WEBVTT - 7 Things Every Employee Should Ask Their Company For Now

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, hey, hey, we're back. We're black, we're brown ambition.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey man, you're black and the black black black black.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that because you know what we do not have,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the the mystery is now solved. Like I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like everyone knows I'm black now and I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to hide it. But it's like people who don't see color.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like I feel free. I feel free, a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit free, and we can acknowledge our I just can't hid.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I'm black, and now you do you do?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good song to do with it. What

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<v Speaker 2>is that flash chance?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so excited, Like, can we.

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<v Speaker 2>Choose to turners? Anyway? It's fine, it's not the cuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just I was chatting with some friends and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, there's no going back for me. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>undo the truth that I'm speaking now. I can't go

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<v Speaker 2>back to the way I used to be, where I

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<v Speaker 2>tried to diminish myself to be more palatable to people.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I can go back. It feels too

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<v Speaker 2>good to just say what you think.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it feels awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Oh did you see my husband broke this

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<v Speaker 2>news to me, Oh, I don't know what. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I'm happy. I guess I'm relieved. But you know, Bubba

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<v Speaker 2>Wallace a NASCAR driver, Yes, the like one of I

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<v Speaker 2>think the only black NASCAR drivers. So he made a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of headlines. God, I never knew this man's name.

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up in Locust Grove, Georgia, which McDonough, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 2>which was home of the NASCAR racetrack. Man. I just

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<v Speaker 2>steered very clear away from that because the whole business

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<v Speaker 2>of NASCAR is just steeped, I think, in racism, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's so attracts a crowd that you know that they

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<v Speaker 2>have a bad rap, you know. And Bubba Wallace came

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<v Speaker 2>out and supported the ban of the Confederate flags at

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<v Speaker 2>NASCAR rallies or whatever you call them. I don't I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not equipped to talk about this. Is it a sport whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So NASCAR banned Confederate flags, and Bubba Wallace became at

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<v Speaker 2>least he just he was on all the morning shows.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how I saw him on the Today Show. First

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<v Speaker 2>of all, I mean, he's extremely handsome. Go check him

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<v Speaker 2>out if you haven't do your googles.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw him like a lot far away. Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to take a look after he's not.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of imagine, like maybe real will look like

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<v Speaker 2>him one day. But anyway, that's also weird. The point

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<v Speaker 2>of what I'm trying to get at is that, so

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<v Speaker 2>he came out in support of banning the Confederate flag,

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<v Speaker 2>NASCAR totally backed him, which I was personally shocked by,

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<v Speaker 2>because I mean, I formed my opinion of the NASCAR

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<v Speaker 2>crowd a long time ago, and that's also a problem

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<v Speaker 2>in and of itself. I should give people a chance,

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<v Speaker 2>but they have a terrible history behind them. Anyway, this

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<v Speaker 2>week it came out, or was it late last week,

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<v Speaker 2>Bubba Wallace found what he thought was a noose hanging

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<v Speaker 2>from the garage door where he parked his car for

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<v Speaker 2>this race or whatever, and in true like solidarity with him.

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<v Speaker 2>It was actually beautiful to see. There was this spiral

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<v Speaker 2>video where all of the drivers in this I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>keep calling it a rally. I'm really sorry if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a fan, I don't know what else to call it.

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<v Speaker 2>Before they drive around the track a bunch of times

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<v Speaker 2>the race or whatever, they to show solidarity with Bubba Wallace,

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<v Speaker 2>they pushed his car down the track and they took

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<v Speaker 2>a big photo with him, and there were so many

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<v Speaker 2>statements of support. Yes, NASCAR was all over it, and sadly,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, of course, of course found a

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<v Speaker 2>noose in his garage. It's NASCAR, and you know, these

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<v Speaker 2>people are like racist, even if the companies, even if

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<v Speaker 2>the business itself was coming out, you know, in favor

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<v Speaker 2>of inclusivity. So it came out today. Fortunately it was

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<v Speaker 2>not a hate crime. The FBI investigated, they did it

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<v Speaker 2>very quickly, and it turned out that the news quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote was was hanging from the garage door way back

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<v Speaker 2>like last year, and they have security footage. So it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, part of me is relieved because it feels like, okay, good,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, at least, at least there was one terrible

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<v Speaker 2>hate crime story that ended up not being a hate crime.

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<v Speaker 2>And as far as I know, it was not at

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<v Speaker 2>all like a Jesse Smalllett situation where you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>hung the news himself and then took a picture of

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<v Speaker 2>selfiea it. You know, remember Jesse Smalllett.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, remember when scandals were like so simple

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<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, oh Jesse right, all he lied.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, but now we're like, we have bigger

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<v Speaker 3>fish to fry, Jesse, You're off the hook.

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<v Speaker 2>Beggar fresh. So that ended up being at least a

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<v Speaker 2>happy ending, and FBI investigated really quickly, and NASCAR was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the this is the this is the outcome.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we were all hoping for that it would

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<v Speaker 2>not turn out to be a hate crime. And good

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<v Speaker 2>because I feel like Bubba Wallace, I mean, he's done

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<v Speaker 2>huge things for the sport just in the last week

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<v Speaker 2>by bringing recognition to it and shout out to the

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<v Speaker 2>black athletes in white sports. Like there was also a

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<v Speaker 2>man who plays in the National Hockey League and again,

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<v Speaker 2>your girl knows nothing about this sport except for this

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<v Speaker 2>black man had opened up about the racism and the

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<v Speaker 2>bullying that he had to endure in that sport and

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<v Speaker 2>how just insidious it was within the sport itself. And

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<v Speaker 2>Bubba and this other guy whose name I do not

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm very sorry, they're so brave to speak

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<v Speaker 2>out and know that they have to go back down,

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<v Speaker 2>yes to the locker room. Do they have those? And Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I should just talking about stuff I don't know about,

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<v Speaker 2>but it takes real bravery and it's time for us

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<v Speaker 2>to expect. You know. It's one of those things where

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<v Speaker 2>I just accepted in my mind a world where NASCAR

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<v Speaker 2>was just for white people. It was a racist sport,

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<v Speaker 2>Confederate flags, you know, And it's nice. It's nice to

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<v Speaker 2>think that maybe a generation or two from now they'll

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<v Speaker 2>think of Nascar as you know, oh Bubba Wallace or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the twenty five bubble Wallaces that that may

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<v Speaker 2>come next. Which is that just nice to see it is?

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<v Speaker 1>Well and some not so nice news.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so I feel like, you know, we've all seen

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<v Speaker 3>all the companies doing like their statements and things like.

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<v Speaker 4>We stand with Black Lives Matter.

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<v Speaker 3>We you know, if you know, to me, if you're

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<v Speaker 3>not coming like Ben and Jerry's, I don't believe you.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever since you mentioned Ben and Jerry's, I just saw

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<v Speaker 2>another headline that they're stopping ads on Facebook because of

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook's history of non inclusive advertising or whatever. Continue here.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, awesome, if you haven't googled Ben and Jerry's

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<v Speaker 3>Black Lives Matter statement, it's amazing. So this brand reached

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<v Speaker 3>out to me, who I've worked with financial brand and

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<v Speaker 3>their product is you know, good decent, and they were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>we saw what you did we share the mic, Tiffany,

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<v Speaker 3>and they might listen, hey boo, but we saw what

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<v Speaker 3>you did. We share the mic, and we'd love for

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<v Speaker 3>you to take over our ig feed, and we'd love

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<v Speaker 3>for you to, like, you know, be transparent, be yourself,

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<v Speaker 3>share like how you did with share the mic.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, Oh my gosh, it sounds great. Dot in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Phone with one of their I don't know if she

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<v Speaker 3>was an executive or what, but I've spoken to the

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<v Speaker 3>president of this company before when they wanted me to

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<v Speaker 3>work with them, and I was like, okay, sounds great.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything was sounding great, great, great great great until it

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<v Speaker 3>came out, and to be fair, she shared it candidly that, oh, so,

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to be honest, we don't have any

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<v Speaker 3>black employees. And I'm like, are you guys based in

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<v Speaker 3>like New Zealand or something. Oh no, Silicon.

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<v Speaker 4>Valley, oh and me at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Out of how many?

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<v Speaker 4>And I asked that's why, I said, I said how many?

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<v Speaker 4>She said thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, what about contract workers, you know, because I

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<v Speaker 3>hire Captholck and she was like no, I said, so,

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<v Speaker 3>no black employees out of thirty even though you're based

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<v Speaker 3>here in the United States. Where there's plenty of black folks,

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<v Speaker 3>no contract workers. I said, even we have Nate. Nate

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<v Speaker 3>is the one white guy on our team and the

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<v Speaker 3>sea assistance. There's Nate, right, and I've had we work

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<v Speaker 3>with other people we've worked with. Of course, my team

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<v Speaker 3>is largely African American women, but we work with all

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<v Speaker 3>types of people before a contract and otherwise.

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<v Speaker 4>And I told her that.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, even we a black women run business that

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<v Speaker 3>serves black women have like you know, we work with Hector,

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<v Speaker 3>he's a Hispanic male Nate. I think her name was

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<v Speaker 3>Heather my agent, Heather, my other agent la, but even

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<v Speaker 3>I have other.

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<v Speaker 4>And she was just like, yeah, you know, we can

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<v Speaker 4>do better.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, uh, yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 3>So why I'm not here to be your brown band

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<v Speaker 3>aid on your ig when you have a real problem internally.

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<v Speaker 3>And she's like, oh no, no, that was not the intention.

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<v Speaker 3>And she said, oh wait wait and then she said this,

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<v Speaker 3>which I'm like, wow. She was like, wait, we do

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<v Speaker 3>hire black models and actors. I guess they do commercials

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<v Speaker 3>and things and for their ads, and then we also

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<v Speaker 3>have black partner partners like you. I thought, oh, so

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<v Speaker 3>you take the black dollar, got it, you know? But

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<v Speaker 3>you don't hire black people. Ooh even better and she

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh my god. I was like, do you

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<v Speaker 3>see how terrible that sounds? So you acknowledge that you

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<v Speaker 3>want black people's money, so you lure them with black

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<v Speaker 3>bait like me, and you put them in black ads

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<v Speaker 3>and black commercials to get black money. But Ah, would

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<v Speaker 3>never ever ever hire black people.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, do you see what that sounds like?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, but what we will do is get black Tiffany

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<v Speaker 3>to be on our ig to say hey, look we're

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<v Speaker 3>black adjacent and then go back to being not really

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<v Speaker 3>in solidarity with black people. So you can take black

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<v Speaker 3>dollars but can't put money back into black pockets.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it?

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<v Speaker 1>And she was like, no, no, that was not my

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<v Speaker 1>That's not what I meant.

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<v Speaker 4>I can see how that sounds. I'm like, it's not

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<v Speaker 4>really about how it sounds, it's just how it is.

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<v Speaker 3>And so she was like, well, you know it basically,

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean obviously I told them no, And well

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<v Speaker 3>she was like, you know, I'm going to check back

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<v Speaker 3>in with you next week. But I'm sure she marinated

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<v Speaker 3>it on and realized, like check back in sis, it's a rap, honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>And I told her the truth is, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 3>to be pushing your product anymore. Well, if you're listening,

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<v Speaker 3>just so you know, we're not going to be pushing

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<v Speaker 3>your product anymore, because you know, what she did say

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<v Speaker 3>is is that you know, we do have a policy

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<v Speaker 3>in place that the next like you know, the next

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<v Speaker 3>hire or the next few hires will be black people,

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<v Speaker 3>which it just seems so that's not it, sis like,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, because one, what are you hiring next?

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<v Speaker 3>And she's like, well, it is quarantine during the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 3>In other words, you're not hiring. So let's be clear

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<v Speaker 3>on that. And it's not about and actually use you

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<v Speaker 3>as an example of Mandy. I was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>one of my friends, she's in a position to hire people,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know what she's done. She widens the net.

