1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Body times, but Joseph's gotten more. There's an old song 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: from the sixties, maybe it's the early seventies. Maybe Dave 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: can help us with that. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing. 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: When you're working a case, you have to have something right. 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: And in my world, in the world of death, investigation 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: that generally starts with a body, doesn't it, Because without 7 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: the body, what purpose do we actually serve? Why should 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: we even be there? Today we're going to talk about 9 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: a case that has been puzzling people now for years, 10 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: and I'm happy to say that we finally have a 11 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: resolution in said case. It's a case that I don't 12 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: know that we'll ever find what's referred to as the 13 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: Corpus Delecti, but what we do know is that the 14 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: war world is absent a mother and a wife and 15 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: a daughter. We're talking about the death, the homicide, the 16 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: dismemberment and subsequent disposal of Anna Walsh. I'm Josephcott Morgan 17 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: and this is Bodybacks, Dave. I got to tell you, 18 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: I think some time ago we did initially do a 19 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: show about this case, and it was puzzling then and 20 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: even though we we finally do have some kind of 21 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: conclusion here I think in one sense, I don't know 22 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: that this thing will ever be concluded to anyone satisfactor satisfaction. 23 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: I've always wondered how difficult it is. Now you mentioned 24 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: nothing from nothing by Billy Preston, number one, October nineteen 25 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: seventy four, just. 26 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: Talking, So y'all see, I told you, Dave, here we go. 27 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: I always wonder about a case where you don't have 28 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: the body of the purported victim. Now you have said 29 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: many times on this show and others that evidence left 30 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: behind is inconsistible, incompatible with life, and that is enough 31 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: to actually point the investigation in a certain way. Well, Joe, 32 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 2: we worked the case like that in terms of coverage 33 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: from the moment we started covering because she was a 34 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 2: missing person, and it was a very slick missing person. 35 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 2: Whenever the significant other does not report their loved one 36 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 2: as missing, but the boss does from work, you got 37 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: a problem, friends, and that's I think any of us 38 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: would understand. And that's what happened here. Brian Walsh did 39 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 2: not report his wife missing. His story made no sense, 40 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 2: you know. His initial story was that they had friends over, 41 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: unto your zeb Joe, and went to bed and she 42 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: got called away had to get up and catch an 43 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: early morning flight to head back to d C for 44 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: her job. And he said she used a ride share, 45 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: you know, uber or somebody came to picture up and 46 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: that's the last time he saw, you know. And just 47 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: so you know, if you volunteered that type of information, 48 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: it's all verifiable, every bit of it is. And even 49 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: though that story fell apart fairly quickly, his story, they 50 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: didn't have the body. They had evidence, they had plenty 51 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: of evidence, but they didn't have a body. And Brian 52 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: Walsh was arrested fairly early on in the investigation because 53 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: some of the evidence left behind, blood and whatnot was 54 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: incompatible with life. So, Joe, if you start a case 55 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: like that, a missing person case, where you're an investigator 56 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: and you're looking over this going there's no way this 57 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: person is alive, how can you truly say that when 58 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: you don't have the body? 59 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: Very difficult, very difficult. And I got to tell you 60 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: one of the things that it seems like a daunting 61 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: uphill task in this particular case, because this thing has 62 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: now gone to court and we do have a conclusion 63 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: that we'll talk about in a few moments. But one 64 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: of the things that was kind of you know, itching 65 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: in the back of my brain throughout this whole thing, 66 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: is how would the jury respond to this? Because I 67 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: got to tell you if you're if you TESTI find 68 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: a case and some of the stuff, as you can imagine, 69 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: gets dryest toast that you're having to listen to if 70 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: you're on a jury, all right, and just just follow 71 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying here. You know, you might have somebody 72 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: that's involved in financial dealings and you know, cooking the 73 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: books and all those sort of things. Forensic acounting, no 74 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: insult to my friends and forensic a County. You guys 75 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: do find fine work or even electronics DNA. I think 76 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: we saw that happen in multiple cases where you know, 77 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: the science gets way above everyone's head and the scientists 78 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: included myself included many times. But David, once you start 79 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: talking about dead bodies, it's like Yef Hutton. Everybody's on 80 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: the edge of their seat. They're leaning in every glory 81 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: picture everything that you have there. People want to know. 82 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: They want to know what you saw, what was the 83 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: status of what you saw when you saw it. They 84 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: want to know what happened to bring this person to 85 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: this end. They want to know what became of the person. 