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Speaker 2: So, in the wake of zornmm Donnie's Democratic primary victory,

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Speaker 2: you've got a number of establishment Democrats who're starting to

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Speaker 2: sweat a little bit about a potential primary challenge from

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Speaker 2: the left. Hakim Jeffries was asked about this possibility for

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Speaker 2: himself on CNN.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what you have to say.

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Speaker 4: I have no idea what these people are talking about.

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Speaker 4: We are going to continue to focus our efforts as

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Speaker 4: we did on the House floor and connection with Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump's One Big Ugly Bill on pushing back against the

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Speaker 4: extreme that has been unleashed on the American people. It

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Speaker 4: is Cleita Haas as members of the New York City

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Speaker 4: delegation that the problem is Donald Trump and House Republicans.

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Speaker 1: You mean are being honest with you don't know why?

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Speaker 1: You know why they're targeting you?

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Speaker 5: Oh no, I'm not. I know why they're targeting.

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Speaker 1: You know why I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't care that they're targeting.

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Speaker 1: So why don't you say it? You know why they're targeting.

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Speaker 5: I think they're targeting because I'm pro Israel. That's one

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Speaker 5: hundred percent. That's the issue.

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Speaker 2: So are you saying they're targeting you and all of

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Speaker 2: these other individuals you've got Clark, I.

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Speaker 5: Think I have. I am specifically targeted because of my position.

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Speaker 6: And by the way, he's been courageous on this issue,

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Speaker 6: and he's had a backbone, and he has stood up

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Speaker 6: to the Waco radicals and his party on this and he.

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Speaker 1: Deserves all the credit in the World War.

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Speaker 6: But that's why he's on the list because these people

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Speaker 6: have a burning hatred for Israel. It's one of their

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Speaker 6: main pieces of their platform, and that's why they put

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Speaker 6: him on the list.

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Speaker 5: And it's terrible.

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Speaker 2: So it started there with a Kim Jeffreys and then

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Speaker 2: to Richie trus who starts looking very uncomfortable as Scott

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Speaker 2: Jennings starts singing. And I mean, look, these people, they

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be afraid right now because the Democratic base in

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Speaker 2: a way I have never seen before. They are disgusted

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Speaker 2: with the Hakeem Jeffries of the world. And you know

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Speaker 2: what on Israel. Listen, most people are not going to

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Speaker 2: be voting on Israel and Gaza. However, this is beginning

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Speaker 2: to be a sort of like gatekeeping litmus test issue

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Speaker 2: within the Democratic primary base because it's an indication of

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Speaker 2: are you willing, are you going to fight, are you

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Speaker 2: willing to stand up for things that are different, are

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Speaker 2: you willing up to stand up against moneyed interests? And

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Speaker 2: do you have any like core principles that do have

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Speaker 2: basic humanity and any basic values that we can rely on.

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Speaker 2: So yes, the fact that Richie Torres, who represents one

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Speaker 2: of the poorer districts in the country, has spent so

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Speaker 2: much time fixated on supporting a foreign country rather than

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Speaker 2: trying to help out his own constituents in his own district, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that is going to make you a target for a primary,

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Speaker 2: and I very much suspect that he is going to

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Speaker 2: I think both of them could potentially be very vulnerable here,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually the important point. The important point is

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Speaker 1: that it's not about Israel per se, although you know,

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Speaker 1: Ryan put this very eloquently yesterday about Epstein, and I

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Speaker 1: think Israel has now become one of this if you

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Speaker 1: just repeat Epstein killed himself, or any sort of establishment thing,

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Speaker 1: people's baseline. It's not that they're voting on Epstein. They're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't trust this guy. They're like, this guy is captured.

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Speaker 1: And if you talk about Israel and our strongest allies,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about this. That's kind of how I

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Speaker 1: that becomes an entree point through which you can assess

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Speaker 1: why I would put it, and so to see ka

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Speaker 1: in the way that the Democratic Party really wants. You

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Speaker 1: are absolutely ripe for a major takeover. The question is like,

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Speaker 1: what form does that take? I mean, I you can

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Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't Jeffries like I mean,

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Speaker 1: most of these districts that are heavily Jerry Mander, It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be pretty tough, oh, to actually get yourself a

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Speaker 1: real primary that.

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Speaker 3: No, you could get a real primary.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I'm quite sure Richie Torres is I have to look

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Speaker 2: I think he won Kakiem Jeffrey's district as well, but

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Speaker 2: I'd have to double check on that one. I know

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Speaker 2: we won Dan Goldman's district, which is like a lower

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Speaker 2: Manhattan district as well. So I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: followed this, Richie Torres. Since Zoron's victory, man has he

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Speaker 2: done a one eighty? He stopped Israel posting. He'll only

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Speaker 2: occasionally now post about Israel, whereas previously was like every

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Speaker 2: other tweets about Israel. You know, he put up this

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Speaker 2: video that he quickly took down because I think it

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Speaker 2: was such an embarrassing copy, attempted copy of what's I

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Speaker 2: he's just getting like ripped apart, so he deleted it.

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Speaker 2: He has gone to bat for Zorn in the context

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Speaker 2: of saying this, you know, these Islamophobic attacks on him

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Speaker 2: are unacceptable, So he definitely recognizes that he has an

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Speaker 3: Haquem Jeffries.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's like so risless that it's astonishing. He

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Speaker 2: is the biggest black hole of charisma I think I've

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Speaker 3: I was watching his appearance on.

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Speaker 2: And the way he talks, he does all these like

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Speaker 2: more you need to like, yeah, you need to unseen

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Speaker 2: So for Richie Torres, the focus on Israel, He's right,

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Speaker 2: it's a problem for him. It is a problem when

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Speaker 2: you have a huge gulf of a disconnect between where

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Speaker 2: democratic leadership is and where the democratic base is on Israel.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's an issue for you, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: For Hakim Jeffries, the fact that he has become a

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Speaker 2: figure of public mockery across the board with your most

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Speaker 2: normally possible liberal Democrats, for his inability and unwillingness to

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Speaker 2: fight Trump in any real meaningful way, and how absolutely

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Speaker 2: pathetic he's been in this moment, Yes, that makes him

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Speaker 2: vulnerable too. John Stewart actually was taking shots at him

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Speaker 2: over his like like insanely cringe pathetic posting around the

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Speaker 2: one big beautiful bill. Let's go ahead and take a

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Speaker 2: look at a little bit at what John Stewart had

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Speaker 3: But at these Democrats still have Hakim Jeffries over the house.

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Speaker 6: He's a younger leader and he decided not to answer

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Speaker 6: with words but with imagery.

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Speaker 3: It came Jeffries on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: He's got a baseball bat and he says, House Democrats

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Speaker 1: will keep the pressure on Trump's one big ugly bill.

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Speaker 1: King Jeffries answered with imagery. Imagery that sends a clear.

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Speaker 3: Message to Republicans that it came Jeffries and the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Are waiting for their moms to pick them up from

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Speaker 1: t ball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just absolutely pathetic.

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Speaker 1: So here's the sneakers in that too, Oh my god. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a blessing. Stop dressing like shit.

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Speaker 2: Stear also made a good point of like, don't you

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Speaker 2: know that if you want to look intimidating, the angle

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Speaker 2: shrinks you down at me.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't even know all these basics. And apparently he's

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Speaker 1: been caught using face tune now multiple time. That is human.