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<v Speaker 4>Black people don't need you to.

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<v Speaker 3>Accommodate with them with crumbs. If you widen the net

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<v Speaker 3>in your search for people to hire, you will find

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<v Speaker 3>people who are qualified, all racist genders, creeds and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>You do not widen your net. And it's purposefully done,

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<v Speaker 3>I said, because here I am, I too run a

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<v Speaker 3>financial company, and we have man to fill it with

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five black women imagine that they're out there, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and so so yeah, hey girl, if you're listening, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not working with you anymore and we're not pushing your

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<v Speaker 3>product anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not in alignment with the way I want to

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<v Speaker 1>show up.

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<v Speaker 3>So the truth is I've been looking at different products

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<v Speaker 3>and services that we use and looking to see who's

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<v Speaker 3>on their team to see, Like, I don't care about

0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:24.640
<v Speaker 3>your post on ig and your stinking email. I want

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<v Speaker 3>to see how do you really show up behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that was like, you know, that was so crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I know she cut I know she

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<v Speaker 3>was like, That's how I thought this was going to end.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that this continues to happen. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>similar and shout out to you for well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>give her credit for acknowledging it, and give you credit

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<v Speaker 2>for taking that information in doing what you did. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't get a cookie for acknowledging the problem. That's exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what I've decided not to accept from the company that

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<v Speaker 2>I work for. And I talked last week about how

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote an email to my CEO and with six

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<v Speaker 2>points in the email, and I know one of our

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<v Speaker 2>listeners reached out to me and wanted wanted me to

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<v Speaker 2>share the six points, and I want to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>but a little bit more because, as I said on

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<v Speaker 2>last week's show, I feel like there's a huge opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>here where we can finally acknowledge our blackness in the workplace,

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<v Speaker 2>tell people how it is, and then get them to

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<v Speaker 2>do something about it, because I'm not interested in hearing

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<v Speaker 2>someone hem and haw and just like, oh, I've just

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<v Speaker 2>never I had never meant to be racist. How could

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<v Speaker 2>I have created a workplace that could not be inclusive

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<v Speaker 2>of everybody? Like this is just terrible, I've realized as

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, like I don't have time to

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<v Speaker 2>listen to you have this epiphany. I want to see

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<v Speaker 2>real action. Okay, now you have it. You can feel

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<v Speaker 2>your feelings at home, you know, talk to your friends

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<v Speaker 2>and your family about how you feel so bad about

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<v Speaker 2>what's happened. But when it comes to the like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't I'm not here to like make you feel better

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<v Speaker 2>about it. I am here with solutions, and solutions are

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<v Speaker 2>what I want to see happen. And Tiffany to your

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<v Speaker 2>point when it comes to choosing who you want to work,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's the same thing about trying to be more

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<v Speaker 2>inclusive when we decide where to spend our money, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is the heart behind by black. That is the heart,

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<v Speaker 2>that is the intention behind buying black. It's that you

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<v Speaker 2>try to lift up businesses that are typically not mainstream

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<v Speaker 2>and are not trafficked like other businesses. So for me,

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<v Speaker 2>as someone who has worked for several companies in the

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<v Speaker 2>last decade plus of my career, I've never questioned what

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<v Speaker 2>are the values of the company I'm working for. I've

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<v Speaker 2>looked at a job and said, what will this teach me?

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<v Speaker 2>Where can I go from here? Is this a good

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<v Speaker 2>career move for me? And of course, once I get there,

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<v Speaker 2>the inclusivity of a place truly does impact me and

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<v Speaker 2>my career advancement and things like that, But I never

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<v Speaker 2>actually considered that thoughtfully looking at a job, is this

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<v Speaker 2>a place where people like me can thrive? And what

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<v Speaker 2>I've found every job I've left, if I'm looking back,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm truly looking back, I can point to the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that they were not diverse. There was no commitment

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<v Speaker 2>to inclusivity, there was no commitment to making sure that

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<v Speaker 2>everyone had a level playing field, and in some weird way,

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<v Speaker 2>I had to leave like not some weird way, but

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<v Speaker 2>I eventually left indirectly for that reason. That's that's how

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<v Speaker 2>I feel. So I'm making a commitment. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>something like Tiffany, you could walk away from this relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't sound like it was going to be like a

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<v Speaker 2>paid opportunity. But I know that your business is such

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<v Speaker 2>that you can walk away from some opportunities. And I

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<v Speaker 2>understand not everybody has that. That's a privilege in and

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<v Speaker 2>of itself. And I'm saying this fully knowing that you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still a publican, I'm still an employee of a

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<v Speaker 2>public company. Anything could happen. But as long as I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a choice, and I of course i will choose

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<v Speaker 2>a paycheck so I can feed my son over any

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<v Speaker 2>moral high ground. I don't know anyone who wouldn't. But

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<v Speaker 2>as long as I have a choice, and as long

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<v Speaker 2>as I can use it in this way, I will

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<v Speaker 2>not work for another company as long as it's within

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<v Speaker 2>my power and I have the ability that is not

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<v Speaker 2>already doing it right, because I'm sick and tired of

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<v Speaker 2>having to be on the on the advisory board for

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<v Speaker 2>this and go to the Black Employee group and and

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, bang my head against the wall with

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<v Speaker 2>other black employees about what happened, and this happened, and

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<v Speaker 2>and and you know, find a safe space to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about being black, Like fuck that I'm done with it.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have to be this way. And it's again,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, we shouldn't have to accept this mainstream normalcy,

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<v Speaker 2>and we shouldn't have to keep diminishing ourselves, keep changing ourselves,

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<v Speaker 2>keep trying to conform to mainstream standards, just so we

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<v Speaker 2>can achieve a like a livelihood, just so we can

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<v Speaker 2>have a sliver of a shot as a person next

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<v Speaker 2>to us who is part of that mainstream, part of

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<v Speaker 2>the system, part of the people that the system was

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<v Speaker 2>really and truly built for. And there are companies out there.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe they have to exist, Tiffany. You're one of

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<v Speaker 2>them that are doing things right. And I that is

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<v Speaker 2>my commitment. And now when it comes to my current company,

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<v Speaker 2>I genuinely feel this way. And when we had our

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<v Speaker 2>call with the CEO last week, you know, it was

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<v Speaker 2>a small group, it was great. I told him, just

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<v Speaker 2>like I told my team, like, if it can't happen here,

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<v Speaker 2>if we can't make some true if we can't make

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<v Speaker 2>something really happen and change and move the needle. Here

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<v Speaker 2>at a company where I think people genuinely do care,

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<v Speaker 2>where they are committed, where they are open minded, generally progressive, lovely,

0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.360
<v Speaker 2>nice people to work with, then it can't We're can

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<v Speaker 2>happen anywhere, you know, and I give up. So I'm committed.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm all in, like I'm all in this time to

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<v Speaker 2>help get us there, and I will, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to be I'm joining the task force that they

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<v Speaker 2>put together to help create some change when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to inclusivity. I'm not going to shut up about it.

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<v Speaker 2>We have I don't know if any of you guys

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<v Speaker 2>at companies have a mid year performance review or you

0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.199
<v Speaker 2>set goals for the year. At our company, we have

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<v Speaker 2>a specific goal setting goal setting system called Objectives and

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<v Speaker 2>key Results, which is very popular because this is what

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<v Speaker 2>made Google Google and all that. And we do it quarterly.

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<v Speaker 2>And we sat through our typical you know, all the

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<v Speaker 2>bosses in a room and let's talk about what your

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<v Speaker 2>objectives are going to be for the next quarter. Q

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<v Speaker 2>three is coming up. And it was a nice call.

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<v Speaker 2>And as soon as it was over, because I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to, like, I didn't want to. I wanted it

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<v Speaker 2>to be a short call and I'm not trying to

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<v Speaker 2>sit here and have a debate. I send an email

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<v Speaker 2>because there was no team wide call for any objective

0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.359
<v Speaker 2>tied to inclusivity, not a single one. And I send

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<v Speaker 2>an email and I see seed our HR again and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, Okay, here are twelve, like literally twelve bullet points.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's ideas for what we can include for our objection

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<v Speaker 2>objective relating to inclusivity. It's a missed opportunity if we

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<v Speaker 2>don't do it. And there's another meeting to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it next week. And I so, I like, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm all in with this, like a lot. Yeah, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you many oh thanks, I mean thank you for thanking me.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just if you're in it, if you have

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<v Speaker 2>a tiny bit of power within your company, and even

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't, I feel like now now we have

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<v Speaker 2>like the opportunity is ripe for us to stand up

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<v Speaker 2>and speak and ask for things, and one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 2>like we need businesses like Tiffany who who who hire

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<v Speaker 2>from that way from the beginning and don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>go back and fix a broken system. But there's so

0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.399
<v Speaker 2>many companies out there that are already entrenched in their

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<v Speaker 2>ways and we need to infiltrate them. And that sounds

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<v Speaker 2>so malicious, but we need like we need people on

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<v Speaker 2>the right side within those companies willing, and it's exhausting work.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it's on top of the day jobs we

0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:54.119
<v Speaker 2>already freaking have. But if you have a position of

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<v Speaker 2>power where you can share your influence, please do so

0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:00.600
<v Speaker 2>that it can be easier and better for people coming

0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:04.520
<v Speaker 2>behind you. And I I'm putting my best foot forward

0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:09.919
<v Speaker 2>so far. I'm cautiously optimistic and I really hope that

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<v Speaker 2>we can make some change, and I hope the accountability

0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:17.760
<v Speaker 2>is there. Accountability is everything, and.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like see, for me, it's I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to say easy, but you know, like one,

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<v Speaker 3>I own my company, so who's gonna check me boo right?

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<v Speaker 3>And then two, you know, the space is already there,

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<v Speaker 3>so I can't imagine how hard it is if you

0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.440
<v Speaker 3>are in a place where you're creating the space from scratch.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's why I just said thank you, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>not easy to do that, you know, Like it's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it would be weird as black women not talking to

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<v Speaker 3>other black women about like what's happening. I mean, it's

0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.600
<v Speaker 3>just part of our normal, everyday conversation. So not to

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<v Speaker 3>say it's it's you know, it's not been easy to

0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.720
<v Speaker 3>create a company that that that does that, but it's

0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:00.840
<v Speaker 3>having the conversation with with the people that I work

0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.960
<v Speaker 3>with is not a hard conversation. It's disheartening because we're

0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:05.760
<v Speaker 3>all like, yeah, we're all on the same page. But

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to commend you, Amandy, because it's not

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm trying to think, well, only one time

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<v Speaker 3>have I ever worked in an environment where you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that would have been hard because when I graduated college,

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<v Speaker 3>I my first job was a preschool teacher in Newark,

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<v Speaker 3>New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm surrounded by black people.

0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.879
<v Speaker 3>So if something like if I was still a preschool teacher,

0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:31.920
<v Speaker 3>I'd be talking to my other black preschool teachers about

0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:35.960
<v Speaker 3>what's happening pretty freely. But I do remember before that,

0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:38.920
<v Speaker 3>I had an internship working for Wakefern, which is corporate shop.

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<v Speaker 1>Right for those of you who don't live in like

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<v Speaker 1>the Northeast.

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<v Speaker 3>Shop Right is like a really it's a chain of

0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:50.760
<v Speaker 3>big supermarkets, and I remember distinctly looking at like all

0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:56.120
<v Speaker 3>the executives in the at the shop right or at Wakefern,

0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:58.359
<v Speaker 3>which is the corporate side, and none of them were black.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember that they had this one analyst, so

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<v Speaker 3>it was like corporate. Then it was like the analyst,

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<v Speaker 3>and then it was like like the rest of us.

