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Speaker 1: Cowboys from Oxnard, California. Practices each of the next three
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Speaker 1: and we are talking Cowboys. Kyle you Almen's Mickey spag
Speaker 1: Nola raising his hands because he got his Sunrise bike
Speaker 1: ride in today. And then Rob Phillips as well as well.
Speaker 1: It's a it's the start of the Sprint. I guess
Speaker 1: if this week in the marathon really of the NFL season.
Speaker 1: We're just underway. But Rob, I mean this is a
Speaker 1: crucial week for a lot of these young guys on
Speaker 1: the roster. What are you looking for as we head
Speaker 1: into practice number four today? About to get to some
Speaker 1: good stuff. We got one more practice I believe without
Speaker 1: pads today and then yeah, Wednesday is everything. All the
Speaker 1: questions we get about guys, I think you have to
Speaker 1: you have to couch it with where they are right
Speaker 1: now in practice starting Wednesday, and then leading up to
Speaker 1: that first preseason game. I think the evaluations hold a
Speaker 1: little more water when you're seeing guys not tackle each other, mick,
Speaker 1: but just a little more physicality and more more like
Speaker 1: real football when they're in full pass. What's those pads on? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: let's see what happens, and yeah, it'll be interesting. You know.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I like to point out is,
Speaker 1: you know, when you playing underwear football, wide receivers are
Speaker 1: real bold going over the right. Now, let's see if
Speaker 1: they have any anxiety that knowing that when they catch
Speaker 1: the ball or try to catch the ball, there's somebody
Speaker 1: who's going to knock the snot out of them, especially
Speaker 1: going over the middle. And these guys have been running
Speaker 1: over the middle care free, so well, they're not going
Speaker 1: to get the snot knocked out. Well, but they'll get hit.
Speaker 1: They'll get out there up guys that have numbers like
Speaker 1: fourteen and fifteen and sixteen and seventeen seventeen. Yeah, he'll
Speaker 1: start getting hit. You know, they're not hitting thirteen and
Speaker 1: eighty eight and nineteen, but these other numbers. That's fair game. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing today I want to see,
Speaker 1: is you know, after you have a day off, how
Speaker 1: do you come back lethargic? Are you're ready to go?
Speaker 1: Because we've seen that here before where you get a
Speaker 1: day off or two and it's almost like being on vacation,
Speaker 1: right and you come back to work and you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta get back in the routine. Well, there's no
Speaker 1: walk through to get back in the routine because they
Speaker 1: have the main practice in the morning, so to be
Speaker 1: interesting to see how at ten of they are or
Speaker 1: if the coaches have to work hard to get their attention. Well,
Speaker 1: and you've also mentally just look three straight practices. That
Speaker 1: has not happened this camp, and I'm not sure it's happened. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess it happened in OTAs. But now with pads
Speaker 1: coming on, you gotta get your mind right because this
Speaker 1: is kind of the start of a mental grind here
Speaker 1: with three straight days and in pads and that games
Speaker 1: around the corner, you know, and it's it's probably gonna
Speaker 1: be most young guys playing, but it's that's an opportunity
Speaker 1: for guys to stand out on this ninety man roster. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're now in the single digits until it's single digit days,
Speaker 1: I should say, until the Cowboys do travel to Canton.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great point that Mike brought up
Speaker 1: about the lethargic nous of what could happen today. This
Speaker 1: may not be the best practice we've seen so far
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys. If they're not if they're not careful,
Speaker 1: you gotta go back out there. You gotta have that
Speaker 1: same kind of energy intensity at dan Quinn of us
Speaker 1: has been doing that on the defensive end. But is
Speaker 1: this a good thing for the Cowboys? That practice is
Speaker 1: five of the next six days, kind of get not
Speaker 1: only into a routine, but just out of the pitter
Speaker 1: patter start and stop that we saw from the first
Speaker 1: really week of camp. Yeah, no, absolutely, And you know
Speaker 1: you'll get your regeneration day on Friday. It's mandatory, right,
Speaker 1: it's in the CBA. How many days in a row
Speaker 1: you can practice, But yeah, you know, get it, get
Speaker 1: into a routine, get into the grind and and and
Speaker 1: you know see, if guys see what happens a lot
Speaker 1: of times in practices, you'll see Rob mentioned seventeen. Malik Turner, right,
Speaker 1: the wide receiver had a good day the other day right. Okay,
Speaker 1: a good camp. Now, can you do it two days
Speaker 1: in a row? You know, you can't just flash and
Speaker 1: then the next day you fall back to, oh, who's
Speaker 1: that guy? Right? So now you got to put these
Speaker 1: practices consecutively together if you're gonna make an impression on
Speaker 1: this on the coaching staff. And there's a lot of
Speaker 1: young guys that you know, we we see somebody flash
Speaker 1: and then the next day is well where that guy go? Right? Um?
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, this will be a really telltale stretch here.
