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Speaker 1: Welcome back to forties and free Agents.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal, joined as always by my friend Daniel

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Speaker 2: Jeremiah aka Move the Sticks aka the man going through

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Speaker 2: all the college tape to get ready for the NFL

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Speaker 2: scouting combine, but not before taping this show where he

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Speaker 2: can brag about drafting the Seahawks before the season. In

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Speaker 2: our who will be the Super Bowl Champion draft? You

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Speaker 2: are the real champion here, DJ E one, Well, I.

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Speaker 3: Had totally forgotten about that, so you could have just

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Speaker 3: that slide I would never have remembered. But I can't

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Speaker 3: take It's like you can't take pride when you took

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady in the sixth round and plained about how

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Speaker 3: smart you are when it comes to the draft.

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Speaker 1: So hey, you got him.

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Speaker 2: I think they were your eighth overall pick in the

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Speaker 2: NFC or something like that. But it does go to

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Speaker 2: show what a surprising Super Bowl it was. I'd sort

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Speaker 2: of lost sight of that, but when I saw a

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Speaker 2: stat after the fact that in terms of Vegas odds,

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Speaker 2: they were the fourth longest shot to win a championship

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Speaker 2: in terms of preseason odds of any sport in the

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Speaker 2: last forty years, something absolutely outrageous like that, and they

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Speaker 2: get it done, and they get it done and convincing fashion.

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Speaker 2: We're going to do I don't know if you have

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Speaker 2: any quick thoughts on the Super Bowl. We can have

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Speaker 2: a little bit of that little Patriot Seahawks autopsy looking ahead,

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Speaker 2: because we did that for every team, and then we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk wide receivers a little later in the draft,

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Speaker 2: maybe just some overarching thoughts from you, and then I'll

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Speaker 2: give you for the first time my free agency wide

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Speaker 2: receivers ringing. So that's all coming up on forties and

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Speaker 2: free agents. But I don't know if I don't know

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Speaker 2: if in your league circles, the important people you talked

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Speaker 2: to had any big takeaways.

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Speaker 4: No, I might, we'll go off people that I talked to.

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Speaker 3: But I was thinking of this analogy, like just as

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Speaker 3: we've talked about this Super Bowl for the last few

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Speaker 3: days and gone back through it, and I was thinking

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Speaker 3: of the before the Super Bowl, of all the different

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Speaker 3: paths that the Seahawks had to win and how narrow

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Speaker 3: the path was, and I was just reminded of like

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Speaker 3: that felt like an election night where you have a

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Speaker 3: network that's trying to hold out hope for one side

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Speaker 3: and they're like they put up like here's the ten

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Speaker 3: states that are remaining. If they just win these nine,

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Speaker 3: like they they can win, they can still win.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was like that was there was so

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Speaker 3: many ways Seattle was just so much better. And it

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Speaker 3: would have had to been like I talked about, like

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Speaker 3: Milt Williams would have had to just have this unbelievable

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Speaker 3: dominant performance against Bradford, who's their weeklink on the office line.

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Speaker 4: Guess what he did.

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Speaker 3: He did great, He did everything he could, and it's

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Speaker 3: it didn't matter because there were so many other avenues

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Speaker 3: that the Seahox had to victory and they were just

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Speaker 3: so much better.

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Speaker 2: I haven't punished myself by going through the TV tape

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Speaker 2: of it yet or the coach's tape of it yet

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Speaker 2: for that matter. So it was just a live all

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Speaker 2: twenty two. But you're right in in absolute mismatch, and

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Speaker 2: you know, part of an era. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it's going to be an era, but at least a

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Speaker 2: time where the defense is after years and years of

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Speaker 2: just like offenses pushing forward, pushing forward, fighting back a

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Speaker 2: little bit did feel like a little bit more of

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Speaker 2: a defensive year, and I thought. Kyle Shanahan said it

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Speaker 2: well on the NBC pregame show, where he thought, like, look,

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Speaker 2: there were two defenses all season, Houston and Seattle, where

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Speaker 2: I thought, those two can just win the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: on their own if their offense and special teams just

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Speaker 2: of defenses like that, So I'm curious if there gott

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Speaker 2: to be a lot of people around league getting in

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Speaker 1: Up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my other takeaway, and we can move

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Speaker 3: on to these teams in the autopsy part of it.

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Speaker 3: But like Houston just must have felt so sick to

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Speaker 3: Think we kind of got robbed as fans and viewers

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Speaker 4: In terms of a defensive football like that would have been.

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Speaker 3: That would have been a nine to six game, but

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Speaker 3: it would have been a riveting nine to six game

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Speaker 3: that would have been very, very physical, very violent.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a much more entertaining game than

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Speaker 2: I like watching good defense and seeing that live. To me,

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Speaker 2: it's a super Bowl, It's always going to be interesting.

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Speaker 2: There was still jeopardy there. But forget just Texans fan.

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Speaker 2: I think that Jaguars team was awesome, and I know

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Speaker 2: they did it in a different way, but they could

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Speaker 2: have made it like the Josh Allen has to be

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Speaker 2: watching that and kicking himself. And then Broncos Seahawks would

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Speaker 2: have been a hell of if they had bo Nicks healthy.

