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Speaker 1: Hello Texans, Welcome to the show. So great to have

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Speaker 1: you along for the ride home or wherever you are

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Speaker 1: going this evening, or if you're listening on the podcast

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Speaker 1: Walking the Dog like I do sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Great to have you along.

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Speaker 1: Mark vandermir, John Harris, and the General the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Famer John McClay joined us today. Yes, and we were

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Speaker 1: all at OTA's Day one on Wednesday. There'll be another

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Speaker 1: practice on Friday that had one today, and we'll be

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Speaker 1: talking about as much Texans practice as we possibly can,

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Speaker 1: because I know John McClain loves talking about practice in May. John,

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Speaker 1: am I accurate?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I tell you.

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Speaker 4: I remember one year and I'm sure you guys will

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Speaker 4: remember this, when the Texans missed the playoffs by game.

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Speaker 4: I think kobiek was the coach, and I remember afterward

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Speaker 4: all the players who said, Man, if we'd just done

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Speaker 4: better in OTAs, we would have won this game and

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Speaker 4: made the playoffs. If we just hadn't had those guys

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Speaker 4: missed the OTAs, we would have made the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Thank a.

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Speaker 4: Having many times you've heard players and coaches say, if

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Speaker 4: we've just done better in OTAs or we made the playoffs,

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Speaker 4: we won the Super Bowl, and boy we got off

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Speaker 4: to a great start in the OTAs. We have never

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Speaker 4: heard anybody say that at any time, make any reference

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Speaker 4: to the OTAs or the off season program. Of course,

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Speaker 4: we'll hear things like, well, I noticed the way back

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Speaker 4: in training camp how well this white rookie did, and

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Speaker 4: thought he might have a chance to be a starter.

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Speaker 4: And no, he turned out to be pretty good, especially

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Speaker 4: in that playoff win.

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Speaker 3: You'll hear that talking.

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Speaker 4: About maybe preseason, but you never hear anybody say, man,

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Speaker 4: he was great in the mandatory mini camp. I think's

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Speaker 4: why why he had such a good season. So the

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Speaker 4: fact is it's good. But can you take anything away

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Speaker 4: from it? Yeah you can right now. But in the

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Speaker 4: whole scheme of things, sorry to make o it doesn't

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Speaker 4: main squad except for the mental part.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that part, John, when you're installing

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Speaker 5: a new offense, that helps. I mean defensively, you've got

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Speaker 5: the same scheme for the most part. I think nearly

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Speaker 5: every single one of the coaches is the same on

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Speaker 5: a defensive side as well. But you are bringing in

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Speaker 5: and putting in a new offense. So to that point,

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Speaker 5: the mental side of things, I would imagine is that

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Speaker 5: much more important for this offense.

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Speaker 2: And I know we can't take a lot out of what.

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Speaker 5: We saw just from the whole group, how the offense works,

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Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff, but general, just individually, were

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Speaker 5: there a couple of guys that just caught your eye

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Speaker 5: just with what they are physically, how they're built, how

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Speaker 5: that where you go, oh, okay, I kind of get

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Speaker 5: it while they drafted that guy, where they signed that guy,

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Speaker 5: were there any players like that that stood out for

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Speaker 4: Yes, And one of them is when Nick Kayley was

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Speaker 4: at the Rams. One of the things they like to

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Speaker 4: do on the outside is that big receivers, and they'd

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Speaker 4: have a guy like too two that well, but they

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Speaker 4: like big receivers. And when you see Nico Collins and

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Speaker 4: Jadon Higgins standing next to each other, it looks like

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Speaker 4: maybe they're getting ready to tip off against the Knicks,

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Speaker 4: because both those guys look like they could be basketball players.

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Speaker 4: And I'm guessing they've probably played a lot of basketball

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Speaker 4: growing up, especially in high school when they started to spout,

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Speaker 4: and seeing those guys together, you know, why, how dangerous

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Speaker 4: they're going to be and what a difficult matchup they're

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Speaker 4: going to be for the cornerbacks. I think wide receiver

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Speaker 4: other than Nico Collins, including Christian Kirk, wide receiver is

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Speaker 4: going to be a position we're constantly looking at during

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Speaker 4: the OTAs and training camp and joint practice againt the

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Speaker 4: Panthers and the Lions, and the preseason games. Because there's

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Speaker 4: a couple of guys like John Mitchew, the third Xavier Hutchinson.

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Speaker 4: I think based on what they've done in the draft

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Speaker 4: the alignment of the offensive line where you look up, okay,

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Speaker 4: it's these five, it's like musical chairs. Five more come

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Speaker 4: in as they're gonna watch these guys as much as

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Speaker 4: they can. And the mental part is a big thing

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Speaker 4: right now, the mental parts for everybody. And they have

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to see what he does and the

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Speaker 1: John McLean joining us, all right, Yeah, they do have

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Speaker 1: a lot of different places they can go. And I

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Speaker 1: pose this question. I think that Johnny last week, who

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Speaker 1: is the next Pro bowler on the offensive line in

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Speaker 1: the current group? And we all agreed it's got to

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Speaker 1: be tight as Howard probably, but we don't know.

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Speaker 2: But I think a guy.

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Speaker 1: Like Titus Howard gives the coaches a lot of options

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Speaker 1: here because you know, he could play right tackle. You

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Speaker 1: know he could play either guard spot in all likelihood

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Speaker 1: hasn't played center, can play left tackle too, So having

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Speaker 1: a guy like that general is certainly helpful. And right now,

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Speaker 1: other than fair Baron, he's the longest tenured Texan.