Speaker 1: I think these next three days. The other thing, too,
Speaker 1: is when Mick mentioned the number of young players levin
Speaker 1: draft picks, a lot of undrafted rookies, guys that are
Speaker 1: in their first NFL training camp. When the pads do
Speaker 1: come on, Okay, we want your intensity, but we also
Speaker 1: want to protect each other. Keep everybody up, nobody on
Speaker 1: the ground. Um, there's a reason Dak Prescott was held
Speaker 1: out of team drills in the offseason because they wanted
Speaker 1: to protect him. So let's be let's be intense, let's
Speaker 1: get our work done, but let's protect each other too.
Speaker 1: That's that's when Jason Garrett was here. That was a
Speaker 1: message to the young guys when the pads started was
Speaker 1: just you know, let's let's be get we're teammates there,
Speaker 1: let's be careful. Stop and stop me if I told
Speaker 1: you guys this before. But you know, thirty some years
Speaker 1: ago when they had training camp practice in Thousand Oaks,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of those years early in
Speaker 1: the kind of the late seventies, early eighties, they would
Speaker 1: bring the rookies in two weeks ahead of time and
Speaker 1: kind of get their exuberance out of them. That way,
Speaker 1: when the veterans come in, you're not sitting there going, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay that guy out right, I gotta make
Speaker 1: an impression. And they would they kind to tire them
Speaker 1: out a little bit early, and they wouldn't come They
Speaker 1: would come in here with all their draft choices, and
Speaker 1: you know, back in the day they were drafting sixteen rounds,
Speaker 1: and they would bring in all these free agents and
Speaker 1: they'd bring them in early because there was really no offseason,
Speaker 1: so that was the start of the season and they'd
Speaker 1: they'd work them out and start weeding guys out. You know,
Speaker 1: I could remember Cliff Harris talking about, you know, when
Speaker 1: he got signed as a rookie free agent and they
Speaker 1: told him, yeah, he was the number one guy, and
Speaker 1: you know, and he's gonna be one of their top dbs.
Speaker 1: And then he gets the training camp and there's twenty
Speaker 1: dbs there, you know, and it's like, wait, I thought
Speaker 1: I was the guy, you know. And they did the
Speaker 1: same thing. A wide receiver, Drew Prison will tell you
Speaker 1: the same thing, getting signed as a rookie free agent
Speaker 1: and you show up and oh, there's twenty other rookie
Speaker 1: wide receivers here. So they used to try to do that.
Speaker 1: And I remember one year, Um, they had signed a
Speaker 1: somewhat of a veteran running back. So it had been
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety EMT's Emmett's a rookie year and Stan Smegala
Speaker 1: wipes out that veteran running back that they brought in
Speaker 1: and tore as acl and it was a cheap hit
Speaker 1: on the sideline. But it was like the first day
Speaker 1: pads were on, and it's like, hell, you got to
Speaker 1: get that out of these young guys because they're all
Speaker 1: trying to do something to gain some attention. So um yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's good. Now they've had this lead up and
Speaker 1: when the pads come on tomorrow, they'll at least kind
Speaker 1: of been uh, you know, acclimated to for a couple
Speaker 1: of days. Yeah, you throw, and that'll be something watch,
Speaker 1: I think throughout the early parts of today's practice and
Speaker 1: then of course tomorrow whenever the pads do come on.
Speaker 1: But we've mentioned the wide receivers and kind of the
Speaker 1: extra confidence that some of these young whiteouts have had
Speaker 1: over the middle of the field and having some success.
Speaker 1: We saw Dalton Schultz have a really nice day, Malie Turner,
Speaker 1: Oh serious, Mitchell. A lot of these young wide receivers
Speaker 1: fighting for a roster spot, trying to challenge guys like
Speaker 1: Noah Brown Cedric Wilson below the top three wide receivers.
Speaker 1: But I want to flip it to the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the football. The safety position has been on and
Speaker 1: off right now. They haven't had the pads on, like
Speaker 1: we've said, so they're at a disadvantage already. However, the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: after a couple practices, said, hey, let's bring in another
Speaker 1: veteran that we've already looked at, already decided against, and
Speaker 1: Malik Hooker, and let's at least try him out and
Speaker 1: see what's happening now. Jerry talked about it the other
Speaker 1: day rob One. What did Jerry say about the current
Speaker 1: situation of bringing in MALIEK. Cooker, a former first round pick,
Speaker 1: a safety, to maybe challenge for the starting job at safety,
Speaker 1: and then is safety that big of a concern right now?
Speaker 1: His comments on Malie Cooker reef. I mean, he's not
Speaker 1: signed yet, so he said, you know, if he is signed,
Speaker 1: to your point, he can bring some experience to the group.
Speaker 1: He's got their required COVID nineteen protocols for coming in
Speaker 1: and working out and possibly getting signed, So I think
Speaker 1: they're almost through those. So in the next day or
Speaker 1: two we might hear him being signed, and it sounds
Speaker 1: like they're very interested in doing that because of his experience.
Speaker 1: You know, he's They brought him in in March and
Speaker 1: the same time as Damantez, and they signed Casey because
Speaker 1: I think probably they felt better about his medical situation
Speaker 1: in addition to the fact that he's been a Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn guy in the past. But obviously they like what
Speaker 1: he did in Indianapolis. Hooker did in a former fifteenth
Speaker 1: overall draft pick coming out of college. So I think
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that stands out is what does Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy always talk about Dan quinto taking the football away.
