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Speaker 1: Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is

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Speaker 1: a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts.

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Speaker 2: We got lots, just.

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Speaker 3: We got lots.

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Speaker 4: Just what a begger here and we hope you say

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Speaker 4: because we got lost just said, yeah, we got a lot.

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Speaker 2: Just say.

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Speaker 3: Here's Bobby that in my number sixteen Matt Castle Jersey.

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Speaker 3: Today found pretty good. You look good.

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Speaker 5: When I saw you walking right outside, I was like,

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Speaker 5: that is savage right there.

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Speaker 3: You thought it was a mirror, You.

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Speaker 6: Thought it was you rock in the sixth and you

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Speaker 6: fill it out better than I do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I look pretty good. This is all I still

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Speaker 3: want to know where you found that? Is that rebok?

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Speaker 6: This?

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Speaker 3: Oh that is old school? Yeah, it's got rebock right there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I got this off eBay. Yeah, So

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Speaker 3: I went and I just looked for an old I

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Speaker 3: thought it'd be funny to have a Matt Castle Patriots Jersey.

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Speaker 3: And so I've found it. And it still smells like

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Speaker 3: Amazon or eBay or whatever it is. eBay smells bad.

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Speaker 3: Amazon smells fine, right, read because Amazon's new eBay comes

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Speaker 3: from someone's house.

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Speaker 6: Right, And then if you get an Amazon package, it's

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Speaker 6: in plastic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good point. I smell like eBay right now, you

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Speaker 3: smell like because I haven't watched it. Yeah, don't wash it.

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Speaker 3: I just put it on. No, just rocket heart. I

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Speaker 3: worked a bed every night. Did you keep any stuff?

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 6: I have a helmet from every place I played other

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Speaker 6: than when I had my short stint in Buffalo. Didn't

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Speaker 6: have really time to actually get the helmet or jersey

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Speaker 6: or something like that. And then Dallas is the one

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Speaker 6: I wish I would have picked up because Dallas was

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Speaker 6: my childhood like team, you know what I mean. My

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Speaker 6: dad grew up in Texas all that stuff that and

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Speaker 6: through the nineties that's what I grew up watching.

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Speaker 3: So I was pretty piss.

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Speaker 6: Off that I didn't actually get a jersey or a helmet.

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Speaker 6: I still could go back and probably call the trainer

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Speaker 6: and stuff like that, but but.

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Speaker 3: They'll have to remake it then, right, You don't want

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Speaker 3: to know? I wanted to, you know, because it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 6: After season they give you the option to buy your jerseys,

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Speaker 6: buy your helmet and do that and you can actually

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Speaker 6: have it as a collector's item and it's really not

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Speaker 6: for you as much as it is for like as

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Speaker 6: your kids get older, my kids will run in and

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Speaker 6: throw in my helmets they get I still have my

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Speaker 6: old shoulder pads. My son, who's in fifth grade and

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Speaker 6: played his first year at school and tackle football, was

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Speaker 6: rocking my pads this year.

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Speaker 3: I was like, dude, I bet you they've come up

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Speaker 3: with better pads at this point. No, He's like, no, Dad,

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Speaker 3: do fifth grade. That's pretty cool though. It was pretty good.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty cool. Yeah, it was pretty cool. I mean.

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Speaker 6: But the funny part is he played offensive line and

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Speaker 6: he still had like, you know, the little backstrap.

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Speaker 3: That goes down.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he had that hanging down because I used to

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Speaker 5: so he had that as an offensive lineman.

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Speaker 3: I was like, well, makes you look a little bit girthier.

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Speaker 3: You look good. Did you ever wear the neck brace?

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Speaker 6: Oh, Actually, this is a funny story. My first year

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Speaker 6: So my mom and my dad like they were a

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Speaker 6: So I up to practice for the first padded practice.

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Speaker 6: I had a neck roll, I had elbow pads. I

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Speaker 6: and goes, cass, I thought you wanted to play quarterback.

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Speaker 6: I was like, I do, coach, and they go, take

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Speaker 3: I literally showed up with the neck roll like I

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Speaker 6: I just remember all start with like the Cowboy caller

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Speaker 5: I was like, dude, what a g I.

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Speaker 3: Have a couple updates. Number one, So I watched Roddick

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Speaker 3: play in his pickleball tournament on ESPN video. It was

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Speaker 3: until time. So Andy lost that first match, and so

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Speaker 5: So did Agassy actually end up working?

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Speaker 3: He won the whole thing, so he took him the

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Speaker 3: but it was definitely a team thing. Him and Stephanie

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Speaker 3: Graff and Marty Fish won their team. Okay, but it's

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Speaker 3: like thirty eight degrees here today as we're doing this,

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Speaker 3: like so cool, what's the degree we can start playing pickleball?

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Speaker 3: Because it gave me the itch again?

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Speaker 6: You know what, there was an indoor place. You know,

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Speaker 3: I have an indoor play thirty eight I'd say forty.

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Speaker 6: Could you could get out there with the sweat sweat

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Speaker 3: probably not, No, I think you could because I need

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Speaker 3: to see your game because I made I haven't made

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Speaker 6: But I think that this is a different type of sport.

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Speaker 6: They're not gonna be throwing ninety six at you. Okay,

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Speaker 6: fair enough, Okay, fair enough.

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Speaker 3: looking pretty good. We have Bruce Fellman coming up in

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Speaker 3: cool as it's coming up. You did a pro day,

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Speaker 5: For some reason, they lost my invite.

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Speaker 6: Maybe it was because I didn't start a game in

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Speaker 3: The pro day.

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Speaker 6: All these schools have pro days as well, and a

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Speaker 6: And I think it's different now because so many of

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Speaker 3: So I took an ACT course to take an ACT test.

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Speaker 6: They get the answers to the test, so they're gonna

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Speaker 3: So they're prepared for questions.

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Speaker 6: So it's a little bit different for these guys because

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Speaker 6: I don't think that they're truly getting just that individual

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Speaker 3: Now, did you get interviewed before the draft at all? Well?

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Speaker 6: But it wasn't so much about the workout as much

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Speaker 6: draw that same play up that we talked about, Now

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Speaker 6: draw it up versus you know, a different coverage.

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Speaker 3: So they want to kind of get a better.

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Speaker 6: Understanding for just your overall knowledge of the game and

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Speaker 6: this play or draw this play up, but it's completely

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Speaker 6: different terminology, so you try to simplify it in your terms.

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Speaker 3: But I think that they all went pretty well. Would

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Speaker 3: they do the thing where they give you a bunch

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Speaker 3: and then like two hours later, see how much When

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Speaker 3: would they give you some sort of play book to

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Speaker 3: test you on it later in the day. So that's

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Speaker 3: that's what I was talking about.

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Speaker 6: Like before we'd even go up and kind of break

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Speaker 5: And the great part is you can always.

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Speaker 3: But you can always. It's fail proof. Coach, Hey, coach,

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Speaker 3: All right? Bruce Feldman coming up here on last to say, Hey, Bruce,

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Speaker 2: I think he's a remarkable talent. I mean, he was

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Speaker 2: He's six ' to one and probably one eighty five runs. Well,

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Speaker 3: Let's switch to Abdell Carter, who looks like a maniac.

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Speaker 6: Would you look at this year's draft class as particularly

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Speaker 2: I think cam is the most talented of the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: He has the bigger arm, he's a little more of

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Speaker 2: And you know there's other guys who Tyler Schuck from

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Speaker 6: Who's one of the guys this year that might get

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Mike Green from Marshall. He started out at Virginia

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Speaker 3: I was reading your Call Him on Saquon Barkley and

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Speaker 2: And turned out the guy was just a regular student

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00:20:04,455 --> 00:20:07,735
Speaker 2: and Saquon was so humble. And I think that's the

436
00:20:07,776 --> 00:20:10,936
Speaker 2: thing you keep hearing over and over again is there's

437
00:20:11,016 --> 00:20:14,855
Speaker 2: like no no like entitlement to him everything. He just

438
00:20:15,376 --> 00:20:19,176
Speaker 2: has this really cool vibe about him that you know,

439
00:20:19,215 --> 00:20:21,896
Speaker 2: whether you know his backstory or not, whether you spend

440
00:20:21,896 --> 00:20:23,656
Speaker 2: a lot of time with them or not, you know,

441
00:20:23,735 --> 00:20:26,575
Speaker 2: you could sit across from him and just like, I

442
00:20:26,696 --> 00:20:29,176
Speaker 2: like this guy. You know kind of thing where there's

443
00:20:29,256 --> 00:20:33,576
Speaker 2: something very very natural about him. And I think so

444
00:20:33,735 --> 00:20:35,975
Speaker 2: the things you're talking about and with the ball boy

445
00:20:36,096 --> 00:20:39,016
Speaker 2: after the you know, at the at the victory parade

446
00:20:39,256 --> 00:20:42,096
Speaker 2: and all these other stories you kind of hear anecdotally,

447
00:20:42,455 --> 00:20:45,096
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, he's really easy to root for because

448
00:20:45,215 --> 00:20:47,936
Speaker 2: of because of just how he seems to be wired.

449
00:20:48,495 --> 00:20:51,536
Speaker 6: Talking about another guy an next teaman in mine. Kellen Moore,

450
00:20:51,576 --> 00:20:54,776
Speaker 6: who you recently talked about on Your Eye I mean

451
00:20:54,816 --> 00:20:58,255
Speaker 6: on your podcast. Did you always envision that this was

452
00:20:58,256 --> 00:20:59,735
Speaker 6: the path that he was going to take when you

453
00:20:59,776 --> 00:21:01,295
Speaker 6: covered him at Boise.

454
00:21:02,416 --> 00:21:04,056
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know if he'd be an NFL head

455
00:21:04,056 --> 00:21:07,495
Speaker 2: coach or a college head coach, but he was. So

456
00:21:07,536 --> 00:21:10,016
Speaker 2: It's funny like back in the day, like the combine

457
00:21:10,016 --> 00:21:11,735
Speaker 2: has changed a little in how it's run in the

458
00:21:11,816 --> 00:21:14,616
Speaker 2: last like five six years, but it used to be

459
00:21:15,096 --> 00:21:17,535
Speaker 2: they would put, you know, the guys projected first or

460
00:21:17,576 --> 00:21:19,696
Speaker 2: second or third round would get like the podiums like

461
00:21:19,735 --> 00:21:22,775
Speaker 2: the gms and the head coach do. And then the

462
00:21:22,896 --> 00:21:25,576
Speaker 2: guys who are like the afterthoughts at the combine, who

463
00:21:25,896 --> 00:21:28,176
Speaker 2: you are, late round picks. They get to sit at

464
00:21:28,215 --> 00:21:31,735
Speaker 2: the smaller tables and whoever they may be, by themselves,

465
00:21:31,856 --> 00:21:34,056
Speaker 2: you know, maybe you know in the in Kellen's case,

466
00:21:34,096 --> 00:21:36,015
Speaker 2: I knew him a little because I'd covered some of

467
00:21:36,056 --> 00:21:38,656
Speaker 2: his games, So I sat down and talked to him

468
00:21:38,696 --> 00:21:42,696
Speaker 2: for a while and was you know, I just had

469
00:21:42,696 --> 00:21:45,016
Speaker 2: always you know, we had some mutual friends. And now

470
00:21:45,056 --> 00:21:48,455
Speaker 2: I work with Chris Peterson, you know, his mentor, and

471
00:21:48,536 --> 00:21:50,855
Speaker 2: he's a guy you always like kind of was like, oh,

472
00:21:50,936 --> 00:21:53,656
Speaker 2: he's super smart. He obviously didn't have a big arm,

473
00:21:53,696 --> 00:21:56,775
Speaker 2: he wasn't super athletic or you know, the prototype physically,

474
00:21:57,536 --> 00:22:01,255
Speaker 2: but you know, coach's kids saw the game differently and everything.

475
00:22:01,735 --> 00:22:06,215
Speaker 2: And so at some point our kids, like my wife's

476
00:22:06,215 --> 00:22:09,696
Speaker 2: from Dallas and our son was at Cowboys football camp

477
00:22:09,735 --> 00:22:12,336
Speaker 2: when he was in second or third grade, and Kellen

478
00:22:12,455 --> 00:22:15,176
Speaker 2: was there because his son was roughly the same age.

479
00:22:15,176 --> 00:22:17,455
Speaker 2: So we spent the day together and just kind of reconnected.

480
00:22:17,495 --> 00:22:20,216
Speaker 2: Its first time i'd seen him in about ten years.

