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Speaker 1: Crime and hello social salutes, Internet detectives, crime junkies, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Real Time Crime. I'm one of your host

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Speaker 1: Lea Lamar, and I have with me my wonderful co host,

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Speaker 1: Teddy Melanki, and of course our producer who we let

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Speaker 1: speak sometimes, Dmitri Pappas. Now is not one of those times. Today.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be discussing the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict, a few

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving related cases because happy Thanksgiving everyone, and the use

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Speaker 1: of a cobra to cover up a murder, and one

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Speaker 1: case very close to Teddy's heart, and I'll let Teddy

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Speaker 1: speak to that case, but we will be covering that

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Speaker 1: recent tragedy as well, and Teddy, Dmitri Happy Thanksgiving. I

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Speaker 1: hope you guys have plans. I'm not going home for

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving this year because while I love my only I

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Speaker 1: don't want to commit murder. God, this is being like

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Speaker 1: I said, I don't want to So, yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: she's being polite to them. You don't want to have

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Speaker 1: to go there? No, I don't want to be the

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Speaker 1: subject of one of our episodes. Does this mean you're

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Speaker 1: looking for someplace to spend Thanksgiving? Teddy? Um, are you

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Speaker 1: wanting to come over with all of my kids. I

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Speaker 1: was actually looking for some additional help. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think I might make a great babysitter. Um well,

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Speaker 1: nothing screams the holidays like crying the amount of research doing,

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Speaker 1: you know, going into this week, because I feel like

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Speaker 1: this week is so high on crime, like more than most.

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Speaker 1: I really do think it's because people are triggered by

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Speaker 1: their families and then create crime immediately after spending time

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Speaker 1: with their family. I mean, in my in my personal opinion,

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Speaker 1: spending twenty minutes with my parents over some asparagus. I

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Speaker 1: can't say the thought of me cooking creates more crime

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Speaker 1: thoughts in my head or wanting to whenever I want

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Speaker 1: to avoid something. I researched crime, so I would imagine

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Speaker 1: if I was a criminal person, having the stress of

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Speaker 1: the holidays coming up really maybe make me want to

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Speaker 1: go for it. I like the thing that calms you

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Speaker 1: down is researching crime. I was up to one a

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Speaker 1: m last night and I'm like, I can't. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: because which gets us into the first case, Which did

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Speaker 1: you guys watch Escape from a House of Horror? On

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Speaker 1: Diane sawyer about the Turpin sisters. Yes, I one, there

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Speaker 1: was thirteen kids in a home, their entire life shackled

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Speaker 1: The only way that they started realizing the outside world

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Speaker 1: was through Justin Bieber, by the way like hate giving

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Speaker 1: him any more credit than he's already gotten. But but

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Speaker 1: Jordan was saying that, you know, she finally got access

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Speaker 1: seeing that, like her life wasn't normal because she had

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Speaker 1: absolutely no idea that the life, the hell that she

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Speaker 1: such a heartbreaking story. And you know, they planned for

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Speaker 1: Like this didn't happen one time. You did this thirteen

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Speaker 1: That's the first thing I thought when I heard. I

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Speaker 1: make parallels to cases that I didn't think we're connected,

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Speaker 1: And well it's not actually me, it's I'm just the

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Speaker 1: also going to confiscate those stacks of notebooks you've been

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Real Time Crime with Leo Lamar, Teddy

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Speaker 1: Mellon Camp and Dmitri Pappas. Sometimes we have a very

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Speaker 1: special guest with us today. This is Natalie Weaver. She

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Speaker 1: they're divorced. I think should be finalized in a few days.

426
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: So is there anything you want people to know about

427
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 1: the situation that we might not already know or might

428
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: not have heard. Um, I mean, I think there's a lot. Um.

429
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: Chad and Kyle have known each other for a really, really,

430
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: really long time. UM. They kind of ran in the

431
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: same group. UM. Macy, who was Chad's nineteen year old daughter,

432
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: used to babysit his one of his older boys. Um,

433
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's it's just awful. And Chad is just

434
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean, if you know him, he's just he everybody

435
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: loves him and he is never like I never, nobody

436
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: ever feels threatened by him. Um, I mean I don't.

437
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: It's just it's just insane to me. It's just crazy.

