Speaker 1: I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When
Speaker 1: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 1: And when I find my.
Speaker 2: Ball in a brid egg Friday egg, the dreaded Frida
Speaker 2: egg Frida egg Frida egg Bride.
Speaker 1: Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off the.
Speaker 2: Meg. How many majors is Rose a gonna win?
Speaker 3: Right in there? Huh?
Speaker 2: I need a number, I need a number.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the predictions and prognostications are out there. Huh.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 4: I think so a lot of talk was about Beverly
Speaker 4: Hansen and Rose, you know, joining her in that elite
Speaker 4: company of winning their first professional little debut. Beverly Hanson
Speaker 4: won three majors and I think one a total of
Speaker 4: like seventeen times. I'll just put let's put Rose up
Speaker 4: there with Beverly.
Speaker 2: That's the over under three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'll do. I think.
Speaker 2: I think that's on the lower end of the predictions
Speaker 2: that might be coming out earlier this week.
Speaker 3: It's definitely lower.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think the combination of the depth of
Speaker 4: the LPGA tour right now, as well as shorter careers
Speaker 4: for the women, there are more majors to win majors
Speaker 4: in quotes there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think, listen, that's that's a.
Speaker 4: Hell of a career if that's if that's what she
Speaker 4: goes out and does, so I'll keep I'll try and
Speaker 4: keep keep the expectations somewhat mild. It feels weird to
Speaker 4: say three majors is mild, but yeah, yeah, there's a
Speaker 4: lot out there.
Speaker 2: I kind of had the over under in my mind
Speaker 2: at four. I'm with you because if you think about
Speaker 2: the best players in the women's game right now, does
Speaker 2: anyone have more than two majors at this point?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I mean NB Park obviously is the most recent example
Speaker 2: of a dominant major championship player.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 2: But she and I'm not saying that she's done, but
Speaker 2: she's out for the time being. I believe she's having
Speaker 2: a baby, yes, and she's in her mid mid getting
Speaker 2: into her late thirties, so yeah, she had.
Speaker 3: A baby just not too long ago.
Speaker 4: And you know she her first one was eight and
Speaker 4: that was the end of Monica's career. Yes, Loreno Choa,
Speaker 4: you know was wrapping it up as well, I do.
Speaker 4: I mean, yes, there was plenty of talent. You know,
Speaker 4: what was that you know, that's fifteen years ago or
Speaker 4: so now, but the talent has just increased substantially with
Speaker 4: with how good the college game has gotten, which with
Speaker 4: how much more global the game has gotten. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know. I mean, she could absolutely
Speaker 4: prove us wrong, go out there and get you know,
Speaker 4: nb ankolevel of majors. But I think when it comes
Speaker 4: to the predicting majors, I'm always going to kind of
Speaker 4: be on the under because time and time again we
Speaker 4: see a breakout performance like this and it's like, well,
Speaker 4: this sky's the limit, but it's like, well, let's, you know,
Speaker 4: bring back down to earth a little bit.
Speaker 2: The tendency is to go over, way over in these
Speaker 2: kinds of predictions. But obviously we have a very exciting
Speaker 2: story unfolding on the LPGA tour right now, and that's
Speaker 2: what we're talking about today. So you're listening to the
Speaker 2: frieda Egg Podcast. I'm Garrett Morrison, that's Meg Atkins, and
Speaker 2: today we're focusing on Roseanng, who just won the Mizuho
Speaker 2: America's Open in her first start as a professional. She
Speaker 2: had a historic amateur career. We've talked about that on
Speaker 2: this podcast. She showed signs of being a truly special talent.
Speaker 2: And now here she is on the LPGA Tour and
Speaker 2: in her first week she completely justifies the hype, sends
Speaker 2: it into overdrive. Absolutely incredible story, and we're gonna devote
Speaker 2: this basically this entire episode to it. So after Meg
Speaker 2: and I chat for a bit, we're going to bring
Speaker 2: on Justin Ray to talk about a few of his
Speaker 2: favorite Roseng stats, and then we'll speak with Brendan Quinn
Speaker 2: about Roseng the person. So, Meg, we both watched Rose's
Speaker 2: final round yesterday. It was a bit of a struggle.
Speaker 2: The course was playing hard. She didn't make a single
Speaker 2: birdie all day, yet she still managed to win in
Speaker 2: a playoff over Jennifer a Cup Show. Was there a
Speaker 2: moment or two from Roses round yesterday that stood out
Speaker 2: for you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that putt on seventeen, you know she
Speaker 4: was I think Karen Stupples was like, I'm so nervous
Speaker 4: for this putt. It's so difficult, the lengthy, lengthy putt
Speaker 4: that she ends up you know, two putting and gets
Speaker 4: out of seventeen, goes to eighteen with the one shot lead.
Speaker 3: The recovery shot on twelve. I believe where she.
Speaker 4: You know, just yanked one left and then went over
Speaker 4: the trees, leans it on the green. She you know,
Speaker 4: yes she didn't have any birdies, but she never let
Speaker 4: that big number happen recovery wise, you know, leaning on
Speaker 4: her short game when she needed to, so that that
Speaker 4: big number was never never happened for her. And I
Speaker 4: think you know that she kept it on the rails
Speaker 4: on a difficult day. And I think another thing that
Speaker 4: you know, kind of played into the final round was, yes,
Speaker 4: she was in the final group, but she was with
Speaker 4: Anna Davis, who she's very familiar with, and a Tia
Speaker 4: Titikun who wasn't really a factor, you know, never really
Speaker 4: pushed her. And you know, yes the ti Titikin is
Speaker 4: a fantastic player, but very friendly.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could.
Speaker 2: This is not like this is not like an intimidating,
Speaker 2: older experienced major winning golfer that she was paired with.
Speaker 2: She was paired with a peer.
Speaker 4: And she, you know, the many times that we were
Speaker 4: waiting for them to play their shots and the cameras
Speaker 4: were on their group, it was very friendly, chatting, smiling,
Speaker 4: and so she's in this final group. You know, first
Speaker 4: first tournament of her pro career and her final group's
Speaker 4: rooting for her. You know, they showed Anna Davis walking
Speaker 4: next to her. I think she kind of maybe put
Speaker 4: her arm around her as they're walking down eighteen, and
Speaker 4: I think that definitely played into you know, her her
Speaker 4: bringing it home the playoff certainly, you know, playing with
Speaker 4: Jennifer Cupschow major winner that you know she handled that
Speaker 4: with with you know, getting herself in trouble in that sandtrap.
Speaker 4: That was another shot, you know, looking back at the day,
Speaker 4: that was incredible, you know, to get it over the lip.
Speaker 4: I think nobody expected her to get at that close,
Speaker 4: missing the putt, missing the putt for par on eighteen,
Speaker 4: and then having very similar up and down on the
Speaker 4: first playoff hole.
Speaker 3: And really put in it was a little longer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe so, but it was it was you know,
Speaker 4: she rolled that in and then the the dagger, the finish,
Speaker 4: the finish, her move on the second playoff hole with
Speaker 4: that hybrid to six eight feet or so just so impressive.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think I think that round it was
Speaker 4: it was tough conditions, but the friendly group, you know,
Speaker 4: playing in the final group with two friendly competitors there
Speaker 4: certainly certainly helped the case. And then yeah, she just
Speaker 4: did what we've seen her do, shut the door on
Speaker 4: Cup show on the second hole, and here we are.
Speaker 2: She didn't put particularly well this week, and we may
Speaker 2: end up talking about that with Justin Ray, but I
Speaker 2: did notice that she made a couple of really big
Speaker 2: puts at the right moments, a ten foot or so
Speaker 2: on seventeen in regulation. And then that putt that you
Speaker 2: mentioned on the first playoff hole, which she had just
Speaker 2: missed a version of not ten or fifteen minutes before,
Speaker 2: and so that was incredibly impressive, and that hybrid on
Speaker 2: the second playoff hole was absolutely unbelievable. But signature Roseng stuff.
Speaker 2: This is what she's really good at, that sort of
Speaker 2: ball striking mode, hitting tough approaches really close. So you
Speaker 2: watched her at the ann why as did I? What
Speaker 2: do you think makes her a special player? Like, what's
Speaker 2: the mixture here? If there's like a recipe for different
Speaker 2: kinds of golfing greatness that we've seen over the years,
Speaker 2: what is Roseng's recipe?
