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Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, we're back. We're black, we're brown ambition.

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Speaker 2: Hey man, you're black and the black black black black.

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Speaker 2: I love that because you know what we do not have,

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Speaker 2: Like the the mystery is now solved. Like I feel

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Speaker 2: like everyone knows I'm black now and I don't have

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Speaker 2: to hide it. But it's like people who don't see color.

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Speaker 2: It's like I feel free. I feel free, a little

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Speaker 2: bit free, and we can acknowledge our I just can't hid.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm black, and now you do you do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good song to do with it. What

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Speaker 2: is that flash chance?

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Speaker 1: I don't even know.

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Speaker 4: I'm so excited, Like, can we.

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Speaker 2: Choose to turners? Anyway? It's fine, it's not the cuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just I was chatting with some friends and I

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Speaker 2: was like, there's no going back for me. I can't

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Speaker 2: undo the truth that I'm speaking now. I can't go

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Speaker 2: back to the way I used to be, where I

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Speaker 2: tried to diminish myself to be more palatable to people.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I can go back. It feels too

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Speaker 2: good to just say what you think.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Oh did you see my husband broke this

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Speaker 2: news to me, Oh, I don't know what. I guess

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Speaker 2: I'm happy. I guess I'm relieved. But you know, Bubba

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Speaker 2: Wallace a NASCAR driver, Yes, the like one of I

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Speaker 2: think the only black NASCAR drivers. So he made a

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Speaker 2: lot of headlines. God, I never knew this man's name.

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Speaker 2: which was home of the NASCAR racetrack. Man. I just

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Speaker 2: steered very clear away from that because the whole business

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Speaker 2: of NASCAR is just steeped, I think, in racism, and

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Speaker 2: it's so attracts a crowd that you know that they

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Speaker 2: have a bad rap, you know. And Bubba Wallace came

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Speaker 2: out and supported the ban of the Confederate flags at

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Speaker 2: NASCAR rallies or whatever you call them. I don't I'm

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Speaker 2: not equipped to talk about this. Is it a sport whatever.

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Speaker 2: So NASCAR banned Confederate flags, and Bubba Wallace became at

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Speaker 2: least he just he was on all the morning shows.

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Speaker 2: That's how I saw him on the Today Show. First

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Speaker 2: of all, I mean, he's extremely handsome. Go check him

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Speaker 3: I saw him like a lot far away. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 2: I kind of imagine, like maybe real will look like

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Speaker 2: NASCAR totally backed him, which I was personally shocked by,

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Speaker 2: because I mean, I formed my opinion of the NASCAR

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Speaker 2: in and of itself. I should give people a chance,

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Speaker 2: but they have a terrible history behind them. Anyway, this

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Speaker 2: Bubba Wallace found what he thought was a noose hanging

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Speaker 2: this race or whatever, and in true like solidarity with him.

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Speaker 2: It was actually beautiful to see. There was this spiral

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Speaker 1: Well and some not so nice news.

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Speaker 3: Well, so I feel like, you know, we've all seen

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Speaker 4: We stand with Black Lives Matter.

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Speaker 3: We you know, if you know, to me, if you're

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Speaker 2: Ever since you mentioned Ben and Jerry's, I just saw

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Speaker 3: They're like, awesome, if you haven't googled Ben and Jerry's

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Speaker 3: Black Lives Matter statement, it's amazing. So this brand reached

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Speaker 4: I said, Oh my gosh, it sounds great. Dot in the.

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Speaker 3: Phone with one of their I don't know if she

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Speaker 3: Everything was sounding great, great, great great great until it

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Speaker 3: I just want to be honest, we don't have any

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Speaker 3: black employees. And I'm like, are you guys based in

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Speaker 3: like New Zealand or something. Oh no, Silicon.

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Speaker 4: Valley, oh and me at all?

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Speaker 2: Out of how many?

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Speaker 3: I said, what about contract workers, you know, because I

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Speaker 3: no contract workers. I said, even we have Nate. Nate

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Speaker 3: I said, even we a black women run business that

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Speaker 3: Heather my agent, Heather, my other agent la, but even

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Speaker 4: And she was just like, yeah, you know, we can

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Speaker 3: you take the black dollar, got it, you know? But

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Speaker 3: see how terrible that sounds? So you acknowledge that you

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you see what that sounds like?

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Speaker 3: Oh, but what we will do is get black Tiffany

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Speaker 2: Got it?

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Speaker 1: And she was like, no, no, that was not my

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Speaker 1: That's not what I meant.

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Speaker 4: I can see how that sounds. I'm like, it's not

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Speaker 3: And so she was like, well, you know it basically,

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Speaker 3: And I told her the truth is, I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to be pushing your product anymore. Well, if you're listening,

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Speaker 3: just so you know, we're not going to be pushing

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Speaker 3: is is that you know, we do have a policy

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Speaker 3: in place that the next like you know, the next

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Speaker 3: which it just seems so that's not it, sis like,

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Speaker 3: and I was like, because one, what are you hiring next?

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Speaker 3: And she's like, well, it is quarantine during the pandemic.

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Speaker 3: In other words, you're not hiring. So let's be clear

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Speaker 3: on that. And it's not about and actually use you

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Speaker 3: while I was there during the summer, they demoted him

432
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 3: to some other, like smaller job, and I just remember thinking,

433
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 3: And then they actually offered me a job there. And

434
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 3: the executive assistant to the president or the CEO, she

435
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 3: was the other black woman who actually worked.

436
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 4: She was an older black woman. She was like my

437
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 4: work mom.

438
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 3: She pulled me to the side and I'll never forget

439
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 3: and she said, I heard they offered your job. It

440
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 3: was like my second year interning, second or third year.

441
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 3: She said, I heard they offered your job, baby. I

442
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, you know, they're gonna pay good. She

443
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 3: was like, she said, you see what they did to Pernell.

444
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: Parnell is the you know, was the analyst that they

445
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 3: that they demoted. She said, you see where all the

446
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 3: other black people work. You take that job. You a

447
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 3: goddamn fool.

448
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what work?

449
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 3: I was like, work, mom, But honestly, she changed the

450
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 3: directing of my life because I was already miserable there.

451
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 3: But they were gonna pay me fifty thousand dollars, which

452
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 3: was such big money. Graduated in college. I was like,

453
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 3: oh my gosh. And even though in my heart of hearts,

454
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 3: I knew how I wanted to be a teacher, but

455
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 3: the teaching job that I'd interviewed for was gonna pay

456
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 3: me thirty two thousand, and then here Wakeferm was gonna pay.

457
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 4: Me fifty thousand.

458
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 3: So I was heavily considering, because hello, I wanted to

459
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 3: get my own apartment and my own car. But when

460
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 3: she said that, she was like what I couldn't believe

461
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 3: beause she she lured me in with that sweetness, like, hey, baby.

462
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 4: Come on into my office.

463
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, work mom, y'all.

464
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 4: I'll never forget her face.

465
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 3: She looked at me like that, only like a grandma

466
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 3: could because she's an older woman, straight in the eye.

467
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 3: Was like, you would be a goddamn fool. And I

468
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 3: was like, I was like, you lost that. I said yes, ma'am,

469
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 3: and I turned it down and I became a preschool teacher,

470
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 3: which led to me becoming the budgetista. But it just like,

471
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 3: you know, so to create I say all that to say,

472
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 3: for you to create space like that in a place

473
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 3: where there is no space, that's a very difficult and

474
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 3: brave thing to do. So I just like, you know,

475
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 3: I can't imagine what that would look like and feel

476
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 3: like and if I would have the courage to do so,

477
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 3: because it takes a lot of courage to do that.

478
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 4: So thank you.

479
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 2: Well, somebody let me loose and let me hire everybody.

