1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. They say it's the 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Daybreak. 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 2: Youurate podcast available every morning on Apple, Spotify or wherever 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: you listen. It's Thursday, the twenty second of August in London. 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: I'm Stephen Carroll coming up today. Exclusive reporting finds some 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: banks got crucial US jobs data first after the report's 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: publication was delayed. Tim Walls delivers a pep talk for 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: enthusiastic Democrats as he accepts the party's nomination for vice president. 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 2: And we have a special report on the shadow fleet 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: of tankers ferrying Russia's oil through the Baltic as concerns 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: grow over ships dubbed piles of junk. Let's start with 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: a round up of our top stories. Crucial US job 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: data was released to some banks half an hour before 14 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 2: the official publication yesterday. The incident has added to questions 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: over the procedures for releasing some of the world's most 16 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: sensitive economic information. Bloombergs tiwa at a Bio has more. 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 3: The euro of Labour Statistics was due to post the 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 3: highly anticipated revised payrolls data at ten am New York time, 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 3: but while many on Wall Street were left refreshing the 20 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 3: web page for another thirty minutes. Bloomberg has learned that 21 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: at least three banks, Mizuho, BNP, Pariber and Namura were 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: able to get the numbers from the government agency by phone. 23 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 3: When the data was finally released, it showed the steepest 24 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: markdown since two thousand and nine, sparking a rally in 25 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: stocks and bonds. The incident has sparked outrage among some 26 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 3: market participants, and comes after another mishap in May, when 27 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: the BLS inadvertently published inflation data thirty minutes early. In response, 28 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 3: the agency told Bloomberg that it was reviewing its procedures 29 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: in London. To te were added Bayo Bloomberg. 30 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: Radio minutes of the latest Federal Reserve meetings show several 31 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: officials saw a case for a rate cut in July. 32 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: The vast majority view day September reduction is more appropriate, 33 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: demonstrated by the unanimous vote to keep borrowing cast stead 34 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: at the last meeting, but some policymakers observed that inflation 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: progress and unemployment increases provided a plausible case for a 36 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: twenty five basis point move last month. Bloomberg's economics editor 37 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: Michael McKee says there's still some divergence among officials. 38 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 4: You've got some people who were suggesting they wanted to wait, 39 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 4: like Raphae al Bastik, who has now said he's open 40 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 4: to cutting rates in September. In that case, it's probably 41 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 4: going to be the August jobs report that we get 42 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 4: at the beginning of next month that will make the 43 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 4: decision for them of how much they cut. It does 44 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 4: look like they are on track to cut. 45 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: That's memberg's Mike McKee speaking there. 46 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 2: Feed Charter Own pials due to speak about the economic 47 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: outlook at the Center Bank Symposium in Jackson Hole, Wyoming tomorrow. 48 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Wallas used his speech at 49 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: the party's convention to appeal to swing state voters. Speaking 50 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: in Chicago, was introduced himself to the nation as a teacher, 51 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 2: coach and a veteran with bipartisan credentials and leaning heavily 52 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 2: into a message of freedom and service. He made a 53 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: clear pitch two undecided voters. 54 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 5: That family down the road. They may not think like 55 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 5: you do, they may not pray like you do, they 56 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 5: may not love like you do, but they're your neighbors 57 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 5: and you look out for them, and they look out 58 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 5: for you, everybody belong and everybody has a responsibility to contribute. 59 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 5: For me, it was serving in the Army National Guard. 60 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 5: I joined up two days after my seventeenth birthday, and 61 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 5: I proudly wore our nation's uniform for twenty four years. 62 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: Wells's comments on his military service come as Republican sees 63 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: on the suggestion that the Minnesota governor overstated elements of 64 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: his records while in the National Guard. Current Vice President 65 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris will close out the Democratic National Convention tonight, 66 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: as poles continue to show a tight race for the 67 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: White House between her and former President Donald Trump. Four 68 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: bodies have been found by divers searching the wreckage of 69 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: Mike Lynch's yacht Entrepreneur, and five others are missing, with 70 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: authorities saying they were likely trapped and died inside the 71 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: vessel off the coast of Sicily. Marine investigator James Wilkes 72 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: says the fifty meter depth makes any diving very hard. 73 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 6: It's beyond scuba depts, so we understand that the dives 74 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 6: have got a very limited amount of bottom time in 75 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 6: which to work something around ten minutes, and if there 76 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 6: are blocks to passageways, there are things getting in the 77 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 6: way of the divers doing their job. Then you know 78 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 6: they're going to have to risk assess every single dive 79 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 6: before they go down. 80 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: Marine investigator James Wilkes. Their Italian prosecutors are investigating how 81 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,679 Speaker 2: the art, which was built to withstand hurricanes, sank within minutes. 