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Speaker 2: We had Garrett Bowles on the set during the Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl week and he just said it a handful of times, well,

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Speaker 2: we win that game if bo Nix is healthy. We

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Speaker 2: should have won the game without bo Nicks healthy. And

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Speaker 2: you know what, all these cry babies in the AFC,

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Speaker 2: you know the Patriots didn't make it. Well, they did

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Speaker 2: make it. You know, they won the games in front

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Speaker 2: of them whether whatever. They're ahead of schedule. Let's let's

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Speaker 2: get into the autopsy for the Patriots. Both these teams

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Speaker 2: are in exceptional shape. This is not the case of

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Speaker 2: all the playoff teams we went through after they got eliminated.

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Speaker 2: But both teams have a ton of cap space, have

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Speaker 2: good picks. The Patriots in particular forty two million dollars

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Speaker 2: in cap space. That's only the eleventh most, which is

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Speaker 2: a sign there's too much cap space. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: lot of Day three picks. Otherwise they just have their

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Speaker 1: Ninety fifth.

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Speaker 2: When when you kind of look at them over arching,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for me with the Patriots, it's, you know, finding

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Speaker 3: a go to number one option.

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Speaker 4: That can win, you know, on the outside.

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Speaker 3: And I think Diggs at this point in time in

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Speaker 3: I think you need to upgrade there. Finding just a

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Speaker 3: where I would start. And then to me, getting you

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Speaker 3: know more edge rush, continue to load up that defense.

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Speaker 3: I think this offensive line is going to grow. You need,

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Speaker 3: you know, see what happens with Will Campbell going forward,

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Speaker 3: is you know, you know, trying not to be too

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Speaker 3: think would be would be a good.

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Speaker 4: Way to go. But man, they're they're they're in pretty

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Speaker 4: good shape, you know.

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Speaker 3: I just think getting a number one guy, I felt

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Speaker 3: Stadiu because sometimes you can feel it, but it felt

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Speaker 3: so constricted. They were just playing kind of half court,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was probably the most disappointing thing was that

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Speaker 2: they almost played like they knew they were overmatched, Like

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Speaker 2: they were a little too conservative, you know, in the

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Speaker 2: decision making, both May and the play calling. And you're

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Speaker 2: break down. Campbell, do you think guard makes you know,

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Speaker 2: it is a realistic conversation. I don't think it's offensive

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Speaker 2: Of course, when he played Miles Garrett, Miles Garrett got

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Speaker 2: well Miles Garrett hadn't even better game against Bill Campbell

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Speaker 2: does worry me a little bit that when he played

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think to look, he's still young, and

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Speaker 4: Better along the offensive line.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, I don't think it's a I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's a strong conversation, but I think it's something

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Speaker 3: I would rather make the move earlier than later, exactly

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Speaker 3: do it now, because I mean Robert Gallery's kind of

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Speaker 3: your top five pick, how can we Well, I'd rather

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Speaker 1: You know, how about how about Zach Martin? How about

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Speaker 1: uh not Tyron Smith? Tyler Smith? Didn't Tyler Smith play tackle?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of those guys, I mean, Logan Mankins,

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Speaker 3: we can go on, but this is not those guys

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Speaker 3: that's the difference.

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Speaker 2: But Zach Martin, that would be I mean more than

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Speaker 2: a best case scenario, but that that was a pretty

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Speaker 2: high pick. That was a first round pick who moves.

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Speaker 2: They kind of use them where they needed to as

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Speaker 2: a rookie. We'll see. I tend to guess that they're

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Speaker 2: you mentioned Diggs. I'm not one hundred percent assuming he's

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Speaker 1: I think he will be back.

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Speaker 2: But if people forget he essentially signed a three year

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Speaker 2: less no penalty. They save that money if they they

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Speaker 2: get to make that decision each year. I think they

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Speaker 2: will keep them because I think they like what he

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Speaker 2: added to the team. He made a lot of big

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Speaker 2: they think that is a decision that they'll have to make. Otherwise,

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Speaker 2: though they almost have no key free agents, they're in

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Speaker 2: a good spot. Calebon Chason's a guy who will you know,

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Speaker 2: be attractive in free agency.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they bring him back, maybe not.

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Speaker 2: They're they're starting safety Jalen Hawkins, who played pretty well

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Speaker 2: I'm going to have Mina on NFL Daily And I

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Speaker 3: The families of the families have kind of merged together.

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Speaker 2: The Seahawks seventy three million dollars in cap space. They

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Speaker 3: Players turned out, same guy. Why you were just talking.

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Speaker 1: All they got to do is take off one of

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Speaker 2: Oh I know where I stand in in DJ's heart.

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Speaker 4: That's amazing. All right.

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Speaker 2: Well, you just mentioned Mina. I mean, I don't want

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Speaker 1: I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: I just assume he's going to go elsewhere. With all

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Speaker 1: It's one year. They need interior offensive line help. I

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Speaker 3: By the way, if you cover a team, any of

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Speaker 2: there's only like six free agents everyone's heard of, and

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Speaker 2: Usually that's not a guy that you see get out there,

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Speaker 3: know that they would have had him locked up. And

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Speaker 3: they declined the fifth year option right because that's the

440
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Speaker 3: overall offensive line and they feel like that puts the

441
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Speaker 3: number two high for an interior player. So I get that,

442
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Speaker 3: But I mean, if I'm Linderbaum's camp, how do you

443
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Speaker 3: not get to the market.

