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Speaker 1: I'm handing with Amies and this is NFL Players Second

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Speaker 1: Acts Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in. I'm Peanut Tillman and this

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Speaker 2: is the NFL Player Second Acts Podcast. With me is

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Speaker 2: always my guy Roman harbor Water.

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Speaker 3: Why are we laughing? Rome? What's what's the what's so funny?

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Speaker 3: Why he laughing?

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Speaker 2: Account?

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Speaker 3: That was amazing? What's my countdown?

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Speaker 2: It was like ninety seven, one hundred, twenty ten or so.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you just said.

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Speaker 3: It was funny, it was good. This is another thing.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, we are here in the Atlanta iHeart Radio Studios,

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Speaker 2: and of course we have another special guest, Peanuts on

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Speaker 2: a good one. So let's just get into.

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Speaker 3: It all right.

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Speaker 2: This next wentleman, he is the pride of East Oakland.

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Speaker 2: I played linebacker for non NFL seasons. He played with

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Speaker 2: the Panthers, the Bengals, and the forty nine ers. He's

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Speaker 2: now and entrepreneurs will packers as well.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: He's a philanthropist now and he's been very instrum and

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Speaker 2: helping NFL players transition from the NFL to their second act.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the pot. Mister Hannibal

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Speaker 2: navy man.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Thanks for having me, Fellas.

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Speaker 2: When's the last time you got an ovation like that?

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Speaker 3: Man, it's been a minute.

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Speaker 2: Man, wonder I didn't I didn't say that one team

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Speaker 2: because it's that one team. I purposely that was proposely

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Speaker 2: omit that. So you trying to like, don't do that again.

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Speaker 2: There's a method to my man. There's a method to

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Speaker 2: my man. I don't say I don't say that I

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Speaker 2: got you, doctor, I don't say that Green team like

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Speaker 2: he knows how real the hatred is for that Green team.

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Speaker 2: You don't like my team. So it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: It's like you and the Falcons, right, the Falcons. No,

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Speaker 2: but I can say their name like you don't say,

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Speaker 2: we call it the Green team. Fine, Like I'm not arguing.

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Speaker 2: I'll let you guys have that. You guys can do

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Speaker 2: whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: Funny when I went to Green Bay for the played

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Speaker 1: against Green Bay. The year before I went played in

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Speaker 1: Green Bay. We played against them. I was Carolina. I

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Speaker 1: was like, I never played here. I was like, I

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Speaker 1: was like, man, it's cream Bas's I never played. I

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Speaker 1: feel sorry for these cats. Next year I'm in Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: That's just how universe works.

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Speaker 3: Man, fun like that.

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Speaker 2: How did you enjoy your experience?

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Speaker 1: Green Bay was amazing. It was amazing man. You know

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Speaker 1: when you get to go to a football historic football organization.

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Speaker 1: You know, I went from Carolina to Green Bay. So

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Speaker 1: Carolina was fairly new. I got drafted in ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: It was only I think there were ninety five was

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Speaker 1: in the established Yeah, so it's a new organization, didn't

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Speaker 1: to go play for Green Bay, you see the Lombardi

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Speaker 1: history and the fandom around it.

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Speaker 3: It was crazy. Is amazing.

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Speaker 1: You know when you can go to a practice and

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Speaker 3: You know, that's that's a crazy thing.

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Speaker 1: When you get people make their family vacations coming to

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Speaker 1: watch you in training camp, that's crazy, right, So you know,

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Speaker 1: Green Bay it was amazing.

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Speaker 3: Man. I couldn't live there, but it was. It was

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I loved that.

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Speaker 2: They all like on the Jumbo TRN it's like owned

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what what was that again? You what?

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Speaker 2: I owned the Pack?

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Speaker 3: Of Asty said I'm not gonna even tempt that accent.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, I know, I always enjoyed it there, though.

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Speaker 2: How did you manage living in East Oakland as a kid?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 1: East Oakland? Man, I love it, love it, love. I

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Speaker 1: But it was a it was good, man, It was

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Speaker 1: I like the history of Oakland. You know, you go

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Speaker 3: So I grew up.

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Speaker 1: My daddy was African American studies professor. So yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Oakland. That was a good place

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Speaker 1: So I never never turned my back in Oakland. I

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Speaker 1: Growing up in Oakland, it's not you know, all this

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Speaker 1: the grit from that. But yeah, man, I love Oakland

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Speaker 1: too bad. We ain't got no more teams, but I

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Speaker 1: to support the more at Oakland, but besides my damn Warriors,

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Speaker 1: but they went to the Cross. But yeah, man, I

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Speaker 1: it gave me. It's a whole lot of talent though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Kamala, you got Marshawn lynch Amen, Jason Kidd,

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Speaker 2: too short, E forty GP, Gary Payton, Ricky Henderson too short.

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Speaker 2: Oh I got oner twice. Sorry, but yeah, you.

