1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to Creature feature, the show where we 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: examine the weirdest creatures and humans on the planet. I'm 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: your host, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: and I'm certainly not a hive mind intelligence of every 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: bird on the planet who are waiting to make their 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: move for the Grand Avian Revolution. Today we're talking about cryptids. 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: What are they? Are they real? Are they right behind you? 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: The truth behind Mothman, the Chepicabra and Bigfoot? And what 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know? Who's they I don't 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: actually know? Discover this and more as we answer the 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: agel question, what slimy, terrible creature maybe lurking right under 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: your feet? So why do we love cryptids? Cryptids are 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: animals that people believe exists based on anecdotal evidence, rumors, myths, 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: folk tales, and conspiracy theories. There are cryptid sidings all 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: over the world, in almost every culture. Why are they 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: so compelling? I think the idea of secretive animals who 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: elude our attend to document them is a massively appealing one. 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: It's the ultimate freedom to live in isolation, nimbly evading 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: the watchful eyes of human society only being caught in 20 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: the blurry photos of conveniently terrible photographers. Maybe it's wish 21 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: fulfillment fantasy. We live in a hyper surveilled world, either 22 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: in tight knit communities who know everything about you, or 23 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: vast metropolis is with the details of your existence on file. 24 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: Cryptids are an escape from society monsters who are more 25 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: revealing of our own psychological quirks. Well, at least that's 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: the story the man would have you believe. What if 27 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 1: I told you there are some real life cryptids. Today 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: we'll be looking at the facts behind the cryptids, what 29 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: it would mean if they actually existed, and the real 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: animals that are just as crazy as the cryptids themselves. 31 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: Joining me today to discuss this is Tess Lynch from 32 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: Night Call podcast. Katie, How are you great? I'm so 33 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: excited to have you because I know you guys love 34 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: to talk about conspiracy theories, and it's just it's like 35 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: all those late night conversations that you have with your 36 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: friends when you know you're you're winding down from the 37 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: day and then you're just your mind goes to incredibly 38 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: creative places. It's really fun and I actually I was 39 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: so excited that we're going to talk about cryptids because 40 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: we've talked about cryptids on the podcast before. But also 41 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: we're all Steely Dan fans, and of course the squawk 42 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: is memorialized by Steely Dan. Uh the squawk, that cryptid, 43 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: the squawk that cries oh my God. So my my 44 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: dad's a big Steely Dan fans. Dan fans, Dan fan, 45 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: Dad Dad Dan fan. But I actually am not familiar 46 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: with this the squawk, the Squawk. There is a book, 47 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: UM that I feel like I talked about a lot 48 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: and everyone's always like, okay, test, But it's called um 49 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: Fearsome Creatures of the North lumber Woods. I think it 50 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 1: has like a kind of clunky title, pretty specific it is. Yeah, 51 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: it's been out of print for a while, but UM, 52 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: they have these like kind of crude doodles. It's very 53 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: old book of UM all of these like different regional cryptids, 54 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: and the Wendigo is probably like the most well known 55 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: UM but than the squawk is it's like it's it's 56 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: just a creature that's like a depressed cryptid and it 57 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: wanders around weeping. Yeah, and so there's a stee leading 58 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: song called any Major Dude, We'll tell you, and it's 59 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: like have you seen a squawks? Tears? That makes me sad? Um. So, 60 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: first we're going to talk about another cryptod that I 61 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: think is kind of sympathetic, you know, like there's I 62 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: think that's what's so cool about a lot of these cryptids. 63 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: I mean, some of them are supposedly evil, but a 64 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,279 Speaker 1: lot of them are just like they're kind of sympathetic 65 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: in a way, like you kind of want to get 66 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: to know them, you know, like big Foot. Um. But 67 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: first we're going to talk about Mothman. Oh, moth Man, yes, um. So, 68 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: just for those of you who may not know, mothman 69 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: is a cryptid originating from West Virginia. Uh. It started 70 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty six when several grave diggers spotted a 71 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: brown winged creature uh too big to be any kind 72 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: of bird. Uh. And later a couple driving at night 73 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: saw a huge creature with glowing red eyes, no neck, 74 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: and wings folded against its back. Uh. The Point Pleasant Register, 75 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: one of the local papers, reported, quote a couple sees 76 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: man sized bird creature something uh. And then ever since 77 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: then there have been sightings throughout the years. Uh. Some 78 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: people believe that the mothman uh pops up right before 79 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: and oncoming tragedy or catastrophe. Um. And so it's it's 80 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: such an interest. It's I really love this one. It's 81 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: so creative, it's very there's something kind of eerie. It's like, 82 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: not because the Mothman doesn't necessarily hurt anyone, but it's 83 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: just spooky. It's just warning you a bad omen. Yeah. Um, 84 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: I had never heard about the Mothman until obviously the 85 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: Mothman prophecies, and I was like, I'm not sure how 86 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: much of this, probably zero is based on the actual legend, 87 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: but um, yeah, I had no idea that it was 88 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: like a human sized necklace thing. Um. But I mean 89 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: you kind of wonder if there's like you know, kind 90 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: of like with near death experiences and things like that, 91 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: there are tend to be like similar threads. So it 92 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: makes I mean, if you just see like a kind 93 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: of lumpy specter like before something terrible happens, it could 94 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: be like an adrenaline response. But the red eyes are 95 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: always a nice touch. Love acryptedd with the red glowing eyes. 96 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: Red glowing eyes. Um. I actually get occasional sleep paralysis, 97 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: and it's not really the hallucinating type. It's more of 98 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: the menacing presence where something is sitting something evil is 99 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: sitting on my chest. Um. So I feel like it's 100 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: dictated by the kind of culture I consume. So if 101 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: I am, I listen to a lot of like murder 102 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: podcasts and stuff. So when I listen to those and 103 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: I get sleep proalysis' is like, Oh, it's a murderer 104 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: sitting on my chest. Like, but what's weird is I 105 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: don't I think the part of my brain that's responsible 106 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: for scaring me is also a sleep whatever specific disorder 107 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: is going on. So like I'm like not afraid, but 108 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: I'm completely convinced, like I'm going to get killed by 109 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: a serial killer. But I'm like, I'm I'm disappointed, but 110 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm not scared. Well, man, Jesus suck. So I feel 111 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: like if I got sleep paralysis and I really absorbed 112 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: the mothman prophecies, I might see a moth man and 113 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: and be like, geez, come on, man, why do you 114 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: think that is? Do you think it's just because you're 115 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: so relaxed that you can't have that normal kind of 116 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: like yeah, I think so, like with a with sleep paralysis, 117 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: your brain is normally when it comes out of r 118 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: e M. Rabid eye movement. Sleep, there's sort of a 119 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: process um of like the different parts of the brain 120 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: kind of essentially turning back on um. But like if 121 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: your sleep is disturbed and like say you're so the 122 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: ponds in your brain will stop sending signals to your 123 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: spinal cord um, so you that's why you're paralyzed. And 124 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: but if other parts of your brain, like parts of 125 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: the prefrontal cortex wake up or the occipital lobe, and 126 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: that's for people who get the visual hallucinations that'll start 127 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: to give you'll start to process the real world. But 128 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: then it connects with like your amygdala isn't fully operating 129 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: at a hunder percent and it's not um communicating well 130 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: with the prefrontal cortex. So I think in my case, 131 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, like the amygdala isn't is not communicating well. 132 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: And then it's like so that fear response is just 133 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: not there. It's like it's like I have It's like 134 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,559 Speaker 1: when you see someone in your dream and you don't 135 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: have the emotional connection to them and it's really bizarre. 136 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: So it's like that it's like I'm I'm an emotionally 137 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: distant from this feeling of doom and it's it's very weird. 