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Speaker 2: Is he not trying? Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Twenty nineteen first round pick Bill O'Brien wanted him so

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Speaker 4: bad he jumped up and looked like a jack in

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Speaker 4: the box. Is scared the hell out of the owner.

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Speaker 3: Not Bob McNair.

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Speaker 4: Of course, he had died in twenty eighteen and Janis

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Speaker 4: death the way o jumped up, started cheering and I

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Speaker 4: And I said, that's a cute story. Remember when everybody

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Speaker 4: said that got bamboozle because they wanted Andre Dillar. This

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Speaker 4: was nationally. They never wanted Dialer, they wanted Titus. What

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Speaker 4: Titus has to do that left guard is put together

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Speaker 4: a full season and be able to stay at left

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Speaker 4: guard and not be moved around and show them what

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Speaker 4: he can do. Because if he played really well, and

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Speaker 4: he's yet to have a consistently good season from start

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Speaker 4: to finish, he could help him get more money. And

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Speaker 4: I think that he just liked to be left in

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Speaker 4: one spot and it was pretty obvious last year left

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Speaker 4: guard was his best position. Let me ask you guys

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Speaker 4: something now, assuming Tay Nursery's going to be competing at

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Speaker 4: been all over the place, but Blake Fisher. Do you

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Speaker 4: open the season at the Rams.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take it first.

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Speaker 1: I think he will be, but I think it's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be an easy road to get there. I do

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Speaker 1: believe that they want to have a look at everybody

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Speaker 1: at Guard that they could possibly have a look at,

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Speaker 1: whether it be Ingram or Tomlinson or Titus or whoever juice.

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Speaker 1: They want to get a long look at these guys,

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Speaker 1: and you have to settle the center spot too. Most

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Speaker 1: likely not Jews, Patterson Andrews. We saw Jake Andrews yesterday.

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Speaker 1: That was interesting. But I think Blake eventually wins it. Johnny,

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Speaker 1: what do you think? I do think and I think

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Speaker 1: you put it well.

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Speaker 5: I think there's gonna be a pretty staunch competition that

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Speaker 5: whoever ends up winning that competition will have earned that spot.

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Speaker 5: It won't be as well. These two guys weren't very

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Speaker 5: good and we're just well, we're stuck with this guy.

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Speaker 5: I do think that Blake will improve. I'm curious to

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Speaker 5: see ursery once they turn this into a collision sport.

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Speaker 5: You put pads on a training camp. But I feel

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Speaker 5: like it's going to be well earned. You know, last

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Speaker 5: year there's a lot of talk about well, you know

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Speaker 5: those five guys were they were just labeled day one starters,

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Speaker 5: and they were starters. Problem is nobody really could push

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Speaker 5: them for a starting spot behind them, So it was

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Speaker 5: kind of tough because they were your five and there

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Speaker 5: really wasn't a lot of competition.

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Speaker 2: Who knows whether entitlements said and I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Whatever, but I think this year it will be earned

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Speaker 5: all across the board. So I do think that I

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Speaker 5: do think Blake is gonna end up starting at right tackle. However,

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Speaker 5: as we saw in the OTAs and as Demiko described,

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Speaker 5: they're I mean, look, we're gonna get the best five.

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Speaker 5: We gotta we gotta work towards getting that best five.

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Speaker 5: So which five? And as Herb Brooks said, Miracle not

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Speaker 5: looking for the best players. I'm looking for the right ones.

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Speaker 2: I like that. That's the most important thing.

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Speaker 5: Herb Brooks, Miracle, get the right ones, get the ones.

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Speaker 2: That fit the best.

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Speaker 5: And if you can do that, then you end up

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Speaker 5: putting yourself off in a pretty good situation.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 4: It would be great if Ursery could come in and

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Speaker 4: win that job over Cam Robinson. I'm sure it's not

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Speaker 4: going to happen. Right at the start, Robinson's on a

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Speaker 4: one year deal. He played every game last year for

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Speaker 4: two teams, so he knows he's playing for money again.

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Speaker 4: But at first he's good enough. Maybe early in the season,

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Speaker 4: maybe if Robinson gets hurt, he moves in solidifies the position.

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Speaker 4: The way I look at it, Howard's the left guard.

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Speaker 4: We know who the four guys competing at tackle will

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Speaker 4: be the key to center and right guard. And there

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Speaker 4: are a lot of candidates. This is a season for

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Speaker 4: Juice Scrugs, a second round pick, to step up, stay

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Speaker 4: out there and show why he was a second round pick.

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Speaker 4: He flashed at right guard and then they pulled him

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Speaker 4: and put Shaq Mason back in, and he was terrible.

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Speaker 4: But there are a lot of candidates who come in

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Speaker 4: here at center and guard, and that's the interior guys,

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Speaker 4: and they were the issue last year. That's the ones

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Speaker 4: I'm really big er look at when you're having the

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Speaker 4: joint practices and then when you're having the preseason games.

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Speaker 5: Okay, this one's for both of you know, stay with

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Speaker 5: me on this one. Okay, Okay. So there's five offensive linemen.

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Speaker 5: There are seventeen regular season games. That's eighty five starts

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Speaker 5: on the offensive line. Right, that's eighty five starts. How

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Speaker 5: many starts would you guesstimate? Will go to a player

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Speaker 5: that's not even in OTAs right now.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, I would say, ooh, Johnny, that's a good one.

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Speaker 5: I mean I'm saying that, like, let's say you get

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Speaker 5: a George fant right in the end that starting seventeen. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I don't know what Georgia and up starting. I think

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Speaker 5: it was a lot of games, but Georgian and up starting.