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Speaker 3: Got a lot of people. There's a lot of people

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Speaker 1: Well, my got Kevin Winston, who's who's from Oakland as well,

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Speaker 1: one of my academies. Man, we had so many Oakland

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Speaker 1: it's just a people don't realize how many people from

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Speaker 3: I just get it in.

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Speaker 2: How dope was it for you to go back and

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Speaker 3: How dope was that for you? Man?

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Speaker 1: It was amazing because you know, I started playing football,

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Speaker 3: We was winning championships.

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Speaker 1: So then you fast forward to being able to retire

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Speaker 1: But it was surreal to be able to play for

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Speaker 1: and then being able to come in and be part

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Speaker 3: So I loved it. Man.

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Speaker 2: How would you describe Hannibal Navies as a player? A

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Speaker 3: I was just the you know, come to work, hard,

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Speaker 1: Man. You know, I didn't start playing football to ninth grade,

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Speaker 1: I was able to play nine years, because you could

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Speaker 2: So first off, don't say the special teams because you

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Speaker 3: He has no idea what that's like.

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Speaker 2: You over there appreciate because I see what you're saying, Hannibal,

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Speaker 2: like I feel that he was like, oh yeah, specially

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Speaker 3: Donnay, we get about the old school.

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Speaker 2: He don't know he was the quarterbacks. He's not Oh

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Speaker 2: he was terrible.

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Speaker 3: Like that's not that's not that's good and it's just not.

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Speaker 3: That's what the bullets was flying.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's how casts made the team.

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Speaker 1: That's how they that's how cats would eat, That's how

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Speaker 1: they made the team. How to stay on the team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, man. In my later career, that's how I

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Speaker 3: stay on the team too.

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Speaker 2: Later in my career, they were like, bro, you can't

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Speaker 2: help us know if you're not playing, go ahead and

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Speaker 2: go yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So three of us, we've all had some some some

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Speaker 3: I would say it was just training camp. I wasn't

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Speaker 2: factor in you having a smoother transition or from the game.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say this. I retired in seven and eight.

442
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Speaker 1: The Trust was form in twenty thirteen, so I had

443
00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,120
Speaker 1: been on my transition journey for a while, right.

444
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,480
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so talk about those years.

445
00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,800
Speaker 1: Those years were a man, I'll be here for ever

446
00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,720
Speaker 1: talking about all that. But I mean in a short

447
00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,199
Speaker 1: period of time when you retire, things change, right, you know,

448
00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,720
Speaker 1: relationships change, family dynamics change.

449
00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,000
Speaker 3: You know. I had two young babies.

450
00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,960
Speaker 1: My son was born that that January of my last year,

451
00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,040
Speaker 1: So I got a three year old and a baby baby.

452
00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,159
Speaker 3: I got a wife, and I got to figure.

453
00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,439
Speaker 1: Out how am I going to you know, be the

454
00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,600
Speaker 1: next part that the provider for my family, and you know,

455
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,760
Speaker 1: just a lot, right, just just a lot of new

456
00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,800
Speaker 1: way of life and just got to figure stuff out.

457
00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,840
Speaker 1: You got to figure out how you manage your time.

458
00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:44,720
Speaker 1: You know, we all go through the period of time

459
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Speaker 1: where football comes in, your body's starting to feel like

460
00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,480
Speaker 1: you need to play football, but you're like, you know

461
00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,359
Speaker 1: that that period and then there's a this. For me,

462
00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,840
Speaker 1: I would say there was that I didn't sleep a lot.

463
00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,119
Speaker 1: You know, I would be up all the time, like

464
00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,240
Speaker 1: you know, probably because my mind was thinking about what

465
00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,840
Speaker 1: I need to do, what's next, How'm gonna get their

466
00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,479
Speaker 1: anxiety probably setting in. I went through a divorce, so

467
00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,680
Speaker 1: that that played a role into my transition as well.

468
00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,040
Speaker 1: But you know, for me, I just woke up every

469
00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,240
Speaker 1: day and still with some kind of purpose. That's how

470
00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,160
Speaker 1: my foundation and my business was all around three sixty

471
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,560
Speaker 1: sports academs, around leadship development for young athletes, and so

472
00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,600
Speaker 1: that's something that drove me that I was passionate about

473
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,119
Speaker 1: beyond football. That took me to the next level. So

474
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,280
Speaker 1: I had some mentors that really poured into me in

475
00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,960
Speaker 1: business and gave me some kind of you know, the

476
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,439
Speaker 1: kind of the blueprint of business and gave me resources

477
00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,000
Speaker 1: and office space and just the infrastructure of a business.

478
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,000
Speaker 1: So I was able to go out there and do

479
00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,600
Speaker 1: things at a high level, which helped me tremendously, but

480
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,720
Speaker 1: it was it was a challenge, man, just going through

481
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,199
Speaker 1: through all the stuff that I'm sure you guys know

482
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,080
Speaker 1: about and transition and financial part right understanding, Like people

483
00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,439
Speaker 1: think that you know, yeah, we got money, you got

484
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:49,879
Speaker 1: investments and all that kind of stuff. But the day

485
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,640
Speaker 1: that you retire everything that you're doing, you're digging into

486
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:53,119
Speaker 1: your savings.