138 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Maybe that's a good thing. I mean, it's 139 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: good for you. I know some people with sleeper elsis 140 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: it's extremely terrifying. I'm pretty lucky. Um. So I'm in 141 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: terms of moth man, uh what I think if like 142 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of a real like say this 143 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: is real, right, like what to moth man moth human 144 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: hybrid be like? Um. One thing I think that people 145 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: that makes it really goofy is that it would be 146 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: covered in these big flaky scales, just like because moms, 147 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: you know how moths are dusty. Those are little microscopic 148 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: scales that play a role in coloration. And it's also 149 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: thought they might be um uh sort of thermal regulations, 150 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: so like insulating them and keeping or absorbing sunlight so 151 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: they don't overheat or get too cold. Um. And so 152 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: if it's like a proportionally sized uh you know, moth wing, 153 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: and then there's just like all this like flaky scales, 154 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 1: like every time the moth like flies away, like this 155 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: dust kind of the need to exfoliate, right, some some 156 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: get some perp. Plus what's the anti damia? Um, do 157 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: they have Do you know if moth man has antenna's antenna? Yeah, so, um, 158 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: moths do have antenna and they actually, um, they're very 159 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: sensitive in that they can detect pheromones. Um. So they 160 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: are highly attuned to using their those little feathery antenna 161 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: to pick up on the sense of females. And so 162 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: it's kind of like, uh, that's another spooky thing. Maybe 163 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: that's why if same mothman was real, that's why he 164 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: could like detect an actually could like smell danger. You 165 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: can pick up the fear. So fascinating. I'm super into moss. 166 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: I've I've been a big moth fan for a long time, 167 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: with the exception of the ones that go into your cabinet. Oh, 168 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: I hate that. The food. Yeah, I'm there. I'm at 169 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: the same thing. The big the bigger the moth, the better. 170 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: It's those tiny ones that are like almost flat, where 171 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: it's like they go into your cabinets and eat your 172 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 1: food and get on your clothes. I don't like those 173 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: because those are those are pests. But every other moth 174 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: I grew up. I live for a while in Connecticut, 175 00:09:55,559 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: and they had I think they're lunar moths. But the giant. Yeah, yeah, 176 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: they're beautiful. I was walking in a nature reserve in 177 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: San Diego and am I think it's called a It's 178 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: called a sphinx moth. And they're these huge moths that 179 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: actually get confused with hummingbirds sometimes because they um they're 180 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: so big, uh, and they drink nectar like hummingbirds, and 181 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: their their wing their wing beat can be mistaken for 182 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: like a hummingbirds hovering. Uh. And it like landed on 183 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: me and refused to let go. Like I was having 184 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: trouble prying it off, and I didn't want to hurt it, 185 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: so I just like lit it sit on me, and 186 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: then it like it just like stayed on me. And 187 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: then eventually like I kind of got it off with 188 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: like a leaf and put it in a little box. Uh, 189 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: and then it just like it died the next day. 190 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: So I think it was I think it was like 191 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: on its deathbed and it was just it saw me. 192 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: Is it like this child with brightly colored clothes, and 193 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: like it was like, yeah, I'll sit on this human. 194 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: You listen closely. It might have been willing you. It's 195 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: a state. Missed it I leave to you leave an 196 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: assorted poop. So there's a couple of compelling theories about 197 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: like what the real animal is behind the mothman siding. 198 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: So theory one is the sandhill crane. Um. So arguments 199 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: for it is that these are big birds. So uh, 200 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: they're grayish brown, so that brown color matches the description. 201 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: They way up to fifteen pounds and they are a 202 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: little over four ft in height, and they have a 203 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: seven foot wingspan, so it's reasonably large for a bird. 204 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: You're not like, if you're not used to these animals, 205 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: that would seem too large to be a bird. They 206 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: also have red foreheads and orange eyes. Um. Here's a 207 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: picture of one looking particularly I'm convinced. Um. They also 208 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: look kind of mad. Yeah, they do. They look angry. Um, 209 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: and that's just because their foreheads are fluffy. Um. Their 210 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: migration path takes them from Canada to Florida, and they 211 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: pass through Kentucky. Um. But they don't they don't go 212 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: through West Virginia, but they're close enough that um. In 213 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, a wildlife biologist was saying, oh, this 214 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: is probably a sand hill crane that was like veering 215 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: off course. So the residents weren't used to these birds, 216 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: so they were attributing the mothman to this unfamiliar bird 217 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: that was bigger than any bird that's like local to 218 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: the area. Um, here's the problem, and this is the 219 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: problem that a lot of conspiracy theorists point to as 220 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: is that sant hill cranes they got big next and 221 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: moth man you don't got no. Um And uh, that 222 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: picture I showed you, The reason that looks like the 223 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: moth man is because that his head is actually turned 224 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: so like when they're sleeping or resting, they pulled their 225 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: necks back and they like kind of rested against their body. 226 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: So it could be that. But if the signing was 227 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: like an agitated bird, I would imagine it wouldn't keep 228 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: its neck like that. So so aren't cranes. I'm totally 229 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: pulling this out of the here. I know nothing about cranes, 230 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: but I would assume they wouldn't like a pro people. 231 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm not sure, like it's I don't 232 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: think generally speaking, they would be aggressive. Um, Like, if 233 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: this one's off course on it's migration, it's already stressed out. 234 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: Maybe it was like aggressively flapping at some people. But 235 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: then if it's being aggressive, I would imagine it's neck 236 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't be at rest, but it's possible, like say, it's 237 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: like kind of just chilling out and these guys see 238 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: it and it's really spooky and they and then it 239 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: kind of stretches its wings out and they perceive that 240 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: as being like, you know, aggressive UM. Or like in 241 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: the case of the couple who there was like a 242 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: couple who said that it followed them in their car, 243 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: maybe it was super lost and it was like going 244 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: to Florida. Where are you guys hitting Florida? UM. So 245 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: theory number two is that it is an owl, which 246 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: sounds dumb because it's like, of course, you know an 247 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: owl is now. But here's some um reasons it could be. 248 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: One is that it's local to the area. UM. And 249 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: there's a species of owl uh called the barred owl 250 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: that is in the specific region that these sightings happened. UM. 251 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: And their eyes actually, so different owls will have different eyeshine, 252 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: so UM Barn owls, which were another candidate, they don't 253 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: typically have red eyeshine. So eyeshine is when at night, 254 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: like light reflects off the eye and you can actually 255 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: see like the retina and the blood vessels and that's why, 256 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: like in photos you have red eye. Um. It's like 257 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: when cats and other nocturnal animals, like you see those 258 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: kind of glowing eyes. UM. For the barn owl, their 259 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: eyes don't shine red. So people are like, oh, it 260 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: can't be an now, but the barred owl this isn't 261 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: It sounds similar, but it's barred like the A R. R. E. 262 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: D like an owl that not like Shakespeare owl right exactly. Um. 263 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: And their eyes do glow red at night because of 264 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: the red eyeshine because they have these deep eyes with 265 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: um blood a lot of blood vessels that will refract 266 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: that light back um. And the initial descriptions of the 267 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: mothman were very owl like, with the wings that were 268 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: folded on the back, the head that blended into the 269 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: rest of the body as you know owls kind of 270 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: they don't really have a neck. They do, but you 271 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: can't see it. Don't feel bad, don't shame the owl. 272 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: I'm not neck shaming them. It's fine if they don't 273 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: have neck. Um. But you it doesn't seem like you 274 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: would mistake an awl