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Speaker 5: But George is not with us in OTAs. He took

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Speaker 5: seventeen and those eighty five. So the eighty five starts

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Speaker 5: across the offensive line, how many of them would you

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Speaker 5: devote to somebody not in the building at this current moment?

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Speaker 2: Zero? Really?

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Speaker 3: Zero?

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Speaker 2: You guys? Are you?

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Speaker 4: Guys are too much depth? They got more depth in

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Speaker 4: the offensive line than this team has ever had. Nick

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Speaker 4: Cassio has brought in five new lineman, four veterans. So

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Speaker 4: I'm like Mark, I'm gonna say zero about OTAs. Maybe

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, what's your number? I think the number

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Speaker 5: I do think there will be some starts from guys

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Speaker 2: You know that now injuries?

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Speaker 3: How many were there last year?

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Speaker 5: From it was the five they went with the five

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Speaker 2: Wait Patterson wasn't healthy early, right.

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Speaker 5: He was a little backed up at the beginning, but

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Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen. I guess twenty twenty Charlie Heck started

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Speaker 5: That's that's the point that might it might come to

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Speaker 5: So there's a lot of different ways you could get too.

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Speaker 5: Starts from somebody outside the building. And that's why I

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Speaker 2: So I'm going I'll go above zero.

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Speaker 5: I do think it'll be maybe not you maybe not

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Speaker 3: If that's the case and that happens, they're in trouble.

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Speaker 2: Uh, they could be. I don't speak that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know all the players they brought in.

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Speaker 4: They've never had this kind of experience in the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you this general, this defense, Will

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Speaker 4: What were they in twenty and twelve when they had

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Speaker 1: The defensively they didn't rank as high. I think seventh

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Speaker 2: Very good, no question.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna say no, because they're playing a first

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Speaker 5: Okay, this happens every year with the Super Bowl, Right

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Speaker 2: They're great football teams.

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Speaker 5: Invariably, one of the two teams in the Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: Chiefs, Chiefs the Super Bowl loser.

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Speaker 4: The only one time has it gone back to the

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Speaker 4: So I'm going with I think the Chiefs are going

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Speaker 4: just because of historically speaking. I think they'll still be

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Speaker 5: Could you imagine the Chiefs not winning the West and

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Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes in that game, could you imagine that? Thank you? Oh,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to see thee always win. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 5: Thirty Central time on Saturday, the first weekend of the

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Speaker 2: I'll take that.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about looking past them like

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Speaker 2: Would you take that right now? General? Would you take

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Speaker 5: Chiefs Texans, Saturday three thirty, first round in the wild Card.

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Speaker 2: Would you take it?

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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Speaker 4: It means you wouldn't have to play at Arrowhead Stadium

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Speaker 4: when you beat them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Johnny I said before, I would take

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: As far as your question goes those divisions, the AFC West,

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Speaker 1: As far as what you're dealing with in Philly Dallas,

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Speaker 5: I mean logic and math tells you that's the case.

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Speaker 5: They can't keep winning those one score games the way

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Speaker 2: Here's the general. I think it's a chief. You look

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they've lost some pieces, but my god, you still

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Speaker 5: have Saquon Barkley, Jalen Hurts coming back. Defensive line is

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Speaker 1: I had a question about how the NFL has evolved

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight oiler highlight reel. It's the NFL films

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Speaker 1: practice we want that time off.

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Speaker 2: That's our family time, that's our summer.

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Speaker 1: To have three, four or five weeks and then we

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Speaker 4: When our first my first oiler training camp seventy seven,

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Speaker 4: had to go I sweat for five hours a day,

440
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Speaker 4: and it was a lot different. It wasn't until the

441
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 4: CBA in ninety three when salary cap came in and everything,

442
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 4: that they started taking it easier on them, not want

443
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Speaker 4: players to get hurt because the cap and the players

444
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 4: got more rights in the CBA's about how much time

445
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Speaker 4: could be done. And they started easing up on practices.

446
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Speaker 4: And then as the team started getting great facilities like

447
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Speaker 4: the Texans have, and players would start coming over there

448
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 4: in the off season. They'd get three meals a day.

449
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 4: They wanted to come to work. They didn't have to

450
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Speaker 4: get rookies to go to McDonald's and bring them food

451
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Speaker 4: every day. Things changed until players started playing, until they

452
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Speaker 4: were in great shape when they reported and they didn't

453
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Speaker 4: have to beat them up. I remember one off season program.

454
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Speaker 4: Players were running going through these skills tests and Earl

455
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Speaker 4: Campbell he ran out of gas. Media goes around. Bomb

456
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Speaker 4: Phillips says, bomb bomber. Ol kid finished the mile and

457
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 4: bum Phillips chewed on some tobacco and he spat and

458
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 4: he said, well, when it's third to mile, we won't

459
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Speaker 4: give it to it.

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Speaker 5: General Drew nine in the lab, we brought up joint

461
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Speaker 5: practices because Texas will joint private, joint practice. The Panthers

462
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 5: have a joint practice with the Lions, and our thought,

463
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Speaker 5: our tact was what's your favorite joint practice memory.

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Speaker 2: You've been to training.

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Speaker 3: Camp for an hour?

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Speaker 5: Do you have a favorite one that you can share

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Speaker 5: on the radio. Not the one you don't want to

468
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Speaker 5: share in the radio.