Speaker 4: Her steadiness to me is up there. When she does
Speaker 4: put herself in trouble like we saw on twelve with
Speaker 4: the recovery shot there. She's has the ability obviously to
Speaker 4: pull off those shots, but it's more just the consistency
Speaker 4: and steadiness. It's kind of when you know, Jin Youngko
Speaker 4: gets in that groove where it's like, you know, the
Speaker 4: big mistake is not going to happen. Rose has a
Speaker 4: similar a similar consistency with her ball striking and then
Speaker 4: the short game, the chipping the around the greens is
Speaker 4: so steady that if she is out of position, you know,
Speaker 4: she gets herself, you know, a makeable putt for power
Speaker 4: or whatever it may be, to kind of keep things,
Speaker 4: like I said, on the rails and not give up
Speaker 4: more than Bogie. I think like outside of the game,
Speaker 4: like going back to Anoa after her second round at
Speaker 4: Champions Retreat, she was kind of doing her little press
Speaker 4: conference outside of the clubhouse and whatnot, and she was
Speaker 4: up by five. Had I'd watched her whole back nine,
Speaker 4: I believe, and saw her just do things on that
Speaker 4: course that none of the other players were doing. And
Speaker 4: the way that you know, she downplayed it so much
Speaker 4: in that in that interview is like did you not
Speaker 4: see what just what you just did? And so I
Speaker 4: think that that and that's you know, we'll probably get
Speaker 4: into it with Brendan downplaying her her model, Like, for
Speaker 4: as good as she is at golf, she might be
Speaker 4: better at downplaying what she does, Like her modesty might
Speaker 4: be better than her golf game. And I think whether
Speaker 4: that kind of just mentally keeps her in check and
Speaker 4: helps her you know, not fight, but like not you know,
Speaker 4: accept all the expectations and the crazy things that are
Speaker 4: being said about her, because she has mentally downplayed a
Speaker 4: lot of what she's done for so long. So I
Speaker 4: think maybe when we when we talk about what she
Speaker 4: going to do, you know, how's the rest of the
Speaker 4: summer this year going to look like, Like, yes, the
Speaker 4: hype is you know, an overdrive right now, but I
Speaker 4: think another one of her her weapons outside of her
Speaker 4: golf game is the mental you know, keeping things in
Speaker 4: check with her how humble she is and how modest
Speaker 4: she is to kind of yeah, everybody else may be
Speaker 4: saying this, but I'm just going to keep on doing
Speaker 4: what I'm doing and not buy into a lot of
Speaker 4: that hype.
Speaker 2: We'll see if that attitude remains sustainable as she accomplishes
Speaker 2: more and more at the top level. Because I think
Speaker 2: that you're right she genuinely sees herself as I don't
Speaker 2: know if she sees herself as unexceptional. That's kind of
Speaker 2: the way that she talks about herself, and I think
Speaker 2: that that is not just false modesty. I think that's
Speaker 2: part of who she is, that she doesn't think a
Speaker 2: lot about how she compares to other people. I thought
Speaker 2: one of the most insightful parts of Brendan's profile was
Speaker 2: when he dug into how some great athletes in the past,
Speaker 2: many great athletes in the past, like Kobe Bryant, for instance,
Speaker 2: have had an idol that they both love and hate.
Speaker 2: For Kobe, it was Michael Jordan. Everything that he did
Speaker 2: from the time he was young was to compare himself
Speaker 2: to Michael Jordan. Roseng doesn't do that with an Aka
Speaker 2: Sornstam or Loreno o'choa or inb Park. She genuinely doesn't
Speaker 2: seem to have that frame of reference. And so that's
Speaker 2: useful because she's just focused on herself and getting better
Speaker 2: and there's a very much a humility in that. But
Speaker 2: I just wonder if that that sort of lack of comparison,
Speaker 2: that you know, very individual approach to things, not thinking
Speaker 2: of herself as being extraordinary just somebody who's working really hard,
Speaker 2: is going to be sustainable if she like wins a
Speaker 2: couple of majors for instance, Like what's that going to
Speaker 2: do to her psyche. I don't know that it's going
Speaker 2: to do anything bad, but it just seems like you
Speaker 2: can't maintain that attitude forever.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's zero swag in her game. And if
Speaker 4: she keeps winning, like is it gonna like how do
Speaker 4: you how do you have the accolades and the accomplishments
Speaker 4: that she has if she keeps winning, if she if
Speaker 4: this is the beginning of of the the Hall of
Speaker 4: Fame career, Like it's it's so when you think of
Speaker 4: the other you know, major star athletes and other sports
Speaker 4: like roses, swagger is non existent. Like she she she
Speaker 4: has the game to have plenty of it, and she
Speaker 4: you know, like like for example, the hybrid, like you know,
Speaker 4: that's so she does. But she's got a smile on
Speaker 4: her face, gives a gives a nice hug when she's
Speaker 4: finished wrapping.
Speaker 2: Up shot because in the air she was kind of
Speaker 2: like there's a little bit of doubt. She was sort
Speaker 2: of like, is that is that all right?
Speaker 3: It's like Yeah, it's good. It's good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like she yeah, she'll she has plenty of ways
Speaker 4: to beat you, but she does them all with a
Speaker 4: smile on her face and then an aw shuck's attitude
Speaker 4: after the fact. So yeah, that does not match up
Speaker 4: with with other superstars.
Speaker 3: We'll see. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. The
Speaker 3: two don't which. Like, let's get I want to be
Speaker 3: you know straight about this. I love that. I like
Speaker 3: that about her. It's it's very different. It's it's it's.
Speaker 4: Once you hear her and listen to her talk, you
Speaker 4: realize it's not it's not false. It is how she is.
Speaker 4: And I think it's it's makes her more unique that
Speaker 4: she is that way and doesn't have the swagger and
Speaker 4: the the you know, bravado that many athletes do. But
Speaker 4: it definitely doesn't match up with her skill level and
Speaker 4: how good she is at golf.
Speaker 2: A little bit of expectation management here. I have to
Speaker 2: say this. I am very excited about what Rose is
Speaker 2: going to do. I saw her play at the end
Speaker 2: wise I've mentioned a couple of times, and when I
Speaker 2: was I was blown away by her game, Like she
Speaker 2: is just such a good ball striker, so consistent, makes
Speaker 2: so few mistakes out there on the course, and that's
Speaker 2: just a great formula for being great at any level
Speaker 2: of golf. But a little bit of perspective here a
Speaker 2: Taia Titikun, whom she played with on Sunday at the Mizuho,
Speaker 2: is also twenty years old, is number six in the world,
Speaker 2: has won twice on the LPGA Tour and four times
Speaker 2: on the LT. Another great young player on the LPGA
Speaker 2: Tour is Running Yin, also twenty years old, a little
Speaker 2: bit older but still twenty. Won the LA Open in April,
Speaker 2: number twenty three in the world. Yukisaso won the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one US Open at the age of eighteen inb
Speaker 2: Park was nineteen. Sorry I said eighteen. Yukasasa was nineteen.
Speaker 2: I believe NB was nineteen when she won her first major,
Speaker 2: also a US Open, of course, won multiple majors in many,
Speaker 2: many LPGA Tour events as a teenager. So women golfers
Speaker 2: have traditionally come of age earlier than male golfers, and
Speaker 2: so the tempting comparisons to PGA Tour accomplishments have to
Speaker 2: be put in that context. And we have to remember
Speaker 2: that Roseng has peers on the LPGA Tour who have
Speaker 2: been professionals for a while and have won events and
Speaker 2: are high in the Rolex rankings, and so yes, we
Speaker 2: should be very excited about what Rose is accomplishing, but
Speaker 2: we also can't be expecting her to win absolutely everything
Speaker 2: for the rest of time. If she does, that would
Speaker 2: be great. I'd be more thrilled than anybody, But we
Speaker 2: have to keep in mind that this level of mastery
Speaker 2: at her age is not unprecedented.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the most thing from from this from this weekend
Speaker 4: was the the nineteen fifty one record. I mean, the
Speaker 4: focus on the age and everything was one thing, but like, yes,
Speaker 4: there are peers there. We've seen this, We've seen younger
Speaker 4: we've seen quicker wins, We've seen you know, majors as teenagers.
Speaker 4: So yeah, the the true outlier was just winning in
Speaker 4: your professional debut that had it happened in seventy two years.
Speaker 4: You know, we heard a lot about that. But yeah,
Speaker 4: the peers are there. I think, you know, talk has
Speaker 4: already started about Pebble. I'm interested to see how she
Speaker 4: performs in that major when the stakes are that much
Speaker 4: higher than they were at Liberty National. If she's plays
Speaker 4: in the weekend with you know, a Nelly Kordajinjenco, Brooke Henderson,
Speaker 4: you know, when they're not rooting for her to win
Speaker 4: because they want that major.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see, we'll see how that goes. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: if it's a.
Speaker 2: Little windy and course, I mean, the course was tough
Speaker 2: this weekend. There was some win this weekend, so let's
Speaker 2: not downplay that. But I did see her struggle at
Speaker 2: a very complicated course in tough conditions at the anwhile
Speaker 2: on Saturday at Augusta National, And so yeah, I have
Speaker 2: I still want to see her prove her abilities at
Speaker 2: some more complex courses for sure.