444
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Speaker 4: I mean whatever they're going to give you.

445
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Speaker 3: Now, there's cap space up the wazoo across the whole league,

446
00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,240
Speaker 3: and it's not a know that market of interior offensive lineman.

447
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:13,639
Speaker 3: You're the bell of the ball, Like, I'd want to

448
00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,320
Speaker 3: get out there to the market and see what it

449
00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:15,720
Speaker 3: looks like.

450
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there aren't that many players that this happens to

451
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,679
Speaker 2: every year. It's really just a handful. One of them

452
00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,639
Speaker 2: last year was Milton Williams, like a guy who was

453
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Speaker 2: successfully developed.

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Speaker 1: I know, linder Bombs hadn't even a more.

455
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Speaker 2: Decorated career, but just because of some sort of technicality,

456
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Speaker 2: Because you're right, I think if the fifth year option

457
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,399
Speaker 2: was just reguards, they would have just given it to him.

458
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Speaker 2: But because it's left tackle and the number was so high,

459
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Speaker 2: he might actually get out there. Let's take a break

460
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Speaker 2: and then we're going to come back. DJ asked me

461
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Speaker 2: to start breaking my rankings on this very show, so yes,

462
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,840
Speaker 2: for the first time, you can all hear my wide

463
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Speaker 2: receiver free agent rankings.

464
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Speaker 1: And we'll talk a little draft too after the break.

465
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Speaker 1: Let's talk wide receivers.

466
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Speaker 2: You know the position that Daniel Jeremiah struggled to throw

467
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Speaker 2: to as a college quarterback.

468
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Speaker 1: He just like running the ball. He just wanted to

469
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Speaker 1: keep the ball in his hands.

470
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Speaker 4: I wanted to throw it. I just wasn't very good

471
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Speaker 4: at it.

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Speaker 1: Dual threat quarterback though, right, Who were you ranked ahead of?

473
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Speaker 4: Again, who was I ranked ahead of?

474
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Speaker 2: I mean some big names you were? You were up there?

475
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Speaker 2: You were up there high though, on the on the rankings.

476
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Speaker 4: Yeah for high school. Yeah, high school. It was good. College. Yeah,

477
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Speaker 4: that's what you want to know about when I went

478
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Speaker 4: to college.

479
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Speaker 3: I'll give you this is what everybody wants to hear.

480
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Speaker 3: But my freshman, my red shirt freshman year, I think

481
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Speaker 3: I broke the rookie or the freshman passing record. I

482
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Speaker 3: think in Northeast Louisiana before I transferred upstate, and it

483
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Speaker 3: was I think I was like fourteen hundred yards fifteen

484
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Speaker 3: hundre yards. I think about that, like, because freshmen didn't

485
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Speaker 3: play in college football, and that's.

486
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Speaker 1: Like one hundred and fifty yards per game. Did you

487
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Speaker 1: how many games did you start?

488
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Speaker 4: I think it started the last seven games.

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Speaker 1: Okay. And what's the nickname there, the Northeast Louisian Well, well.

490
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Speaker 3: They used to be the Indians and now they're the Warhawks.

491
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Speaker 4: Maybe, okay, don't even know.

492
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm all for peaking in high school

493
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six Massachusetts State champions minute Chog Regional Falcons.

494
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Speaker 1: In tennis, you know.

495
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Speaker 4: I was nineteen. I was class of ninety six as well.

496
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Speaker 2: I was ninety seven. But we got back to the

497
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Speaker 2: finals in ninety seven. We lost in the finals.

498
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Speaker 4: I think there was more of that story, that's right.

499
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Speaker 2: We lost in the finals in ninety seven. I won

500
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Speaker 2: my match, not you know, but you know, it's a

501
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Speaker 2: team sport. Let's talk receivers before I get into my ringings,

502
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Speaker 2: maybe an overview on the wide receivers in this class.

503
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 2: I know people are ready to start hearing DJ just

504
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Speaker 2: go full barrel with college stuff. We're going to do

505
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Speaker 2: a full offensive Combine preview next week. I was thinking

506
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Speaker 2: about as I was starting to broadcast the Super Bowl

507
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Speaker 2: for Talk Sport, which so much fun. I was thinking,

508
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 2: two weeks from this very moment, my plane will be

509
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Speaker 2: landing in Indianapolis. That that's how quick this offseason is.

510
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 2: So we're gonna be at the Combine soon. Who are

511
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Speaker 2: your wide receivers you're looking at and just kind of

512
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Speaker 2: the overall class.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good group.

514
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Speaker 3: It's a good group, and I think it's going to

515
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Speaker 3: be that way, you know, in perpetuity going forward. Like

516
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Speaker 3: it's just there's wide receivers every single year, and there's

517
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 3: there's all different flavors from you know, outside guys like

518
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 3: Carnel Tate from Ohio State, Jordan Tyson from Arizona State.