480
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 2: And my team is forty percent people of color. And

481
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: I feel like I've taken the past three years to

482
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 2: quietly and it's and thoughtfully meaningfully choose how I wanted

483
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: to build this team, and now I feel like, can't

484
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 2: tell me it can't be done. I've done it, and

485
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 2: we're one of Like I said this in my letter,

486
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: we're a successful team. We're we're an engaged team. We

487
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 2: are a productive team. We you know, we get our

488
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 2: shit done. And you can't tell me it can't be

489
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: done because now I've shown it to you and I've

490
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 2: done it without any help or training or anything like that.

491
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: And really quickly, I wanted to run through a list,

492
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna I'm actually going to put this in

493
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: a dock for the notes, and Kelly could include it

494
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: in the show notes of a list. If you're working

495
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 2: for a company and you're wondering, you know, what should

496
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 2: I be asking for right now? I want to I

497
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: want to use my voice and speak up, whether it's

498
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: at a town hall or an email to HR or whatever.

499
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: Just I'm going to do a quick summary and then

500
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: I'll include like a more detailed list than our show notes,

501
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 2: but a couple of things. Ask the company to publish

502
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: demographics of the staff, diversity stats, what percentage are black,

503
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: what percentage are white, et cetera, women versus men, all

504
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: of that, and if they don't have it published or

505
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 2: it's hidden behind some you know, mystical door, and human

506
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: resources ask them why they aren't sharing it with the company,

507
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: because how can you measure your own success if you

508
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: don't know where the starting line is? And how can

509
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: managing How can someone like me, for example, I say

510
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: forty percent of my team is people of color. I

511
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: did my own assessment, But how can I know if

512
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: I'm above average or below average? Or what is the

513
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: baseline we should be aiming for? That's the first thing.

514
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: Second thing, and this is a point I made on

515
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: the call with the CEO last week, is okay. He

516
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 2: was speaking very passionately about the importance of inclusivity and

517
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 2: how just he he hates, hates that anyone would feel

518
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: such microaggressions in the office and that the place would

519
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: be not hospitable to every one of every race and

520
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: sexuality and all that. And I said, that's very nice,

521
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 2: But do your executives think so? Does the board of

522
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: directors feel the same way? It does every manager at

523
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: the company in a position of hiring, giving performance reviews,

524
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: doing compensation reviews? Do they think so? And how do

525
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: we hold them accountable for agreeing with you? Because it

526
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. And this is the same thing with like

527
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 2: the President of the United States a little bit. Yes,

528
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 2: he's a complete ignorant asshole, believing my CEO is nothing

529
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 2: like that. But I'm just making the analogy. But honestly,

530
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: it's not so much what he says and does is important,

531
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 2: but it's also the people in Congress who you know,

532
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: are enabling him to do these things and enacting legislation,

533
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: you know, to promote his ideals. They really are the

534
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: little worker ants on the ground who can make these

535
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 2: systems proliferate, you know. So for me, it's the same thing.

536
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: We need people beneath him to feel the same way.

537
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 2: So how do you do that? I recommend a sponsorship program.

538
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: And this is like a formal This is a formalized

539
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: version of what I've had through my quote unquote sponsor,

540
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 2: the guy who hired me four years ago, someone who

541
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: when you were hired at the company and you're a

542
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: person of color, you're matched with someone a couple of

543
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: rungs above you at least, who is charged with being

544
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: your advocate, with being your coach, with being your sounding board,

545
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: someone who can help you navigate and help you understand

546
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: how things work and bounce ideas off and help you

547
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: chart your own career path, and they're held accountable for

548
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: whether or not you stay and how you thrive there

549
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: and if you thrive there, and helping you feel like

550
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: you're welcome there. And I think that would be a

551
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: big difference. And it would also show people in management

552
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: that we really care about inclusivity so much so we're

553
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 2: going to ask you to help us by sponsoring a

554
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: worker you know, on a different team or whatnot, to

555
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: have some skin in the game and help us create

556
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: an environment where people of color can thrive because we

557
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: recognize they do not come in with the same advantages

558
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: and privileges that others do. I said, I was going

559
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: to be quick, and here I go. No, that's good

560
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: equity training. This is racial equity training or unconscious bias training.

561
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: For any manager who's going to be hiring, they have

562
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: got to know, Okay, I have unconscious bias. My preference

563
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 2: is going to be for people who look like my

564
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: daughter or my cousin, or someone who I think looks

565
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: like a boss. And what does that mean. Help people

566
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: understand the way that they're approaching, Help them understand how

567
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: they can look at a hundred resumes and not unconsciously

568
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 2: go for the ones that have names that sound like

569
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: whatever role they're looking for. You know, people need that

570
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: type of training. And you give people a lot of

571
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: power to screw you up. If you're the head of

572
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: a company and you don't want to look like you're

573
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: you know, out of touch with what's happening in modern society.

574
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: You're giving people a lot of power to do that

575
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: when you say hire whoever you want. Another thing about

576
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: hiring and I credit my friend Baron who works at

577
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: a big company. Can I see where he works? Probably not. Anyway,

578
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: it's a big social media company and he is on

579
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 2: the task force. And what they're doing is they're asking

580
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: for more specific performance reviews because you may not realize,

581
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: but the way that performance reviews are structured can often

582
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: work against people of color and it just gives way

583
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: to bias again, to creep in. And the way that

584
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: it can do that is if you have, like often

585
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: you have ratings, you know, how is someone doing or

586
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: you know, what do they need to do to get

587
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: to the next level of their position that they're working at,

588
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: And if it's not very specific, like if there aren't

589
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: objective specific metrics for what does it take to be

590
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: level one? What does it take to be level two

591
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: or level three? If you can't explain that to someone

592
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: and it's all the same requirement across the company, then

593
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: you're leaving it up to people to decide what their

594
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: own opinions and their own subjective thoughts who's ready for

595
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: a promotion or who's worthy of a promotion. So you

596
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: need to really define those things if you're going to

597
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: be doing performance reviews and saying those performance reviews and

598
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: ratings can influence, you know, raises, promotions and things like that.

599
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: So shout out to him for giving me that idea.

600
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: And small shit like our company didn't give MLK day off. Okay,

601
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: we have unlimited PTO And one time I caught myself

602
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: someone asked me recently. They were like, oh, we don't

603
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: get oh it was around the holiday. Duah, we don't

604
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: get mlkday off.

605
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 4: Why is that?

606
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: And I started, and I started, I was like, oh,

607
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: well we have we have unlimited PTO, so if you

608
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: want to take the day off, you can take the

609
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: day off. In the back of my head, I'm thinking,

610
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: what the fun am I saying? Why am I making

611
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: excuses for this? Yeah, why don't we have MLK day off.

612
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: It like those little things send a message to your

613
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: black employees. And that's why that's why we have all

614
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: of a sudden, everyone's got Juneteenth off. And if your

615
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: company does not have MLK day off, like, what are

616
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: they telling you? What are they telling you? They're telling

617
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: you that other days are more important, that they matter more.

618
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a that is just a message that

619
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: you don't it's such as it's a message that you

620
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: don't know you're sending, but you're sending one when you

621
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: don't have days like that off. Let's see dress codes.

622
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: If you have a dress code at your company that

623
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: can potentially be discriminatory to people of color, ask them

624
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: to eliminate it, whether it's a certain way that you're

625
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: told to dress so that you can or wear your

626
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: hair or anything like that. I think in some states

627
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: it's even illegal now to tell people how to wear

628
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: their hair to the office. But I know some companies

629
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: maybe we'll be trying to get around that. So keep

630
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: your eyes out for that pay equity study. So how

631
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: are you paying women and men and different races at

632
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: your company? And is it equitable? This is really freaking

633
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: hard to do, and as a hiring manager. I have

634
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: seen how pay disparities creep in accidentally, even with well

635
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: meeting managers, including myself at the table. But that doesn't

636
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: mean you can't correct it. You know when you see it,

637
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: but you can't correct it unless everyone is on the

638
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: same page that we need to correct it. And those

639
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: are just a few things. I will save the rest

640
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: and put it in a dock. But I hope this

641
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: is helpful to you guys and feel empowered. I think

642
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: now now is the time to ask for these types

643
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: of things and be a little bit brave because they

644
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: seem to want to listen, and we need to hold

645
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: them accountable. Like if we don't continue bringing this up,

646
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: if your social media feed goes back to normal, shake

647
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: it up, post something you know, don't let people forget,

648
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: don't let them off the hook. Let's let's do something

649
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: while we can.