86 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: You know, you know, you picked them up from the 87 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: from the scene and went back to the Morga and 88 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: you did an autopsy and at the autopsy we found 89 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: this at the scene. But hey, this was verified in 90 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: the autopsy room. We've got all of this data right here. 91 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: Oh wow, look at these photographs, Look at these x rays. 92 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: Oh look, here's the bullet that we pulled out of 93 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: the body, or here's the fractured knife blade that we 94 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: pulled out of the body. You don't have that in 95 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: this case. You just don't. Essentially, what you have is 96 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: at the scene. You have some of the most ghastly 97 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: instruments that you can possibly think of that would make 98 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: the Marquis de Sad blush probably when you begin to 99 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: think about the tools that this man, Brian Walsh, apparently 100 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: brought to bear in this case. And I'll go ahead 101 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: and plainly say it, it's a case of dismemberment. 102 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: Well, Joe, okay, when we started this and it was 103 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: missing person case with a lot of evidence that she 104 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 2: was dead, and all of the investigation and everything that 105 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: led to his arrest was very quickly done by using 106 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: electronic data by a digital footprint that they were able 107 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: to actually find. They started with well verifying that there 108 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: was no ridecar service that picked her, uphair service showed 109 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: up to pick her up at you know, five thirty 110 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: in the morning or whatever. She never called for one, 111 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 2: never ordered one. She never boarded an airplane at Boston 112 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: to head to Washington, DC. All the things that would 113 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: have happened if what Brian Walsh was saying was true. 114 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: So police know from the first hours of the investigation 115 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: that he's lying. And yet we don't know where she is. 116 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: But we know she's been gone for a couple of 117 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: days because Brian Walsh doesn't report her missing, her boss does, 118 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: and that's a couple of days after she was last 119 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: seen on New Year's Eve. So backing up to him saying, well, yeah, 120 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: she left early five point thirty, you know, and they 121 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: proved that didn't happen. So now are they thinking that 122 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: between the time she was last seen New Year's Eve 123 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: until the time he says she got into a card 124 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: that never was there, that she didn't get into, that 125 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: she he did something to her in that time period. 126 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they have to, Dave. I mean, they're sitting 127 00:07:55,080 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: around reflectively I still have memories of us years and 128 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: years ago, myself and homicide detectives done in New Orleans. 129 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: There was a Denny's restaurant that we always gathered at 130 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: and we would go do brief at this big table 131 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: they had in the back of the restaurant, a big, 132 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: huge round table, and you can imagine us all sitting there. 133 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: I was the youngest among everybody, and we'd have our 134 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: notes all spread out on the table and we would 135 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: begin to formulate things, you know, and we'd spend hours, 136 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: you know, just chatting. Back there, they're doing the same thing. 137 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: They're having a cup of coffee over this, and you know, 138 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: you can imagine when all of these folks that are 139 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: investigators in this case are getting together, they're probably back 140 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: to the office or maybe at one of their favorite haunts, 141 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: and they're sitting down and said, we've got to work 142 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: this out in our brain because everything that we're being 143 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: told and everything that we are witnessing or not witnessing, 144 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: just does not marry up here. And we've got one 145 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: common denominator in this whole thing, and this is the husband. 146 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: And these people are seasoned enough, Dave to know that, 147 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, all roads lead back most of the time 148 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: to the person that you're sleeping with, that you're in 149 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: bed with. And I mean that from the sense of 150 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: those within you know, your circle, your familial circle, and 151 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: right then and there, you know, look that there's nowhere 152 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: let me see, let me think about this real quick. 153 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to get in trouble with Keimmy. I 154 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: think that there's My wife knows where I am pretty 155 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: much all the time. She knows if I'm back here 156 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: taping doing an only her pearance on some television show, 157 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: or if I'm teaching, or if I'm doing a dissection, 158 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: or if I'm i don't know, somewhere else promoting the 159 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: university or whatever. She knows because she kind of keeps 160 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: my schedule. This is you know, not every relationship is 161 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: like that. Obviously, you know people are just ships passing 162 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: the night and most of them, but you still have 163 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: to ask that basic question because you know, Dave, they're 164 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. There's three kids involved. 