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Speaker 2: Oh he there was this picture he posted himself on

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Speaker 2: Instagram where he's like leaning up against the park bench

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Speaker 2: doing to like, I don't know, make his hips smaller.

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Speaker 1: That was my friend Julie Grace.

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Speaker 3: What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Julie Grace, who is a great reporter I recommend people

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Speaker 1: There's also this, this is really fun. Let's put this

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Speaker 1: him for a primary. And they respond, if Team Gentrification

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Speaker 1: wants a primary fight, our response will be forceful and unrelenting.

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Speaker 1: We will teach them and all of their incumbents a

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Speaker 1: painful lesson. So branding them Team Gentrification is I mean,

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Speaker 1: what is that exactly? It's like the way that they're

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Speaker 1: kind of trying to frame this as Zoron is just

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Speaker 1: like the rich white leftist candidate and they're like the

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Speaker 1: doesn't really fit with a lot of the data, you

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Speaker 1: know that has come out of the primary itself, especially

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Speaker 1: if he's was able to win your district. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, no, that's exactly right. And I mean it's also

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Speaker 2: has been a leader in the Democratic Party as it

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Speaker 2: has pivoted to be a richer, white college educated party

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Speaker 2: like that being the center of gravity within the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: Let's just see four up on the screen, just to

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Speaker 2: dig into some of these numbers. So, first of all, Zlauren, Now,

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Speaker 2: after all the ranked choice voting, he is now one

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Speaker 2: the largest number of primary votes for a Democratic candidate

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Speaker 2: a little bit different because this ranked choice voting now

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Speaker 2: wasn't before blah blah blah, but that is still a

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Speaker 2: really significant accomplishment. You don't do that by just winning

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Speaker 2: what they call the Kami corridor. He made huge inroads

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Speaker 2: us up on the screen. This is polling for if you,

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Speaker 2: you know, if all five candidates stay in the race

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Speaker 2: through the general, this is what it ultimately looks like.

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Speaker 2: And you've he's got Zoron winning you know, most every constituency.

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Speaker 2: You have him winning white voters, Black voters, Latino voters,

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Speaker 2: Asian voters. College educated Cuomo does beat him among non

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Speaker 2: college by about three points. But you can't look at

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Speaker 2: gentrifiers like that is a preposterous way of you. He's

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Speaker 2: To the I've had it ladies who I am loving

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. I hadn't thought about it that way.

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Speaker 1: being resurrected as a major political issue or some sort

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Speaker 1: of litmus test, you know, like that in the future.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree that you know, you shoul quote abandoning

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Speaker 1: principles or whatever should be happening on the stage, but

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Speaker 1: I don't see the same vernacular around the way that

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Speaker 1: she may want to talk about these types of things

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Speaker 1: being talked about on the democratic stage in the future.

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Speaker 1: So it's probably like a marriage of the two on Israel,

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Speaker 1: immigration and any cultural issues in the future people don't

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Speaker 1: want like naked abandonment, which is kind of what I

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Speaker 1: think you're talking about. But you know, not every democratic

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Speaker 1: stage is going to be raising their person on the

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Speaker 1: democratic stage and be raising their hand talking about decriminalized

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Speaker 1: border crossings again, which is what happened back in twenty

448
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Speaker 1: nineteen during that primary. So I'm not so sure yet.

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Speaker 1: She's a canary for me on the Israel issue, but like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's the path of the way things

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Speaker 1: are going to be going. That's just my realm. No, No,

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Speaker 1: on all issues. I think I'm saying we should not

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Speaker 1: look at her as like, like what I'm saying is

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Speaker 1: you should not look at the position that she's taking

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Speaker 1: on all issues. It's kind of the way things are

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Speaker 1: going to be going in the future. And that kind

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Speaker 1: of what explains how you can support somebody like Jasmine

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Speaker 1: Crockett and aocs like you don't actually have anything in common,

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Speaker 1: well except for fighting Trump.

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Speaker 3: Thing is the fighting Trump and that's it.

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Speaker 2: And that's also where something like you know, transgender issues,

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Speaker 2: where that comes in.

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Speaker 1: That why that.

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Speaker 2: Clip of her with Rama Manual, who's just such a

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Speaker 2: like low some piece of shit anyway, and he's like

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Speaker 2: very punishable, you know, regardless of how you sure where

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Speaker 2: you are and any Why that resonated so much was

468
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Speaker 2: not even so much about the particular issue. It was

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Speaker 2: her willingness to say, like, you're just like adopting a

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Speaker 2: Republican framing and this is bullshit and not to bend.

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Speaker 3: And that's what's like the Democratic base.

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Speaker 2: Previously it was all about oh, let's reach out, let's

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Speaker 2: have bipartisanship, and let's get along. That is over and

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Speaker 2: so I think that's more of what has been the

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Speaker 2: response to her, the response to Kim Jeffries, the response

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Speaker 2: to all of these like, you know, legacy Democratic establishment leaders,

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Speaker 2: and I actually think you're wrong on Israel Gaza, especially

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Speaker 2: because we're talking about, you know, a Democratic primary presidential

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Speaker 2: primary that's going to happen a couple of years in

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Speaker 2: the future. It already has become among the Democratic base,

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Speaker 2: very large majority believes this is the genocide. I can

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Speaker 2: guarantee you and when you have What was so important

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Speaker 2: about Zoron's victory in New York City is that he

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Speaker 2: supports BDS like he is anti scientist.

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Speaker 3: He would not then to their like, well, just Israel

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Speaker 3: have a right to exist? Is a Jewish I needs

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Speaker 3: like as a state with equal rights. The fact you

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Speaker 3: could do that in.

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Speaker 2: The city in this country that has not just the

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Speaker 2: largest Jewish population, but this is a very significant.

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Speaker 3: Part of New York culture. You know, New York is

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Speaker 3: very culturally like Jewish.

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Speaker 2: These are important institutions, and that he could do that

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Speaker 2: and get not only get away with it. I actually

495
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Speaker 2: think it ended up helping his campaign because people were

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Speaker 2: so disgusted with the way that Couloma tried to weaponize

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Speaker 2: anti Semitism. That is going to be a signal to

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Speaker 2: so many Democrats who are looking at how far they

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Speaker 2: can what they can say, how far they can go

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Speaker 2: on this issue. And if Ape's already against you, like

501
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Speaker 2: what are you going to? You know, what more can

502
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Speaker 2: you throw out these people? So I do think there

503
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Speaker 2: is going to be a sea change on this issue

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Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party because you cannot sustain a situation

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Speaker 2: where eighty percent of your base feels one way and

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Speaker 2: the over like all of the Democratic leaders basically feel

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Speaker 2: a totally different way.

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Speaker 1: I'm willing. I'm totally willing to be wrong. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just think policy wise, I don't think you're going to

510
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Speaker 1: we're all that different. Like I think the policy is

511
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Speaker 1: going to be very different, But in terms of the

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Speaker 1: way that they talk about it, I do think they're

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Speaker 1: probably going to settle on some sort of middle ground issue.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even Zoron, like he doesn't talk genocide, like

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Speaker 1: even whenever he justifies BDS, he talks about it in

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Speaker 1: the terms of like equal rights. It seems more like

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Speaker 1: a moderate framing where if you're in the know, you're like,

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Speaker 1: oh shit, that's actually quite radical, at least for our

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Speaker 1: current political project. That's the way I could see it

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Speaker 1: becoming something at a major political level, which is undeniable.