for a monster though. But have 275 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: you ever seen an owl without feathers? No owls when 276 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: they don't have feathers are shocking looking. Oh no oh no, 277 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: this is going to ruin owls forever. Um, oh no ah, 278 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: what happened to those owls? So those are they're fine there, um, 279 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: but these are probably young owls that are growing their feathers. Um. 280 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: And they're probably a little scared, so that's why they're 281 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: stay ending so tall. But they this this uh viral 282 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: video went online because people thought they were aliens. They 283 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: look like aliens, but also you could totally see they 284 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: look kind of like moths. Yeah, they look humanoid right. Um. 285 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: So it's like these these fledgling owls who don't have 286 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: that many feathers. They look they're fluffy or than in 287 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: one way there, like their their feathers are more downy, 288 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: kind of like whispy. Um. But they're not fully filled 289 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: out with the feathers. So you can see their legs 290 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: are really long. Um. That's another surprising thing about owls. 291 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: They have mega legs, legs for days. Here's a picture 292 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: of uh it's an artistic rendering of an owl without feathers. Um. Wow, 293 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: that is so wild. Yeah, they look like aliens, right, yeah, 294 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: like very old men. Right. And here's a really funny 295 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: one of someone showing how how tall their legs are. 296 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: It's just a person lifting the owl up and so 297 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: you can see how how tall their Yeah, yeah, it's 298 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: like do those legs go all the way up? And 299 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: that I was like, why yas indeed they do? Why 300 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: put me on the right show you? Um, if you 301 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: think about it, that makes sense because raptors often have 302 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: big beefy legs because they have those huge talents and 303 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: they need that muscle power for grasping prey um. And 304 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: so uh, it's just I think surprising to people because 305 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: owls are so fluffy their feathers cover all that leg 306 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: It gives them like a totally different body shape, right exactly, 307 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: So how big is the bar at owl? It's not 308 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: that big, but I feel like if you it's I mean, 309 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: it's big in terms of a bird. Um owls are. 310 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: I think it's like about it's like a couple of 311 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: feet uh tall. I think if that makes sense um 312 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: uh and it's uh, but I think it's There is 313 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: a study that showed when people are like driving along 314 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: the road at night, they have really poor or perception 315 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: of the size of things. So if you're scared also, 316 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: you'll perceive something as being bigger than it really is. UM. 317 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: And they have a pretty good wingspan. UM. So if 318 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: you can imagine like say bart ol either a young 319 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: bard owl who hadn't fully uh you know, fledged, or 320 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: like a one with like some hair loss or not 321 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: hair loss, has some owl pattern baldness, UM, just kind 322 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: of like being agitated and and and they their hoots 323 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: are also very like deep and somewhat foreboding. So I 324 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: could definitely see that as being you know, you see 325 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: this leggy creature with wings and no neck and glowing 326 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: red eyes and it's hooting maliciously at you, and you're like, yeah, 327 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: that's a that's a that's a demon. Yeah, something bad 328 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: did just happen. It's not even telling me it's already happened. 329 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: That when an owl happens to you, that's bad enough. Now. 330 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: I love that they can take it. We can, we can. 331 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: Rewls have a thick, a thick, feathery husk and under 332 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: that a bunch of leg Is mothman just a mirror 333 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: into the psychology of humanity? Maybe? David Gallo, of Psychology 334 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: professor at the University of Chicago believes that mothman sidings 335 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: may be part of a sort of group culturally dictated cognition. 336 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: He explains that certain cultural ideas can influence how your 337 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: brain interprets stimuli. So maybe after the first Mothman siding, 338 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: every owl bird or blurry camera artifact became a mothman. 339 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: I think there's something pretty spooky about how we can 340 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: almost create mass hallucinations just through the force of storytelling 341 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: in a way that makes mothman reel, an operation of 342 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: collective imagination. When we return, we'll talk about more cryptids, 343 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: starting with an infamous blood sucker. So why do we 344 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: fear the blood s After all, vampires exist in almost 345 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: every culture and over many centuries of folklore. One theory 346 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: is that they're a manifestation of social upheaval. Vampire folklore 347 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: seems to thrive in places where lower classes were persecuted. 348 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:18,719 Speaker 1: Nina Auerbach, University of Pennsylvania, English professor and author of 349 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: quote Our Vampires Ourselves says vampire fears arise during times 350 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: of strife, such as in Eastern Europe when peasants were persecuted, 351 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: or perhaps in nine when farmers found that their precious 352 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:37,239 Speaker 1: livestock had been massacred. So l Chupacabra literally translates to uh, 353 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: the goat sucker. I'm pretty sure, um So it's it's 354 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: actually more recent than I had thought, Like I'm sure 355 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: iterations of it existed before, but yeah, um, but it 356 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: really hits sort of popular culture in um. So. It's 357 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: a cryptod who is said to live on the American 358 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: continent in Mexico of southwestern US uh and in Puerto 359 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: Rico and in Central and South America. So the first 360 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: reported attack occurred in Puerto Rico where eight sheep were 361 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: discovered with their blood sucked dry and puncture wounds in 362 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: their chest and so the distress farmers, which for a farmer, 363 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: when your livestock is killed, it's like if like one 364 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: sheep is killed by a wild animal, like that sucks. 365 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: But if like eight sheep are all killed and they 366 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: just drained of their blood and then just left there 367 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: and left there, it's that's super upsetting. Um and so uh. 368 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: The sightings of the chupa cabra typically describe a leathery 369 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: gray beast with spines on its back and it kind 370 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: of looks like a cross between like uh in descriptions 371 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: like a kangaroo, a lizard, and a hairless dog. Um. Yeah, 372 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: a lot of pictures of like chupa cabras online, uh tenda, 373 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: there's actually ones that are of they're called Jolos. I 374 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: think it's it's got a longer name. It's like Jolo's, 375 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: Jolo's we'll call them jolo jolos. Yeah. They're Mexican hairless 376 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: dogs and they're born without hair, perfectly healthy when they 377 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: don't have hair. Um, but they I think they're pretty 378 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: cool looking dogs. They kind of look like a nubiss. 379 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: I think they may even be called the nubass dogs, 380 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: but they're they're really neat. But like, uh, we're not 381 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: used to seeing a hairless dog, so sometimes people show 382 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: a dog like them be like that's a cheap of cobra. 383 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: It's no, it's just a normal dog. But he baled um, 384 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: he bald. But also the Mexican hairless dog. Like the 385 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: first association I have is the scary stories to tell 386 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: in the dark story where the couple goes to Mexico 387 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: and they're like and everyone's like, look, you found a 388 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: hairless dog. It's so cute. And then they come back 389 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: to the u S and they're like, no, that's a rat. Babies. 390 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: I was like that does not really that you don't 391 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: resemble each other at all, but it's struggling like like all, 392 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: so it's not it's like just anatomically a rat because 393 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen naked rats. Yeah, bald rats. They 394 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: just look like bald rats. Yeah, they do not look like, Yeah, 395 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: you're really roasting scary stories to tell unextraptable because that 396 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: story also, I was like, that's it's not like scary 397 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: so much as it just sucks. But they're just very 398 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: dumb and this yeah exactly, they're really dumb and then 399 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: they're just like, right, I guess like we don't have 400 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: a dog. We thought we had the story of like 401 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: Yuppi disappointment, So I think that's that's also like a 402 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: little bit of this stuff of like things in Mexico 403 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: are scary exactly. You never know what's going on, like 404 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: that weird yellow filter they put on film when it's 405 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: like like yeah, when you go to Mexico, like it's 406 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: it's all yellow filter and yeah that like weird like 407 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: like like wiggly distortion, yeah, yeah, like like when the 408 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: ground is hot and it makes the air kind of 409 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: distroyed around like otherwise, how would you know, how would 410 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: you know that you were in Mexico and they made 411 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: it a complete different universe exactly. Um so. Um the 412 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: I was wondering, how like there could be a real chuopicabra, 413 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: so like a demonic goat sucking creature that manages to 414 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: puck the blood out of sheep without them noticing. Um so, uh, 415 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: maybe it could be like a leech or a vampire 416 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: bat that's like a hybrid with a dog or something. 