165 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: In this, yeah, and jo at the time. Okay, And 166 00:09:58,480 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: this is one of the things that we have to 167 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: very careful with, is, especially when you're dealing with children. 168 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: How old were they not today? But we're three years 169 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: past this now. This happened three years ago when Anna 170 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: Walsh was thirty nine and her husband was forty six, 171 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: and they had chill three boy children, ages two, four 172 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: and six years old home on the oldest was six 173 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: when this happened. They're now nine, seven and five. So 174 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: there's a big difference in those ages, you know. 175 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah there is. But you know those ages that 176 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: you mentioned initially when this event went down, My lord, 177 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: I know I'm preaching the choir here, but that's what 178 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: you would considered to be the handful age. Yeah, not 179 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: that they're not now, but this requires around the clock 180 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: monitoring of these children. How are they going to be 181 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: handed off? How are they going to be taken care of? 182 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: Who's minding the store if you will? And I know 183 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: that Ron Walsh was essentially out of work, yeah at 184 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: this point in time. Yeah, he's a criminal sin it's. 185 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: Not an art fraud. 186 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: The guy. 187 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: The thing is Joe. You know who he swindled out 188 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: of art friends? People who was friends. He swindled friends, 189 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 2: That's who. It was crazy, the non friends that he 190 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: tried to swindle. He was selling fake, fake pick fake paintings, 191 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: you know, and the fraud. The forgeries were so bad 192 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: that this one and a museum buying a painting on 193 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: you know, eBay, kind of pushes my limit for who's 194 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: running the store here. You know, you're talking thousands of 195 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: eight hundred thousand dollars and you're gonna use eBay. I 196 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: gotta have eyes on that first. But this one museum 197 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 2: that actually ordered a piece from him, when it arrived, 198 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 2: they were like, this is a fraud, diggabag And that 199 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: was one of the ones that he didn't know. 200 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: But well, you know, the thing about it, it sounds like 201 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: he's pushing primitive folk are has originated out of Mississippi 202 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: or Alabama or northern Louisiana or something. No and sault. 203 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: I love primitive folkal part. I'd love to see the 204 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: vibrance of it and everything Dave. He's trying to he's 205 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: trying to pawn off war war halls. Yeah, okay, which 206 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: to me, you know, I don't know if you're going 207 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: to go big, I guess go yeah, yeah, yeah, go big, 208 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: or go home or go to go to federal prison 209 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: one of the two. 210 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: Which that's what he was doing when he's waiting at 211 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: home to be sentenced on the fraud. He's a scammer. 212 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: The guy he's enough, you know what, and you know 213 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: what his wife was to think about. He grew up 214 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: in the lap of luxury. Just so you know, Brian 215 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 2: Walsh born and raised by rich family, rich heritage and 216 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 2: all that. I mean, the country clubs and the brand 217 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 2: new cars and the chauffeurs and all that. Anna was 218 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: an immigrant who actually began working as a chambermaid in 219 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 2: a hotel, you know, tournie, getting sheets, making beds. That's 220 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: how she started. And when she met Brian, she saw 221 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: him and by the way, she's not an idiot. She 222 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 2: immediately starts working man's She even changed careers. Okay, this 223 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: is a woman who was building herself up in the 224 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: hotel industry, builds herself up, builds herself up, then goes 225 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: gets the real estate license, continues building and she just 226 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 2: I mean, in ten years, she went from being an 227 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: immigrant changing bed sheets to being an executive worth hundreds 228 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars a year. Right, and she marries 229 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: this guy. She meets him early on where he's a 230 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: real catch. She's an immigrant chambermaid and he's the rich 231 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: country club guy. But she surpasses him and finds out 232 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: he's a fraud. Yeah, he was raised rich, but he's 233 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: not a rich himself. He hasn't made anything. He's in nothing. 234 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 2: He's a criminal. And by the time she realizes what 235 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 2: she has married and realized that he's a fraud. Do 236 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: you remember when Renes Elwiger sued that country music singer 237 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 2: for fraud. Yeah, in the divorce, that's what I was 238 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 2: thinking that Anna probably wanted to do. Anna had had 239 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 2: her fill of this guy. 240 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding, because she understood I think probably the 241 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: work that you have to put in to be successful. 242 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 1: And you know, it's I think that that kind of 243 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: success is all the more sweeter as opposed to these 244 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: things that have been handed us throughout our lives. But 245 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: this is what I know. I know that her life 246 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: changed in one second on the day that he realized 247 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: that his wife had now surpassed him in this life. 248 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: So the big mystery, Dave, I think, is where's Anna. 249 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: That's a question that early on was being asked. I mean, 250 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: that's that's the whole purpose of this. You know, we've 251 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: already got a scumbag that's waiting to be sentenced, you know, 252 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: for for art fraud. And we know that they're married. 