438
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: And there was no physical altercation, no physical alternation. Yeah,

439
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: and and that's a like the lembic pd UM in

440
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: their statements, all of it's wrong. It all says that

441
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 1: Chad was having a verbal altercation with Kyle and then

442
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: it got physical and then shots were fired. And plus

443
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: this whole thing was about his son. He didn't know

444
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: where his son was. The whole reason he was there

445
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: right correct, was to get his son. So it's like

446
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: someone comes out, You're not gonna just run because they

447
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: come out with a gun because you're leaving your son

448
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 1: in that situation. Well, and that that's exactly he had.

449
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: He didn't know if his son was there or not.

450
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: You know, he still doesn't know, and so you know,

451
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: Christina just keeps saying like I wanted to see him,

452
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: like I'll go get him and you can have him

453
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: at six And it just did not need to happen.

454
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: It did not instillate to that. And did you guys

455
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: ever find out where his son was at the time? Yes,

456
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: he was at Christina's mom's house. So it wasn't even

457
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: like she was spending time with him anyway. No, yeah,

458
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: she she said, um, or sorry, I just lost my headphone. Um,

459
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: she yes, she was. He was at Christina's or Christina's

460
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: mom's house and so and so I was like, why

461
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: didn't you just tell me that, you know, I would

462
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: have gone to Christina's house and gotten him, Like, I

463
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: don't care where he was. She was sign to pretend

464
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: that she was spending time with her with her child,

465
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: to try to look like a good parent allegedly. Whatever. Right, So,

466
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: how for people that are listening that want to get

467
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: involved and want to share this story and get justice,

468
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: what should they do? Um? Honestly, just share a TikTok video,

469
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: post on Twitter, post on any social media channels you can. Um,

470
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: if you know people, um that can you know? Do whatever?

471
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: I mean at this point, any help is great help. Um,

472
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: I mean the TikTok And where do they find you? Um?

473
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: The TikTok is Madison luscom. Um, I think let me

474
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: make sure. Um, yeah, Madison fay Luscom is the TikTok

475
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: that it's on. It's also online which is Natalie Underscore

476
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: Weaver and that is also where you can find me

477
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Um. I shared kind of the full story

478
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: or not the full story, but a kind of a

479
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: quick version of it on my stories and I'm going

480
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: to say that to a highlight too. Um. But there's

481
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: several TikTok videos out there. Honestly, if you search Justice

482
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: for Chad um a lot of them pop up and

483
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So, oh my gosh, Well, thank you

484
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: so much for coming on. Thank you guys and your

485
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: brother and that we're praying for them, and you know you,

486
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I have to tell you you're so strong too,

487
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: because I know that you and your sister aren't. Like

488
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: I still talk to you guys every day. You're like,

489
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: it's beyond on me. So you know, we just know.

490
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: I think you have hope that justices serves soon. No,

491
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: thank you so much, we appreciate that, and thank you

492
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: so much for you know, giving me this platform we

493
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: come talk about it. Um. It means the world to us. So,

494
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: like I said, we're just trying to spread the word

495
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: and help get justice for him. So thank you so much, Na.

496
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: Thank you guys, Natalie, you so vulnerable and everyone, just

497
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: a reminder hashtag justice for Chad. Make your TikTok videos

498
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: post on Twitter. Let's get some awareness around it. Thank

499
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: you Natalie. Awesome, Thank you guys. All right, so are

500
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: we going to a quick break? I guess we should

501
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: do a quick break. Let's go to a quick break, regroup,

502
00:28:43,880 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: have a breath, come back and talk about some Thanksgiving altercations. Hello, everyone,

503
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: welcome back to Real Time Crime. It's us your three

504
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: favorite nut jobs. Like you didn't even use your real

505
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: Time boys. Hi. You know, I'm just still living in

506
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: how heavy the last segment was. That was. I mean,

507
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: I can't wrap my head around all that evidence, all

508
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: this and the guy hasn't even been brought in, Like

509
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: there's video evidence. It's mind blowing. I mean, I am

510
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: the big world's biggest skeptics. So of course when I

511
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: read the story, like I always go to like try

512
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: to see both signs, but there's video evidence. I mean, unbelievable.

513
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: I don't want this episode to necessarily be called Kyle's

514
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: with Guns, but I do think it's time for us

515
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: to just really quickly discuss Kyle Rittenhouse. True, look at

516
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: bid two cases together. Look at you. My girls all

517
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: grows up. I mean, my alternate tile title was way worse.

518
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna let you guys know that was the

519
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: PP version. It took me a manage to get it.