650
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: What I love is that what people have been doing

651
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: with Breonna Taylor, right. I don't know if you've seen

652
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 3: It'll be something like it's such a really nice day

653
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: outside and Breonna Taylor's.

654
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 4: Killers are still on the lofty.

655
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: Someone wrote, like one of my friends actually went viral

656
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: shout to Tayshawn.

657
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 4: He wrote, because right now.

658
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: We're also annoyed by the dag on firecrackers, going, I

659
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: don't know where you live they're doing it, but here

660
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: around here. I mean everyone's been complaining my timeline fee,

661
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: these damn firecrackers. Someone was like, you know what, you knew?

662
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 3: Who you should call if you're really annoyed by the firecrackers? Uh?

663
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 4: The governor?

664
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: Because Breonna Taylor's killers are still on the loose, so

665
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: everyone is tying it back to why have they not

666
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: been prosecuted? Why have they not been arrested? And so yeah,

667
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: just like to.

668
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: Your point, keeping the points in.

669
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 3: People's faces, not letting people forget, keep saying it yeah.

670
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: And say their name, Yeah, say their name.

671
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: So that was great.

672
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: And honestly, the payscale thing, people say that it's bullshit

673
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: because I mean, I know, I'm not a huge company,

674
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: but we created a pay system, like we literally created

675
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: it from scratch, my CFO and I my R CFO

676
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 3: and I because I wanted to have pay transparency, but

677
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: in a way that you couldn't necessarily guess what everybody

678
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 3: else is paying so getting paid. So we created this

679
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: color coded system where you know your color, so like

680
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: Interurn is yellow, and C suite, it's pink and purple.

681
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, it might be like someone who

682
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: has a liaison with one that works on one project

683
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: and blue is a LEAs young that works on two.

684
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: So we color coded so you know your color, and

685
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, myself, the CFO, and the and our

686
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: book keeper knows your color.

687
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 4: So it's the only people who know.

688
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: And then in each color sequence, you know exactly what

689
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: the like, what the job entails, so you can see

690
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 3: what you have to do to move from one color

691
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 3: to the next. And then also in each color sequence,

692
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: there are three pay pay markers where like this is

693
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: beginning paid. So let's just say intern beginning pay is say,

694
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: like I don't know, al let's pretend it's like fifteen bucks,

695
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: and then it's like middle pay seventeen and fifty and

696
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 3: then n pay twenty dollars an hour. So you might

697
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: come in as a brand new intern. We don't have

698
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 3: to wonder what is the brand new intern going to

699
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: make fifteen bucks? And then if they stay long enough

700
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: and they do a great job, you know that the

701
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: next bump up is going to be seventeen fifty. But

702
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: then you, as an intern might actually get hired, and

703
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: you know, oh, I'm going to go from yellow to green,

704
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 3: and depending on where I land, I'm going to land

705
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,479
Speaker 3: at maybe twenty five bucks an hour. So it makes

706
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: it so everyone can kind of see what they could

707
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: be making, and you can kind of guess what other

708
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 3: people might be making, but you don't know for sure,

709
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 3: Like everybody knows who's on the c suite, who's on

710
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: the lead team, so you know, oh, the lead team

711
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 3: is in the pink, but that's a big range. It's

712
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 3: like a twenty thousand dollars range there. So it gives

713
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 3: you enough of an idea of what you could possibly

714
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 3: be making and maybe what other people on the lead

715
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 3: team are making, but you don't know specifically what each

716
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 3: individual person is making.

717
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 4: So we created that chart.

718
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 3: It took us a couple of weeks to get it

719
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: like perfectly tweaked, and what happens is as the company

720
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: does better, we will update. So I remember one of

721
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: my goals was I wanted that the lowest paid person

722
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 3: on the team was twenty dollars an hour, and so

723
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: we've been slowly but surely like upgrading the full chart.

724
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 3: So what might happen is that you might be blue

725
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: level two and you're making sixty thousand dollars a year,

726
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: but as because we've totally upgraded the chart. Now you're

727
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 3: making sixty two thousand dollars a year because the chart

728
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: has upgraded, So we're I don't, I personally feel like

729
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 3: we're not quite paying market rate just yet because I

730
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: want to do even better than market rate. So until

731
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: we get to that point, then you know, then we'll

732
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: start we'll stop doing that full complete upgrade because they

733
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: get individual raises, but then we do what I call

734
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 3: like just a total company wide raises because we're wanting to,

735
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: you know, do right by the people that work with us,

736
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 3: so ways.

737
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: Can be made to make absolutely you know, yeah, and

738
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: thank you for doing that, because I'm sick of people

739
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: coaching people on how to negotiate salary. It shouldn't be

740
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: all the pressure. I mean, in some cases, sure you

741
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: should stand up for what you want, but like women

742
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: and minorities, like why do we have to figure out

743
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: the Rubik's cube of salary negotiations and read all these

744
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 2: articles telling us what to ask but not to ask,

745
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: what to wear we're not to wear who like? So

746
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 2: that you can figure out how to get paid fairly,

747
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: like that should not be the way that it is.

748
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: And this is what we I'm talking about when I

749
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: say systems, we're trying to conform ourselves and learn how

750
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: the system works. This system should work for us, Like

751
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: why don't you just pay your people equitably? And I

752
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: would have to sit here and guess what I think exactly.

753
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: And even it's fair because it's like, well regardless, so

754
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: when someone comes in, it's not like are they making

755
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: more than me? No, No, they're in that they're they're

756
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 3: blue because they have two projects just like you, and

757
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 3: depending on where they land, you know, and somebody might

758
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: make more, but you're both blue.

759
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 4: So it's almost like you're part of a cohort.

760
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 3: And so what I do is I look at like, oh,

761
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 3: this cohort hasn't got a raisin, while is everybody performing?

762
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,479
Speaker 3: That cohort moves up, But it just gives it gives

763
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 3: me a point of reference or we're not because back

764
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 3: in the day I just used to I guess she

765
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: makes twenty dollars an hour.

766
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 4: I didn't even know.

767
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 3: So it's even it makes it easier even on the

768
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: decision making side about how to pay people. So to me,

769
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 3: systems are one of the ways that you can stamp

770
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 3: out racial bias and bias in other ways that if

771
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 3: people adopt systems, because people are human beings, you know,

772
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: there's no I have bias, There's no way for me

773
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: not to. And so that's why leading out systems is

774
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: just one of the ways. But no, I think that

775
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: to me, I just I feel more hopeful. I love

776
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: the fact that there are people like you out there,

777
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: people like me who are out there because they're the key.

778
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 3: We can't all divest from the system. People are going

779
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 3: to be working for companies. So those who are working

780
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: for companies, I want you to be the Mandy while

781
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: you're there, you know. And so thanks Mandra.

782
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 2: Thanks Teff. Do you want some good breaking news real quickly? Yes,

783
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: Husbe is standing in line to vote on our behalf.

784
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: Because it's a long story. They are only like five

785
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: voting places for the New York primary primary in mind

786
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: in Town, down from sixty last time. Like anyway, the

787
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: line was three hours long. But while he's there, he's

788
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: sending me news alerts. The officer and the shooting death

789
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: that Breonna Taylor in Louisville, Kentucky has been fired Okay,

790
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: so that's that is your update. Okay, so that one

791
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: officer has been fired.