253 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: But here's the thing, we don't know. We don't know 254 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: where she is. 255 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: January Coore. Her boss reports are missing. Okay, Joe if Jacksonville, 256 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: if let's say Kim worked at the grocery store, Yeah, 257 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: you're a Jsu. Her boss from the grocery store calls 258 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: the Jacksonville Police department. Hey, man, I can't find one 259 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: of our employees. She's not home, she's not here. We 260 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: don't know where she is. Can you help them, you know, 261 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: put a missing person's out. Oh sure. And the first 262 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: call they make is to you, Hey Joe, mister Jsu, 263 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 2: your wife's missing and her boss did you know about this? 264 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean to tell you that's what happened. 265 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: And so the day she's reported missing by her boss, 266 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: police call him in for an interview and he gives 267 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: him his spiel. You know that she copped a plane. 268 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: Well it's almost it's almost like improvisation, isn't it. I mean, somebody, 269 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: somebody gives you a bit of data and you take 270 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: that and you kind of begin to lead with it. 271 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Well this is actually what happened. Based 272 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: upon the earlier premise, that's. 273 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: Remember the lying guy on Saturday Night Line. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 274 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: Morgan Child. 275 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, John Lovets, Yeah, absolutely so. And man, you talk 276 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: about a uh, you know, a proverbial liar, that's what 277 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: you're talking about. You know. She was reported missing on 278 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: January the fourth. The police interview him same day. He's 279 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: interviewed again on the eighth, and he's arrested later that day. 280 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: Because you know, you can tell, you can kind of 281 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: sniff this out along the way that you know, what 282 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: he is putting out is stacked higher and deeper. 283 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: On January fourth, he gave him, he gave him a timetable, 284 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: he gave him a story, and they went and verified it. 285 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: They go back to January first. Okay, we've got we 286 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: were watching Walsh buying cleaning tools at Low's January third. 287 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: We catch him on video disposing of trash bags January 288 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: fourth and has reported missing. And he tells that first 289 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 2: story that we now have verified he didn't do any 290 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: of the Now he'd never reported her missing. He's buying 291 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: cleaning stuff and trash bags and we got on video 292 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 2: dumping stuff. So they bring it back in on the eighth. 293 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 2: So what about all this, dude? Why were you buying 294 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: so much cleaning stuff? And that's when he can't answer 295 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: anything and they lock him up. That's when you and 296 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: I started covering the case. 297 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, because the big the big question 298 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: then is still the big question. Now, where's where is she? 299 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: You know, what what became of her at this point 300 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: in time? And they know that, you know, trash bags 301 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 1: and some of her belongings are actually found at this 302 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: Peabody recycling center, you know. And these these are items 303 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: that are uniquely hers that you know, she has physical 304 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: ownership of, and so you can tie them back to her. Well, 305 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: why would she be separated from these items? And then 306 00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: you begin to understand that he's he has bought these 307 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: tools all the way back. This was like on New 308 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: Year's Day, I think when he actually bought these tools. 309 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he said she left. 310 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're rather peculiar set of tools, I got 311 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: to tell you, you know, so what what was it that 312 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: made you want to pick up a hack saw and 313 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: a hatchet? And Joe? 314 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: They also found searches on the computer, you know, and 315 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 2: he's he's searching out things like how long before a 316 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: dead body starts to stink? The best ways to dismember 317 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 2: a body. I mean things that, to be honest with you, Joe, 318 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 2: if I googled them for a story, would look bad 319 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 2: if that happened to my wife. But he didn't have that. 320 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: Can yeah, let me let me address one point along 321 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: the way. One of the searches that really disturbed me 322 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: down to my core. One of those elements I can't 323 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: believe I'm actually going to say this, and I'm not 324 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: going to get it right. I know that I'm not. 325 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: Maybe you can correct me. But one of the things 326 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: he searched for was can a body be identified with 327 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: the teeth being you know, destroyed essentially? And I'm thinking, 328 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: in what universe are you operating that that would even 329 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: be something that you would be searching out. It's dumbfounding 330 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: because let me and just give me a little rope here, 331 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: because I got to tell you, please, when you think 332 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: about somebody that would exact just based upon the search, 333 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: the search history, those kinds of level of violence on 334 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: a body, the body of perhaps the mother of his 335 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: own children, the person he is shared a bed with, 336 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: person he has shared finances with, they've gone on family vacations. 