487
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,639
Speaker 3: Mean you know, you're, yeah, your burn rate.

488
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,639
Speaker 1: Like so if you you know, if you got a

489
00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,879
Speaker 1: burn rate to fifteen a month, you just stopped getting paid,

490
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,439
Speaker 1: you're still pulling that fifteen from somewhere, right, So you know,

491
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 1: I hated the narrative of especially when I worked at

492
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 1: the PA, everybody thinking that you know, outside when that

493
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 1: especially when that thing came out broke with thirty thirty

494
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,119
Speaker 1: thirty for thirty things, and that everybody's just as a

495
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 1: former player lose their money because they're just frivolous with

496
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,879
Speaker 1: their money, which is not the case, right, People just

497
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 1: living life, trying to make things work and trying to

498
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,719
Speaker 1: figure that out after football, and if anybody got, let

499
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,360
Speaker 1: what their job and had no you know, and that's

500
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 1: how they had to take their money. I mean, that's

501
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 1: how it worked for a doctor or anybody, right, So

502
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 1: we're no different. So it was a challenge. But I

503
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,159
Speaker 1: what kept my guide in life was just being passionate

504
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 1: about something, being passion about giving back to young athletes,

505
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 1: and being passionate about taking about what I knew in

506
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,119
Speaker 1: my career and playing college and the NFL career and

507
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 1: giving that back so that people have a smoother kind

508
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 1: of I guess transitioned th I did.

509
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 2: With your experience with you know, the trust and helping

510
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,919
Speaker 2: players help them with their transition. Why do you think

511
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 2: we struggle during transition?

512
00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 1: Everybody's different, But I would say the the biggest thing

513
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 1: that I saw was just you got to understand some

514
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 1: of these guys been playing since a six years old,

515
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 1: and so when you're playing something, investing in something that much,

516
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 1: it's like a loss, right, So they equate it to

517
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 1: like a loss of a human being, like a loss

518
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 1: like you grieving. So there's grievings going on, right. So

519
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 1: if you're grieving and you don't address that grievance, and

520
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 1: you're just grieving and grieving and grieving, but you don't

521
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 1: understand that you are grieving. You don't understand how to

522
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 1: get out of your grieving. Like that turns into other things,

523
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 1: and some people struggle with identity, some people struggle financially.

524
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: Is it depends on where you are, but it really

525
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 1: comes from just like I said that, the part of

526
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: being a part of something so enormous as the NFL, right,

527
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: and then that goes away. The NFL was huge, Like

528
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 1: the NFL is like this big enormous mountain that we've

529
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 1: climbed and we were successful at. So some people struggle

530
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 1: and say, so, I say I retired at thirty years

531
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 1: I did retire at thirty years old. I've played nine

532
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: years and retired at thirty. I'm so young at thirty.

533
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 3: But some people struggle with this. Was that the best

534
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 3: part of my life?

535
00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 2: You know?

536
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 3: So say you, I'm thirty years old and I got

537
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 3: a lot of lives to live.

538
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: Am I saying that I'm never going to reach anything

539
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: to this magnitude ever again? Then it gives people, you know,

540
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: they looking in the review all the time like I

541
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 1: used to be this, I used to be that. And

542
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 1: then I also think it's an opportunity you know, some

543
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 1: people struggle with Like I said, I talked about the

544
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 1: identity thing, like some people struggle with who they are

545
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: after football and how to present themselves at the football.

546
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 1: You know. I know a lot of people, you know,

547
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: they present themselves as good like we are the exterior,

548
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: like when they're done, like I'm good, I'm doing this

549
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 1: and I'm doing that.

550
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 3: But a lot of people that don't know.

551
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: You know, one of the questions I learned not to

552
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: ask a former a transition athletes like what you're doing now,

553
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 1: because they don't know yet, and it gives them, It

554
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: gives them a pausitive. It makes them feel uncomfortable or

555
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: and secure about themselves as well. So that's something I

556
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: learned to just massage and understand what people doing in

557
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: different ways. But yeah, those are some things men. I

558
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: think that all play a role. I don't think there's

559
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: one thing that people struggle. I think it is a

560
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: multitude of things. But it really just comes from that

561
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 1: that game is so big for us and our identity

562
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: was tied up in that from a young age, and

563
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 1: you we give so much of that game when it's gone,

564
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: what are you giving people trying to find that exact

565
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: feeling that we had football, and I don't know if

566
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: we can ever find that.

567
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 2: I don't think we can find them. I just think

568
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 2: you have. You bring up great points just about the

569
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 2: whole transition process. Clearly you've talked to a lot of guys,

570
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: and it's not just football. I think a lot of

571
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: other people. We don't say this enough either, because we

572
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 2: don't give ourselves grace much at all. Is that when

573
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: rock stars or musicians and all them that had one

574
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: hit Wonders and they've been on top of the world,

575
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden they not booking those shows,

576
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 2: they go through the same things, absolutely, the same thing,

577
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: same exactly. We just don't hear about them as much.