519
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Speaker 3: I for me, my favorite receiver in the whole class

520
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 3: is Mikayle Lemon, who's a slot receiver out of USC

521
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 3: who's got a lot of that you know, USC think

522
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Speaker 3: about aman Ross Saint Brown coming through there. If you're

523
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Speaker 3: trying to find the next JSN who has that kind

524
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Speaker 3: of body type and build almost like a running back,

525
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Speaker 3: he kind of fits that.

526
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Speaker 4: Bill.

527
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Speaker 3: Then you want to go all the way through with

528
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Speaker 3: Denzel Boston from Washington, who's a big physical guy.

529
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Speaker 4: You get another one out of Notre Dame.

530
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Speaker 3: And Malachi Fields, Like if you want those power forward types,

531
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Speaker 3: you got those. And we've got a bunch of little

532
00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 3: slots that are real dynamic and explosive Casey concepts. She

533
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 3: owns it can absolutely fly from Texas, A and M.

534
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 3: So there's a there's a really really good group of whiteouts,

535
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Speaker 3: Greg And the fun part for me is like this

536
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 3: early part of the process, you kind of go through

537
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Speaker 3: all the tape and I always talk about getting these

538
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 3: guys in kind of the right neighborhoods, think about like

539
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: clumps of players and then you can get them in

540
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Speaker 3: the right house as we go through the rest of

541
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Speaker 3: the process and trying, you know, really separate those ties.

542
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Speaker 3: But I can't remember the last time I didn't have

543
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: so many, you know, clumps, Like every year there's these

544
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Speaker 3: clumps of man, there's like four these bigger six four

545
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 3: wide receivers, and then there's also another clump here, these five,

546
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Speaker 3: you know, pure slot receivers. So if you need a

547
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Speaker 3: wide out and the free agency group that Greg's getting

548
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 3: ready to go over it, doesn't, you know, super excite you.

549
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Speaker 4: You're gonna have an opportunity to get some of the

550
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Speaker 4: draft And.

551
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Speaker 2: There's so much depth, Like how many were in your

552
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Speaker 2: top fifty? I don't know if you know that if.

553
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Speaker 4: Ten, I think ten or eleven? I think I had

554
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Speaker 4: ten or eleven of them, And.

555
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Speaker 1: That feels like a lot.

556
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Speaker 2: And yet when when you look back at the last

557
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Speaker 2: four drafts, which position had the best value in the

558
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: second and third rounds, it's it's very often receivers, like

559
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: they could have gone even higher so many times. And

560
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that doesn't happen at other positions, but

561
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Speaker 2: I think the hit rate in rounds two and three

562
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Speaker 2: at receivers, you've gotten some super duper star players, including

563
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Speaker 2: one of the guys you know we're going to talk

564
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Speaker 2: about maybe on the on the trade block, aj Brown.

565
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Speaker 2: I mean, like, guys, guys are falling too far? All right,

566
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Speaker 2: let's get into it. It wide receivers. To me, there's

567
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Speaker 2: two guys tiered above, and I'm not including the cut

568
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Speaker 2: guys or the trade guys.

569
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Speaker 1: We can mention those quickly at the end. It's George

570
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Speaker 1: Pickens and Alec Pierce and.

571
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Speaker 4: Maybe most of those now only one of them.

572
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Speaker 2: Well, it's not official, and I wanted to mention Pickens

573
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Speaker 2: who the reports are.

574
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to get the franchise tag.

575
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Speaker 2: There are also reports from our our insiders and I

576
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Speaker 2: would never dealt Ian Rappaport and Pallisero and Garfolo that

577
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: he could be traded, and they they noted in this

578
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: post that comes out on Super Bowl. Hey, uh, we've

579
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Speaker 2: seen David Mullagetta ca get traded by the Cowboys before

580
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 2: you know it happens. And then you look at their

581
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: cap situation. They're like thirty million dollars over the cap.

582
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 2: They might feel like they're selling high. So I think

583
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: he might be a conversation or at least they're going

584
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: to use that as leverage in terms of giving him

585
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: the money. He's an interesting guy to be giving a

586
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: monster contract too, because you might be buying high.

587
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Speaker 1: You know, the Cowboys got him for very little last year.

588
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Speaker 1: Does he fit with CD Lamb?

589
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Speaker 2: I think there are real questions of whether he's definitely

590
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Speaker 2: going to be on the Cowboys this season.

591
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's definitely no questions about the talent because how

592
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Speaker 3: gift that he was. And we saw that going through

593
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Speaker 3: the draft process. You and I had talked about that

594
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Speaker 3: going through the draft process, So why isn't he going higher?

595
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Speaker 4: And it was.

596
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Speaker 2: I saw his real talent and you you know, you

597
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Speaker 2: kind of miss that.

598
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Speaker 1: Sometimes he needs fresh eyes on it.

599
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Speaker 3: It's still tough to spot, you know, like some of

600
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Speaker 3: those guys just it's really tough. But look to me,

601
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Speaker 3: he's the classic case of a player that teams like

602
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Speaker 3: to be engaged to but not married to.