Speaker 1: That's the one part of the defensive identity Mick last
Speaker 1: year that they kind of got going was forcing turnovers.
Speaker 1: Lee Cooker, when he's healthy, has done that. And I
Speaker 1: think they're I don't think they're panicking about the safety position,
Speaker 1: but they're looking for competition and and really in that
Speaker 1: aspect as well. And I think he can bring that
Speaker 1: if he's healthy, and if he can get back to
Speaker 1: where he was a couple of years ago. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think that. I think his five day protocol is up. Uh.
Speaker 1: So I think they can work him out today because
Speaker 1: they haven't worked him out yet, um, you know. And
Speaker 1: when they had him in the spring, my understanding was
Speaker 1: he wasn't ready. You know, he tore his achilles last year.
Speaker 1: Uh and he wasn't ready to go. So they're gonna
Speaker 1: see physically where he's at um, you know. And let's
Speaker 1: face it, you know, he ain't been sitting there for
Speaker 1: three months and saying well, I'm waiting for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to bring me back and work out. No one else
Speaker 1: has touched him, right, Um, So I think they want
Speaker 1: to see where he's at um and then physically, and
Speaker 1: I don't think they're panicking at safety. They're just saying, hey,
Speaker 1: this guy was pretty good when he was healthy in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: But let's remember he missed an entire season I think
Speaker 1: it was twenty eighteen, would have torn acl and then
Speaker 1: he missed last year. He's tores uh killies September twentieth.
Speaker 1: M miss him time in twenty nineteen as well. Right,
Speaker 1: and so you know you're right at Farmer first round
Speaker 1: pick um. Yeah, he's got seven interceptions in his career,
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna go crazy, ooh, this guy's in
Speaker 1: ballhawk whatever. But he's a He's a classic free safety
Speaker 1: that can get them. And I think what they're looking
Speaker 1: for is, Okay, let's see if this guy's better than
Speaker 1: the other guys. It's not like, oh, these guys are terrible,
Speaker 1: we just need to bring somebody in. So we're at
Speaker 1: a consensus here that this is not a panic set. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a depth signing of anything. Because I mean
Speaker 1: I even asked the question. I think it was Mickey
Speaker 1: that I was asking you to a practice the other day.
Speaker 1: As outside of Casey and jayren Kurr is the next
Speaker 1: guy up. Do you feel comfortable with that being your
Speaker 1: free safety combo or your safety combo in general, I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily feel that way. I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: really thin spot right now at the safety position, and
Speaker 1: I think this could help out. It doesn't necessarily mean
Speaker 1: he's going to be the starter, but if he comes
Speaker 1: in and play significant snaps and is able to have
Speaker 1: a rotation where you're not afraid of letting something go
Speaker 1: over the top of your defense, I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: help out a lot. And then you would think they've
Speaker 1: already talked about this with his agent about this is
Speaker 1: what we can afford. You're not coming in here to
Speaker 1: get Yeah, you're gonna be on a one year deal,
Speaker 1: maybe two, but the second year is probably gonna have
Speaker 1: some sort of option in it or something like that.
Speaker 1: And you're not gonna make much more than the than
Speaker 1: the minimum veteran minimum, and you might get a little
Speaker 1: bit of a signing bonus. But yeah, you're not coming
Speaker 1: in here to be rich. But again, you don't have
Speaker 1: a job on July twenty seventh, Right, No, you can't
Speaker 1: get too choosy, No, you can't. Right, you know there's
Speaker 1: thirty one other teams out there. They got ninety guys
Speaker 1: on their roster and no one knocked on my door.
Speaker 1: Think back to the first week of training camp last year.
Speaker 1: Ah ha, Clinton Dix just demoted from the first team
Speaker 1: to the second team, didn't make it out of training camp.
Speaker 1: I think I think they're looking at that from look,
Speaker 1: we want depth. I think when that happened and they
Speaker 1: decided that, you know, he wasn't going to be a fit,
Speaker 1: and they were kind of counting on him being a
Speaker 1: fit potentially when they signed him. They were left with
Speaker 1: some issues depthwise at safety last year. And they haven't
Speaker 1: overspent to sign Kzy, they haven't overspent to sign Jayron Curse,
Speaker 1: and they haven't overspent to sign Kean O'Neill. So I
Speaker 1: would imagine this guy's you know, not going to break
Speaker 1: the bank here because there's much left in the bank
Speaker 1: under the salary cap. Well, fans are clamoring for them
Speaker 1: to spend at that position, and they just haven't. They
Speaker 1: haven't done it. You know, they've they have really been
Speaker 1: availability out there with some high name safety free as outside.