578
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 2: And we because we're not in the same circle. But

579
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 2: people that hang around them or have been around these

580
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 2: guys or these girls, this is what it is. And

581
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: so I think that happens to everybody. And it's very

582
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: unique for football players because we have been put on

583
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: this pedal store, elevated to this level because of our

584
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: unique talents since we were however old we were, whether

585
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 2: it's ninth grade or like meal, I was in fourth grade,

586
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 2: I was eleven years old, twelve years old and or

587
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: maybe younger than that. That's an old fourth grader. But anyways,

588
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 2: he's a fourth grader since but whatever that age is.

589
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: But that's all you we know and every August, all

590
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,239
Speaker 2: we're doing is preparing to get back in that that

591
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: season for twenty something years of your life and the

592
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 2: whole time, when you get to thirty years old in

593
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 2: your job, they tell you how old you are, and

594
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 2: then the moment you leave outside of those doors, you're

595
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 2: like the youngest man in the room, and it's such

596
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: a unique dynamic.

597
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: For me.

598
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 2: That was the biggest takeaway was that when I left

599
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 2: the doors of an NFL locker room, everybody could ok

600
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 2: this that how old I am? Old school triple og

601
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 2: da da da da da. Then I get outside in

602
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: the real world and I'm the youngest dude in the room.

603
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 1: That's so true. Call me old head at thirty. I'm

604
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: in the locker room like, oh head, and I'm like thirty.

605
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's exactly right, that's true.

606
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, calling you og your rookie year,

607
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: though it was calling your rookie year. He looked the camera,

608
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: I'm looking right there. That's that's how room looked his

609
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: rookie year. I did not have the beers, but I

610
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: did have the gray hair. He looked the same. But

611
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: all those things happened, right, and so us having to

612
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: deal with that, I think is just so unique. And

613
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: so how we continue to talk about these experiences and

614
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 2: share them. I think it's very important that uh, you

615
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: continue to do your work because I think it really

616
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: does help, and then you allow us to have more

617
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 2: more grace and for others to be.

618
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: Doing it as well.

619
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: And then hearing how you speak about it, it just

620
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 2: really just makes me like, man, we are doing the

621
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: right thing for sure. Did you receive the title though?

622
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: When it was like hey, o aog a old school?

623
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: When I was playing no Now. When I was playing,

624
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, y'all, no, Nah, I couldn't do it.

625
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: I ain't feel like I was old. I ain't feel

626
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: like I was older at all. So when they said that,

627
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: I was like, they didn't take it as like a

628
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: When they were telling me they was I'm not taking

629
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: it as a compliment.

630
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: They were like old school man, like this is like nah, man, that's.

631
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: How I feel. When Trey was like he used to

632
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: call me on and I was just like, oh, og,

633
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, what you talking about? Og Brom You're thirteen,

634
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: Like this is what we do, Like it's I'm still

635
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 2: starting at thirty in my thirteen season, Like I'm still starting,

636
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: Like what you're talking about?

637
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: We got dog gears in football though, man? Yeah, yes,

638
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: dog years in football.

639
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 3: Man. We're going to take a short break and we'll

640
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 3: be right back.

641
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: I want to know about some of your your current ventures.

642
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: Your vice president of Development for Athletes Charitable, you're also

643
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: the founder of three sixty Sports Academy and uh and

644
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're still doing it, but we

645
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: talked about it earlier podcast that you and Charlie Batch started,

646
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: who's also another partner in your other business as well. Sure,

647
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 2: So I'll start with and your podcast is called Giving Legend,

648
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 2: Giving Legends, So I start talked to a lot of

649
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 2: similar simulation.

650
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'll talk start with three sixty first. That's my

651
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: foundation and my and my business. And like I said,

652
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: that started, I started forming that. My first three saxty

653
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: Sports Academy was in twenty ten at Georgia Tech, and

654
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: I did it it grow. It was something that pilot

655
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: of mine that I did. I would said how can

656
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: I recreate a training camp type atmosphere for these junsters

657
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: so they know, speaking of that training camp, right we

658
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Speaker 1: talked about earlier. I wanted to replicate that and tell

659
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Speaker 1: to show them how intense it was, not just from

660
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Speaker 1: the athletic party, but we sit in classrooms a lot

661
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Speaker 1: going through all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Right, So I gave.

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Speaker 1: Him a sad real Right, So it's for five days

664
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Speaker 1: at Georgia Tech in the classroom, but we weren't doing

665
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Speaker 1: extras in classroom. We were doing SAT prep, we were

666
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Speaker 1: doing financial literacy, we were doing social media. I mean,

667
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Speaker 1: we had experts coming in to the class, so they

668
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Speaker 1: would practice two two thous a day and they sitting there.