792
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 4: Okay, so we's got two more to go? Is it

793
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 4: two more?

794
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: Right?

795
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 2: I was it three?

796
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 4: Yes? I believe.

797
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 3: Well if for those of you who don't follow Amanda Seals,

798
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: she's got this awesome chart where it's like almost like her.

799
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 3: There's almost like literally she's like check fired because the

800
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: chart goes like fired, arrested, prosecuted, convicted, So she has

801
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 3: like a check and I believe I remember seeing three faces.

802
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, indicted. And people need to understand how

803
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: the system can work too. I know that this is

804
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: a very long, buzzworthy and let's just let it happen

805
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: because this is the one point because people, if you

806
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: are voting in primaries, primary is important because it dictates

807
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: who's actually going to end up on the ballot for

808
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: the general election. But what you need to understand in

809
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: these and with the criminal justice system, often it's the

810
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: people that you don't think about. It's judges, it's district attorneys.

811
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: They're the ones who have the power to prosecute these people.

812
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 2: So pay attention to these elections. And that's why I'm glad,

813
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sad that my husband's in a two

814
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: hour long, two hour line, wait, two hour long line,

815
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: Thank you brain forgiving me that sentence to vote right now.

816
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: But I'm excited that so many people are coming out

817
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: here because you need to understand how the system works

818
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: and that you can vote in a way that changes it.

819
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: Because waiting until November to vote for your president, yeah,

820
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: that can that can have an impact, obviously, and please,

821
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 2: please do help get enough, But it's these other ones too,

822
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: and real, real quick. Anecdote. I went to a rally

823
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: near my house in I live in the suburbs outside

824
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 2: of New York. I went to a rally in Black

825
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: Lives Matter rally was the last Tuesday. I biked over there.

826
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: Ran from the baby and the husband before they gave

827
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: me any reason not to, just ran. I got on

828
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: my bike and ran for it, or I biked for it.

829
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: And there was a man there who was sharing a

830
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: story of his father who was shot by police in

831
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: my town eight years ago. And he literally could like

832
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: they literally had audio of the entire murder, the police

833
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 2: calling him the N word, and the judge in this case,

834
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 2: the judge in the Court of Appeals decided there wasn't

835
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: enough evidence to support that it was a hate crime

836
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: and did not rule in their favor. And I'm just

837
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: I just want you guys to know, like the momentum

838
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: right now around George Floyd's death and others that have

839
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: that have been swept up in this moment, this is

840
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: crucial and it's it's it's it's great that they're getting

841
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: so much attention, but are there other George Floyd's in

842
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 2: your community that need to be amplified right now? I

843
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: feel at peace that the world will take Brianna and

844
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 2: George and hopefully find justice for them. Not the world,

845
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: the nation. I'm right now fighting for Kenneth Chamberlain Senior,

846
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 2: who was that man sixteen years old murdered by police

847
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: in my town eight years ago. Learning about these cases

848
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 2: so that I can figure out how can I help

849
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: in my community with amplify the voices that maybe you're

850
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: not getting nationwide attention right now. And I hope that

851
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: you guys do as well, or encourage the people in

852
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 2: your life who are trying to be allies, encourage them

853
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: to do some research and help and call your local officials.

854
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure Minneapolis and Louisville phone are ringing, not the hook,

855
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: but what about your town, Like what about your district attorney?

856
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: How what have they done in terms of criminal justice?

857
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: And who are the George Floyd's and your community that

858
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: needs to be amplified as well. Wow, I'm really up

859
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: onto my soapbox today.

860
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: Oh it's good.

861
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: We planned out the show and then I was like, hey.

862
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: No, it's good.

863
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 4: It needs to be said.

864
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: I feel because I feel like the last few shows

865
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 3: were just you know, we were emoting, and so now

866
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: I feel like it's awesome to give people like so

867
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: what to do with that energy? You know? And so

868
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 3: I think that part it's important to get the emotion out,

869
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 3: to feel the sadness, to feel the anger. But now

870
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 3: it's like it's now about now what what can we do?

871
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: And I feel like, yes, I love that that this

872
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 3: is what this you know that this this episode is

873
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 3: mostly about.

874
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 4: It's like, no, this is what the actual work looks like.

875
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: Work in action allyeship is an action word, right, so

876
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: it's a verb.

877
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 4: So what does that look like?

878
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: How do you actively become an ally or just if

879
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 3: you know, even if you are part of the community

880
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 3: that has you know, regularly experienced a systemic racism. What

881
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 3: does that look like on your end? What does the

882
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 3: work look like? So no, I love.

883
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: This, I love it too. All right, shl We take

884
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: a quick break though, and come back.

885
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 4: We shall.

886
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: All right, be right back, y'all with a boost on

887
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 2: a break or a break or a boost, we'll see

888
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: questions or question that's right, we get those two. We

889
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: still have questions. We'll get to some questions.

890
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 4: All right, be right back.

891
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: All right, guys, we are back back with our usual

892
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: segment where we take your questions again. Hit us up

893
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: Brand Ambition Podcast at gmail dot com with your questions,

894
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: or you can go to Instagram and direct message us.

895
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: I will be there to accept your messages and hopefully

896
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: we can get to one on the show. Just let

897
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: us know if you want to be anonymous or not

898
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 2: at the top of your message, so I don't read

899
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: it and I have to go back and do it

900
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 2: all over again because I said your name, sorry in advance.

901
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: That's happened to you, all right. Our first question comes

902
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: from an Instagram user. We will just call her Amy. Hey, guys,

903
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: my name is Amy. My friend called me yesterday seeking

904
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: support and also advice selling her furniture. So she can move,

905
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: and a buyer sent her a check. The check cleared,

906
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: deposited into her account, and the buyer slash scammer then

907
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: asked her to send money to a moving truck company

908
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: via ze so the couch could be picked up. What

909
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: was that?

910
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: No, And I'm just saying, oh god, I know the scam.

911
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god. That sounded like sorry, like a scam.

912
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: Like oh that sounded like blur witch project. I'm like, no,

913
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: I say, oh God, I know the scam. Very welcome, Okay,

914
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: I'm reading it very well. So you're just on the

915
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 2: tip of ear, You're like on the edge of your seat.

916
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: That's good, Okay, I have never heard of the scam.

917
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: This is just like blow my mind, all right. The

918
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: check clear deposited into her account. Then the buyer asked

919
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: her to send money to the moving truck company via

920
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 2: zel so the couch could be picked up. The movers

921
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: never came, however, my friend reached out again and the

922
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: scammer did the same thing again, sent her another check,

923
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: which she deposited, and then transferred money from her cash

924
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: app to another moving company. Furniture was of course, never

925
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: picked up, and when my friend went to review her account.

926
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 2: The checks that looked like they had cleared had actually

927
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: been canceled. She's lost over four thousand dollars from this

928
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: whole ordeal and feels really dumb slash terrible about it.

929
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: She's contacting her bank and going to file whatever claim

930
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: she can, but at this point the money is gone

931
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: and she can't stop the transactions because Thelle recipients accepted

932
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: the payment. I'm wondering if you have any other advice

933
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: or step she can take. Thanks for all of you,

934
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: and Tiffany do I'm a weekly podcast listener. Thank you.

935
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 3: Amy.

936
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so, Tiffany, you've heard about this.

937
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 3: Scams because so back in the day when I was young,

938
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: I'm still young, don't play me. So yeah, So back

939
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 3: in the day when I used to do, I used

940
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 3: to hit up Craiglist a lot because I was looking for,

941
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 3: like to make extra money when I was a teacher.

942
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 3: That scam it was so prevalent that I would actually

943
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: go into the bank and they had like a sign

944
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 3: up and I almost fell for it. So what happened

945
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 3: was I saw that at Craigslist they said they were

946
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 3: looking for a tutor. I was like, Okay, that sounds awesome.