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<v Speaker 3>And then it was like the actual warehouse where the

0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:14.760
<v Speaker 3>guys were actually packing up things to put them on

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<v Speaker 3>these big these big trucks that would go from shop

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<v Speaker 3>right to shopright.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>It looked like a plantation because it was inside the

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<v Speaker 3>office it was all white. And then me and then

0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.600
<v Speaker 3>there was this one door that opened to the warehouse

0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:34.520
<v Speaker 3>and it was all these young black guys and I

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<v Speaker 3>just remember thinking it was like the oddest thing, like

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<v Speaker 3>what And this one black analyst that me being there

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<v Speaker 3>while I was there during the summer, they demoted him

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<v Speaker 3>to some other, like smaller job, and I just remember thinking,

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<v Speaker 3>And then they actually offered me a job there. And

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<v Speaker 3>the executive assistant to the president or the CEO, she

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<v Speaker 3>was the other black woman who actually worked.

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<v Speaker 4>She was an older black woman. She was like my

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<v Speaker 4>work mom.

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<v Speaker 3>She pulled me to the side and I'll never forget

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<v Speaker 3>and she said, I heard they offered your job. It

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<v Speaker 3>was like my second year interning, second or third year.

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<v Speaker 3>She said, I heard they offered your job, baby. I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, yeah, you know, they're gonna pay good. She

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<v Speaker 3>was like, she said, you see what they did to Pernell.

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<v Speaker 3>Parnell is the you know, was the analyst that they

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<v Speaker 3>that they demoted. She said, you see where all the

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<v Speaker 3>other black people work. You take that job. You a

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<v Speaker 3>goddamn fool.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wait, what work?

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, work, mom, But honestly, she changed the

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<v Speaker 3>directing of my life because I was already miserable there.

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<v Speaker 3>But they were gonna pay me fifty thousand dollars, which

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<v Speaker 3>was such big money. Graduated in college. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my gosh. And even though in my heart of hearts,

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<v Speaker 3>I knew how I wanted to be a teacher, but

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<v Speaker 3>the teaching job that I'd interviewed for was gonna pay

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<v Speaker 3>me thirty two thousand, and then here Wakeferm was gonna pay.

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<v Speaker 4>Me fifty thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was heavily considering, because hello, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>get my own apartment and my own car. But when

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<v Speaker 3>she said that, she was like what I couldn't believe

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<v Speaker 3>beause she she lured me in with that sweetness, like, hey, baby.

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<v Speaker 4>Come on into my office.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, work mom, y'all.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll never forget her face.

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<v Speaker 3>She looked at me like that, only like a grandma

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<v Speaker 3>could because she's an older woman, straight in the eye.

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<v Speaker 3>Was like, you would be a goddamn fool. And I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, I was like, you lost that. I said yes, ma'am,

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<v Speaker 3>and I turned it down and I became a preschool teacher,

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<v Speaker 3>which led to me becoming the budgetista. But it just like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, so to create I say all that to say,

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<v Speaker 3>for you to create space like that in a place

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<v Speaker 3>where there is no space, that's a very difficult and

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<v Speaker 3>brave thing to do. So I just like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't imagine what that would look like and feel

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<v Speaker 3>like and if I would have the courage to do so,

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<v Speaker 3>because it takes a lot of courage to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>So thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, somebody let me loose and let me hire everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>And my team is forty percent people of color. And

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I've taken the past three years to

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<v Speaker 2>quietly and it's and thoughtfully meaningfully choose how I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to build this team, and now I feel like, can't

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<v Speaker 2>tell me it can't be done. I've done it, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're one of Like I said this in my letter,

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<v Speaker 2>we're a successful team. We're we're an engaged team. We

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<v Speaker 2>are a productive team. We you know, we get our

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<v Speaker 2>shit done. And you can't tell me it can't be

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<v Speaker 2>done because now I've shown it to you and I've

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<v Speaker 2>done it without any help or training or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And really quickly, I wanted to run through a list,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna I'm actually going to put this in

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<v Speaker 2>a dock for the notes, and Kelly could include it

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<v Speaker 2>in the show notes of a list. If you're working

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<v Speaker 2>for a company and you're wondering, you know, what should

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<v Speaker 2>I be asking for right now? I want to I

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<v Speaker 2>want to use my voice and speak up, whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>at a town hall or an email to HR or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Just I'm going to do a quick summary and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'll include like a more detailed list than our show notes,

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<v Speaker 2>but a couple of things. Ask the company to publish

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<v Speaker 2>demographics of the staff, diversity stats, what percentage are black,

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<v Speaker 2>what percentage are white, et cetera, women versus men, all

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<v Speaker 2>of that, and if they don't have it published or

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<v Speaker 2>it's hidden behind some you know, mystical door, and human

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<v Speaker 2>resources ask them why they aren't sharing it with the company,

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<v Speaker 2>because how can you measure your own success if you

0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 2>don't know where the starting line is? And how can

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<v Speaker 2>managing How can someone like me, for example, I say

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<v Speaker 2>forty percent of my team is people of color. I

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<v Speaker 2>did my own assessment, But how can I know if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm above average or below average? Or what is the

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<v Speaker 2>baseline we should be aiming for? That's the first thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Second thing, and this is a point I made on

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<v Speaker 2>the call with the CEO last week, is okay. He

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<v Speaker 2>was speaking very passionately about the importance of inclusivity and

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<v Speaker 2>how just he he hates, hates that anyone would feel

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<v Speaker 2>such microaggressions in the office and that the place would

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<v Speaker 2>be not hospitable to every one of every race and

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:40.920
<v Speaker 2>sexuality and all that. And I said, that's very nice,

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<v Speaker 2>But do your executives think so? Does the board of

0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:47.359
<v Speaker 2>directors feel the same way? It does every manager at

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<v Speaker 2>the company in a position of hiring, giving performance reviews,

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<v Speaker 2>doing compensation reviews? Do they think so? And how do

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<v Speaker 2>we hold them accountable for agreeing with you? Because it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter. And this is the same thing with like

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<v Speaker 2>the President of the United States a little bit. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a complete ignorant asshole, believing my CEO is nothing

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<v Speaker 2>like that. But I'm just making the analogy. But honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not so much what he says and does is important,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's also the people in Congress who you know,

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<v Speaker 2>are enabling him to do these things and enacting legislation,

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, to promote his ideals. They really are the

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<v Speaker 2>little worker ants on the ground who can make these

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:28.640
<v Speaker 2>systems proliferate, you know. So for me, it's the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>We need people beneath him to feel the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>So how do you do that? I recommend a sponsorship program.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is like a formal This is a formalized

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<v Speaker 2>version of what I've had through my quote unquote sponsor,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who hired me four years ago, someone who

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<v Speaker 2>when you were hired at the company and you're a

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<v Speaker 2>person of color, you're matched with someone a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>rungs above you at least, who is charged with being

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<v Speaker 2>your advocate, with being your coach, with being your sounding board,

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<v Speaker 2>someone who can help you navigate and help you understand

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<v Speaker 2>how things work and bounce ideas off and help you

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<v Speaker 2>chart your own career path, and they're held accountable for

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 2>whether or not you stay and how you thrive there

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<v Speaker 2>and if you thrive there, and helping you feel like

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<v Speaker 2>you're welcome there. And I think that would be a

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<v Speaker 2>big difference. And it would also show people in management

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.440
<v Speaker 2>that we really care about inclusivity so much so we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to ask you to help us by sponsoring a

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<v Speaker 2>worker you know, on a different team or whatnot, to

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<v Speaker 2>have some skin in the game and help us create

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 2>an environment where people of color can thrive because we

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 2>recognize they do not come in with the same advantages

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 2>and privileges that others do. I said, I was going

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>to be quick, and here I go. No, that's good

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:44.920
<v Speaker 2>equity training. This is racial equity training or unconscious bias training.

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:46.679
<v Speaker 2>For any manager who's going to be hiring, they have

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<v Speaker 2>got to know, Okay, I have unconscious bias. My preference

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:51.159
<v Speaker 2>is going to be for people who look like my

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 2>daughter or my cousin, or someone who I think looks

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 2>like a boss. And what does that mean. Help people

0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 2>understand the way that they're approaching, Help them understand how

0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 2>they can look at a hundred resumes and not unconsciously

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:05.439
<v Speaker 2>go for the ones that have names that sound like

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:08.080
<v Speaker 2>whatever role they're looking for. You know, people need that

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:10.159
<v Speaker 2>type of training. And you give people a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>power to screw you up. If you're the head of

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:14.920
<v Speaker 2>a company and you don't want to look like you're

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:19.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, out of touch with what's happening in modern society.

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:20.679
<v Speaker 2>You're giving people a lot of power to do that

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 2>when you say hire whoever you want. Another thing about

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 2>hiring and I credit my friend Baron who works at

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:30.560
<v Speaker 2>a big company. Can I see where he works? Probably not. Anyway,

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 2>it's a big social media company and he is on

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:36.440
<v Speaker 2>the task force. And what they're doing is they're asking

0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 2>for more specific performance reviews because you may not realize,

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 2>but the way that performance reviews are structured can often

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 2>work against people of color and it just gives way

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 2>to bias again, to creep in. And the way that

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 2>it can do that is if you have, like often

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 2>you have ratings, you know, how is someone doing or

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, what do they need to do to get

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<v Speaker 2>to the next level of their position that they're working at,

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:03.440
<v Speaker 2>And if it's not very specific, like if there aren't

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 2>objective specific metrics for what does it take to be

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 2>level one? What does it take to be level two

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 2>or level three? If you can't explain that to someone

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:16.680
<v Speaker 2>and it's all the same requirement across the company, then

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 2>you're leaving it up to people to decide what their

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 2>own opinions and their own subjective thoughts who's ready for

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 2>a promotion or who's worthy of a promotion. So you

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 2>need to really define those things if you're going to

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 2>be doing performance reviews and saying those performance reviews and

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 2>ratings can influence, you know, raises, promotions and things like that.

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 2>So shout out to him for giving me that idea.

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 2>And small shit like our company didn't give MLK day off. Okay,

0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 2>we have unlimited PTO And one time I caught myself

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 2>someone asked me recently. They were like, oh, we don't

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.080
<v Speaker 2>get oh it was around the holiday. Duah, we don't

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 2>get mlkday off.

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 4>Why is that?

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 2>And I started, and I started, I was like, oh,

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 2>well we have we have unlimited PTO, so if you

0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:58.240
<v Speaker 2>want to take the day off, you can take the

0:29:58.280 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 2>day off. In the back of my head, I'm thinking,

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 2>what the fun am I saying? Why am I making

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 2>excuses for this? Yeah, why don't we have MLK day off.

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 2>It like those little things send a message to your

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 2>black employees. And that's why that's why we have all

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, everyone's got Juneteenth off. And if your

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 2>company does not have MLK day off, like, what are

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 2>they telling you? What are they telling you? They're telling

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 2>you that other days are more important, that they matter more.

0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's a that is just a message that

0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 2>you don't it's such as it's a message that you

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 2>don't know you're sending, but you're sending one when you

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 2>don't have days like that off. Let's see dress codes.

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:32.120
<v Speaker 2>If you have a dress code at your company that

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 2>can potentially be discriminatory to people of color, ask them

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 2>to eliminate it, whether it's a certain way that you're

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 2>told to dress so that you can or wear your

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 2>hair or anything like that. I think in some states

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 2>it's even illegal now to tell people how to wear

0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 2>their hair to the office. But I know some companies

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 2>maybe we'll be trying to get around that. So keep

0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 2>your eyes out for that pay equity study. So how

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 2>are you paying women and men and different races at

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 2>your company? And is it equitable? This is really freaking

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 2>hard to do, and as a hiring manager. I have

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 2>seen how pay disparities creep in accidentally, even with well

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 2>meeting managers, including myself at the table. But that doesn't

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 2>mean you can't correct it. You know when you see it,

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 2>but you can't correct it unless everyone is on the

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:19.080
<v Speaker 2>same page that we need to correct it. And those

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:21.400
<v Speaker 2>are just a few things. I will save the rest

0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 2>and put it in a dock. But I hope this

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 2>is helpful to you guys and feel empowered. I think

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 2>now now is the time to ask for these types

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 2>of things and be a little bit brave because they

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>seem to want to listen, and we need to hold

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 2>them accountable. Like if we don't continue bringing this up,

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 2>if your social media feed goes back to normal, shake

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 2>it up, post something you know, don't let people forget,

0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 2>don't let them off the hook. Let's let's do something

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 2>while we can.