337 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: Just imagine, if you will, what type of individual would 338 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: sit there and stand over a body and think, you 339 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: know this mouth that probably told me, you know that 340 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: she loved me. At one point time, those words issued 341 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: out from I shared a meal with Maybe I dipped 342 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: up a little food off of my plate in those 343 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: early days fed her. You saw those teeth, and you're thinking, okay, 344 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: what if I took what if I took a hatchet 345 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: or a chisel and I began to crack this teeth? 346 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: What kind of person does this and break the teeth off? 347 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: I want to know, Hey, can the people in the 348 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: forensic science division, it's a state you think they could 349 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: still take this teeth and identify her if I did 350 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: one by one, assuming she's got all of her teeth day, Okay, 351 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: let's just assume that that would be thirty two individual 352 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: teeth that he would have to shatter. What are you 353 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: going to do do to shatter them? Are you going 354 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: to extract them first and then shatter them? Are you 355 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: going to leave them in place and then brutalize her mouth? What? 356 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: You know? Just just paint us a picture here, Bry, 357 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: you know, to let us know what you're thinking about. 358 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: And you know, I got to say, Dave, that sick. Yeah, 359 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: it really is sick. And you know when I read that, initially, 360 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: I was thinking this guy is working on and operating 361 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: on a different plane right than everybody else. You know, 362 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: there are serial killers out there that probably are more 363 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: mannerly than this. Wow, because when you think about this, 364 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: he's literally trying to completely deconstruct her on every level. 365 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: This isn't just like about taking a handoff or taking 366 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: an arm off its shoulder, or the leg off at 367 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: the knee or something like. That's not what we're talking 368 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: about here. We're talking about total and complete destruction of 369 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: a body. Eradication if you will. You know, this get's 370 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: really dark. 371 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: With having all of that evidence show, Okay, with all 372 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 2: of the searches and these thoughts and things. And again 373 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: now you've got interview number one, January fourth, hating you 374 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 2: report your wife missing and telling a story that they 375 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: then can verify. And on January eight, four days later, 376 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,479 Speaker 2: they verified everything he told them was a lie and 377 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: they now believe he has killed his wife, arrest him. 378 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 2: Brian Walsh has arrested on January eighth. From there on, 379 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 2: he's locked into his story that she left, right, that's 380 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 2: his story, and he's sticking to it because can't change it. 381 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: You gave your official story to cops. A defense attorney 382 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: comes into play. The defense attorney has what's called discovery. 383 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: They can find out everything the prosecution has. And after 384 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: they find out all of this information, you've got to 385 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: change your story because that story I told can be 386 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: proved wrong. Day one, what story can I tell? And Joe, 387 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: what story is believable? Well, no, not believable. The story 388 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: he came up with to explain everything. I'm not gonna 389 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: say it's brilliant because it's evil. But this is the 390 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 2: reason that some of the defense attorneys get a bad 391 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 2: rep because it takes a really twisted, messed up mind 392 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: to create something like this as a defense. 393 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, when Dave I got to tell you, I was 394 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: sitting there and my phone went off. I guess it 395 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: was let's see today, thinking back, trying to get my 396 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: day straight. Last week, the day of opening of openings 397 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: when they did the opening arguments, actually my phone actually 398 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 1: rang and it was a friend of mine that's a broadcaster, 399 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: and they said, are you watching the opening statements of washing? 400 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: It's like, I don't even have time to figure out 401 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: what time of day it is. Right now, I'm not 402 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: sitting here watching, said you need to tune in and 403 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: listen to this. And friends, I got to tell you, 404 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: when I heard what the defense attorney was putting up 405 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: and trying to sell to this court, to these members 406 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: of the jury, it really gave me pause because I'm thinking, 407 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: not only are we not going to have a body, 408 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: but now we're going to have an explanation that cannot 409 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: be proven or disproven about what actually happened. So Dave, 410 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: I get this phone call, you know, earlier in the 411 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: week or last week when they were doing the opening 412 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: statements relative to the Wash case, and his friend of 413 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: mine said, are you you know, are you paying attention 414 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: to this? And I was like, no, well, what's going on? 415 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: I got tons of other stuff that's going on at 416 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: that moment in Tom said you need to tune in 417 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: a watch, and there before my eyes, the defense attorney 418 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: for Walsh is actually presenting this story and it kind 419 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: of sent a chill up my spine because I'm thinking, 420 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: my lord, there's no way to prove or disprove this. 421 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: This this man may have found the perfect get out 422 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: of jail card free, you know kind of thing going on. 423 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: And what he was proposing. It's weird. You can reinforce 424 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: a fallacy, I think by stating a little bit of truth. 