520
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, is this a joke? What's happening here? Well,

521
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: I honestly, I'm going to be real with you guys.

522
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: I would rather talk about the other cases that we

523
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: have because they are Thanksgiving related and one is not

524
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving related. But you know this is mostly a sentence,

525
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: is that Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted. He was found not

526
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: guilty on all counts, all counts, all account of possessing

527
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: a deadly weapon, like the account of endangering people, showing

528
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: up at a place where you didn't need to be

529
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: with a k I mean, you can maybe start to

530
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: see like you can maybe getting off on some but

531
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: and then now he's doing sit down interviews and to me,

532
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: he looks so pompous, and I swear to God, if

533
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: he gets a pod cast, I'm gonna be so mad.

534
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: Who knows what he's gonna do. I mean, the way

535
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: he was one of the way he broke down when

536
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: they said he was innocent on all accounts. I was like,

537
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: this is the world's worst acting. You're not even gonna

538
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: win a razzie with this. Yeah, he's not even getting

539
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: a webby my guy, he's not gonna get a podcast.

540
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: They don't just handle this out to anybody. I'm sorry.

541
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: We have enough white men with podcasts. Were good, We're

542
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: good on that. I I also just think, you know,

543
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who on the other

544
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: side are saying, you know, Joseph Rosenbaum was not a

545
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 1: good guy. He was a pedophile and he was charged

546
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: multiple times of pedophilia, and so a lot of people say,

547
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: why is everyone so upset about this? To me, it's

548
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 1: not about who it is that he did it too.

549
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: It's the fact that he showed up with guns. And

550
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: I mean, regardless of it was in self defense or not.

551
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: I'm not showing up anywhere with guns. It's not our

552
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: job to take a law into our own hand. Yea

553
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: professional with a gun, There's no reason I should have

554
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: one out at a protest. It's not my job. Like, so,

555
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: to me, that's the biggest issue, Like, regardless of the

556
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: guy was a good guy, or a bad guy or not.

557
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: Isn't the problem to me. It's that like, why does

558
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: this kid have guns? Access to guns and showing up

559
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: to a protest to use them and sentence. But yeah,

560
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm a little he did today, guys, I don't know,

561
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: like we noticed. Okay, we're gonna we're gonna end the

562
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: sentence there that he did not get and we're gonna

563
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: move on to some other cases, unless you guys have

564
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: want to talk more about Kyle Rittenhouse. I just great,

565
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: Thank god, at least was I clear. Yeah, I just

566
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: think we need to give more attention to these other cases,

567
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: to be honest. But also I'm very excited to talk

568
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: about the Cobra case. But I just want to really

569
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: quickly just do a quick rundown of tooth Thanksgiving cases

570
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: that I thought were really interesting. And the first one

571
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: we have is a former nanny and model, Omima Nelson,

572
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: who people compared her to the fictional character Hannibal Lecter,

573
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: who we all know as a cannibal. And they convicted

574
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: her second degree murder and the death of her fifty

575
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: six year old husband, William. He's a psychiatrist, and they

576
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: said that essentially she was getting pimped out by him,

577
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: and she was being abused, and on Thanksgiving she dismembered him.

578
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: She stabbed him with scissors. She cut off his head

579
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: and genitals, you know, really to make a point there.

580
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: And she put his hands in oil and boiled it

581
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: so that there would be no fingerprints, and she put

582
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: the head in a freezer. She tried to use the

583
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: carbage disposal to chop up his body parts. And she

584
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: said that it wasn't dmitri. Are you okay? Vomit okay?

585
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: I thought I heard a dry heat wanted to call

586
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: it out, and and she said that it was self

587
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: defense because her husband was sexually assaulting her and pimping

588
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: her out to pay for rent and bills and a car.

589
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: And prosecutors claimed that she was probably planning to rob him.

590
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: Kind of an odd theory because it's her husband. But

591
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: the prosecutor said that she enlisted the help of two

592
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: ex boyfriends to remove her husband's teeth so the remains

593
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: could not be identified. I don't want to say that

594
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: she's trying to pull a briand laundry. But here we are,

595
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: and happy Thanksgiving everyone. It's gonna be a no Thanksgiving

596
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: for me. Here's the problem. If that was, if all

597
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: that was really happening to her, obviously that's a horrible situation,

598
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: not one that anybody should be in. But once you

599
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: get out of a situation or whatever, even if she

600
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: murdered in self defense, the other stuff makes no sense.