0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 3>What I love is that what people have been doing

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 3>with Breonna Taylor, right. I don't know if you've seen

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:57.239
<v Speaker 3>It'll be something like it's such a really nice day

0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 3>outside and Breonna Taylor's.

0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 4>Killers are still on the lofty.

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 3>Someone wrote, like one of my friends actually went viral

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 3>shout to Tayshawn.

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 4>He wrote, because right now.

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:09.920
<v Speaker 3>We're also annoyed by the dag on firecrackers, going, I

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 3>don't know where you live they're doing it, but here

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:16.200
<v Speaker 3>around here. I mean everyone's been complaining my timeline fee,

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 3>these damn firecrackers. Someone was like, you know what, you knew?

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 3>Who you should call if you're really annoyed by the firecrackers? Uh?

0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 4>The governor?

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 3>Because Breonna Taylor's killers are still on the loose, so

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 3>everyone is tying it back to why have they not

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 3>been prosecuted? Why have they not been arrested? And so yeah,

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 3>just like to.

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<v Speaker 1>Your point, keeping the points in.

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 3>People's faces, not letting people forget, keep saying it yeah.

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 2>And say their name, Yeah, say their name.

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 4>So that was great.

0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 3>And honestly, the payscale thing, people say that it's bullshit

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 3>because I mean, I know, I'm not a huge company,

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 3>but we created a pay system, like we literally created

0:32:56.600 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 3>it from scratch, my CFO and I my R CFO

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:05.600
<v Speaker 3>and I because I wanted to have pay transparency, but

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 3>in a way that you couldn't necessarily guess what everybody

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 3>else is paying so getting paid. So we created this

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 3>color coded system where you know your color, so like

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 3>Interurn is yellow, and C suite, it's pink and purple.

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 3>It's like, you know, it might be like someone who

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 3>has a liaison with one that works on one project

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 3>and blue is a LEAs young that works on two.

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 3>So we color coded so you know your color, and

0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 3>behind the scenes, myself, the CFO, and the and our

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 3>book keeper knows your color.

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 4>So it's the only people who know.

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 3>And then in each color sequence, you know exactly what

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 3>the like, what the job entails, so you can see

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 3>what you have to do to move from one color

0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 3>to the next. And then also in each color sequence,

0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 3>there are three pay pay markers where like this is

0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:59.960
<v Speaker 3>beginning paid. So let's just say intern beginning pay is say,

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 3>like I don't know, al let's pretend it's like fifteen bucks,

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:05.720
<v Speaker 3>and then it's like middle pay seventeen and fifty and

0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 3>then n pay twenty dollars an hour. So you might

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 3>come in as a brand new intern. We don't have

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:11.320
<v Speaker 3>to wonder what is the brand new intern going to

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 3>make fifteen bucks? And then if they stay long enough

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 3>and they do a great job, you know that the

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:17.719
<v Speaker 3>next bump up is going to be seventeen fifty. But

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 3>then you, as an intern might actually get hired, and

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, oh, I'm going to go from yellow to green,

0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:26.800
<v Speaker 3>and depending on where I land, I'm going to land

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:29.479
<v Speaker 3>at maybe twenty five bucks an hour. So it makes

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 3>it so everyone can kind of see what they could

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 3>be making, and you can kind of guess what other

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:36.880
<v Speaker 3>people might be making, but you don't know for sure,

0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:38.840
<v Speaker 3>Like everybody knows who's on the c suite, who's on

0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:40.560
<v Speaker 3>the lead team, so you know, oh, the lead team

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.839
<v Speaker 3>is in the pink, but that's a big range. It's

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:45.719
<v Speaker 3>like a twenty thousand dollars range there. So it gives

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 3>you enough of an idea of what you could possibly

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:50.319
<v Speaker 3>be making and maybe what other people on the lead

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:52.839
<v Speaker 3>team are making, but you don't know specifically what each

0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 3>individual person is making.

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:55.279
<v Speaker 4>So we created that chart.

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 3>It took us a couple of weeks to get it

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 3>like perfectly tweaked, and what happens is as the company

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 3>does better, we will update. So I remember one of

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:09.960
<v Speaker 3>my goals was I wanted that the lowest paid person

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.400
<v Speaker 3>on the team was twenty dollars an hour, and so

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 3>we've been slowly but surely like upgrading the full chart.

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 3>So what might happen is that you might be blue

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:21.799
<v Speaker 3>level two and you're making sixty thousand dollars a year,

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:25.120
<v Speaker 3>but as because we've totally upgraded the chart. Now you're

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 3>making sixty two thousand dollars a year because the chart

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 3>has upgraded, So we're I don't, I personally feel like

0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:33.840
<v Speaker 3>we're not quite paying market rate just yet because I

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:35.960
<v Speaker 3>want to do even better than market rate. So until

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 3>we get to that point, then you know, then we'll

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 3>start we'll stop doing that full complete upgrade because they

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 3>get individual raises, but then we do what I call

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:48.880
<v Speaker 3>like just a total company wide raises because we're wanting to,

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, do right by the people that work with us,

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:51.759
<v Speaker 3>so ways.

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Can be made to make absolutely you know, yeah, and

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:57.840
<v Speaker 2>thank you for doing that, because I'm sick of people

0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 2>coaching people on how to negotiate salary. It shouldn't be

0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:03.840
<v Speaker 2>all the pressure. I mean, in some cases, sure you

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 2>should stand up for what you want, but like women

0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 2>and minorities, like why do we have to figure out

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:12.359
<v Speaker 2>the Rubik's cube of salary negotiations and read all these

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:14.439
<v Speaker 2>articles telling us what to ask but not to ask,

0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 2>what to wear we're not to wear who like? So

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:18.320
<v Speaker 2>that you can figure out how to get paid fairly,

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 2>like that should not be the way that it is.

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 2>And this is what we I'm talking about when I

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 2>say systems, we're trying to conform ourselves and learn how

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 2>the system works. This system should work for us, Like

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:29.920
<v Speaker 2>why don't you just pay your people equitably? And I

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 2>would have to sit here and guess what I think exactly.

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 3>And even it's fair because it's like, well regardless, so

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 3>when someone comes in, it's not like are they making

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 3>more than me? No, No, they're in that they're they're

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:42.319
<v Speaker 3>blue because they have two projects just like you, and

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.359
<v Speaker 3>depending on where they land, you know, and somebody might

0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:48.640
<v Speaker 3>make more, but you're both blue.

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 4>So it's almost like you're part of a cohort.

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:52.279
<v Speaker 3>And so what I do is I look at like, oh,

0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:54.720
<v Speaker 3>this cohort hasn't got a raisin, while is everybody performing?

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:57.479
<v Speaker 3>That cohort moves up, But it just gives it gives

0:36:57.480 --> 0:36:59.319
<v Speaker 3>me a point of reference or we're not because back

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:01.480
<v Speaker 3>in the day I just used to I guess she

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:02.480
<v Speaker 3>makes twenty dollars an hour.

0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 4>I didn't even know.

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:05.520
<v Speaker 3>So it's even it makes it easier even on the

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 3>decision making side about how to pay people. So to me,

0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:11.280
<v Speaker 3>systems are one of the ways that you can stamp

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:14.879
<v Speaker 3>out racial bias and bias in other ways that if

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:18.440
<v Speaker 3>people adopt systems, because people are human beings, you know,

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:22.480
<v Speaker 3>there's no I have bias, There's no way for me

0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 3>not to. And so that's why leading out systems is

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 3>just one of the ways. But no, I think that

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 3>to me, I just I feel more hopeful. I love

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:33.520
<v Speaker 3>the fact that there are people like you out there,

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 3>people like me who are out there because they're the key.

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 3>We can't all divest from the system. People are going

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:41.760
<v Speaker 3>to be working for companies. So those who are working

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 3>for companies, I want you to be the Mandy while

0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 3>you're there, you know. And so thanks Mandra.

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Thanks Teff. Do you want some good breaking news real quickly? Yes,

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Husbe is standing in line to vote on our behalf.

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Because it's a long story. They are only like five

0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 2>voting places for the New York primary primary in mind

0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:04.040
<v Speaker 2>in Town, down from sixty last time. Like anyway, the

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 2>line was three hours long. But while he's there, he's

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:08.200
<v Speaker 2>sending me news alerts. The officer and the shooting death

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:12.360
<v Speaker 2>that Breonna Taylor in Louisville, Kentucky has been fired Okay,

0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:14.759
<v Speaker 2>so that's that is your update. Okay, so that one

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:15.880
<v Speaker 2>officer has been fired.

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so we's got two more to go? Is it

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:18.879
<v Speaker 4>two more?

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:21.360
<v Speaker 2>I was it three?

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:22.319
<v Speaker 4>Yes? I believe.

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Well if for those of you who don't follow Amanda Seals,

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 3>she's got this awesome chart where it's like almost like her.

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:31.840
<v Speaker 3>There's almost like literally she's like check fired because the

0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 3>chart goes like fired, arrested, prosecuted, convicted, So she has

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:38.840
<v Speaker 3>like a check and I believe I remember seeing three faces.

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, okay, indicted. And people need to understand how

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:44.239
<v Speaker 2>the system can work too. I know that this is

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 2>a very long, buzzworthy and let's just let it happen

0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:48.719
<v Speaker 2>because this is the one point because people, if you

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:52.560
<v Speaker 2>are voting in primaries, primary is important because it dictates

0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:54.160
<v Speaker 2>who's actually going to end up on the ballot for

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:56.759
<v Speaker 2>the general election. But what you need to understand in

0:38:56.800 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 2>these and with the criminal justice system, often it's the

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:02.880
<v Speaker 2>people that you don't think about. It's judges, it's district attorneys.

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 2>They're the ones who have the power to prosecute these people.

0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:08.320
<v Speaker 2>So pay attention to these elections. And that's why I'm glad,

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm sad that my husband's in a two

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 2>hour long, two hour line, wait, two hour long line,

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:18.759
<v Speaker 2>Thank you brain forgiving me that sentence to vote right now.

0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:21.200
<v Speaker 2>But I'm excited that so many people are coming out

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 2>here because you need to understand how the system works

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:26.160
<v Speaker 2>and that you can vote in a way that changes it.

0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:28.759
<v Speaker 2>Because waiting until November to vote for your president, yeah,

0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 2>that can that can have an impact, obviously, and please,

0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:35.919
<v Speaker 2>please do help get enough, But it's these other ones too,

0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:40.200
<v Speaker 2>and real, real quick. Anecdote. I went to a rally

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:43.960
<v Speaker 2>near my house in I live in the suburbs outside

0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:46.319
<v Speaker 2>of New York. I went to a rally in Black

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Lives Matter rally was the last Tuesday. I biked over there.

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Ran from the baby and the husband before they gave

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 2>me any reason not to, just ran. I got on

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 2>my bike and ran for it, or I biked for it.