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Speaker 1: I agree, to be clear, like I'm totally I think

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Speaker 1: that's a good thing. I wish that all politicians would

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Speaker 1: speak that way, but I think it would be more

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Speaker 1: politically accessible. And also why it made the attacks on

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Speaker 1: Zoron as anti semitic so preposterous, because if you talk

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Speaker 1: about it moderately and you're like, yeah, so state with

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Speaker 1: equal rights, people are like, well, I mean, what's wrong.

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Speaker 3: Right now?

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Speaker 1: Or BDS, It's like, yeah, you know, we should be

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Speaker 1: able to boycott or divest and not have laws on

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Speaker 1: the books for any country to anybody who we think

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Speaker 1: is I mean too human rights.

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Speaker 2: He had a whole news cycle about his defensive globalized

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Speaker 2: the Intopotm, you know, like I mean, he did say

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Speaker 2: the things like he didn't center his campaign around that,

536
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Speaker 2: but because those were all the attacks that were incoming,

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Speaker 2: it became a very significant part of the.

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Speaker 3: Cant you remember going on Colbert and like it now

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Speaker 3: that crazy.

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Speaker 2: So in any case, let me just play you one

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Speaker 2: more clip of the I've had it ladies talking about

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Speaker 2: Hakeem Jeffrey is because I think this is interesting as

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Speaker 2: well again as a sign post of how disgusted the

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Speaker 2: normy liberal Democratic base is with their own leaders at

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Speaker 2: this point. This is very different from previous eras than

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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 3: Let's take listen.

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Speaker 7: First of all, he has addressed the rise of anti Semitism,

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Speaker 7: and it's not performative. It's very, very real, and he

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Speaker 7: understands that it's real. And he has the endorsement of

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Speaker 7: other Jewish politicians that aren't propagandized by a corrupt Israeli government.

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Speaker 7: This was your moment, Hakeem to also stand up against Islamophobia,

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Speaker 7: because here's the thing about human rights, you guys, you

554
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Speaker 7: don't get to cherry pick. If you're against anti Semitism,

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Speaker 7: then you have to be against Islamophobia, homophobia, racism, and

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Speaker 7: down the lad line also class warfare. And so this

557
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Speaker 7: kind of cherry picking because of who donates to Hawking Jeffries,

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Speaker 7: apa Apac donates to Hakik Jeffrees. The people who preach

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Speaker 7: against against anti Semitism should be joining Zorn Mondami and

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Speaker 7: standing up against the Islamophobic attacks on him. He has

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Speaker 7: not said anything disparaging about Jewish people. He stands with

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Speaker 7: them in solidarity. And this type of crap is so

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Speaker 7: disgusting to me, and it is cancer within the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 7: We lost these last two elections to an idiot because

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Speaker 7: of these centrist policies, and you're being behold into special interests,

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Speaker 7: and by god, it's not going to happen again.

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Speaker 1: You can either be a.

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Speaker 7: Part of the problem or a part of the solution

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Speaker 7: when we can clearly see with our eyes and clearly

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Speaker 7: here with our ears exactly what's happening with Israel and Gaza.

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Speaker 7: We're not fucking stupid. Your base is smarter, and y'all

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Speaker 7: are going to have to adapt or get the fuck out.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I love this, lady, I love I'll

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Speaker 1: confess I don't get it. You know it's not not

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Speaker 1: for me? Is the only way I would put it.

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Speaker 3: What do you disagree with it?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 3: She's going in she's cooking.

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Speaker 1: Oh the Democrats lost Centrist Yes, yes, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: It is a center policy to offer free medicare.

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Speaker 3: They run around, but that was a brilliant and the runner.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I understand that's the nice leftist critique.

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Speaker 2: Well true, MS ever doing better than when she was

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Speaker 2: talking about like price gouget and she was getting attacked

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Speaker 2: for price controls.

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Speaker 1: We could cherry pick that as if we want to

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Speaker 1: ignore some of the border crossing stuff.

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Speaker 2: That Ernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the country.

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Speaker 1: Okay, again, we will see in the field. If a

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Speaker 1: Democrat were runs and wins on decriminalized border crossings and

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Speaker 1: amnesty for everybody and bringing Leah Thomas and all those

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Speaker 1: other people back, I will happily eat my words. I

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Speaker 1: do not think that's going to happen. You're adious if

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Speaker 1: you think that it is.

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Speaker 2: But there's I mean, but that there's a difference between

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Speaker 2: economic and cultural like the reason.

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Speaker 1: But you can't ignore that.

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Speaker 3: The reason that Bernie.

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Speaker 2: Is so popular and the reason Zoran is so popular,

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Speaker 2: the reason AOC's popularity is very high now at this

601
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Speaker 2: point is because they have focused in on these economic

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Speaker 2: issues and because they freaking stand for something.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing is, like, I think so much.

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Speaker 2: Of the issue by issue checklist is the wrong way

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Speaker 2: to look at politics.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: People liked Zoron because he stood for something and he

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Speaker 2: was willing to fight for it, even when it was

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Speaker 2: uncomfortable and even when it was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna gettacked over that. And that's what Trump understood.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Trump wrin Trump is doing all kinds of

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Speaker 2: stuff that is so unpopular, ran all kinds of stuff

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Speaker 2: that is so unpopular, pardoning the j six rioters pulls

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Speaker 2: it like two percent, Yeah, but he why does.

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Speaker 3: He get away with it? He gets away with.

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Speaker 2: It because people get the feeling like, oh, he stands

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Speaker 2: for something. Now it's kind of bullshit because these whatever,

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Speaker 2: we could put that aside, but that's what is so

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Speaker 2: revolting about these like poll tested centrists, always the finger

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Speaker 2: in the air, always, everything's got to be focus grouped.

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Speaker 2: Everything is calculated and calibrated. That's what people are disgusted with.

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Speaker 2: And I think you know that's and that is the

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Speaker 2: centrist way. There was a Morning Joe clip where he

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Speaker 2: was asking Tom Swazi, who I'm actually trying to get

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Speaker 2: on the show, who I want to talk to? You

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Speaker 2: wrote an article on Wall Street Journal about Zoron, like

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Speaker 2: anti Zoron whatever. He was like how come none of

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Speaker 2: the centrists can be popular the way that Zoron and

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Speaker 2: AOC and Bernie can. And this is why it's not

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Speaker 2: even so much about exactly where they're on. They feel

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Speaker 2: like they stand for some same thing. With Jasmin Crockett,

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Speaker 2: who I have all kinds of policy issues, he feels

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Speaker 2: like she's actually.

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Speaker 3: Willing to fight for something. And that's what I'm talking

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Speaker 3: about with them.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with a word you said about that.

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Speaker 1: I just think it. I mean, we should not overread

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Speaker 1: it into being like, no, actually like trans swimmers or

639
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Speaker 1: whatever is popular.

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Speaker 3: And I just think that ran on No.

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Speaker 1: I agree, and that's smart, right. You know, mister Zoron,

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Speaker 1: who is wearing shl war kamis pointing his middle finger

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Speaker 1: up a Christopher Columbus in twenty twenty and mister Defund

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Speaker 1: the police put a suit on and stopped acting like

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Speaker 1: an idiot. And I think that's actually a smart takeaway

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Speaker 1: for a lot of future aspiring left politicians is being

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Speaker 1: a moron, you know, twitch poster or whatever and acting

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Speaker 1: like that is actually not the way to get elected. Now,

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Speaker 1: you can not disavow that. I think that's fine. You know,

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Speaker 1: most peop because then you look weak. But the emphasis

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Speaker 1: on issues is actually pretty important while it's still you know,

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Speaker 1: supposedly standing for something. And I just think misreading kind

653
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Speaker 1: of where that where that goes is an important probably

654
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Speaker 1: lesson for the left. Like you know, John Fetterman was

655
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Speaker 1: held up as this like left decided Look where that

656
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Speaker 1: all went? You know, this all this idea of like.