669
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Speaker 1: You go to the whole thing with people, Noah, and

670
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Speaker 1: I was making wake up. We're doing nutrition. So it

671
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Speaker 1: was it was really cool to do that. And I

672
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Speaker 1: actually what made me fall in love with that because

673
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Speaker 1: I put my all into something to make that event

674
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Speaker 1: or that program go off the right way and took

675
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Speaker 1: so many moving parts and it was successful and I

676
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Speaker 1: actually saw a change in these young men and that

677
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Speaker 1: that was like that drove me that From that point,

678
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Speaker 1: I was like, I've never stopped doing this, right, I'm

679
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Speaker 1: gonna continue to do this forever. So it was it

680
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Speaker 1: was amazing see transformation in young men in sports in

681
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Speaker 1: five days, and not just on the field, which we

682
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Speaker 1: can do with real coaching, but I'm talking about coaching

683
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Speaker 1: in the classroom. I saw, you know, young men that

684
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Speaker 1: were like, I wasn't even thinking about going to cause

685
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Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about talk taking SAT and they're like,

686
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Speaker 1: that's my you know, that's my priority.

687
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Speaker 3: It's what I want to do.

688
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Speaker 1: And their parents were pouring back and saying they've changed

689
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Speaker 1: kids and they want to have different motivations. So that

690
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Speaker 1: was that was three sixty continue to do that. Ray

691
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Speaker 1: Lewis was like, you know, one of my biggest partners

692
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Speaker 1: in champions early on, helped me grow through sixty early on,

693
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Speaker 1: So that was that's what drove me. That's when I

694
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Speaker 1: went to the PA. From there, But then after I

695
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Speaker 1: left the PA and started working for a company vice

696
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Speaker 1: president called United Charitable, Athletes Charitable's division of United Charitable

697
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Speaker 1: that I helped create really with the premise of, you know,

698
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Speaker 1: I believe in philanthropy, I believe in giving back, and

699
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Speaker 1: I believe that athletes have a unique platform to do so,

700
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Speaker 1: and if they're given the right tools, they can they

701
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Speaker 1: can make a big difference. They can money, have a

702
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Speaker 1: whole bunch of impact and do things that they never

703
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Speaker 1: thought they do. And it's a business, right, And I

704
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: try to get these athletes understand, like philanthropy is a

705
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Speaker 1: business and it should be.

706
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Speaker 3: It's the business business that's built around your brand.

707
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Speaker 1: Ain't nothing better than that, right, So, you know, took

708
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Speaker 1: over that role and really built out of the vision

709
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Speaker 1: that that built all the resources around helping professional athletes

710
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Speaker 1: entertainers start and run sustain their foundations and through not

711
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Speaker 1: starting their own five on and C three. They're called

712
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Speaker 1: fiscal sponsor program. So that's something we'll talk about another day.

713
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Speaker 1: But the ficial sponsor program is an alternative to starting

714
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Speaker 1: a five O one C three And that's what we

715
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Speaker 1: do so we're able to help them. It's basically a

716
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Speaker 1: turnkey foundation, right. So basically a ficial sponsor program allows

717
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Speaker 1: them to do everything that you be able to do

718
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Speaker 1: with the five on C three, except we're the ones

719
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Speaker 1: in the back end doing all the taxes, compliance, administration, legal,

720
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Speaker 1: I mean, we do all that stuff so that all

721
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Speaker 1: they have to do is focus on their mission and

722
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: their passion and go out there and do that for athletes.

723
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Speaker 1: That's all we want to do because yeah, because we

724
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: make so many mistakes. I mean, you take some of

725
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Speaker 1: the athletes in the NFL that get Man of the

726
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Speaker 1: Year and this and that, and they still get articles

727
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: written about them like they're not complying, they're not this.

728
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Speaker 1: They and do their taxes with their foundation. Where's the

729
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: money going, right, that's our job. Excuse me, that's our

730
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Speaker 1: job to make sure that they are complying and the

731
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Speaker 1: money's going where it's supposed to go and all that

732
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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So they get to have up and

733
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Speaker 1: running foundation and raise money all over the country without

734
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Speaker 1: having to get licenses and insurance and things like that.

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Speaker 3: So that's what we do. So we just make philanthropy easy.

736
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Speaker 3: I like that. That's dope.

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Speaker 2: I kind of ran into some situation like that. I

738
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Speaker 2: was working on a program and you know, an article

739
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Speaker 2: came out and said I wasn't doing something. It was like, well, no, no,

740
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Speaker 2: that's the company. Like I was doing this, but the

741
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Speaker 2: company that manages this, they were doing that. And then

742
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Speaker 2: it I think, you do you do us a good

743
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Speaker 2: service because you're trying to protect the athlete from having

744
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Speaker 2: their name associated with someone doing.

745
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Speaker 3: Best someone doing bad.

746
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Speaker 1: And so we have we manage over two hundred million

747
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Speaker 1: dollars in charitable assets and so we have like six

748
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Speaker 1: hundred programs under this, so we have we do it

749
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Speaker 1: at a high level. We do it for big companies

750
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Speaker 1: like cheese Ka Factories. So it's not just athletes that

751
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Speaker 1: need help, right, it's right Cheesecase factories, this multimnion dot

752
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: company and they come this and say we need help

753
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Speaker 1: to do this where we want to get back, we

754
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Speaker 1: want to do this. Help us figure out how how

755
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Speaker 1: to do that, make it easy for us. So when

756
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: you help a company chief factory, he can also help athletes.