0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 2>And there was a man there who was sharing a

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 2>story of his father who was shot by police in

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:07.799
<v Speaker 2>my town eight years ago. And he literally could like

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 2>they literally had audio of the entire murder, the police

0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:14.479
<v Speaker 2>calling him the N word, and the judge in this case,

0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:17.319
<v Speaker 2>the judge in the Court of Appeals decided there wasn't

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:20.440
<v Speaker 2>enough evidence to support that it was a hate crime

0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 2>and did not rule in their favor. And I'm just

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.040
<v Speaker 2>I just want you guys to know, like the momentum

0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 2>right now around George Floyd's death and others that have

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:32.520
<v Speaker 2>that have been swept up in this moment, this is

0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:36.400
<v Speaker 2>crucial and it's it's it's it's great that they're getting

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 2>so much attention, but are there other George Floyd's in

0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:42.360
<v Speaker 2>your community that need to be amplified right now? I

0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 2>feel at peace that the world will take Brianna and

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.919
<v Speaker 2>George and hopefully find justice for them. Not the world,

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:54.840
<v Speaker 2>the nation. I'm right now fighting for Kenneth Chamberlain Senior,

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.880
<v Speaker 2>who was that man sixteen years old murdered by police

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:01.000
<v Speaker 2>in my town eight years ago. Learning about these cases

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:02.839
<v Speaker 2>so that I can figure out how can I help

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 2>in my community with amplify the voices that maybe you're

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 2>not getting nationwide attention right now. And I hope that

0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:11.560
<v Speaker 2>you guys do as well, or encourage the people in

0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:13.879
<v Speaker 2>your life who are trying to be allies, encourage them

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.560
<v Speaker 2>to do some research and help and call your local officials.

0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:20.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure Minneapolis and Louisville phone are ringing, not the hook,

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:23.920
<v Speaker 2>but what about your town, Like what about your district attorney?

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 2>How what have they done in terms of criminal justice?

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 2>And who are the George Floyd's and your community that

0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 2>needs to be amplified as well. Wow, I'm really up

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:35.000
<v Speaker 2>onto my soapbox today.

0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh it's good.

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:38.480
<v Speaker 2>We planned out the show and then I was like, hey.

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 1>No, it's good.

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:40.919
<v Speaker 4>It needs to be said.

0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 3>I feel because I feel like the last few shows

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 3>were just you know, we were emoting, and so now

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 3>I feel like it's awesome to give people like so

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:53.000
<v Speaker 3>what to do with that energy? You know? And so

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:55.439
<v Speaker 3>I think that part it's important to get the emotion out,

0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 3>to feel the sadness, to feel the anger. But now

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.399
<v Speaker 3>it's like it's now about now what what can we do?

0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:04.440
<v Speaker 3>And I feel like, yes, I love that that this

0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:07.800
<v Speaker 3>is what this you know that this this episode is

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 3>mostly about.

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 4>It's like, no, this is what the actual work looks like.

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 3>Work in action allyeship is an action word, right, so

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:15.680
<v Speaker 3>it's a verb.

0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:16.799
<v Speaker 4>So what does that look like?

0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 3>How do you actively become an ally or just if

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:22.759
<v Speaker 3>you know, even if you are part of the community

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:28.719
<v Speaker 3>that has you know, regularly experienced a systemic racism. What

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:30.400
<v Speaker 3>does that look like on your end? What does the

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:32.280
<v Speaker 3>work look like? So no, I love.

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 2>This, I love it too. All right, shl We take

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 2>a quick break though, and come back.

0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:37.960
<v Speaker 4>We shall.

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:41.719
<v Speaker 2>All right, be right back, y'all with a boost on

0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:43.839
<v Speaker 2>a break or a break or a boost, we'll see

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 2>questions or question that's right, we get those two. We

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 2>still have questions. We'll get to some questions.

0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:51.399
<v Speaker 4>All right, be right back.

0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 2>All right, guys, we are back back with our usual

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 2>segment where we take your questions again. Hit us up

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Brand Ambition Podcast at gmail dot com with your questions,

0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 2>or you can go to Instagram and direct message us.

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:38.160
<v Speaker 2>I will be there to accept your messages and hopefully

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:39.920
<v Speaker 2>we can get to one on the show. Just let

0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 2>us know if you want to be anonymous or not

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:43.439
<v Speaker 2>at the top of your message, so I don't read

0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 2>it and I have to go back and do it

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.240
<v Speaker 2>all over again because I said your name, sorry in advance.

0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 2>That's happened to you, all right. Our first question comes

0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:55.160
<v Speaker 2>from an Instagram user. We will just call her Amy. Hey, guys,

0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:57.480
<v Speaker 2>my name is Amy. My friend called me yesterday seeking

0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:01.799
<v Speaker 2>support and also advice selling her furniture. So she can move,

0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 2>and a buyer sent her a check. The check cleared,

0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 2>deposited into her account, and the buyer slash scammer then

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.160
<v Speaker 2>asked her to send money to a moving truck company

0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:14.480
<v Speaker 2>via ze so the couch could be picked up. What

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 2>was that?

0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 1>No, And I'm just saying, oh god, I know the scam.

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. That sounded like sorry, like a scam.

0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Like oh that sounded like blur witch project. I'm like, no,

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 2>I say, oh God, I know the scam. Very welcome, Okay,

0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:31.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm reading it very well. So you're just on the

0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:32.799
<v Speaker 2>tip of ear, You're like on the edge of your seat.

0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:35.560
<v Speaker 2>That's good, Okay, I have never heard of the scam.

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:37.279
<v Speaker 2>This is just like blow my mind, all right. The

0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:39.840
<v Speaker 2>check clear deposited into her account. Then the buyer asked

0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:41.960
<v Speaker 2>her to send money to the moving truck company via

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:44.760
<v Speaker 2>zel so the couch could be picked up. The movers

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:47.840
<v Speaker 2>never came, however, my friend reached out again and the

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:50.799
<v Speaker 2>scammer did the same thing again, sent her another check,

0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 2>which she deposited, and then transferred money from her cash

0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:57.120
<v Speaker 2>app to another moving company. Furniture was of course, never

0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:59.480
<v Speaker 2>picked up, and when my friend went to review her account.

0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:02.240
<v Speaker 2>The checks that looked like they had cleared had actually

0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:05.600
<v Speaker 2>been canceled. She's lost over four thousand dollars from this

0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:08.719
<v Speaker 2>whole ordeal and feels really dumb slash terrible about it.

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.920
<v Speaker 2>She's contacting her bank and going to file whatever claim

0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:14.279
<v Speaker 2>she can, but at this point the money is gone

0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:18.640
<v Speaker 2>and she can't stop the transactions because Thelle recipients accepted

0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:21.440
<v Speaker 2>the payment. I'm wondering if you have any other advice

0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:23.279
<v Speaker 2>or step she can take. Thanks for all of you,

0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:26.319
<v Speaker 2>and Tiffany do I'm a weekly podcast listener. Thank you.

0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:26.720
<v Speaker 3>Amy.

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so, Tiffany, you've heard about this.

0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 3>Scams because so back in the day when I was young,

0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm still young, don't play me. So yeah, So back

0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:38.359
<v Speaker 3>in the day when I used to do, I used

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 3>to hit up Craiglist a lot because I was looking for,

0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:42.800
<v Speaker 3>like to make extra money when I was a teacher.

0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:46.400
<v Speaker 3>That scam it was so prevalent that I would actually

0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:47.759
<v Speaker 3>go into the bank and they had like a sign

0:45:47.880 --> 0:45:50.720
<v Speaker 3>up and I almost fell for it. So what happened

0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:53.799
<v Speaker 3>was I saw that at Craigslist they said they were

0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:56.320
<v Speaker 3>looking for a tutor. I was like, Okay, that sounds awesome.

0:45:56.920 --> 0:45:59.840
<v Speaker 3>And they sent me the money ahead of time, and

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 3>they sent me let's just say, I can't remember what

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:02.400
<v Speaker 3>it was.

0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:03.759
<v Speaker 4>Maybe the tutoring was going to be.

0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:06.520
<v Speaker 3>Five hundred dollars, but they sent me a thousand dollars

0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:10.280
<v Speaker 3>check and they were like, you know, deposit the money

0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:13.879
<v Speaker 3>because they were a foreign exchange student or something like that,

0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:16.600
<v Speaker 3>and if I could return five hundred to them.

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:18.719
<v Speaker 4>It was weird. I just remember it being like, why

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 4>are you overpaying me?

0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:21.359
<v Speaker 3>So I got the check. I remember looking at it.

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:23.160
<v Speaker 3>I remember I brought it to the bank. They were like, no,

0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:24.960
<v Speaker 3>it looks like a real check. And I was like,

0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:25.399
<v Speaker 3>but it.

0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 4>Just seemed odd, like, Hm, why are they paying me extra?

0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:30.480
<v Speaker 3>And I guess they realized that I was feeling a

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:32.600
<v Speaker 3>little suspicious, so they actually emailed me. Was like, no,

0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:35.080
<v Speaker 3>we could jump on a call, and you know, I

0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:37.080
<v Speaker 3>can walk you through why I'm doing it this way,

0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:41.440
<v Speaker 3>because you know, the person claimed that they were they

0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:44.680
<v Speaker 3>lived in Thailand and their daughter was a student here

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 3>in the US and they wanted, I guess, to give

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:49.080
<v Speaker 3>the money to her while she was here in the US.

0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, okay. So anyway, John that was

0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:55.520
<v Speaker 3>his name, called me and I wasn't looking at the

0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:59.440
<v Speaker 3>number one. I picked up the phone and I heard hello. Honestly, Mandy,

0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:01.720
<v Speaker 3>I was like, one of my uncles called me because

0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:02.120
<v Speaker 3>I know.

0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 4>A Nigerian accent. Meanwhile, John from Thailand, and.

0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:07.279
<v Speaker 3>I was like, Uncle Tony. He said, no, this is

0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:11.640
<v Speaker 3>John from Thailand. I was like, wait, well, I actually looked.

0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:11.799
<v Speaker 1>At the phone.

0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:14.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I don't understand, because I thought if totally

0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 3>playing a joke. I was like John from Thailand.

0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:17.759
<v Speaker 4>He said, no, you don't. I gave you my check.

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:20.640
<v Speaker 4>I was like, then I was like, you know what wrong?

0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:24.279
<v Speaker 3>My damn people, I was like god started. I was like,

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:26.280
<v Speaker 3>first of all, I'm Nigerian. I could spot your accent

0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:28.719
<v Speaker 3>a mile away. I can also tell that you sound emo,

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:29.840
<v Speaker 3>and I can also tell.

0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:31.840
<v Speaker 4>He was like, eh, you have their own.

0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:35.839
<v Speaker 3>Click and I remember being like so then I knew, okay,

0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:38.960
<v Speaker 3>obviously this is a scam. But then the scam became

0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:43.360
<v Speaker 3>so popular because the problem is is that the bank

0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:46.479
<v Speaker 3>will deposit the check and it will at first look

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:50.080
<v Speaker 3>like a real check, and it will look like so

0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:52.600
<v Speaker 3>they will kind of like front you the money and

0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:54.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, by the time the bank finds out the

0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:58.600
<v Speaker 3>check is fake you've already withdrawn the money, so it's

0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 3>very frustrating. Like I said it, it's huge about I

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:03.719
<v Speaker 3>want to say, ten, fifteen, twenty years ago. It was

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:06.600
<v Speaker 3>just happening so often. The bank literally used to have

0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:08.000
<v Speaker 3>signs in the actual bank.

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:09.040
<v Speaker 4>So this is what you can do.

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.640
<v Speaker 3>So the Federal Trade Commission has been hearing about the

0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:14.680
<v Speaker 3>scam over and over and over, and so this is

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:17.279
<v Speaker 3>what your friend can do. It says here on their

0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 3>site that if you want to learn more about what

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:21.160
<v Speaker 3>to do if you've already sent the money to a scammer,

0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:25.480
<v Speaker 3>visit f for Federal t for Trade c for Commission

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:32.560
<v Speaker 3>dot gov slash gift cards, so because oftentimes they'll there'll

0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 3>be some sort of gift card involved, but these people

0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:36.399
<v Speaker 3>were a little bit slick and having you pay them

0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:39.840
<v Speaker 3>via zel to you know, to whatever fake moving company.

0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:42.520
<v Speaker 3>But that's what I would go to FTC dot gov

0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:45.879
<v Speaker 3>forward slash gift cards to see what you can do,

0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:53.320
<v Speaker 3>or even FTC dot gov forward slash complaint. And I don't, honestly,

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you're able to get your money back.

