1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: your twenty four seventh home of the Black and Gold 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back to the Drive by him, 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Dale Lolly, he is, Matt Williamson and Matt. Over the weekend, 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: there was a huge trade in the NFL as Jayalen 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: Ramsey goes from the Rams to the Miami Dolphins and 7 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: what was it a third round pick or something like that? 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: Was it a third or fourth? And Hunter long, Hunter long. Yeah. 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: If people looked in looked at that said, oh, I mean, 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: first of all, there are rumors out there that the 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: Steelers were interested. They were not. Right, Jaylen Ramseys makes 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: his cap hit right now as we sit here is 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: seventeen million dollars for the Miami Dolphins. Right. Well, guess what, 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: Jaylen Ramsey's going to want a new contract with his 15 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: new team that just gave up stuff to get him. 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: And I think he's twenty eight, eight or twenty nine 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: years old. I think he's twenty nine. Yeah, So you're 18 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna be paying Jalen Ramsey basically for what he's done, 19 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: not for who he is now. Yeah, I mean he 20 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: is now still a good cornerback very much, but he's 21 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: probably I don't want Pam twenty million dollars. No, I mean, 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: I think the Dolphins are fascinating. Well, first, I don't 23 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: start the Rams. I mean, there's been many reports that 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford could be had, which that guy is a 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,279 Speaker 1: really good player, don't get me wrong, but he's old, 26 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: injured and expensive, you know, and coming off an injury. 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: You know, like, are you gonna get much from Matthew Stafford? 28 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: Now they've already said Alan Robinson can shop his wars. 29 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was taking him either. Do 30 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: you move Cup and Donald? They're the two? I just 31 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: don't know what the You know, I think I would 32 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: trade Cup in this market what you get for wide receivers. Yeah, 33 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: but he's coming off an ankle injury that required char 34 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: you know, you can ill trade him, right, so that 35 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: the gutting everything. Maybe it goes back to, well, y'all 36 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: in for to win the Super Bowl. You won the 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, But now you might stink for the next decade. 38 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: You might or you might turn these guys into picks 39 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: and hit on a quarterback. And I mean, but it's 40 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: all you got back for that guy. Was a third 41 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: round pick in David Long, I would say, I mean 42 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: you need to get a first round pick. No, I 43 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: mean then you would for Cup and Donald. I don't 44 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: think you would for Stafford. But it's gonna be ugly 45 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: for a while. I mean to me, if you're the Rams, 46 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: it's worth it. I mean, anything's worth winning a super Bowl. 47 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: But this kind of reflects on the Steelers too, like 48 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: they don't want to be that all in team, bottom 49 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: out team. They want to be in it every year. 50 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: And if you get some bounces or health or you know, 51 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: your young quarterback takes a big step forward, you're in 52 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: the hunt. And I'm more that way. You know, if 53 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: I was an owner, then sell your soul and hope 54 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: you get the super Bowl because most of the time 55 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: you don't, you know what I mean. And not take 56 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: anything away from the Rams, but that year, I'm not 57 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: even sure they were the best team in the league 58 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: that year, you know, and you look at the box too, 59 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: they're about to go through the same thing. You know 60 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: that they got a Super Bowl, so great, it's all 61 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: worth it, just like the Rams. But you know, it's 62 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: gutting time for both those teams. Yeah, and the problem 63 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: that I have with that is this, So, if you're 64 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: the Rams, you share a stadium in your city, a 65 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: city in which you are, you're kind of you're both 66 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: newcomers back to the city. And did you create enough 67 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: fan goodwill winning that one super Bowl that five years 68 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: later when you're when you're going three and fourteen, are 69 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: people still going to care? Yeah? And frankly, their fan 70 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: base isn't half as good as the Steelers or Green 71 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: Bays or many others, of course. But I also thought 72 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: the other side of that coin was they kind of 73 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: had to do that star's route team just to get attention, period, 74 