WEBVTT - The Rose Zhang Hypecast 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.800 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:05.880 And when I find my. 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:08.719 Ball in a brid egg Friday egg, the dreaded Frida 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.720 egg Frida egg Frida egg Bride. 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:41.360 Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off the. 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:38.120 Meg. How many majors is Rose a gonna win? 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:41.159 Right in there? Huh? 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:42.640 I need a number, I need a number. 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:51.479 Yeah, it's the predictions and prognostications are out there. Huh. 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:51.840 Listen. 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:54.880 I think so a lot of talk was about Beverly 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:58.120 Hansen and Rose, you know, joining her in that elite 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.800 company of winning their first professional little debut. Beverly Hanson 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.120 won three majors and I think one a total of 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:08.360 like seventeen times. I'll just put let's put Rose up 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:09.160 there with Beverly. 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:10.959 That's the over under three. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:12.479 Yeah, I think I'll do. I think. 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.680 I think that's on the lower end of the predictions 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:16.360 that might be coming out earlier this week. 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:17.360 It's definitely lower. 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:22.280 But yeah, I think the combination of the depth of 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.560 the LPGA tour right now, as well as shorter careers 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:29.720 for the women, there are more majors to win majors 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:30.759 in quotes there. 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:35.000 But yeah, I think, listen, that's that's a. 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.319 Hell of a career if that's if that's what she 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.120 goes out and does, so I'll keep I'll try and 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:46.560 keep keep the expectations somewhat mild. It feels weird to 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.080 say three majors is mild, but yeah, yeah, there's a 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:50.720 lot out there. 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.320 I kind of had the over under in my mind 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.880 at four. I'm with you because if you think about 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:00.680 the best players in the women's game right now, does 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:03.160 anyone have more than two majors at this point? 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:04.280 No? 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.880 I mean NB Park obviously is the most recent example 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.560 of a dominant major championship player. 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:11.280 Yep. 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.519 But she and I'm not saying that she's done, but 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.359 she's out for the time being. I believe she's having 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.959 a baby, yes, and she's in her mid mid getting 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:22.760 into her late thirties, so yeah, she had. 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:24.200 A baby just not too long ago. 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:28.239 And you know she her first one was eight and 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:33.200 that was the end of Monica's career. Yes, Loreno Choa, 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.720 you know was wrapping it up as well, I do. 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.960 I mean, yes, there was plenty of talent. You know, 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.920 what was that you know, that's fifteen years ago or 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:48.120 so now, but the talent has just increased substantially with 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.520 with how good the college game has gotten, which with 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:54.160 how much more global the game has gotten. So yeah, 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.440 I don't I don't know. I mean, she could absolutely 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.400 prove us wrong, go out there and get you know, 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:03.880 nb ankolevel of majors. But I think when it comes 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.760 to the predicting majors, I'm always going to kind of 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.320 be on the under because time and time again we 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.079 see a breakout performance like this and it's like, well, 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.720 this sky's the limit, but it's like, well, let's, you know, 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:17.160 bring back down to earth a little bit. 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:21.280 The tendency is to go over, way over in these 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.959 kinds of predictions. But obviously we have a very exciting 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.959 story unfolding on the LPGA tour right now, and that's 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:31.760 what we're talking about today. So you're listening to the 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.520 frieda Egg Podcast. I'm Garrett Morrison, that's Meg Atkins, and 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:39.720 today we're focusing on Roseanng, who just won the Mizuho 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.640 America's Open in her first start as a professional. She 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.760 had a historic amateur career. We've talked about that on 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:51.520 this podcast. She showed signs of being a truly special talent. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.080 And now here she is on the LPGA Tour and 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:58.520 in her first week she completely justifies the hype, sends 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:02.480 it into overdrive. Absolutely incredible story, and we're gonna devote 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.760 this basically this entire episode to it. So after Meg 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:07.720 and I chat for a bit, we're going to bring 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.160 on Justin Ray to talk about a few of his 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:14.920 favorite Roseng stats, and then we'll speak with Brendan Quinn 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:20.320 about Roseng the person. So, Meg, we both watched Rose's 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.720 final round yesterday. It was a bit of a struggle. 