481
00:22:20,856 --> 00:22:23,656
Speaker 2: And he's also a guy who's really really down to earth,

482
00:22:24,136 --> 00:22:27,816
Speaker 2: and the coaches I know who've been around him all

483
00:22:27,896 --> 00:22:30,295
Speaker 2: say that it was cool for me to see. You know,

484
00:22:30,336 --> 00:22:32,856
Speaker 2: we'd visit him when he was in Ox start with

485
00:22:32,896 --> 00:22:36,136
Speaker 2: the Cowboys, and then the next year he and Dougnas Smeyer,

486
00:22:36,336 --> 00:22:39,416
Speaker 2: you know, his quarterbacks coach, went to the Chargers and

487
00:22:39,455 --> 00:22:42,015
Speaker 2: they were obviously that was the struggling years, right before

488
00:22:42,056 --> 00:22:44,616
Speaker 2: the head coach got fired, and you know he has

489
00:22:44,816 --> 00:22:46,255
Speaker 2: justin Herbert and then he goes to the Eagles and

490
00:22:46,296 --> 00:22:49,176
Speaker 2: then they really leaned into the run game, and it

491
00:22:49,256 --> 00:22:51,696
Speaker 2: was cool to see that evolution in the payoff and

492
00:22:52,856 --> 00:22:56,976
Speaker 2: you know in this regard, similar to t Saque, He's

493
00:22:57,136 --> 00:22:59,616
Speaker 2: Kellen's an easy guy to root for if you if

494
00:22:59,616 --> 00:23:02,936
Speaker 2: you've met him, because you think he's just a genuine,

495
00:23:03,416 --> 00:23:08,015
Speaker 2: like very humble, you know, like smaller coaches I know

496
00:23:08,136 --> 00:23:10,616
Speaker 2: have developed relationships with him, and it's like they think

497
00:23:10,656 --> 00:23:12,936
Speaker 2: it's cool that they're talking to an NFL offense coordinator

498
00:23:12,936 --> 00:23:15,176
Speaker 2: who has time to pick their brain. And so those

499
00:23:15,176 --> 00:23:18,656
Speaker 2: are guys you definitely, you know, find yourself pulling for.

500
00:23:18,896 --> 00:23:21,095
Speaker 3: I was looking at your freaks. Let's call him. And

501
00:23:21,136 --> 00:23:23,455
Speaker 3: you had Jeremiah Smith at number seven. Is he the

502
00:23:23,495 --> 00:23:25,776
Speaker 3: youngest highest ranked player you've ever had?

503
00:23:26,296 --> 00:23:28,295
Speaker 2: He's not, because the guy who was number one this

504
00:23:28,416 --> 00:23:30,735
Speaker 2: year was also number one last year when he was

505
00:23:30,776 --> 00:23:34,376
Speaker 2: a true freshman. That's Nick Harber. And Nick Harber is

506
00:23:34,416 --> 00:23:37,736
Speaker 2: a elite, elite sprinter, but he's also six ' five,

507
00:23:37,776 --> 00:23:40,015
Speaker 2: two hundred and forty pounds and he was a bigger

508
00:23:39,975 --> 00:23:44,336
Speaker 2: recruit for Shane Beemer at South Carolina. And Nick Harber

509
00:23:44,376 --> 00:23:47,975
Speaker 2: is a solid player. But Jeremiah Smith is you know,

510
00:23:48,056 --> 00:23:49,616
Speaker 2: I think if he was in this draft, he would

511
00:23:49,656 --> 00:23:52,535
Speaker 2: be going first. If you have to see him in

512
00:23:52,576 --> 00:23:55,656
Speaker 2: person to realize how big he is, you know, he's

513
00:23:55,735 --> 00:23:57,936
Speaker 2: every bit of two hundred and twenty eight pounds and

514
00:23:58,096 --> 00:24:01,975
Speaker 2: six ' three plus, and he's more dynamic and explosive

515
00:24:02,016 --> 00:24:05,215
Speaker 2: than Marvin Harrison junior and quite a bit bigger and stronger.

516
00:24:05,776 --> 00:24:08,015
Speaker 2: And so to say that he's the best one that

517
00:24:08,056 --> 00:24:10,256
Speaker 2: Brian Hartline has had at Ohio State is a big

518
00:24:10,296 --> 00:24:13,775
Speaker 2: statement because we know who those receivers are. But the

519
00:24:13,856 --> 00:24:17,056
Speaker 2: guy is just really wired differently, and I know from

520
00:24:17,376 --> 00:24:21,136
Speaker 2: you know, meeting people close to him. This past season.

521
00:24:21,176 --> 00:24:24,136
Speaker 2: I did a big story for the Athletic on him.

522
00:24:24,576 --> 00:24:29,215
Speaker 2: He just has like an uncanny maturity and drive that

523
00:24:29,376 --> 00:24:32,896
Speaker 2: kids at that level almost never have at that position. So,

524
00:24:33,576 --> 00:24:35,416
Speaker 2: you know, lucky for the Buckeyes they're going to he

525
00:24:35,416 --> 00:24:37,296
Speaker 2: can't go to the NFL for two more years.

526
00:24:37,576 --> 00:24:39,096
Speaker 3: I love the Freakslift List.

527
00:24:39,176 --> 00:24:42,696
Speaker 6: I honestly read it and love seeing the background of

528
00:24:42,696 --> 00:24:45,096
Speaker 6: all these kids. How long does it take you to

529
00:24:45,096 --> 00:24:47,775
Speaker 6: put this list together? What's the criteria? And why haven't

530
00:24:47,776 --> 00:24:49,015
Speaker 6: Bobby and I have ever been on it?

531
00:24:49,056 --> 00:24:50,296
Speaker 3: Trod question? Good question.

532
00:24:51,256 --> 00:24:54,136
Speaker 2: It is a good question. So I usually start kind

533
00:24:54,136 --> 00:24:56,335
Speaker 2: of compiling stuff around now, and then it picks up

534
00:24:56,336 --> 00:25:00,096
Speaker 2: speed after spring football, and you know, I've been doing

535
00:25:00,096 --> 00:25:02,136
Speaker 2: it for over twenty years now, and I think a

536
00:25:02,176 --> 00:25:05,376
Speaker 2: big part of it has been the relationship I've developed

537
00:25:05,536 --> 00:25:07,535
Speaker 2: with a lot of strength coaches, because those are the

538
00:25:07,576 --> 00:25:10,136
Speaker 2: guys who have been really the core of this. And

539
00:25:10,176 --> 00:25:13,015
Speaker 2: I get help from sids and some coaches I know certainly,

540
00:25:13,016 --> 00:25:16,256
Speaker 2: and now you know pro scouts. When I was on

541
00:25:16,495 --> 00:25:20,455
Speaker 2: first started doing sideline reporting, you know, I'd be on

542
00:25:20,495 --> 00:25:22,856
Speaker 2: the field hour and two hours before the game, and

543
00:25:22,896 --> 00:25:25,816
Speaker 2: that's when scouts are out there too, and so they

544
00:25:26,016 --> 00:25:28,776
Speaker 2: you know, you trying to share notes the Senior Bowl.

545
00:25:28,776 --> 00:25:31,455
Speaker 2: Steff Jim Nagge's people have been great resource and so

546
00:25:31,576 --> 00:25:34,735
Speaker 2: I love working on it. And you know, it's funny

547
00:25:34,816 --> 00:25:38,496
Speaker 2: just thinking back to like what you were looking for

548
00:25:38,576 --> 00:25:41,656
Speaker 2: and everything like this. And so if it's a player

549
00:25:41,696 --> 00:25:43,896
Speaker 2: who you know, like as you know with quarterbacks, there's

550
00:25:43,896 --> 00:25:46,136
Speaker 2: a lot of times where it's a multi sport guy,

551
00:25:46,256 --> 00:25:49,616
Speaker 2: he just happens to eventually settle at that position, right,

552
00:25:49,776 --> 00:25:53,696
Speaker 2: But you know there's certainly players who are like, Okay,

553
00:25:54,136 --> 00:25:56,696
Speaker 2: that's the guy everybody raves about inside the program. He

554
00:25:56,735 --> 00:25:59,096
Speaker 2: may not be the best football player, but that you know,

555
00:25:59,136 --> 00:26:01,496
Speaker 2: there's some freakish quality about him, and those that's how

556
00:26:01,536 --> 00:26:04,215
Speaker 2: the list started, and it's been really cool to see

557
00:26:04,215 --> 00:26:07,376
Speaker 2: how it's been received. Then it's something that like I

558
00:26:07,416 --> 00:26:08,816
Speaker 2: don't want to call it like a labor of love

559
00:26:08,816 --> 00:26:11,535
Speaker 2: because that implies it's like really really working, you know,

560
00:26:11,735 --> 00:26:14,256
Speaker 2: at it, But it's it's such a fun project because

561
00:26:14,256 --> 00:26:16,456
Speaker 2: I learned so much about it, and it's been neat

562
00:26:16,495 --> 00:26:20,975
Speaker 2: to see how people inside the NFL world have taken

563
00:26:21,016 --> 00:26:24,656
Speaker 2: notice for it. So I'm grateful that the fans fans

564
00:26:24,656 --> 00:26:25,416
Speaker 2: seem to like it.

565
00:26:25,696 --> 00:26:28,575
Speaker 3: A final question, Chip Kelly going to the NFL. You

566
00:26:28,616 --> 00:26:32,256
Speaker 3: see any other college coaches on the horizon to make

567
00:26:32,296 --> 00:26:34,536
Speaker 3: that jump? Now, Chip's been back and forth, so it's

568
00:26:34,576 --> 00:26:37,056
Speaker 3: not like his first jump to the NFL, but that's

569
00:26:37,056 --> 00:26:38,816
Speaker 3: big news for him to leave that job he just

570
00:26:38,856 --> 00:26:41,656
Speaker 3: took in Ohio State and jump up again. Any other

571
00:26:41,656 --> 00:26:43,336
Speaker 3: college coaches you see and make that jump in the

572
00:26:43,336 --> 00:26:44,136
Speaker 3: next couple of years.

573
00:26:44,256 --> 00:26:46,735
Speaker 2: It wouldn't shock me if Steve Sarkisian did, because, like

574
00:26:46,776 --> 00:26:49,136
Speaker 2: what you just said, Chip had been in the NFL,

575
00:26:49,416 --> 00:26:51,855
Speaker 2: and sark had been in the NFL as a as

576
00:26:51,896 --> 00:26:54,336
Speaker 2: an offense corner with the Falcons. He's a really good

577
00:26:54,376 --> 00:26:57,376
Speaker 2: offensive coach. You know, if they were to win a

578
00:26:57,455 --> 00:27:00,856
Speaker 2: national title with Arts this year, maybe that would be okay,

579
00:27:00,936 --> 00:27:03,056
Speaker 2: been there, done that, time to move on to the

580
00:27:03,176 --> 00:27:06,055
Speaker 2: NFL because you know, you know con you know, as

581
00:27:06,096 --> 00:27:08,696
Speaker 2: opposed to like where Bill Belichick is at right now.

582
00:27:08,816 --> 00:27:10,775
Speaker 2: I think for a lot of college coaches, I know,

583
00:27:11,416 --> 00:27:13,176
Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna go to the Combine next week

584
00:27:13,416 --> 00:27:16,096
Speaker 2: and run into a lot of old college coaches who

585
00:27:16,136 --> 00:27:18,896
Speaker 2: do not miss college football at all. I'm not saying

586
00:27:19,176 --> 00:27:21,696
Speaker 2: NFL guys don't go back, but sometimes that's their best

587
00:27:21,696 --> 00:27:25,055
Speaker 2: option at that time to go do it. And I

588
00:27:25,096 --> 00:27:27,255
Speaker 2: just think it's such a grind where it's at. And

589
00:27:27,296 --> 00:27:31,255
Speaker 2: also you see guys like Jeff Hafley, really smart coach,

590
00:27:31,296 --> 00:27:34,896
Speaker 2: who did really well as Ryan Day's defensive coordinator, and

591
00:27:34,936 --> 00:27:36,336
Speaker 2: then he went to BC and I was like, oh,

592
00:27:36,336 --> 00:27:38,296
Speaker 2: he's going to kill it there, and he really struggled.

593
00:27:39,416 --> 00:27:41,176
Speaker 2: And then he went to the Packers this year and

594
00:27:41,176 --> 00:27:43,215
Speaker 2: has done really well, and it feels like he's like

595
00:27:43,256 --> 00:27:46,776
Speaker 2: one step away from getting an NFL head coaching job.

596
00:27:47,455 --> 00:27:50,496
Speaker 2: And you have more of an office, you have more

597
00:27:50,495 --> 00:27:53,496
Speaker 2: of a life in the you know, in the spring

598
00:27:53,576 --> 00:27:56,975
Speaker 2: and in the summer, whereas in the college it's just

599
00:27:57,016 --> 00:28:02,216
Speaker 2: a constant grind of just there's a lot of like

600
00:28:02,455 --> 00:28:05,256
Speaker 2: really screwy stuff that you're dealing with. I'm not saying

601
00:28:05,455 --> 00:28:07,656
Speaker 2: that the NFL is not easy to be a head

602
00:28:07,656 --> 00:28:10,015
Speaker 2: coach or even you know, a position coach or a coordinator.