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, yeah, they average roster, 75 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: solid players, does anybody care? I mean, I kind of 76 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: thought that was part of their makeup, was we better 77 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: go all in on a bunch of stars to keep 78 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: up with the Lakers, you know what I mean. But 79 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: the problem in becomes, you know, when you're not the Lakers, 80 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: when you're not winning the championship and you're not contending 81 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: year in a year out, you become the Clippers and 82 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: nobody cares anymore. Yeah, that's one hundred percent true. And 83 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: is the head coach going to come back and all 84 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: those type of things. So let's flip this to the Dolphins, though, 85 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: like they are the Dolphins and Panthers. To me, I 86 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: look at is just they are all in aggressive to 87 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: no end, maybe more so than they should be. But 88 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm intrigued with Miami. They just signed Mike 89 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: White to too much money, which you know, I mean, 90 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: you'd better have a good backup for Tuah. But they're 91 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: bringing him back on his fifth year option, which makes sense, 92 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: and I I guess it's at least a good showing 93 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: that they think that he's healthy. They have some serious firepower. Now, 94 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: I mean, that's all well and good, Matt, but I'm 95 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: looking here at their salary cap situation. It's got to 96 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: be a disaster. There was a disaster before a week ago. Yeah. 97 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: Now they're going to release Byron Jones. We know that, 98 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: but that only saves them. It saves them less than 99 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: four million dollars. And adding so you're now paying Jalen 100 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: Ramsey seventeen million dollars and as I mentioned before, he's 101 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: gonna want a new deal. He's getting seventeen million this year. 102 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: Zavian Howard counts ten million dollars against your cap. Now, 103 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: if you bring in Ramsey, Howard's gonna say like he 104 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: did when they signed Byron Jones doing a big deal, 105 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: Hey what about me? I want a new deal. He's 106 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: already shown he's that guy. They're basically the same age. 107 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: Either one of them could fall off the cliff tomorrow. 108 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: I didn't think actually, I didn't think Howard played all 109 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: that well last year. No, he was a problem, to 110 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: be honest with you. Yeah, and you also are gonna 111 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: have to pay the Christian Wilkins and Phillips and Holland. 112 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: I mean, those are the bargains on your team right now. Yeah, 113 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: they're they're kind of turning. They're paying Cedric Wilson eight 114 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: million dollars next year, are they really Cedric Wilson? He's 115 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: studying your top two receivers. Are you doing? That's where 116 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: you don't spend money. If you're gonna go with Hill 117 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: and Waddle, fine, But then your third guy needs to 118 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: be a third round pick, you know what I mean, 119 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: It needs to be a rookie. You don't spend money 120 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: on your third guy there. That's crazy, But that's where 121 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: I was going with this. Though it is Miami, they 122 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: get Ramsey from the Rams. I think they're trying to 123 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: build the rams. I think they know Armstead's expensive, Tyreek's expensive, 124 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: you know, like they have like five really pricey stars, 125 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: and they're gonna push their chips in and see see 126 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: where they fall. But that organization has been really aggressive 127 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: to say you're there. Here are their top five cap 128 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: hits for next year. Okay, Iron Jones, who's gonna get cut, 129 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: but he's still gonna be one of their top cap 130 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: hits because he's fourteen. It's fourteen point eight million dollars 131 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: to cut him against your cow. Wow. Their number two 132 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: cap pit is Emmanuel Ogbot seventeen point two million. He's 133 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: a good player, he's not a seventeen million dollar player. 134 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: No One dent And they traded a first round pick 135 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: for Chubb, who's also expensive. Actually, Chubb's a bargain for 136 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: them at seven point five. But that's gonna get expensive. 137 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: I can get expensive too, Yeah, by Ramsey seventeen million dollars. 