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.880 The course was playing hard. She didn't make a single 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:30.520 birdie all day, yet she still managed to win in 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.039 a playoff over Jennifer a Cup Show. Was there a 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.200 moment or two from Roses round yesterday that stood out 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:37.400 for you? 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:41.760 Yeah, I think that putt on seventeen, you know she 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.920 was I think Karen Stupples was like, I'm so nervous 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.640 for this putt. It's so difficult, the lengthy, lengthy putt 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:50.920 that she ends up you know, two putting and gets 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.000 out of seventeen, goes to eighteen with the one shot lead. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.720 The recovery shot on twelve. I believe where she. 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.719 You know, just yanked one left and then went over 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.960 the trees, leans it on the green. She you know, 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:09.440 yes she didn't have any birdies, but she never let 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:15.039 that big number happen recovery wise, you know, leaning on 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.200 her short game when she needed to, so that that 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.000 big number was never never happened for her. And I 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.320 think you know that she kept it on the rails 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:27.280 on a difficult day. And I think another thing that 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.640 you know, kind of played into the final round was, yes, 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:32.200 she was in the final group, but she was with 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.880 Anna Davis, who she's very familiar with, and a Tia 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.240 Titikun who wasn't really a factor, you know, never really 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:43.680 pushed her. And you know, yes the ti Titikin is 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.400 a fantastic player, but very friendly. 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:47.680 I mean, you could. 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.039 This is not like this is not like an intimidating, 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:57.360 older experienced major winning golfer that she was paired with. 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:58.600 She was paired with a peer. 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.440 And she, you know, the many times that we were 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.000 waiting for them to play their shots and the cameras 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.240 were on their group, it was very friendly, chatting, smiling, 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:11.120 and so she's in this final group. You know, first 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:15.279 first tournament of her pro career and her final group's 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.479 rooting for her. You know, they showed Anna Davis walking 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.160 next to her. I think she kind of maybe put 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.200 her arm around her as they're walking down eighteen, and 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:27.160 I think that definitely played into you know, her her 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:31.160 bringing it home the playoff certainly, you know, playing with 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.880 Jennifer Cupschow major winner that you know she handled that 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.359 with with you know, getting herself in trouble in that sandtrap. 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:41.840 That was another shot, you know, looking back at the day, 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.600 that was incredible, you know, to get it over the lip. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:46.920 I think nobody expected her to get at that close, 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:53.160 missing the putt, missing the putt for par on eighteen, 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.800 and then having very similar up and down on the 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:57.880 first playoff hole. 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.040 And really put in it was a little longer. 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.240 Yeah, maybe so, but it was it was you know, 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:07.800 she rolled that in and then the the dagger, the finish, 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.560 the finish, her move on the second playoff hole with 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:15.160 that hybrid to six eight feet or so just so impressive. 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.560 But yeah, I think I think that round it was 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.600 it was tough conditions, but the friendly group, you know, 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.120 playing in the final group with two friendly competitors there 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.000 certainly certainly helped the case. And then yeah, she just 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.360 did what we've seen her do, shut the door on 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.520 Cup show on the second hole, and here we are. 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:37.360 She didn't put particularly well this week, and we may 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.840 end up talking about that with Justin Ray, but I 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:44.880 did notice that she made a couple of really big 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.720 puts at the right moments, a ten foot or so 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:53.440 on seventeen in regulation. And then that putt that you 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.600 mentioned on the first playoff hole, which she had just 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:00.520 missed a version of not ten or fifteen minutes before, 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:05.520 and so that was incredibly impressive, and that hybrid on 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:11.880 the second playoff hole was absolutely unbelievable. But signature Roseng stuff. 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.880 This is what she's really good at, that sort of 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:21.120 ball striking mode, hitting tough approaches really close. So you 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.840 watched her at the ann why as did I? What 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:27.000 do you think makes her a special player? Like, what's 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:31.720 the mixture here? If there's like a recipe for different 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:35.280 kinds of golfing greatness that we've seen over the years, 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.280 what is Roseng's recipe? 