Speaker 1: I mean I guess names, sure, Yeah, I mean Amas
Speaker 1: is out there, we got that. But yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: little while back, and he's a different player than he
Speaker 1: was in the legion of Boom. Different different story. There
Speaker 1: hasn't been that big name safety that's been on the
Speaker 1: market to be able to spin like that. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: have been quality veterans that maybe have some injury history,
Speaker 1: yeah history. Yeah. And look, they were fortunate last year
Speaker 1: that Donovan Wilson just kind of I wouldn't say came
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, But I don't know. I don't think
Speaker 1: they were expecting him to be this viable starter last year,
Speaker 1: and they were lucky he came in and played as
Speaker 1: well as he did, and I think to a certain
Speaker 1: extent they're going to count on him to be a
Speaker 1: starter again. Yeah, you know they. To me, safety is
Speaker 1: an important position. It is a position where, especially in
Speaker 1: today's NFL, if you can have a guy that can
Speaker 1: be a matchup problem and you can move him around,
Speaker 1: I think there's value there. If they can be better
Speaker 1: in the front seven though front seven, pass rush your
Speaker 1: linebackers better, that'll help the safety position, That'll help the
Speaker 1: cornerback position. So you know, find some find some veterans
Speaker 1: who can come in and compete and be solid at
Speaker 1: that position, so solid and and and let's put it
Speaker 1: this way, from safety tell me your I'm trying. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to rile him up. Put put put me your
Speaker 1: position priority on defense, and then tell me where safety
Speaker 1: comes in. I know it's right. Yeah. So if you
Speaker 1: tell me I didn't get to the super Bowl because
Speaker 1: my safety position, I think you've had other problems. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you can. You can look if you find a good one, boy,
Speaker 1: that's great, But I don't think you have to just
Speaker 1: break the bank to fill the safety position. Give me
Speaker 1: a guy that's solid, that doesn't make mistake. But they
Speaker 1: haven't found that guy yet. And I think that's the
Speaker 1: biggest issue for Cowboys fans. That Jeff Heath was good,
Speaker 1: he was serviceable, he didn't cost him games. They what
Speaker 1: cost him games last year? What did they have thirty
Speaker 1: one sacks? Go spending money on a deal. I don't
Speaker 1: disagree with you there. I do think they've had opportunities
Speaker 1: to address it. They haven't. Tyron Matthew went somewhere else
Speaker 1: and kind of helped transform a defense in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: I mean it can that position can be valuable, but look,
Speaker 1: they've looked to address other spots. You know, I'm okay
Speaker 1: with addressing pass rusher and defense defensive tackle. I was
Speaker 1: fine with that defensive line, spending three picks on that line.
Speaker 1: I'm good with it. Yeah, yeah, linebacker fine, you know,
Speaker 1: And maybe Israel can develop into a safety at some point.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect that this year, but maybe in the
Speaker 1: next couple of years, maybe he can develop into a
Speaker 1: guy that's part of a rotation. He certainly has a
Speaker 1: foundation for it, and he looks the part out there.
Speaker 1: He's running with the threes right now. Israel mcguama, who
Speaker 1: we're talking about right here, So maybe he does fit
Speaker 1: that mold and he kind of works his way into that.
Speaker 1: But I think he does, like you said, have a
Speaker 1: long way to go. But we mentioned the defensive tackles.
Speaker 1: We've got a fan question surrounding those d tackles. How
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Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys. We're gonna start things off with sting Ray.
Speaker 1: He asked a great question the other day, very simple
Speaker 1: one today. Any comments on the defensive tackles, of course,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a lot of eyes on them, Mick,
Speaker 1: anything you see sticking out with the interior of that
Speaker 1: defensive line early on, asked me after tomorrow, Okay, when
Speaker 1: the pads come on. Okay, it's a little very fair thing.
Speaker 1: But what they're doing right now on the first team,
Speaker 1: they've got Carlos Watkins out there along with Neville Gallimore,
Speaker 1: and they are really high on Neville Gallimore. He was
Speaker 1: one of the guys that won the offseason Workout Award,
Speaker 1: and evidently he is really all in. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get better and remember he ended up starting what the
Speaker 1: last eight nine games last year. Yeah, and there was
Speaker 1: a reason why he did that, because he really improved.
Speaker 1: And and again here was a guy that you probably
Speaker 1: had high hopes for, no off season, no preseason, and
Speaker 1: just kind of got thrown into the fire right like
Speaker 1: all the rookies did last year, without any lead up,
Speaker 1: And it took him a little while to get going,
Speaker 1: and understandably because he was kind of playing a different
Speaker 1: position than he played at Oklahoma. At Oklahoma they were
Speaker 1: in a three man front and he was playing defensive end.
Speaker 1: Now he's in where he should be at the three
Speaker 1: technique defensive tackle with a four man line, and I'm
Speaker 1: expecting big things for him, but again, let's put the
Speaker 1: pads on and see what happens. I mentioned him the
Speaker 1: first show out here that I think you can mark
Speaker 1: him down as a starter. That's how they feel about him.
Speaker 1: That's what he showed last year. I talked to him
Speaker 1: at minicamp back at the Star and he said, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be dominant. I'm trying to be a dominant player.