138 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: Tyre Reek's only twelve point eight million next year, but 139 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: that price tag goes up considerably in future years. They're 140 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: paying Jerome Baker twelve point eight million dollars. The other 141 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: big carn I was sitting racking my brain. I'm like, 142 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: they have another weird contract and it's Baker and that's 143 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: odd too. So they've also been linked to Miles Sanders, 144 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: which may or not be happening today. They better win it, 145 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: I guess, is my point, and to a better stay 146 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: healthy and because they gotta pay him soon too. I 147 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: mean they're gonna they've already. They was announced over the 148 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: weekend that they're gonna pick up his fifty year option, right, 149 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: I mean, his salary this year jumps. It's nine point 150 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: six million this year. Next year it's gonna be like 151 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: about twenty two twenty three million. Yeah, I think it's 152 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: like twenty four and a half. I can look at 153 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: this now, I can update this is to tell you 154 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: so next year, Tyriko's to thirty one million dollars. Wow, 155 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb goes up to twenty six point nine million dollars. 156 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: Xavian Howard's twenty five point nine million dollars two is 157 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: twenty three point one to our Armstead is twenty point six. Yes, 158 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: that's a that's one hundred and fifty million dollars in 159 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: five players. Basically, Tireek's great, Ramsey's great, but those they're 160 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: all depreciating assets except for maybe two. I mean Armstead 161 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: Randy Hill probably had their best day in the league. Yeah, 162 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a it's an interesting roster building. 163 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: As you said, they better win it better when because 164 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: if you don't and only one team gets to We've 165 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: already talked about two teams in this show. Oh, the 166 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: Browns are clearly in it to win it this year. 167 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: The Dolphins are clearly in it to win it this year. Oh, 168 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: by the way, the Chiefs are in it to win 169 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: it this year. The Bills are in it to win 170 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: it this year when they're Steeler fans. Believe it or not, 171 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: the Steelers are in it to win it every year. 172 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: That's their plan. Well, if you even just focus on 173 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: the AFC East, I mean, I'm sure Jets fans are 174 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: losing their mind right this second. About Aaron Rodgers. I mean, 175 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: he needs to, you know, get off the pot or 176 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: make something happen. But assuming he's a Jet, Miami still 177 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: might be the third best their division. They're just showing 178 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: now the top available free agent remaining at quarterback, it's Brissette, 179 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater, Andy Dalton, Gardner, Minshew. So if the Jets 180 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: don't get Aaron Rodgers, right, you have problems that might 181 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: be Zach Wilson or I mean like her Mayfield, you know, 182 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: or you maybe Stafford. I don't know, a whole bunch 183 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: of yuck. Yeah, I mean it seemed very clear to 184 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: me when we were to combine, and several people said this. 185 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: And it's not like I uncovered great news or anything, 186 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: but it was the Jets felt very confident that Rogers 187 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: that doesn't work out, We'll get a car that doesn't 188 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: work out, We'll get Jimmy Well, right, you don't have 189 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,599 Speaker 1: any parachutes anymore. Yeah, it's it's it's interesting. So my 190 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: question to you, Matt, is is it worth it really 191 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things? For what were six 192 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: or seven teams to do this every year? To go 193 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: in and we're on winning the Super Bowls year spend 194 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: like you like you're a drunken sailor on lead for 195 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: the first time in six months, but only one team 196 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: gets to win it, right, And then you got to 197 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: pay the piper. Then you're paying Deshaun wants in sixty 198 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: three million dollars next year against for third round pick, 199 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: and you're giving you then you're giving guys away and 200 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, doing those kind of things. Again, there have 201 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: been other teams in New Orleans. Saints have been in 202 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: it to win it, right, and it hasn't gone well. 203 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: And it hasn't they haven't won it. I'm more of 204 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: the Steelers model, but especially with a and I'm you know, 205 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: picking on the Steelers because they apply here too. But 206 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: when I have a quarterback that's cheap, though, I am 207 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: in favor of taking some more shots. I mean it's, 208 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: you know, the Bills are done with that, the Bengals 209 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: are about to be done with that, you know, and 210 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: the Steelers builds a little different because it's their shots 211 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: are keeping their own. The Watts, the Manca's the Haye word, 212 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, where if if those