Speaker 3: Agreed, agreed.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a quick break and then Justin
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Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks for having me, guys. It is a momentous
Speaker 6: Monday morning after a huge day in golf.
Speaker 2: This is a true victory Monday here. So I asked
Speaker 2: you to come on and share a few of your
Speaker 2: favorite Roseang related stats just to kind of contextualize what
Speaker 2: we're seeing here. So why don't we dig right in.
Speaker 2: What's your first one that you got?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I'll start with the one that you probably
Speaker 6: heard four hundred and seventy eight thousand times and that
Speaker 6: she's the first player to win an LPGA event in
Speaker 6: her pro debut since nineteen fifty one when Beverly Hansen
Speaker 6: did it at the Old Eastern Open. That one we
Speaker 6: started early in the week kind of trying to excavate
Speaker 6: to try to find the answer to that question. Uh,
Speaker 6: the tour itself did not know, so I had to
Speaker 6: go through a bunch of different other resources and try
Speaker 6: to find that out. But I was determined to. And
Speaker 6: then when Rose lit it up on Saturday. It was
Speaker 6: basically like, Okay, this might actually happen. So I was
Speaker 6: glad to have done all the previous leg work. It
Speaker 6: all kind of worked out really well, but it was cool.
Speaker 6: It's always cool coming up with something and trying to
Speaker 6: contextualize something and no one really had the answer beforehand.
Speaker 6: So but Beverly Hanson did do it. She had won
Speaker 6: as an amateur on the LPGA Tour and then the
Speaker 6: following year turned professional and then her first start she won.
Speaker 6: And Jennifer Kopcho, who finished runner up yesterday, actually had
Speaker 6: some good company because Beverly Hanson beat Babees of Harrius
Speaker 6: by three shots. So some some pretty decent names there
Speaker 6: to finish runner up to to one legend or one
Speaker 6: one player from the past, and then one you know potential,
Speaker 6: you know, generational type talent.
Speaker 2: I like that there's a link between Roseang and Babes
Speaker 2: of harriis now already didn't take long, did it exactly?
Speaker 4: When you talk justin about like having to dig and
Speaker 4: go to multiple resources to find this stuff, I was curious, like,
Speaker 4: you know, as Rose is now starting her LPGA career,
Speaker 4: we know the stats aren't out there for the women's
Speaker 4: game like they are for the men's game. Is it
Speaker 4: How much harder is it for you to pull stuff
Speaker 4: and put things into context when you know it's not
Speaker 4: as easily as easily accessible as it is for the
Speaker 4: men's game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's tough. I mean, it's taken some time over
Speaker 6: the last several years as I've kind of dug more
Speaker 6: into the women's game. When the years I was at
Speaker 6: ESPN and then Golf Channel, I didn't really have the
Speaker 6: opportunity to cover the women a whole lot. But I've
Speaker 6: gotten more of an opportunity to and I've I've kind
Speaker 6: of found myself building the resources myself over time. There's
Speaker 6: been a lot of digging through old newspaper articles online
Speaker 6: and kind of establishing things. But I will give the
Speaker 6: LPGA a ton of credit because over the last i'd
Speaker 6: say five years or so, they've really amped up their
Speaker 6: clarity in terms of numbers and statistics and history and
Speaker 6: they've done a really good job at that. And then
Speaker 6: the commitment that KPMG made and the LPGA made to
Speaker 6: the Performance Insights is really big too. We actually a
Speaker 6: big public rollout of a new website. It's gonna be
Speaker 6: accessible to fans. It is coming very soon, so I'm
Speaker 6: happy about that. But yeah, no, it is tougher because
Speaker 6: there's sorry guys, hopefully can edit that up. It is
Speaker 6: tougher because there's just not the wealth of resources. Like
Speaker 6: you said, it just doesn't exist. And I've built a
Speaker 6: lot of stuff like that for myself over time with
Speaker 6: the men's game, and I've kind of tried to replicate
Speaker 6: that a little bit over the last few years for
Speaker 6: the women. But yeah, it was difficult, but I was
Speaker 6: glad we were able to come up with an answer.
Speaker 2: All right, hit us with you next one.
Speaker 6: So we all know that she became the first player
Speaker 6: to win the NCAA Individual Division one title multiple times,
Speaker 6: first woman to do that, to win it twice. She's
Speaker 6: also now the first player to win that and an
Speaker 6: LPGA event in the same season, and she did it
Speaker 6: in about fourteen days, which is unbelievable. I mean to
Speaker 6: think that nobody had done it. Stacy Lewis actually won
Speaker 6: an unofficial event in two thousand and seven, the year
Speaker 6: she won the D one title at Arkansas. That was
Speaker 6: an event that was basically short. It was shortened to
Speaker 6: one round because of weather though, so definitely a whole
Speaker 6: different ball of axe there. But first player to ever
Speaker 6: win the NCAA D one title and then win an
Speaker 6: LPGA event in the same season. On the men's side,
Speaker 6: it's been done a few times. Matthew Wolfe was the
Speaker 6: last guy to do it. He won the three of
Speaker 6: them open the same year he won at Oklahoma State
Speaker 6: won the D one title, But it's the first time
Speaker 6: a woman has ever done it.
Speaker 3: Has anybody won multiple, No, So.
Speaker 6: She's already in her own she's off and running. There's
Speaker 6: gonna be a lot of first side of the feeling,
Speaker 6: you know, like I would, I would estimate it's a
Speaker 6: pretty much a certain Nich's gonna be on the Solheim
Speaker 6: Cup team. But the big question was just was going
Speaker 6: to be eligible, and she took care of that in
Speaker 6: her first start. So there's a whole lot of first
Speaker 6: on the way and she's the first to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, just the fact that she went
Speaker 2: to college is kind of opening up a lot of
Speaker 2: these possibilities as well. You know that you didn't turn
Speaker 2: pro as a as a teenager. Now she's in this
Speaker 2: transition from college to pro and I'm not sure that
Speaker 2: we've seen many players who were so ready to turn
Speaker 2: pro as she is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's it's pretty unprecedent. I think it's a
Speaker 6: huge day for women's college golf as well, because it
Speaker 6: just speaks to the level of competition, the level play
Speaker 6: that they've had, that she was able to, you know,
Speaker 6: hunt her skills on a stage that maybe hasn't been
Speaker 6: as readily embraced as you know, you know, female athletes,
Speaker 6: whether it's golf for tennis, that they tend to turn
Speaker 6: professional a lot quicker. But I mean you saw here.
Speaker 6: I mean, you can go to college for two years,
Speaker 6: you know, compete in the NCAAs and be ready to go,
Speaker 6: you know, in terms of winning the highest amateur events.
Speaker 6: So she did AUGUSTA National and then first time she
Speaker 6: gets to tee it up as a pro, obviously she
Speaker 6: goes out there and gets the win. All right, next one, Okay,
Speaker 6: So I thought this was interesting because of the company
Speaker 6: on the list, But it's very rare for a sponsors
Speaker 6: invite to win on the LPGA Tour. She's the first
Speaker 6: to win as a sponsor invitations is Lydia Coe in
Speaker 6: twenty thirteen, and then before that it was Lydia the
Speaker 6: previous year, and then before that it was Lexi Thompson.
Speaker 6: So that's the kind of company she's kept over the
Speaker 6: last ten plus years. In terms of sponsors. Invites to
Speaker 6: win on the LPGA Tour does not happen very often,
Speaker 6: and when it does, they've usually picked the right one, right,
Speaker 6: They've turned out to be major champions and stars of
Speaker 6: the game. That's undoubtedly what Rose is at this point.
Speaker 2: So she doesn't need sponsor exemptions anymore. I guess no
Speaker 2: that she does not.
Speaker 6: I don't know, just think she will for a very
Speaker 6: long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw some some people kind of working out
Speaker 2: before the tournament. All right, what does Rose need to
Speaker 2: do in the next couple of months in order to
Speaker 2: earn her LPGA Tour card? And I guess this is
Speaker 2: this is sort of took seventy yeah, yeah, seventy four exactly,
Speaker 2: all right. Now, we didn't actually come up with an
Speaker 2: exact number for you to for stats that you would
Speaker 2: you would come up with, So I don't know what
Speaker 2: number we're shooting toward. But is there anything else that
Speaker 2: you have.
Speaker 6: To I got a handful more so looking at what
Speaker 6: she's done since the beginning of Stanford's fall, season in
Speaker 6: fall of twenty two. She's played twelve stroke play events, amateur, professional, whatever,
Speaker 6: twelve stroke play events. She's won ten of them. She
Speaker 6: finished fifth and twelfth in the other two. What happened
Speaker 6: when she finished twelfth? What's going on? I mean, totally
Speaker 6: dropped the ball. She's one hundred and eleven under par.