603
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Speaker 4: M that makes any sense, I just I'd.

604
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Speaker 3: Be curious to see it feels more like they would

605
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Speaker 3: try and drag this year to year and if he's

606
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Speaker 3: not gonna be okay with doing that from the franchise

607
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 3: tag this year and he's gonna you know, uh kind

608
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Speaker 3: of cause a ruckus there not be happy with that,

609
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 3: then maybe they explore, you know, trading high as as

610
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Speaker 3: you would say somebody, you know, I'm sure with the

611
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Speaker 3: you know, with the teams out there, they can find

612
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Speaker 3: one that would be willing to to, you know, go

613
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Speaker 3: across the uh, grow across the aisle, and actually take

614
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 3: his hand in marriage here. So I just I don't

615
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 3: know if the Cowboys seem all that excited about doing that.

616
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Speaker 2: That's it's tricky, and the Cowboys are the rare team

617
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: that not only do they have the stomach for the

618
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 2: off season drama, they almost seem they almost seem to

619
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Speaker 2: welcome it, like that's not that's not a negative to

620
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Speaker 2: them if they'd have to go through it.

621
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Speaker 3: But I haven't had as much in season to talk about,

622
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Speaker 3: so they've kind of majored in more off season.

623
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Speaker 2: Stuff, right, and they look, it's not like they got

624
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Speaker 2: him for free. They did give up a third for him.

625
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Speaker 2: Would you would you you know, be happy with that

626
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Speaker 2: if you then trade him for like a second plus

627
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: a second and a fourth and he comes off your books,

628
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: maybe maybe they would be.

629
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Speaker 1: Maybe they would be. I don't know if you're getting

630
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: a first or I did not.

631
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 4: See the premium show, so I missed that whole little

632
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 4: nugget there.

633
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a little bit of an article, and

634
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: it was one of those where they didn't even put

635
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: sources to it. They're just like, hey, you know, they

636
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: could be interested in trading.

637
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 4: No.

638
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: Hey, their agent, he's executed some trades related to the Cowboys.

639
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: So I'm just putting two and two together. I think

640
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: Alec Pierce is a really unique talent, and in a way,

641
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: because you're not giving up any draft picks for him,

642
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: and you got to know what he is, he's almost

643
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: a safer bet than George Pickens. I mean, he just

644
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: played two years in the nfl DJ where he averaged

645
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: twenty one point three yards per catch. In twenty two

646
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: point three yards per catch.

647
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: Led the league by a lot of all the years.

648
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: I mean, he had it over a thousand yards on

649
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 2: forty seven catches. And maybe he's not the most complete receiver,

650
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,479
Speaker 2: but he's got strong hands, he's a big dude, he

651
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: makes contested catches. I mean, he really adds an element

652
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: to any offense that I think any offense would love.

653
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: And so to me, he's going to be one of

654
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: my very highest players on this overall free agency Listen

655
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 2: to me, a tier above all the rest of the guys.

656
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Speaker 4: I'll mention quickly, if you're the New England Patriots, why

657
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 4: would that not.

658
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 5: Be yeah, top of the list for you.

659
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 2: The only reason would be if you're like letting better

660
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 2: be the you know, perfect be the enemy of of

661
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: of better or whatever, because.

662
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 4: Good phrase is that I think I won't get it right.

663
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: That's fine now, you know I landed last night. It's

664
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: it's been a long season.

665
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: Like if they really, if they really saw A J.

666
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: Brown, for instance, as a guy who was like, okay,

667
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: we want like a one to one because I don't

668
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: think Alec Pierce is that.

669
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone is thinking he's going to be that.

670
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: But you know, I went back and watched some of

671
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: the film from the year and in what stands out

672
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: to you is how many times he made Daniel Jones

673
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: it look better that Daniel Jones had the confidence to

674
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: give him a chance to go make a play. But

675
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: these aren't perfect throws, and he made a lot of

676
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: very difficult catches, and he'd done it back to back years.

677
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: He's burning some guys and it's not just scrubs. I

678
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: saw him beat Derek Stingley on a corner route in

679
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: the red zone where you know, I think Stingley's a

680
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: little afraid of his speed going one way and he

681
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: breaks the other and he gets pretty open against good cornerbacks.

682
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: He's a hell of a player.

683
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: And he's twenty five years old right now, turn in

684
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: twenty six this offseason, so you're going to get the

685
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: best years of his career.

686
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: Perfect is the enemy of good is an aphorism often

687
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: attributed to Voltaire, originally from a sixteen to oh three

688
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: Italian proper, meaning the pursuit of flawlessness can prevent the

689
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: completion of worthwhile work.

690
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,239
Speaker 1: So I'm not a big Voltaire guy, but I am

691
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: looking forward.

692
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 4: To the office, Wayne.

693
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, you guys don't get into Voltair, but

694
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: that state, that's part of our you know, part of

695
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: our culture up there.

696
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: It is my literature season.

697
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: Though, Like I get to the off season, I start

698
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: banging through the novels, you know, really cranking through. When

699
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: was the last time you read like a book where

700
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: you know, there's paragraphs, there's a beginning and the end,

701
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: and maybe fiction especially no I.