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Speaker 4: No, no, you guys, I know you'll like it. When

470
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Speaker 4: we went to Richmond, Virginia to watch the Commanders, I

471
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Speaker 4: think they were the Redskins then yes, and the Texans

472
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Speaker 4: and the weather was cool there, but it was raining

473
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Speaker 4: and they got so many fights. They had to stop

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Speaker 4: it early. And in the time where we went to

475
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 4: New Orleans for the Saints and the Texans and there

476
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 4: were so many fights and it was so hot, just

477
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 4: the exact opposite of Richmond. They had to stop that early.

478
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Speaker 4: And Greg Williams, I think, was a defensive coordinator. Of course,

479
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 4: Sean Payton was sad coach, and Greg Williams love for

480
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 4: his players to get in fights. He was from the

481
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 4: Buddy Ryan school, and I believe we had to be

482
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Speaker 4: watching constantly because we knew there were going to be

483
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Speaker 4: fights and we had to suit see who it was.

484
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Speaker 4: Another one I really liked, and I know y'all did too,

485
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Speaker 4: was when we went to Santa Clara before the Texans

486
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Speaker 4: played the forty nine.

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Speaker 3: Ers and the weather was so nice.

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Speaker 2: Good, that was so nice.

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Speaker 3: Yes, at that time of year, it's all about weather.

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'll save it for the next segment. I'll give

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Speaker 1: you mine, I'll give you my well, you know, I'll

493
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Speaker 1: give you one because I got many. Because you guys

494
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: talked about this on in the last which I don't

495
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Speaker 1: know if it's been released yet, but.

496
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Speaker 2: It'll be soon.

497
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: The Texans Cowboys Year one was something at Robersons Stadium

498
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: and set up opening night September eight, two thousand and two. However,

499
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: the second year, and I've talked about this before, the

500
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: Alamo Dome scrimmage with the Cowboys was huge, and we

501
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: should do that every year. I will die on that hill.

502
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: We should do this every year with the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Scrimmage them at the Alamo Dome, sell tickets, do charity stuff.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: Whatever it takes, promote flag football, do it all. Texans

506
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: Cowboys at the Alamodome a week before the first preseason game.

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Speaker 1: I know Demiko would be down with that. You're indoors, yes,

508
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Speaker 1: So that's my thought.

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00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 4: What do y'all think about this one? Texans Patriots at

510
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 4: the Greenbrier. Remember when so many Patriot fans came in

511
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 4: there and just overran the practice fields and they had

512
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 4: I think, what was it, two practices before they came

513
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 4: back here and played, and that again, the weather was great.

514
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 4: To get to see Brady up close and personal, seeing

515
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 4: how Mike Rabo was hanging out with Brady and they

516
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 4: had it was I just had a blast going there,

517
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: and I remember how all those Patriot fans descended on

518
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 4: Lewis Burger, West Virginia and just took over the place.

519
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 5: I remember going off the practice field aftering interviews and

520
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 5: everything we think of the first practice, and I just

521
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 5: never forget in between the two practice fields, Deshaun was

522
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 5: a rookie and DeShawn was standing there and he was

523
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 5: with Tom Savage, and I'll never forget both of them.

524
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Speaker 2: They were staring.

525
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 5: Brady had gone off to the other side of the

526
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 5: other practice field with Alex Carrero and.

527
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Speaker 2: They had the bands yep.

528
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Speaker 5: And Brady had just gone through a full practice, and

529
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 5: I just remember Shaun and Savager watching and Brady's just

530
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 5: going up and down the field with those bands yep,

531
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Speaker 5: for like fifteen minutes after a full practice. And you

532
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Speaker 5: just sit there and go, well, yeah, that makes sense.

533
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Speaker 5: I mean, the guy's the greatest because he freaking works

534
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 5: at it.

535
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: Look at him. Ones work at it.

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Speaker 1: The great ones love practice, They love the prep, They

537
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Speaker 1: loved the process in general. What do you have going

538
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Speaker 1: on for us? I know you have the doc GK,

539
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: you entry underway, all the rest of it.

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00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 4: Yeah. In two weeks we're going to Key Largo, Florida

541
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Speaker 4: to interview Jimmy Johnson, who had a great almost kept

542
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 4: Corpus Christy Miller from being the first integrated team to

543
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 4: win a state championship in Texans. As port Arthur Jefferson

544
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 4: lost to Miller six to zero. We're going to talk

545
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 4: to Jimmy about the game, the environment of the Purview

546
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 4: Interscholastic League all black university interscholastically all white back then,

547
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 4: and Corpus Christy Miller was one of the first schools

548
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 4: to integrate. Johnny Rowland was their star player. We've got

549
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 4: other people we're going to interview, and I will be

550
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Speaker 4: in Waco on Friday to nominate Johnny Rowland for our

551
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 4: Veterans Nice nominations. So I'll be up there dealing with

552
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 4: the Texas Sports Hall of Fame. And I'll miss you

553
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 4: guys at the OTAs. But thank you, thank you very much.

554
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: As always, well, you can always listen to Texans All

555
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: Access Friday night at six for a complete OTA review

556
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: general and I.

557
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: Know abolutely that's what I'll be doing.

558
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir, Thank you guys.

559
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Speaker 1: All right, coming up, Johnny and I discuss. I'll give

560
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 1: you more of my best joint practice memories and worst.

561
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: But I've got overrated, underrated and some other big questions

562
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: for you, Johnny, it's next here on Texans Radio.

563
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: Back to it here on Texans Radio.

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00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: Mark Vandermere and John Harris with you, and just to

565
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: pay off the t's as promised. You guys were talking

566
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Speaker 1: about joint practices. Yeah, and best ones, worst ones. You know, Johnny,

567
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: The thing about joint practices is a lot of the

568
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: memory seem to be either neutral or not so hot,

569
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Speaker 1: because when I think about the ones with the Saints,

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Speaker 1: those are probably the best ones. Like oh eight, that

571
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: was great, great week. Yeah, great preseason game. I know

572
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: that's a weird statement to make, but it really was.