Speaker 6: I guess, I guess she's one hundred and eleven under par,
Speaker 6: and that's ban. Her scoring averages is under sixty nine.
Speaker 6: So ten for twelve. I'd like to meet the two
Speaker 6: women who beat her or won those two events in
Speaker 6: that stretch. But that's some Tiger esque stuff. And look,
Speaker 6: the ties to Tiger are everywhere right Stanford, the number
Speaker 6: of victories she tied Tiger in terms of wins at Stanford,
Speaker 6: getting a win this quick, winning the NCAA individual title,
Speaker 6: all that different stuff. And that's something that when you
Speaker 6: look back over the last thirty years or so, the
Speaker 6: only guy who had put together a run like that
Speaker 6: is Tiger Woods. So I thought yesterday too, it was
Speaker 6: a little bit, you know, the way she kind of
Speaker 6: managed her round and didn't play very aggressive. We always
Speaker 6: talk about when whenever you talk about Tiger, the hot,
Speaker 6: the superlative numbers come up, like winning the US opened
Speaker 6: by fifteen, and you know all the different times he
Speaker 6: had blots, but before like every one of those wins,
Speaker 6: there's three or four where he came out with a
Speaker 6: three shot lead and shot seventy two and one by one.
Speaker 6: Like think about how he finished the twenty nineteen Masters.
Speaker 6: He on the eighteenth hole, played it conservatively, laid up,
Speaker 6: made bogie, and won by a shot. That's kind of
Speaker 6: what Rose did a lot of the day. Now, she
Speaker 6: missed that birdie put I think I was sixteen. That
Speaker 6: was kind of after that really great approach. But think
Speaker 6: about how she got there. I mean, she was not
Speaker 6: attacking flags, she was laying back a lot. She knew
Speaker 6: the situation she was in, and really told me, like,
Speaker 6: this is a person who was a lot of experience
Speaker 6: winning golf tournaments, because that's the point, right, it's not
Speaker 6: necessarily make the most birdies and get to a certain number.
Speaker 6: She's looking at the leader board, she's reading for context,
Speaker 6: she knows what shots she has to hit. And I
Speaker 6: thought that that was kind of really kind of reminiscent
Speaker 6: of a lot of different sundays we've seen with Tiger
Speaker 6: in the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and it's sort of an argument for
Speaker 2: this gradual step up process of breaking into professional golf
Speaker 2: as opposed to going straight to the LPGA Tour, going
Speaker 2: to college first and winning a bunch there and getting
Speaker 2: used to winning. You know, there's something to be said
Speaker 2: for that, because one thing that you cannot say about
Speaker 2: Rose is that she doesn't know how to win, because
Speaker 2: she's just she's done it so much that it's habitual
Speaker 2: at this point for her.
Speaker 6: You've got to think too, and all that experience maybe
Speaker 6: aided her and making some of those decisions yesterday, whether
Speaker 6: it was you know, her choices off the tee or
Speaker 6: different pins to go at. It was a difficult golf
Speaker 6: course out there yesterday, played to about I think it
Speaker 6: was well over seven was the scoring average for the field.
Speaker 6: It was not an easy day out there, and she
Speaker 6: was able to manage herself around the course and you know,
Speaker 6: almost didn't get it done, but was able to pull
Speaker 6: it off in a playoff. And that's that's just kind
Speaker 6: of what I I was kept thinking about that a
Speaker 6: lot like this kind of feels like someone who's really
Speaker 6: experienced in these shoes and can manage her way to
Speaker 6: a victory when she.
Speaker 2: Does never best stuff all right, anything else, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: want to get.
Speaker 6: Into the performance specific stuff. This was the thing I
Speaker 6: was really excited to dig into. So I work closely
Speaker 6: with the KPMG performance insights week in week out, and
Speaker 6: it's a little bit of a lag time to get
Speaker 6: the strokes game, but we got it this morning after
Speaker 6: it all got processed. She won this tournament despite having
Speaker 6: negative strokes gain putting. I think that is unbelievably encouraging
Speaker 6: because as anybody who whether you're a gambler or daily
Speaker 6: fancy person who just a fan of golf, knows, week
Speaker 6: to week ball striking is more, it translates more week
Speaker 6: to week, right putting is a little bit more variant.
Speaker 6: Rose one with negative strokes gain putting, meaning she didn't
Speaker 6: rely on making a zillion feet of putts to break
Speaker 6: away from the pack. Her game was absolutely complete. She
Speaker 6: led the field and driving accuracy led the field, and
Speaker 6: strokes came tea to green, second and greens in regulation,
Speaker 6: second in strokes came around the green. It was all
Speaker 6: there to the point where she didn't need to make
Speaker 6: everything inside. That doesn't mean she didn't make some clutch
Speaker 6: putts as you saw coming down the stretch the ten
Speaker 6: foot she made I think on seventeen to keep herself
Speaker 6: in it. You know, she made her fair share of
Speaker 6: them to save those pars, especially on the front nine yesterday.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I thought that was really cool that and
Speaker 6: really promising for a future going forward. She's got more
Speaker 6: in the bag because she didn't even have a hot
Speaker 6: putter all week and she was able to get the
Speaker 6: win in her first strive as bro.
Speaker 2: And so you know, what are the parts of the
Speaker 2: game right now that are looking extraordinary, Like essentially, how
Speaker 2: is she winning tournaments?
Speaker 6: She's unbelievably accurate off the tea. I think you could
Speaker 6: probably tell that because she had some Matsiyamish reactions. There's
Speaker 6: some shots off the tea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the one handed finish, it's like left center
Speaker 2: of the fairway.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, oh it's terrible, and it's it's like the
Speaker 6: right center part of the fairway. Like, so she hit
Speaker 6: more fairways than anybody in the field, and that stuff
Speaker 6: to do on the LPGA. They're much more accurate tee
Speaker 6: than the men are. And then she's got great iron play,
Speaker 6: approach play. She was where I got eleventh in strokes,
Speaker 6: skin approach for the week, but tied for second in
Speaker 6: greens and regulation in the field. She's got every club
Speaker 6: in the bag in terms of around the green as
Speaker 6: far as I can tell, a lot of really good
Speaker 6: wed shots, a lot of good shots around the green.
Speaker 6: And she, like I said, she didn't have her best
Speaker 6: putting performance, but she had everything else going. And it's
Speaker 6: not like she's not a good putter. She can definitely
Speaker 6: turn it on. And I think that's a pretty scary
Speaker 6: proposition because if she if she even was maybe fifteenth
Speaker 6: or twentieth in strokes game punting, she would have won
Speaker 6: last week by five. Just if she was a little
Speaker 6: bit above average among the players who made the cut,
Speaker 6: she would have won by four or five.
Speaker 4: Six guys, the driving accuracy is pretty wild, like you said, Garrett,
Speaker 4: just considering how accurate the women's game, how accurate they
Speaker 4: are off the tea. I mean, to lead that in
Speaker 4: your first tournament is crazy.
Speaker 6: There are weeks where the field will average between seventy
Speaker 6: and seventy five percent as a field, right, you know,
Speaker 6: I mean it's crazy, it's it's and and for her
Speaker 6: to be first in her first you know, tries a
Speaker 6: pro is pretty staggering.
Speaker 4: We were we were talking earlier about kind of tempering
Speaker 4: expectations and not like, you know, buying totally into the
Speaker 4: hype the hype train here. But I was thinking, like,
Speaker 4: she's got the junior and the AM and we have
Speaker 4: the open coming up at Pebble Is. And I may
Speaker 4: have this wrong, but the name Joey and Carner's name
Speaker 4: comes to mind as someone who's won all three. I
Speaker 4: don't know if there's somebody anybody else who's done that,
Speaker 4: but that will be I think. Yeah, when you talk
Speaker 4: about the next month like Pebble Is just gets amplified
Speaker 4: even more after after what happened yesterday. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: I'm you know, talking about both sides of my mouth
Speaker 4: staying let's temper expectations and throw that out there. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I was just thinking of the the wins in the
Speaker 4: junior career and now we've got this win on the
Speaker 4: pro career and quite the stage coming up soon at
Speaker 4: Pebble Meg.
Speaker 6: I'm really glad that you were able to expand that
Speaker 6: point because I was able to quickly look up. You're typing, yeah, answer,
Speaker 6: and yeah, Joey and Carter is the only player to
Speaker 6: win the girls Junior, the Women's Amateur, and the Women's Open.
Speaker 6: So yeah, you're spine on.