702
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 4: Read this book called the Bible, Greg.

703
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: It's the book that I go through so long though

704
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 3: it's very long, but you can get through it in

705
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: the year.

706
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 4: But I do that.

707
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 3: I've you know what I used to I used to

708
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: be when I was younger. This sounds weird, but I

709
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: used to be a big John Grisham guy, I used

710
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: to go John books. That's not weird, yeah, but I just.

711
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 4: Think I was very young.

712
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: I think when I went to the bookstore and was

713
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: buying them, I was like in my thirties and just

714
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 3: I don't know. There was a lot of people in

715
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: my demo that were in there knocking those things out.

716
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: But I read a lot of leadership books by my buddies.

717
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: You know, you got a lot of buddies in that space.

718
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: John Gordon's good friend.

719
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: So okay, stuff, Okay, I mean I could use some

720
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: I can use some leadership tips. But you know, it

721
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: keeps your mind sharp, it's relaxing, it's.

722
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 4: Doing Greg that's all you got to do.

723
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: I'll try that Bible thing though, that that sounds good.

724
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 4: Yes, come on, come on join us.

725
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: I went to many midnight masses because, uh, you know,

726
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: I grew up in a town it's one of the

727
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: only Jewish people with about ninety five percent Catholic Irish Catholic,

728
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: and so that's where my that was the pool of

729
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 2: potential girlfriends in high school. So I was going to

730
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: midnight mass with with their families.

731
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: Let's go second tier.

732
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: A lot of ground on this Receivers Podcast.

733
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: Next, next group you mentioned Rashid Shaheed, I've got him.

734
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: I've got Mike Evans coming off an injury plagued year.

735
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: I've got Wandell Robinson, Romeo Dobbs, and Juwan Jennings. And

736
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: so when I look at at this group, I think

737
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: they're all starting players in the NFL. I really liked

738
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: We'll get to Wandale. I really liked what he gave.

739
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: He probably was bumped up a tier from from where

740
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: he used to be. They're not totally complete receivers. You

741
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: might have to pay a little extra in free agency

742
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: then you ideally would like. But I think they're gonna

743
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: be pretty safe adding to your offense. Obviously it's gonna

744
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: be tough to get Evans out of out of Tampa.

745
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: But between Evans, Shaheed, Robinson, Dobbs, Jennings, I don't know

746
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: if anyone stands out there who you want to talk about.

747
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: So free free content idea for you is yet when

748
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: you're doing this list and uh and maybe it's an

749
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 3: associate uh content piece, but uh, I'd like to follow

750
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: the coaches like we talked about with Kubiak and Shaheed.

751
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 4: Uh.

752
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: You look at the Tennessee Titans. New offensive coordinator is

753
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: Brian Dabole. That's a team that could use some more

754
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: weapons for cam Ward one day. Would make some sense there,

755
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: Like there's a lot and then you can look at

756
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: even like Jennings, I would, I would, okay, well that

757
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: that uh Shanahan tree is littered all over the league,

758
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: and he's kind of beloved in that system with how

759
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: he plays, So I could see him, if you know, bounce.

760
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 4: Around at one of those other h one of those

761
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 4: other disciples.

762
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: Including Kubiak he had if I'm if I'm remembering right

763
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: at his season when Kubiak was in the building.

764
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: It's tough to keep Jack at Kubiak. He's in a

765
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: new place every year around.

766
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: But I think that that's a big part of free

767
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: agency when you're coming in there and you're getting ready

768
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: to spend money. Ideally, you spend it on your own

769
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 3: guys because you know him extremely well. But if you're

770
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: going to go out into the market, you'd like to

771
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: have some previous understanding of relationship with him personally or

772
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: have seen him in a scheme that's a little bit

773
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: similar to what you're gonna do.

774
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: You know, they threw the ball deeper to Wandell more

775
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: this year than really I thought made sense. But he's

776
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: had one hundred and forty targets and back to back season.

777
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: People think sometimes production like he's almost like a short

778
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: catch merchant without a lot of people around him. You

779
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 2: put up a thousand yards and ninety catches this season, Like,

780
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: I'm not dismissing that. And when you when you watch him,

781
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: he is a guy who's gonna be able to get

782
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: open for you underneath. So I think every team has

783
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: a has a spot for that type of receiver. Again,

784
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: maybe they stretched them a little too much where he

785
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: had to be their one, but I think he would

786
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: fit in nicely. I did put Shaheed and Evans over him.

787
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: She he It's tough for me, always been such a

788
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: huge fan. I'm not holding the Seahawks and you're against

789
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: him because he made a difference with a handful of

790
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: splash plays. But he also, you know, barely caught the

791
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: ball in Seattle, and so it did make me wonder,

792
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 2: is he always just going to be like a very

793
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: supplementary third kind of weapon in the offense, where if

794
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: he's your second even that might be a stretch that

795
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: he's more of a really great three plus special teams

796
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: and that that kind of changes the market that he's

797
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: going to have.