425 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: And what he's saying is that Walsh actually actually admits 426 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: that he, you know, that he dismembered his wife's body, 427 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 1: and that yes, he did dispose of his wife's body, 428 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: but he had nothing to do with her her homicide 429 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: or her death. He's not saying homicide as a matter 430 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: of fact, Jesse, the opposite. He's actually implying that his 431 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: wife died of something that we refer to in forensic 432 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: circles as sudden adult death syndrome. It's kind of akin 433 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: to SIDS, if you will. There's no real rhyme or 434 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: reason why it happens. My old friend, doctor Parker, that 435 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: I used to work with, the old pathologist, he would say, 436 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, simply God called. And that's what he's trying 437 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: to say here. And here's kind of the underpinning relative 438 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: to the logic here. Walsh, through his attorney, is essentially saying, 439 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to spare my kids the horror of their 440 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: mother's death. So what I thought I'd do is, I 441 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: don't know, chop up into bits, throw away in various 442 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: garbage receptacles, and they would just think, I guess that 443 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: mommy just disappeared. She was taken away by the angels, 444 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: or she vanished and she's living another life. But I'm 445 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: not going to tell them that she died. And the 446 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: problem is it goes back to the earlier issue. You 447 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: don't have a body, so you can't say that this 448 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: is specifically the cause of death. All right, I will 449 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: tell you this. What's really interesting about that scene is 450 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: that there was blood at the scene, but the blood 451 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: that you had had seen. They did very thorough searches there. 452 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: They didn't really they couldn't find any blood scene that 453 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: had a lot of dynamicism to it, you know, like 454 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: it sprayed or cast off or anything like that. Know, 455 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: the blood I think that they were seeing there was 456 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 1: kind of transfer blood, maybe leakage, you know, from areas 457 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: where she had been dismembered. And of course, you know 458 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: with kind of cast off blood or this blood that 459 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: has some velocity to it, you're thinking, okay, this is 460 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: a weapon induced kind of event. All right, they didn't 461 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,239 Speaker 1: have that. It allows you know, for me, when I'm 462 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: thinking about this, she's not a real robust woman. It 463 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: would take nothing to suffocate her, to smother her, or 464 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: to strangle her. And guess what with those methodologies you 465 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: ain't know leaving no blood behind, dude, there's not gonna 466 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: be anything there. And so it's I'm not saying it's 467 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: the perfect crime, but what I'm saying is if you 468 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: try to go down this road of logic with the 469 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: attorney and I think, look, I mean, I'm not blaming 470 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: the attorney. The attorneys are going to attorney as they 471 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: say this is he's doing his job. As much as 472 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: you might dislike it. That's what they do. And they're 473 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: trying to come up with something else, some other explanation, 474 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, they've jurors. They 475 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: want to see images of dead bodies, not because they're grules, 476 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 1: but they want to see proof because what they're being 477 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: asked to do is they're being asked to send this 478 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: guy away for life, and if they're going to pull 479 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: the trigger on that, no pun intended, they want to 480 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: make sure that what they're going to come up with 481 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: is going to be valid, all right, So they want 482 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: to understand. They want to have the guy with all 483 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: the letters after his name sit up there and say 484 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: this is definitively what killed her. They don't have that 485 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: in this case, man. 486 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: And that's the part that from a defense standpoint, it 487 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 2: really did raise the hairs on the back of my 488 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 2: neck when you told me, because he changes his plea. 489 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 2: You know, his original story was, of course that she 490 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 2: got in the car and left. You know, once he 491 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: finds out all the evidence, then he changes his plea 492 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: admitting that, yeah, I searched all that stuff, but with 493 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 2: good reason because as a convicted felon who is awaiting 494 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: sentencing on the art forgery, I'm going to lose custody 495 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 2: of my children and they aren't going to have a 496 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: mother now, They're going to be parentless. You know what's 497 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 2: going to happen to these three children now that their 498 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: mother is dead? And I'm going to go to prison. 