573
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Speaker 1: Afterwards the Texans taking it to the Saints and racking

574
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: up a lot of yards and numbers. That's Super Dome

575
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: a lot fun to watch that one. That was the

576
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Speaker 1: first time we were away for a while doing joint practices.

577
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: But I've told you the story five Broncos here Jake

578
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: Plummer Kubiak coaching the offense for the Broncos.

579
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: A year later he'd be the to this team.

580
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: But that time where I saw the Broncos take it

581
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: to the Texans in a night joint practice at the

582
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: Houston Methodist Training Center, and I thought boy, I hope

583
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: they're going to the super Bowl because we're not at

584
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: their level. And clearly the Texans weren't their level. That

585
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: year went to at fourteen, Broncos went to the AFC

586
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: Championship game. Kubiak came here and helped this franchise a lot.

587
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: You bringing up the Broncos.

588
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Speaker 5: I am very disappointed that you did not mention doing

589
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 5: radio from a closet.

590
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a good joint. I was twenty fourteen.

591
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: You and I had like a broom closet doing radio.

592
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: That sounds bad, yeah, I mean, but there we were,

593
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: the Broncos in their state of the art in the closet,

594
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: like literally, it was a big closet. It was about

595
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: the size of the studio, like an IT closet or something.

596
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: It was weird, and we just kind of set it

597
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: up and di the show. We had a two hour

598
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Speaker 1: show to do and we just knocked it out. He

599
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: essentially set the standard for you and I doing radio

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Speaker 1: shows anywhere, anytime.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was our first year together do a show. Yeah,

602
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: so that worked out well. Yeah, mcla.

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Speaker 1: That was actually my favorite preseason game ending. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's right. When Tom savage hit what's his

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Speaker 1: name from Aggie Land We're.

606
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Speaker 2: Gonna ask you were gonna say this to me? Oh,

607
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: it's at the tip of my tongue.

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Speaker 5: Yo, Godravis Slotty, mcslotty, I can't remember his.

609
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Speaker 1: Name, Travis something. Yeah, Oh, come on, you thing that.

610
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Speaker 5: But you know, we've been we've been on the road

611
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 5: for a lot of joint practices and I all of

612
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 5: them are enjoyable in some way, shape or form. I mean,

613
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Speaker 5: Drew and I talked a lot about this the seventeen

614
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Speaker 5: visit at the Greenbrier from the Patriots and.

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Speaker 2: Lab Heart, lab Heart, Travis Labhart. That's it came to me.

616
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Speaker 1: I was looking it up, but it came to me

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Speaker 1: while I was looking it up, So I get credit.

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Speaker 2: The reason that one kind of stands out a couple

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Speaker 2: of reasons.

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Speaker 5: Number One, we stayed on Inglewood because that's where their

621
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Speaker 5: practice facility is. And the whole week was great, the

622
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 5: weather was great, everything was great. And I remember and

623
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Speaker 5: always remember this one of the most enduring images of

624
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Speaker 5: my childhood watching the chem Laijuan on the sidelines against

625
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 5: the Denver Nuggets and you always have the oxygen mask.

626
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 5: And I remember being out there in Englewood, like this

627
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 5: thing that doesn't bother me at all.

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Speaker 2: So we have a good week with the Broncos.

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Speaker 5: We go into Denver to play them at Mile High

630
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Speaker 5: and I can't breathe all night long. I find myself

631
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Speaker 5: waking up like and every time I go to Denver.

632
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: It's the same thing. That's weird.

633
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Speaker 5: But then we have this game with Denver and it's

634
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Speaker 5: a great preseason game.

635
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Speaker 2: It's a great preseason game.

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Speaker 5: Tom Savage at the end leads them down touchdown two

637
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Speaker 5: point to win the game.

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Speaker 2: We go back with that.

639
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Speaker 5: But my favorite story of that game is I don't

640
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 5: know if you remember this, but during the joint practices

641
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 5: it got chippy.

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00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: Chippy. Now we talked to Chris Clark about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Peyton Manning.

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Speaker 5: Peyton Manning though, gets into it with our secondary because

645
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 5: our secondary is chirping, chirp and chirping. So in the game,

646
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 5: Peyton throws a seed for a touchdown. I mean just

647
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 5: rips one. It's like, man, this is Peyton Manning that

648
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 5: we haven't seen because he looked like he had the

649
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 5: arm strength back. So as he's running down the field,

650
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 5: he finds DJ Swearingert and just he says something. So

651
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 5: I find Swag in the locker room and I says, Swag,

652
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 5: what do you say to you? He goes, he goes

653
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 5: bleep you. And I thought Swag was talking to me.

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00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 5: So I was like, it's sorry, dude. I just asked him.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: He's like, Johnny, that's what he said to me. I

657
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: was like, Okay. I looked at Peyton Manning a little

658
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: different light at that point.

659
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 5: But I think that's one of the cool things is

660
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 5: just the opposite numbers you get to see, you know,

661
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 5: you get to see the great receivers. You know, last

662
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 5: last year it was Tyreek Hill getting to see here.

663
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 5: Two years ago, twenty twenty three, we got to see

664
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 5: Tyreek Hill. You know, you get to see all the

665
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 5: great quarterbacks. You know, obviously two of that year, but

666
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 5: we've seen Matt Stafford here in two forms, Lions and

667
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 5: the Rams. You know, Jimmy Garoppolo the one years come

668
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 5: off that big year in San Francisco and you're like,

669
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 5: this guy might have a little stuff to his team.