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:42.520 Her steadiness to me is up there. When she does 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.520 put herself in trouble like we saw on twelve with 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:49.439 the recovery shot there. She's has the ability obviously to 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.440 pull off those shots, but it's more just the consistency 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:57.200 and steadiness. It's kind of when you know, Jin Youngko 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.599 gets in that groove where it's like, you know, the 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:03.800 big mistake is not going to happen. Rose has a 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.920 similar a similar consistency with her ball striking and then 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.840 the short game, the chipping the around the greens is 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.880 so steady that if she is out of position, you know, 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.800 she gets herself, you know, a makeable putt for power 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.360 or whatever it may be, to kind of keep things, 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.720 like I said, on the rails and not give up 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:28.400 more than Bogie. I think like outside of the game, 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.200 like going back to Anoa after her second round at 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.360 Champions Retreat, she was kind of doing her little press 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:39.719 conference outside of the clubhouse and whatnot, and she was 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.360 up by five. Had I'd watched her whole back nine, 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.520 I believe, and saw her just do things on that 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.720 course that none of the other players were doing. And 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:54.600 the way that you know, she downplayed it so much 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.600 in that in that interview is like did you not 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.720 see what just what you just did? And so I 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.880 think that that and that's you know, we'll probably get 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:07.680 into it with Brendan downplaying her her model, Like, for 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.360 as good as she is at golf, she might be 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.560 better at downplaying what she does, Like her modesty might 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.800 be better than her golf game. And I think whether 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:23.520 that kind of just mentally keeps her in check and 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:28.880 helps her you know, not fight, but like not you know, 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:32.000 accept all the expectations and the crazy things that are 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:37.000 being said about her, because she has mentally downplayed a 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.800 lot of what she's done for so long. So I 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.040 think maybe when we when we talk about what she 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.079 going to do, you know, how's the rest of the 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:47.360 summer this year going to look like, Like, yes, the 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.400 hype is you know, an overdrive right now, but I 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.360 think another one of her her weapons outside of her 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:58.000 golf game is the mental you know, keeping things in 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.400 check with her how humble she is and how modest 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.120 she is to kind of yeah, everybody else may be 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.880 saying this, but I'm just going to keep on doing 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:10.080 what I'm doing and not buy into a lot of 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:10.679 that hype. 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:15.920 We'll see if that attitude remains sustainable as she accomplishes 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.520 more and more at the top level. Because I think 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:24.000 that you're right she genuinely sees herself as I don't 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:27.200 know if she sees herself as unexceptional. That's kind of 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.680 the way that she talks about herself, and I think 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:33.920 that that is not just false modesty. I think that's 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.280 part of who she is, that she doesn't think a 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:41.160 lot about how she compares to other people. I thought 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.960 one of the most insightful parts of Brendan's profile was 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:48.400 when he dug into how some great athletes in the past, 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.240 many great athletes in the past, like Kobe Bryant, for instance, 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:56.240 have had an idol that they both love and hate. 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.000 For Kobe, it was Michael Jordan. Everything that he did 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:04.400 from the time he was young was to compare himself 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:09.120 to Michael Jordan. Roseng doesn't do that with an Aka 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:16.240 Sornstam or Loreno o'choa or inb Park. She genuinely doesn't 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:21.400 seem to have that frame of reference. And so that's 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:25.160 useful because she's just focused on herself and getting better 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:29.240 and there's a very much a humility in that. But 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.479 I just wonder if that that sort of lack of comparison, 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:37.040 that you know, very individual approach to things, not thinking 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:41.480 of herself as being extraordinary just somebody who's working really hard, 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:45.000 is going to be sustainable if she like wins a 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.920 couple of majors for instance, Like what's that going to 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.200 do to her psyche. I don't know that it's going 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.080 to do anything bad, but it just seems like you 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.720 can't maintain that attitude forever. 