947
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 3: And they sent me the money ahead of time, and

948
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: they sent me let's just say, I can't remember what

949
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 3: it was.

950
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 4: Maybe the tutoring was going to be.

951
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: Five hundred dollars, but they sent me a thousand dollars

952
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 3: check and they were like, you know, deposit the money

953
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 3: because they were a foreign exchange student or something like that,

954
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 3: and if I could return five hundred to them.

955
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 4: It was weird. I just remember it being like, why

956
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 4: are you overpaying me?

957
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 3: So I got the check. I remember looking at it.

958
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 3: I remember I brought it to the bank. They were like, no,

959
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: it looks like a real check. And I was like,

960
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 3: but it.

961
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 4: Just seemed odd, like, Hm, why are they paying me extra?

962
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: And I guess they realized that I was feeling a

963
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: little suspicious, so they actually emailed me. Was like, no,

964
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: we could jump on a call, and you know, I

965
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: can walk you through why I'm doing it this way,

966
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 3: because you know, the person claimed that they were they

967
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: lived in Thailand and their daughter was a student here

968
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: in the US and they wanted, I guess, to give

969
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: the money to her while she was here in the US.

970
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: And I was like, okay. So anyway, John that was

971
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 3: his name, called me and I wasn't looking at the

972
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 3: number one. I picked up the phone and I heard hello. Honestly, Mandy,

973
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 3: I was like, one of my uncles called me because

974
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: I know.

975
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 4: A Nigerian accent. Meanwhile, John from Thailand, and.

976
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 3: I was like, Uncle Tony. He said, no, this is

977
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 3: John from Thailand. I was like, wait, well, I actually looked.

978
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: At the phone.

979
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't understand, because I thought if totally

980
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: playing a joke. I was like John from Thailand.

981
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 4: He said, no, you don't. I gave you my check.

982
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 4: I was like, then I was like, you know what wrong?

983
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: My damn people, I was like god started. I was like,

984
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 3: first of all, I'm Nigerian. I could spot your accent

985
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 3: a mile away. I can also tell that you sound emo,

986
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 3: and I can also tell.

987
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 4: He was like, eh, you have their own.

988
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 3: Click and I remember being like so then I knew, okay,

989
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 3: obviously this is a scam. But then the scam became

990
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 3: so popular because the problem is is that the bank

991
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 3: will deposit the check and it will at first look

992
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: like a real check, and it will look like so

993
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 3: they will kind of like front you the money and

994
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 3: you know, by the time the bank finds out the

995
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: check is fake you've already withdrawn the money, so it's

996
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: very frustrating. Like I said it, it's huge about I

997
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 3: want to say, ten, fifteen, twenty years ago. It was

998
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: just happening so often. The bank literally used to have

999
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: signs in the actual bank.

1000
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 4: So this is what you can do.

1001
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: So the Federal Trade Commission has been hearing about the

1002
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: scam over and over and over, and so this is

1003
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: what your friend can do. It says here on their

1004
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: site that if you want to learn more about what

1005
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 3: to do if you've already sent the money to a scammer,

1006
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: visit f for Federal t for Trade c for Commission

1007
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: dot gov slash gift cards, so because oftentimes they'll there'll

1008
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 3: be some sort of gift card involved, but these people

1009
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 3: were a little bit slick and having you pay them

1010
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 3: via zel to you know, to whatever fake moving company.

1011
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 3: But that's what I would go to FTC dot gov

1012
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 3: forward slash gift cards to see what you can do,

1013
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 3: or even FTC dot gov forward slash complaint. And I don't, honestly,

1014
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're able to get your money back.

1015
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,479
Speaker 1: Because I'm assuming Zell is.

1016
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 3: Through your bank, and it's just such so unfortunate.

1017
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing about Zell and people. You should

1018
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: really read the fine print when it comes to payment apps,

1019
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: because when you transfer a payment through Zell, they ask

1020
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: you like you're on the hook if you knowingly send

1021
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 2: money to someone and it ends up being a scam

1022
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: or they take the money and run away with it

1023
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 2: or whatever, because you're the one you sent it to them.

1024
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: I believe you are entitled to getting your money back

1025
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: if someone actually hacks into your account from Zell and

1026
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 2: takes the money. But if you were the one, like

1027
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: your friend, actually sent it to them, it's much harder

1028
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: for her to make a case for getting it back

1029
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: from Zell. That being said, still I would I think

1030
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: it's a great idea that you gave her to reach

1031
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: out to her local representative. See if she can make

1032
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: some noise locally and get some pressure on the bank.

1033
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 2: Maybe they'll make an exception. Tweet about it that has

1034
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: worked time and time again. Tweet to Zell in the

1035
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: bank that she banks with, see if can be some

1036
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: justice that is also moving companies. I just feel like

1037
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 2: no one's ever had a good experience with a movie.

1038
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: There's the root of all evil, right, am? I right

1039
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 2: moving company.

1040
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just fun.

1041
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: It's so much money. I just yeah, I don't, I couldn't.

1042
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just so much money. The only thing,

1043
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 3: like I said, like the FTC does have they have

1044
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 3: a list of different organizations that you can reach out

1045
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 3: to depending on like who you how you get. I

1046
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: don't see ze on that list, but it it It

1047
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 3: doesn't hurt to google FTC this check scam and see

1048
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 3: what what recourse you have. It's definitely something that the

1049
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 3: federal government is aware of and has been trying to

1050
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 3: prevent and has tried to create some solutions for.

1051
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 4: So that's the only thing I can say.

1052
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: And obviously reach out to your bank obviously, but yeah,

1053
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 3: just anybody who's ever listening. If any anyone gives you

1054
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 3: a check and ask for you to send money from

1055
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 3: that check, like ninety nine percent of the time, that's

1056
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 3: a scam unless you know that person personally, So like

1057
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 3: your mom, your sister, or your uncle, you know someone

1058
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: that you you like, you know, but a stranger doing that,

1059
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: that is they're getting slicker and slicker. And how they

1060
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: do that scam, Like I said, back then, it was

1061
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 3: a lot of tutoring. That's how they would get you.

1062
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 3: I'm a foreign exchange student, you know, just send the

1063
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 3: money back. I was this close to doing it, but,

1064
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 3: like I said, because it just seemed weird.

1065
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 4: I was like John from Thailand. John seems like a

1066
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 4: weird name from Thailand.

1067
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: And so that reminded me of Ivon Orgie's hpos. If

1068
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: you watched her you went to her comedy show right

1069
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: doing that, she talks about Nigerian scammers coming for her

1070
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: and she's like, listen, I am not the one. Yes

1071
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: do better, But like, what because.

1072
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: You don't under say? I was like, because he was like, no,

1073
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 3: this is John. So I put on my own accent.

1074
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: I was like, I look at you.

1075
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 4: You'll call.

1076
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: He was like, I was like, yeah, you thought. I

1077
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: was like, I can't believe it. You didn't even try

1078
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 1: to switch up your accent, Bro, who.

1079
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 4: Are you fooling?

1080
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: This is not a Tiwoodese accent. Well, I was just like, wow,

1081
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: the audicity so.

1082
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: Third born child.

1083
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 3: No, But I just remember thinking to myself, Wow, people

1084
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 3: really do this. Yeah, it's just it's honestly, it's it's

1085
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 3: really a shame because that's a lot of money to

1086
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 3: be out of, and you know, it's very easy to

1087
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 3: be sucked because it seems very plausible, like oh yeah, yeah,

1088
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 3: no biggie. And plus till you think to yourself, the

1089
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 3: check cleared at the bank, so no biggie, you know,

1090
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 3: And honestly, I I banks have been more careful about

1091
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 3: those things, Like literally, I remember there was a period

1092
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 3: when I used to go to the bank if I

1093
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 3: had a check, they would ask me, is this check

1094
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 3: from your job?