757
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: And when we got Stefan Diggs AJ Brown, we have

758
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Speaker 1: you know, we have.

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Speaker 3: A DJ reader.

760
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Speaker 1: We got guys that are actually making an impact because

761
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Speaker 1: we made it easy for them just to go in

762
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Speaker 1: there and do so we keep them compliant. So it's

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Speaker 1: been it's been good. I'm really passionate guy, as you

764
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Speaker 1: can tell, because I really think that's something. It's what

765
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: helped me transition right without three sixty, I don't think

766
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Speaker 1: I would be here today in front of you guys.

767
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Speaker 1: It helped me, like I said, it got me up

768
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Speaker 1: every day with a purpose and and let me transcend

769
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Speaker 1: to my next level. So if I can pass that

770
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Speaker 1: on and let young athletes do that in the right

771
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Speaker 1: way and keep the comply and maximize and the maximize

772
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Speaker 1: the network and all these different things, that's that's really

773
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Speaker 1: you know, a good thing for me. So that's a

774
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: spin off to you know, we started to give in

775
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: Legends podcast. Charlie Batch is a good friend of mine,

776
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: but I brought him on board also as a strategic

777
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: advisor for Athletes Charitable because he's doing some amazing stuff

778
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: in philanthropy and Pittsburgh. So his his guidance and talking

779
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: to these young young athletes as well, because I wanted

780
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Speaker 1: a mentorship layer, well layer of it as well. I

781
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: just want to say here, figure it out. I want

782
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: to be able to also add the layer of mentorship

783
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: as a professional athlete and all that kind of stuff.

784
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Speaker 1: And so we started giving Legends, and we wanted to

785
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: highlight uh, people who commit to giving back consistently and

786
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: all the time. Right because we're not a lot of

787
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: podcasts now or not, they're they're very like, they're not

788
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: as positive as we would liking to be right, So

789
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to highlight it's clickbait.

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00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: It's clickbait.

791
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: So they want to say something crazy, But ours is

792
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: let's focus on the people that are doing it good.

793
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: You know, we get the warri donees on there and

794
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: different people like that talking to them about what do

795
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Speaker 1: you do?

796
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Speaker 3: How do you do it?

797
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: So that the young athlete can say, okay, man, he

798
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: made that mistake or here's how he did it, or

799
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Speaker 1: here's what I can do and here you know, give

800
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Speaker 1: access to Billy, giving back and put it in their

801
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Speaker 1: mind that they can really do it.

802
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Speaker 3: So it's just creating that legacy off of the field. Man.

803
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: You know, we all have a legacy in football, but

804
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: what is our we call legends. We're legends, right, that's

805
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: what we're all part of the NFL legends. But what

806
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: is that legend off the field? What is that legacy?

807
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: Were creating off the field. So that's really what we created. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we're giving legends and athletes charitable.

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Speaker 2: I love it all and I don't mean to make

810
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: a joke about this, but the reason why you gotta

811
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Speaker 2: help the restaurant you just said, cheese cheesecake factory because

812
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Speaker 2: they they can't put it together their menu too big, dog,

813
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Speaker 2: they got huge?

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Speaker 3: It's huge.

815
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Speaker 2: What kind of what kind of what kind of what

816
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Speaker 2: kind of restaurant is a cheesecake factory? What are they?

817
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: Are they a state?

818
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: Are they?

819
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: Are they Italian? Are they Asian? It's the one question

820
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Speaker 2: that nobody has the answer to.

821
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Speaker 1: So when you go there, it's as big as the

822
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Speaker 1: menu is. Do you get the same thing your time

823
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Speaker 1: or do you change.

824
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Speaker 2: It that I ain't been a cheesecake so long, I do.

825
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: I try to just get the same thing because, like

826
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Speaker 2: I know what, I've through the pages like me, I

827
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Speaker 2: feel like everybody does that. They go through like I mean,

828
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Speaker 2: you get to page eight and you're like, dude, like

829
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Speaker 2: they can't be that everything.

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Speaker 3: Let me just get a popcorn shrimp, Like.

831
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just do the buffalo chicken.

832
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Speaker 3: That's what I do. All right?

833
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: Sorry I got off, got off subject, but that just

834
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Speaker 2: couldn't let that go.

835
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Speaker 3: All right?

836
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: You listen to me and then you respond, okay, all right, yep. Quote.

837
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: I envisioned my career in philanthropy being even more special

838
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: than my career in the NFL. Professional sports careers are pleading,

839
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: but the impact I'm able to create through my roles

840
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: as United Charitable Athletes, Charitable and three sixty Sports Academy

841
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: can live on forever. How you feel like you're doing

842
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: get that goal.