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Speaker 2: Dirt bag is he's like a I mean, he's like

658
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Speaker 2: literally brain damage his ideology.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but if it's the right, but they were. He

660
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Speaker 1: was celebrated for this like dirt bag identity, and it's like, no,

661
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Speaker 1: the most popular left politician in the country put a

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Speaker 1: suit on, acted like a normal guy, and spoke in

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Speaker 1: very accessible language, specifically around economic issues also while not

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Speaker 1: disavowing his ridiculous left pass. That's an important lesson, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I think that also fits with how renegade politicians

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Speaker 1: should actually look and act in the future. That's all

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm just saying, with this uh woman or

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Speaker 1: you know, this whole what's left thing, I could see

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Speaker 1: how that could also be read in completely the wrong

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Speaker 1: by a lot of people who are trying to run

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Speaker 1: for office. When in my opinion. You know, Zoron by

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Speaker 1: looking and acting and speaking in a reasonable way, which

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Speaker 1: are in some ways called unreasonable policies, made it so

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Speaker 1: that he could become elected. I would also point out

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Speaker 1: to Bernie. I mean, Bernie believes some really crazy shit,

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Speaker 1: but he speaks in a different way and has always

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Speaker 1: worn a suit. He's the consummate politician, and that's an

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Speaker 1: important lesson. I would say AOC as well. The more

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Speaker 1: that she has acted like more of a consummate politician

680
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Speaker 1: and more of an elevated type figure, that has made

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Speaker 1: her more popular amongst a democratic base outside of the

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Speaker 1: original Choppo, trap House Left Eye. That's like acting like them,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, is not the way to any sort

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Speaker 1: of electoral st.

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Speaker 2: I think, I think I hear your point. I think

686
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Speaker 2: there's also a question of like what's authentic to you?

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00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: You know, like Bernie is very like in his suit

688
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: and rumpled his hair all over the like that is Bernie,

689
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Speaker 2: you know. And Zorn felt very authentic here. And I

690
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: think you're right that the fact that he he centered

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Speaker 2: his camp paining around affordability, which was clearly the right

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Speaker 2: thing to do, and made that the centerpiece when people

693
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Speaker 2: are freaking out about oh my god, free buses, and

694
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Speaker 2: you've got like seventy five percent of New Yorkers who

695
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Speaker 2: were like, yes, free buses, Yes, exactly, And so that

696
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Speaker 2: is absolutely my theory of politics is that's why you

697
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: should put those economic issues front and center, and because

698
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Speaker 2: that is actually the center of the country when you

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Speaker 2: look at where the pollon, when you look at what

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Speaker 2: people usually vote on, so you know, it's critically important

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Speaker 2: to have credibility on those issues. And I think people

702
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Speaker 2: felt like he did and would at least fight for.

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Speaker 3: The things that he has.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with I think he's a good lesson for

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Speaker 1: all renegade politicians. Actually, is that to dress up and

706
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Speaker 1: almost act more composed than your opponents. You know, when

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Speaker 1: somebody else is talking about anti semitism and you're sitting

708
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Speaker 1: there talking about New York City, you're wearing a suit,

709
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Speaker 1: you don't seem all that unreasonable. That's actually how you win.

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Speaker 1: That's the FDR story. I mean, if you really look

711
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Speaker 1: at a lot of the people who came up from behind,

712
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Speaker 1: like the way that they do it is specifically by

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Speaker 1: kind of outclassing the competition. And so yeah, I mean

714
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Speaker 1: I think it's a very important lesson for a lot

715
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Speaker 1: of people. I do think he's gonna win. And as

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Speaker 1: long as he stays on that, and if he actually

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Speaker 1: governs in any remotely way like that, as difficult as

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Speaker 1: it will be, I think he'll be quite successful. It's

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Speaker 1: a pity for Amy's not born in America.

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Speaker 3: I know he'd be a great candidate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if he had the one within six months,

722
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Speaker 1: he should have announced and he would have been able

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Speaker 1: to do it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, let's go and talk to Israel zo

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Speaker 2: or speak about Israel. BB nine now, who was in

726
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Speaker 2: town this week for the third time, apparently just favorite

727
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Speaker 2: foreign leader come to visit again, and he had asked

728
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Speaker 2: He did a couple of interviews, including apparently a sit

729
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Speaker 2: down with the note Boys what gets it out in

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Speaker 2: a moment, But he was asked this question, this kind

731
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Speaker 2: of interesting response about whether or not dealing with Trump

732
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Speaker 2: is different than dealing with Biden, given that both of

733
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Speaker 2: them were quite willing to fund and support of genocide.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to his response.

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Speaker 9: Did it feel very different dealing with President Trump as

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Speaker 9: opposed to President Biden as well as the Democrats? Is

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Speaker 9: this a serious question. Yeah, it has been different. I

738
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Speaker 9: think everybody said that they wanted to prevent Iran from

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Speaker 9: getting nuclear weapons, but it's not what you say, would

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Speaker 9: you do, twould you do? And ultimately leaders are tested

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Speaker 9: by what they do.

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Speaker 2: And at this point, I think it's fair to say

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Speaker 2: Trump has been different from Biden because he Bobe wanted

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Speaker 2: that attack on Iran under Biden and he got it

745
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Speaker 2: with Trump. So he has gotten more of what he

746
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Speaker 2: wanted at this point under Donald Trump, and which is

747
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Speaker 2: why he you know, nominated him for the Nobel Piece.

748
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Speaker 1: Yes, definitely. Well, I mean it's all just a matter

749
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Speaker 1: of gradations, right like Biden basically backed into the Hilton

750
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Speaker 1: always said, you know, I disagree with him publicly privately,

751
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Speaker 1: but Bear hugged him in public. You know. Bbe at

752
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Speaker 1: the same time is trying to recapture you know, the

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Speaker 1: Trump basse and Maga, let's put this next one up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. Apparently we mentioned this. He chatted with

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Speaker 1: the Elk Boys again. I'm calling on the Nelk Boys

756
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Speaker 1: to release their episode immediately. We can't just be having

757
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Speaker 1: world leaders on and not release it. And also, you know,

758
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Speaker 1: hopefully asked him maybe an interesting question or two. I

759
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Speaker 1: actually do think this could be a problem for the

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Speaker 1: Milk Boys because if they just let Bebe come on

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Speaker 1: and blabber like, I think that would be a misreading

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Speaker 1: of of YouTube and of young Republicans. That's just me true,

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Speaker 1: that's my opinion.

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Speaker 3: But they're probably going to just let him.

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Speaker 1: No, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not a Milk Boys consumer.

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Speaker 1: By the way, neither.

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Speaker 2: But just to be clear, my understanding is they just

770
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Speaker 2: sort of shoot the ship.

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Speaker 1: Yea.

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Speaker 3: They have serial interviews.

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Speaker 1: They had Trump on, you know, I remember like they

774
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Speaker 1: were one of the first people to ever have Trump on.