603
00:28:10,215 --> 00:28:13,535
Speaker 2: But I just think it's like it's a different reality,

604
00:28:13,816 --> 00:28:16,336
Speaker 2: and I think it will be attractive. Like I could

605
00:28:16,336 --> 00:28:18,495
Speaker 2: see Sark. It wouldn't shock me if it's someday. Ryan

606
00:28:18,616 --> 00:28:21,455
Speaker 2: Day had, you know, decided hey, I want to go

607
00:28:21,495 --> 00:28:23,376
Speaker 2: back to the NFL because he'd been there with Chip

608
00:28:23,376 --> 00:28:25,735
Speaker 2: as an assistant. But I think one thing to keep

609
00:28:25,776 --> 00:28:27,975
Speaker 2: in mind now is like, you know, I work with

610
00:28:28,056 --> 00:28:30,176
Speaker 2: Urban Meyer. Urban had never been in the NFL. He

611
00:28:30,215 --> 00:28:32,896
Speaker 2: went to the Jaguars and it was a disaster. You know.

612
00:28:32,936 --> 00:28:34,775
Speaker 2: Steve Spurrier never been in the NFL, went to the

613
00:28:34,896 --> 00:28:37,296
Speaker 2: NFL as a disaster. Lou Holt same thing. Like when

614
00:28:37,336 --> 00:28:40,416
Speaker 2: you have guys who don't know that world and they

615
00:28:40,536 --> 00:28:42,136
Speaker 2: end up in it and they think they're going to

616
00:28:42,176 --> 00:28:46,136
Speaker 2: be like, you know, king king of the castle, they

617
00:28:46,176 --> 00:28:48,656
Speaker 2: are you know, in over their head and they don't

618
00:28:48,696 --> 00:28:50,736
Speaker 2: even know it until it's too late. And I think

619
00:28:50,776 --> 00:28:53,136
Speaker 2: that's why it's like, you know, I'm not surprised. Jim

620
00:28:53,176 --> 00:28:55,496
Speaker 2: Harball had a really good first season the Chargers because

621
00:28:55,496 --> 00:28:58,815
Speaker 2: he spent fifteen years there as as as a player,

622
00:28:58,896 --> 00:29:01,736
Speaker 2: and then he like did really well, took the forty

623
00:29:01,816 --> 00:29:04,336
Speaker 2: nine ers to the super Bowl pretty fast, Like he

624
00:29:04,416 --> 00:29:07,616
Speaker 2: knew what that's like. Most college guys they think they know,

625
00:29:07,896 --> 00:29:09,696
Speaker 2: but they don't unless they've actually been there.

626
00:29:10,136 --> 00:29:12,216
Speaker 3: You guys can check out all Bruce's work Bruce Feldman

627
00:29:12,256 --> 00:29:15,736
Speaker 3: dot com and his podcast The Audible with Stu and Bruce.

628
00:29:16,256 --> 00:29:18,096
Speaker 3: The last episode, you guys were talking about Kellen Moore.

629
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Speaker 3: I think that was super interesting that people can dial

630
00:29:20,376 --> 00:29:22,976
Speaker 3: in on that if they want to hear more about that. Bruce,

631
00:29:23,016 --> 00:29:25,336
Speaker 3: thank you so much for the time. Follow Bruce on Twitter,

632
00:29:25,336 --> 00:29:28,815
Speaker 3: Bruce Feldman c FB and looking forward to seeing what

633
00:29:28,856 --> 00:29:32,136
Speaker 3: you have to write after the combine. That's my favorite

634
00:29:32,176 --> 00:29:33,456
Speaker 3: is when you're up there with those guys. So thank

635
00:29:33,496 --> 00:29:34,936
Speaker 3: you again for the time. We hope to see you soon.

636
00:29:35,136 --> 00:29:35,616
Speaker 2: My pleasure.

637
00:29:35,656 --> 00:29:39,496
Speaker 3: Thank you guys. I say with you, I did not

638
00:29:39,656 --> 00:29:41,056
Speaker 3: know you were a big hip hop guy.

639
00:29:41,816 --> 00:29:44,056
Speaker 5: Oh growing up, you know, I was in the San

640
00:29:44,136 --> 00:29:45,176
Speaker 5: Fernando Valley, LA.

641
00:29:46,176 --> 00:29:47,656
Speaker 3: It was rap was it?

642
00:29:47,736 --> 00:29:47,896
Speaker 2: Man?

643
00:29:47,976 --> 00:29:48,496
Speaker 3: Hip hop?

644
00:29:48,856 --> 00:29:52,256
Speaker 6: Doctor Dre Snoop Dogg kind of grew up listening to

645
00:29:52,296 --> 00:29:54,456
Speaker 6: all those guys. But then my brother was big into

646
00:29:54,496 --> 00:29:56,575
Speaker 6: Wu Tang and I got into like Wu Tang, and

647
00:29:56,576 --> 00:30:01,096
Speaker 6: then it was like that East Coast West Coast Tupac Biggie.

648
00:30:01,496 --> 00:30:03,736
Speaker 6: I mean, you have the legends of the game that

649
00:30:03,816 --> 00:30:06,416
Speaker 6: were right before your eyes when you're growing up. And

650
00:30:06,496 --> 00:30:09,736
Speaker 6: so I was big into hip hop culture for sure.

651
00:30:09,976 --> 00:30:12,176
Speaker 6: Do you wear the clothes, don't kid yourself. I used

652
00:30:12,176 --> 00:30:15,376
Speaker 6: to have cross colors. Okay, I look like the biggest

653
00:30:15,416 --> 00:30:18,416
Speaker 6: idiot ever. I went to public school, would wear cross colors,

654
00:30:18,456 --> 00:30:19,855
Speaker 6: and you know those cross colors back in the day,

655
00:30:19,896 --> 00:30:21,696
Speaker 6: they had like the jeans with like a bugs bunny

656
00:30:21,736 --> 00:30:21,976
Speaker 6: on the.

657
00:30:21,936 --> 00:30:24,136
Speaker 3: Side and stuff like that. I thought I looked so tight.

658
00:30:24,176 --> 00:30:26,736
Speaker 6: But then I looked back and I was like, what

659
00:30:27,256 --> 00:30:29,736
Speaker 6: was I wearing. I'm so glad that that has gone

660
00:30:29,776 --> 00:30:32,016
Speaker 6: out of style, the baggy jeans and all that stuff,

661
00:30:32,376 --> 00:30:34,936
Speaker 6: because you know, you do it as a kid because

662
00:30:34,936 --> 00:30:37,656
Speaker 6: you're influenced by everything that you see. But then you

663
00:30:37,696 --> 00:30:40,176
Speaker 6: look back and you go, gosh, we looked so stupid.

664
00:30:40,616 --> 00:30:43,136
Speaker 3: Your kids will have that though, just different different.

665
00:30:43,336 --> 00:30:46,416
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm okay with the tight tighter pants you mean now,

666
00:30:47,416 --> 00:30:48,296
Speaker 6: just generally speaking.

667
00:30:48,696 --> 00:30:53,776
Speaker 3: When I was twenty four, I signed a record deal

668
00:30:53,776 --> 00:30:59,615
Speaker 3: as a hip hop artist. What was one artist name?

669
00:30:59,856 --> 00:31:02,376
Speaker 3: That's the part that's funny. Yes, So I want to

670
00:31:02,376 --> 00:31:04,216
Speaker 3: tell you the whole story about how it happened. So

671
00:31:04,376 --> 00:31:07,216
Speaker 3: I never really fancied myself a rapper, nor has any

672
00:31:07,296 --> 00:31:09,656
Speaker 3: rapper ever said they fancied anything. There's not only a

673
00:31:09,736 --> 00:31:14,536
Speaker 3: term rappers used to fancy themselves doing anything. But I

674
00:31:14,616 --> 00:31:19,016
Speaker 3: was pretty quick, and I liked to freestyle a little bit.

675
00:31:19,216 --> 00:31:23,536
Speaker 3: Mostly it was like funny poetry more than it felt

676
00:31:23,576 --> 00:31:27,496
Speaker 3: like rapping. And so I remember once my friend Eddie

677
00:31:27,496 --> 00:31:29,536
Speaker 3: had his guitar and he was not part of the

678
00:31:29,536 --> 00:31:31,496
Speaker 3: show yet. He did not become part of the show

679
00:31:31,536 --> 00:31:33,815
Speaker 3: to move to Nashville, but he was playing his guitar

680
00:31:34,056 --> 00:31:37,096
Speaker 3: and we were doing like a Bob Marley, you know,

681
00:31:37,176 --> 00:31:39,416
Speaker 3: no Woman, no Cry, and I was doing this wrapping

682
00:31:39,456 --> 00:31:41,496
Speaker 3: over the top of it, just goofing around. But we

683
00:31:41,496 --> 00:31:44,576
Speaker 3: had a guest that was coming in, and the guest

684
00:31:44,856 --> 00:31:48,815
Speaker 3: was a potential pop star named Carly Patterson who had

685
00:31:48,816 --> 00:31:51,416
Speaker 3: been an Olympic gold medalist for the United States. And

686
00:31:51,456 --> 00:31:54,855
Speaker 3: so they were turning these Olympic gold medalists when they

687
00:31:54,896 --> 00:31:58,056
Speaker 3: had their shine time if they could sing They wanted

688
00:31:58,056 --> 00:32:00,496
Speaker 3: to turn them into something to sell records, and so

689
00:32:00,696 --> 00:32:02,616
Speaker 3: she was out there with her record guy. I really

690
00:32:02,696 --> 00:32:04,816
Speaker 3: wasn't thinking about it, but he heard me rap over

691
00:32:04,856 --> 00:32:08,496
Speaker 3: this song, and so after we do the interview, he

692
00:32:08,696 --> 00:32:10,936
Speaker 3: thought I was trying to be a rapper, which I wasn't.

693
00:32:11,256 --> 00:32:13,736
Speaker 3: He was like, do you want to sing a rap

694
00:32:13,736 --> 00:32:16,296
Speaker 3: over on this song as I feature with Carly? Yeah?

695
00:32:17,616 --> 00:32:19,456
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, sure, why not? So I

696
00:32:19,536 --> 00:32:22,136
Speaker 3: signed a deal. I'll tell you the name in a minute,

697
00:32:23,216 --> 00:32:26,936
Speaker 3: and so so much anticipation right now. So I started

698
00:32:26,976 --> 00:32:28,936
Speaker 3: to just rap a little bit.

699
00:32:29,016 --> 00:32:29,336
Speaker 2: Locally.

700
00:32:29,376 --> 00:32:31,376
Speaker 3: I was living in Austin, Texas. I think I was

701
00:32:31,456 --> 00:32:34,976
Speaker 3: voted the second best rapper in Austin, Texas. Come on

702
00:32:35,096 --> 00:32:38,856
Speaker 3: in the Austin Chronicle, which is their monthly music publication.

703
00:32:39,216 --> 00:32:39,336
Speaker 6: You know.

704
00:32:39,456 --> 00:32:41,335
Speaker 3: Not bad for somebody who really doesn't do it. Not

705
00:32:41,376 --> 00:32:43,815
Speaker 3: bad the second best rapper in Austin. It wasn't like

706
00:32:43,856 --> 00:32:45,656
Speaker 3: Atlanta or New York or LA.

707
00:32:45,736 --> 00:32:48,896
Speaker 6: But but Houston's got a rap. I mean, Austin's not

708
00:32:49,816 --> 00:32:52,016
Speaker 6: even Austin, whatever it might be.

709
00:32:52,456 --> 00:32:54,296
Speaker 3: So so number one I think it was a guy

710
00:32:54,336 --> 00:32:57,896
Speaker 3: named Franchise, and number two it was me Captain Caucasian

711
00:33:00,536 --> 00:33:04,296
Speaker 3: Captain Caucasian. I mean you dug deep for that one, huh?

712
00:33:04,416 --> 00:33:06,376
Speaker 3: Or not at all? I mean, you know, not at all.

713
00:33:06,456 --> 00:33:07,776
Speaker 3: I just picked the thing right on the notes that

714
00:33:07,776 --> 00:33:10,496
Speaker 3: made the most sense. Captain Caucasis Caucasian was on the

715
00:33:11,376 --> 00:33:16,856
Speaker 3: second best rapper in Austin, Texas probably two thousand and four,

716
00:33:16,976 --> 00:33:21,696
Speaker 3: two thousand and five. Wow, that was my brief fora

717
00:33:21,696 --> 00:33:23,856
Speaker 3: into hip hop. Did what about if I just gave

718
00:33:23,856 --> 00:33:25,936
Speaker 3: you a little beat? Could you bust me something? No,

719
00:33:26,056 --> 00:33:28,056
Speaker 3: because there's no way I could live up. And that's

720
00:33:28,096 --> 00:33:30,576
Speaker 3: that's a terrible beat on. It's awful. It's all only

721
00:33:30,616 --> 00:33:32,776
Speaker 3: go he plus beats. So yeah, Captain Caucasian was a

722
00:33:32,816 --> 00:33:35,096
Speaker 3: thing for a minute, but that is amazing. Every once

723
00:33:35,096 --> 00:33:38,936
Speaker 3: in a while he comes out, but never as Captain Caucasian. Never. No,

724
00:33:39,216 --> 00:33:40,896
Speaker 3: I never welcome Captain Caucasian.