670
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 5: This will be an interesting team to watch. And then

671
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady. I mean, we've seen a lot

672
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 5: of quarterbacks, you know, I know you would say, Drew Brees,

673
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 5: I didn't get to see those ones.

674
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: Against the Saints.

675
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice. Yeah, yeah, Jerry Rice was here once twenty fourteen.

676
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 5: Those two joint practices were against Matt Ryan and then

677
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 5: Peyton Manning.

678
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: Damn, basically back to back weeks. That's big. Yeah, So we've.

679
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 5: Had some We've had a good time with the joint practices,

680
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 5: and this will be fun going facing the Lions, facing

681
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 5: the Panthers, seeing that that California connection between Bryce Young

682
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 5: and Tteroro McMillan.

683
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: That w'll be fun.

684
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: All right.

685
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: So you and I saw another practice today which was

686
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: for business operations. Yes, it wasn't immediate thing, so we're

687
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: not gonna go nuts because you know it's not fair.

688
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: The media wasn't there, but you know, we work here,

689
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: so we got to go with the rest of the people.

690
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: And we're talking like accounting, HR ticketing. Yeah, all refer

691
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: to a practice. Yeah, they were gonna go yesterday, but

692
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: it got rained in, meaning rained into the bubble, so

693
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: that wasn't going to accommodate enough of the people. But anyway,

694
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: any thoughts on last couple of days, anything different, anything new,

695
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: anything In addition, to what we heard last night.

696
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 5: I think the one thing I would say is anybody

697
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 5: that thinks offensively that anything is set in stone, anything

698
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 5: not so fast. Yes, you use your best corso not

699
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 5: so fast. If you're sitting there going, I guarantee it's

700
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 5: gonna be.

701
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: Like this, Eh, back up, Sparky, even more combos. And

702
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure the media will see this tomorrow. Yeah they're

703
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, there's nothing set in stone, nothing's way

704
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: to And I think one of the things and I go,

705
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: I go back to this. I listened to a podcasts

706
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: Jordan Rodrigan, I want up to Big twelve Media Days.

707
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: A few years ago I drove to Dallas and Jordan

708
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: rodriga The Athletic, did this really good podcast where she

709
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: interviewed a lot of the the Shanahan Tree, kind of

710
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: the younger members mc vey, Shanahan, McDaniel, Matt Lafleur. And

711
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: one of the things I'll never forget is Sean McVay

712
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: talking about the evolution of his offense out with the Rams.

713
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: And I can't help but thinking Nick Kayley and Sean

714
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: McVay is young wounder Keeney goes out to the La

715
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: Rams and how's it going to be, and he goes

716
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: out there with a thought of what the offense was

717
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: he thought was gonna be. He gets out there, he

718
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: starts kind of messing around with the talent he's got,

719
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: and he's like, man, I thought we were gonna be

720
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: ex but then I see some of the talent we

721
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: turned into why And I thought that was always interesting?

722
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: And so I would imagine that McVay has probably shared

723
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: that with many offensive people that have been with him,

724
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: including Nikayley, and so I think probably Nick is going

725
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: through that at some point looking at, Okay, personnel wise,

726
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: I have this, This is what I thought I was

727
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: gonna be, but I've got this personnel, so maybe it

728
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: should be this, And so you kind of play around

729
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: with it until you find your voice your offense, right,

730
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: And I always think back to that with McVeigh, and

731
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: I feel like Nick's probably going through that with looking

732
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: at and you can know what talent you have until

733
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: you see it on a field and you see it

734
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: kind of come together. You don't know, you have no idea,

735
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: and so you don't really realize, look are we his

736
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: own team or we a gap scheme team?

737
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: What are we? Well?

738
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 5: I don't know until we kind of see it all

739
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 5: come together. We're not really sure what we are. Let's

740
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 5: kind of move this and move that, move this piece,

741
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 5: and you'll eventually hopefully find a nice little picture. Those

742
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 5: a little slide puzzles. You know, you look at slide puzzles.

743
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 5: You're like, gonna move this over here. Sometimes you got

744
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 5: to move a piece three times left. So you can

745
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 5: just get one piece to move one time to the

746
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 5: right where you know it should go, but you got

747
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 5: to move all these other pieces.

748
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 2: Kind of move this around.

749
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 5: So anything that anybody out there goes, yep, I know

750
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 5: exactly how.

751
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: It's gonna go. Nope, no way, no way you have.

752
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: You have no idea. In fact, even you might be wrong.

753
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: If you give a vague idea, it might be wrong.

754
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: So we'll find out. We'll find out more tomorrow. Each

755
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: practice will be broken down six o'clock tomorrow, Friday night,

756
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: we will break down the third ota practice. All right, Johnny,

757
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: I went a little overrated underrated because I was talking

758
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: with some people today and it just reoccurred to me

759
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: because I've thought this before, how certain franchises are underrated

760
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: and other franchises are overrated. Okay, what do you think

761
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: is the most underrated franchise in the NFL. This franchise

762
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,479
Speaker 1: has done some things. Now they're franchises who have done more,

763
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: but I think this particular franchise doesn't get enough credit

764
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: for being one of the premier franchises in this game.

765
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: And look, they're not at.

766
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: The level of the Chiefs who have gone nuts lately,

767
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: or the Eagles who have gone nuts lately, or the

768
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: Patriots who went nuts for two decades but not lately.

769
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 2: They're not at that level.

770
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: But they're at a high level, and they don't get

771
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: enough credit for being at that high level.