guys didn't exist and 213 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: you went outside the organization to sign Minca or Watts 214 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: out of Bay All four, you know what I mean? 215 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: Like yeah, so you know. So I'm not saying the 216 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: Steelers should spend like drunken sailors, but I get it 217 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 1: more so when your quarterback's cheap, which brings me back 218 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: to the Browns, who's isn't. Yeah, the problem becomes with 219 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: the with the way the teams are now doing this. 220 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: That cheap quarterback the only last about three years, right, right, right, 221 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: and it takes you two years and know if he's 222 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: good or not. Right. That's hence the problem with with 223 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: the you know, building that way, Um, you know you 224 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: do need the quarterback to be good. There's also the 225 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: theory out there now, and I've seen this one while 226 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: you just draft a quarterback, you don't pay him the 227 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: big money, You let them go somewhere else and you 228 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: draft another one. We haven't really seeing anybody do that, right, 229 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: But that's I've seen that theory floated out there, well, 230 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: that that somebody's going to pay that quarterback first of all. 231 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: So to try to recycle every year, or recycle your 232 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: quarterback every three or four years, I mean, like the Eagles, 233 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: tell me where you can who's going to be able 234 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: to do that? I say the Eagles are the only 235 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: one I can think of that kind of pulled it off. 236 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: But they also had the bunch spensive line in the league, 237 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: god or A. J. Brown and DeVante Smith it's and 238 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: they still they didn't win. They didn't win the Super 239 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: Bowl the second time around, No, right, and they might 240 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: next year. I mean they're still a good team, of course, 241 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: I mean they're Yeah, it worked out for them. They hit. 242 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: They're going to lose more of this offseason than the 243 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: game because they're gonna have to pay the quarterback. I 244 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: say it hurts his due soon. I mean he's going 245 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: to be in the same borough neighborhood, you know. So 246 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: it's it's it's Harry. I mean, there's no doubt about it. Yeah, fans, 247 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, and I get it your fans and you 248 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: want to try to you know, are you know they 249 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: should spend this. They should do that, They should do 250 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: there's money involved, Like I saw, I saw Steeler reporters 251 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: beat reporters who should know better. I'm talking about what 252 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: a great deal this was for the Dolphins to go 253 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: out and get get Patrick Ramsey. Wow, that was that 254 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: was really cheap to get Patrick Ramsey. Well, it wasn't cheap. 255 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: It's gonna cost them seventeen million dollars to get Suctlary Cap. 256 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: And again he's going to want a new deal, right. 257 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: I mean the days of two first round picks for 258 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: Jamal Adams are gone, you know, like or Khalil Mack. 259 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: You know, even if they're good and you've got to 260 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: give up serious picks and pay the player. You almost 261 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: never win in that, and I think the league's starting 262 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: to catch on. I mean, it'd be different if it's Lamar. 263 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, quarterbacks of their own world. But 264 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, whenever you trade a quality near thirty year old, 265 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: now you're gonna get the third round pickback because that 266 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: team's buying and it is paying much more than a 267 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: third round pick and Hunter Long for Ramsey, Yeah, I mean, 268 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: is roster bonus U next next year? He's he's eighteen 269 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: point five million against their captain, and you are you 270 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: gonna pay him at thirty more than than you're paying 271 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: Minka Fitzpatrick, right, right, right, Because when you do something 272 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: like that, and the Steelers have been very good about 273 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: this over the years, they don't make a signing like that. 274 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: They don't. They don't go out and sign Byron Jones 275 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: deal that's worth more than what Xavian Howard's getting, because yeah, 276 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: then Xavian Howard wants a new contract. Well, hey, wait 277 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: a second, I've put a good soldier here for you guys, 278 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: right right right, So nobody in their secondary he's going 279 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: to get more money than make of Fitzpatrick. The Steelers 280 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: are great about that, but that was one of the 281 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: beauties of Brady in New England. Well, I'm taking a 282 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: little less and Seymore's that's all well and good, but 283 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: we don't all have supermodel wives who are making one 284 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars you know that right to pass on 285 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: that money. Yeah, but people can't look at you know, 286 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: who's gonna go to Belichick and be like I need 287 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: paid more than Brady, Like, well, build U pay more 288 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: than Tom you know. I mean, it's just not happening. 