Speaker 1: They think he's got that skill set because he is
Speaker 1: a good athlete at that position and can be one
Speaker 1: of those pressure player, disruptive guys. Inside, I'm with Mick.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think offensive line defensive line pads help
Speaker 1: you tell the story a little bit better. But also
Speaker 1: Diggi Zooa had a sack or would be sack in
Speaker 1: practice oppressive one too. Yeah on Sunday blew up the
Speaker 1: offensive line. Yeah, you know, he's He's one I really
Speaker 1: want to watch in the preseason and when pads come
Speaker 1: on in terms of can you how much can he
Speaker 1: crack the rotation? Can he be a guy that gets
Speaker 1: twenty snaps in the rotation as a rookie per game.
Speaker 1: I think that's possible because he's He's also got some flexibility.
Speaker 1: He can kind of play along the front, so he's
Speaker 1: won in particular I want to watch for sure. Reminder,
Speaker 1: olso Diggi zoo was taking seven spots higher in the
Speaker 1: draft than Gallimore just a year later, so I mean
Speaker 1: they probably have similar expectations going into it. Now you
Speaker 1: forget about oh Diggi Zooa and just how high he
Speaker 1: was taken, because there were eleven draft picks through this
Speaker 1: draft class. Whereas Gallimore was the third, Diggy Zoola was
Speaker 1: also the third. But still some pretty high hopes on
Speaker 1: their end. And one thing, one more thing on Neville Gallimore.
Speaker 1: Even with the limited access that we had last year
Speaker 1: with players, I gotta has to talk with him at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Got a chance to talk with him
Speaker 1: over zoom after the draft, and then I had a
Speaker 1: chance to talk with him the other day when we
Speaker 1: showed up here in Oxnard. And every time I've talked
Speaker 1: to him, I've seen a considerable difference and a considerable
Speaker 1: raise in his confidence. And you can see it just
Speaker 1: in the way that he talks, in the way that
Speaker 1: he's been around other people. And now that's different, of course,
Speaker 1: because he's had more time to talk to the media
Speaker 1: and he's been around this team longer. But if that's
Speaker 1: something that translates to the field, which I think it will,
Speaker 1: that's something to watch out for for a guy like
Speaker 1: Nevill Gallimore. And let's not forget Bohannah, and he would
Speaker 1: be the type of guy that you got to see
Speaker 1: him in pads and see just what he can do
Speaker 1: in the middle of the line to kind of hold up.
Speaker 1: And you know what impressed me with him in the
Speaker 1: mini camp and OTAs was the fact we're talking a
Speaker 1: six or four guy that's three to thirty or least
Speaker 1: that's what they got him listed at that moves like
Speaker 1: he could be a tight end. So I like the
Speaker 1: fact that he's got good feet and and and he's
Speaker 1: and he's mobile at that size. So when the pads
Speaker 1: come on, let's see what if he can make an
Speaker 1: impression and earn him some snaps. When they drafted him,
Speaker 1: I just I immediately thought of don Terry. Poe just
Speaker 1: immediately thought because just a huge guy inside who can
Speaker 1: help plug the run and and create you know, create
Speaker 1: less space in the run game. Poe did not do that.
Speaker 1: You know, he's done that through about to say, Bohannah,
Speaker 1: right now, I'm not making a direct comparison. I'm saying
Speaker 1: what the role is. And Okay, I think and Mickey's
Speaker 1: point is right, Like he's for his size and he's
Speaker 1: been listed at different weights throughout his college career. I
Speaker 1: think he's like you said, three thirty here, three sixty
Speaker 1: was one listed weight at Kentucky. Whatever he is, he
Speaker 1: doesn't move like one one and less meal when he
Speaker 1: when he's not a tree stump, this guy can be
Speaker 1: active defensive line. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm be interested when
Speaker 1: the pads. Come on what he does? If he's not
Speaker 1: a tree stump? What was don Terry po Don Terry
Speaker 1: Poe was basically a broken downfrigerator. Okay, could I was
Speaker 1: about to say, could could we say it on air?
Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty good one. Okay, here's Ernie
Speaker 1: switching things to the offensive side of the football. He asked,
Speaker 1: this offense has struggled with slow starts in the past.
Speaker 1: Have you been able to see and this isn't just
Speaker 1: really around training camp, but he maintain individual games. I'm
Speaker 1: getting correct in games? Have you been able to see
Speaker 1: the differences in areas of growth of Kellen Moore's game
Speaker 1: when it comes to tempo, execution and situational football going
Speaker 1: into his third year. I don't know. That might be
Speaker 1: overthinking it. I don't disagree that they've had slow starts,
Speaker 1: even when Dak's been healthy. They've and I don't know
Speaker 1: if I can put my finger on it why, but
Speaker 1: they have had trouble going back to twenty nineteen kind
Speaker 1: of getting out of the gate. It's not every game,
Speaker 1: but it does happen. I will say, situationally, what we've
Speaker 1: really watched the most is the two minutes stuff, and
Speaker 1: I think Dack's been really good there so far. Um.
Speaker 1: I think all all three quarterbacks did a nice job
Speaker 1: in the two minute Mick the other day, really well
Speaker 1: where Nucci and and Danucci was working with the seconds too.