775
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: You talked for like three hours and stupid conversation. But

776
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Speaker 1: what they don't seem to understand is if you look

777
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Speaker 1: at every prominent right wing YouTube creator, the vast majority

778
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Speaker 1: are going to have a very different take on Israel

779
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Speaker 1: than a traditional GOP politician. I can think of two exceptions,

780
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Speaker 1: which are Ben Shapiro.

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Speaker 3: That one popularity has fallen off.

782
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Speaker 1: Well, i mean, look, he's still a big show. We

783
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Speaker 1: got to give it to him. He's one of the

784
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Speaker 1: top ten political podcasts. I'm not gonna sit here and

785
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Speaker 1: say he's a nobody, But he's got some competition, uh,

786
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Speaker 1: Dave Rubin, those two, that's basically.

787
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Speaker 3: It popular fallen off one is pretty much.

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Speaker 1: If you look at and if you look at the

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Speaker 1: biggest ones, Tucker Carlson, I was just there. He let

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Speaker 1: me go off on Israel. He basically agree with me

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Speaker 1: on everything. Candice. Uh, Tim Poole, I'm not Tim is complicated,

792
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Speaker 1: I guess on Israel. But he has people on or

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Speaker 1: at least who are critical. And uh so what I

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Speaker 1: would put in point as a rising force he's on.

795
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Speaker 1: But yeah, in the online is more of a Twitter

796
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Speaker 1: thing in my opinion. But yeah, I mean he's got

797
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Speaker 1: somewhat of an audience. But my point is like, if

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Speaker 1: you look at all of those things kind of together,

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Speaker 1: it points in a pretty clear direction. All the polling

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Speaker 1: backs this up. For young Republicans. If you look at

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Speaker 1: the so called podcast Bros and all that, look at

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Speaker 1: the avon, look at Chelt, look at Rogan, I mean

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Speaker 1: not pro it's real Tim Dillon. Right, So if you

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Speaker 1: look at the audience and kind of the way that

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Speaker 1: those people are all kind of trending, it's not in

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Speaker 1: the direction of having to shoot the shit. Happy Dad

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Speaker 1: conversation with Benjamin Netanyah, that's the way I would put it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And that's why it's a big mistake in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: if you don't, if you have him on and you

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Speaker 1: just kind of let him get away with something like that.

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Speaker 1: And in the context of Epstein too. Again, you know,

812
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Speaker 1: the Epstein story is a massive story online, massive It

813
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: was entree point for millions of people into politics, as

814
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Speaker 1: Ryan said, And if you don't ask him about something

815
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: like that, I just think, I just think you look

816
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: like a total joke. Now I'm pre judging. I should

817
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: make clear. If they do, I'd be happy to say it.

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Speaker 1: I'll play, you know with the clip here on the

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Speaker 1: show No Stiniel Singer praises and the rest of you guys.

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Speaker 1: But something tells me that, at the very least, even

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Speaker 1: if they did, they're probably not going to ask the

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Speaker 1: records of follow up. So they should. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: It's like, it's not about like, oh, you shouldn't platform, No,

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Speaker 2: actually you should. I should interview any world leader, especially

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Speaker 2: one that has such a significant grip on our foreign policy. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: But then it's okay, well, what do you do in

828
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Speaker 2: that conversation, and so yeah, if they approach it like

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Speaker 2: they have their other interviews where it's just like, oh,

830
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Speaker 2: we're going to like shoot the shit and basically like

831
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Speaker 2: normalize and humanize this genuine monster.

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Speaker 3: I mean it is.

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Speaker 2: You would be hard pressed to find a bigger absolute

834
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Speaker 2: villain in my lifetime than NETANYAHUO. And so I think

835
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Speaker 2: there in some you know, in some of these people's minds,

836
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Speaker 2: there's an inability to distinguish from being like edgy and

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Speaker 2: countercultural and going against cancel culture or whatever and giving

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Speaker 2: a platform to a genuine monster who is doing a

839
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Speaker 2: genocide every single day. Like so that's that's the piece

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Speaker 2: here that just to me, it speaks to such a

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Speaker 2: sick culture that this is even a possibility. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about this with regard to the Trump administration

843
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Speaker 2: sanctioning Francesco albanies of the UN for her exposing and

844
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Speaker 2: calling the carpet companies that are complicit in this genocide,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. We've lost the ability to distinguish just basic

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Speaker 2: right from wrong.

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Speaker 3: That's what it feels like to me.

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Speaker 2: And look again, I'll look if they hold them, you know,

849
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Speaker 2: be to the fire and went like Okay, I'll fine,

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Speaker 2: I'll be happy to say good job, guys, way to go.

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Speaker 2: But I do feel like we're just in this up

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Speaker 2: is down era, Where go ahead and put the D

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Speaker 2: three up on the screen.

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Speaker 3: This is so sick to me.

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Speaker 2: US issue sanctions against UN investigator probing abuses in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: So we've had franchiscalbanies on the show. She has a

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Speaker 2: special rappertoire from the UN for the West Bank and Gaza.

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Speaker 2: She has issued a number of reports about the ongoing

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Speaker 2: genocide there that have been incredibly important. Her most recent one,

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Speaker 2: I think was in some ways the most provocative, provocative because,

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Speaker 2: as I said before, she really called on the carpet

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Speaker 2: all of the companies that are profiting from this. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're very familiar and very acquainted with the way in

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Speaker 2: which wars are profitable, and there are many individuals who

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Speaker 2: have become wildly rich off of war profiteering. Many of

866
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Speaker 2: them live within, you know, fifteen miles of where we

867
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: sit right now. I don't know that people have thought

868
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: as much about the way that this genocide is incredibly profitable.

869
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: And she talks about Palenteer, Locke, Martin, Google, Amazon, IBM,

870
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: Caterpillar supplying those bulldozers that we've seen, and so she

871
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: has really she she has really been one of the

872
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: most principled and courageous actors I think out of this

873
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: you know, entire conflict, and so to sanction that individual

874
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 2: because they dare in the specific reason is because of

875
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: her work exposing this and her support for the charges

876
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: against n Yahoo and YOUF Galant by the way, at

877
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: the at the International Criminal Court, it's just incredibly it's

878
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: incredibly sick and sager treat to PARSI was pointing out

879
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: that the same time we're sanctioning this person who is

880
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 2: genuinely trying to stand up for innocence in the world,

881
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: the US is giving a total pass to the guy

882
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: who was, you know, the Syrian leader and taking his

883
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: former you know, his terror organization off of the terror

884
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: lift and granting them sanctions, relief, et cetera. And so

885
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: this is one of the things that has been the

886
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: most sort of like I guess, spiritually disturbing to me

887
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 2: at this time is the vilification of people who are

888
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: trying to stand up for basic things like, hey, we

889
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: shouldn't be complicit and Ageno Siminus connects or on Mumdani

890
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: conversation as well, and the celebration of genuine and uplift

891
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: of like genuine terrorist racist monsters.

892
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: Well, I would just look for me. And this is

893
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: the fundamental difference is to me, why are we sanctioning

894
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: somebody who is investigating Israel. It's like that's what the

895
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: full force of the US empire is being used at

896
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 1: this point to go after Francesca Albanese for issuing reports

897
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: about the Israeli government and then and or US companies.

898
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: I mean, that's fine, but it's one of those things

899
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: where it's preposterous in this particular time to go after

900
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, the you. I mean, by the way, just

901
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: when people understand what US sanctions mean, it means you

902
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: can't do business with any bank that does business with

903
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: the United States. It's basically like being cut off from

904
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: the financial system. Is she an Italian national? Like that's

905
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: going to causse some serious issues like I don't even

906
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: know if you can have a bank account at some

907
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: of the places. You may not be able to credit card,

908
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: or you may not be able to a phone plan.