Speaker 2: So wow, some more thank you. Thank you for stretching
Speaker 2: out a couple extra sentence answer. Yeah, that's a tweet,
Speaker 2: Justin right there, all right, Justin. Thank you so much
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Speaker 5: Us, Thank you for having me. I'm proud to be
Speaker 5: back on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you are a guest on the show. I
Speaker 2: often prevail upon you to to come on here and
Speaker 2: very grateful that you keep coming back. So last week
Speaker 2: you wrote a profile of Roseng for The Athletic called
Speaker 2: the World is Ready for Roseng? Is she ready for
Speaker 2: the world? Do you think she answered that question this week?
Speaker 5: I mean, that was that was unbelievable. It is it's
Speaker 5: you You imagine how you know, the these kind of
Speaker 5: athletes that you follow are going to translate what they
Speaker 5: do into a new setting, whether it's like a player
Speaker 5: leading one team and joining another team. And it's just like,
Speaker 5: you know, what's the what's the most storybook version of
Speaker 5: how this goes? And it's like, I mean to go
Speaker 5: and win the first event, you know, in the shadow
Speaker 5: of Manhattan and the Statue of Liberty, like you could
Speaker 5: just see all these corporate sponsors were just like.
Speaker 6: Happy, big party.
Speaker 5: Corporate sponsors who have been on this train for a
Speaker 5: long time and to get immediate payoff was quite a thing.
Speaker 5: But just the way that she's handled everything. I've actually
Speaker 5: wondered if it might be even underappreciated, just what it
Speaker 5: took to win this week, you know, I mean they finished,
Speaker 5: Stanford finished NCAA's on May twenty third, and then she's
Speaker 5: just been going since, like because she's still in school.
Speaker 2: So she's she's like taking finals and sea she's got
Speaker 2: she's got a.
Speaker 3: Few finals this week.
Speaker 5: Yeah. The last week spoke was the Sunday before the
Speaker 5: story ran, so it was like the twenty eighth or something,
Speaker 5: so not this Sunday that she won, but the full
Speaker 5: week prior. And at that time she was talking about
Speaker 5: like I've got a test in my Chinese course, and
Speaker 5: I've got three other quizzes due, and I've got to
Speaker 5: get ready for finals. I have to move because I
Speaker 5: have to get out of my the dorm space that
Speaker 5: she's in, and I have a lab tomorrow or a
Speaker 5: couple of days or was it a csp seid. I
Speaker 5: don't even know what the hell that means, but it's
Speaker 5: something at Stanford, so I assume it's hard. It sounds
Speaker 5: like she's.
Speaker 2: Taking real classes like that she's not taking the not
Speaker 2: taking we used to call them in college gut classes
Speaker 2: where it was just like not a real class, it's
Speaker 2: pretty easy a and whatever. But it seems like she's
Speaker 2: taking some classes that are actually kind of hard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I went to one with I went
Speaker 5: to a computer programming course and it took me ten
Speaker 5: to fifteen minutes to even realize like what the course
Speaker 5: was because the guy that the ta just went to
Speaker 5: the board, just started coding on the chalkboard, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: there were just these equations. But I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: is this like a math course? Is this I don't
Speaker 5: I don't understand what we're talking about. He finally said, like,
Speaker 5: you know, when you're when your computer programming, blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, okay, it's a computer program This says
Speaker 5: a lot about me, but you know, yes, no, she's
Speaker 5: definitely in some real, uh Stanford classes. I don't know
Speaker 5: how many fake courses are at Stanford, but she's she's
Speaker 5: doing the real deal.
Speaker 2: I think there are probably probably a few out there,
Speaker 2: you know, but but it seems like she is at
Speaker 2: least taken some computer science that would be beyond most
Speaker 2: people's abilities. So you've been working on this profile for
Speaker 2: a while. You know, there are pieces of your article
Speaker 2: that take place, you know, not last week. And so
Speaker 2: you know, aside from the fact that she has an
Speaker 2: incredible golf game and has had put together an amazing
Speaker 2: college resume, what made her a compelling subject to write
Speaker 2: about for you?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I think it's always the the idea of the
Speaker 5: prodigy is really always at the core of it when
Speaker 5: you hear you know. And I first learned over Rose
Speaker 5: from Afar like most golf fans, golf people, you know,
Speaker 5: through the Stanford Peace on no Laying Up and other
Speaker 5: you know ventures that had that She's gonna continue, and
Speaker 5: you always see her win, right. You'd see the the
Speaker 5: USGA tweet out basically three times a year like congratulations
Speaker 5: to you know, the junior girls water Rosa, and you
Speaker 5: just see the name and see the name and see
Speaker 5: the name, and you're just like, who is this person?
Speaker 5: What is going on?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 5: So I was just kind of basically curious about it,
Speaker 5: And then I planned a trip to Arizona kind of
Speaker 5: the how the Sausage Gets made version of like how
Speaker 5: the story kind of came to be, And part is
Speaker 5: I went out to Arizona for a few days to
Speaker 5: do basketball and golf. So it was the preseason for hoops.
Speaker 5: So I wanted to go to Arizona and Arizona State.
Speaker 5: So I sat down with Bobby Hurley at Arizona State
Speaker 5: one day, and I went down to Tucson and spent
Speaker 5: some time with Pela Larson, who's a basketball player there.
Speaker 5: But then it was that it was coincided with a
Speaker 5: Callaway sh there where they bring in all their big guns.
Speaker 5: I got, you know, through some people who work with Callaway,
Speaker 5: got a list of like who is going to be there, right,
Speaker 5: so it's rom It's all their players, and there was
Speaker 5: Rose's name, and it's like, you know, maybe this is
Speaker 5: a long play, you know, and just kind of spend
Speaker 5: spend a couple of days with her here, start to
Speaker 5: build a relationship, you know, not to write anything now,
Speaker 5: but down the line. So yeah, we spent two days
Speaker 5: in Arizona at the Callaway shoot and then we just
Speaker 5: spoke a couple times during the year on some Zoom
Speaker 5: calls and just kind of caught up. And then I
Speaker 5: planned the trip out to Palo Alto and traveled out
Speaker 5: there this spring and and that was.
Speaker 2: It well done. Thanks obviously, it came together, came together well,
Speaker 2: the long play worked out. So and I'm glad that
Speaker 2: this kind of journalism also is happening. I'm just happy
Speaker 2: that that people are still traveling to do articles and
Speaker 2: and things like that. So all credit to the Athletic
Speaker 2: for for creating a space for this kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it not only takes an out, but it
Speaker 5: takes an editor, you know, like pitching this to Hugh Kellenberger,
Speaker 5: my editor, and he had to be like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: you're not going to write anything live off of being
Speaker 5: at this event, and I'm like, no, it's all for
Speaker 5: down the line. It's like all right, Like he knows
Speaker 5: who she is, so yeah, give it a shot. Let's
Speaker 5: see what happens with it. And yeah, you're you're right,
Speaker 5: though it does take It's a major financial commitment to
Speaker 5: do these things. So I'm happy to work where I work.
Speaker 2: Needless to say, where did the decision not to speak
Speaker 2: with Rosa's parents on the record come from?
Speaker 5: So obviously I asked, and in the fall at the
Speaker 5: Scottsdale visit, it was not a hard no. At that
Speaker 5: point it was like, well, maybe you know, that's that's
Speaker 5: something we could do and because I wasn't sure what
Speaker 5: the story was going to be then. I wasn't sure
Speaker 5: if it was going to be the story of her
Speaker 5: family's journey from China to the United States and getting
Speaker 5: established in California. She wasn't born yet. Her brother was
Speaker 5: born in China, she was not. I didn't know. Maybe
Speaker 5: that's the story, or maybe it's the story of her
Speaker 5: parent you know, I just didn't know. So at that
Speaker 5: point it was still relatively open. And then over the
Speaker 5: course of the year, you know, a couple of conversations
Speaker 5: and it that kind of just got phased out of
Speaker 5: the conversation of of that, and it it ended up
Speaker 5: being the conversation with Bill, her older brother, who she
Speaker 5: kind of says is a spoken as the generational gap, Like,
Speaker 5: you know, he kind of understands parents, understands the culture,
Speaker 5: and also understands her and you know, how she sees
Speaker 5: herself and things like that.
Speaker 2: So he is significant shoulder, right, He's he's thirty to
Speaker 2: her twenty, right, and was born in China and has
Speaker 2: memories from.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was eight when when the family moved over.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean he was a crucial voice, and
Speaker 5: I mean he wasn't quoted very much, but we talked
Speaker 5: for you know, an hour and a half or so.