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:02.280 I mean, there's zero swag in her game. And if 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:06.080 she keeps winning, like is it gonna like how do 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:10.240 you how do you have the accolades and the accomplishments 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:13.839 that she has if she keeps winning, if she if 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.280 this is the beginning of of the the Hall of 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:20.440 Fame career, Like it's it's so when you think of 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.439 the other you know, major star athletes and other sports 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:28.280 like roses, swagger is non existent. Like she she she 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:32.840 has the game to have plenty of it, and she 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:37.280 you know, like like for example, the hybrid, like you know, 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.880 that's so she does. But she's got a smile on 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.439 her face, gives a gives a nice hug when she's 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:43.880 finished wrapping. 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:48.920 Up shot because in the air she was kind of 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.840 like there's a little bit of doubt. She was sort 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:53.600 of like, is that is that all right? 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.400 It's like Yeah, it's good. It's good. 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.080 Yeah, like she yeah, she'll she has plenty of ways 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:02.520 to beat you, but she does them all with a 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.400 smile on her face and then an aw shuck's attitude 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:09.079 after the fact. So yeah, that does not match up 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.160 with with other superstars. 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.679 We'll see. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. The 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.280 two don't which. Like, let's get I want to be 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.640 you know straight about this. I love that. I like 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.760 that about her. It's it's very different. It's it's it's. 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.200 Once you hear her and listen to her talk, you 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.800 realize it's not it's not false. It is how she is. 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.800 And I think it's it's makes her more unique that 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.800 she is that way and doesn't have the swagger and 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:43.120 the the you know, bravado that many athletes do. But 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:47.560 it definitely doesn't match up with her skill level and 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:49.360 how good she is at golf. 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.200 A little bit of expectation management here. I have to 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.280 say this. I am very excited about what Rose is 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:57.680 going to do. I saw her play at the end 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:59.760 wise I've mentioned a couple of times, and when I 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:02.760 was I was blown away by her game, Like she 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:06.960 is just such a good ball striker, so consistent, makes 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.400 so few mistakes out there on the course, and that's 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:14.640 just a great formula for being great at any level 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:19.600 of golf. But a little bit of perspective here a 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:23.320 Taia Titikun, whom she played with on Sunday at the Mizuho, 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.480 is also twenty years old, is number six in the world, 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.400 has won twice on the LPGA Tour and four times 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:35.920 on the LT. Another great young player on the LPGA 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.640 Tour is Running Yin, also twenty years old, a little 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:44.000 bit older but still twenty. Won the LA Open in April, 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.760 number twenty three in the world. Yukisaso won the twenty 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.240 twenty one US Open at the age of eighteen inb 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:54.240 Park was nineteen. Sorry I said eighteen. Yukasasa was nineteen. 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:58.040 I believe NB was nineteen when she won her first major, 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:02.120 also a US Open, of course, won multiple majors in many, 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:08.280 many LPGA Tour events as a teenager. So women golfers 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:13.440 have traditionally come of age earlier than male golfers, and 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:19.080 so the tempting comparisons to PGA Tour accomplishments have to 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.520 be put in that context. And we have to remember 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.640 that Roseng has peers on the LPGA Tour who have 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:30.720 been professionals for a while and have won events and 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:35.840 are high in the Rolex rankings, and so yes, we 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.440 should be very excited about what Rose is accomplishing, but 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:44.360 we also can't be expecting her to win absolutely everything 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.080 for the rest of time. If she does, that would 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:50.120 be great. I'd be more thrilled than anybody, But we 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:54.400 have to keep in mind that this level of mastery 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.440 at her age is not unprecedented. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:03.440 Yeah, the most thing from from this from this weekend 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:07.840 was the the nineteen fifty one record. I mean, the 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.399 focus on the age and everything was one thing, but like, yes, 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:16.200 there are peers there. We've seen this, We've seen younger 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:21.680 we've seen quicker wins, We've seen you know, majors as teenagers. 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:26.399 So yeah, the the true outlier was just winning in 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.200 your professional debut that had it happened in seventy two years. 