772
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: I believe, I know that you're not referring to anybody

773
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: in the AFC South or the AFC for that man.

774
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: THEFC, I've talked about them on a recent episode, maybe

775
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,479
Speaker 1: within the last three weeks, and we played them this year.

776
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: I think it's Tampay Buccaneers.

777
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. I

778
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: brought them up too. I like that as an underrated

779
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: franch I.

780
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 5: Think Tampa Bay just doesn't get enough credit now that

781
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 5: I think part of it is because they've had such

782
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 5: down peers. I mean, obviously it came into the league

783
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 5: losing every single game for like seventeen straight games, so

784
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 5: it was like a year some change before they ended

785
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 5: up winning a game. And so I think that for

786
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 5: old heads. Old head but I'm getting there, But I

787
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 5: remember that as a little kid how bad the Bucks were,

788
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 5: because I was old enough to remember when they got

789
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 5: good in seventy nine. But then from there they've had

790
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 5: these periods of time where it's been pretty damn good

791
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 5: and they have lapses.

792
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: But you're right, they have two suits underrated Bucks.

793
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: I like that one. I like that one a lot.

794
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: In fact, that one might be a better example than mine,

795
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: which was Seattle.

796
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: I think Seattle's on it.

797
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 5: I think they're probably it's funny because they both came

798
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 5: into the league the same year in seventy six.

799
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 2: Yes, and they.

800
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: Both have done some things in the last twenty years.

801
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: And I think, and let's juxtapose with what I think

802
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: is an overrated franchise. Not that they're bad, they're really great.

803
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: They're really good. I maybe they're not great, but they're

804
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: really good. But I think they tend to get overrated,

805
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: and that would be the Baltimore Ravens.

806
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 4: Oh.

807
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: I think this is an overrated Franchi.

808
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 5: Ooh, I had one in mind same division, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh. Yeah,

809
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 5: but Pittsburgh gets a lot of grief because they haven't

810
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 5: won a playoff game.

811
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: Since this and they eight and eight and then eight

812
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: nine or nine and well nine, nine and eight. He

813
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: always has a non losing season. But they kind of

814
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: get criticized that kind of they get criticized for that,

815
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: for not going anywhere. But the Ravens have had a

816
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: lot of not going anywhere, not going far enough. I

817
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,959
Speaker 1: know they went to the AFC Championship Game in twenty three.

818
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: They did and beat the Texans and the Division war

819
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: so they get there, so good for them.

820
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they won a super Bowl in twenty twelve.

821
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: But since winning the Super Bowl, it has not exactly

822
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: been a cornucopia of excellence. True, all right, they've agreed

823
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: good years, but not great years. They had the one

824
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 1: AFC Championship Game appearance, but that's it since twenty twelve.

825
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: Since twenty twelve, the Seahawks have won a Super Bowl

826
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: more recently. Now, they don't have two Super Bowl wins

827
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: in the last twenty five years like the Ravens do,

828
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: because the Ravens won it in two thousand, but they've

829
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: won a super Bowl more recently, went to another more recently, and.

830
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: They have winning season after winning season.

831
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: Right the Seahawks, they let go of Pete Carroll while

832
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: he still had it going on. Pete Carroll leaves the

833
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: building at nine and eight, and guess what they didn't

834
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: lose last year with the new coach McDonald. They go

835
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: ten and seven, don't make the playoffs, but they go

836
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: ten and seven. The one losing season they've mixed in

837
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: in the last since twenty eleven is seven and ten

838
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: with Carol in twenty twenty one. So I stand by this.

839
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: I think they're underrated and I think the Bucks are

840
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: too Ravens.

841
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: I think they're slightly overrated.

842
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: People think that the Ravens are like the Patriots or

843
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,959
Speaker 1: something like they have all this excellence, excellence, but they

844
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: have They're loud, they've got great personalities.

845
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: They've got MVP and Lamar.

846
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: Jackson, three time MVP, two time MVFWO time could have

847
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: been three this year, but either way, yeah, could have

848
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: been three. Josh Allen won and thank you, and I

849
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: get it. They are going to be a very sexy

850
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: contender again this year. But we'll see if they get there.

851
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: I just think and look, I'm not saying they suck.

852
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: They think they're great, but they're slightly overrated in my opinion.

853
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 5: So the Steelers win a lot of regular season games.

854
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 5: They have, I mean, it's kind of mark time with

855
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 5: where the Texas are. So the Texas came in the

856
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 5: league in two thousand and two, right, Steelers won a

857
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 5: lot of double digit even last year they were ten

858
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 5: to seven. But name me the last time that the

859
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 5: Pittsburgh Steelers won a playoff game.

860
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's been a while. It's like they haven't

861
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: won one since. Is it twenty sixteen? It's sixteen, twenty sixteen.

862
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: That's the last time they won a play last.

863
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 5: Time they won a playoff game, they won one in fifteen.

864
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 5: They have three playoff victories since they went to the

865
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 5: Super Bowl and lost in twenty ten, twenty eleven.

866
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 2: Just follow me, twenty eleven through current day, lost in wild.

867
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 5: Card, out of playoffs, out of the playoffs, lost in wildcard,

868
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 5: lost in the visional round. But that year they beat

869
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 5: the Bengals in the opening round. They lost the division

870
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 5: round and that was perfect.

871
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was the perfect year. They could have

872
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: lost that game very easily.

873
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 5: Twenty sixteen, they get to face the Patriots in the

874
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 5: AFC Championship game.

875
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: Okay, they lost that.