Speaker 5: And yeah, once I went out there for the visit,
Speaker 5: it was you know, I think I think the reaction
Speaker 5: to what happened at Augusta and a lot of people
Speaker 5: trying to just make interpretations of things and draw their
Speaker 5: own conclusions. I really think it was a kind of
Speaker 5: moment of realizing like what it is when things are
Speaker 5: out of one's control, you know, and and how these
Speaker 5: things can take on a life of their own. So
Speaker 5: I think I really think it wasn't a issue of like, oh, no,
Speaker 5: what will Dad set if he talks to this writer.
Speaker 5: It's more how will people interpret what he says and
Speaker 5: will they take it out of context and things like that.
Speaker 5: There's a little bit of a language barrier too, so
Speaker 5: you know, do things get you know, I guess lost
Speaker 5: in translation for lack of a better term, who knows,
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think it was it was really just
Speaker 5: more protective of of mom and Dad than anything else.
Speaker 5: And the other thing was like, when we were going
Speaker 5: through you know, what do you want people to know
Speaker 5: about you? You know, I had very kind of just
Speaker 5: open conversation about that and not not like what do
Speaker 5: you want me to write? But like what do you
Speaker 5: want to say about yourself? You know what, Like what
Speaker 5: do you want your story to be? And I think
Speaker 5: the big thing was like she she she wanted to
Speaker 5: talk about her her life and things like that and
Speaker 5: not have it be she's her parents child, you know,
Speaker 5: she's her own individual. So like that was you know,
Speaker 5: through the writing process, like trying to keep that as
Speaker 5: like a focus of mine ended up kind of being
Speaker 5: a byproduct of some of those conversations. Was like if
Speaker 5: the story's about Rose, right, and it's not going to
Speaker 5: be about me, a guy who's you know, hung out
Speaker 5: with her a few times trying to interpret what her
Speaker 5: her upbringing and her parents mean or you know, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like it's just going to be
Speaker 5: what she says and I don't need to put my
Speaker 5: own spin on things. So I think it would have
Speaker 5: At the same time, I think it would have been
Speaker 5: a very different story if I spoke to her parents,
Speaker 5: you know, for you know, and I probably added a
Speaker 5: lot of context. I wish, I do wish it had
Speaker 5: happened well.
Speaker 2: Part of what happened at Augusta National what you referred
Speaker 2: to earlier is that her father became part of the story.
Speaker 2: Her father was caddying for her, and people on site
Speaker 2: as well as at home watching on television had some
Speaker 2: commentary on how he caddied, and as somebody who watched
Speaker 2: her a great deal, he was an unusual caddie in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways. And there was a signature moment
Speaker 2: sort of on the fifteenth hole where he persuaded her
Speaker 2: to go for the green and she did not want to.
Speaker 2: She knew it wasn't a good decision and she wasn't
Speaker 2: committed to the shot and she came up well short
Speaker 2: in the water. And after the tournament there was a
Speaker 2: little bit of obfuscation, I would say, not intentional, I
Speaker 2: don't think on her part, but she said different things
Speaker 2: about that decision. She did say in the press conference
Speaker 2: in the Augusta National Press Center that her father had
Speaker 2: made that decision and that she was against it. But
Speaker 2: there were different versions of it that came out. But
Speaker 2: in any case, suffice it to say that her father
Speaker 2: was a figure during that week, and so it's understandable
Speaker 2: there would be some sensitivity around that. Would you say,
Speaker 2: I mean, from her own account of her childhood, would
Speaker 2: you say that she had a kind of one track
Speaker 2: upbringing that she was unusually focused on golf to the
Speaker 2: exclusion of other factors in her childhood. And if that's
Speaker 2: not your interpretation, then what were some of the insights
Speaker 2: about her upbringing that you got.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know, she played many other sports before
Speaker 5: golf and was pretty damn good, like was naturally really good.
Speaker 5: I remember once through I think Bill told me about
Speaker 5: one of her friends when she was like eight or
Speaker 5: something like that was already a very good junior swimmer,
Speaker 5: you know, and had parents that were like, our it's
Speaker 5: going to be a swimmer. And so this kid was
Speaker 5: in the pool for years and you know, training to
Speaker 5: be this swimmer or whatever an eight year old or
Speaker 5: nine year old or something like that. And like Rose,
Speaker 5: I think like got in the pool with her one
Speaker 5: day just like beat her, like just she was just
Speaker 5: a if she's just an athlete, you know, like this
Speaker 5: is not the the the golfer who asked to like
Speaker 5: ask him or her to throw a ball and it
Speaker 5: just looks totally awkward, and you're like, it's amazing that
Speaker 5: you can tie your shoes, let alone play golf the
Speaker 5: way you do. Like I think she's a real athlete,
Speaker 5: and her, from my understanding, her relationship with golf was
Speaker 5: not like a three year old, here's the club, here's
Speaker 5: the swing, like you know, the the very stereotypical golf
Speaker 5: dad version that you would think of, you know, hitting
Speaker 5: balls into a net as a four year old, and
Speaker 5: the big plastic clubs and like golf, golf, golf, it
Speaker 5: I don't know, by vast and it didn't seem like
Speaker 5: it was that. It was more so she picked up
Speaker 5: one of her father's clubs and started swinging, and it
Speaker 5: was kind of like, huh, look at that. And she
Speaker 5: was left handed, or she is left handed and dad's
Speaker 5: right handed, and she picked up the right handed club
Speaker 5: and started swinging right handed. And then they went to
Speaker 5: that look, you know, a clear dirt field next to
Speaker 5: the house and started hitting balls and here's this natural
Speaker 5: golf swing. And you know, there's that portion in the
Speaker 5: story of Ann Walker, the coach from Stanford, when we
Speaker 5: were talking to her office, and she just said, you know,
Speaker 5: I just wonder about that moment all the time of
Speaker 5: when she first picked up a golf club, and was
Speaker 5: it the same thing as young Mote starts sitting at
Speaker 5: a piano and hearing a piece of music and then
Speaker 5: playing the piece of music when there's just no explanation
Speaker 5: for why he's able to do that or why her
Speaker 5: body and her mind were so in tuned to make
Speaker 5: the golf swing that she made as a child. So
Speaker 5: now once she was often running, which was really quickly,
Speaker 5: she won a tournament like three months after she started
Speaker 5: swinging the club. Yes, it was pretty one track that
Speaker 5: that at that point. But she's high academic achiever. It
Speaker 5: was loads of school. And the funny thing is from
Speaker 5: her own account, like her parents did not drive academics.
Speaker 5: It was not you know, a report card, report card,
Speaker 5: blah blah blah. Like she was her own Like she's
Speaker 5: a perfectionist to the highest degree and shows I think
Speaker 5: in everything that you see her do and say, there's
Speaker 5: a reason to why everything's so polished. I think that's
Speaker 5: her natural makeup. So yeah, I mean, once she was
Speaker 5: just an obviously elite player. It was golf, and she
Speaker 5: was pretty siloed, and she went hard, really hard, played
Speaker 5: hur overpracticed all of these things that she had to
Speaker 5: learn about, you know what's too much, And she learned
Speaker 5: the hard way A few.
Speaker 2: Times left handed playing right handed. I have a thing
Speaker 2: about this. You know who else is naturally left handed
Speaker 2: and plays right handed? Jordan Spieth, Curtis Strange, Ben Hogan,
Speaker 2: Johnny Miller, Nick Price, Greg Norman, Henrik Stenson. Phil Nicholson
Speaker 2: is a natural right hander who plays left handed. So parents,
Speaker 2: if your child is showing a predilection for one hand
Speaker 2: over the other, make them swing the golf club from
Speaker 2: the opposite side of the ball.
Speaker 5: Is now here's something weird about Rose. Not only weird
Speaker 5: weirdness of a bad word, but here's something odd. I
Speaker 5: would say so when we were I sat at a
Speaker 5: range session at Stanford and like, you want to talk
Speaker 5: about the best of life. Sitting in an adder on
Speaker 5: deck chair for a Rose Jang range session at Stanford
Speaker 5: with the Stanford Mountains behind as the backdrop, and just
Speaker 5: in the adiron deck chair, It's like ninety am, it
Speaker 5: is terfect. I'm like, what a job, what a scam?
Speaker 5: This is unbelievable. Oh fantastic. But like like the perfect
Speaker 5: white noise. I told her she should have a side
Speaker 5: business where she just records herself hitting irons, like yea, yeah,
Speaker 5: turn it into like I use white noise when I sleep,
Speaker 5: right I guess it's like like a waterfall and just
Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, people all over the country will
Speaker 5: get that just to sleep too and whatever. But anyway,
Speaker 5: so she turns around the club and starts swinging left handed.
Speaker 5: Now she's stretching, you know, she uses it as a
Speaker 5: as a stretch to hit muscles that you don't hit
Speaker 5: when you're swinging right handed. So she starts swinging left handed.