725
00:33:41,016 --> 00:33:42,896
Speaker 6: So you put that to bed pretty quick. I mean,

726
00:33:42,936 --> 00:33:46,136
Speaker 6: how long did you go? And actually you recorded something right?

727
00:33:46,256 --> 00:33:49,696
Speaker 3: I did the song with her right, and so then

728
00:33:49,736 --> 00:33:53,136
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I I know, we're not

729
00:33:53,216 --> 00:33:55,896
Speaker 3: really it's very brief. It's a very brief part of

730
00:33:55,896 --> 00:33:56,216
Speaker 3: my life.

731
00:33:56,696 --> 00:33:59,056
Speaker 6: That is amazing part of your life though, that you

732
00:33:59,136 --> 00:34:02,896
Speaker 6: got something to do a rap music. I never would

733
00:34:02,936 --> 00:34:04,736
Speaker 6: have guessed that Captain Caucasian.

734
00:34:04,816 --> 00:34:23,736
Speaker 3: Thank you getting a jersey with that put on the Now,

735
00:34:23,736 --> 00:34:26,416
Speaker 3: I'd like to debut a new segment called Goat Story.

736
00:34:26,776 --> 00:34:28,176
Speaker 3: We do get to talk to a lot of really

737
00:34:28,176 --> 00:34:32,296
Speaker 3: cool people that probably have great stories being around or

738
00:34:32,336 --> 00:34:36,856
Speaker 3: playing with different goats of different games. Yes, so we're

739
00:34:36,856 --> 00:34:39,496
Speaker 3: going to start with you, and I love this, so

740
00:34:39,576 --> 00:34:42,296
Speaker 3: let's do goat Stories. You go first, What goat would

741
00:34:42,296 --> 00:34:43,256
Speaker 3: you like to tell a story about?

742
00:34:44,136 --> 00:34:46,976
Speaker 6: I mean, the greatest goat I know that I played with,

743
00:34:47,056 --> 00:34:50,656
Speaker 6: obviously Tom Brady, so it's kind of hard to to

744
00:34:50,696 --> 00:34:54,176
Speaker 6: not go that direction. Great goat story. I mean, I

745
00:34:54,216 --> 00:34:58,336
Speaker 6: remember we're in this is my rookie year, and we're

746
00:34:58,336 --> 00:35:01,376
Speaker 6: playing Tampa Bay at home and this is to clinch

747
00:35:01,496 --> 00:35:06,176
Speaker 6: the division. And so we're about quarter in the game.

748
00:35:06,256 --> 00:35:08,696
Speaker 6: He comes off and he's standing up on the sideline.

749
00:35:08,736 --> 00:35:12,136
Speaker 5: I see him. He starts wincing like and I was like,

750
00:35:12,296 --> 00:35:14,136
Speaker 5: what is going on with this guy right now?

751
00:35:14,576 --> 00:35:16,416
Speaker 6: And I said, tell me okay. He's like, yeah, I

752
00:35:16,496 --> 00:35:19,216
Speaker 6: just got a lot of pain down low plus very short.

753
00:35:19,256 --> 00:35:21,136
Speaker 6: We ended up winning that game, but we go into

754
00:35:21,136 --> 00:35:23,496
Speaker 6: the locker room. His locker's next to me and we're

755
00:35:23,496 --> 00:35:26,496
Speaker 6: getting you know, we're getting undressed, and he's like, oh

756
00:35:26,496 --> 00:35:31,416
Speaker 6: my god. His left testicle was the size of a grapefruit.

757
00:35:31,656 --> 00:35:33,896
Speaker 6: It looked like a helmet it was. So he had

758
00:35:33,896 --> 00:35:36,536
Speaker 6: a sports herneia and that's why he was wincing on

759
00:35:36,576 --> 00:35:40,736
Speaker 6: the sideline. And this thing was blown up like a balloon, dude.

760
00:35:40,736 --> 00:35:42,616
Speaker 6: And I was like, oh my god. I went and

761
00:35:42,656 --> 00:35:44,696
Speaker 6: got the trainer. Trainer comes in, They go in and

762
00:35:44,736 --> 00:35:46,056
Speaker 6: I don't know what the heck they had to do,

763
00:35:46,096 --> 00:35:48,376
Speaker 6: but he had a sports hernea that had opened up

764
00:35:48,416 --> 00:35:51,496
Speaker 6: and was leaking fluid down into that area.

765
00:35:52,096 --> 00:35:53,936
Speaker 3: So I was like, this is right before we're about

766
00:35:53,976 --> 00:35:54,776
Speaker 3: to start playoffs.

767
00:35:54,896 --> 00:35:56,936
Speaker 5: So I'm like, what is going to go on with this?

768
00:35:57,496 --> 00:36:00,496
Speaker 6: So he either can have it surgically repaired or he

769
00:36:00,576 --> 00:36:03,456
Speaker 6: has to wait if he can manage the pain, and

770
00:36:03,536 --> 00:36:07,576
Speaker 6: they would have to drain the thing. Right, So he's

771
00:36:07,616 --> 00:36:13,216
Speaker 6: sitting there and he goes and he practices with Obviously

772
00:36:13,216 --> 00:36:16,856
Speaker 6: they were being very cautious throughout the week, but we

773
00:36:16,896 --> 00:36:19,616
Speaker 6: go in and he goes and plays in the playoffs.

774
00:36:19,696 --> 00:36:21,056
Speaker 6: Now I was like, what are you going to do

775
00:36:21,096 --> 00:36:22,856
Speaker 6: about this? And all he said was I'm going to

776
00:36:22,896 --> 00:36:26,296
Speaker 6: put on two jockstraps. So we went in and played

777
00:36:26,496 --> 00:36:30,496
Speaker 6: in the playoffs, and this guy has a severe tear

778
00:36:30,736 --> 00:36:35,256
Speaker 6: and a hernia that could possibly lead to some serious complications,

779
00:36:35,496 --> 00:36:37,616
Speaker 6: but he goes out and balls out in the first round.

780
00:36:37,936 --> 00:36:40,456
Speaker 6: I think we lost to Denver. That was the game

781
00:36:40,496 --> 00:36:43,976
Speaker 6: that Jake Plumber and those guys. They ended up beating

782
00:36:44,056 --> 00:36:49,656
Speaker 6: us in Denver that year, my rookie year. But at

783
00:36:49,656 --> 00:36:52,776
Speaker 6: the same time, just watching him go through that and

784
00:36:52,816 --> 00:36:55,536
Speaker 6: then also understanding that he wasn't going to come off

785
00:36:55,536 --> 00:36:58,336
Speaker 6: the field regardless of the situation, I was like, dude,

786
00:36:58,336 --> 00:36:59,856
Speaker 6: you're a pretty badass guy.

787
00:36:59,936 --> 00:37:01,416
Speaker 3: Does that go on to injury report if you have

788
00:37:01,416 --> 00:37:02,496
Speaker 3: a sports hernia?

789
00:37:03,216 --> 00:37:05,456
Speaker 6: I would think that they would have to, well all

790
00:37:05,616 --> 00:37:08,416
Speaker 6: days they do. Back then, you could put anything on it,

791
00:37:08,456 --> 00:37:12,776
Speaker 6: Like Tom Brady was on the injury report for fifteen

792
00:37:12,816 --> 00:37:14,776
Speaker 6: years with a shoulder, Like they just put him on

793
00:37:14,816 --> 00:37:17,856
Speaker 6: every week for whatever reason. I don't understand why. But

794
00:37:17,896 --> 00:37:21,176
Speaker 6: then everything's changed. You have to now send in the

795
00:37:21,216 --> 00:37:24,136
Speaker 6: injury report early. You can get fined, you can do

796
00:37:24,336 --> 00:37:26,896
Speaker 6: have all these different penalties that are associated with not

797
00:37:26,976 --> 00:37:27,856
Speaker 6: reporting injuries.

798
00:37:28,976 --> 00:37:30,656
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying this being funny, but this test

799
00:37:30,656 --> 00:37:32,536
Speaker 3: school was so large you could see it just sitting

800
00:37:32,576 --> 00:37:34,576
Speaker 3: next to him. It was already black and blue. Oh

801
00:37:34,656 --> 00:37:36,216
Speaker 3: my god, like that hurt's thinking of it.

802
00:37:36,256 --> 00:37:38,416
Speaker 6: Yeah, guys, like if you when I tell that story,

803
00:37:38,456 --> 00:37:39,856
Speaker 6: everybody's like, oh what.

804
00:37:40,816 --> 00:37:43,976
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, yeah, pretty wild. That's a goat.

805
00:37:44,216 --> 00:37:46,536
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a goat right there, and just manned up

806
00:37:46,536 --> 00:37:48,776
Speaker 6: and said, I'll double jockstrap it.

807
00:37:49,016 --> 00:37:51,216
Speaker 3: We're good boys. And having to run lopside it a

808
00:37:51,256 --> 00:37:53,815
Speaker 3: little bit too, yeah, because all that's not the same. Yeah,

809
00:37:53,856 --> 00:37:54,496
Speaker 3: and you have.

810
00:37:54,416 --> 00:37:57,016
Speaker 6: To drop back, like you, that's all you do is

811
00:37:57,096 --> 00:37:59,096
Speaker 6: drop back, you get hit, whatever it might be.

812
00:37:59,496 --> 00:38:02,696
Speaker 3: You're feeling that thing NonStop. So I looked it up.

813
00:38:02,776 --> 00:38:08,536
Speaker 3: A sports hernia, also called an athletic pubalgia, a soft

814
00:38:08,536 --> 00:38:11,696
Speaker 3: tissue injury in the groin or lower abdomen, typically caused

815
00:38:11,696 --> 00:38:15,936
Speaker 3: by repetitive twisting, cutting, or explosive movements common in sports

816
00:38:16,136 --> 00:38:19,416
Speaker 3: like football, hockey, and soccer, and involves tears restraints in

817
00:38:19,416 --> 00:38:23,776
Speaker 3: the muscles, tendons, or ligaments in the lower abdominal wall

818
00:38:23,976 --> 00:38:29,216
Speaker 3: or groin, sharp groin pain, which worsens with activity. Yeah.

819
00:38:29,376 --> 00:38:32,416
Speaker 3: It doesn't heal on its own easily, and severe cases

820
00:38:32,416 --> 00:38:35,736
Speaker 3: may require surgery to repair the tissue. If someone suspect

821
00:38:35,776 --> 00:38:37,456
Speaker 3: they have a sports hernia, they should see a doctor,

822
00:38:37,616 --> 00:38:40,736
Speaker 3: and it's often misdiagnosed as a groin strain. So he

823
00:38:40,856 --> 00:38:41,536
Speaker 3: played with that.

824
00:38:41,736 --> 00:38:45,336
Speaker 6: He played with that for for the next three weeks,

825
00:38:45,416 --> 00:38:48,936
Speaker 6: like that was week fifteen, I think going into sixteen,

826
00:38:49,216 --> 00:38:51,656
Speaker 6: he played the first quarter against Miami, which was a

827
00:38:51,736 --> 00:38:54,976
Speaker 6: use pointless game because we had already clinched, and so

828
00:38:55,376 --> 00:38:56,456
Speaker 6: then he went into playoffs.

829
00:38:56,576 --> 00:38:58,176
Speaker 5: We beat the drama out of I.

830
00:38:58,096 --> 00:39:00,256
Speaker 6: Think it was the Jets that year, and then went

831
00:39:00,256 --> 00:39:02,656
Speaker 6: to Denver and lost in Denver. But I mean, it

832
00:39:02,736 --> 00:39:04,656
Speaker 6: was wild to see him go through that and then

833
00:39:04,696 --> 00:39:07,136
Speaker 6: at the same time just act like nothing was happening.

834
00:39:07,176 --> 00:39:09,416
Speaker 5: He was one of the toughest SLBs I've ever been around.

835
00:39:09,856 --> 00:39:13,976
Speaker 3: How do you get better as a backup? It's a

836
00:39:13,976 --> 00:39:14,496
Speaker 3: good question.