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.479
<v Speaker 1>Because I'm assuming Zell is.

0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:02.839
<v Speaker 3>Through your bank, and it's just such so unfortunate.

0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the thing about Zell and people. You should

0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:09.080
<v Speaker 2>really read the fine print when it comes to payment apps,

0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:13.920
<v Speaker 2>because when you transfer a payment through Zell, they ask

0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:18.040
<v Speaker 2>you like you're on the hook if you knowingly send

0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:20.880
<v Speaker 2>money to someone and it ends up being a scam

0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:23.520
<v Speaker 2>or they take the money and run away with it

0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:26.799
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, because you're the one you sent it to them.

0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:30.719
<v Speaker 2>I believe you are entitled to getting your money back

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:34.160
<v Speaker 2>if someone actually hacks into your account from Zell and

0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:35.799
<v Speaker 2>takes the money. But if you were the one, like

0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:39.040
<v Speaker 2>your friend, actually sent it to them, it's much harder

0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:41.239
<v Speaker 2>for her to make a case for getting it back

0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 2>from Zell. That being said, still I would I think

0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:46.319
<v Speaker 2>it's a great idea that you gave her to reach

0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:48.960
<v Speaker 2>out to her local representative. See if she can make

0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:52.399
<v Speaker 2>some noise locally and get some pressure on the bank.

0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they'll make an exception. Tweet about it that has

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:58.239
<v Speaker 2>worked time and time again. Tweet to Zell in the

0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 2>bank that she banks with, see if can be some

0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:05.040
<v Speaker 2>justice that is also moving companies. I just feel like

0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:07.359
<v Speaker 2>no one's ever had a good experience with a movie.

0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:09.600
<v Speaker 2>There's the root of all evil, right, am? I right

0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:10.280
<v Speaker 2>moving company.

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:12.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's just fun.

0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:16.960
<v Speaker 3>It's so much money. I just yeah, I don't, I couldn't.

0:50:17.000 --> 0:50:19.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's just so much money. The only thing,

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:21.880
<v Speaker 3>like I said, like the FTC does have they have

0:50:21.920 --> 0:50:25.359
<v Speaker 3>a list of different organizations that you can reach out

0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:27.080
<v Speaker 3>to depending on like who you how you get. I

0:50:27.080 --> 0:50:30.640
<v Speaker 3>don't see ze on that list, but it it It

0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:35.240
<v Speaker 3>doesn't hurt to google FTC this check scam and see

0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:38.360
<v Speaker 3>what what recourse you have. It's definitely something that the

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:41.560
<v Speaker 3>federal government is aware of and has been trying to

0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:44.680
<v Speaker 3>prevent and has tried to create some solutions for.

0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:46.920
<v Speaker 4>So that's the only thing I can say.

0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:49.560
<v Speaker 3>And obviously reach out to your bank obviously, but yeah,

0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:53.880
<v Speaker 3>just anybody who's ever listening. If any anyone gives you

0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:56.960
<v Speaker 3>a check and ask for you to send money from

0:50:57.000 --> 0:51:00.520
<v Speaker 3>that check, like ninety nine percent of the time, that's

0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:02.960
<v Speaker 3>a scam unless you know that person personally, So like

0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:05.000
<v Speaker 3>your mom, your sister, or your uncle, you know someone

0:51:05.000 --> 0:51:07.480
<v Speaker 3>that you you like, you know, but a stranger doing that,

0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:10.640
<v Speaker 3>that is they're getting slicker and slicker. And how they

0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:12.520
<v Speaker 3>do that scam, Like I said, back then, it was

0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:14.279
<v Speaker 3>a lot of tutoring. That's how they would get you.

0:51:14.520 --> 0:51:16.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm a foreign exchange student, you know, just send the

0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:19.160
<v Speaker 3>money back. I was this close to doing it, but,

0:51:19.320 --> 0:51:21.160
<v Speaker 3>like I said, because it just seemed weird.

0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:23.040
<v Speaker 4>I was like John from Thailand. John seems like a

0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:23.960
<v Speaker 4>weird name from Thailand.

0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:28.680
<v Speaker 2>And so that reminded me of Ivon Orgie's hpos. If

0:51:28.680 --> 0:51:30.520
<v Speaker 2>you watched her you went to her comedy show right

0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:34.640
<v Speaker 2>doing that, she talks about Nigerian scammers coming for her

0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:37.200
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, listen, I am not the one. Yes

0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:39.920
<v Speaker 2>do better, But like, what because.

0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:41.680
<v Speaker 3>You don't under say? I was like, because he was like, no,

0:51:41.760 --> 0:51:43.480
<v Speaker 3>this is John. So I put on my own accent.

0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:44.560
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I look at you.

0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:45.919
<v Speaker 4>You'll call.

0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:51.120
<v Speaker 1>He was like, I was like, yeah, you thought. I

0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:53.279
<v Speaker 1>was like, I can't believe it. You didn't even try

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:54.720
<v Speaker 1>to switch up your accent, Bro, who.

0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:55.160
<v Speaker 4>Are you fooling?

0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:59.080
<v Speaker 3>This is not a Tiwoodese accent. Well, I was just like, wow,

0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 3>the audicity so.

0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Third born child.

0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:07.080
<v Speaker 3>No, But I just remember thinking to myself, Wow, people

0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:10.279
<v Speaker 3>really do this. Yeah, it's just it's honestly, it's it's

0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:12.360
<v Speaker 3>really a shame because that's a lot of money to

0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:14.680
<v Speaker 3>be out of, and you know, it's very easy to

0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:17.160
<v Speaker 3>be sucked because it seems very plausible, like oh yeah, yeah,

0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:19.360
<v Speaker 3>no biggie. And plus till you think to yourself, the

0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:23.080
<v Speaker 3>check cleared at the bank, so no biggie, you know,

0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:26.920
<v Speaker 3>And honestly, I I banks have been more careful about

0:52:27.120 --> 0:52:29.239
<v Speaker 3>those things, Like literally, I remember there was a period

0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:30.799
<v Speaker 3>when I used to go to the bank if I

0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:33.040
<v Speaker 3>had a check, they would ask me, is this check

0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:33.719
<v Speaker 3>from your job?

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:35.320
<v Speaker 4>Is this check from somebody that you knew?

0:52:35.480 --> 0:52:37.080
<v Speaker 3>There was a period of a few months when I

0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:39.879
<v Speaker 3>guess that scam was on the rise when literally going

0:52:39.880 --> 0:52:42.880
<v Speaker 3>to the bank you would get those questions. So you know,

0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:46.120
<v Speaker 3>just everybody be on their their p's and q's because

0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:49.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, scammers don't sleep well.

0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much for your question, Amy, your good friend.

0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:55.520
<v Speaker 2>You guys continue sending us your questions. Brandabisson Podcast at

0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:58.279
<v Speaker 2>gmail dot com. That's up on the ground. We're at

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<v Speaker 2>Brandambisson podcast dot Are you said that at Brannamission podcast

0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:02.279
<v Speaker 2>on the gram.

0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:04.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and just welcome to the new listeners. Okay, oh

0:53:04.880 --> 0:53:05.360
<v Speaker 1>well we'll.

0:53:05.200 --> 0:53:06.320
<v Speaker 4>Talk about that in a minute.

0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's get into a brown boots, Brown Breaked and

0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:09.399
<v Speaker 2>the show.

0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:12.799
<v Speaker 1>Yes, bron Boos, brom break. Are you going booze? Are

0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:14.480
<v Speaker 1>you going to break? What you're gonna do? Mandy?

0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:19.200
<v Speaker 3>You see you know that's my I gotta gotta.

0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:19.839
<v Speaker 2>Go, gotta go, gotta go. Well, let's do our joint

0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:23.920
<v Speaker 2>boost first. Yea, right, Yes, we were featured. Are we

0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 2>still featured? I haven't looked in a minute.

0:53:26.280 --> 0:53:26.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:53:27.239 --> 0:53:27.879
<v Speaker 4>I'd say yes.

0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Spotify had featured us over the weekend in their by

0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Black curated podcast section on the front page of.

0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:39.240
<v Speaker 1>Spotify and which number one?

0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:41.840
<v Speaker 2>We were number one, which is a big effing deal.

0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:44.839
<v Speaker 2>And what was it? The business? It was by Black,

0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:51.200
<v Speaker 2>which is highlighted and spotlighted business podcast anchored by people

0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:57.319
<v Speaker 2>by black podcasters, And that was freaking amazing. I think

0:53:57.400 --> 0:53:59.120
<v Speaker 2>our listenership is up like fifty percent.

0:53:59.320 --> 0:53:59.920
<v Speaker 1>That's awesome.

0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:03.800
<v Speaker 2>So hey, hey, thanks for listening.

0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:04.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:54:04.200 --> 0:54:06.719
<v Speaker 2>I love that they featured the episode. They did too,

0:54:06.719 --> 0:54:09.360
<v Speaker 2>because often like iTunes will throw us a bone and

0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:11.279
<v Speaker 2>they'll feature us and curated lists. I think we're still

0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:14.440
<v Speaker 2>in like their their business podcast, curated lists or whatever.

0:54:14.840 --> 0:54:17.880
<v Speaker 2>But Spotify look like they actually went through and found

0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:19.839
<v Speaker 2>a show that they thought would resonate with people, which

0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:22.000
<v Speaker 2>was the episode where we talk about how Tiffany made

0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:27.400
<v Speaker 2>her first MILLI.

0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:25.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was awesome.

0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:28.880
<v Speaker 3>I was like people were messaging me from like honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>somebody was like someone was like, hey, I work for

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<v Speaker 3>Facebook as you know, the marketing X y Z and.

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<v Speaker 1>I love your your Love. I was like what.

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<v Speaker 3>She was like, I love the podcast and she was like,

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<v Speaker 3>like the fact that I said what just now because

0:54:41.400 --> 0:54:43.640
<v Speaker 3>she was like she was like, I was listening to

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<v Speaker 3>it saying what, and I was like, what does she

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<v Speaker 3>mean that?

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<v Speaker 1>I realized, Oh, I say that, I did say what.

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<v Speaker 3>I just say what a lotuse I don't even realize,

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<v Speaker 3>but yeah, that was Honestly, that was super awesome. Someone

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<v Speaker 3>took a screenshot and sent it to me on Facebook

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<v Speaker 3>and I thought, oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 4>I was so excited.

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<v Speaker 2>That was awesome for an ambition in the wild, We've

0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:06.319
<v Speaker 2>gotten a lot of love. I mean, listen, y'all want

0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:09.160
<v Speaker 2>to amplify. I feel like so many people are using

0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:12.719
<v Speaker 2>this moment to amplify black voices. And if we're those

0:55:12.800 --> 0:55:15.400
<v Speaker 2>voices that you want to amplify, thank you very much,

0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:20.200
<v Speaker 2>because you know, I hate to think it, but people

0:55:20.239 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 2>do probably scroll on past our show looking to see

0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:26.920
<v Speaker 2>someone they recognize in the face of their podcaster and

0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:29.200
<v Speaker 2>it's a damn shame. But we really thank you guys

0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:31.360
<v Speaker 2>for the extra attention. And if you're new to the show,

0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:34.759
<v Speaker 2>welcome exactly. And if you've been Rocket with the since

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, we love y'all and thank you again.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Wait, do you want to go next?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'll do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a boosty breaky like we were just talking.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a boost with.

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<v Speaker 3>A break after taste, or break with a boost after taste.

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<v Speaker 4>Either way.

