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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori

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Speaker 1: back with you, Paul Ivy with us of course. His

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Speaker 1: website is linked up at Coast to Coast am dot com.

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Speaker 1: His latest work is called the Wautico, A spell out

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Speaker 1: for you by the way w E T I Ko

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Speaker 1: Healing the mind virus that plagues our world. Paul, you

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Speaker 1: have said that Wautico is kind of a form of

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Speaker 1: psychic blindness. Explain what that means. Yeah, Well, it's the

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Speaker 1: sort of thing where because it works through the unconscious

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Speaker 1: and through the projective tendencies of the mind. You know,

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Speaker 1: we'll project onto the waking ink blot in such a

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Speaker 1: way that instantaneously, whatever however we interpret the universe or

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Speaker 1: our projections will then get reflected back to us in

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Speaker 1: such a way that we then become entrance thinking that

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Speaker 1: what we're saying objectively exists separate from us. And then

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Speaker 1: we become conditioned by our projections and we react to

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Speaker 1: them as if they're separate from us, and being like

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Speaker 1: a dream, then the dream just reflects back our point

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Speaker 1: of view in a self reinforcing feedback loop in which

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Speaker 1: we've put ourselves under a spell. That's the blindness. You

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Speaker 1: see what watico does. It has no creativity at all,

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Speaker 1: but it's a master impersonator, so it puts us on.

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Speaker 1: It will actually impersonate us, offer us this fictitious version

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Speaker 1: of ourselves because it can't have any control over you know,

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Speaker 1: when we're in our nature, when we actually remember who

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Speaker 1: we are, it has no control over us. So we

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Speaker 1: will create a stimulation of ourselves, this fictitious identity. As

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Speaker 1: soon as we identify with that, it has us because

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Speaker 1: then it can manipulate us. And if you think about

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Speaker 1: what I just said, basically, what we've done, we've actually

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Speaker 1: given ourselves away, identified with who we're not, and disassociated

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Speaker 1: from our creative agency. And that's madness. And that's what

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Speaker 1: tico is. What tico spiritual or is it truly some

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Speaker 1: kind of virus? Well, it's a spiritual it's like this.

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Speaker 1: It's it's like this mind virus whose origin is in

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Speaker 1: the psyche and whose solution isn't the psyche. But the

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Speaker 1: way it works is it actually convinces us that the

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Speaker 1: problem is outside of ourselves. So then we think that

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Speaker 1: what's happening in the world. Yeah, we have all the

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Speaker 1: evidence we need that it's very problematic, But then we

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Speaker 1: search for the solution outside of ourselves. But what Tico,

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Speaker 1: The origin of it is within our own mind. So

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Speaker 1: as long as we're distracted in thinking the problem and

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Speaker 1: that to self reflect, to really turn our attention to

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Speaker 1: what inside of us, because it's like, there's something in

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Speaker 1: us that's not us and that is not you know,

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Speaker 1: as far as our best interest. It doesn't have our

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Speaker 1: best interest at heart. And that's Watico doesn't have evil

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Speaker 1: associated with it, Paul completely. It is the source of

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Speaker 1: not just personal evil, but archetypal evil. But it's a

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Speaker 1: quantum phenomena. And what that means is that super super

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Speaker 1: It's like in the super position of states in that

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Speaker 1: it contains the deepest evil, and it has its own vaccine.

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Speaker 1: It contains its own medicine. Watico is this revelation. It's

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Speaker 1: teaching us everything we know we need to know about

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Speaker 1: who we are. But if we don't recognize what is

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Speaker 1: showing us, then it just assumes it's programmed reaction and

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Speaker 1: it kills us. So the whole thing is to what

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Speaker 1: I'm pointing at. I'm trying to help people to see

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Speaker 1: it because when we see it, when we recognize what

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Speaker 1: it's revealing to us, we take away its power and

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Speaker 1: we become empowered. I was going to say, how do

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Speaker 1: we fight it, and you just explained it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: And then also with compassion, because when you see through

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Speaker 1: the imagination that we exist as a separate self, you know,

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Speaker 1: and we don't. We don't exist separate from other people

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Speaker 1: or from the universe. But when you actually have the

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Speaker 1: recognition that we're interdependent, the energetic expression of that realization

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Speaker 1: is compassion. And compassion is the Watico dissolver our excellence, Paul,

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Speaker 1: Aren't there there's some people who are very good at this,

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Speaker 1: who can use wa tico to manipulate minds, and they

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Speaker 1: use it for their own self interests. Oh totally. I

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Speaker 1: mean we see that just you know, in the greater

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Speaker 1: because one way of describing what tico it exploits people.

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Speaker 1: So when we become victims the Wautico virus exploits us.

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Speaker 1: But when we're possessed by it, we're in a position

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Speaker 1: But if we think that they have it and we don't,

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Speaker 1: Here's my other concern to Paul. What about our children.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're an adult. Time an adult. We've got

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Speaker 1: the ability to battle what tiko. Fight it off you did,

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Speaker 1: how the adults behave and how they live, and so

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Speaker 1: we're not just doing our own work, and we're just

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Speaker 1: acting out what Tico. Because what Tico is at the

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Speaker 1: so important for each one of us, you know, to

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Speaker 1: for our stuff. You would talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: Carl Young, the great the psychologists. Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell

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Speaker 1: us about his involvement with this. Yeah, well he you know,

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Speaker 1: He just didn't have the name for it, and he

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Speaker 1: kept on calling it these different names, but the one

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Speaker 1: name he called it the most was totalitarian psychosis. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you think of out the totalitarian energy that's you know,

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Speaker 1: about what Tico it's an inner disease of the soul.

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Speaker 1: So when we have what ticico, this pathogen sets up,

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Speaker 1: and all the while the person is oblivious to it. Now,

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Speaker 1: But you know, people who are entranced by by the

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Speaker 1: Did the devil practice watico? The what the devil? The

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Speaker 1: devil is symbolically what watico is. I talk about this

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Speaker 1: in my book. Every spiritual tradition is pointing at watico.

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Speaker 1: In the apocryphal text, they talk about the counterfeitting spirit

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Speaker 1: just think about what I had said watko. It impersonates us, okay,

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Speaker 1: and so, But of course that idea of accounting fitting

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Speaker 1: its power. You've talked about Watico being a dreaming phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: we're having a collective dream, George. This is nothing other

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly you know, when I'll say whatau Tico

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Speaker 1: symbolically dreamed up Wautico in our world to reflect back

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Speaker 1: I say it's a revelation. It's actually if Wautico didn't exist,

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Speaker 1: the evolution of our species. It's a quantum phenomena. Potentially,

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Speaker 1: it has encoded within it both the highest both the

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Speaker 1: It's a self induced blindness. We're colluding with our blindness.

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Speaker 1: We are assuming, though that humankind will overcome wa Tico.

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Speaker 1: What if we can't. No, I'm not assuming anything, because

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Speaker 1: if we can't, then we're doomed. You know that. I'm

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Speaker 1: really clear about it. In my work. I continually point

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent, that's a very distinct possibility. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not any sort of new age just like this.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, everything, God's going to come and save us

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Speaker 1: and we're all awakening. Yeah we are. We are awakening

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Speaker 1: recognize what it's revealing. When you discovered this for yourself

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Speaker 1: My last book I wrote it was all about quantum

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Speaker 1: that realization, like I was saying, unlocks the most unimaginable creativity.

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