837
00:39:14,536 --> 00:39:18,936
Speaker 6: I mean, the toughest challenge for any backup is that

838
00:39:19,016 --> 00:39:21,056
Speaker 6: you don't get the reps during the regular season, So

839
00:39:21,136 --> 00:39:23,496
Speaker 6: you have to take advantage of when you get into

840
00:39:23,536 --> 00:39:26,896
Speaker 6: camp in the offseason because you're rotated in you're gonna

841
00:39:26,896 --> 00:39:29,376
Speaker 6: get a fair share of reps. When I say fair share,

842
00:39:29,576 --> 00:39:32,776
Speaker 6: it's still weighted toward the starter, especially as season starts

843
00:39:32,776 --> 00:39:35,776
Speaker 6: to ramp up. But you get a ton of reps,

844
00:39:35,816 --> 00:39:38,296
Speaker 6: and then you're also playing in those preseason games, a

845
00:39:38,336 --> 00:39:40,336
Speaker 6: majority of those preseason games, so you have to take

846
00:39:40,376 --> 00:39:42,816
Speaker 6: advantage of that now. As soon as you get in

847
00:39:42,856 --> 00:39:47,136
Speaker 6: the season, though you basically are down to maybe a

848
00:39:47,176 --> 00:39:49,136
Speaker 6: rep here. They might throw you a bone here or there,

849
00:39:49,456 --> 00:39:51,656
Speaker 6: but you're going over doing nine on seven drills, which

850
00:39:51,736 --> 00:39:54,696
Speaker 6: is a run drill, and so you'll go and do

851
00:39:54,776 --> 00:39:57,536
Speaker 6: the run droll while the starting quarterbacks usually throwing routes

852
00:39:57,576 --> 00:40:00,976
Speaker 6: on air and all that stuff. And then the hardest

853
00:40:00,976 --> 00:40:04,456
Speaker 6: thing I believe for most backup quarterbacks is because you

854
00:40:04,536 --> 00:40:07,176
Speaker 6: run scout team. The scout team is you're basically giving

855
00:40:07,176 --> 00:40:11,896
Speaker 6: a look of the opposing offense's plays and they're drawn

856
00:40:11,976 --> 00:40:13,776
Speaker 6: up each and every day. But a lot of times

857
00:40:13,856 --> 00:40:16,136
Speaker 6: they want you to throw the ball to a particular area.

858
00:40:16,176 --> 00:40:16,776
Speaker 3: They want you to.

859
00:40:16,776 --> 00:40:19,776
Speaker 6: Challenge a certain corner or get this safety to make

860
00:40:19,816 --> 00:40:20,536
Speaker 6: sure he's over the top.

861
00:40:20,576 --> 00:40:23,176
Speaker 3: So you're going to throw it regardless of in your mind.

862
00:40:23,176 --> 00:40:24,976
Speaker 6: Half the time you're sitting there going I'd never throw

863
00:40:25,016 --> 00:40:27,576
Speaker 6: that ball looking at this defense, but they want you

864
00:40:27,656 --> 00:40:29,136
Speaker 6: to do that to get them the rep and to

865
00:40:29,176 --> 00:40:30,616
Speaker 6: make sure that they're in the right position.

866
00:40:31,336 --> 00:40:33,576
Speaker 5: So you have to guard yourself against that because you.

867
00:40:33,496 --> 00:40:36,656
Speaker 6: Can create bad habits, right forcing the ball, fitting balls

868
00:40:36,656 --> 00:40:39,496
Speaker 6: into windows that normally you wouldn't, or not really going

869
00:40:39,536 --> 00:40:43,016
Speaker 6: through a progression like you would normally because they want

870
00:40:43,056 --> 00:40:44,896
Speaker 6: you to throw it to a particular area. So you've

871
00:40:45,456 --> 00:40:47,696
Speaker 6: got to challenge yourself and understand, like, look, you're just

872
00:40:47,776 --> 00:40:50,416
Speaker 6: giving them a look for what they need to see.

873
00:40:50,456 --> 00:40:53,576
Speaker 6: But then when you get into those team periods, it's

874
00:40:53,856 --> 00:40:55,976
Speaker 6: so important for every backup and I would do it.

875
00:40:56,016 --> 00:40:58,456
Speaker 6: I would try to call the play because we'd call

876
00:40:58,496 --> 00:41:01,256
Speaker 6: the plays in like we were in a game, and

877
00:41:01,336 --> 00:41:03,896
Speaker 6: so I try to call the play out loud, look

878
00:41:03,936 --> 00:41:06,736
Speaker 6: at make sure that I make the appropriate mike point,

879
00:41:07,096 --> 00:41:09,416
Speaker 6: and then I'm going through the progression. But it's more

880
00:41:09,896 --> 00:41:12,536
Speaker 6: of you doing those mental reps, and that's the challenging part.

881
00:41:12,616 --> 00:41:13,656
Speaker 5: Sometimes when you see.

882
00:41:13,496 --> 00:41:16,336
Speaker 6: Guys midway through the year come in and all of

883
00:41:16,336 --> 00:41:18,936
Speaker 6: a sudden they struggle the first few weeks, Well, they're.

884
00:41:18,776 --> 00:41:20,576
Speaker 3: Just now getting time on task. Again.

885
00:41:20,616 --> 00:41:22,456
Speaker 6: With these guys, you're in and out of the huddle,

886
00:41:22,816 --> 00:41:26,896
Speaker 6: and there is no substitute for game speed, right, you

887
00:41:27,656 --> 00:41:30,376
Speaker 6: can't simulate that in practice, and so when you get

888
00:41:30,416 --> 00:41:32,256
Speaker 6: on the field, in those circumstances.

889
00:41:32,656 --> 00:41:34,576
Speaker 3: A lot of times it's like it's a wake up

890
00:41:34,576 --> 00:41:35,216
Speaker 3: call once again.

891
00:41:35,696 --> 00:41:38,576
Speaker 6: Everything is at a whole other level than what you've

892
00:41:38,616 --> 00:41:39,576
Speaker 6: experienced before.

893
00:41:39,816 --> 00:41:40,776
Speaker 3: So it is a challenge.

894
00:41:40,776 --> 00:41:43,096
Speaker 6: But I think the best backups one are guys that

895
00:41:43,136 --> 00:41:46,056
Speaker 6: have had some experience playing because they're not too.

896
00:41:45,896 --> 00:41:47,056
Speaker 3: Overwhelmed by the moment.

897
00:41:47,976 --> 00:41:50,496
Speaker 6: And then number two are guys that can put in

898
00:41:50,616 --> 00:41:51,296
Speaker 6: extra work.

899
00:41:52,096 --> 00:41:53,816
Speaker 3: And by that, I mean you have to.

900
00:41:53,776 --> 00:41:56,416
Speaker 6: Study that much harder, I feel like as a backup,

901
00:41:56,456 --> 00:41:59,296
Speaker 6: because you've got to really know what the game plan is,

902
00:41:59,896 --> 00:42:02,576
Speaker 6: what your checks are, and be able to operate at

903
00:42:02,576 --> 00:42:05,256
Speaker 6: that level when you get in the game or if

904
00:42:05,296 --> 00:42:06,096
Speaker 6: you get in the game.

905
00:42:06,256 --> 00:42:08,536
Speaker 3: Is there a staying after school element to it where

906
00:42:08,536 --> 00:42:10,416
Speaker 3: you can stay after practice and work on things with

907
00:42:10,496 --> 00:42:12,376
Speaker 3: some of the other players as a backup, or is

908
00:42:12,416 --> 00:42:14,536
Speaker 3: it over when it's over in the day. No.

909
00:42:14,536 --> 00:42:18,216
Speaker 6: Normally, after practice you get some time in between the

910
00:42:18,336 --> 00:42:20,976
Speaker 6: end of practice going in, you can get treatment, a

911
00:42:21,056 --> 00:42:23,096
Speaker 6: lot guys shower, some guys will even get a work out,

912
00:42:23,136 --> 00:42:25,216
Speaker 6: and so you get like that forty five minute to

913
00:42:25,256 --> 00:42:26,736
Speaker 6: an hour, and a lot of times i'd keep the

914
00:42:26,776 --> 00:42:29,496
Speaker 6: young guys practice squad players and stuff like that just

915
00:42:29,496 --> 00:42:32,056
Speaker 6: to work on certain routes, just to continue to work

916
00:42:32,096 --> 00:42:34,736
Speaker 6: your footwork your rhythm, because you don't always.

917
00:42:34,376 --> 00:42:37,456
Speaker 3: Get those reps during practice.

918
00:42:37,496 --> 00:42:39,616
Speaker 6: In addition to that, there's sometimes where there's guys like

919
00:42:39,616 --> 00:42:41,576
Speaker 6: the tight end room, they want to catch some extra

920
00:42:41,616 --> 00:42:43,856
Speaker 6: balls or something like that, and they'll ask you to

921
00:42:43,896 --> 00:42:46,896
Speaker 6: come throw to them, which is valuable reps in itself

922
00:42:46,936 --> 00:42:49,176
Speaker 6: to be able to get reps with guys that are

923
00:42:49,216 --> 00:42:49,816
Speaker 6: going to be playing.

924
00:42:50,096 --> 00:42:51,656
Speaker 3: One other question about this before I go to my

925
00:42:51,696 --> 00:42:57,216
Speaker 3: goat story, But if you're the backup, how much does

926
00:42:57,696 --> 00:43:00,336
Speaker 3: the starting quarterback depend on you? And I'm sure it's

927
00:43:00,776 --> 00:43:02,936
Speaker 3: different in every relationship. And is it ever not a

928
00:43:02,976 --> 00:43:06,136
Speaker 3: great relationship where somebody feels threatened by the backup?

929
00:43:06,656 --> 00:43:09,416
Speaker 6: I believe there's a lot of those circumstances where a

930
00:43:09,416 --> 00:43:11,816
Speaker 6: young guy comes in and it's all about the temperament

931
00:43:11,856 --> 00:43:14,696
Speaker 6: and the personality of the guy coming in. And when

932
00:43:14,736 --> 00:43:16,856
Speaker 6: I say that, it's is this guy going to come

933
00:43:16,856 --> 00:43:19,496
Speaker 6: in and he's immediately going to make you feel threatened

934
00:43:19,496 --> 00:43:23,216
Speaker 6: and like kind of standoffish, not want to be part

935
00:43:23,216 --> 00:43:24,896
Speaker 6: of the group, be above the group, you know what

936
00:43:24,936 --> 00:43:28,416
Speaker 6: I mean? There's always that certain type of dynamic. There's

937
00:43:28,456 --> 00:43:31,576
Speaker 6: not always that certain type of dynamic. But there is

938
00:43:31,656 --> 00:43:33,336
Speaker 6: that especially when you bring a young guy in.

939
00:43:33,416 --> 00:43:33,536
Speaker 5: Now.

940
00:43:33,536 --> 00:43:36,376
Speaker 6: I've been blessed everywhere that I've been that the guys

941
00:43:36,456 --> 00:43:38,616
Speaker 6: understand the room. We spend so much time with each

942
00:43:38,656 --> 00:43:41,416
Speaker 6: other that as long as you guys are a cohesive

943
00:43:41,456 --> 00:43:43,536
Speaker 6: group and you're all cheering for one another, we're not

944
00:43:43,536 --> 00:43:47,216
Speaker 6: competing against one another. You're when you're competing, you're competing

945
00:43:47,216 --> 00:43:48,696
Speaker 6: to be the best that you can be out on

946
00:43:48,696 --> 00:43:50,416
Speaker 6: the field when you get your opportunity. But when the

947
00:43:50,456 --> 00:43:53,136
Speaker 6: other guy's in, look, you want to see him do well.

948
00:43:53,176 --> 00:43:54,736
Speaker 6: You don't want to see him go out there and fail.

949
00:43:54,776 --> 00:43:57,536
Speaker 6: And I was lucky because I went to a situation

950
00:43:57,576 --> 00:43:59,936
Speaker 6: when I got to New England with Tom Brady. He's

951
00:43:59,936 --> 00:44:02,376
Speaker 6: not threatened by some seventh round dud. He just came

952
00:44:02,376 --> 00:44:04,656
Speaker 6: off his third Super Bowl in four years. So it

953
00:44:04,736 --> 00:44:06,896
Speaker 6: made it for such an easy transition. And he was

954
00:44:07,176 --> 00:44:09,696
Speaker 6: so cool and was a mentor to me. I got there.

955
00:44:09,776 --> 00:44:12,136
Speaker 6: He asked me if I wanted to become his workout partner.

956
00:44:12,256 --> 00:44:15,056
Speaker 6: We started working out together, pushing each other, and so

957
00:44:15,776 --> 00:44:22,056
Speaker 6: that dynamic was outstanding. And so it's always there's a

958
00:44:22,216 --> 00:44:25,056
Speaker 6: happy happy or a fine line.

959
00:44:25,096 --> 00:44:27,176
Speaker 3: I should say between.

960
00:44:27,136 --> 00:44:30,896
Speaker 6: Guys that want to take your job and go about

961
00:44:30,896 --> 00:44:32,976
Speaker 6: it that way and have a little bit of an

962
00:44:33,016 --> 00:44:35,616
Speaker 6: ego involved, versus guys that are just like, Hey, if

963
00:44:35,656 --> 00:44:37,096
Speaker 6: I get my opportunity, I'm going to go out there

964
00:44:37,096 --> 00:44:38,656
Speaker 6: and try to ball out to the best of my ability.

965
00:44:38,656 --> 00:44:41,176
Speaker 6: But when you're out there, I'm your boy, dude, I

966
00:44:41,216 --> 00:44:43,696
Speaker 6: got your back. I'm going to be your biggest cheerleader,

967
00:44:43,736 --> 00:44:44,376
Speaker 6: so to speak.