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<v Speaker 3>I just wanted to give you guys a quick update

0:55:52.400 --> 0:55:56.640
<v Speaker 3>on my business coaching. So, as you know, hired a

0:55:56.640 --> 0:56:00.439
<v Speaker 3>business coach just so you know, I really a little

0:56:00.440 --> 0:56:03.279
<v Speaker 3>stagnant in my business and there were things that were

0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:05.759
<v Speaker 3>keeping us from going to the next level. So I

0:56:05.800 --> 0:56:09.080
<v Speaker 3>wanted to, you know, would it help like shifting those

0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:12.319
<v Speaker 3>internal things. So I'm excited about it. So the way

0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:15.359
<v Speaker 3>that coaching works is the actual coach himself. His name

0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:18.200
<v Speaker 3>is Zion. He's awesome. He works with myself and my

0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:21.239
<v Speaker 3>business partner. Every other week. It's like off and like

0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:24.360
<v Speaker 3>one week is just he and I individually, and he

0:56:24.360 --> 0:56:26.760
<v Speaker 3>works with my business partner individually, and then the next week,

0:56:27.000 --> 0:56:29.359
<v Speaker 3>it's the two of us together with his team, and

0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:32.520
<v Speaker 3>then his team actually meets with my team and infiltrates.

0:56:31.920 --> 0:56:34.280
<v Speaker 4>And like helps all around.

0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:37.040
<v Speaker 3>But the work that he does with my business partner,

0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:38.439
<v Speaker 3>I it's like internal work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's straight therapy, Barbie.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm learning things about myself that I'm like, I

0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:46.239
<v Speaker 3>do do that that's bad. And so here's one of

0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:48.880
<v Speaker 3>those I do do that that's bad. So I remember

0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:51.440
<v Speaker 3>back in the day, I told you, Mandra that I

0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:53.799
<v Speaker 3>kept what I call a bully friend. I always keep

0:56:53.840 --> 0:56:56.719
<v Speaker 3>a bully friend, right, yes, yes, And we.

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<v Speaker 2>Decided that I wasn't a bully friend. That I was nice,

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<v Speaker 2>but like with a touch of bolek.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, you're not a bully friend. So I

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<v Speaker 3>realized that it's not the bully friend, which I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of suspected it was me that instead I participate in

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<v Speaker 3>something called the drama triangle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, do your googles.

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<v Speaker 4>It's awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Well not really, because it's not a good thing, but

0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:20.800
<v Speaker 3>it was so good to put a name to this

0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:22.880
<v Speaker 3>pattern that I had. So the way the drama triangle

0:57:22.880 --> 0:57:25.480
<v Speaker 3>works is then there's three points to the triangle. One

0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:28.160
<v Speaker 3>of the points is the rescuer. Then the victim than

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<v Speaker 3>the persecutor. So the rescuer is where I find myself

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. I am a over giver. I am an

0:57:37.040 --> 0:57:39.120
<v Speaker 3>over sacrificer. I mean I'll be like, Oh, you can

0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:40.600
<v Speaker 3>have the last piece of chicken, even though you had

0:57:40.640 --> 0:57:41.840
<v Speaker 3>five pieces and I'm starving.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you can have the bigger bedroom even though I'm

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<v Speaker 1>paying more rent.

0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:45.640
<v Speaker 4>I don't mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you can have all the covers even though I'm freezing.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want.

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<v Speaker 3>That's me always like something along somewhere along the way,

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<v Speaker 3>I suspected my childhood. I decided that overgiving was a

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<v Speaker 3>good thing, like saying no, no no software Tiffany girl,

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<v Speaker 3>give me a suffer, love it right, And so so

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<v Speaker 3>I will be the rescuer. The rescuer is like they

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<v Speaker 3>do all the things, they help, all the things, they sacrifice,

0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:15.360
<v Speaker 3>all the things, and then at some point the rescuer

0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:18.600
<v Speaker 3>feels taken advantage of and they become the victim.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you move to the victim side of the triangle

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, oh my god, look how this person

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<v Speaker 1>is treating me.

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<v Speaker 3>They're taking so many things for me. Oh my god,

0:58:26.360 --> 0:58:29.200
<v Speaker 3>woe is me? Why is this my life. So I've

0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:32.000
<v Speaker 3>been there, done that, lived in it. And then the

0:58:32.080 --> 0:58:37.800
<v Speaker 3>victim starts to has enough, like you literally reach your

0:58:37.840 --> 0:58:39.560
<v Speaker 3>limit and it could be months, it could be days,

0:58:39.600 --> 0:58:41.080
<v Speaker 3>it could be years. For me, I like to do

0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:44.160
<v Speaker 3>it for some years, so years. And then one day

0:58:44.160 --> 0:58:47.280
<v Speaker 3>the victim blows up and says, no, mola, I'm stirning

0:58:47.360 --> 0:58:52.200
<v Speaker 3>up for myself, and then begins to like persecute the person, like,

0:58:52.560 --> 0:58:53.000
<v Speaker 3>you know.

0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:56.880
<v Speaker 1>You did this to me, You are terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>But honestly, the real issue is that when I'm participating

0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:05.600
<v Speaker 3>as the rescuer, I fail to set boundaries. It is

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<v Speaker 3>not someone else's I'm not too it is not.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of my favorite word. I just got a tangle bound.

0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:14.080
<v Speaker 3>Right, And I was like, oh, so it is not

0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:21.640
<v Speaker 3>someone else's job to magically know my boundaries. I was like, oh, so,

0:59:21.720 --> 0:59:25.200
<v Speaker 3>it's not that I'm quote unquote being bullied. It's just

0:59:25.320 --> 0:59:29.040
<v Speaker 3>that that person is unaware of my boundaries, and so

0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:32.200
<v Speaker 3>as I give, they receive, they're not actually necessary. Well

0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:34.080
<v Speaker 3>not to say that there are not people who don't take,

0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:36.560
<v Speaker 3>of course there are, but there are some people that

0:59:36.640 --> 0:59:39.120
<v Speaker 3>will continue to receive as long as you continue to give,

0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:41.960
<v Speaker 3>because they're of the assumption, Hey, you're an adult when

0:59:41.960 --> 0:59:43.520
<v Speaker 3>you don't want to give no more your stop. I

0:59:43.520 --> 0:59:45.080
<v Speaker 3>don't have a I don't have a turn off. I

0:59:45.080 --> 0:59:47.560
<v Speaker 3>will keep the water running. And I'm like, wait, so

0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:50.360
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna still still receive you take her, and it's

0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:53.360
<v Speaker 3>not necessarily that they're a taker. And so I wonder

0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:55.440
<v Speaker 3>to myself, well, how come it's not like that with

0:59:55.520 --> 0:59:57.760
<v Speaker 3>my husband? How comes not that like that with my

0:59:57.800 --> 1:00:00.880
<v Speaker 3>other like my my friends? And I realized as I

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<v Speaker 3>started to really dissect those friendships, is that Superman is

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<v Speaker 3>a natural giver as well. He actually creates the boundary

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<v Speaker 3>for us. So as I'm pouring into him, he will

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<v Speaker 3>turn off the falset and say no more. So I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like, oh, you know, look, I've set a boundary.

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<v Speaker 3>No no, no, you didn't set a boundary. He set

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<v Speaker 3>the boundary for you.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, oh, so.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have I have not I don't set boundaries.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't set boundaries. Then I feel taken advantage of.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I blow up, and then I start to like

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<v Speaker 3>persecute you, which really just means in my head, I'm

1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:37.160
<v Speaker 3>just telling myself how terrible of a person you are,

1:00:37.400 --> 1:00:38.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, which may or may not be true because

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<v Speaker 3>there are some people who are like legitimate takers. So

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<v Speaker 3>that is the drama triangle that I've been participating in

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<v Speaker 3>since I was in second grade. And I'm like, and

1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:47.320
<v Speaker 3>now that I'm forty, I'm like, I got.

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<v Speaker 2>It, so but I can know better?

1:00:51.000 --> 1:00:51.640
<v Speaker 4>You do better?

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<v Speaker 2>What at any age?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, And honest, I'm actually really excited about it. I'll

1:00:55.880 --> 1:01:00.320
<v Speaker 3>say this that probably maybe, like I don't know, seven

1:01:00.400 --> 1:01:04.120
<v Speaker 3>or eight years ago, I learned how to see the

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<v Speaker 3>mistakes that I make and not use them to tell

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<v Speaker 3>myself it makes me a bad person, me knowing that

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<v Speaker 3>I participate in the drama triangle and that there are

1:01:12.920 --> 1:01:15.480
<v Speaker 3>some relationships that probably ended unfairly and where I could

1:01:15.480 --> 1:01:18.440
<v Speaker 3>have done better. I actually I don't see that as Tiffany,

1:01:18.440 --> 1:01:22.360
<v Speaker 3>You're bad. It's oh, Tiffany, that wasn't a good thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't see it as me being a bad person.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm able to receive a critique and feedback without

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<v Speaker 3>letting it hurt me like I've I don't. I think

1:01:30.320 --> 1:01:32.080
<v Speaker 3>business has taught me that because you just get so

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<v Speaker 3>much critique and feedback that you have to learn how

1:01:34.680 --> 1:01:37.400
<v Speaker 3>to take it for what it is, which is an

1:01:37.400 --> 1:01:39.800
<v Speaker 3>opportunity to grow and change, but not to use it

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<v Speaker 3>as a tool to harm yourself. So I don't use

1:01:41.840 --> 1:01:44.360
<v Speaker 3>critique and feedback to harm myself. Like I could tell,

1:01:44.440 --> 1:01:47.280
<v Speaker 3>Zion was waiting for me to be like, you know, like,

1:01:47.360 --> 1:01:48.520
<v Speaker 3>am I going to feel bad about it?

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<v Speaker 1>I was like no, I was excited to put a

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<v Speaker 1>name to this.

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<v Speaker 3>Cycle that I kind of innately knew that I was

1:01:54.480 --> 1:01:56.360
<v Speaker 3>in but didn't have a name for it, and didn't

1:01:56.360 --> 1:01:59.400
<v Speaker 3>know because I couldn't name it and be specific about it,

1:01:59.480 --> 1:02:01.680
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't get out of the cycle. So he's teaching

1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:04.880
<v Speaker 3>me how to be an observer of my patterns and

1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:06.960
<v Speaker 3>then to break those patterns so I can do better.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm actually really excited. So if any of you

1:02:09.360 --> 1:02:10.720
<v Speaker 3>are like me, if you have scise up, some of

1:02:10.840 --> 1:02:14.280
<v Speaker 3>y'all hit me up on social and said, hey, Tiffany,

1:02:14.600 --> 1:02:16.160
<v Speaker 3>just like you, I have a hard time with the

1:02:16.200 --> 1:02:19.560
<v Speaker 3>hard conversations. I don't like confrontation, and I found what

1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:22.360
<v Speaker 3>that is. You don't set boundaries, and so I encourage

1:02:22.400 --> 1:02:24.800
<v Speaker 3>you to google the drama triangle, get your life. It

1:02:24.800 --> 1:02:26.840
<v Speaker 3>doesn't mean that you're a bad person, It just means

1:02:26.840 --> 1:02:29.240
<v Speaker 3>that it's a pattern we all have patterns that we

1:02:29.320 --> 1:02:31.520
<v Speaker 3>have to break, and some patterns are great and some

1:02:31.600 --> 1:02:33.760
<v Speaker 3>patterns are not so great like this, So that was

1:02:33.840 --> 1:02:35.640
<v Speaker 3>just like so it was like a I wouldn't even

1:02:35.640 --> 1:02:37.160
<v Speaker 3>say that was really a break. It was more like

1:02:37.160 --> 1:02:40.160
<v Speaker 3>a booster. But I mean, I'm being transparent, like you know,

1:02:40.320 --> 1:02:43.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm I don't I don't always show up as my

1:02:43.120 --> 1:02:45.439
<v Speaker 3>best self, but I'm excited about learning how to show

1:02:45.480 --> 1:02:45.880
<v Speaker 3>up better.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that wasn't all the way boost Yes, I'm

1:02:49.160 --> 1:02:54.320
<v Speaker 2>upgrade that I have an aftertaste of positivity and feeling boosted. Actually, no,

1:02:54.480 --> 1:02:56.160
<v Speaker 2>I love that, and I love that you're calling it

1:02:56.160 --> 1:02:58.280
<v Speaker 2>because this is this is what we talk about in therapy.