601
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: Dismembering cooking boy Like, I don't know. It feels like

602
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: years of resentment of being pimped out and sexually abused,

603
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: you know, of course allegedly, allegedly, um maybe led to

604
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: this complete mental breakdown. Yeah, I mean, it's a lot.

605
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: It's a lot, and it reminds me um of oh no,

606
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: what's his name? It did remind me of someone I

607
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: knew by the pause you forgot, I'm like, she forgot,

608
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: I forgot who went to Texas? And then dismembered uh

609
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: Mr Black? Oh yeah, the air. We got this, We

610
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: got the three of us together can come up with

611
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 1: the name? Watch this. How many sleuths does it take

612
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: to remember one person? The Jinks, the guy from the Jinks,

613
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: the guy from what's his name? Robert? There's nothing the

614
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: three of us can't do. High five, Okay, and um,

615
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: I need to see be seen by a doctor for dementia.

616
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: So Robert Durst did also dismember Mr Black and said,

617
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: because you know, he thought that people would think that

618
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't self defense, so he didn't know what to do,

619
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: so he dismembered him. I mean, I don't really know

620
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: what the argument is for dismember it, but I got

621
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: that one. We brought that up to the investigator, the

622
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: one you were flirting with mcgraf, and he was like,

623
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: an investigator, sounds like something I would do exactly. I

624
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: think the only one you've ruled out as far as

625
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: husband maserial is anybody named Kyle. At this point. Beyond that,

626
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: I think you're still wide open hilarious. So but we

627
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: brought that up and he goes, that's the problem. Once

628
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: they do something like that, once they dismember a body

629
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: and hide it, then it's like you've totally you're washing

630
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: away your self defense. Except for some reason, people keep

631
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: getting off what's happy Thanksgiving story? Yeah, and there's just

632
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: one more Thanksgiving story very quickly. So seven year old

633
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: woman in Maryland was arrested in charge with stabbing her

634
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: half brother in the neck during Thanksgiving dinner with a

635
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: serving fork over an argument and Deante Wallace survived the

636
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 1: stab wounds. So all I'm saying is, if you're gonna

637
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: stab someone with a dingle hopper, you know what you're

638
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: saying is maybe avoid some of the top tough conversations

639
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: during Thanksgiving so it doesn't lead to that. Yeah, remember

640
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: we said no religion, politics, just talk about the weather.

641
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: Is it that hard weather and rainbows and happy time?

642
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: But see, this article could very well be about me,

643
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm not going home for Thanksgiving. Can

644
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: I just point out that the only one without kids

645
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: just quoted The Little Mermaid? I know what are you doing?

646
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: You're now you're treating me out. You're just sitting home

647
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: watching animated movies with your crime background. I have nothing

648
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: else to do. Lonely, I'm just reminiscing on my childhood

649
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: just to feel joy well speaking. Oh look, I'm gonna

650
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: tie it together. Speaking of anime movies, let's talk about

651
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: snakes like from Aladdin. Oh, here we go. We guys

652
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: just having to keep we're having to you know, web

653
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: it in and he is just starring in a beautiful

654
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: mind right now, watching all the pieces come together, just

655
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: like in my bulletin board. I'm like the meme of

656
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: Lisa Arena with like all the math have you seen it? Okay,

657
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: so now I need to find she died from a

658
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: snake bite, but the real killer was her husband. But

659
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: here's the thing. This woman who ended up dying from

660
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: a snake bite, he did this to her multiple times,

661
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: three three times. The first two times didn't work. The

662
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: second time she even ended up in the hospital. Told

663
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: them he put the snake to get her. They just

664
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: let her go home with him, so did her family.

665
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: And then the last time, he kept a cobra tied

666
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: up in like by itself so that it would want

667
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: to bite her. It still didn't want to, so then

668
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: he had to open its mouth and push his teeth,

669
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: the teeth into her to get the venom to get

670
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: into her, and that's what ended up killing her twice. Yeah,

671
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: and then they had proof that not only did he

672
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: the snake the like the way the snake bite bit

673
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: was not possible for the snake to do on its own,

674
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: but also like I just can't there's gotta be other ways.

675
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: This is what's this is what's incredible. This shows that

676
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 1: it's a different place, but it's the same type of behavior.