968
00:44:44,736 --> 00:44:47,456
Speaker 3: Dan, That's cool. My goat story would be I spent

969
00:44:47,496 --> 00:44:49,416
Speaker 3: a lot of time with Ryan Seacrest. He's basically a

970
00:44:49,416 --> 00:44:54,416
Speaker 3: Tom Brady of the broadcasting yeahs of our generation. He

971
00:44:54,536 --> 00:44:57,136
Speaker 3: is the greatest, right. I think every decade or so

972
00:44:57,216 --> 00:44:59,696
Speaker 3: you have the Casey Kasem's or that you can go

973
00:44:59,736 --> 00:45:02,416
Speaker 3: down the line the very famous broadcasters. And I spent

974
00:45:02,496 --> 00:45:04,896
Speaker 3: four years on American Idol and they brought me in

975
00:45:05,616 --> 00:45:09,176
Speaker 3: and I think it was weird at first, as for

976
00:45:09,256 --> 00:45:13,096
Speaker 3: two reasons. One, Ryan had started doing Ryan and Kelly,

977
00:45:13,136 --> 00:45:18,856
Speaker 3: which was Regis and Kelly, and then Ryan takes that

978
00:45:19,096 --> 00:45:22,216
Speaker 3: job and it was Ryan and Kelly after Michael and Kelly.

979
00:45:22,296 --> 00:45:23,976
Speaker 3: Just so we have all the names. It was Regis

980
00:45:23,976 --> 00:45:25,656
Speaker 3: and Kelly, then it was Michael Strayan and Kelly. Then

981
00:45:25,656 --> 00:45:28,256
Speaker 3: it was Ryan and Kelly, and so Ryan was living

982
00:45:28,256 --> 00:45:30,456
Speaker 3: in New York a lot and having to fly back

983
00:45:30,496 --> 00:45:33,016
Speaker 3: to LA to do idol. So they bring me in

984
00:45:33,016 --> 00:45:35,696
Speaker 3: in case one Ryan gets sick or couldn't be there,

985
00:45:36,696 --> 00:45:39,816
Speaker 3: and two, I think partially in case he did not

986
00:45:39,896 --> 00:45:42,696
Speaker 3: resign a contract got it. So it was if he

987
00:45:42,736 --> 00:45:46,216
Speaker 3: doesn't re sign, we'll just go to Ryan junior varsity, which.

988
00:45:46,056 --> 00:45:49,016
Speaker 6: Was me, not junior varsity. Bro, you've already made it.

989
00:45:49,056 --> 00:45:50,936
Speaker 6: If they contracted you to come in stop.

990
00:45:51,256 --> 00:45:53,016
Speaker 3: And they did contract me, and I know it was

991
00:45:53,096 --> 00:45:55,976
Speaker 3: a bit awkward maybe for him. At first. For me,

992
00:45:56,136 --> 00:45:58,256
Speaker 3: I was just Niven dumb and I was just like,

993
00:45:58,656 --> 00:46:00,216
Speaker 3: let's go. I'm gonna be on American Idol. And they

994
00:46:00,216 --> 00:46:03,656
Speaker 3: brought me in at first to just mentor the contestants

995
00:46:03,656 --> 00:46:05,896
Speaker 3: on the basic stuff. But then I started to get

996
00:46:05,896 --> 00:46:07,616
Speaker 3: more and more camera time because I was talking about

997
00:46:07,656 --> 00:46:09,176
Speaker 3: like life with them and they had similar stories that

998
00:46:09,216 --> 00:46:11,576
Speaker 3: I did, like it, never been to a big city, had,

999
00:46:11,696 --> 00:46:15,096
Speaker 3: you know, come from certain backgrounds. And so then they

1000
00:46:15,136 --> 00:46:18,016
Speaker 3: started to put me in places where when Ryan couldn't

1001
00:46:18,056 --> 00:46:21,256
Speaker 3: get back from New York to LA, they would go, hey,

1002
00:46:21,256 --> 00:46:22,696
Speaker 3: go do this in the crowd. This is what Ryan

1003
00:46:22,736 --> 00:46:25,136
Speaker 3: normally does in there. So then I was doing that

1004
00:46:25,176 --> 00:46:28,176
Speaker 3: and filling in more and more unbeknownst to me. As

1005
00:46:28,176 --> 00:46:29,856
Speaker 3: I was told, it started to get a little awkward

1006
00:46:29,896 --> 00:46:32,136
Speaker 3: because he was still going through a contract negotiation. And

1007
00:46:32,176 --> 00:46:34,696
Speaker 3: I have the greatest respect for Ryan. He's always been

1008
00:46:34,736 --> 00:46:36,896
Speaker 3: awesome to me. I didn't know this was a factor

1009
00:46:36,936 --> 00:46:39,376
Speaker 3: at all. So he was a cool dad though. So

1010
00:46:39,536 --> 00:46:43,216
Speaker 3: you guys got along, We got along great. I did

1011
00:46:43,256 --> 00:46:46,736
Speaker 3: not know that this was an element at play, right,

1012
00:46:47,016 --> 00:46:49,256
Speaker 3: So they bring me in in the first year that

1013
00:46:49,256 --> 00:46:53,656
Speaker 3: I'm on the show. They pay me union minimum, which

1014
00:46:53,696 --> 00:46:55,696
Speaker 3: is like two thousand dollars an episode, And they had

1015
00:46:55,736 --> 00:46:58,616
Speaker 3: no idea that I was flying in from Nashville, so

1016
00:46:58,696 --> 00:47:01,296
Speaker 3: I was losing money, oh Man to come in and shoot.

1017
00:47:01,336 --> 00:47:03,256
Speaker 3: But I didn't want to be a problem, right, So

1018
00:47:03,336 --> 00:47:04,696
Speaker 3: if I'm like, no, I'm staying at a hotel. I

1019
00:47:04,736 --> 00:47:08,776
Speaker 3: need hotel, I need airfare. My job was in my mind,

1020
00:47:08,896 --> 00:47:12,056
Speaker 3: get there, impress them, show them that I'm reliable and

1021
00:47:12,096 --> 00:47:14,736
Speaker 3: I'm also really good in that order that they're gonna

1022
00:47:14,736 --> 00:47:17,376
Speaker 3: want to extend me. And so they did, and my

1023
00:47:17,496 --> 00:47:19,736
Speaker 3: contract for the next three years after that was seven

1024
00:47:19,776 --> 00:47:23,296
Speaker 3: figures every year. So I lost money year one, but

1025
00:47:23,376 --> 00:47:25,216
Speaker 3: for the next three years it's in the show. It

1026
00:47:25,296 --> 00:47:27,376
Speaker 3: was over million dollars every year and it went up.

1027
00:47:27,456 --> 00:47:32,896
Speaker 3: It was awesome, right, Yeah, So I learned of the

1028
00:47:33,016 --> 00:47:35,816
Speaker 3: dynamic from the producers and they're like, you know, Ryan's

1029
00:47:35,816 --> 00:47:38,336
Speaker 3: in negotiation. Ryan got sick. There's only ever been one

1030
00:47:38,376 --> 00:47:40,936
Speaker 3: guest host of American Idol. It was me. So Ryan

1031
00:47:40,976 --> 00:47:43,776
Speaker 3: gets really of all the years there's been one guest host. Yeah,

1032
00:47:43,816 --> 00:47:47,616
Speaker 3: and you are. I'm in knuckles, knuckles, you got it, knuckles.

1033
00:47:47,696 --> 00:47:52,936
Speaker 3: So Ryan and season one that they had two different

1034
00:47:52,936 --> 00:47:54,896
Speaker 3: hosts but of the same show that he left and

1035
00:47:54,896 --> 00:47:56,616
Speaker 3: then it was just Ryan. So Ryan gets sick. They

1036
00:47:56,656 --> 00:47:59,336
Speaker 3: called me like thirty minutes before the show's on. They're like, hey,

1037
00:47:59,376 --> 00:48:01,536
Speaker 3: we got to take you from mentoring and you need

1038
00:48:01,536 --> 00:48:04,656
Speaker 3: to go down and host the show. And it's not

1039
00:48:04,696 --> 00:48:07,856
Speaker 3: bigger than me, but there's thirty minutes. I need to

1040
00:48:07,856 --> 00:48:09,976
Speaker 3: know like stage direction more than I need to know

1041
00:48:09,976 --> 00:48:14,456
Speaker 3: how to host, like camera, yeah, where not to walk into.

1042
00:48:14,496 --> 00:48:16,216
Speaker 3: There's a lot of celebrity guests and stuff that are

1043
00:48:16,216 --> 00:48:20,616
Speaker 3: coming in. And so we're five minutes out from the

1044
00:48:20,656 --> 00:48:23,136
Speaker 3: show and I remember looking upt the big American Idol

1045
00:48:23,136 --> 00:48:25,336
Speaker 3: sign and I was like, dang, it's legit, Like I'm

1046
00:48:25,336 --> 00:48:28,896
Speaker 3: gonna do this, It's gonna be super cool. I go on,

1047
00:48:29,296 --> 00:48:31,976
Speaker 3: I give myself an A minus. I kind of crushed. Crushed, yeah,

1048
00:48:31,976 --> 00:48:34,696
Speaker 3: because the moment wasn't too big for me, right, So

1049
00:48:35,256 --> 00:48:39,576
Speaker 3: get off stage and feeling pretty good, they give me

1050
00:48:39,616 --> 00:48:41,376
Speaker 3: these big things of flowers. Are like, man, thank you.

1051
00:48:41,416 --> 00:48:43,656
Speaker 3: Filled in thirty minutes whatever. I go to bed. I

1052
00:48:43,696 --> 00:48:45,256
Speaker 3: wake up the next morning, I'm doing my radio show

1053
00:48:45,256 --> 00:48:49,216
Speaker 3: and Ryan sends me a massive box with a pair

1054
00:48:49,256 --> 00:48:51,736
Speaker 3: of and I know shoes with a pair of Jordan's

1055
00:48:51,816 --> 00:48:54,976
Speaker 3: like Jordan One's that were about one thousand dollars and

1056
00:48:55,016 --> 00:48:57,256
Speaker 3: they said, hey, thanks for filling my shoes last night.

1057
00:48:57,496 --> 00:48:58,936
Speaker 3: And I was like, that's super cool. And Ryan I

1058
00:48:58,936 --> 00:49:02,216
Speaker 3: had spent in real time together just briefly, briefly, but briefly. Yeah,

1059
00:49:02,336 --> 00:49:04,096
Speaker 3: So I thought that was super cool because I started

1060
00:49:04,136 --> 00:49:05,976
Speaker 3: to feel a little weird about filling and again, that's

1061
00:49:06,016 --> 00:49:10,096
Speaker 3: his show. That's amazing though. So we finished that season

1062
00:49:10,776 --> 00:49:12,936
Speaker 3: and in passing we would see each other, but it

1063
00:49:12,936 --> 00:49:15,416
Speaker 3: was very quick. He'd come in, I'd be flying out.

1064
00:49:15,696 --> 00:49:17,936
Speaker 3: We do the live show and get out. We finally

1065
00:49:18,016 --> 00:49:20,056
Speaker 3: the next season we go to Hawaii at the beginning

1066
00:49:20,056 --> 00:49:23,416
Speaker 3: of every year to do the Hawaii version at the

1067
00:49:23,616 --> 00:49:27,456
Speaker 3: like Disney Hawaiian Hotel, Disney, you know, owned American Idol

1068
00:49:28,176 --> 00:49:32,456
Speaker 3: and that Hawaiian part. You really can't go anywhere. You're

1069
00:49:32,496 --> 00:49:36,056
Speaker 3: trapped out there for four or five days. And I'm

1070
00:49:36,056 --> 00:49:38,216
Speaker 3: sitting down by the beach and Ryan comes up and

1071
00:49:38,216 --> 00:49:39,456
Speaker 3: he's like, hey, man, I know we haven't really got

1072
00:49:39,456 --> 00:49:41,136
Speaker 3: a lot of time to talk. He was like, but

1073
00:49:42,416 --> 00:49:44,096
Speaker 3: I want to make sure that because I know you're

1074
00:49:44,096 --> 00:49:45,856
Speaker 3: starting to make really good money now. I want to

1075
00:49:45,856 --> 00:49:47,576
Speaker 3: make sure you're taking care of financially, like I want

1076
00:49:47,616 --> 00:49:50,496
Speaker 3: to get you with the right money. People like that

1077
00:49:50,216 --> 00:49:54,176
Speaker 3: was that was his way of going, Hey, I want

1078
00:49:54,176 --> 00:49:56,096
Speaker 3: to look out for you, and you're going to have

1079
00:49:56,096 --> 00:49:58,296
Speaker 3: a lot of weird things, and I know that this

1080
00:49:58,576 --> 00:50:01,056
Speaker 3: money is kind of new, but I want to make

1081
00:50:01,056 --> 00:50:04,336
Speaker 3: sure you know what you're doing with money. And I

1082
00:50:04,376 --> 00:50:07,496
Speaker 3: thought that was the cool list thing to do, so cool,

1083
00:50:07,696 --> 00:50:10,896
Speaker 3: like the shoes, that's fun and super neat, But for

1084
00:50:10,936 --> 00:50:13,536
Speaker 3: somebody to come up and go, hey, let me make

1085
00:50:13,536 --> 00:50:16,416
Speaker 3: sure you're not getting taken advantage of, right, Like, I

1086
00:50:16,416 --> 00:50:19,096
Speaker 3: thought that was super legit, especially in that industry.