82 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: Norway's vast natural gas industry is about to start its 83 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: annual repair season right as prices see intense volatility. Country 84 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 2: has grown to supply thirty percent of the continent's LNG, 85 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: so the three week stop will see Europe go without 86 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: the gas that would fuel a country size of Italy 87 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: or France. Some traders are bracing for a perfect storm 88 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: where an escalation in the Middle East and Ukraine's incurtain 89 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 2: into Russia mean multiple other sources of gas disappear and 90 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: PWC's China unit is expected to be given a six 91 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: month ban from operating in the country. Bloomberg has learned 92 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: the decision is expected within weeks as part of a 93 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 2: punishment over its audit of failed property giant Evergrand. If 94 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: the penalty is handed down, it's expected to stop China 95 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 2: PwC from signing off on financial results, restructurings and initial 96 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: public offerings. More than thirty publicly tested mainland firms of 97 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: dropped PwC as their auditor this year after scrutiny of 98 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 2: its role at Evergrand. 99 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: The company has declined to comment. 100 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 7: Well. 101 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: In a moment, we'll bring you more details on how 102 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: some banks got early access to the US jobs data, 103 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: plus why Nordic and Baltic countries are worried about the 104 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: shadow fleet transporting Russian oil. But first, I've been reading 105 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 2: the latest Top Shelf Society drinkslet letter from our colleagues, 106 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 2: who this week are looking at a celebrity backed whiskey. 107 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 2: But not just any celebrity. It's Beyonce's take on American 108 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: rye so she's part of at lvmh on Sir Davis, 109 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: named after her great grandfather, and our reviewer Brad Jaffe 110 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 2: is impressed. 111 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: I didn't know this appartly. 112 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: Beyonce's loves high end whiskey, so she had a very 113 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: specific idea of how she wanted this one to taste 114 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 2: as a cross apparently between a scott and a Japanese 115 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: single malt. So Brad is impressed, and he does if 116 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: you're interested to take a quick review of some other 117 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: celebrity indoor drinks and how they didn't go down quite so. Well, 118 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 2: you'll find the full piece on Bloomberg dot com and 119 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: on the terminal. Well, that's bringing more now in our 120 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: top story, how at least three banks managed to obtain 121 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: US payrolls data before the rest of Wall Street Our 122 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: markets live stratt as Mary Nicola joins us now for more. Mary, 123 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: great to have you with us. How significant is it 124 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: that this data release appears to have gone to some firms? 125 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 8: First, Yeah, it does create a bit of an uneven 126 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 8: playing field, unfair advantage, especially when you're talking about free 127 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 8: and available data in a free market. So obviously we 128 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 8: know that information is absolutely key and should be equally 129 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 8: available to everyone. So that but you know, as mentioned 130 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 8: in the reports as well, it shouldn't come as a 131 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 8: surprise given the series of recent mishaps that we saw, 132 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 8: especially with the reporting of CPI data thirty minutes ahead 133 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 8: of its release back in May. And then you also 134 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 8: had the BLS commenting answering inquiries from Wall Street firms 135 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 8: the month before. Just shows a little bit leaning towards 136 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 8: incompetence there. 137 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: What has the BLS said about this incident? 138 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 8: So it does look like they've apologized, and obviously because 139 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 8: the integrity of the data releases and of course the 140 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 8: impact that it can have on markets is absolutely critical, right, 141 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 8: So that's going to be consistent in terms of how 142 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 8: they try and figure this out. And of course there's 143 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 8: going to be a lot more pressure from Wall Street 144 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 8: firms that this doesn't happen again, so they will have 145 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 8: to step up their game a lot more. 146 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 9: So. 147 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: It was, in the end, a big revision in this 148 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: number that had been so keenly awaited. What was the 149 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 2: reaction on markets to us? 150 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 8: Yeah, so, I mean, obviously there was a big revision, 151 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 8: and everyone's focused now on the labor market because that's 152 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 8: going to be basically the straw that breaks the camel's 153 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 8: back when it comes to the FED cutting interest rates. 