289 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: Like two years from now, is Jayalen Waddle is still 290 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: going to be a Miami Dolphin? No? Probably not. I 291 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: won't be able to afford him. No, I mean, does 292 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: they're paying Tyreek and let's they want to cut Tyreek 293 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: h I mean like the Bengals. I've heard a lot 294 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: of conversations about te Higgins too, Like if I'm the Bengals, 295 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm trying to win it this year and I don't 296 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: have to pay those guys yet. So he's probably off 297 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: the market. But you could also make a really strong 298 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: case like Brandon Aiyuk is in this neighborhood too, where 299 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: you're kind of the two on your team and you're 300 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: still cheap that you might want to catch that guy 301 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: out for the Giants first and second round pick or 302 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, or because you get a 303 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: two for those guys and they're really good, which is 304 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: what the Steelers will but Chase Claypole exactly right. I mean, 305 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: they're worth more than Claypole. I mean t Higgins ideally. 306 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: But again, you know, if you're you're the team is 307 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: getting him and you got to pay him, right, you know, 308 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: you gotta be, you gotta be. Gary. She's pretty sure 309 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: that guy's going to sign a new deal an extension 310 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 1: with you, right, and imagine what the Higgins would make 311 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: on the open market right now? I mean, yeah, Kobe 312 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: Myers is making and he's gonna be the highest paid receiver. 313 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: You know. It's it's interesting, to say the least. I 314 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: find it fascinating to see how this is all going 315 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: down in the league. And uh, I honestly, Matt, I 316 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: don't know where it ends. I don't know. I don't either. 317 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: I mean, luckily, the league is thriving and the cap 318 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: keeps going up, and we're gonna have fifty million dollars 319 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: quarterbacks everywhere and all those things are great. But the thing, 320 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: to your point is if fans don't think about is 321 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: how does the cap all fit together next year the 322 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: year after, things of that nature, and how does the 323 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: locker room? You know, you just keep bringing in expensive dudes. 324 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: People look around like, hey, I'm up here and for 325 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: my contract, and you'd like to reward your own. I 326 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: mean that sends the right message to the team. Like, 327 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: for example, the the Panthers going from nine to one, 328 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: I think they overspend, but they at least gave themselves. 329 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: They still have their second. This year they trade the 330 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: nine or second, they still have their second this year, 331 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: they still have a second or first in the next 332 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: upcoming drafts. They have like twenty five million cap space 333 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: now and they're gonna have like the most cap space 334 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: in the league a year from now. So did they 335 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: overspend for a quarterback? I think so. But if they 336 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: can weather this year and their quarterback looks like a hit, 337 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we'll be talking about the Panthers 338 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: of they're like the Bears. They're out there buying McGlinchey 339 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: and Hargrave and you know all these you know, these 340 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: these type of guys. So at least give yourself some outs, 341 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: like I don't think the Dolphins have any outs. Yeah, 342 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: that's my problem. I don't like the going all in, 343 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: you know again, to do that is nice and maybe 344 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: win thirteen games this year, but there's only going to 345 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: be one team that wins the super Bowl. And when 346 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: you don't win it as a fan base going to 347 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: be happy when you go when you go four and 348 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: thirteen and don't win the Super Bowl the year before, 349 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: because you gotta be you gotta blow it all up, 350 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: said Jacksonville model. Yeah, exactly, Jans in Jackson You know, 351 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: Jack's a twenty seven team was a long time ago, right, 352 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: and they haven't won