909
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: Like I'm talking just so people understand what it actually

910
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: means to be sanctioned by the United States, of America.

911
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: It's a very very serious thing. We're doing it basically

912
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: to protect somebody who is going after the Israeli government.

913
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I like Francesco.

914
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: As well, sure, you know, because yeah, but we're so involved.

915
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: Okay, Fairy, I would just put it again as like

916
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: a priorities thing, for like, this is really what deserves

917
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: sanctions when again, you know, we're going to point out

918
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: the hypocrisy of US support here now for the israelly

919
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: backed al Qaeda leader in Syria, and just broadly, I mean,

920
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: it's about the priorities. So for example, you know, we're

921
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: recently suing Harvard University for more of these like anti

922
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: Semitism allegations. I actually have that. Can we put D

923
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: five please up on the screen. The Trump administration is

924
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: attacking Harvard's accreditation and a battle against the Ivy League school,

925
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: and it's specifically about the indifferent standard for the federal

926
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: discrimination law, basically saying that they had indifference to the

927
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: safety of Jewish students on campus. Why because they allowed

928
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: people to protest the state of Israel. That is about

929
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: a hijacking of the US legal system. The only reason why,

930
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think a lot of the moralism

931
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: and all this stuff around this it doesn't hold up

932
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: because this is America, where a global empire. The Syria

933
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: thing is a perfect example. We often back dictators and

934
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: people who do horrible things around the world, like the

935
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: idea we're only going to be doing business or whatever

936
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: with moral countries. It's kind of ridiculous and preposterous. The

937
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: point then is to just have some sort of a

938
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: consistent standard about who we sanction or not. And it's

939
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: obvious here that our sanctions regime is being used as

940
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: a tool basically on behalf of a foreign country in

941
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: addition to our federal government. And I think that is

942
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: actually what is more of a bipart not biparson, but

943
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: it's an appeal that can really get two people, whereas

944
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: I mean, and again, you know, no offense to my

945
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: friends on the left, but it's like this constant like moralism,

946
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: Like people don't necessarily want to hear that whenever they

947
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: are people don't necessarily want to approach international relations that

948
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: way when it's obvious that it's not a realistic way

949
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: to conduct relations with the entirely disagree with it, because

950
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the only thing that's popular on the left. No, no, no,

951
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: most people on the right are just upset that we're

952
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: so obsessed with Israel.

953
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 3: No, but no, I don't think that's true.

954
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: Do you think it's true.

955
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's part of it.

956
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: I think it's also partly like just like a strain

957
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 2: of recent anti Semitism, of the nickquenses of the world,

958
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 2: et cetera.

959
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 3: It's true.

960
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't deny that that's an element of it.

961
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: But just let me but let me say, let me

962
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: say your reading of the American public.

963
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: I think it's totally wrong.

964
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: Because the reason that the polling on Israel has shifted

965
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: so dramatically is because even if the US government is

966
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: and has always been full of shit on any sort

967
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 2: of concern for human rights, American people were not fullish,

968
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: like they actually believed that we should be a force

969
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: for good in the world, like they actually think thought

970
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: of this country as like, you know, oh yeah, we

971
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: mess up, but in general, like we're the good guys.

972
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: We're the good guys.

973
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: And so what has profoundly changed the American public's conception

974
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 2: of Israel and of the Palestinians is seeing these atrocities

975
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: day after day after day where it's like, how can

976
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: it be our tax dollars, that our ship that are

977
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: being used for these bombs to murder babies. I'm agreeing women,

978
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: and it doesn't sound like you're What.

979
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm agreeing with is the complicit in terms of US

980
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: selling them the arms. If this was happening independently, I

981
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: actually don't think it would be nearly as big of

982
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,959
Speaker 1: a thing here, because i mean, look, there's atrocities literally

983
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: all over the world, you know.

984
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 2: But you're amazed you're talking about that as you know,

985
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: like it's the morals of it are just completely irrelevant

986
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: and saying that for most Americans that's completely I don't

987
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 2: think that's true at all. I think the morals are

988
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: incredibly central because it's so at odds with what people

989
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: want to believe about this country and the sense that

990
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: you know, in general, were like the good guys in

991
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: the world, and so yeah, I think the morality of

992
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: just like mass murder of women and children and complete destruction,

993
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: I think that is quite central to the way that

994
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: public opinion has formed.

995
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm not just what I'm trying to say is that

996
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: if it weren't for the US role in enabling it,

997
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be nearly as central of

998
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: an issue here in the United States. And that's because

999
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that there are literal atrocities

1000
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: happening all over the world. And I would also caution

1001
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: people this whole good guy narrative, that's what leads to Libya, Oh,

1002
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: we got to go and protect some Libyan civilians. Yeah,

1003
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: now we collapsed the government and Gadafi got killed. That's

1004
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: what leads to Saddam Hussein is a bad guy. Like,

1005
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: acting in that way is actually a terrible, terrible foreign policy.

1006
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: That's what responsibility to protect and all of that is

1007
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: built around it has led to some of the worst

1008
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: humanitarian disasters actually in terms of the fallout of acting

1009
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: on that way. So I would really caution people not

1010
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: to go down that path.

1011
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: That's actually even indicative in and of itself of the

1012
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: way that Americans think about these things. Because those like

1013
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 2: good instincts of like we should stop the Russians invasion,

1014
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: we should support women and girls in Afghanistan, we should

1015
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 2: make sure the Iranian people could be free, or whatever,

1016
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: those like deeply moral instincts are often weaponized to actually affect,

1017
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: like create mass chaos carnage, death and suffering.

1018
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: You know, there's no doubt.

1019
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 2: That Afghanistan would be better if we never did any

1020
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: in Iraq, you know, certainly Iran, absolutely, you know. And

1021
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: so I think that actually speaks to the desire of

1022
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: most Americans to be the good guy, to feel like, Okay,

1023
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: we're a force generally, like a benevolent force in the

1024
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: world and trying to be on the right side of

1025
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: history and so right that can absolutely be weaponized here.

1026
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: But I mean that is, that is very much at

1027
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: the center of what has caused people to change their

1028
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: views on Israel is just seeing the horror and wanting

1029
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: it to stop, and not wanting to see in their

1030
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: timeline every day another like blown up baby. That is,

1031
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: you know, blood on our hands and every tax paracy.

1032
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: I agree. I just think that the outrage is from

1033
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: me and just from what I've observed, comes down to

1034
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: tax dollars and then the diplomatic cover of the full

1035
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: force of the US Empire to enable this from happening.

1036
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: But let me just give a hypothetical. If this were

1037
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: happening without a single dollar of US support, then what

1038
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: would it be, you know, I mean, like, what what

1039
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: would the implication of that be it would lead to

1040
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: what I just describe, what we're gonna bomb Israel to

1041
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: talk about i'ld say, no, that's ridiculous, you know, like

1042
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: that that's not something that most people should do. We

1043
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: shouldn't do that on any country, because that could lead

1044
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: you to the same Libya and type of discription that

1045
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: the destruction that's happened in all these other places to

1046
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: the extent here that the like the outrage from the

1047
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: American people, which is correct in my opinion, is that

1048
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: we're not only enabling, but we're actively providing cover for

1049
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: supplying and in many cases encouraging something like this from happening.