843
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm on my journey. I'm you know,

844
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 1: we football players, So I never feel like I'm complete

845
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: version of myself here or where I want to be

846
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: and that quote, But I am on my journey. I

847
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: am passing. It's not just about the impact that Hannibal

848
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: Navies can make. But if I am empowering you know,

849
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: other athletes to do that stuff, imagine you know, the

850
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: tentacles that we're creating. I'm not just myself in my

851
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: community in Oakland or my community in Lanta. But if

852
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: I'm empowering hundreds of athletes to do the same thing,

853
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: We're powering communities throughout the country. So that's my legacy.

854
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: That's what I love about. And I think I'm on

855
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: my way there. I'm making an impact, uh these athletes,

856
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: and it's not just me making this pact. It's impact

857
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: through them. Right, So it's not like I said, it's

858
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: not about Hannibal Navy. It's about empowering these professional athletes

859
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: and these entertainers to do their own stuff. Because and

860
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: getting them to think about it as a business as

861
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: opposed to just this thing that I'm doing on the side.

862
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: But look at your you know, foundations have p and

863
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: l's and spreadsheets and you got to have you got

864
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: to have all the infrastructure of a business. And sometimes

865
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: they don't run this business because it's not thought of

866
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 1: that way, and I think that's a big mistake.

867
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Speaker 3: So yeah, man, I think, you know, just.

868
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: Educating a lot of a lot of what I do

869
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: is just educating them, Like I just sit here and

870
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Speaker 1: talk to you about fiscal sponsor program.

871
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 3: Did y'all even know that that's something that existed?

872
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: No? Right, So that's what, right, So half of my

873
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: job is educating them on what that even is and

874
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: how it's beneficial for them as an athlete or and

875
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: just in general, and getting them to understand that before

876
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: they can go take the next step. So just educating

877
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: them and doing that So I love and I feel

878
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: like with that quote, I am empowering people. So the

879
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: legacy will go on because these these you know that

880
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: that is sustainable, right, you can create a sustainable foundation

881
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: now and go away, But NFL career is not sustainable, right,

882
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: that's going to end at some point. So trying to

883
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: create that legacy off the field is something that I'm

884
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: on the way to doing.

885
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 2: So my pops or my parents are the reason I

886
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: am what I am today, Specifically my pops. You know,

887
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: my dad was in the military and kind of like

888
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 2: one of the guests we had earlier, like I wanted

889
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: to be in the military because my dad was the military.

890
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: You know, my dad taught me work hard and through

891
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: that military structure, I learned a lot from that. If

892
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: I were to give you Mount Rushmore and for people

893
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: to put on this Mount Rushmore of greatness or Mount

894
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: Rushmore of helping animal navies get to where he is

895
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: right now, who would those four people be?

896
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: First? Too easy, moms and pops? Yeah, first, too easy.

897
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: My father was.

898
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: He passed away when I was thirteen from leukemia. But

899
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: he was such a such a big figure in my

900
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: life and big figure in the community. Like I said,

901
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: he was an advocate, He was a you know, he's

902
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: an advocate and social advocate and Africanmanic stuge teacher and

903
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: in the community. So he was like a local celebrity

904
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: to me and out there because everybody knew him and

905
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: went him for that and He had students that came

906
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: through that to this day say oh you missed they

907
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: hear my name names, they're like you missed the Navy

908
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 1: sogn So his impact was huge and it was huge

909
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: on me, even at thirteen years old. My mother always

910
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: been influenced. She took the time when he passed away

911
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: and just continued to pour into me. She still continues

912
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: to pour into me. So without her continued guidance, I

913
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here. The third one would be a man

914
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: named Johnny Shiveley. He's a person had none to do

915
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: with football or anything like that. I met him later

916
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: in my life after football, but he became a catalyst.

917
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: He was a businessman.

918
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: He became a catalyst and be one of my main

919
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: mentors that allowed me to take my STPs man and

920
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: gave me guidance and gave me the confidence to do

921
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: business and different things and and just poured into me

922
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: and we became like brothers. And so he was super

923
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: important to my transition. And he owned Linux Financial.

924
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 3: He no longer owns it.

925
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: I think he sold it, but he on Linux Financial

926
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: was at the time was like one of the number one,

927
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: number two mortgage firms in the country. So he you know,

928
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: he's he was kicking butt for a lot of years

929
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: and doing a lot of good things. And he just,

930
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: you know, I just met him and just started asking

931
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: him questions. And that's why I tell people young stereos

932
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: all the time, just ask somebody question. They're willing to

933
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: help you out if you asked questions to come in

934
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: with that kind of attitude. So he was just started

935
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: from one meeting and I'm like, could you give me

936
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: some insight? I just want to get this, and I

937
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: was writing stuff down. Then turned from that to just

938
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: like he saw I was serious and became a major

939
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: catalyst in who I was and who invested in me.

940
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: Gave me, like I said, infrastructure, he gave me office

941
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: space like he has a whole bunch office space so

942
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: in Linux.

943
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, man, he was.