since and they had to blow 353 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: it up. This is a Major League Baseball where you know, 354 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: the Florida Marlins go out and win, win a World 355 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: Series and then trade away all their players and ten 356 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: years later they're back in the World Series. And oh, 357 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: I'll look at that. What a great story. Like ten 358 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: years in the NFL, Like, if you're you're one of 359 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: these markets that that isn't rabid about your team, people 360 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: will forget about you pretty quickly. Yebe you've been playing 361 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: in front of empty stands and again it's that's three 362 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: coaching changes and missing on Yeah, you know, guys lose 363 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: their jobs over that stuff. Yeah, and you mentioned baseball. 364 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: I was gonna go down that road too. And not 365 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: like there's not injuries and other sports. But when you 366 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: go all in on like five dudes like the Rams did, 367 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: the Rams were the Rams and Broncos were the two 368 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: most injured teams in the league this year, and it 369 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: showed different Rams, I mean obviously, but like the five 370 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: years before that, they were remarkably healthy. You know, Like, 371 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: and I keep coming back to Miami like two is 372 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: durability is a massive problem, and he's still the most 373 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: important guy in the team, even if you surround him 374 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: with Ramsey and Tyreek and whoever else. People get hurting 375 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: a sport. That's all I'm saying. Now, now you're backup 376 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: is Mike White exactly exactly and you're thrilled about it? 377 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: Apparently they, I mean, must have been the plane again. 378 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: People in Pittsburgh were going crazy over the mitstr Bisky contract, 379 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: what he's going to cost him this year, Mike White 380 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: signed the same deal basically right with very little on 381 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: his resume. Strange, I don't know. The league's bonkers and 382 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: it's hard to keep up. But people who don't look 383 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: at every angle either do they just look at boy, 384 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: they got that good player cheap. Yeah, we're throwing this 385 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: on Madden, right right, right, yeah, this is he just 386 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: trade the guy away at the end of the year 387 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: and everything's fine because nobody there's no locker room that's 388 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: gonna grumble about it. It's the same people. The wonder 389 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: they there's you know, Cam Cam Hayward counceled a lot 390 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: of money against for the Steelers this year. They should 391 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: probably just trade him, you will kind of message that 392 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: sends in your locker room, a trade of that guy, 393 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: right yeah, if winning is an important to you long term, 394 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: then go ahead and do that. It's not Madden again. 395 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: I don't know. The league's getting more madness though. I 396 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: mean everyone's on the block. People can move left and right. 397 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: I mean there's more trades. It's more fun to cover 398 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: than ever. But I wonder what we're really learning, you know, 399 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: what's what's the best way truly to win this in 400 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: this league? And today's a great way to talk about 401 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: that because it's the big busiest free agent day of 402 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: the year, of course, but because of all this craziness. 403 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: When the dust settles, even twenty four hours from now, 404 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,719 Speaker 1: you're gonna get good deals. Without a doubt, there's gonna be. 405 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: I guarantee you. By Tuesday night, some some website out 406 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: there is going to put put out winners and losers 407 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: of the of the free agency. You know, and and 408 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: and you know that fan base whoever the winner is 409 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: is gonna be doesn't translate. I have You don't see 410 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: teams continue can consistently buy a championship in the NFL. No, 411 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: it's really really hard, it really is. I mean the 412 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: Rams were the exception. Yeah, and I wonder how the 413 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: GM is feeling now about when he's talking about you know, 414 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: just well, I'm not gonna say what he said, but basically, 415 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: screw those picks. We don't need those draft picks right 416 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: all right. I think you'd like to have some of 417 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: those draft picks right now, of course, And hey, they 418 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: got a right, but they easily could not have as well. 419 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a fine line, 420 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: as Bill Cower used to say, and it still is 421 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: in this league. 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