Speaker 1: But yes, because Cooper Rush has the back spasms. But
Speaker 1: it was a situation where it was either a tie
Speaker 1: score or they were down by two with minute and
Speaker 1: change left, had to drive the length of the field
Speaker 1: for a field goal to either win it or tie it.
Speaker 1: And I think all three quarterbacks they stopped the drill
Speaker 1: by the time they got in field goal position, so
Speaker 1: it was it was a good It was good work
Speaker 1: for all three quarterbacks there. Yeah. Yeah, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: slow when he said slow starts, and I guess he
Speaker 1: meant in games because correct, the first five games they
Speaker 1: averaged thirty two points a game. So you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know what happened in the first quarter, but you know, uh,
Speaker 1: if they didn't have slow starts, they might have averaged
Speaker 1: forty a game. I guess, good point. It's a good point.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's something that Kelly Moore can work on. Speaking
Speaker 1: of kellw for touchdowns, right, yeah, go, I'll see some
Speaker 1: sixty yard passes right out the gate point of the
Speaker 1: game right find the end zone. They did have some
Speaker 1: games playing from behind and they and a lot of turnovers.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Uh. Emilio asks any new updates for Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper and DeMarcus Lawrence. There possible return dates. I believe
Speaker 1: Jerry spoke on this, right Mickey. Uh. Jerry said after
Speaker 1: Arizona UM, DeMarcus Lawrence can go out there and play
Speaker 1: a game right now. Okay. I watched him do his
Speaker 1: rehab this last practice and he's he's running like his
Speaker 1: hair's on fire. Uh, doing all the drills uh and
Speaker 1: moving really really well. They're just being overly cautious with him, uh,
Speaker 1: knowing that he doesn't need these mini camp practices. You know,
Speaker 1: you didn't have him in mini camp before. He doesn't
Speaker 1: need mini camp practices. When the pads come on and
Speaker 1: they feel like it's time to go, he will be
Speaker 1: ready to go. We'll see an Amari. H. I at
Speaker 1: least saw him, um what days today, Monday, Tuesday, Tuesday,
Speaker 1: So Sunday he was out on the chords. That was
Speaker 1: the first time I had seen him on the chord.
Speaker 1: It's always a good son. He might be able to
Speaker 1: do being doing that and just didn't do it when
Speaker 1: we were around. But again, I think with him and
Speaker 1: he's pretty particular, so I think they're just being cautious
Speaker 1: with him too. But I think by the time the
Speaker 1: season starts, both guys will be ready to going out.
Speaker 1: I think almost everybody that they put on pop UH
Speaker 1: should be ready. You know, it's hard to know on
Speaker 1: Gholston when you have a hamstring like that. Um but too.
Speaker 1: And Tristan Hill, they look he was working hard yesterday,
Speaker 1: I mean the day before UH, because he was working
Speaker 1: out with with Lawrence and he was doing all the
Speaker 1: same stuff Lawrence was doing, and he was running really hard,
Speaker 1: and he's all in. Here's kind of their thought. I
Speaker 1: think on Tristan Hill, they got it. They got these
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, right, you got one that you put on pup. Now,
Speaker 1: do you want him competing with all these other guys
Speaker 1: that are fully healthy or do you say, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to cut any of these guys. Maybe
Speaker 1: I leave him on PUP for six weeks and then
Speaker 1: by time the six weeks are up, he'll be even
Speaker 1: further removed from his torn ACL I'll probably have an
Speaker 1: injury or so along the way and then I can
Speaker 1: activate him. So I think they look at Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: as being in their hip pocket right now. He's almost
Speaker 1: like an unofficial reserve is basically what they're going to
Speaker 1: use that pup list as. And I think there's no
Speaker 1: rush to get him back out there. And like you said,
Speaker 1: with the amount of defensive tackles that we've already spoken about,
Speaker 1: I think it is without And we didn't even mention
Speaker 1: Bret Urban, right, Brent Urban, Yeah, yeah, well he's look
Speaker 1: Tristan's also three hundred pounds, so it was coming off
Speaker 1: an injury like that usually takes a little bit longer
Speaker 1: than it would for a Blake Jarwin. So I want
Speaker 1: to kind of switch this back over to the offense
Speaker 1: really quickly. A couple of questions coming in about Connor
Speaker 1: Williams taking the backup UH center reps yesterday and maybe
Speaker 1: being that reserve center should something happen to the starter
Speaker 1: Tyler Beyotish, is there a possibility and this is from
Speaker 1: Scott by the way, is there a possibility that Connor
Speaker 1: Williams could move to the starter spot at center and
Speaker 1: then maybe a Connor McGovern who played really well down
Speaker 1: the stretch last year move into the starting left guard spot,
Speaker 1: any chance at all, I don't see that. I think
Speaker 1: I think they're looking for Joe Looney's replacement in house.
Speaker 1: Tyler Beotish is good. He is good. He's good. He
Speaker 1: was better than Joe Looney. So was that smoking the
Speaker 1: fire again? I think, so you did it this time?