1050
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: So that's kind of I think that the nuance is

1051
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: important there. And so you know, again ive point to

1052
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: the right, like I think a huge portion of the

1053
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: why the American right in particular has moved against this,

1054
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: and I still think this is part of the left

1055
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: critique of this as well, is look at the level

1056
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: of obsession and money and government policy that our government

1057
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: is being used on behalf of this foreign country which

1058
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: also is enabling and committing these immoral acts on an

1059
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: uncivilized nature. But it is not because it's not but

1060
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: all of it kind of traces back to the level

1061
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: of obsession and the support from US. It's not about

1062
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: the individual act itself, except in some rare cases. There

1063
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: are great humanitarians all over the world. Who are you know,

1064
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: the Congo or South Sudan or Kosovo and all these

1065
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: other things. But for example, if you go if we

1066
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: were to look back to the Serbian intervention from NATO

1067
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: that was done under the exact same terms it was.

1068
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: It was a terrible, terrible idea, It didn't work, actually

1069
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: led to pushing Russia away. I would give that as

1070
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: a great example of why we should not get involved

1071
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: if in particular, if the United States is staying out

1072
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: of it. And yes, I understand that sounds callous, but

1073
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: look at Ukraine, look at Libya, look at Kosovo, Look

1074
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: I mean Costovo. I mean it's a disaster. Look at

1075
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: what happened with Serbia, Look at Iraq, look at Afghanistan.

1076
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: Nobody's better off because of the great, you know, moral

1077
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: US Empire. So this is a caution from talking in

1078
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: these types of terms, because I've also seen it be weaponized.

1079
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you were here, but you know

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Speaker 1: I talked about how Eli Wisel's son went on Fox

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00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: News and used his father's legacy to say that we

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00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: should bomb Iran because he said, my father was always

1083
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: very upset that the United States never bombed the you know,

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00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: the death camps, and that's why this genocidal regime America

1085
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: has to come in and to Bite's like, whoa hold

1086
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: on a second. You know, we can't be you know,

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Speaker 1: putting that type a standard in terms of in terms

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00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: of how the US should operate, and so I just

1089
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: think defining the terms in terms of defining in terms

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00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: of US support, us protecting these people, also obviously blatantly

1091
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: hypocritical on all of this and trying to have some

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00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 1: sort of consistent standard of look, we do what's good

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00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: for us, and you know, yes, there's tragedy all around

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00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: the world, but at the end of the day, we're

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00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: just going to pursue our own interest. That seems to

1096
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: be the middle ground for a real American foreign policy

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Speaker 1: that most people can get behind.

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Speaker 2: In the case of Israel specifically, that's also true that

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Speaker 2: they just would not be able to do what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: With Yeah, that's also objectively correct, very true.

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00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: I mean, they couldn't fight a weather fighting a war

1102
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: in like six different fronts right now, Like you can't

1103
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: do that. They are completely shielded from the consequences of

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00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 2: their actions because of us, And so yeah, I do

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00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: think Americans are much more deeply invested in this particular

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00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: cont Number one, because the horror is just you know,

1107
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: I do think it is the worst atrocity that we have.

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Speaker 3: Seen in our lifetimes.

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Speaker 2: But number two, certainly because it's it's our bombs, it's

1110
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Speaker 2: our dollars. We are we are the baddies, We are

1111
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: the bad guys here, and I think that's why it's

1112
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 2: so you know, deeply painful to so many people, and

1113
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 2: why you've seen so much of a shift on the

1114
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 2: you know, the sort of normy liberal Democrats and also

1115
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 2: some especially among young people in the right.

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00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and let that be a good lesson because that's

1117
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 1: about the more how the most moral outcome can actually

1118
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: come from saying no. So, for example, if we didn't

1119
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: provide Israel all of the support, then they wouldn't do this,

1120
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Speaker 1: and it actually would lead to a better out.

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00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 2: You would have to run the region, you know, the

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00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: realities of themselves as a small nation and in this

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00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: region and trying to get along with your neighbors, and

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Speaker 2: you know, not piss everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Get Africa and they've got a bunch of small nations, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they fight each other sometimes. Mostly they have decent

1127
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: enough relations. Yeah, every once in a while war breaks out.

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Speaker 1: We don't go shipping weapons all around, you know, into

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Speaker 1: the region, and they figure it out for themselves. So

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Speaker 1: let them do that. There's nobody stopping. There will probably

1131
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: be better relations between Israel Iran. There would probably be a

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00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: two state solution, especially if we push things are in

1133
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: a more of a restraint minded direction, and that of

1134
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: course would lead to a more moral outcome. That's all

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is just I can see I've seen this

1136
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: road go way too far under Samantha Powers. The responsibility

1137
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: to protect doctrine, and I do always worry about setting

1138
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: some standard from the United States is having to be

1139
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: the world's policeman for good, you know, abroad, And I've

1140
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: seen that hijacked in a really in a horrible way

1141
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: in the past. So I want people to like define

1142
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: their terms around Gaza and Israel very specifically to make

1143
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: sure that it's not hijacked by somebody, you know, sometime

1144
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: in the future, because it can lead in a very

1145
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 1: very dangerous direction.

1146
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Speaker 2: That's all I was trying to say, All right, let's

1147
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: talk about Amazon.

1148
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's do it. This is the final thing

1149
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: that will end which is very important for our economy.

1150
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. And Amazon

1151
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: Prime Day sales are now off forty one percent on

1152
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: the first day. Their brand advisor says, needless to say,

1153
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a disaster there for the company.

1154
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: But it's actually kind of an interesting story if we

1155
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: think about what it means for e commerce tariffs and

1156
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: also consumerism, which is unfortunately the backbone of the United

1157
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: States economy. What they point out here is that Amazon

1158
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: took a massive gamble this year by expanding Prime Day

1159
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: summer sales to four days from two, betting that the

1160
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: extension would give quote shoppers more time to navigate millions

1161
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Speaker 1: of the deals on its sprawling store. But the stakes

1162
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: right now, the results right now are grim. Raising the

1163
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: stakes for the next couple of days. Online sales are

1164
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Speaker 1: down some forty one percent compared to the start of

1165
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: Prime Day just last year. Quote. The prolonged event has

1166
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: encouraged shoppers to actually do more treasure hunting, meaning that

1167
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: they're actually getting in some cases better deals for them

1168
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: but not good for Amazon. Consumers are browsing and loading

1169
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 1: up shopping carts but postpon pulling the trigger in case

1170
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: better deals emerge. Shorter Prime Day sales actually generated more

1171
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: urgency from shoppers who wish that they were worried they

1172
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Speaker 1: were going to miss their discounts, and broadly it shows first,

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00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: it shows a couple of things. Number one is that

1174
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: people you know, with the credit card balances, where they are,

1175
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: with the spending in the problems in the economy and

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Speaker 1: all that, where they are right now, people are pulling

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Speaker 1: back a little bit. It also shows that people are

1178
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: getting pretty desperate at a retail level to try and

1179
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Speaker 1: push inventory out the door. There's no other explanation for

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Speaker 1: why they would expand Prime Day or whatever by four

1181
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: days except for two days. So if you put those

1182
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: two things together. While yes, we have some top line

1183
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: numbers that look at you know, the job numbers look okay,

1184
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: The inflation numbers they look okay. The stock market, I

1185
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: think NASZAK yesterday hit an all time high mostly because

1186
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: of Nvidia, which is now four trillion dollars market cap.