1095
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 4: Is this check from somebody that you knew?

1096
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 3: There was a period of a few months when I

1097
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 3: guess that scam was on the rise when literally going

1098
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 3: to the bank you would get those questions. So you know,

1099
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 3: just everybody be on their their p's and q's because

1100
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 3: you know, scammers don't sleep well.

1101
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your question, Amy, your good friend.

1102
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: You guys continue sending us your questions. Brandabisson Podcast at

1103
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 2: gmail dot com. That's up on the ground. We're at

1104
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 2: Brandambisson podcast dot Are you said that at Brannamission podcast

1105
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 2: on the gram.

1106
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just welcome to the new listeners. Okay, oh

1107
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: well we'll.

1108
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 4: Talk about that in a minute.

1109
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 2: Well, let's get into a brown boots, Brown Breaked and

1110
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 2: the show.

1111
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: Yes, bron Boos, brom break. Are you going booze? Are

1112
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: you going to break? What you're gonna do? Mandy?

1113
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 3: You see you know that's my I gotta gotta.

1114
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 2: Go, gotta go, gotta go. Well, let's do our joint

1115
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 2: boost first. Yea, right, Yes, we were featured. Are we

1116
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: still featured? I haven't looked in a minute.

1117
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1118
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 4: I'd say yes.

1119
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: Spotify had featured us over the weekend in their by

1120
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 2: Black curated podcast section on the front page of.

1121
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 1: Spotify and which number one?

1122
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: We were number one, which is a big effing deal.

1123
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 2: And what was it? The business? It was by Black,

1124
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: which is highlighted and spotlighted business podcast anchored by people

1125
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 2: by black podcasters, And that was freaking amazing. I think

1126
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 2: our listenership is up like fifty percent.

1127
00:53:59,320 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

1128
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 2: So hey, hey, thanks for listening.

1129
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1130
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: I love that they featured the episode. They did too,

1131
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 2: because often like iTunes will throw us a bone and

1132
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 2: they'll feature us and curated lists. I think we're still

1133
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: in like their their business podcast, curated lists or whatever.

1134
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: But Spotify look like they actually went through and found

1135
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 2: a show that they thought would resonate with people, which

1136
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: was the episode where we talk about how Tiffany made

1137
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 2: her first MILLI.

1138
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was awesome.

1139
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 3: I was like people were messaging me from like honestly,

1140
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 3: somebody was like someone was like, hey, I work for

1141
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 3: Facebook as you know, the marketing X y Z and.

1142
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: I love your your Love. I was like what.

1143
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 3: She was like, I love the podcast and she was like,

1144
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 3: like the fact that I said what just now because

1145
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 3: she was like she was like, I was listening to

1146
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 3: it saying what, and I was like, what does she

1147
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 3: mean that?

1148
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: I realized, Oh, I say that, I did say what.

1149
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 3: I just say what a lotuse I don't even realize,

1150
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 3: but yeah, that was Honestly, that was super awesome. Someone

1151
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 3: took a screenshot and sent it to me on Facebook

1152
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: and I thought, oh my goodness.

1153
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 4: I was so excited.

1154
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: That was awesome for an ambition in the wild, We've

1155
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 2: gotten a lot of love. I mean, listen, y'all want

1156
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: to amplify. I feel like so many people are using

1157
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: this moment to amplify black voices. And if we're those

1158
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 2: voices that you want to amplify, thank you very much,

1159
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 2: because you know, I hate to think it, but people

1160
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 2: do probably scroll on past our show looking to see

1161
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: someone they recognize in the face of their podcaster and

1162
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: it's a damn shame. But we really thank you guys

1163
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 2: for the extra attention. And if you're new to the show,

1164
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 2: welcome exactly. And if you've been Rocket with the since

1165
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, we love y'all and thank you again.

1166
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: All right, Wait, do you want to go next?

1167
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll do.

1168
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: It's like a boosty breaky like we were just talking.

1169
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: It's like a boost with.

1170
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 3: A break after taste, or break with a boost after taste.

1171
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 4: Either way.

1172
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 3: I just wanted to give you guys a quick update

1173
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: on my business coaching. So, as you know, hired a

1174
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 3: business coach just so you know, I really a little

1175
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 3: stagnant in my business and there were things that were

1176
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 3: keeping us from going to the next level. So I

1177
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 3: wanted to, you know, would it help like shifting those

1178
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 3: internal things. So I'm excited about it. So the way

1179
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 3: that coaching works is the actual coach himself. His name

1180
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: is Zion. He's awesome. He works with myself and my

1181
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 3: business partner. Every other week. It's like off and like

1182
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 3: one week is just he and I individually, and he

1183
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 3: works with my business partner individually, and then the next week,

1184
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 3: it's the two of us together with his team, and

1185
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 3: then his team actually meets with my team and infiltrates.

1186
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 4: And like helps all around.

1187
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 3: But the work that he does with my business partner,

1188
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 3: I it's like internal work.

1189
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: It's straight therapy, Barbie.

1190
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 3: And I'm learning things about myself that I'm like, I

1191
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 3: do do that that's bad. And so here's one of

1192
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 3: those I do do that that's bad. So I remember

1193
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 3: back in the day, I told you, Mandra that I

1194
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 3: kept what I call a bully friend. I always keep

1195
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 3: a bully friend, right, yes, yes, And we.

1196
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,959
Speaker 2: Decided that I wasn't a bully friend. That I was nice,

1197
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,240
Speaker 2: but like with a touch of bolek.

1198
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you're not a bully friend. So I

1199
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 3: realized that it's not the bully friend, which I kind

1200
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 3: of suspected it was me that instead I participate in

1201
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 3: something called the drama triangle.

1202
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: Yes, do your googles.

1203
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 4: It's awesome.

1204
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 3: Well not really, because it's not a good thing, but

1205
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 3: it was so good to put a name to this

1206
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 3: pattern that I had. So the way the drama triangle

1207
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 3: works is then there's three points to the triangle. One

1208
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 3: of the points is the rescuer. Then the victim than

1209
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 3: the persecutor. So the rescuer is where I find myself

1210
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 3: a lot. I am a over giver. I am an

1211
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 3: over sacrificer. I mean I'll be like, Oh, you can

1212
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 3: have the last piece of chicken, even though you had

1213
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 3: five pieces and I'm starving.

1214
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 4: I don't mind.

1215
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: Oh you can have the bigger bedroom even though I'm

1216
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: paying more rent.

1217
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 4: I don't mind.

1218
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: Oh you can have all the covers even though I'm freezing.

1219
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: I don't want.

1220
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 3: That's me always like something along somewhere along the way,

1221
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 3: I suspected my childhood. I decided that overgiving was a

1222
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 3: good thing, like saying no, no no software Tiffany girl,

1223
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 3: give me a suffer, love it right, And so so

1224
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 3: I will be the rescuer. The rescuer is like they

1225
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 3: do all the things, they help, all the things, they sacrifice,

1226
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 3: all the things, and then at some point the rescuer

1227
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 3: feels taken advantage of and they become the victim.

1228
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: Then you move to the victim side of the triangle

1229
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh my god, look how this person

1230
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: is treating me.

1231
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: They're taking so many things for me. Oh my god,

1232
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: woe is me? Why is this my life. So I've

1233
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 3: been there, done that, lived in it. And then the

1234
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 3: victim starts to has enough, like you literally reach your

1235
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 3: limit and it could be months, it could be days,

1236
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 3: it could be years. For me, I like to do

1237
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: it for some years, so years. And then one day

1238
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 3: the victim blows up and says, no, mola, I'm stirning

1239
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 3: up for myself, and then begins to like persecute the person, like,

1240
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 3: you know.

1241
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: You did this to me, You are terrible.

1242
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 3: But honestly, the real issue is that when I'm participating

1243
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 3: as the rescuer, I fail to set boundaries. It is

1244
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: not someone else's I'm not too it is not.