1087
00:50:19,176 --> 00:50:19,696
Speaker 5: Right, dude.

1088
00:50:19,696 --> 00:50:21,536
Speaker 3: It is so cut I mean it's like yours. It's

1089
00:50:21,576 --> 00:50:24,496
Speaker 3: so cutthroats, and everybody is out to get everybody.

1090
00:50:24,496 --> 00:50:25,496
Speaker 5: Everybody's got their hand.

1091
00:50:25,376 --> 00:50:27,376
Speaker 3: Out, and for him to come and do that and go,

1092
00:50:27,816 --> 00:50:29,256
Speaker 3: I want to make sure you're taken care of. I

1093
00:50:29,256 --> 00:50:30,376
Speaker 3: thought that was super cool.

1094
00:50:30,536 --> 00:50:34,856
Speaker 7: That is a goat moat, a guy that's super secure,

1095
00:50:35,176 --> 00:50:37,256
Speaker 7: knows he's the best and just wants to make sure

1096
00:50:37,296 --> 00:50:42,616
Speaker 7: that whomever else it's after him doesn't get taken advantage

1097
00:50:42,656 --> 00:50:43,816
Speaker 7: of and possibly ways.

1098
00:50:43,656 --> 00:50:45,736
Speaker 5: That he was early on right, pass it forward, right?

1099
00:50:45,816 --> 00:50:47,335
Speaker 3: So that was that's my goat story.

1100
00:50:47,416 --> 00:50:49,815
Speaker 5: That's a pretty cool story right there. And you still

1101
00:50:49,816 --> 00:50:50,056
Speaker 5: have the.

1102
00:50:50,016 --> 00:50:50,896
Speaker 3: Jordans I do.

1103
00:50:50,976 --> 00:51:05,576
Speaker 8: Yeah, the best one.

1104
00:51:09,136 --> 00:51:12,696
Speaker 3: Let's do best sports movies of all time? Best sports

1105
00:51:12,736 --> 00:51:13,976
Speaker 3: movies of all time.

1106
00:51:14,096 --> 00:51:14,976
Speaker 5: I love this category.

1107
00:51:15,216 --> 00:51:16,416
Speaker 3: Five you want to go, you can go first. If

1108
00:51:16,416 --> 00:51:17,856
Speaker 3: you want to go five to one? Do you have

1109
00:51:17,896 --> 00:51:18,976
Speaker 3: them already in your head?

1110
00:51:19,616 --> 00:51:21,616
Speaker 6: I do, but I don't know if I can go

1111
00:51:21,656 --> 00:51:24,856
Speaker 6: five to one versus just give you my five top

1112
00:51:25,656 --> 00:51:27,896
Speaker 6: I mean number one. I'm gonna starry at one, okay,

1113
00:51:27,896 --> 00:51:31,496
Speaker 6: go the natural baseball I was a big baseball guy

1114
00:51:31,536 --> 00:51:34,416
Speaker 6: growing up and all that stuff, and the natural Robert

1115
00:51:34,456 --> 00:51:37,656
Speaker 6: Redfern that, you know, hitting it into the lights and

1116
00:51:37,696 --> 00:51:39,856
Speaker 6: the explosion at the end, that's for sure.

1117
00:51:39,976 --> 00:51:42,576
Speaker 3: One. I've never seen The Natural, Are you serious?

1118
00:51:43,376 --> 00:51:45,456
Speaker 5: I mean, Captain Caucasian has been out on the ones

1119
00:51:45,456 --> 00:51:46,456
Speaker 5: and twos, you know what I mean.

1120
00:51:46,536 --> 00:51:48,936
Speaker 3: So I've never seen The Natural. And I'm a massive

1121
00:51:48,976 --> 00:51:50,216
Speaker 3: baseball fan, but I've never seen The Net.

1122
00:51:50,336 --> 00:51:52,376
Speaker 6: That is one of the greatest baseball movie. It is

1123
00:51:52,496 --> 00:51:54,456
Speaker 6: to me, the greatest baseball movie of all time. Okay,

1124
00:51:54,496 --> 00:51:58,096
Speaker 6: so The Natural Bullderm is number two because I think

1125
00:51:58,856 --> 00:52:02,416
Speaker 6: it really is genuinely depicts.

1126
00:52:02,256 --> 00:52:04,176
Speaker 5: Like minor league baseball. Both my brothers played it.

1127
00:52:04,456 --> 00:52:06,456
Speaker 6: But growing up watch that show and then going and

1128
00:52:06,456 --> 00:52:09,736
Speaker 6: seeing them and these different cities. It's an awesome movie.

1129
00:52:09,776 --> 00:52:13,896
Speaker 6: I love love that movie. Number three, I'm gonna go

1130
00:52:13,936 --> 00:52:16,576
Speaker 6: with Remember the Titans. I mean, I really like Remember

1131
00:52:16,576 --> 00:52:20,496
Speaker 6: the Titans. I thought it was an outstanding movie, inspirational

1132
00:52:20,536 --> 00:52:25,496
Speaker 6: as well. Number four, I'm gonna go with The Miracle.

1133
00:52:27,576 --> 00:52:28,656
Speaker 6: The Miracles outstanding.

1134
00:52:28,696 --> 00:52:32,376
Speaker 3: The movie's good. I've just heard real life what really happened?

1135
00:52:32,456 --> 00:52:33,776
Speaker 3: I know, well, I don't want to hear that.

1136
00:52:33,856 --> 00:52:36,136
Speaker 6: I watched the movie and I felt good about it

1137
00:52:36,176 --> 00:52:39,376
Speaker 6: when I left. Good point and it was really well done.

1138
00:52:39,456 --> 00:52:43,376
Speaker 6: And obviously the Americans versus the Russians, the Cold War,

1139
00:52:43,416 --> 00:52:45,936
Speaker 6: everything else going on. And number five, I gotta go

1140
00:52:45,936 --> 00:52:48,616
Speaker 6: with Hoosiers. Hoosiers is like one of the all time

1141
00:52:48,696 --> 00:52:50,536
Speaker 6: great just sports movies.

1142
00:52:50,536 --> 00:52:53,416
Speaker 3: In general, I liked Miracle a lot. Did you see

1143
00:52:53,416 --> 00:52:56,256
Speaker 3: half the movies that I just said? Yeah, I've seen Miracle.

1144
00:52:56,616 --> 00:52:59,376
Speaker 3: The thing is, they really focused on that Russia game

1145
00:52:59,376 --> 00:53:01,736
Speaker 3: when we still had Sweden to play after, Like that

1146
00:53:02,016 --> 00:53:07,176
Speaker 3: was right, right? And then secondly, I've been whispered to

1147
00:53:07,936 --> 00:53:11,056
Speaker 3: that there was some gambling involved in that Russian.

1148
00:53:11,376 --> 00:53:15,896
Speaker 5: Oh oh, your KGB friends came over and told you.

1149
00:53:16,096 --> 00:53:20,016
Speaker 3: I have no friends, but you know, I've had some

1150
00:53:20,056 --> 00:53:22,856
Speaker 3: people whisper to me that that's probably why Russia did

1151
00:53:22,936 --> 00:53:26,856
Speaker 3: not play as well. Really, yeah, like people that I trust.

1152
00:53:27,816 --> 00:53:29,776
Speaker 6: I don't mean to pivot from this conversation, but did

1153
00:53:29,776 --> 00:53:32,776
Speaker 6: you see any of the highlights from the USA Canada game?

1154
00:53:32,936 --> 00:53:37,496
Speaker 3: It was awesome. The first ten seconds I was like, dude,

1155
00:53:37,776 --> 00:53:39,736
Speaker 3: this is amazing. I don't even watch hockey. This was

1156
00:53:39,736 --> 00:53:41,936
Speaker 3: why I watch hockey. Well, I don't even watch hockey,

1157
00:53:41,936 --> 00:53:43,856
Speaker 3: and I watched it because it gave me something to

1158
00:53:43,936 --> 00:53:45,936
Speaker 3: root for, like a home.

1159
00:53:46,216 --> 00:53:46,376
Speaker 2: Right.

1160
00:53:46,416 --> 00:53:49,815
Speaker 3: It was Pride, which is different than the All Star

1161
00:53:49,896 --> 00:53:51,976
Speaker 3: Game where it's like Chuck versus Shack. What do I

1162
00:53:52,016 --> 00:53:53,696
Speaker 3: give a crap? Yeah, I could care less.

1163
00:53:53,776 --> 00:53:56,376
Speaker 6: Yeah right, I just want to see these incredible athletes

1164
00:53:56,416 --> 00:53:58,176
Speaker 6: go out and put on a performance, which they did.

1165
00:53:58,536 --> 00:54:02,496
Speaker 3: But that right off the get go the national anthem,

1166
00:54:02,936 --> 00:54:05,176
Speaker 3: the national anthem. I love it because it was done

1167
00:54:05,176 --> 00:54:08,736
Speaker 3: in a sports way, right, meaning if I were if

1168
00:54:08,816 --> 00:54:10,896
Speaker 3: let's say Arkansas and USC were playing and you played

1169
00:54:10,896 --> 00:54:13,496
Speaker 3: the USC song before the boo. It was done as

1170
00:54:13,656 --> 00:54:15,815
Speaker 3: that I felt like more than anything else for sure,

1171
00:54:15,856 --> 00:54:19,216
Speaker 3: like two teams playing. So yeah, I loved it. Yeah,

1172
00:54:19,216 --> 00:54:20,936
Speaker 3: And I don't even I don't even know, I have

1173
00:54:21,056 --> 00:54:23,536
Speaker 3: no hockey knowledge. I still thought it was super cool.

1174
00:54:23,896 --> 00:54:26,536
Speaker 6: And the two guys that got off got right into

1175
00:54:26,616 --> 00:54:29,136
Speaker 6: it right off the jump were two brothers.

1176
00:54:29,176 --> 00:54:29,456
Speaker 3: Brothers.

1177
00:54:29,496 --> 00:54:32,536
Speaker 6: Yeah, and their dad played and they had some clip

1178
00:54:32,576 --> 00:54:34,855
Speaker 6: from him way back in the day that it set

1179
00:54:34,856 --> 00:54:37,176
Speaker 6: off the same thing when he played like a full

1180
00:54:37,176 --> 00:54:39,376
Speaker 6: fist fight. I was like, this is legendary right now.

1181
00:54:39,416 --> 00:54:40,776
Speaker 6: I don't mean to interrupt, but I did have to

1182
00:54:40,776 --> 00:54:41,216
Speaker 6: bring that up.

1183
00:54:41,256 --> 00:54:44,016
Speaker 3: You interrupted nothing Number five for me. See, our lists

1184
00:54:44,016 --> 00:54:45,736
Speaker 3: are a bit different because I have Talladega Nights at

1185
00:54:45,776 --> 00:54:48,216
Speaker 3: number five. I was gonna say, where are we going?

1186
00:54:48,296 --> 00:54:50,856
Speaker 3: This are we going? Because there are comedies out there.

1187
00:54:50,896 --> 00:54:53,256
Speaker 3: I love Talladega Knights, and whenever I came up with

1188
00:54:53,296 --> 00:54:56,376
Speaker 3: my list, there were two I couldn't keep out and

1189
00:54:56,456 --> 00:54:59,136
Speaker 3: they were comedies. But I have Talladega Knights at five.

1190
00:54:59,456 --> 00:55:02,016
Speaker 3: Love it. I have Remembered the Titans at four. H

1191
00:55:02,536 --> 00:55:07,176
Speaker 3: I have water Boy at three. Water Boy, I mean,

1192
00:55:07,376 --> 00:55:09,296
Speaker 3: is that a Bobby bo Awesome?

1193
00:55:09,296 --> 00:55:10,296
Speaker 5: I mean it's so good.

1194
00:55:10,376 --> 00:55:13,696
Speaker 3: I love water Boy. I have Rocky for it too. Oh,

1195
00:55:13,896 --> 00:55:18,216
Speaker 3: Rocky four. Rocky should have been probably up there, and

1196
00:55:18,296 --> 00:55:21,456
Speaker 3: I enjoyed most of the Rockies, but Rocky four to

1197
00:55:21,536 --> 00:55:24,376
Speaker 3: me growing up as a kid born in the eighties,

1198
00:55:25,296 --> 00:55:28,256
Speaker 3: and he was a Russian and it was like he

1199
00:55:28,336 --> 00:55:31,576
Speaker 3: was the guy with all the fancy drugs and equipment.