Speaker 1: I did it? Yeah, I mean, do these guys watch
Speaker 1: the games? He was he he had won that starting
Speaker 1: center job after Looney went out with his sprain knee
Speaker 1: and then he got hurt right, and then he missed
Speaker 1: four games, and then you know, by time you get
Speaker 1: back in the swing of things, it's two more. And
Speaker 1: I think they just thought, look, for continuity's sake, we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna leave uh Looney in there. This kid
Speaker 1: would have won that job in the off season. If
Speaker 1: he was an off season I'd completely agree. Freak thing too,
Speaker 1: didn't he hurt his hamstring and warm up up that
Speaker 1: that was? That was twenty in a nutshell. So I
Speaker 1: don't want to to to ridicule Scott. I think he
Speaker 1: does probably watch the games, and he's probably not hating
Speaker 1: on Tyler Ben. Yeah, I mean Scott name so, But
Speaker 1: I think maybe the concern that that Scott may have
Speaker 1: or maybe even other fans out there, is the availability.
Speaker 1: Connor Williams was the only player on the offensive line,
Speaker 1: starting offensive line to play all sixteen games last year.
Speaker 1: And if out of all of your offensive line coming
Speaker 1: off an ACL coming that which is extremely important, out
Speaker 1: of all the offensive line spots, what's the most important
Speaker 1: to have a rapport with center. Gotta have a rapport
Speaker 1: with center. So maybe that's some of the thought process
Speaker 1: that goes into that question. But I agree with you
Speaker 1: both of you. I don't think it's ever going to happen.
Speaker 1: I think Tyler Beotish is the guy. I think it's
Speaker 1: his job to lose. Just you have to have a
Speaker 1: backup at center. They don't have a backup right now.
Speaker 1: They've had Connor Williams focusing on guard yep or Connor
Speaker 1: McGovern folks, excuse me, focusing on guard. H Brandon Knight
Speaker 1: is focused on guard. So they've maybe they've got that
Speaker 1: position set up. Yeah, they don't have a backup center.
Speaker 1: And what tells what's interesting about this though, is if
Speaker 1: it works out and and it's it's an adjustment period
Speaker 1: for Connor Williams. He didn't really play the position ever. Um.
Speaker 1: They he said after practice coming out of college, they
Speaker 1: looked at him as teams looked at him as a
Speaker 1: tackle and a guard. Um. So there's an adjustment there,
Speaker 1: see if he can do it. But it tells me
Speaker 1: they're willing to, you know, switch to positions in the
Speaker 1: starting five if they have to, which tells me maybe
Speaker 1: they're open to doing what they did last year before
Speaker 1: Zach's injury. Well at right tackle if I did, but
Speaker 1: or left tackle. But answer this question, if it's not him,
Speaker 1: who's the backup center? Uh? And don't tell me Forniac
Speaker 1: it's not we would be I think week one, but
Speaker 1: he is. Braylon Jones was the other one rookie free agent.
Speaker 1: Can have anybody other than Beatish on this ninety man
Speaker 1: roster that took a snap at center in the NFL
Speaker 1: last year. I know that's That's that's what's worrisome. That's
Speaker 1: why with that question, it's Tyler Biadis's job. There's no
Speaker 1: questions about that because of what they haven't done at
Speaker 1: that position. Connor McGovern played it at Penn State. He
Speaker 1: could play center. For whatever reason, they're leaving him kind
Speaker 1: of guard, letting him focus on that. But the last
Speaker 1: time he did that was forty years ago. I know.
Speaker 1: I'm just hey, we're just digging down here. Who Who's who?
Speaker 1: Has snapped a football? Yeah? Yeah, side, Oh, I've snapped
Speaker 1: a football before. I have to get in there, Mick,
Speaker 1: there go gunning snaps didn't go five feet over the
Speaker 1: guy's head. Goodness gracious. I think week one you see
Speaker 1: Tyler Beotish as the starter, Connor Williams is the backup,
Speaker 1: and I think after the Cowboys going get a win
Speaker 1: on the road at Tampa Bay on that Thursday night,
Speaker 1: that Friday, I think you see seventy three getting a call.
Speaker 1: I think Joe Looney will be in there because by
Speaker 1: that point there's no guaranteed veteran deals along the way,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's what they're waiting for him. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: what they're waiting. I think he as long as he
Speaker 1: hasn't eaten himself out of an opportunity and he and
Speaker 1: he's ready to go, I think it's a possibility that
Speaker 1: they look like he's in their hip pocket if they
Speaker 1: need him. I think that's exactly the thought process right now.
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Speaker 1: game coming up for you guys. Oh, Mickey loves games. Mickey,
Speaker 1: first time I asked, these are like things you do
Speaker 1: at the bar when you're drinking beer, right, you play
Speaker 1: these games to play these as brought us and he
Speaker 1: had the best time. That's fun. Let's do it, Okay,
Speaker 1: what Unich can have the biggest jump from last year? Well, no, okay,
Speaker 1: so specific position groups, So I'll give you five. I'm
Speaker 1: giving you five choices defensive line, cornerback, running back, offensive line, linebackers.