417 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: So it's got the stealth and intelligence of a dog 418 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: and then the blood sucking abilities of a leech or 419 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: a vampire bout. Now, leeches and vampire bouts both have 420 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: anticoagulant in their saliva that makes it easier for them 421 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: to suck up blood. But one thing I found, and 422 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: I had actually believed this myth before researching this, that 423 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: that their saliva contains an anesthetic. That's actually not true. 424 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: Um so we there is no evidence of there being 425 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: an anesthetic in their saliva. Um there's a morphine like 426 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: substance in their neural tissue. Um So, it's confusing because 427 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: there's still a possibility that maybe there's somehow secreting this 428 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: in their bike, but there's no evidence that it's actually 429 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,239 Speaker 1: in their saliva or in their um. They're sort of 430 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: a mouth secretions that would make uh, would numb people too. 431 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: And I read some uh, some biologists heart like saying 432 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: like it's a total myth that it doesn't hurt, because 433 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: it can hurt when I when I wonder, I was 434 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: always wondering about what it felt like to get a leech, 435 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: because growing up, like you know, I would go swimming 436 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: in shady the shady lake where it's like who knows 437 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: what's in there? Um, and some like some of my 438 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: family members would be like, look out for leeches, and 439 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: some of them had had leeches, but it was none 440 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: of them could really remember because I just remembered being 441 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: creeped out finding the leech, but they couldn't really remember 442 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 1: like a sensation. And I always wondered if it was 443 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: if there was something that made it not hurt, or 444 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: like you know, able to be able to ignore the sensation, 445 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: or if it was just the suction was so you know, 446 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: pinpointed basically that that can um. I think that's yeah. 447 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: I think it's the latter. I think since their teeth 448 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: are so tiny and needle like um and you probably 449 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: get it while you're swimming, so you're in cool water 450 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: perhaps and like you're you're maybe not noticing all of 451 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: those body sensations as much. Um, so that would be 452 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: that I suspect that would be the case. Like that. 453 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,239 Speaker 1: It's kind of like you wouldn't necessarily notice someone like 454 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: poking you with a syringe underwater and cold water. Um. 455 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, they but the the anticoagulant is very real 456 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: and that that's a that makes it easier too. So 457 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: it's not like they're actively like sucking like a vacuat. 458 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: They're just kind of allowing the blood flow to come 459 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: into your mouth, right. And vampire bats also have teeny 460 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: tiny needle like tea, which you know, cow, it's probably 461 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: like the cows like whoa, what was that? But it 462 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily disturb the cow because they're not like they're 463 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: not like sucking on it there gently laughing at the 464 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: at the web. Yeah there. And but here's the thing. 465 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: This is why the chupacabra, even if we invent this 466 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: like dog vampire bat leech hybrid, it's still wouldn't really 467 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: work as an animal because most vampire animals, Uh, first 468 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: of all, they don't necessarily kill their host. Otherwise, if 469 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: they're capable of that, why wouldn't they just eat the 470 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: rest of the host. Um. Also, they tend to be small, 471 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: like a vampire bat a little little tiny cutie. Uh 472 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: and leech is a little tiny not not as cute, 473 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: but quite tiny. Mosquitoes super tiny. These are all the 474 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: animals a lot. I mean there are more than that, 475 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: but most of the animals that tend to suck blood 476 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: are small. Uh. And that's because something the size of 477 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: a dog couldn't subsist on blood alone. Um. Their body 478 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: mouths would be too great. They would need things like 479 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: ty tissues. Um. So the real animal behind the myth 480 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 1: of the chupacabra is probably wait for it, mangie dogs 481 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: and coyotes I know. Um So, Bio'll just think that 482 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: the reports of chupacabras are likely stray dogs in Puerto Rico, 483 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: where they do have a lot of stray dogs. And um, 484 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: when the dogs are malnourished, uh, they tend to get mange. 485 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: So because they're um they're less capable of fighting off 486 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: these uh so manges caused by parasitic mites. Um. So, 487 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: when you have a healthy dog, there there's body their 488 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: immune system, their body is able to kind of fight 489 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: off these parasites, but if they're malne nourished, it's harder, 490 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: and then they tend to get mange um. And that 491 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: explains the appearance of the chupacabra pretty amplete, because that 492 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: that gray leathery skin is probably mangie skin because there's 493 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: probably a lot of scams. It's hairless um. And it 494 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: would also explain the spikes along the back because if 495 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: they're ma this is really sad, but if they're malnourished, 496 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: their vertebrae are probably sticking out, so those look like 497 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: spines um, and their faces probably look more angular and 498 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: reptilian um. And it would also explain why they potentially 499 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: attack livestock, because if they're too weak to hunt down 500 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: regular prey, they probably go where they typically are too 501 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: afraid to go. But they're so hungry they're like going 502 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: after livestock um, and they may not even know what 503 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: to do with it at that point. They probably get 504 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: easily spooked if the rest of the livestock starts to 505 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: um make a fuss, then they might run off without 506 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: even eating it. So that coyotes and dogs are known 507 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: to do that where they'll bite something, um attack it, 508 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: maybe with the intention of eating it, but then if 509 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: they get spooked, they'll run off before they make this calculation. 510 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: And I would imagine that a malnourished dogg or coyote 511 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: is worse at making that calculation. They don't know what 512 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: necessarily to do it. Once they've uh, you know, killed 513 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: a sheep, like they're like okay, and then like there's 514 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of sheep around that are maybe jostling and angry, 515 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: and then they get scared. Um, and then that whole 516 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: blood draining thing is actually potentially not true. So um, 517 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: it's not that it's that a lie like they're making 518 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: it up. It's that it's a misconception. So veterinarians reviewed 519 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: these lives. They actually found that they did have blood 520 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: in them. It wasn't that they had been drained dry blood. 521 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: It's that what happens is that when a any living 522 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: animal dies that has blood in it, it's a process 523 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: called lividity where the blood pools at the bottom. So 524 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: it's like if you cut it, like say you're doing 525 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: like an autopsy on a dead sheep that's been dead 526 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: for a while, it won't bleed. So a farmer who's 527 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: used to slaughtering an animal that's you know, either alive 528 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: or like maybe freshly dead or something. They would be 529 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: used to blood flow when you like cut through the animals. 