677
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: There's proof that he went and bought these snakes from

678
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: people like you know, people going like, well, he bought

679
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: this gun the most notorious snake. I think I read

680
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: that there was one point two million snake bite like

681
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: snake casualties. I mean, it makes sense. So so he

682
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: bought them from the snake handler. Uh Siresh, it's his

683
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: last name. And so first he tried the Russell's viper

684
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: that was the first one, and he put it in

685
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: the staircase of his house, hoping that um, when he

686
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: asked her to go fetch his phone from down the stairs,

687
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: that it would just bite her and kill her. But

688
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: she saw the snake and then it raised alarms. But

689
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: then he kept the snake in a plastic bag and

690
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: tried again. And then he tried sedating her by putting

691
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: sedatives in a bowl of Indian rice pudding, and she

692
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: fell asleep. Um he got He forced the viper to

693
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: bite her and then threw it out of her house

694
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: to destroy the evidence, and she woke up in excruciating pain.

695
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: She survived the bite, this is the one you were

696
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: talking about. And then she survived. So then the third

697
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: time they were trying to put skin grafts on her

698
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: legs after she had been bitten by the snake, but

699
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: there was this the other cobra that came in. He

700
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: laced her with sedatives again. And of course, because the

701
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: cobra had been tied up for seven days, cobra's need

702
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: to eat I think twice a day minimum, and so

703
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: it hadn't eaten anything in seven days, so technically it

704
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: should have been starving. But instead, when he unleashed the

705
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: cobra on her and her basically lifeless body, because he

706
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: had sedated her so much, it didn't even want to

707
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: eat her, so he had to ford his head down

708
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: two times into her body. I'm also I'm sorry if

709
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: I'm missed gendering the snake. I don't know if as

710
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: a matter that the snake would not bite without being provoked. Yes,

711
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 1: even thought right, and they were able to tell because

712
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: usually the snake by would only be between point nine

713
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: and oh, the snake by would be point sixteen to

714
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: point six three inches, and then because it was, the

715
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: head was pushed all the way in, the fangs reached

716
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: point nine to one point one inches each, so it

717
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: was clear that the cobra's upper jaw had been pushed

718
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: in as if it was being milked into her body.

719
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: So that raised a lot of suspicion. Is cobro biting

720
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: him with? I mean, if I was messing with a

721
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: cobra like that, I would think I would get bit

722
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: the moment he opens whatever it was trapped in. It

723
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: had to eat for seven days, you think it would

724
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: launch itself, right, you know, but maybe it was just

725
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: getting ready for New York Fashion Week. We also leeah,

726
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: we have to mention this part considering you know all

727
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: we talk about with your dating life. These two got

728
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: married because through a dating app and the parents the

729
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: matchmaker right match, No an app, but it was an app.

730
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: But they chose this man because she had learning disabilities

731
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: and they thought that he would take care of her. Right,

732
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: talk about a bad picker. If it actually was a

733
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: mass pick or not an app. You messed this one up. Yeah,

734
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: Utra that is her, that was her name. Did not

735
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: choose well, I will say Kumar, the man who murdered her.

736
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: Her ex husband just wanted to get out of the

737
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: marriage so badly because he couldn't handle it anymore. It's

738
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: just like, just divorce her. Why do you need to

739
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: mercilessly money and the other thing. Yeah, he was milking

740
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: them for all the money. But also the other thing

741
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: that's interesting is that, uh, the snake handler had also

742
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: been bitten by a cobra before and said it was

743
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: the most excruciating painful experiences of his entire life. So

744
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: it's obvious that she was not just sleeping, because if

745
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: she had been sleeping, she would have been woken up

746
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: by how painful the bite was. But it's clear that

747
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: she was said there was the sedative in her body

748
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: so that she did not feel most painful experience of

749
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: her entire life. But he's so he's an idiot, like

750
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: he's going through the not that any of this is

751
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: the right, like you should be doing. But he's drugging

752
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: her to get her to sleep so he can try

753
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: and get a snake to bite her. Like the guy's

754
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: just a moron. Yeah, oh, this is really making me

755
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: appreciate being single. You know. It's like just no one

756
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: to murder me because no one cares about me enough

757
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: to kill me. But I know, I'm really sad about it,

758
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: but I will say. The other thing is that her

759
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: brother found the cobra inside the family home and killed it,

760
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: and this was after was pronounced dead, and they buried

761
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: the serpent at the house and marked the location with

762
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: a stick. And then during the investigation, they dug up

763
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: the snake's carcass and they showed that the abdomen was empty,

764
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: which was super significant because, like we said before, these

765
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: cobras eat twice a single day and there would still

766
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: be food in their body. And it takes seven days

767
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: for snakes to die dust food, which means that it

768
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: had been at least seven days since the snake had

769
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: been fed, which means it was not in its natural habitat,

770
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: which means it was being kept in confinement. Well, you know,

771
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: besides that, and and you know, the snake handler called

772
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: the husband and said, why did you commit this horrible sin?