798
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think that he's just that profile tends

799
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: to get overpaid a little bit, and I could still

800
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 3: see him getting more than people think. And because look,

801
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 3: the return coming back into the game is big too,

802
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: Like we've seen the impact of the return game now,

803
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 3: so that that value was there. What kind of underrated

804
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 3: part going back to Seahawks for a second, like punter, kicker, returner,

805
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 3: like that kind of got lost in the shuffle a

806
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 3: little bit with their team was how dominant their special

807
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: teams were.

808
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: Dixon, especially their punt well and the returners. You're right,

809
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: just he he made such difference in the NFC Championship

810
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,479
Speaker 2: in this game in the Super Bowl.

811
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right.

812
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: And yeah, the Saints I think kind of lost the

813
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: forest for the trees when they weren't using Shaheeda anymore

814
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: on returns and Seattle's.

815
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: Like, why weren't you doing that? Exactly? We should do that.

816
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: I think Romeo Dobbs is a good player.

817
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: I kind of can't imagine Mike Evans playing in a

818
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: different uniform, but you never know. Jason Light usually ends

819
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: up keeping his guys. He looked pretty good when he

820
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: played last year, just the first year where he missed

821
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: some time with injury. But I think Dobbs is another

822
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 2: guy who's like a starting caliber receiver. Do you remember

823
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: anything I'm putting you on the spot about your evaluation

824
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: of Romeo Dobbs coming into the league, because to me,

825
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: I'm giving you time to look it up.

826
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, what you're.

827
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: Well, that would have.

828
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: Been twenty two, right, because he's ending, you know, ending

829
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: his rookie contract. So twenty two draft guy who does

830
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 2: a little bit of everything well and is a physical guy.

831
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 2: Maybe he's not going to be the most open receiver

832
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: in the league, but good hands, can basically run any

833
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: route and like you can feel good giving him fifty

834
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: snaps a game.

835
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 4: A lot of deep post tracks the ball. Well, he's

836
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 4: got some juice, he's a.

837
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: Little bit tight, gives you some punt return value, good burst.

838
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: I thought his hands were average. It's just under six two,

839
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: a little over twohundred.

840
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 4: Pounds, So it's kind of like I actually had.

841
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: Him kind of the great game was like a developmental grade.

842
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: Oh no, they thought there was better ahead of him.

843
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: Well, you know who disagreed?

844
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 4: With you.

845
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 2: I was gonna say Brian Goodikins, but actually was a

846
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: fourth round pick. I thought he got taken higher than that.

847
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: So that's under my next group. So that those guys

848
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 2: I think are all going to start in the NFL

849
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: next year. I think they're all going to get good contracts.

850
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 2: And the next group is a little tricky. I knocked

851
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: Evo Samuel down to this tier. To me, he's a

852
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: very particular flavor. Doesn't mean he shouldn't be, you know,

853
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: on a team with a role, but you got to

854
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 2: have a vision for him. And I don't think he's

855
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: quite as complete or explosives as he was later in

856
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: his career. And then some just you know guys I

857
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 2: think are interesting. Jalen Naylor at a decent season for Minnesota.

858
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: They actually like him. Johan Dotson's going to be a

859
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: free agent. Former first round pick, Christian Kirk had that

860
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: monster playoff game that will help him get paid a

861
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: little bit. Marquise Brown, like I guess it's not gonna

862
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: totally ever happen for him, but he can still help

863
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 2: a team. So that that's kind of the next tier

864
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: of wide receivers.

865
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when I start looking at that going. Those

866
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 3: guys are gonna have a hard time getting money because

867
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 3: of the draft, because of how much depth we have

868
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 3: at the draft, So kind of pay up to the

869
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: top of the market. I get that, and then maybe

870
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: get into that second tier and you get guys coming

871
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: and help your young quarterbacks.

872
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 4: I get that.

873
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: But when we get into this portion of the program,

874
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 3: to me, it's like there's guys in the third, fourth

875
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: round you're gonna find they're gonna be better.

876
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.

877
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen, Kendrick Bourn, Khalif Rayman, Treylon Burks. Actually I

878
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: thought looked kind of interesting at the end. So he'll

879
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 2: get some like one year, two million dollar contract. I'm

880
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: just keeping an eye on that. He looked like he

881
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: made some progress at the end of his time in Washington.

882
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 2: Calvin Austin, there are other names out there. But before

883
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 2: we wrap, I did just want to throw out while

884
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: we're talking some possible trades or cuts, because we're getting

885
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: in some big names here, because I think there's some

886
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: interesting players and we're going to go through with Bill

887
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: Barnwell later in the week. All the potential trade targets

888
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: in the entire league, a lot of them are at

889
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: wide receiver. But I mean, could I interest you in

890
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: a AJ Brown? DJ Moore, Brian Thomas Junior. But you know,

891
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: these are all just like just thoughts. But I think

892
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 2: if I'm thinking about them, I trust me some front

893
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: offices are at least thinking about him. Michael Pittman's entering

894
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: the last year of his contract and we had him

895
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 2: on NFL Daily last week. It was interesting to me

896
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: he said, I'm not really sure what they're gonna do

897
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: with me, Like do they want to give me a

898
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: new contract? Do they want to cut me? Would they

899
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: want to trade me? So the fact that he's saying

900
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: that he's thinking about it, Calvin Ridley, Darnell Mooney, then

901
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: we kind of get down the list. But some big

902
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: names I think that are going to be thrown around

903
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: a little bit in front offices.