1245
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 2: Kind of my favorite word. I just got a tangle bound.

1246
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 3: Right, And I was like, oh, so it is not

1247
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: someone else's job to magically know my boundaries. I was like, oh, so,

1248
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 3: it's not that I'm quote unquote being bullied. It's just

1249
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 3: that that person is unaware of my boundaries, and so

1250
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 3: as I give, they receive, they're not actually necessary. Well

1251
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 3: not to say that there are not people who don't take,

1252
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 3: of course there are, but there are some people that

1253
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 3: will continue to receive as long as you continue to give,

1254
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 3: because they're of the assumption, Hey, you're an adult when

1255
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 3: you don't want to give no more your stop. I

1256
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 3: don't have a I don't have a turn off. I

1257
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 3: will keep the water running. And I'm like, wait, so

1258
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 3: you're gonna still still receive you take her, and it's

1259
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 3: not necessarily that they're a taker. And so I wonder

1260
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 3: to myself, well, how come it's not like that with

1261
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 3: my husband? How comes not that like that with my

1262
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 3: other like my my friends? And I realized as I

1263
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 3: started to really dissect those friendships, is that Superman is

1264
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 3: a natural giver as well. He actually creates the boundary

1265
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 3: for us. So as I'm pouring into him, he will

1266
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 3: turn off the falset and say no more. So I

1267
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 3: feel like, oh, you know, look, I've set a boundary.

1268
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: No no, no, you didn't set a boundary. He set

1269
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 3: the boundary for you.

1270
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, so.

1271
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 3: I don't have I have not I don't set boundaries.

1272
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 3: I don't set boundaries. Then I feel taken advantage of.

1273
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 3: Then I blow up, and then I start to like

1274
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 3: persecute you, which really just means in my head, I'm

1275
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 3: just telling myself how terrible of a person you are,

1276
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 3: you know, which may or may not be true because

1277
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 3: there are some people who are like legitimate takers. So

1278
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 3: that is the drama triangle that I've been participating in

1279
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 3: since I was in second grade. And I'm like, and

1280
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 3: now that I'm forty, I'm like, I got.

1281
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 2: It, so but I can know better?

1282
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 4: You do better?

1283
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:52,919
Speaker 2: What at any age?

1284
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 3: Yes, And honest, I'm actually really excited about it. I'll

1285
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 3: say this that probably maybe, like I don't know, seven

1286
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 3: or eight years ago, I learned how to see the

1287
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 3: mistakes that I make and not use them to tell

1288
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 3: myself it makes me a bad person, me knowing that

1289
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 3: I participate in the drama triangle and that there are

1290
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 3: some relationships that probably ended unfairly and where I could

1291
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 3: have done better. I actually I don't see that as Tiffany,

1292
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 3: You're bad. It's oh, Tiffany, that wasn't a good thing.

1293
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 3: But I don't see it as me being a bad person.

1294
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 3: So I'm able to receive a critique and feedback without

1295
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 3: letting it hurt me like I've I don't. I think

1296
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 3: business has taught me that because you just get so

1297
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 3: much critique and feedback that you have to learn how

1298
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 3: to take it for what it is, which is an

1299
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 3: opportunity to grow and change, but not to use it

1300
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 3: as a tool to harm yourself. So I don't use

1301
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 3: critique and feedback to harm myself. Like I could tell,

1302
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 3: Zion was waiting for me to be like, you know, like,

1303
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 3: am I going to feel bad about it?

1304
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: I was like no, I was excited to put a

1305
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: name to this.

1306
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 3: Cycle that I kind of innately knew that I was

1307
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 3: in but didn't have a name for it, and didn't

1308
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 3: know because I couldn't name it and be specific about it,

1309
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 3: I couldn't get out of the cycle. So he's teaching

1310
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 3: me how to be an observer of my patterns and

1311
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 3: then to break those patterns so I can do better.

1312
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 3: So I'm actually really excited. So if any of you

1313
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 3: are like me, if you have scise up, some of

1314
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 3: y'all hit me up on social and said, hey, Tiffany,

1315
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 3: just like you, I have a hard time with the

1316
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 3: hard conversations. I don't like confrontation, and I found what

1317
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 3: that is. You don't set boundaries, and so I encourage

1318
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 3: you to google the drama triangle, get your life. It

1319
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that you're a bad person, It just means

1320
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 3: that it's a pattern we all have patterns that we

1321
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 3: have to break, and some patterns are great and some

1322
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 3: patterns are not so great like this, So that was

1323
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 3: just like so it was like a I wouldn't even

1324
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 3: say that was really a break. It was more like

1325
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 3: a booster. But I mean, I'm being transparent, like you know,

1326
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 3: I'm I don't I don't always show up as my

1327
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,439
Speaker 3: best self, but I'm excited about learning how to show

1328
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 3: up better.

1329
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: I think that wasn't all the way boost Yes, I'm

1330
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 2: upgrade that I have an aftertaste of positivity and feeling boosted. Actually, no,

1331
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: I love that, and I love that you're calling it

1332
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 2: because this is this is what we talk about in therapy.

1333
01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 2: I mean, is what I talk about in therapy is

1334
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 2: the patterns like I come with I have. I'm so

1335
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 2: self aware of the things that I've been doing my

1336
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 2: whole life to protect myself and to become the person

1337
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 2: I am today and be successful and how like it's

1338
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 2: sort of how my therapist has told me. Sometimes you

1339
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 2: fall in love with people, whether it's a friend or

1340
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 2: a significant other or a colleague at work, the reasons

1341
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: that you fall in love with them are often the

1342
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: reasons why you end up hating them, like and how

1343
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 2: anyway and how that can influence patterns in your life.

1344
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 2: And it's it's eye opening stuff. It's too bad that

1345
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 2: you can't use your FSA card to pay for this

1346
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 2: this business therapy.

1347
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 3: I know, but I'm pretty I'm excited because so it's

1348
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 3: like two hardcore bus but after this, I mean, i know,

1349
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 3: I've been saying I need a therapist, but it's really

1350
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 3: just like confirmed, Like Tiffany, you can get to the

1351
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 3: meat and potatoes or what's happening much faster and get

1352
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 3: the tools that you need to make life easier. Because

1353
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 3: I literally had me look at every single relationship and

1354
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 3: see how I recreate the dry I'm gonna try and

1355
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 3: go in those relationships that allow me to because that

1356
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 3: person is like, girl, I'm not setting your boundaries.

1357
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 4: You're grown, you know.

1358
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, so I'm something in me. I will

1359
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 3: just say this is that I'm just so so grateful

1360
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 3: that I had a little bit of the sense that

1361
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 3: God gave me in picking a partner that did set boundaries,

1362
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 3: or I would be a miserable somebody, you know, like

1363
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 3: because the boyfriend I had before it would have just

1364
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 3: been it.

1365
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: Would have been terrible.

1366
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 3: We would have it would have been victim, persecution, divorce.

1367
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 3: But because Superman is like just really good at setting

1368
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 3: those boundaries and he said he's an overgiver as well.

1369
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 3: We have an awesome relationship, but I want to you know,

1370
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 3: I want to do better because it can even be

1371
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 3: even better. Like, honestly, i was looking at like my

1372
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 3: relationship with super Girl and I'm.

1373
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: Like, ah, it's the job a triangle. Yikes, Like let'd

1374
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: be like I just so much. Why didn't she like me?

1375
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 4: I'm a victim? You know what, Maybe she's just ungrateful.

1376
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: Now, girl, you don't say boundaries like you don't say boundaries.

1377
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:00,439
Speaker 4: That's not your father, it's a child.

1378
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 3: And I know that, you know, Like we have a

1379
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 3: decent relationship, but there will be moments when I'm like,

1380
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 3: what am I doing wrong?

1381
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 4: You're in a volmill, try and go, that's what.