1:02:58.320 --> 1:02:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, is what I talk about in therapy is

1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:03.360
<v Speaker 2>the patterns like I come with I have. I'm so

1:03:03.640 --> 1:03:06.240
<v Speaker 2>self aware of the things that I've been doing my

1:03:06.280 --> 1:03:10.080
<v Speaker 2>whole life to protect myself and to become the person

1:03:10.160 --> 1:03:13.080
<v Speaker 2>I am today and be successful and how like it's

1:03:13.080 --> 1:03:15.240
<v Speaker 2>sort of how my therapist has told me. Sometimes you

1:03:15.280 --> 1:03:17.280
<v Speaker 2>fall in love with people, whether it's a friend or

1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:21.240
<v Speaker 2>a significant other or a colleague at work, the reasons

1:03:21.280 --> 1:03:22.800
<v Speaker 2>that you fall in love with them are often the

1:03:22.840 --> 1:03:26.360
<v Speaker 2>reasons why you end up hating them, like and how

1:03:26.480 --> 1:03:28.640
<v Speaker 2>anyway and how that can influence patterns in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's it's eye opening stuff. It's too bad that

1:03:30.920 --> 1:03:33.760
<v Speaker 2>you can't use your FSA card to pay for this

1:03:33.760 --> 1:03:35.240
<v Speaker 2>this business therapy.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, but I'm pretty I'm excited because so it's

1:03:39.560 --> 1:03:41.600
<v Speaker 3>like two hardcore bus but after this, I mean, i know,

1:03:41.680 --> 1:03:43.760
<v Speaker 3>I've been saying I need a therapist, but it's really

1:03:43.800 --> 1:03:48.160
<v Speaker 3>just like confirmed, Like Tiffany, you can get to the

1:03:48.200 --> 1:03:50.760
<v Speaker 3>meat and potatoes or what's happening much faster and get

1:03:50.760 --> 1:03:54.480
<v Speaker 3>the tools that you need to make life easier. Because

1:03:54.520 --> 1:03:57.400
<v Speaker 3>I literally had me look at every single relationship and

1:03:57.480 --> 1:04:00.640
<v Speaker 3>see how I recreate the dry I'm gonna try and

1:04:00.640 --> 1:04:03.800
<v Speaker 3>go in those relationships that allow me to because that

1:04:03.880 --> 1:04:06.080
<v Speaker 3>person is like, girl, I'm not setting your boundaries.

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<v Speaker 4>You're grown, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, so I'm something in me. I will

1:04:10.200 --> 1:04:13.440
<v Speaker 3>just say this is that I'm just so so grateful

1:04:13.640 --> 1:04:15.240
<v Speaker 3>that I had a little bit of the sense that

1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:19.080
<v Speaker 3>God gave me in picking a partner that did set boundaries,

1:04:19.160 --> 1:04:21.920
<v Speaker 3>or I would be a miserable somebody, you know, like

1:04:22.080 --> 1:04:25.280
<v Speaker 3>because the boyfriend I had before it would have just

1:04:25.320 --> 1:04:25.720
<v Speaker 3>been it.

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<v Speaker 1>Would have been terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>We would have it would have been victim, persecution, divorce.

1:04:30.640 --> 1:04:33.760
<v Speaker 3>But because Superman is like just really good at setting

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<v Speaker 3>those boundaries and he said he's an overgiver as well.

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<v Speaker 3>We have an awesome relationship, but I want to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to do better because it can even be

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<v Speaker 3>even better. Like, honestly, i was looking at like my

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<v Speaker 3>relationship with super Girl and I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, ah, it's the job a triangle. Yikes, Like let'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like I just so much. Why didn't she like me?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a victim? You know what, Maybe she's just ungrateful.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, girl, you don't say boundaries like you don't say boundaries.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not your father, it's a child.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know that, you know, Like we have a

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<v Speaker 3>decent relationship, but there will be moments when I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>what am I doing wrong?

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<v Speaker 4>You're in a volmill, try and go, that's what.

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<v Speaker 3>You're doing wrong, and so like, yeah, it just I

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<v Speaker 3>just feel so good about it. I'm just like, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I've just been just just that one conversation with him.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just like I feel like, even though it's only

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<v Speaker 3>been like a week, I just feel like I see

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<v Speaker 3>relationships differently and I'm more mindful of like like how

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<v Speaker 3>I'm participating and like the role that I play in them.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, So what about you?

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<v Speaker 4>What's your Boosty?

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<v Speaker 2>Breaky loves it. I'm so excited to hear more about

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<v Speaker 2>this business coaching real quick. My boost is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be I'm gonna skip. Let's talk about mortgage refinance next week.

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<v Speaker 2>How about that? Okay, because I will have more to say,

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<v Speaker 2>but I am refrainsing my mortgage and pray for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping that it goes well anyhow, Real quick boost

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<v Speaker 2>for rename Grady hashtag renamed Grady. This is the unofficial

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<v Speaker 2>official task force that I accidentally joined from my alma mater.

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<v Speaker 2>He created a grassroots campaign to not only strip my

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<v Speaker 2>journalism school that I graduated from of the name that

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<v Speaker 2>it's the of the man that it was named for,

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<v Speaker 2>because he was a white supremacist and extremely racist and

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<v Speaker 2>is quoted saying terrible things about the black race and

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<v Speaker 2>actively worked against our success as a people in the

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<v Speaker 2>New South. As he called it, strip the name the

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<v Speaker 2>strip to college of that name, but then also rename

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<v Speaker 2>it with a name that we think it truly symbolizes

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<v Speaker 2>the way forward for the college and that is to

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<v Speaker 2>name it for Charlene Hunter Galt, who you may not

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<v Speaker 2>she's not a household name, but in Georgia she's a

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<v Speaker 2>huge deal because she was one of the first two

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<v Speaker 2>black students to integrate the University of Georgia, where I

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<v Speaker 2>went to school, and this is the first public college

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<v Speaker 2>in the country, so it's a big effing deal. This

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<v Speaker 2>was in the nineteen early nineteen sixties, so Charlene, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's still with us today and we had a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a win. So the people who hold the power

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<v Speaker 2>to all the names of schools across the state of

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia's public institutions is a Board of Regions and they

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<v Speaker 2>have now formed a task force or sorry in an

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<v Speaker 2>advisory committee of their own to not just look at

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<v Speaker 2>this school's name, but all of the schools across the

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<v Speaker 2>university system of Georgia. So this is this is a

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<v Speaker 2>small win one. They didn't acknowledge why they were doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>other than the fact that oh, all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 2>they have a big change that or petition you know,

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<v Speaker 2>wanting and people are pushing for these colleges to be

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<v Speaker 2>you know, renamed and or just taken, you know, remove

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<v Speaker 2>the names of these white supremacists that are affiliated with them,

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<v Speaker 2>but they formed an advisory committee, so that is one

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<v Speaker 2>step in the right direction. But now, like I said earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>it's about accountability. So if you have started your own campaign,

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<v Speaker 2>or you see campaigns from your school or other institutions

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<v Speaker 2>that have symbols of white supremacists, or they are named

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<v Speaker 2>for white supremacists or people who genuinely worked against all

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<v Speaker 2>the values that we hold dear to ourselves today many

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<v Speaker 2>people do, such as inclusivity and equal access to education

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<v Speaker 2>and success no matter your race. I would say how

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<v Speaker 2>to hold them accountable is to not let them put

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<v Speaker 2>out a pressure release saying that they're going to look

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<v Speaker 2>at the problem and keep asking so what are you

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<v Speaker 2>going to do about it? Because acknowledging, like I said earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>saying you have a problem, you don't get a cookie

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<v Speaker 2>for telling me that you know you have a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, what are you going to do? So it

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<v Speaker 2>really it gave us a small win, but it also

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<v Speaker 2>like lit the fire under our bellies to keep pushing,

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<v Speaker 2>keep pushing, because they're looking at potentially removing the names

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<v Speaker 2>of all these colleges that are named for these you know,

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<v Speaker 2>historical figures that have problematic pass but are they renaming them?

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<v Speaker 2>And if they are, can we have a seat at

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<v Speaker 2>the table so that we can really push to get

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<v Speaker 2>Charlayne's name. To have a college named after a black

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<v Speaker 2>successful woman like that is rare and I really really

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<v Speaker 2>want to see it happen, So.

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<v Speaker 4>That would be awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>I love her, and she's just she's just she's amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>She's a she's a hero to any black student who's

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<v Speaker 2>ever walked through the University of Georgia and what she

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<v Speaker 2>had to endure. I mean, it's anyway, love her and

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<v Speaker 2>and we want to see this happen. And so shout

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<v Speaker 2>out to the whole you know, grassroots team who's working together.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about to go work on our social media as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as this podcast is over. But it feels good

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<v Speaker 2>to do something small, not something small.

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<v Speaker 4>But something bigful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, something meaningful, and in another area where I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I have a little bit of influence.

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<v Speaker 1>Yay, found up.

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<v Speaker 2>Applause for me renamed Grady, join the movement. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to know who Grady is or Charlayne, just retweet.

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<v Speaker 4>No, but that's that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Tag me and if you because you know, you tag

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<v Speaker 3>me in a in a story, I can I can

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<v Speaker 3>repost it, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>How it's like sharious share the story.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, tag me the story, and now all we share

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<v Speaker 3>its my folks, and it's become quite a good tradition

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of the show. You know, I've been

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<v Speaker 3>giving you guys like idea accounts that either tickle me

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<v Speaker 3>or like, you know, just move me. So here's one

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<v Speaker 3>that's been tickling me. It's called Karen's Going Wild. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean you could just k no. I think it's called

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<v Speaker 3>Karen's Going Wild, which you can almost imagine what that is.

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<v Speaker 3>So just draw your own conclusions if you need a

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<v Speaker 3>little giggle, you're like, Lord have mercy. So yeah, back

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<v Speaker 3>when someone tagged me in that, and I just I've

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<v Speaker 3>been watching some of the videos like, well look at

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<v Speaker 3>this foolishness. So that is my IG account for the

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<v Speaker 3>for the week, Karen's going.

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<v Speaker 2>Wild, Bless your heart. Someone sent me Karen's in the Wild,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like an I think it's probably similar, but.

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<v Speaker 4>That's probably they've been popping up.

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<v Speaker 2>I find Karen so triggering. I can't I can't watch.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just because with a person actually like digs that

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<v Speaker 3>behind right back, like Karen, which you're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>do it.

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<v Speaker 4>So I look for those I'm like, yes, you tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Them, yes, absolutely, Karen's going wild. Oh god, if you

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<v Speaker 2>see call the Karen's out. We just need to you

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<v Speaker 2>need to have done with them, all right. I did

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<v Speaker 2>follow what was wardy talk?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and she's lasting.

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<v Speaker 2>She's really awesome, yeah, really funny and not funny, but

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<v Speaker 2>just real. I love how real her. She reminds me

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<v Speaker 2>of my approach to social media, which is just come

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<v Speaker 2>as you are, who cares, say what's on your heart?

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<v Speaker 2>And she broke down what did she break down? Oh

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<v Speaker 2>the white savior in film. And I sent that right

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<v Speaker 2>to my mother and my sister because they are just

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<v Speaker 2>blessed their hearts. They're just soaking up every piece of

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<v Speaker 2>education they can about about white privilege. And they enjoyed

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<v Speaker 2>it too.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yes, Wordy Dot Talk.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the other one before that was Tony Baker

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<v Speaker 3>comedy just because you just need a giggle.

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<v Speaker 4>He's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>So Karen's gone wild, and I think that's cute to

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<v Speaker 3>end the show with. You know, an ig account that

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<v Speaker 3>brings you to some joy, some upliftment, some laughter or otherwise,

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<v Speaker 3>or education, so Hi manage all right, be real