1187
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: But underneath the surface all of those little things still

1188
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: seem to look precarious in that direction, and especially if

1189
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Speaker 1: we're speaking today as we did earlier about the tariffs

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Speaker 1: that are coming back into place from the Trump administration

1191
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: and the level of uncertainty at a consumer level. So

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00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: it's the two track story of America where like, earnings

1193
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: look good and video looks good, but then there's all

1194
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: of these weird canaries that are around that kind of

1195
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: demonstrate some caution for both the American consumer and American

1196
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: business as to their actual health. And you know, by

1197
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 1: the way, reminder at a fundamental level, like the housing

1198
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: stuff is still a disaster. You know all of that too.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, the affordability crisis continues the pace,

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Speaker 2: and it is very real and it is shaping all

1201
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 2: of our politics here in other places around the world

1202
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 2: as well.

1203
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1204
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Speaker 3: I thought one of the more telling.

1205
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: Statistics there was that people were loading up on the

1206
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 2: sort of lower purchase price to get you know, Dondish

1207
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 2: soap or whatever it is, and sort of stocking up

1208
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: on that and not doing as much.

1209
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: Of the larger purchases.

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00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: I thought was an interesting indicator there, and it does

1211
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 2: track with you can put two up on the screen.

1212
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 2: It does track with an overall slow down in online shopping,

1213
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 2: So online shopping see's biggest slowdown in over a decade.

1214
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: S Tariffs disrupt e commerce. This was a CNBC report

1215
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 2: from just a couple of days ago. They described this

1216
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: as the most disruptive period in more than a decade

1217
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 2: as a result of Trump's trade war and Tariff's policy.

1218
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: Online purchases for home delivery experience double digit year over

1219
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: year declines across major categories, including office supplies down by

1220
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 2: thirteen percentage points, sporting goods down twelve percentage points, cosmetics, furniture,

1221
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: home furnishings, large electronics each falling by ten percentage points.

1222
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: And this analyst says this is the first widespread pullback

1223
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: in the online category growth in.

1224
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 3: Over a decade.

1225
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: Groceries were the only real exception to the negative trend.

1226
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 2: So basically, since online shopping has become normalized, it's just

1227
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 2: been growing and growing and growing and growing. You're over

1228
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: here as more people switch from going to the store

1229
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 2: to purchasing from Amazon or wherever else, And so to

1230
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: see this pullback is quite a shift in trends. It

1231
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: is quite notable, and then of course fits with the

1232
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: Amazon on Prime data as again a warning sign that

1233
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: people are kind of you know, if there's a purchase

1234
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 2: they can put off, they're pushing it off into the future,

1235
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 2: wait and see what happens, you know, sort of be

1236
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 2: able to conserve their resources for in case there's an

1237
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: eventuality in the future in which they're really going to

1238
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 2: really going to need it.

1239
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and actually right now, you know, with this again,

1240
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: it's always so difficult to tell. The travel numbers are

1241
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: actually pretty good, which usually means people are doing well.

1242
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: But actually, some of the stuff that I've seen is

1243
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: that even with travel doing well, is a lot of

1244
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: it is debt finance. There's a lot of it is

1245
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: people putting stuff on credit cards. And unfortunately, you know,

1246
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: these airline businesses are more credit card companies than they

1247
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: are actual airline companies. Almost half the revenue comes from

1248
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,479
Speaker 1: credit cards and transactions. So it shows that, like that's

1249
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: not the best indicator. Gas actually is doing quite well

1250
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: as of right now, luckily despite the fact that we

1251
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: had that Iran crisis. So there are indicators in almost

1252
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: every direction. But I still think that affordability stuff and

1253
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: canaries like this are important to look at for the

1254
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: economic data. Don't remember, I don't forget that, you know.

1255
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Trump in some ways is correct about the

1256
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: Federal Reserve. It's insane that the rates are continue to

1257
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: be where they are, I mean, over six percent. I

1258
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: was looking today the average mortgage I think for even

1259
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: a seven fifty credit scores when it was like seven percent,

1260
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: which is crazy high. I mean, and it's one of

1261
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: those where actually a couple of years ago in what

1262
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: was it twenty when did the rates spike twenty twenty two, Well,

1263
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of people bought houses in twenty twenty two

1264
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: hoping to refinance at lower rates, and they believe that

1265
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: the refi would come in maybe like one year or

1266
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: two years or something like that. But they've been sitting

1267
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: there chunking money away on a you know, six seven

1268
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: percent mortgage now for like three years, which is I mean,

1269
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: that's a ton of money in terms of the amount

1270
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: of interest that you're paying to the bank. And so

1271
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: a lot of these people who were hoping and kind

1272
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: of betting on a rate cut in the future in

1273
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: real estate are stuck basically with these huge mortgage payments.

1274
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: They either have to sell at a loss or you know,

1275
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: crunch in other ways. So anyway, those are all things

1276
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: that like looking at being like I wonder, I just

1277
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: always wonder like if and when this grand experiment is

1278
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: ever going to pop. Like something about it just seems

1279
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: crazy to me that the Nasdaq hit the all time eye.

1280
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: I know yesterday, TSMC sales up forty percent, with semiconductors

1281
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: and Vidia four trillion dollars market cap. I mean that

1282
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: makes Nvidia more than like the entire United Kingdom stock

1283
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: market put together, maybe even the European Union. Actually I'd

1284
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: have to go back and look, but yeah, something about

1285
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem quite right, even with all this tariff uncertainty,

1286
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: and there's always just seems to be like some small

1287
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: thing that could push things over the edge. That's what

1288
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm what I'm personally worried about.

1289
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: The stock market seems particularly disconnected from reality.

1290
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just doesn't seem right. You know, it does

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Speaker 1: not seem right to me right now.

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Speaker 2: And apparently some of the indicators are that the large

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Speaker 2: institutional investors have pulled back from equities, but you have

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Speaker 2: retail that's very enthusiastic, and so that's part of what

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Speaker 2: has like propped up and continued the stock market growth,

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Speaker 2: and then if you look at like the dollar, for example,

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Speaker 2: or the treasury yield curve, you see a different story totally.

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Speaker 2: See sort of you know, consistent increase in the treasury

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Speaker 2: yield curve where you're having to basically pay higher interest

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Speaker 2: in order to convince people that they should hold treasury bonds,

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Speaker 2: and then you're seeing continued decline of the dollar again

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Speaker 2: and again and again. So some of the analysts I've

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Speaker 2: seen have said those may be the places to look

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Speaker 2: for more of an indication of what's really going on

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Speaker 2: versus the stock market, which seems just like disconnecting.

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Speaker 1: You're right, you know, the retail thing is a very

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Speaker 1: interesting story because retail people are buying the dip or

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Speaker 1: buy the dip, right, we'll see, are buying into the market.

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Speaker 1: But actually a lot of institutional money are in money

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Speaker 1: market funds. I just thought charged today is like seven

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Speaker 1: trillion dollars sitting in a money market just you know,

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Speaker 1: collecting for five percent interests or whatever. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: you could read that two ways, which is that once

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Speaker 1: the rates go down, they'll start buying back in. But

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Speaker 1: I don't know, there's there's a lot of weird stuff

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Speaker 1: that is happening. We wanted to give you that update

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Speaker 1: in terms of the economy, but I think that's it

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Speaker 1: for today. Thank you, thanks so much for watching. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate you. We'll have a Friday show on for you

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Speaker 1: all tomorrow, so we'll see you then