Speaker 5: I'm like, holy shit, that swings even better than than
Speaker 5: your normal swing. And she's like, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 5: got wondered, you know what, like what would have happened
Speaker 5: if I played the other way? And I was like, well, what,
Speaker 5: you know what, what's your best score? When you I'm
Speaker 5: surely it would have occurred to you to go see
Speaker 5: what you should what you could shoot left handed? She's like,
Speaker 5: you know, I've never even thought of trying.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what.
Speaker 5: Isn't that strange? I feel like anyone else who could.
Speaker 1: Do that.
Speaker 5: Would go see what they could shoot left handed. I
Speaker 5: don't know, I was I'm still really hung up on that,
Speaker 5: but I think it says something about her brain that
Speaker 5: like it just didn't seem like something she should do.
Speaker 5: I don't know, yeah, fascinating.
Speaker 2: That is kind of how she works. Megan and I
Speaker 2: talked about this earlier, that she has a sort of
Speaker 2: useful naivete where she's like, oh, yeah, I didn't even
Speaker 2: think about it that way. I've just been here focusing
Speaker 2: on this thing that I do. And that's maybe part
Speaker 2: of her secret sauce.
Speaker 4: I suppose, yeah, it's It's It's interesting though, because there
Speaker 4: is the toughness there. There is the you know, hitting
Speaker 4: a million balls, the the gym sessions, the hard work
Speaker 4: and everything that's gone into it, and that rarely comes out.
Speaker 4: Because I said earlier, like it's always this kind of
Speaker 4: like aw shucks, you know, feeling when she's talking about,
Speaker 4: you know, just winning her first professional debut. And I wonder,
Speaker 4: like I wonder if we'll start seeing more of that
Speaker 4: as she grows and as she becomes you know, you
Speaker 4: know professional grinding out there week in week out. You know,
Speaker 4: I wonder if that toughness that she doesn't really let
Speaker 4: out very often will start to come through a little
Speaker 4: bit more as she's grinding out there. But it's there,
Speaker 4: like like you said, Brendan, like like she's pushed too hard,
Speaker 4: She's learned lessons about pushing too hard. There's there's something
Speaker 4: underneath there with the toughness because like obviously the killer
Speaker 4: instinct is there with how much she wins, but it
Speaker 4: seems like it's under this, you know, like way underneath
Speaker 4: the modesty and the humbleness that comes out.
Speaker 5: I one of the wins I think that she's most
Speaker 5: proud of, like because it's funny when you're talking to
Speaker 5: somebody who's won that much, like what do they actually
Speaker 5: bring up? Like what are the ones that stick out
Speaker 5: to them when you just have we're surrounded by trophies.
Speaker 5: And one that really one of the only torments that
Speaker 5: like she really dove into talking about, like free independent
Speaker 5: of me asking anything was the twenty twenty one US
Speaker 5: Girls Juniors. I think it was at Columbia Country Club
Speaker 5: and it was when Baillie Davis was like the underdog
Speaker 5: story and everyone you know, really jumped on the story
Speaker 5: and it was this awesome scene. Golf Channel was all
Speaker 5: about it, right it was, and the crowd there I
Speaker 5: think it was. I think she was basically like a
Speaker 5: hometown product if I'm remembering this correctly, And the crowd
Speaker 5: was for Bailey Davis, not for Rose and she thrived
Speaker 5: on it and she felt it and I think she
Speaker 5: liked it, and she went out and when they played
Speaker 5: the championship, I think she shot a sixty four in
Speaker 5: the morning. Now it's matchplake, but she shot a sixty
Speaker 5: four in the morning, took a lead into the afternoon,
Speaker 5: and then I think on the closing hole, with a
Speaker 5: chance to win, she hit the flagstick from like one
Speaker 5: forty out, you know, five foot birdie to win it
Speaker 5: won six'. Four and you, know it was very much
Speaker 5: the like there will be No cinderella story.
Speaker 3: Today bailey didn't stand a chance for a.
Speaker 2: Thing, yeah you, know so she she LIKED i sing
Speaker 2: the crowd in other, Words, YEAH i think she.
Speaker 5: Was. YEAH i remember her talking about it and kind
Speaker 5: of like you could see the competitor there that like
Speaker 5: enjoyed the chance to play when people weren't just, like,
Speaker 5: oh you, know Go rose win again and blah blah.
Speaker 2: Blah you, know does she have a narrative for herself
Speaker 2: about why she's a great. Player is there a story
Speaker 2: that she tells herself about what makes her special or
Speaker 2: or kind of you, know. Transcendent that's a great.
Speaker 5: Question, YEAH i think it's what she tells herself is
Speaker 5: that she's not, special and that all of the other
Speaker 5: people out there are just as good or, better and
Speaker 5: that the only thing that she has on them is
Speaker 5: the willingness to prepare harder and not make. Mistakes that's.
Speaker 5: IT i really just think that she's and it makes
Speaker 5: sense when you see her in, person because she is
Speaker 5: not especially tall or big or strong or, anything you.
Speaker 5: KNOW i, mean if, anything she might be a little
Speaker 5: undersized for you, know the highest. Level but it's there's
Speaker 5: that that great scene that of her sitting and talking
Speaker 5: to a bunch of junior girls when she told them all,
Speaker 5: that you, know all the the OTHER, ncaa the best
Speaker 5: players in THE ncaa are just as good or, better
Speaker 5: and the best players in THE a j G a
Speaker 5: were just as, good if not better than. Her and
Speaker 5: then one of the you, know one of the young, ladies,
Speaker 5: asked you, know why do you? Win and her response
Speaker 5: was BECAUSE i make fewer. Mistakes and that's, like that's.
Speaker 5: It and that was really at the root of her
Speaker 5: reaction At augusta and her hitting herself in the thigh
Speaker 5: and being visibly pissed off in the. FAIR i don't
Speaker 5: think it was she was pissed at her. DAD i
Speaker 5: think she was pissed at herself for, listening you, know
Speaker 5: like and she said that to me when we talked about.
Speaker 5: It SO i really think, that you, know of why
Speaker 5: trying to crawl into her head and how she views
Speaker 5: herself and how she views her you, know kind of
Speaker 5: prodigious abilities or whatever you want to call. Them it's
Speaker 5: she's not a. Prodigt, YEAH i think that's. It and
Speaker 5: could that also just be the public version could BE
Speaker 5: i never, know you know WHAT i, Mean there's there's
Speaker 5: always going to be those those things where you, know
Speaker 5: DO i believe what you? Say or DO i believe
Speaker 5: that you believe what you? Say or those these are
Speaker 5: the things that kind of get into profile writing when
Speaker 5: you're when you're dealing with. People but hearing her talk
Speaker 5: about her own golf swing is is amazing because she
Speaker 5: just she just says she gets over the ball and
Speaker 5: she just has this quick scan and it's the shoulder
Speaker 5: weight feet boom, go and she self corrects her. Swing
Speaker 5: it seems like at a higher level than anybody else
Speaker 5: that can do so in real, time you, Know Like
Speaker 5: Anne walker's like she could write a book about THE
Speaker 5: gop swing right. Now that would be pretty much better
Speaker 5: than anything you'll.
Speaker 2: Read she's got a little bit Of Bobby clampet in.
Speaker 2: Her bobby Clamp at once told me a story about
Speaker 2: when he was at his best in. College he was
Speaker 2: able to sort of fix little things in his swing
Speaker 2: because all the components were so well, aligned and you
Speaker 2: knew if if one was, off then it would he fixed.
Speaker 2: It then it would all come together just. Fine one
Speaker 2: last thing, HERE a major revelation in your article for
Speaker 2: me is that she plans to stay in college while
Speaker 2: playing on THE lpga. Tour does that not seem utterly? Delusional?