530 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: So if it doesn't that, they would very reasonably assumed 531 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: that had been drained of blood. Um and So I 532 00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: think that's probably the most likely explanation. But if there 533 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: were eight of the sheep killed, would that be like 534 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: a pack of could have been Yeah, it could be 535 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: although you know it's so it's something where you know, 536 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: it could be a dog just like going crazy biting things, 537 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: or a coyote. Um and Uh, it could be a 538 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: pack of them, although I would assume if it was 539 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: a pack, they would successfully take one down. But they 540 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: could have gotten spooked, Like they could have gotten spooked 541 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: and run off, and then subsequent sightings of it, because 542 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: I think the initial encounter, like they didn't necessarily see 543 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: what happened. They just saw these dead sheep. So that 544 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: could have been like a pack that like came in, 545 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: tried to kill them and then got spooked and ran off. 546 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: Um And or they were this is more morbid, but 547 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: maybe they were just having fun and killing funny coyote 548 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: gays um, but yeah, I think it's UM. And then 549 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: like maybe people like I was talking about these sort 550 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: of cultural memes that happened where then you interpret things 551 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: that you see as fitting in with um other people's 552 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: um sort of rumors and stuff. So it's like you 553 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: you hear about this like thing blood sucking creature, then 554 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: you see like a mange coyote, and you're like, hey, 555 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: maybe that's right, especially one that's like in the area 556 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: where another animal got killed. Because this chiopucabra, it's been 557 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: in multiple areas, right Puerto Rico in Mexico, uh, the 558 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: southwestern America and like Central and South America. So it's 559 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: like these multiple sightings unlikely a new breed of animal 560 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: that like, you know, that looks like a reptile with 561 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: spines on its back. I think that's a really good hypothesis. 562 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,479 Speaker 1: I mean, especially because here in l A, like you know, 563 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: in the past couple of years, I think, especially during 564 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: the when the drought was really really bad, you would 565 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: see coyotes that were clearly like hardier than the coyotes 566 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: you'd normally see, like coyotes where you would assume they'd 567 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: hunt far away from people, but that they're being driven 568 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: kind of closer to people just based on lack of 569 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: cutter like resources, and some of them looked really rough, 570 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: you know. Well, so my parents house in San Diego 571 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: kind of neighbors an area of chaparral. We would get 572 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: a lot of coyotes. We even got a mountain lion 573 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: in our backyard once. And are my parents backyard is 574 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: pretty friendly to these animals because it's like there's like 575 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: a little wood fence, but there's the whole yard has 576 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: a lot of trees and bushes and stuff, so it's 577 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: like all you know, very similar to kind of their 578 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: their native stuff on the other side of the fence, 579 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: and so it's, uh, they would love to come in. 580 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: We had like kyoty puppies that came in. But like 581 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: so a lot of times, like at night, you know, 582 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: I'd hear coyotes and they sound like when they're in 583 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: a pack, they have this weird they almost sound like 584 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: demonic children laughing. Yeah, they have like it's almost sounds 585 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: like a baby crying or something. It's like yeah, and 586 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: it's super creepy. And I feel like there's something inherently 587 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: creepy about coyotes. I mean they're they're really cute too, 588 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: like the little puppies are are adorable, but they're yeah, 589 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: they're they're they're kind of menacing that their whole pack 590 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: structure where they kind of try to like they'll they'll 591 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: go in and sneakily kill your chickens or kill your 592 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: livestock or even your pets, and that's creepy, and especially 593 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: the pack. I think the pack. My parents were out 594 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: here and they were walking their dog in Griffith Park 595 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: at night and like my dad saw a coyote and 596 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: then heard behind him like a wrestling and he was 597 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: being surrounded by the Yeah, and that was super But 598 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: even though, yeah, I mean I love them, and like 599 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's clearly you can be creeped out by 600 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: something but still love it exactly. Do you have sing 601 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: bevore a phobia that's a fear of vampires. And if 602 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: you have a fear of these blood sucking demons, maybe 603 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: you also have hemophobia, a fear of blood or blood 604 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: injection injury phobia, which covers the fear of blood injections 605 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: or seeing a physical injury. These are extremely common phobias, 606 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: which kind of makes sense. Losing blood is generally not 607 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: good for us, nor is getting injured or poked with something, 608 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 1: so these very normal reactions can spiral into a full 609 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: blown phobia. Often people with these phobias also experience vaso 610 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: vagal syncope, meaning fainting. But fainting at the site of 611 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: blood doesn't necessarily mean you're a frady cat. In fact, 612 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: vaso vagal syncope may have deep evolutionary roots. Are animal 613 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: ancestors also experience fear brady cardia, which means the slowing 614 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: of the heart in response to stress. Brady Cardia can 615 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: lead to fainting, both in animals and humans. This may 616 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 1: be an evolutionary defensive mechanism when the heart is in peril, 617 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: either due to injury or stress. A paper by Alboni 618 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: at All called Origin and Evolution of vaso vagel syncope 619 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: says quote the slowing of heart rate induced by the 620 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: vase of vagle reflex may constitute a beneficial break of 621 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: cardiac pump, thereby reducing myocardial oxygen consumption. Basically, it's giving 622 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: your heart a chance to rest. Unfortunately, this means the 623 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 1: rest of you might take a very sudden and unexpected 624 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: rest as well, resulting in well fainting, so grab your 625 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: fainting couch. When we return, we'll talk about some very real, 626 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: very creepy cryptids. So cryptids all over the world have 627 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: similar features, which maybe speaks to some deep instinctive human fears. Take, 628 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,959 Speaker 1: for instance, the fear of giant worms. There's the Minho cow, 629 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: a Brazilian legendary giant worm, a man sized Mongolian death worm, 630 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: the movie Tremor starring Kevin Bacon, and many other giant worms, 631 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: and folklore around the world. Maybe we have an instinctive 632 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: fear of these slithery creatures. They're snakelike, they can be parasites, 633 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: and they're associated with death and decay in the deep, 634 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,280 Speaker 1: deep underground. Well, good thing. These giant Crawley's slimy worms 635 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: are just legen and oh I'm sorry, did you forget 636 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: which podcast you're listening to? Of course they're real. So 637 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: the giant Gippsland earthworm, native to of course Australia, is 638 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: a three foot long worm, and depending on how long 639 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: it's stretched or how much it's contracted, it can be 640 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: about the thickness of a medium to large sized rope. 641 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: They live in deep burrows in Gippsland, Victoria. They actually 642 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: have really long lifespans. They live for several years and 643 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,919 Speaker 1: they only reach sexual maturity at five years. Typically, they're 644 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 1: never seen on land, as they spend their whole lives 645 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: deep deep in their muddy burrows. While on land they 646 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: can't move too fast. Inside their special wormholes, they can 647 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: slip and slide around pretty rapidly. In fact, they make 648 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: a deep guttural gurgling sound like water draining from a 649 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: bathtub as they scoot through their holes, which can terrify 650 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 1: people because you can hear it from the surface. O 651 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: the worst thing I've ever heard, um, which it makes 652 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: sense that people would be scared of that. Yeah, not 653 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,399 Speaker 1: like sort of deep in the earth kind of thing 654 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: and like just sort of sliding around in this mudd um. 655 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: There's this famous um Japanese comic by I think it's 656 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: Gngi Edo Um that where it's like about people who 657 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: find there's like these holes in a cliff face that 658 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: are people shaped, and then people like crawling the holes 659 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: and then they just like get sucked in and it's 660 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 1: it's super creepy. And I just imagine that noise, like 661 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: the these a giant start and the and watching it 662 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 1: was also unpleasant. I actually really like worms, but not 663 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: this worm. I don't like it. This worm is pretty big. 664 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: It's a hefty, it's a it's a big boy thick worm. 665 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: It's a thick so we we like to call them 666 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 1: big old noodle boys. Yeah. Um. But so I want 667 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: to talk about another very real cryptod um, but perhaps 668 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: in a way you might not expect. So bigfoot or 669 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 1: sasquatch is what maybe the most famous crypto in the world. Uh, 670 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: It's found in North America. But North America is not 671 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: the only place with a big foot. So there's the 672 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: Baramano of northern Pakistan and Afghanistan that locals describe as 673 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,399 Speaker 1: a humanoid apelike creature who abducts women to mate with. 674 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: There's the bucket Tima monkey man, who is said to 675 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 1: inhabit Singapore, which is a three to six foot tall 676 