904
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 3: This feels like it could be kind of a shake

905
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: up year with Philly. You know, they've made some coaching changes.

906
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 3: Scout one's now no longer there. On the offensive side

907
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: of the ball, they can kind of, you know, you

908
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: could reimagine how you're doing this offense or building this

909
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 3: offense out. So that wouldn't you know, totally surprise me.

910
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: I'm curious see what happens with them on Dickerson, Elane Johnson,

911
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: you know what happens with them. And if that's the

912
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 3: case where those guys are not playing, then you know, okay,

913
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: what do we do you know with aj going forward?

914
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: Or is he a part of this new look you know,

915
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: offense that they want to run there.

916
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 4: So there's a lot.

917
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 3: I'll just keep in my mine on Philly because just

918
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: it feels like this is a little bit of a

919
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 3: season of change there.

920
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, without Jeff Stoutland and they just hired their new

921
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,959
Speaker 2: offensive line coach.

922
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: Was it Darryl Suitor?

923
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 2: A guy who is with Sewn Mannion the new OC.

924
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: You're right, could be a lot of change. I just

925
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: think it makes sense timing wise, because I think if

926
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: you're Howie Roseman, yeah, they want to keep elite players

927
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: as long as they can. But I think you could

928
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 2: look enough at the film last year and think, hmm,

929
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: is the decline starting now?

930
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 3: Maybe not even you were not even close on that.

931
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: It's Chris Cooper, Daryl's suitor. Was he like an old

932
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: reliever for the Braves or something?

933
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: Why did I just throw out a random name?

934
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 4: He just really just made up. Who hold On.

935
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 5: Was an ice hockey coach. Yeah, Canadian hockey coach. He

936
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 5: was a Darryl Suitter. Was he the coach of the

937
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 5: Maple Leafs. No, he was most recently the head coach

938
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 5: of the Calgary Flames.

939
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: The former Kings coach.

940
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a bold move for an offensive line coach.

941
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 3: But I think he's gonna understand toughness. He's gonna you know,

942
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: he's gonna understand these guys, you know, working together. Hey,

943
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: outside the box. How he's outside the box hired a

944
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: Canadian hockey coach be the offensive line coach.

945
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: I'm still on tilt because our producer asked, you know,

946
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: in our chat, if Amari Cooper is still going to

947
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: be inside my top ten overall free agents, a guy

948
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: who that's where I had him last year and and

949
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: then he retired, I didn't know. I didn't know.

950
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: The game wasn't in him anymore.

951
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: And yeah, Greg McElroy, if you're listening, the job is

952
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: not available yet.

953
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: This is ridiculous.

954
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: Yes, someone was asking when when McElroy. DJ asked when

955
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: McRoy started. I mean, you can just say that on

956
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: the show.

957
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 4: That's more fun in the chat, I'm trying to make

958
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 4: Drew laugh behind the glass. A J.

959
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: Brown, by the way, this this is the time to

960
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: trade him, because I think whatever they're going to get

961
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: for him in a trade, this is the I think

962
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: the value is. They still get a lot from a

963
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: team like the Patriots, for instance, whereas this would probably

964
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: be the last year considering in his age and his

965
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: contract and everything would get around.

966
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: Always is very smart and he knows the rules of

967
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: better to be a year earlyer than a year late

968
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: on this.

969
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 4: So we'll see what they do.

970
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: And I would, if I had to guess, I think

971
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: A J. Brown will get traded, although that one seems

972
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 2: like a toss up. I even feel more confident that

973
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: DJ Moore will get traded or cut. But because of

974
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: the lack of wide receivers, I think they'll be able

975
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 2: to find something for him. Brian Thomas Junior is the

976
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: They're really talented player. It didn't quite fit in that offense.

977
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 4: Fit in the offense.

978
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have receivers. They just gave Jacobe Myers

979
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 2: a lot of money. They're an aggressive team who probably

980
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: feels like they're right. They're already in their Super Bowl window.

981
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: You could get a lot for Brian Thomas. It might

982
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: not be about a pick, and I'm all about bringing

983
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: these veteran trades.

984
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: Into the NFL like the NBA has.

985
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 4: Let's go, Yeah, let's do it.

986
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: I like it.

987
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 4: Hey, this is out great. Can I go back to

988
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 4: watching my college kids.

989
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: Now you can? What letter are you on? Who is it?

990
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 4: I'm on the MS. You know.

991
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: I've done a bunch more of the guys beyond that,

992
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 3: but I've got about eight receivers left to watch.

993
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 4: Then I'll be done with all the Combine receivers. So

994
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 4: that's my day.

995
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: Well, just as you're grinding through the tape, especially kind

996
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: of the interior offensive line, but really any the offensive

997
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 2: line positions, just just imagine how would this guy fit

998
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 2: in a Darryl Suiter Philadelphia Eagles offense. We will be

999
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: back next week on forties and free agents. We're going

1000
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 2: to do a big Combine preview talking about the offense.

1001
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: We will see them mhm