154 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 8: So when you see such a downward revision, you realize 155 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 8: that there are cracks within the labor market, and these 156 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 8: cracks in the labor market are going to lead the 157 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 8: FED FED to start easing. And we already saw in 158 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 8: the FOMC minutes that there was a bias with some 159 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 8: of the members to cut in July. This just adds 160 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 8: fuel to the fire that September becomes almost a guarantee. 161 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course those minutes had been very interesting to 162 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: parse the detail of because although there was a unanimous 163 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: vote to hold at the last meeting, as you say, 164 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: some doubts creeping in from some pop makers, but whether 165 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 2: they could have actually cut in July as well. Mary, 166 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: This is all bringing us towards hearing from Jerome Powell 167 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: at Jackson Hole. Bloomberg's going to be speaking to a 168 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: range of FOMC policymakers over the next couple of days 169 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 2: as well. What are sort of the key questions that 170 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: we want to get answers from them on now. 171 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 8: Yeah, and it really will come down to the employment 172 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 8: Employment report and there what the view is of the 173 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 8: labor market. We always have to go back to what 174 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 8: is the dual mandate of the FED, and the dual 175 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 8: mandate of the Fed is still both inflation and the 176 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 8: labor market. Inflation is showing signs of easing, but it's 177 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 8: the cracks in the labor market that is starting to 178 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 8: worry a lot of the some of the members of 179 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 8: the FOMC, which we heard that they are concerned about 180 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 8: the labor market. So it's a lot of what's happens 181 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 8: next and the size of the rate cuts and how 182 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 8: aggressive the FED is going to be will be dependent 183 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 8: on the labor market report in the upcoming months. My 184 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 8: would be because there are still members within the FOMC 185 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 8: who would like to take a more cautious approach and 186 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 8: who are concerned about inflation and they don't want to 187 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 8: reneg Let's say they start cutting and then they have 188 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 8: to pair back and hike again. I think what you 189 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 8: start getting is a more cautious approach. So a twenty 190 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 8: five basis point cut in September rather than a supercize 191 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 8: cut in line with what the market was expecting. 192 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: How does that play out on markets? 193 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: I mean, do they end up getting very disappointed if 194 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: we only get twenty five basis points given the massive 195 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: swings we've had in terms of bets on what the 196 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: Fed's going to do in September. 197 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean we've had these sways in the market 198 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 8: before and then the repricing as well, so we've moved 199 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 8: from nearly fifty basis points of cuts to about thirty 200 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 8: basis points of cuts in the market now for September, 201 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 8: and really it's about how aggressive the FED goes thereafter, 202 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 8: because the market is pricing in quite aggressive cuts over 203 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 8: the next few months, and that's going to again be 204 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 8: very dependent on what happens in the labor market and 205 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 8: how things unfold there, but they will have But remember, 206 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 8: just much like what we're seeing in the rest of 207 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 8: the G tens. Amongst G ten central banks, they're taking 208 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 8: on a more cautious approach where they're saying we're going 209 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 8: to cut first, and none of them really have. In 210 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 8: terms of let's say the ECB, the BOE. Inflation isn't 211 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 8: in line with their target, but yet they've started cutting, 212 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 8: and I think that's a lot of it is indicative 213 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 8: of the fact that they don't need to have policy 214 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,599 Speaker 8: as restrictive as it was, But inflation is still a 215 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 8: little bit sticky. Take for example, in the UK where 216 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 8: services inflation is still high, and they're going to still 217 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 8: be cautious in the US as well in case you know, 218 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 8: some pockets of inflation still remain a little bit sticky. 219 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 8: So I think going forward it really will depend on 220 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 8: just how how bad or how the the labor market 221 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 8: unfolds and how and because because we have to, the 222 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 8: FED really wants to ensure a soft landing. 223 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 2: Okay, Mary Nicola, our market's live Macrostrastus. Thank you very 224 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 2: much for joining US now. Officials and environmental organizations in 225 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: Nordic and Baltic countries are raising the alarm over a 226 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: growing shadow fleet that's helping to transport Russian oil to 227 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: global markets. Joining US now for more details. Our Copenhagen 228 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: reporter Sana Vas Sana, great to have you with us 229 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: on the program. Can you remind us, first of all, 230 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: what the shadow fleet is and why has it got 231 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: people worried? 