876
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 5: Then seventeen they lost, they get a bye, They lose

877
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 5: the Jaguars at home in the division rounds. Right then

878
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 5: out of the playoffs, out of playoffs, lost wild card,

879
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 5: lost wild card. Out of the playoffs, lost wildcard, lost

880
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 5: wild card. Twenty sixteen, and we when the Steelers and Ravens.

881
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 5: It's the best rivalry in sports. Look, I'm not going

882
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 5: to dispute the regular season, but at some point you've

883
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 5: got to be able to produce in the playoffs or

884
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 5: you end up being an under an over eighty team.

885
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 5: The Bucks have won a title since then. The Seahawks

886
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 5: have won a title since both of those teams.

887
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they've won.

888
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 5: Like I said, they won the one game against the

889
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 5: Bengals in fifteen, and then they won in sixteen. So

890
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 5: they've had three playoff wins since twenty eleven.

891
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: Well, Texans have more than that. How about that? Bingo exactly?

892
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: All right, final segment, we'll go around the league. A

893
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: former Texan still going a surprise a little bit of

894
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: one among other things.

895
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: It's Texans Radio, all.

896
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: Right, we were blabbing away in the last segment, so

897
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: we have been able time here. Texan new signs and

898
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: is still going former Texan, Former Texan, be clear. Mark

899
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: David Quesnberry signs with them, we might see him.

900
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 5: There are very few players I shouldn't say very few.

901
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 5: After being in this building and meeting players, you get

902
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 5: to know a lot of them. There are very few

903
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 5: I cheer for more than David Quesnbury. I cheer for

904
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 5: him too. I just hate the fact that we let

905
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 5: him go.

906
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: I knowted him walk out the door and he ends

907
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: up having a great career without the Texans who spent

908
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: all the time backing him, the mcnairs backing him, supporting

909
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: him in his recovery. And of course this is the

910
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: right thing to do, and they do the right thing,

911
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: but the football people make the decision.

912
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: You know.

913
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: It was great he came out of the tunnel against

914
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Christmas Day twenty seventeen. That was cute. He played

915
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: against the Steelers. We got blown out. We don't think

916
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: he's got anything left for the NFL really, but it

917
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: was great that he made it back. Well, he becomes

918
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: a year's harder on the Titans.

919
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: Bills. He was somewhere else too.

920
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: Now he's with the Rams, Vikings Vikings, my gosh, and

921
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 1: the Quesnbiarry family.

922
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: Just great people all around. Have enjoyed meeting all of them.

923
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 5: And the thing about it is there was no bitterness

924
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 5: on David's part, like at all.

925
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: Like he understood. He's like he knew it.

926
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he appreciated everything the city and the organization

927
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 5: did for him.

928
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: And he knew it.

929
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 5: When I talked to him and I'd see him, you know,

930
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 5: down on the field in other games, he was so

931
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 5: happy to see me and so excited askmile family is doing.

932
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 5: He just he was such a great guy, but he understood,

933
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 5: you know, that's the business of football.

934
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: Dude was draft into twenty thirteen, Draft twenty thirteen. Here

935
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: was sixth round.

936
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 5: Twelve plus years later, and he's still kicking it around

937
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 5: good and he's back.

938
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: He's back, well near home. He's in LA. He's from

939
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: San Diego, So San Jose State. Yeah, so San Jose State, Yeah,

940
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: San Jose State. So he's a couple hours from home.

941
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: So good. Good for quiz man. I'm I'm very happy

942
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: for you.

943
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: I remember interviewing Paul, because Paul was here, Scott, he was,

944
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: he was here.

945
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 2: They're all great interviews, man, Yeah, really great.

946
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: Paul talked about how appreciative David was, and you know,

947
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: maybe I should be more kind to the football people

948
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: at the time for making that decision because who knew

949
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: thought he was going to do that. That's true, but

950
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: you give them chance after chance, like one more chance

951
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: you might have seen the fruit of your labor to

952
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: support him.

953
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I just hate that he went to the Titan.

954
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 5: That's the killer. That's the one that drives me insane.

955
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 5: He went to the Titans.

956
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys who end up with the divisional teams doing well, Look,

957
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: it's nothing personal, but you know how I feel about

958
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: the teams, especially.

959
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: You go to a divisional team, we hate you from

960
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: now on.

961
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: Nothing was worse than It's Sports eight, than our Hall

962
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: of Famer oh Man playing for the Horseshoe. There was

963
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: nothing more awful than Andre Johnson catching two touchdown passes

964
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: against the Texans and the hassle beck and a diaper game.

965
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: We can do a whole show on that Texans painful moments.

966
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: Maybe not.

967
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: The McNair's are listening right now, like really here to

968
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: go there thirty for thirty game.

969
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 5: Oh oh, we could do a good radio thirty for

970
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 5: thirty about that.

971
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: We're gonna get the music. We're gonna do that.

972
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: This is a good July show that is exactly July

973
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten degrees out, and we're talking about it.

974
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: We got the thirty for thirty theme.

975
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 5: On the air, like how sick were you all? I

976
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 5: almost didn't play. I bet he would talk about it.

977
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 5: I bet you would too, I bet you, I absolutely

978
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 5: bet he would if we got it in my betty would.

979
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: Their dad died recently, Don Hasselbeck. That's tight.

980
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, oh yeah, that's too bad.

981
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 5: And we would talk with us. We need to, we

982
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 5: need to make that happen. We will make that happen.

983
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,479
Speaker 5: And I hate to end the show on that note.

984
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: But tomorrow six we'll review OTA's Day three, talk about

985
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: everything we see at practice. Let you know what's up.

986
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: Area forty five is next. Have a great night, Go Texans.