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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I never told your production by heart radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to what I'm thinking is going to be

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Speaker 2: a short happy hour, but maybe not. We are putting

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Speaker 2: a quick pause on the Sex and the City just

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Speaker 2: because chaos ensues during election times and holiday times and

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Speaker 2: all the times chaos. But I did want to kind

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Speaker 2: of talk about a personal experience.

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Speaker 3: I don't think No, I haven't talked.

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Speaker 2: About like my adoption stuff in a while or identity

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Speaker 2: stuff in a while, So I was gonna kind of

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Speaker 2: bring that up because I had an interesting weekend Annie.

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Speaker 2: So the election is upon us, and my family has

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Speaker 2: gone through some stuff physically with help wise, and.

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Speaker 3: Things have been kind of not in disarray.

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Speaker 2: I think we're coming off of that. We're coming into

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Speaker 2: like progress mode and all that. But all that to

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Speaker 2: say is I have spent a lot more time with

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Speaker 2: my family, specifically my parents and aunts who haven't seen

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Speaker 2: in years, which is my bad, Like I have to

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Speaker 2: process how I see family a lot of the times

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Speaker 2: because of my adoption stuff and especially during election times,

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Speaker 2: heated election times. As I've talked before, my family is

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Speaker 2: very conservative. Myself and my niece are the only ones

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Speaker 2: to come out leaning left. And my niece, her stuff

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Speaker 2: has been recent since her experience in college and being

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Speaker 2: in Atlanta and meeting the people she has, which I

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Speaker 2: love for her, and she's having to navigate her own

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Speaker 3: So a lot. It's a lot when it comes to

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Speaker 3: my family.

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Speaker 2: Being on a intersectional feminist podcast, leaning very far left

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Speaker 2: in my political views and all of that has kind

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Speaker 2: of put a wedge in my relationship with my family.

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Speaker 2: Y'all know that I went through a whole thing about

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Speaker 2: my book. My family still doesn't know that I've written

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Speaker 2: a book like the things that it would have been celebrated

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Speaker 2: in the other family most of the times, not so

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Speaker 2: much for my family. And it could be honestly my

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Speaker 2: cowardice in all of this aighty you and I've talked

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Speaker 2: about that a lot, like things that I don't want

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Speaker 2: kind of all agreed we would never bring this stuff up.

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Speaker 2: My dad will bring it up every now and again,

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Speaker 2: just asking how my job went, was going and all

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Speaker 3: But so there's a lot to be left.

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Speaker 2: I guess and said all of that to say, the

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Speaker 2: elections are upon us. I had hope for a second

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Speaker 2: that my parents, especially my family in general, weren't die

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Speaker 2: hard supporters of uh Trump. And I still don't know

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Speaker 2: for sure because we haven't brought it up. We haven't

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Speaker 2: had that conversation. There are things that I found on

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Speaker 2: now has Facebook, and I was like why. I actually

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Speaker 2: why would y'all let her do this? Because she has

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Speaker 2: admitted to me previously when we went through some really

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Speaker 3: Things, including name calling me.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of those things have happened, and so

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Speaker 2: how this is going to affect our relationship because again,

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Speaker 3: My family, y'all.

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Speaker 2: I ride hard for my family and that I will

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Speaker 2: protect them. I will make sure that no one you

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Speaker 2: can't kill my family. I can show my family you can't,

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Speaker 2: My god, are you idealizing this man because he got

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Speaker 2: not want to deal with with so close to election,

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Speaker 2: And I can't like when I say that it the

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Speaker 2: anxiety was so high and seeing my family because of this.

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Speaker 2: Anxiety is already high in general, because we're waiting with

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Speaker 2: baited breath about what's going to happen with our future, right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I do not think you're alone, and I think

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Speaker 1: that some of us have learned the hard way. There's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that that's that thing is like

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Speaker 3: My dad has asked me how I is going.

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Speaker 2: Not a word, how we don't how we keep from

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Speaker 2: orphanage to be adopted out and relinquished custody. She technically

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this does affect our relationships.

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Speaker 1: It does infect. In fact, it does infect and impact

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