1200
00:55:31,656 --> 00:55:35,336
Speaker 3: Rockies just out there. Beaten chickens, I mean I related

1201
00:55:35,376 --> 00:55:36,696
Speaker 3: to that, Yeah, beaten chickens.

1202
00:55:36,696 --> 00:55:38,936
Speaker 5: And then at the same time, I mean, could anybody

1203
00:55:38,976 --> 00:55:40,136
Speaker 5: take the punishment.

1204
00:55:39,776 --> 00:55:44,016
Speaker 6: That Rocky did realistically? I mean he got pummeled for

1205
00:55:44,096 --> 00:55:45,136
Speaker 6: how many rounds.

1206
00:55:44,816 --> 00:55:47,936
Speaker 3: And his buddy got killed at the beginning of it.

1207
00:55:47,976 --> 00:55:52,096
Speaker 3: Spoiler alert, spoiler everybody Apollo, Creed goes Down Earlybody Goes

1208
00:55:52,136 --> 00:55:54,536
Speaker 3: Down Dies. That was pretty disappointed. It's pretty diappointing. And

1209
00:55:54,536 --> 00:55:55,736
Speaker 3: the number one was The Sandlot.

1210
00:55:56,256 --> 00:55:59,176
Speaker 6: Sandlot, great movie. I watched that with the boys just

1211
00:55:59,216 --> 00:55:59,976
Speaker 6: a little while ago.

1212
00:56:00,136 --> 00:56:03,096
Speaker 3: They still they love it. It holds up, it holds up,

1213
00:56:03,296 --> 00:56:03,896
Speaker 3: holds true.

1214
00:56:04,216 --> 00:56:07,656
Speaker 6: I mean, just that little group of boys, and then

1215
00:56:07,656 --> 00:56:10,216
Speaker 6: and then the different dynamics that they had, I mean,

1216
00:56:10,256 --> 00:56:13,176
Speaker 6: what is it Rodriguez was their stud Was that their

1217
00:56:13,176 --> 00:56:13,855
Speaker 6: stud hitter?

1218
00:56:14,096 --> 00:56:17,216
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Benny the jet, Benny.

1219
00:56:16,976 --> 00:56:19,536
Speaker 6: The Jet, Yeah yeah, Benny the Jet. And then also

1220
00:56:20,016 --> 00:56:22,296
Speaker 6: they had to go get the ball from the beast.

1221
00:56:22,856 --> 00:56:25,336
Speaker 6: I mean that whole the whole thing was amazing.

1222
00:56:25,576 --> 00:56:25,976
Speaker 3: I love it.

1223
00:56:26,016 --> 00:56:27,976
Speaker 6: So you kind of went, you went a little bit

1224
00:56:27,976 --> 00:56:31,336
Speaker 6: of comedy, which I get. And then the Sandlot itself

1225
00:56:31,496 --> 00:56:35,376
Speaker 6: is an outstanding movie, especially for us growing up the youth.

1226
00:56:35,416 --> 00:56:37,736
Speaker 6: From a youth standpoint, I just remember that movie being

1227
00:56:38,296 --> 00:56:38,976
Speaker 6: all time great.

1228
00:56:39,056 --> 00:56:41,416
Speaker 3: Almost pick Rookie of the Year. The Rookie of the Year,

1229
00:56:41,456 --> 00:56:44,296
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Henry Royan Gardner the Cubs. Yes, that was

1230
00:56:44,336 --> 00:56:47,376
Speaker 3: why I'm massive Cubs fan. So I almost picked Rookie

1231
00:56:47,376 --> 00:56:49,335
Speaker 3: of the Year, But then I haven't really watched any

1232
00:56:49,336 --> 00:56:52,696
Speaker 3: of these back. Maybe Rocky four I've seen more than once. Nah,

1233
00:56:52,696 --> 00:56:55,696
Speaker 3: probably water Boy. But I don't like to watch movies normally.

1234
00:56:56,136 --> 00:56:58,896
Speaker 3: I watched them once, identify that I love them, and

1235
00:56:58,896 --> 00:56:59,896
Speaker 3: then never watch them again.

1236
00:56:59,976 --> 00:57:01,696
Speaker 6: You know, I'm getting to the age now that I'm

1237
00:57:01,696 --> 00:57:04,456
Speaker 6: starting to recycle some of these movies because you've watched

1238
00:57:04,496 --> 00:57:06,576
Speaker 6: them a long time ago, but now the kids are

1239
00:57:06,616 --> 00:57:08,536
Speaker 6: getting old enough to where you can watch them with

1240
00:57:08,616 --> 00:57:10,656
Speaker 6: your kids and it's like, oh, it's a little bit

1241
00:57:10,696 --> 00:57:12,896
Speaker 6: nostalgic for you, and you sit there like we we

1242
00:57:12,936 --> 00:57:14,576
Speaker 6: watched Little Giants, right.

1243
00:57:14,576 --> 00:57:18,216
Speaker 3: Oh, that was awesome. Annexation to Puerto ricoation. Oh no,

1244
00:57:19,576 --> 00:57:21,056
Speaker 3: the toilet paper running through all.

1245
00:57:21,096 --> 00:57:23,096
Speaker 5: Gotta envision him catching toilet paper.

1246
00:57:22,896 --> 00:57:24,616
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like that, that's a good one.

1247
00:57:24,696 --> 00:57:25,456
Speaker 3: That was a great movie.

1248
00:57:25,456 --> 00:57:28,256
Speaker 5: But watching those back, because I haven't watched those since

1249
00:57:28,296 --> 00:57:30,176
Speaker 5: I was a kid, But then to come back, it

1250
00:57:30,256 --> 00:57:33,576
Speaker 5: still holds like it's weight today and you're sitting there

1251
00:57:33,616 --> 00:57:35,456
Speaker 5: watching with your kids, and your kids are fascinatedbody and

1252
00:57:35,456 --> 00:57:39,056
Speaker 5: they're like and obviously from a film standpoint, it's much

1253
00:57:39,136 --> 00:57:40,536
Speaker 5: different watching it.

1254
00:57:40,536 --> 00:57:42,976
Speaker 6: It looks like it's from the nineteen nineties or the

1255
00:57:43,136 --> 00:57:46,296
Speaker 6: early two thousands and now. But these kids they sit

1256
00:57:46,336 --> 00:57:48,136
Speaker 6: there and they're mesmerized by it and they're like, this

1257
00:57:48,176 --> 00:57:48,816
Speaker 6: is great movie.

1258
00:57:48,816 --> 00:57:51,776
Speaker 3: You ever Al Bundy was a bad coach, yes, and

1259
00:57:51,856 --> 00:57:53,896
Speaker 3: he played a good one. Little Shop of Horrors was

1260
00:57:53,896 --> 00:57:58,936
Speaker 3: a good coach. What was his name? Oh God, feed

1261
00:57:59,016 --> 00:58:03,176
Speaker 3: me Seymour. It was the same guy. He's Canadian.

1262
00:58:04,216 --> 00:58:06,656
Speaker 5: The fact that you knew he was, well, he.

1263
00:58:06,656 --> 00:58:08,936
Speaker 3: Did it so like his wife died and he disappeared

1264
00:58:08,976 --> 00:58:11,496
Speaker 3: just to raise his kids for like fifteen years. Rick

1265
00:58:11,616 --> 00:58:13,136
Speaker 3: moranis honey, I shrunk the kids.

1266
00:58:13,216 --> 00:58:14,816
Speaker 5: Yes, honey, that was gat movie.

1267
00:58:14,896 --> 00:58:19,656
Speaker 3: Same guy, Yeah, same guy. Okay, So it's interesting what

1268
00:58:19,696 --> 00:58:23,856
Speaker 3: you said earlier. I was thinking about this, how you

1269
00:58:23,856 --> 00:58:26,976
Speaker 3: don't have any of your Cowboys stuff. That's America's team.

1270
00:58:27,696 --> 00:58:29,856
Speaker 3: So when I went on to find this jersey, I

1271
00:58:29,856 --> 00:58:31,176
Speaker 3: was just gonna give you this. I got a game

1272
00:58:31,176 --> 00:58:35,496
Speaker 3: issue jersey. They gave you really, yeah, cap in the bag.

1273
00:58:35,976 --> 00:58:41,296
Speaker 3: This is a game issue jersey. Come on, what are

1274
00:58:41,336 --> 00:58:44,496
Speaker 3: the chances that I swear? That's the weirdest thing because

1275
00:58:44,496 --> 00:58:46,656
Speaker 3: when you said that, I literally bought that to give

1276
00:58:46,736 --> 00:58:48,576
Speaker 3: to you because I didn't know what you had from

1277
00:58:48,576 --> 00:58:50,936
Speaker 3: the Cowboys, and I saw it with like a dealer

1278
00:58:50,976 --> 00:58:53,096
Speaker 3: had it open, like pull it out. This was in

1279
00:58:53,136 --> 00:58:57,136
Speaker 3: your locker. You didn't wear it, but they issued multiple jerseys.

1280
00:58:57,216 --> 00:58:59,856
Speaker 3: I swear to god the weird I know. When you

1281
00:58:59,856 --> 00:59:05,536
Speaker 3: said that, I was like, what in the world? So

1282
00:59:05,576 --> 00:59:07,376
Speaker 3: that is? That is sick?

1283
00:59:07,576 --> 00:59:07,776
Speaker 2: Bro.

1284
00:59:08,896 --> 00:59:10,176
Speaker 3: I really appreciate that.

1285
00:59:10,416 --> 00:59:11,296
Speaker 5: I mean, are you kidding me?

1286
00:59:11,296 --> 00:59:14,096
Speaker 3: That's pretty cool? Huh. I really do appreciate it. This

1287
00:59:14,176 --> 00:59:16,296
Speaker 3: is the one. It's the when he said that, that's

1288
00:59:16,336 --> 00:59:18,456
Speaker 3: the weirdest thing because I literally bought it to give

1289
00:59:18,536 --> 00:59:20,536
Speaker 3: to you because I was a real jersey. And when

1290
00:59:20,536 --> 00:59:22,256
Speaker 3: you said that, I was like, dude, this is bizarre.

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Speaker 3: That's wild. It is bizarre.

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Speaker 5: And I was when you just said that, I was like,

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Speaker 5: no way. And then you just brought this out.

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Speaker 3: Dude, that is amazing. You gotta put it on the

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Speaker 3: match your headphones. Your wife was off first. The water

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Speaker 3: is gonna get caught in the jersey, Like I got

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Speaker 3: my helmet on it. That didn't that's not gonna work.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, d I forgot how these things were. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: there you go. I mean, what a thought Look at

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Speaker 3: this guy, what a thoughtful gift. So explain to me

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Speaker 3: what happened. So they put jerseys in your locker and

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Speaker 3: you don't use some of them.

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Speaker 5: Well, mine, we're probably clean most of the time.

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know if we don't use them or what,

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Speaker 6: but I know that I I started I think six

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Speaker 6: games that year, so I mean it got messed.

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Speaker 3: Up a little bit. But this looks that's clean.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. They must have saved this just in case I

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Speaker 5: ripped my jersey or something.

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Speaker 3: That is what it is. This is sick. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we got rocking the sixteen Cowboys. Now you have it,

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Speaker 3: Now you have it.

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Speaker 6: We got double sixteen today. Feeling pretty good about this.

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Speaker 6: Come on, check this out.

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Speaker 3: We don't look good. He looked great. Boys. Oh tell me, Bobby,

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Speaker 3: who would you rather start for you today? Matt Castle

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Speaker 3: Patriots and Matt Castle Cowboys Patriots definitely go with the

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Speaker 3: Thanks to Bruce Felman for coming on. Thanks to kick

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Speaker 3: Off Kevin, Thanks to read Yarberry. We appreciate you guys listening.

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Speaker 3: Please subscribe and rate us, review us, but only if

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Speaker 3: it's good. We could. Really we're a new startup podcast.

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Speaker 3: We would love if you guys rated us and reviewed

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Speaker 3: us because it would help us. It'd move us up

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Speaker 3: the algorithm We'll be honest. At this point, we're begging

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Speaker 3: for anything. So thank you guys for listening, and share

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Speaker 3: us on your Instagram story too, if you don't mind,

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Speaker 3: that would be super cool as well. You got to

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Speaker 3: Matt Castle. I'm Matt Castle. Hey, the sixteen brothers. Was

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Speaker 3: there a reason about it? We're brothers, we're happy, and

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Speaker 3: we're why sixteenth.

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Speaker 6: By the way, Honestly, yeah, walked into the locker room

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Speaker 6: my rookie year and they said you're number sixteen.

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Speaker 3: I said, right, great, love it al rocket, all right,

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Speaker 3: we're in. Wasn't too much thought process behind it from

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Speaker 3: a pair of sixteens. We'll see you guys next week.

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Speaker 3: I'm lots to say bye.

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Speaker 9: Everybody lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle

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Speaker 9: is a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcasts.

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