232 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, good morning all. The shadow fleet. 233 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 10: It consists of hundreds of tankers that Russia has assembled 234 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 10: in response to sanctions and as you say, helps to 235 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 10: keep Russia all flowing. 236 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 7: So they're mostly all vessels. 237 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 10: They often have undeclared owners and questionable insurance, and then 238 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 10: they sail on the flags of countries with poor safety records, 239 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 10: so it means that there are huge question marks around 240 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 10: whether they meet safety standouts and also whether anyone could 241 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 10: be held accountable if an accident were to happen. 242 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 7: So of course this has gotten. 243 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 10: People worried because well, in part because the oil revenues 244 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 10: helped to fund Russia's war in Ukraine, but there's also 245 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 10: this growing worry from officials and environmental organizations that the 246 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 10: rise of the shadow fleet could at some point result 247 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 10: in an accident and a potential oil spill because of 248 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 10: the age and poor. 249 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 7: Condition of these ships. 250 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 10: And that's especially big worry in the Baltic Sea, where 251 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 10: every day these tankers move Russian all through what is 252 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 10: very very shallow sea. 253 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 7: And one that's very vulnerable to human impact. 254 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been reporting about the concerns in Denmark and 255 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 2: all of this. Why is Denmark such a key part 256 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: of this story. 257 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, Denmark. 258 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 10: It's basically a transit point for when ships have loaded 259 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 10: crude in Russia and they want to exit the Baltic Sea, 260 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 10: they have to sail through these very narrow straits, which 261 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 10: are Danish territorial waters. So some critics believe that Denmark 262 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 10: should be doing more to block these tankers in transit, 263 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 10: or at the very least demand that they have. 264 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 7: A proper insurance. 265 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 10: Denmark, on the other hand, has been quite clear that 266 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 10: it won't do anything on its own. So back in 267 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 10: the nineteenth century they signed a treaty where the Danes 268 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 10: committed to allow free passage through its waters, and this 269 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 10: authority say prevents them from intervening in any traffic going through. 270 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 10: And even if theoretically Denmark could make demands on ships 271 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 10: for environmental reasons, it would be practically impossible for it 272 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 10: to enforce. And Denmark also risks triggering some form of 273 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 10: retaliation from Russia. So there's really very little that the 274 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 10: Danish government can do on its own. 275 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: The you've booke and some of the people who have 276 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: been on board these tankers, who are they and what 277 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: have they told you? 278 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 10: Yeah, and now I said, there's very little Denmark can 279 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 10: do on its own. But one thing that it is 280 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 10: doing is to offer pilotash in transit. So Danish state 281 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 10: pilots they bought these ships once they near the Danish 282 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 10: waters and they help navigate the. 283 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 7: Ships through the straits. 284 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 10: So for this for our latest feach to I spoke 285 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 10: to several of these pilots. It's it's really quite a 286 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 10: fascinating jobs and a job and they get a front 287 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 10: row view of Moscow's floating all economy nearly every day 288 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 10: they go to work and they paint a picture of 289 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 10: poorly maintained vessels. Some struggle with outdated maps and very 290 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 10: old equipment, and they also report filthy living conditions and 291 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 10: crew that's often poorly trained. But what's even worse is 292 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 10: that many of the Russian Shadow Fleet tankers they refuse 293 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 10: this pal attached. 294 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 7: They don't have to accept it. 295 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 10: So my sources, the pilots, they might not even have 296 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 10: seen the worst of it. And the fact that many 297 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 10: ships go through Denmark unassisted, that is increasingly worrying because 298 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 10: the route is very difficult for those unfamiliar with it, 299 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 10: and of course that's increasing the risk of an accident happening, 300 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 10: and we've already seen a collision happening earlier this year, 301 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 10: so that is a major warrior at the moment. 302 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 303 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 304 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 9: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, Spotify, 305 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 9: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 306 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 2: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 307 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 308 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 9: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 309 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 9: Amazon Alexa devices. 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