1382
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 3: You're doing wrong, and so like, yeah, it just I

1383
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 3: just feel so good about it. I'm just like, yes,

1384
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 3: I've just been just just that one conversation with him.

1385
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 3: I'm just like I feel like, even though it's only

1386
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 3: been like a week, I just feel like I see

1387
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 3: relationships differently and I'm more mindful of like like how

1388
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 3: I'm participating and like the role that I play in them.

1389
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, So what about you?

1390
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 4: What's your Boosty?

1391
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: Breaky loves it. I'm so excited to hear more about

1392
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 2: this business coaching real quick. My boost is going to

1393
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 2: be I'm gonna skip. Let's talk about mortgage refinance next week.

1394
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 2: How about that? Okay, because I will have more to say,

1395
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: but I am refrainsing my mortgage and pray for me.

1396
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that it goes well anyhow, Real quick boost

1397
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 2: for rename Grady hashtag renamed Grady. This is the unofficial

1398
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 2: official task force that I accidentally joined from my alma mater.

1399
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 2: He created a grassroots campaign to not only strip my

1400
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 2: journalism school that I graduated from of the name that

1401
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 2: it's the of the man that it was named for,

1402
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 2: because he was a white supremacist and extremely racist and

1403
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 2: is quoted saying terrible things about the black race and

1404
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 2: actively worked against our success as a people in the

1405
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 2: New South. As he called it, strip the name the

1406
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 2: strip to college of that name, but then also rename

1407
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 2: it with a name that we think it truly symbolizes

1408
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 2: the way forward for the college and that is to

1409
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 2: name it for Charlene Hunter Galt, who you may not

1410
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 2: she's not a household name, but in Georgia she's a

1411
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 2: huge deal because she was one of the first two

1412
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: black students to integrate the University of Georgia, where I

1413
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 2: went to school, and this is the first public college

1414
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 2: in the country, so it's a big effing deal. This

1415
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 2: was in the nineteen early nineteen sixties, so Charlene, excuse me,

1416
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 2: it's still with us today and we had a bit

1417
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 2: of a win. So the people who hold the power

1418
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 2: to all the names of schools across the state of

1419
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 2: Georgia's public institutions is a Board of Regions and they

1420
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 2: have now formed a task force or sorry in an

1421
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 2: advisory committee of their own to not just look at

1422
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 2: this school's name, but all of the schools across the

1423
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 2: university system of Georgia. So this is this is a

1424
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 2: small win one. They didn't acknowledge why they were doing it,

1425
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 2: other than the fact that oh, all of a sudden

1426
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 2: they have a big change that or petition you know,

1427
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 2: wanting and people are pushing for these colleges to be

1428
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 2: you know, renamed and or just taken, you know, remove

1429
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 2: the names of these white supremacists that are affiliated with them,

1430
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 2: but they formed an advisory committee, so that is one

1431
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 2: step in the right direction. But now, like I said earlier,

1432
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 2: it's about accountability. So if you have started your own campaign,

1433
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: or you see campaigns from your school or other institutions

1434
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: that have symbols of white supremacists, or they are named

1435
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 2: for white supremacists or people who genuinely worked against all

1436
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 2: the values that we hold dear to ourselves today many

1437
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 2: people do, such as inclusivity and equal access to education

1438
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: and success no matter your race. I would say how

1439
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 2: to hold them accountable is to not let them put

1440
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 2: out a pressure release saying that they're going to look

1441
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 2: at the problem and keep asking so what are you

1442
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 2: going to do about it? Because acknowledging, like I said earlier,

1443
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 2: saying you have a problem, you don't get a cookie

1444
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 2: for telling me that you know you have a problem.

1445
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: It's like, what are you going to do? So it

1446
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 2: really it gave us a small win, but it also

1447
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 2: like lit the fire under our bellies to keep pushing,

1448
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:36,560
Speaker 2: keep pushing, because they're looking at potentially removing the names

1449
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 2: of all these colleges that are named for these you know,

1450
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 2: historical figures that have problematic pass but are they renaming them?

1451
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 2: And if they are, can we have a seat at

1452
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 2: the table so that we can really push to get

1453
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 2: Charlayne's name. To have a college named after a black

1454
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 2: successful woman like that is rare and I really really

1455
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 2: want to see it happen, So.

1456
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 4: That would be awesome.

1457
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 2: I love her, and she's just she's just she's amazing,

1458
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 2: She's a she's a hero to any black student who's

1459
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: ever walked through the University of Georgia and what she

1460
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 2: had to endure. I mean, it's anyway, love her and

1461
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 2: and we want to see this happen. And so shout

1462
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 2: out to the whole you know, grassroots team who's working together.

1463
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 2: I'm about to go work on our social media as

1464
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 2: soon as this podcast is over. But it feels good

1465
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,959
Speaker 2: to do something small, not something small.

1466
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 4: But something bigful.

1467
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, something meaningful, and in another area where I feel

1468
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 2: like I have a little bit of influence.

1469
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: Yay, found up.

1470
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 2: Applause for me renamed Grady, join the movement. You don't

1471
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 2: have to know who Grady is or Charlayne, just retweet.

1472
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 4: No, but that's that's awesome.

1473
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 3: Tag me and if you because you know, you tag

1474
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 3: me in a in a story, I can I can

1475
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 3: repost it, you know.

1476
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 4: How it's like sharious share the story.

1477
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, tag me the story, and now all we share

1478
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 3: its my folks, and it's become quite a good tradition

1479
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 3: at the end of the show. You know, I've been

1480
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 3: giving you guys like idea accounts that either tickle me

1481
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 3: or like, you know, just move me. So here's one

1482
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 3: that's been tickling me. It's called Karen's Going Wild. I

1483
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 3: mean you could just k no. I think it's called

1484
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 3: Karen's Going Wild, which you can almost imagine what that is.

1485
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 3: So just draw your own conclusions if you need a

1486
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 3: little giggle, you're like, Lord have mercy. So yeah, back

1487
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 3: when someone tagged me in that, and I just I've

1488
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 3: been watching some of the videos like, well look at

1489
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 3: this foolishness. So that is my IG account for the

1490
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 3: for the week, Karen's going.

1491
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 2: Wild, Bless your heart. Someone sent me Karen's in the Wild,

1492
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 2: which is like an I think it's probably similar, but.

1493
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 4: That's probably they've been popping up.

1494
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 2: I find Karen so triggering. I can't I can't watch.

1495
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,600
Speaker 3: It's just because with a person actually like digs that

1496
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 3: behind right back, like Karen, which you're not going to

1497
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 3: do it.

1498
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 4: So I look for those I'm like, yes, you tell.

1499
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 2: Them, yes, absolutely, Karen's going wild. Oh god, if you

1500
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 2: see call the Karen's out. We just need to you

1501
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 2: need to have done with them, all right. I did

1502
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 2: follow what was wardy talk?

1503
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: Yes, and she's lasting.

1504
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 2: She's really awesome, yeah, really funny and not funny, but

1505
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 2: just real. I love how real her. She reminds me

1506
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 2: of my approach to social media, which is just come

1507
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 2: as you are, who cares, say what's on your heart?

1508
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 2: And she broke down what did she break down? Oh

1509
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 2: the white savior in film. And I sent that right

1510
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 2: to my mother and my sister because they are just

1511
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 2: blessed their hearts. They're just soaking up every piece of

1512
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 2: education they can about about white privilege. And they enjoyed

1513
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 2: it too.

1514
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, Wordy Dot Talk.

1515
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 3: And then the other one before that was Tony Baker

1516
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 3: comedy just because you just need a giggle.

1517
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 4: He's hilarious.

1518
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 3: So Karen's gone wild, and I think that's cute to

1519
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 3: end the show with. You know, an ig account that

1520
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 3: brings you to some joy, some upliftment, some laughter or otherwise,

1521
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 3: or education, so Hi manage all right, be real