Speaker 5: Yeah it. DOES i, mean like, you because you have
Speaker 5: to think if it's it's easy to say, now it's
Speaker 5: something that's easy to say, now and it's something that
Speaker 5: a nineteen year old would say with full conviction and then,
Speaker 5: realize you, know a year, out like this is. MADNESS
Speaker 5: i just can't do. This it's too. Hard BUT i
Speaker 5: mean she's really she met it when she said. IT
Speaker 5: i don't think this is just like a in her
Speaker 5: mind right. NOW i don't think it's. DELUSION i think
Speaker 5: it is, conviction if anything, else and it's really WHAT
Speaker 5: i think is at the root of. It is the
Speaker 5: best thing that happened To rose is going to, college
Speaker 5: and it's because she picked up and she lived on her,
Speaker 5: own six hours from. Home you, know if she had
Speaker 5: just gone right from high school life to professional life
Speaker 5: and just go right on the grind of traveling with
Speaker 5: her father or an agent and just the traveling kind of,
Speaker 5: grind you, know who knows what would have, Happened and
Speaker 5: but what would have definitely happened is she would not
Speaker 5: have been in control at. All AND i think by
Speaker 5: going to college she learned a lot about herself and
Speaker 5: about when to say yes to things and when to
Speaker 5: say no to, things and how to be in control
Speaker 5: of her own schedule and when to how to be
Speaker 5: in control of. Everything and then that's why the reason
Speaker 5: she went for a second year, too like she note
Speaker 5: need to go to a second year At. Stanford that was,
Speaker 5: crazy AND i just think she wanted it. More and
Speaker 5: the big thing that school and staying in school to
Speaker 5: me is her, Saying i'm keeping this for. Me everyone
Speaker 5: else can get whatever they want out of all, this
Speaker 5: but that's for, me and that's Where i'm most comfortable
Speaker 5: And i'm still going to be with my. Friends does
Speaker 5: it last for two or three? YEARS i don't. Know
Speaker 5: but she's planning on having an apartment In Palo alto
Speaker 5: and training At stanford and going to class At. Stanford
Speaker 5: AND i mean physically going to class At, stanford not,
Speaker 5: right not online learning.
Speaker 6: Is not a.
Speaker 2: Thing, yeah that's the part that's kind of. CRAZY i, mean,
Speaker 2: YEAH i, mean and when you're going To, stanford you
Speaker 2: can't necessarily half asset like it's got the reputation of
Speaker 2: being a fairly challenging, school and students who are, THERE
Speaker 2: i would imagine find it pretty overwhelming just to be a.
Speaker 2: Student but, that in any, case is her. Plan but
Speaker 2: it's very insightful what you just. Said college is the
Speaker 2: best thing that happened to, her because the thing that's
Speaker 2: really unusual about The rosang story right, now the most unusual,
Speaker 2: thing arguably is that she went to. College because a
Speaker 2: lot of players in her position in women's golf would
Speaker 2: turn pro at sixteen seventeen years.
Speaker 6: Old she did.
Speaker 2: Not she decided to go to college for two years
Speaker 2: and become one of the great college players of all.
Speaker 2: Time and so we'll see how that works. OUT i
Speaker 2: think it will do her a lot of. GOOD i
Speaker 2: am convinced that that, choice as opposed to turning pro
Speaker 2: when she was really, young has done her an enormous
Speaker 2: amount of good.
Speaker 7: TOTALLY i, mean were you gonna say something like, SORRY
Speaker 7: i just, said and perhaps that will lengthen her career
Speaker 7: compared to some of the fade outs that we've seen
Speaker 7: when you do start so young and you jump in
Speaker 7: with both feet into the professional game as a.
Speaker 5: Teenager so there's This stanford's a very unique. Place there's
Speaker 5: just an air there of just there's just geniuses all
Speaker 5: over the, place and you're just like even, athletes you,
Speaker 5: know you're just one girls campus and you're, like, oh,
Speaker 5: there's you, know An olympic. Swimmer there's An olympic. FENCER
Speaker 5: i don't know are they called. Fencers probably there's An olympic.
Speaker 5: Fencer you, know like it's it's one of those, places you,
Speaker 5: know there's certain empisa as you walk across when you're
Speaker 5: just kind of in awe of what's around. You and
Speaker 5: so part Of ROSE i think, her as much as
Speaker 5: she is driven to be competitively superior in terms of
Speaker 5: like preparation and work and work and, work she's also
Speaker 5: like really driven to be, normal AND i think she
Speaker 5: wants to be, normal and At stanford she gets to be,
Speaker 5: normal you, Know like it's just not a big deal
Speaker 5: that she was the number one amateur golfer in the
Speaker 5: world while she was. There it just wasn't a big
Speaker 5: deal there to the point where like during her freshman,
Speaker 5: year she was like hung out and was hanging out
Speaker 5: in her like freshman dorm and got to know all
Speaker 5: these people and they're trading stories and she was like.
Speaker 5: Delightful she's like it was one of the great moments
Speaker 5: of like just hanging out with other. Kids and then
Speaker 5: like a week, later they were hanging out and they
Speaker 5: decided to like pull up each other's social media or
Speaker 5: like google each other's, names and one kid was Like,
Speaker 5: Rose like why do you have A wikipedia? Page what is?
Speaker 5: This and another kid was, Like, rose this is your
Speaker 5: number one in the. World like they didn't even. Know
Speaker 5: they just thought she was Like rose From irvine on
Speaker 5: The stanford golf. Team they just thought that that was
Speaker 5: the extent of. It so that was that was pretty.
Speaker 6: Cool thank, You.
Speaker 2: Brendan we'll let you go Here and after this music fades,
Speaker 2: Out meg AND i will be back with a couple of.
Speaker 2: Recommendations all, Right, meg we are back for some. Recommendations
Speaker 2: what would you recommend this?
Speaker 6: Week all?
Speaker 4: Right so THE i know the major calendar has been
Speaker 4: jam packed, already but we are about to starting with next,
Speaker 4: week have three majors in the court in four. Weeks
Speaker 4: so we have three majors over the next, month Essentially,
Speaker 4: Pebble WOMEN'S pga And WOMEN'S Us OPEN i mean sorry
Speaker 4: REPEAT Us, OPEN LACC, Pga WOMEN'S pga At Baltisral Women's
Speaker 4: open At pebble obviously two of THOSE usga. EVENTS i
Speaker 4: was looking around THE usga YouTube channel a while, back
Speaker 4: actually wrote about SOMETHING i found on there On CLUB
Speaker 4: tfe the two thousand and Eight Women's open At Interlock
Speaker 4: in which was WHERE Nb park one is a teenager
Speaker 4: And i've dabbled in there, before BUT i forgot just
Speaker 4: how much they have in there and in the various you,
Speaker 4: know cutouts and series that they have in the YouTube.
Speaker 4: Channel so if you're looking to kind of get a
Speaker 4: little context before you know the USGA's biggest events of
Speaker 4: the year coming up here in just a few, weeks
Speaker 4: uh their YouTube, channel you can plan for an hour
Speaker 4: or two because you can get you'll get sucked in real.
Speaker 4: Quick props to them for for compiling all of that
Speaker 4: and having it readily. Available it comes in really handy
Speaker 4: for us here on the on the content, side to
Speaker 4: to be able to find that stuff so. Quickly but,
Speaker 4: YEAH usga YouTube channel is my recommendation as we gear
Speaker 4: up for some which should be pretty fantastic majors here.
Speaker 2: Soon there is a really good archive. THERE i think
Speaker 2: it's exactly what THE usga YouTube channel should. Be is
Speaker 2: just kind of this compendium of great. Stuff SO i
Speaker 2: certainly second that. Recommendation all. Right so my recommendation has
Speaker 2: to do with men's, golf which we have not talked
Speaker 2: about in this. Episode Victor hobland specifically is the memorial.
Speaker 2: Champion this is the biggest win Of Victor hovelin's, Career
Speaker 2: i'm fairly. Certain and WHAT i want to recommend is
Speaker 2: His spotify. Playlists.
Speaker 3: March turn your volume down a little lower than you normally.
Speaker 4: Would before you click play on that. Playlist, Look i'm
Speaker 4: saving people's ears, Here.
Speaker 2: Garrett if you search For Victor hoveland On, spotify you
Speaker 2: will find a variety Of nordic metal centric, playlists and
Speaker 2: he's still keeping these. Up there's a playlist Called metal
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Three so this isn't just something that he
Speaker 2: did while he was At Oklahoma. State he still Curates
Speaker 2: spotify playlists as multi millionaire Golfer Victor Hovlin Memorial, champion
Speaker 2: and he actually has interesting tastes as you were alluding.
Speaker 2: To he's not like listening To Morgan wallen And Luke
Speaker 2: holmes or some shit like. That he's listening to some
Speaker 2: pretty serious. Metal he really likes a band Called, catatonia
Speaker 2: pretty into another one Called August Burns. Red so that's
Speaker 2: the kind of. Stuff. Now it's not like there's some
Speaker 2: there's some songs on there that are kind of where
Speaker 2: the singer's doing that kind of throat, thing like you,
Speaker 2: know the demon, voice but not all of. THEM a
Speaker 2: lot of them are kind, OF i, think on sort
Speaker 2: of the softer side of, metal the more ethereal side of.
Speaker 2: It and it's just. Interesting it's like not stuff That
Speaker 2: i've heard of, before And i'm not used TO pga
Speaker 2: to our golfers like really being into metal to the
Speaker 2: point where they're doing these Public spotify. Playlists SO i
Speaker 2: really enjoy. That that's my. Recommendation Victor Hovlin's spotify. Playlists
Speaker 2: look them up all, Right, meg thanks for joining me
Speaker 2: on this. Podcast this has been.
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