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: small difference, but uh, depending on reports. Uh, it's an 677 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 1: immortal bipedal hominid um. And actually by all just think 678 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: sightings of this are the crab eating macaque. But when 679 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 1: I've seen like these maccaques, they're like clearly small monkeys. Yeah. Yeah, Um. 680 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: There's the Mary coxy, which is a large ape like 681 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 1: creature in South American jungles. Who Uh, these are more 682 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 1: advanced versions of Bigfoot where they actually can use both 683 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: and arrows, which I feel like it's not fair. No, 684 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,720 Speaker 1: I know, right, It's like Bigfoot to me has always 685 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: been sort of a nice, like passive guy. But you 686 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: can't get Bigfoot like an A K forty seven. No. No, 687 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: you can't arm Bigfoot. Don't arm big keep arms away 688 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: from Bigfoot. We need legislation. Yeah. Um there's the Mogo 689 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,760 Speaker 1: lawn monster, which is a bipedal humanoid over seven ft 690 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: tall who lives in Arizona who smells like dead fish 691 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: or the musk of a snapping turtle with wild red eyes. Um. So, 692 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 1: it's really interesting to me that so many cultures have 693 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: a big foot. Um and I'm kind of just speculating 694 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: on why. Uh. Some of my theories are that it's 695 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: like we have a kind of Uncanny Valley fear of 696 00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,800 Speaker 1: apes because they're almost humans. They look so close to humans, 697 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: but they're just not and so it's like we I 698 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: think that, um So, the uncanny Valley is the description 699 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: of that graph of your like comfort level when you 700 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,919 Speaker 1: look at like robots or humanoid c g I thing um, 701 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,879 Speaker 1: and as it gets more and more real, like your 702 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,280 Speaker 1: comfort level is like fine, maybe even goes up a little. 703 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,399 Speaker 1: But then like as it gets super close to being 704 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: realistic but not quite the your comfort and anxiety like 705 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: like your comfort goes way down and dips into the 706 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: un kelly valley, and then it goes back up as 707 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: we get to like basically real human face. It seems 708 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: like it's almost a defense against getting tricked. You know. 709 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: It's interesting. Yeah, it's super interesting. I love I mean, 710 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: I remember like when I first heard about the Uncanny 711 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: Valley and I was like, this is like a place 712 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 1: I like to be. This is the crea I love 713 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: looking at uh like weird animatronics. I really enjoy the 714 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: Uncanny Valley too. It's fine, it's fun place to be 715 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,240 Speaker 1: because it also it's like it doesn't really makes sense 716 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 1: why it feels so spooky. It's like going on a 717 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: roller coaster, but it's happening inside your amygdala. Yeah. But also, 718 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: like when you were talking about our complicated relationship to apes, 719 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: I think it also has to do with how guilty 720 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: we feel. I mean, I I took my kids to 721 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: the zoo. Um like last year, I think it was 722 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: part of a field trip and we spent a long 723 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,359 Speaker 1: time like with the apes, and they were taking care 724 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: of their children, and we were watching them from behind glass, 725 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 1: and like when we saw the chimps, they were like 726 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: coming up to the glass and interacting, and you just 727 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: get this sense of how wrong this is, like how 728 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: closely like you feel like it could be swapped the patients. Um. 729 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,839 Speaker 1: And So sometimes I wonder about with Bigfoot, if it's 730 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: like we're kind of projecting the of we want there 731 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,479 Speaker 1: to be like a secret society of big Feet, because 732 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 1: it's almost like then maybe we haven't completely raised the 733 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,280 Speaker 1: entire planet, like maybe they're secret pockets of just untamed wilderness. 734 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: And I think that's super appealing. I think, yeah, that 735 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense to me, because I 736 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,359 Speaker 1: think with a lot of other animals, especially like less 737 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,240 Speaker 1: human looking animals, we can kind of like go like, okay, 738 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: but they're just animals. But with apes, it's almost like 739 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 1: looking into a mirror exactly. It's it's super that that 740 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: idea of like, oh yeah, maybe maybe animals can feel things, 741 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:27,280 Speaker 1: right yeah uh um. I also think that we tint 742 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: to anthropomorphized thing like on the other other end of 743 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: the scale where it's like so so um. When you 744 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,320 Speaker 1: see like faces in the clouds or like in tiles 745 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: with like random patterns and stuff, it's called para idolia, 746 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,720 Speaker 1: and that's kind of a um your brain really wants 747 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,800 Speaker 1: to see that human face schema, and it's we develop 748 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 1: it really early on, so like little babies start to 749 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 1: develop the face scheme and they actually respond to like, say, 750 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,359 Speaker 1: you make like a face where you put the eyes 751 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: in the mouth in the right place and you hold 752 00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: it up to a baby and they're like they can 753 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: wreck a nize that and then if you like, you know, 754 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, make it, make it kind of like more bizarre, 755 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,320 Speaker 1: like the proportions off. They don't. They don't like that 756 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,840 Speaker 1: didn't Uh no, thank you. I will not like to 757 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,720 Speaker 1: see the new Sonic movie. Um. But I almost wonder 758 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: if like we experienced this like paidolia when we're looking 759 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 1: at say like a bear in the distance, and sometimes 760 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: bears can walk on their hind legs, um like they're 761 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,439 Speaker 1: capable of it. They don't, that's not their normal mode 762 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 1: of locomotion. But if you see a bear on its 763 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: hind legs, like from a distance, I could see like 764 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of project like a human face 765 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: onto it totally. It's like that's in human position. So 766 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: like maybe that's uh because a lot of the I 767 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: think a lot of these samples sent into labs and 768 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: stuff of like this is bigfoot for and stuff tends 769 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: to be like bears or dear too. Um here that's interesting. 770 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 1: I think it's because like people will see like a 771 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 1: chunk of fur somewhere. It's like maybe the spook foot, 772 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: but it's just dear um. But good news, there is 773 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 1: a real world bigfoot, a scientifically verifiable bigfoot. It's called 774 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:15,879 Speaker 1: gigant Epithecus blackie um, which is extinct. Sorry um, So, 775 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: Gigantopithecus is a species of prehistoric ape that lived from 776 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: nine million years ago to maybe about a hundred thousand 777 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 1: years ago. We're not sure. There's very limited fossil evidence. Um. 778 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 1: All of the fossils we've found have been in South 779 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: China and Vietnam. But we have just enough fossils to 780 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 1: know what about what they looked like. So they were 781 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: nine ft tall and up to one thousand, three hundred pounds. What. Yeah, 782 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 1: So we have their mandibles and jaws and based on 783 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 1: the size of their their mandibles, which means we know 784 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,600 Speaker 1: what their skull sizes. We know how big they had 785 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,839 Speaker 1: to be to support such a big skull, and like 786 00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: also their closest living relatives orangutans, And we just use 787 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 1: that anatomy to kind of build this animal up. And 788 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 1: it's enormous. That's like the weight of a horse. Yeah, 789 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 1: it's for comparison, guerrilla's only way up to about four 790 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 1: and thirty pounds. Um. So yeah, it's like the size 791 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: of a bear. U. Yeah. Um. And uh, we know 792 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: how big they were. We know that they were hominids, uh, 793 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: and we know that some of their closest relatives are 794 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 1: the oriantans, which they're actually uh they're like eight times 795 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,399 Speaker 1: the size of oraantans um. But we uh don't know 796 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,880 Speaker 1: how they walked so uh. Most paleontologists and biologists assumed 797 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: that they must have walked on all fours because with 798 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,279 Speaker 1: such a massive body, that's hard to imagine being able 799 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: to support that weight. But the argument for them being 800 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: bipedal is that the shape of the jawbone, which is 801 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,920 Speaker 1: like this U shape, would allow for the wind pipe 802 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,279 Speaker 1: to go traverse through the jaw so like and if 803 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 1: you look at the anatomy of like say a gorilla 804 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: that is uh walks on all fours. Their skull is 805 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,720 Speaker 1: like forward, and then their spine kind of forms the slope, 806 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,839 Speaker 1: so there trachea and their wind pipe actually goes like 807 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 1: not through the jaw, but like kind of behind it. Um. 808 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: But for us, like if you feel you're you're tricky, 809 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: it's like right, it's it's right through that um, that 810 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,360 Speaker 1: little U shape of your jaw bone, and that allows 811 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 1: our heads to sit erect on our spines. UM. So 812 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,840 Speaker 1: there's that argument that like, well, maybe because their jaws 813 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 1: are kind of U shaped. Um. Of course we have 814 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,280 Speaker 1: very little falsil evidence. So um. I my personal feeling, 815 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 1: as much as I want them to be bipedal, I 816 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 1: feel like they probably at most would kind of walk 817 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 1: slumped over with like kind of maybe one uh foot 818 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: on the ground, maybe like three legs, maybe four legs 819 00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: sometimes maybe sometimes bipedal, Like maybe that that jaw design 820 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,440 Speaker 1: in their skull design allowed them to stand up for 821 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: longer periods of time. It's just such a massive animal. 