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:31.840 You know, we heard a lot about that. But yeah, 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.080 the peers are there. I think, you know, talk has 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.880 already started about Pebble. I'm interested to see how she 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:42.040 performs in that major when the stakes are that much 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.840 higher than they were at Liberty National. If she's plays 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:50.200 in the weekend with you know, a Nelly Kordajinjenco, Brooke Henderson, 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.320 you know, when they're not rooting for her to win 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:54.840 because they want that major. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.080 Yeah, we'll see, we'll see how that goes. Yeah, and 0:17:58.119 --> 0:17:58.480 if it's a. 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.440 Little windy and course, I mean, the course was tough 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.560 this weekend. There was some win this weekend, so let's 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.439 not downplay that. But I did see her struggle at 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.840 a very complicated course in tough conditions at the anwhile 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.879 on Saturday at Augusta National, And so yeah, I have 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:18.920 I still want to see her prove her abilities at 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.320 some more complex courses for sure. 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:22.679 Agreed, agreed. 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.760 All right, let's take a quick break and then Justin 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.520 Ray is going to join us to talk about some 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:41.840 fun Rose stats. This episode is brought to you by 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:46.440 Mizzen and Maine. I have a long and very fraught 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:50.680 relationship with dress shirts. I find them incredibly uncomfortable. 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So I asked 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.679 you to come on and share a few of your 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:40.080 favorite Roseang related stats just to kind of contextualize what 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.480 we're seeing here. So why don't we dig right in. 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:44.480 What's your first one that you got? 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:46.639 Yeah, so I'll start with the one that you probably 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.560 heard four hundred and seventy eight thousand times and that 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:53.639 she's the first player to win an LPGA event in 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:57.439 her pro debut since nineteen fifty one when Beverly Hansen 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.680 did it at the Old Eastern Open. That one we 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:04.000 started early in the week kind of trying to excavate 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:06.399 to try to find the answer to that question. Uh, 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:09.159 the tour itself did not know, so I had to 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.200 go through a bunch of different other resources and try 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:12.840 to find that out. But I was determined to. And 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.080 then when Rose lit it up on Saturday. It was 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:18.000 basically like, Okay, this might actually happen. So I was 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:20.040 glad to have done all the previous leg work. It 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.320 all kind of worked out really well, but it was cool. 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:24.240 It's always cool coming up with something and trying to 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:26.720 contextualize something and no one really had the answer beforehand. 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:29.719 So but Beverly Hanson did do it. She had won 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.440 as an amateur on the LPGA Tour and then the 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.160 following year turned professional and then her first start she won. 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:37.840 And Jennifer Kopcho, who finished runner up yesterday, actually had 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:41.240 some good company because Beverly Hanson beat Babees of Harrius 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.720 by three shots. So some some pretty decent names there 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:47.280 to finish runner up to to one legend or one 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.920 one player from the past, and then one you know potential, 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:51.720 you know, generational type talent. 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.720 I like that there's a link between Roseang and Babes 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:58.960 of harriis now already didn't take long, did it exactly? 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:04.560 When you talk justin about like having to dig and 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:08.359 go to multiple resources to find this stuff, I was curious, like, 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.640 you know, as Rose is now starting her LPGA career, 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:15.040 we know the stats aren't out there for the women's 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:17.560 game like they are for the men's game. Is it 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:20.480 How much harder is it for you to pull stuff 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:23.440 and put things into context when you know it's not 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:26.159 as easily as easily accessible as it is for the 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:26.600 men's game. 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:28.760 Yeah, it's tough. I mean, it's taken some time over 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:31.000 the last several years as I've kind of dug more 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:33.359 into the women's game. When the years I was at 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:35.480 ESPN and then Golf Channel, I didn't really have the 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.080 opportunity to cover the women a whole lot. But I've 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:40.239 gotten more of an opportunity to and I've I've kind 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.880 of found myself building the resources myself over time. There's 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:46.600 been a lot of digging through old newspaper articles online 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:49.399 and kind of establishing things. But I will give the 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:52.080