773
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: And he was brought on trial, but he was acquitted

774
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: because obviously he was not part of the murder or

775
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: the planning of it. But this is such a grave sin,

776
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: as they said, and it's just tragic, horrible, terrible, horrible,

777
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: I mean, really disgusting, very sad. And Teddy, I know

778
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: that we had one more story to get to today,

779
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: I guess, but I also know that your entire family

780
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: is about to come into the house, like we I mean,

781
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: I feel like we can. Just you want to run

782
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: through it, We'll run through it quickly. About we're talking

783
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: about the Instagram model. Oh yeah, we are, Okay, So

784
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: the Instagram model who it was her twenty four birthday.

785
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: She went out with her um, one of her best friends,

786
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: and after her best friend a text, we should get

787
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: out of here with the eyes like the emoji the eyes,

788
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: and those were the last text messages found from the

789
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: instant models husband. However, both women were found at separate hospitals,

790
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: drugged with heroin in their system, and so far they

791
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: have not told us yet if there has been um

792
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: sexual abuse, but they're no longer with us. Well, they

793
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: were found dead outside the hospitals. Well, there's actually just

794
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: a quick correction. So they were out at a different

795
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: club and met these guys and went back with them

796
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: to this warehouse party. So they weren't people that they

797
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: knew beforehand, to be clear. And then also I also

798
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: do find it interesting her husband wasn't out with her

799
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: at the birthday celebrate, not was out of town. Okay, okay,

800
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 1: but I can't say this. I'm not going out nill

801
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 1: five thirty in the morning when my husband's not around,

802
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: but and I don't mean I was going to start,

803
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: so I said, nothing good happens after midnight. I usually

804
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,959
Speaker 1: turn into a pumpkin. But anyway, so that's a story

805
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: for a different day, Disney, And I will say I

806
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: did go on a date last night. Is this can

807
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: I just okay? So I did go on a date

808
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: last night. And I told him I had to treat

809
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: Sunday night like a school night because I had a

810
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: very early interview in the morning. I know ten thirty

811
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: for most people isn't very early, but for me it is.

812
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: And I told him at midnight I was turned into

813
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: a pumpkin. So we were sitting outside my house in

814
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: his car at midnight, and I did not turn into pumpkin?

815
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: Did you make out? The cameras will probably show that this.

816
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: Did he come inside? Guys? I can't. I too. The

817
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: stress of my kids is having me put things in

818
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: the wrong. I don't think not, because I am an

819
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: adult and thought I had a very exciting interview this morning.

820
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: So I got my beauty rest and read up on

821
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 1: all of our cases and was even texting you guys

822
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: at one in the morning things that I thought we

823
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: should add to the rundown for today. So no, Teddy,

824
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: he did not come inside. And I mean that in

825
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: every way possible. That's number one. Number two. I will

826
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: round out this model story by letting you know that

827
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: Christie was found dead outside of Southern California Hospital in

828
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: Culver City around i PM. I thought it's my bam

829
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: on Saturday, and then two hours later her friend Hilda

830
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: was in critical condition outside a different hospital. And I

831
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: don't know if she has passed away yet, but they

832
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: said that she has no brain activity and it doesn't

833
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: look good for her at the moment. So they were

834
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: injected with heroin and um. They are still waiting to

835
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 1: figure out what's going on. Why these guys separated them

836
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: and the time differences why they We don't know. We

837
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: don't have all the information. We definitely have speculation, but

838
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: not the information. So we will stay tuned for updates

839
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: on this case. Hello, children, just talking about the little

840
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: Mermaid here. Don't worry about a thing. Yeah, alright, So

841
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: I guess that's it for us today. I want to

842
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: remind everyone to call in live at eight six crime again.

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00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: That's eight six six two one two seven four or

844
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Speaker 1: six three. Leave us a voicemail if you have any

845
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: thoughts or opinions about anything you heard here today, or

846
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Speaker 1: you have suggestions for a case you'd like for us

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