822 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,280 Speaker 1: I can't imagine it being able to just stroll around 823 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,400 Speaker 1: like do what, well, what did it eat? Do we 824 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 1: know what we actually have? A pretty good idea of 825 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,479 Speaker 1: what it ate based on fossil records of um, sort 826 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: of the like um plant leavings in the teeth and 827 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,239 Speaker 1: like the scraping marks. So UM. It's thought that they 828 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:33,320 Speaker 1: ate bamboo seeds and fruit. So you know, hippies, um, 829 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,319 Speaker 1: which I think is great because they're so huge that 830 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 1: they probably had no natural predators. But they were just 831 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 1: like these these hippies hanging out, vegans hanging out eating 832 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 1: bamboo seeds and fruit. Now, they could have eaten more 833 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,960 Speaker 1: of an omnivorous diet and we wouldn't know because we 834 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 1: don't have the fossil records of right, um, but we 835 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,160 Speaker 1: do know they at least date bamboo. UM. I love 836 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,839 Speaker 1: these guys. How I never heard of this. I think 837 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 1: it's I think it's just um because there's not there's 838 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,840 Speaker 1: not a full skeleton of them, so it's like it 839 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,279 Speaker 1: maybe it's like, oh, a fragment of a job bone, 840 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 1: Why is that interesting? Um? But when you really build 841 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 1: it up from that, it's like, this is an amazing animal. 842 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 1: The reason it probably went extinct is wait for it, 843 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: climate change whoops. Um. So the climate change was turning 844 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,440 Speaker 1: its forests into savannah and since it was so large, 845 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,400 Speaker 1: it couldn't really adapt to the more meager food offerings, 846 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,560 Speaker 1: so smaller primates were able to go Okay, like our 847 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,600 Speaker 1: normal fruits and stuff are gone, but hey we can 848 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 1: still do this other stuff. Um. But like with such 849 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,480 Speaker 1: a big animal, it's sort of like how um pandas 850 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 1: um if you take away their bamboo, they can't survive 851 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,440 Speaker 1: as a species. Um. And which is interesting because like 852 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 1: the Gigantipithecus also ate bamboo. Um. And uh it's to 853 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,440 Speaker 1: me kind of um it's very prescient. I mean, like 854 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 1: last week we talked about the Amazon rainforest and climate 855 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,600 Speaker 1: change and like, you know, sure we're not the size 856 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: of the gig Antipithecus, but our society really is. We 857 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,799 Speaker 1: are a huge, huge society with so many people, and 858 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,440 Speaker 1: we have such a high need for food and land 859 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,759 Speaker 1: and we're the vampires now that I don't know if 860 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,640 Speaker 1: we could adapt to a planet that gets downgraded to 861 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,560 Speaker 1: uh not not necessarily being as human friendly. Um. So 862 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, but uh, you know, maybe in like a 863 00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,360 Speaker 1: few million years, like the next smaller iteration of humans 864 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 1: will look at our uh skulls and be like, I 865 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 1: wonder if they walked on like two feet or feet, 866 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, like they were all vegans clearly like they 867 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:50,320 Speaker 1: should have been. They were very against something called straws. Straws. Yeah. Um, 868 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: but that's that's an incredible story to me. It's like, hey, guys, 869 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,640 Speaker 1: big Foot was real. I mean, they're dead, but it 870 00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,920 Speaker 1: was real. But once upon a time. I wonder like 871 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,919 Speaker 1: how that kind of came into play and like influencing 872 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,839 Speaker 1: Bigfoot the legend, I think it helps propagated. I don't 873 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,040 Speaker 1: think it starts it, but I think when people hear 874 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,480 Speaker 1: about this, they're like, Okay, an animal like this is 875 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,960 Speaker 1: so it's not impossible. It's not impossible, which I mean 876 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,600 Speaker 1: there's a certain logic to that. I just personally think that, well, 877 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,520 Speaker 1: when we do find species that we think have been 878 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,359 Speaker 1: extinct but actually aren't, it's usually in places that are 879 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,520 Speaker 1: really hard to explore. So there was a tree kangaroo 880 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,719 Speaker 1: found I think in Indonesia in an area that was 881 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,200 Speaker 1: extremely remote, very difficult to explore, and that that was 882 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,719 Speaker 1: a case of a pretty large animal that we thought 883 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: had gone. It's not like huge tree kangaroos, about the 884 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,160 Speaker 1: size of a medium to large sized dog. Um, but 885 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 1: like it's uh, you know, it's a fairly meaty animals. 886 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,960 Speaker 1: Unlike like when a really small animal we think goes 887 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,719 Speaker 1: extinct and then it's like, oh, but we found this 888 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: insect over here, like that kind of makes more sense. 889 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,280 Speaker 1: But with a tree kinger, it's like, oh, that's really exciting. 890 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,080 Speaker 1: Um it's a specific species of tree care at all, 891 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,880 Speaker 1: we knew like other tree cares are still around, but um, 892 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,520 Speaker 1: but it's still really exciting. But in that case, it's 893 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,560 Speaker 1: like they're either really deep in the sea like Sela camps. 894 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,480 Speaker 1: Where are these deep sea fish that are kind of 895 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,880 Speaker 1: this like evolutionary throwback, um, that are like millions of 896 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,200 Speaker 1: years old in like they look it they there. Yeah, 897 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say, but they don't look great. They 898 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,479 Speaker 1: need a little lift, right, But you know they're deep, 899 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,040 Speaker 1: deep in the sea. So that's why we didn't realize 900 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,080 Speaker 1: they're still around. So like the idea that like some 901 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,400 Speaker 1: extinct gigantic Epithecus is just chilling out in the Appalachia, 902 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I want to I want to believe, 903 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,880 Speaker 1: I really, I'd be so pumped if it right, I 904 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,120 Speaker 1: would be so psyched. But the sheer size is like exciting. 905 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,880 Speaker 1: Maybe we could scrape off some of that DNA from 906 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,640 Speaker 1: the jaw clone. It gratically. Um. So before we go, 907 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,840 Speaker 1: you said there was a news item and oh, yes, okay. 908 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,520 Speaker 1: So my friend Dan Hernandez, who has guessed it on 909 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,480 Speaker 1: night call before with all of his crypto knowledge, his 910 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,239 Speaker 1: dad was like a cryptologist. I was like, damn. I 911 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,120 Speaker 1: thought my dad was cool, but this this is a 912 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,839 Speaker 1: very cool dad. Um. But he just sent us this 913 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,279 Speaker 1: link to I think I'm gonna actually find out what 914 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,520 Speaker 1: the website is called. It's like it's a crypto zoology, 915 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,920 Speaker 1: crypto mondo, very in festive crypto mondo. But it was 916 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,360 Speaker 1: this article about a cryptod called the Awful Uh and 917 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 1: it was described as looking like a griffin kind of 918 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,640 Speaker 1: with a long serpent's tail, wings that were I think 919 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:45,520 Speaker 1: ten ft each um and it would grab prey and 920 00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,239 Speaker 1: its talents. So people reported that someone had seen it 921 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,480 Speaker 1: and they thought it was holding like a baby's crying 922 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 1: baby in a talent. But then later they were like, 923 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:58,080 Speaker 1: maybe it was just a ship a doll. Yeah, maybe 924 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,839 Speaker 1: one of the baby alive love. But I think it 925 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,000 Speaker 1: was first discovered in n and H. P. Lovecraft was 926 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,680 Speaker 1: in Vermont, I think, visiting friends and he heard people 927 00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,440 Speaker 1: talking about this thing, and he said that from the 928 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,080 Speaker 1: way that they talked about it and their responses to it, 929 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,960 Speaker 1: he kind of believed it was real. And I think 930 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,879 Speaker 1: it was. One guy saw this thing, had a heart 931 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,120 Speaker 1: attack on the spot, had to be carried home and 932 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,160 Speaker 1: I in fashion and they're like and then he was 933 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,320 Speaker 1: carried home and like, where was the setting woods Woods 934 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,279 Speaker 1: of Vermont? I see interesting? Um. But then