499 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: So that's that's the crazy idea behind it. Is It 500 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 2: sounded legitimate if you if you take your brain out 501 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: of your head and all the common sense you gather 502 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 2: over a lifetime, you throw all that away and you 503 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: just start with a blank sheet of paper and no history, 504 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 2: no future, and just write it down and say, Okay, 505 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 2: I guess that could happen. But thankfully thankfully. Yeah, I 506 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 2: don't know how. I don't know how you can just 507 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: come up with sudden adult death syndrome at this stage 508 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: of the game. 509 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: I don't either, you know what I was kind of 510 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: hoping for, David. I got to tell you when I 511 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: heard this, you know, my brainiac portion kind of kicked in. 512 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this is gonna be cool, because 513 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: if he says this, this means that the defense attorney, 514 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: the defense is probably going to get a cardio pulmonary person, 515 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: maybe a forensic pathologist, but probably a cardiopulmonary person, and 516 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: they're going to put them up on the stand and 517 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: we're going to hear all about you know, sudden adult 518 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: death syndrome and how it can just you know, it 519 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: can just happen, and they're going to try to explain 520 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: to the jury. Dave, they didn't put up one damn 521 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: witness for the defense in this case. I was I 522 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: was shocked, I really was. I mean, they just they 523 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: kind of clipped it off right there, and that was it, 524 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, I guess because and listen, I have to 525 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: say this, the prosecution of state actually put the put 526 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: a forensic pathologist up there and ask them questions. But still, 527 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,479 Speaker 1: you know, what are you going to ask this person? 528 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: You know, is that blood? Is that consistent with someone 529 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: having been killed or dismembered? Well, dismembered. Maybe I can't 530 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: say killed, but yes, I suspect the. 531 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 2: Guy, the guy sitting at the table admitted it. Yeah, 532 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 2: I got her up. I did it. I destroyed her body. 533 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 2: I did, but with good reason. I was protecting my 534 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: children precisely. 535 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: And I guess that they were really going to try 536 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: to lean into this idea with the jury. You know, 537 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: he's you know, he's seeing the errors of his ways. 538 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: He's trying to correct this thing right now. And oh, 539 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: the poor man. Now he's staring down a federal you know, 540 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: federal sentencing and these children are going to be motherless, 541 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: and what he's got a black cloud hanging over his head, 542 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: and she just you know, again, the angels took her 543 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: away in the middle of the night. Wow. And they're 544 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: going to try to lean into that to convince the 545 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: jury to say, get this guy off the hook. He's 546 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: got enough on him already. And Dave, they had two 547 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: choices here, I got to tell you, Kim, and Kim 548 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: was really into this case. My wife, and for good reason, 549 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: she's a mother, you know, and she's you know, of 550 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: course she's like anybody that's a true crime fan. Uh. 551 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of a I hate say joke, 552 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: but it's kind of a running joke. You know, they've 553 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: got T shirts at crime con that says I think 554 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: it says the husband did it, or that sort of thing. 555 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 2: And those are probably the Oxygen Network or Lifetime Network 556 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: t shirts, you know, precisely. Heck, you know, every time 557 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 2: I watch one of those movies, I call the cops 558 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 2: locally and say, I did it come again? 559 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: And you know, she's saying, that's come back. He's got 560 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: little kids, you know, and that sort of thing, and 561 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: I know that he did it. And you know what's 562 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: really interesting is that they had a they've the jury 563 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: had a choice in this case between murder one and 564 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: murder two. Brother, I got to tell you. I'll let 565 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: you talk about sentencing, but I got to tell you, 566 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: I just got to say it. They found this guy 567 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: guilty of murder one, which is the stiffest thing that 568 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: you can get for this jurisdiction. And the fact that 569 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: they found murder one, those bits of evidence that were 570 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: there at that particular time that they saw there so 571 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: compel them to reach this conclusion that he in fact 572 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: did kill his wife, and that he did, in fact, 573 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: as he has stated, chop her up, dismember her body, 574 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: take her and place her in trash receptacles all over 575 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: that community, had trash trucks come by and haul her 576 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: body away. He admitted that, and they believed. They believed 577 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: that that, coupled with her passing, was one of the 578 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: most horrific things from their perspective, because you know, if 579 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: a man will do that to his wife in death, 580 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: how much more so would he do in life. I'm 581 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is bodybags