944
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: He was influential. Trying to figure out how my fourth

945
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: for one would be. I don't know, man, I don't know.

946
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: I would just have to say, I don't know if

947
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: it's one person, but oh, I would have to say

948
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: my brother.

949
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have two brothers and a sister.

950
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: But my brother, Robert, Robert was somebody that's been on

951
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: my journey with me. He came, you know, came me

952
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: to college. He went to college in Colorado. He came,

953
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: he went drafted to Charlotte. He came to Charlotte, and

954
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: he's still here in Atlanta. You know, he's been a

955
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: person that's just been somebody, you know, somebody you always

956
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: can trust, no matter where you environment. You raise at

957
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: least I know I one person that I can truslate,

958
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I got one person that I

959
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: can go to and truest and that you know is

960
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: going to show up for you. Right, So I would say,

961
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: big bro, big bro for sure.

962
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: All Right, Yeah, man, we appreciate you. You're on the

963
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: hot seat.

964
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 3: I'm off the high See it was a hot seat.

965
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: I feel like it was a post.

966
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 2: It wasn't that hot.

967
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 3: I don't think it was that hot.

968
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: I mean you were great.

969
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

970
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: Man, hot and you had one truly truly amazing question.

971
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. When you were locked, you give me one.

972
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: I mean I thought I was locked in the old Town,

973
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: but he gave me one.

974
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 3: I'll take you.

975
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: I thought it was a tough period. I'm like, oh

976
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: that was all right. Anyways, Well, Hannibal, thank you for

977
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: pouring into us. Brother, I appreciate it making to pour

978
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: into other for sure, for other athletes need to hear

979
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: their story. I wrote something down that I thought was amazing,

980
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: and that was to try. And you said you try

981
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: and stay away from asking former players what are you

982
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: doing now? And I used to run away from that

983
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: question when it was asked to me. I'd get nervous.

984
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: I say, oh, I'm kind of and now I no

985
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: longer do that. I try and stand up on my

986
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: own two feet and be prideful and whatever it is

987
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: that I'm doing, because it's just the next chapter in

988
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: my life. And so I would encourage others to try

989
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: and do that same thing that Hey like the same

990
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: pride we took and whatever we were doing in our

991
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 2: job of football, you just take that same attitude and pride.

992
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: It transitions over to everything else in life.

993
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: I know we ended up, but that's probably my story

994
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: where I felt like I thrived in because I just

995
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: didn't care like telling people.

996
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: Sometimes you like what you're doing, Like I said, if.

997
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing, like you know what,

998
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm figuring it out, but I think I'm going in

999
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: this direction. But I was staying on my square and

1000
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: then I wasn't ashamed about it. So there's a there's

1001
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: this like thing where some of us is athletes to

1002
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: retire from football and we were ashamed of it.

1003
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: Like why are you ashamed?

1004
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: Because you know in football like it's a it's part

1005
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: of the journey, right, So you shouldn't be a shamed.

1006
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: You accomplshed amazing things and you made it to one

1007
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 1: percent of the people that could play in the NFL.

1008
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: So that is something you could take with you. But

1009
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: for me, when I did know something, I wull say

1010
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing. When I did, and I said,

1011
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I'm doing right, and say are

1012
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: you still playing now? I'm a free agent or I'm

1013
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: not this Some people say I'm a free agent when

1014
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: they really retired, right. So for me, I'm like, oh,

1015
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm done, Like I'm done, And it mentally put me

1016
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: in a different box mentally to handle what was in

1017
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: front of me is supposed to lying to myself and

1018
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: lying to other people. Because living with a lie, that's

1019
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: how you start up here. When you're looking in the

1020
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: mirror and you lie to yourself, that's when it starts

1021
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: up here. So I think for me, unconsciously, I was

1022
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: just one of the people who was just staying on

1023
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: my square and be at it, but I didn't realize

1024
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: it was helping me transition, just like you saw.

1025
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: What we alluded to the earl. I don't think we

1026
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: show ourselves enough grace, sure, because it's just it's I

1027
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: think it's the competitor in us and we just got

1028
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: to show ourselves more grace like. That's I think that's

1029
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: also really the key, showing yourself grace.

1030
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 3: I agree.

1031
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna grace us up out of here. Thank

1032
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: you to all of our listeners and viewers out there.

1033
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: Wherever you pick up your podcast, make sure you give

1034
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: us five star rating review, follow click uh sure like,

1035
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: subscribe yeah, and give us a give us like, but

1036
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: then you're going to check us out on the NFL's

1037
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: YouTube channel. That is where we're at nowadays as well,

1038
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: wherever that is. iHeartRadio Apple Podcasts. Thanks for always tune in.

1039
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: Man tell a friend to tell a friend to do

1040
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: what Peanut tell a friend, go Man, get us up.

1041
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: I'm Peanut, that's wrong, that's Hannibal. This is the NFL

1042
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 2: Players second XT podcast. We appreciate you off for tuning

1043
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: in it. We are.

1044
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:06,800
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1045
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: Structu