this this 935 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,200 Speaker 1: article that was on Crypto Mondo cited a newspaper article 936 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,799 Speaker 1: from two thousand six where a reader had written in 937 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,799 Speaker 1: I guess and said, I I saw this. Everyone will 938 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,920 Speaker 1: think I'm crazy, so I want to be anonymous. But 939 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,120 Speaker 1: I've seen one and I think they're real. Like I'm 940 00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,960 Speaker 1: usually a pretty skeptical person, but I believe this thing 941 00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,960 Speaker 1: is real. And it's called the awful. Um. I mean, 942 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,960 Speaker 1: there were real animals that existed that were like this, 943 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,520 Speaker 1: the parosaurs. Um. The that's so that's like pterodactyl Um, 944 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,839 Speaker 1: that's like the cat cats actalists. That's the giant one 945 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,000 Speaker 1: that's like the size of a giraft that was thought 946 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,120 Speaker 1: to be able to fly. Um so um. But I 947 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,239 Speaker 1: wonder if like these sightings, I don't know, this is 948 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,040 Speaker 1: just throwing it out there. And of course I'm not 949 00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,239 Speaker 1: sure exactly where these sightings are if this makes sense, 950 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,439 Speaker 1: but if it's like some kind of hawk that has 951 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,439 Speaker 1: caught a snake, because like and that would prey. Yeah, 952 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,839 Speaker 1: so predatory birds do prey on snakes and sometimes they 953 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,759 Speaker 1: actually wrestle and the sky um. And so it's like, 954 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,279 Speaker 1: I wonder if someone could see that and be like, 955 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,120 Speaker 1: that's a that's a big flying animal, and that would 956 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,960 Speaker 1: mess with you for a long time because it's it 957 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,000 Speaker 1: is like a strange thing to see, like the actual 958 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,759 Speaker 1: act flock wrestling with a snake. And if you're not 959 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,040 Speaker 1: expecting that, if you don't know about like hawks preying 960 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,120 Speaker 1: on snakes, and you see that, it's got like and 961 00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,759 Speaker 1: then you have this kind of cultural on understanding of 962 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,520 Speaker 1: like a griffin or like a monster. It's like that 963 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,799 Speaker 1: image will be interpreted by your brain as being like 964 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,839 Speaker 1: a griffin. Mom, Yeah, that's actually a really good call 965 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,160 Speaker 1: because I I initially thought a turkey vulture because I 966 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,279 Speaker 1: know that they kind of kick around up there and 967 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,840 Speaker 1: they're huge, like especially I think maybe just the way 968 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,080 Speaker 1: that they fly it looks it's very like dramatic working 969 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,000 Speaker 1: and they look big, but yeah, that they doesn't explain 970 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,600 Speaker 1: the tail well, but they could be it could be 971 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,920 Speaker 1: a turkey vulture holding like a dead lizard that yeah, 972 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,520 Speaker 1: and especially if it were like a lot but I 973 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,640 Speaker 1: guess like a lizard in Vermont, Like what kind of 974 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,879 Speaker 1: lizards happen. I mean, they do have snakes, right, snakes? Yeah, 975 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:42,360 Speaker 1: And and honestly, I think maybe like the giant Eastern salamander. 976 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,640 Speaker 1: Those are huge and like strange looking. Do you think 977 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,080 Speaker 1: a turkey vulture could pick one of those up? I think. 978 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,520 Speaker 1: I mean I've seen some really big turkey vultures I 979 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,240 Speaker 1: looked on because I that was like my first thought 980 00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:57,879 Speaker 1: was that it must be a turkey vulture. And then 981 00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,200 Speaker 1: but I mean, just like you said, when you see 982 00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,520 Speaker 1: an animal that it kind of like startles you in 983 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,319 Speaker 1: your mind, it's just automatically make it bigger than it is. 984 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,880 Speaker 1: So in my mind, I was like turkey vultures. And 985 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,919 Speaker 1: I mean, this has happened to me. So like when 986 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,279 Speaker 1: I was I was out walking my dog once and 987 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:18,400 Speaker 1: I saw this thing with glowing, bright yellow eyes and 988 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,120 Speaker 1: it was standing like a humanoid and it was like 989 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,720 Speaker 1: this furry thing that looked it was like I was 990 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,640 Speaker 1: just like my brain was like monster. Uh. And it 991 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,680 Speaker 1: didn't help that my dog was like growling at it 992 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,080 Speaker 1: because I was like, oh my god, it is a 993 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,280 Speaker 1: mom this is not It's like, oh my god, monsters 994 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,960 Speaker 1: are real. There was that moment where it was like, 995 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,680 Speaker 1: holy crap, like demons and monsters are real, because here's 996 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,480 Speaker 1: one like standing in front of me on its hind 997 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,640 Speaker 1: legs and then it like uh and it was like 998 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,120 Speaker 1: kind of making a weird noise like and it was 999 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:48,840 Speaker 1: like really freaking me out. And then it like it 1000 00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,160 Speaker 1: was it was it looked huge to me and it 1001 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:56,320 Speaker 1: got on its all fours. This is skunk. No, you're kidding. Yeah, 1002 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,000 Speaker 1: it was just a skunk that was like on its 1003 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,800 Speaker 1: hind legs for some reason, probably doably, you know, trying 1004 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,960 Speaker 1: to scope me out because it's like who is this? 1005 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,000 Speaker 1: Who is this person in her very angry, little tiny dart. 1006 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,840 Speaker 1: And the reason it looks so big, First of all, 1007 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,840 Speaker 1: skunks can appear quite big because they're very fluffy and 1008 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 1: they can kind of puff up. Yeah, they puff up. 1009 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,240 Speaker 1: And it was on an incline, so in my brain 1010 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,960 Speaker 1: I shortened the distance between us because it was so scary. 1011 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,720 Speaker 1: So it looked like I thought it was human sized, 1012 00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,240 Speaker 1: and then I realized, no, it's a skunk, and it's 1013 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,160 Speaker 1: normal skunk size. But it really like if I hadn't 1014 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,920 Speaker 1: gotten that verification that it was a skunk when it 1015 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,800 Speaker 1: like flopped down on its fours and I saw that 1016 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,800 Speaker 1: little white stripe. I mean, it's like been like, yeah, 1017 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,760 Speaker 1: I saw I saw a big foot. Yeah, total sasquata. 1018 00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,000 Speaker 1: And then like especially at night, and everything's creepy and 1019 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,600 Speaker 1: every like when your clothes piled in the corner of 1020 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,840 Speaker 1: your room at night look like some kind of evil 1021 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,720 Speaker 1: demon like with giant teeth and it's like a shirt 1022 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:57,240 Speaker 1: that's folded weird. Ye. Yeah, not that that's ever happened 1023 00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,720 Speaker 1: to me, of course, I'm not messy have um. Yeah, 1024 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,920 Speaker 1: it's I think I think you kind of like hit 1025 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,760 Speaker 1: the nail on the head when you talk about how 1026 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,440 Speaker 1: we're so surveiled and like we're there's nowhere to hide, 1027 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, and and also like so much knowledge is 1028 00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,200 Speaker 1: available to us and we have some little privacy that 1029 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,000 Speaker 1: I think there is something of wanting to believe in 1030 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,320 Speaker 1: animals that are so elusive and you know, kind of 1031 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,680 Speaker 1: leading the existence that we used to have more access 1032 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:30,560 Speaker 1: to I mean, one thing I think that should reassure 1033 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,360 Speaker 1: people is there are so many species of animals that 1034 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,120 Speaker 1: we have not discovered that exists deep under the water 1035 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,400 Speaker 1: and and I mean even in in forests and in rainforests, 1036 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,320 Speaker 1: especially because of the huge amount of biodiversity um. And 1037 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,120 Speaker 1: I think it's that mega fauna, which are like something 1038 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,880 Speaker 1: like a big foot, it's like a or like a 1039 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:57,160 Speaker 1: big cat that's like a cougar or something, or the mammoths. 1040 00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,959 Speaker 1: Those are harder to really. Like you, we we've sort 1041 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,200 Speaker 1: of run out of megafauna to discover. And I think 1042 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:08,360 Speaker 1: that those big, magnificent animals that oft too often go extinct, 1043 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,320 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's sad. And I think we want 1044 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,600 Speaker 1: we want there to be secret, like these big secret 1045 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,880 Speaker 1: animals like locknut monster in the big Foot, and I 1046 01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,520 Speaker 1: want that too. I just skeptical. Now we just have 1047 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,400 Speaker 1: to clone them. We do have to clone them. Let's 1048 01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,440 Speaker 1: clone a gigant Epithecus and then we got a big 1049 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,800 Speaker 1: foot and he's going to be super chill. Yeah what 1050 01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,840 Speaker 1: if he's like what if he's like super annoying. He's 1051 01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,400 Speaker 1: always like bogarding all the he does sound like a 1052 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,840 Speaker 1: frat guy, like maybe people are just seeing like really 1053 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,600 Speaker 1: confused stone fract. Guys, that's a big foot. Yes, yeah, 1054 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:51,280 Speaker 1: that's that's very insino man. Right, yeah, exactly. Well, so 1055 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,480 Speaker 1: you've got anything to plug you want to tell people 1056 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,080 Speaker 1: a little bit about the podcast and where. 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