Speaker 1: So four of the five choices are on on defense.
Speaker 1: So can or needs to can? But most likely to
Speaker 1: have the biggest jump from last year to this year?
Speaker 1: Most likely linebacker? Why is that? Because they drafted one
Speaker 1: in the twelfth pick in the in the draft, it's
Speaker 1: pretty good. Do you think that will happen? Do you
Speaker 1: think it will be the biggest jump? Yeah? I think so,
Speaker 1: because Layton Vanders is going to be healthy. Uh, and
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of competition on who's going
Speaker 1: to be on that on those top three. But if if,
Speaker 1: if Micah Parson is on the field where he will be, uh,
Speaker 1: they'll make the biggest jump. Offensive line. Why is that?
Speaker 1: Because everybody's healthy right now? I would say offensive line
Speaker 1: can and will needs to. Defensive tackle, They've got to
Speaker 1: be better on the interior defensive tackle. That's why they
Speaker 1: spend all those draft picks. That's why they signed Britt Urban,
Speaker 1: That's why they signed Harlos Watkins. That that was a
Speaker 1: huge emphasis in the off season, and that's you know,
Speaker 1: they really need to be more effective there especial scifically
Speaker 1: against the run. Yeah, you can't be thirty first again
Speaker 1: against the run in the NFL. You can't do that.
Speaker 1: That's not a not a thing. Okay, So so who
Speaker 1: you got? Oh I got? I would actually agree with
Speaker 1: you on linebackers, Okay, I think because I do think
Speaker 1: Layton vander esh will have a healthier year hopefully everybody
Speaker 1: on that word. Again, he was a Pro bowler. He
Speaker 1: very year, very good, but that happened. Happened in like
Speaker 1: forever with the Dallas Cowboys to have a rookie linebacker
Speaker 1: go to the Pro Bowl. And he's got a chip
Speaker 1: on his shoulder that declined his fifth year option. He's
Speaker 1: got to find a way to either one go into
Speaker 1: a contract year with a good season or to try
Speaker 1: and stick around and get a long term extension. So
Speaker 1: either way, I think he's got a chip on his shoulder.
Speaker 1: He's got a mentally focus off season behind him, because
Speaker 1: he even talked about that a little bit, and I
Speaker 1: think he's somebody that could take another jump. And I
Speaker 1: think the rotation with Michael Parson, I think they got
Speaker 1: a plan where he belongs on the week's side. Yes,
Speaker 1: I agree completely, all right, what positions have the best
Speaker 1: odds for regression? Going the other way? Who do you
Speaker 1: think could see a little bit of a downgrade this year?
Speaker 1: I put I put four here. You can add one
Speaker 1: if you want. Quarterback, wide receiver, safety, cornerback. Um, it's
Speaker 1: kind of tough, right because I feel like on paper,
Speaker 1: you feel like you've improved in a lot of spots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is tough and maybe safe. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anything that just sticks. Safety is gonna be worse than
Speaker 1: last year. That's what I'm saying. It's kind of what
Speaker 1: I was thinking, is it's gotta get better. And really,
Speaker 1: even those positions at corner you drafted a guy in
Speaker 1: the second round. Yep, you had some injuries. It's it
Speaker 1: wasn't season ending, but Anthony Brown missed half the season,
Speaker 1: Like you have depth there, Yeah, digs should be better.
Speaker 1: Missed almost the entire season. Yeah. Um. I talked to
Speaker 1: Trayvon dig I asked him yea the other day about
Speaker 1: things that you you see. He said he missed some opportunities.
Speaker 1: He said, I got my hands on fourteen balls last
Speaker 1: year and only got three picks. Not good enough, he said,
Speaker 1: he got He said all of them were in his
Speaker 1: mind interception worthy type player. And let's see how Nishan
Speaker 1: Wright plays with pads on. Yeah, yeah, agreed, they might
Speaker 1: be better. Name were the four options again? So I
Speaker 1: put quarterback, wide receiver, safety, cornerback, well, quarterback. If number
Speaker 1: one doesn't stay healthy, yeah, you know there's an other position.
Speaker 1: Who's the backup? Yep, That's kind of why I put
Speaker 1: it there. I'm not necessarily saying Dak's gonna see a regression.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing I could see is if there's
Speaker 1: injuries corner, they've got to be better, you know, they
Speaker 1: got to be healthier. They need Kelvin Joseph to step
Speaker 1: in and be able to play. That might be the
Speaker 1: closest one or safety. Just because we just talked about
Speaker 1: it for a segment, there are questions about who's gonna start. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how's that rotation gonna look? And if Donovan Wilson doesn't
Speaker 1: have as good of a year as he did in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, but maybe that safety spot is a worse,
Speaker 1: worse off in the world worse, I mean, who it was,
Speaker 1: it was pretty bad. But he could definitely get word
Speaker 1: just trying to answer the question, what did what did
Speaker 1: they lose? Uh? Oh they did? Yes? Yeah, okay? And
Speaker 1: and and I still think he was underrated. He was
Speaker 1: misused last year. They were playing him like a linebacker
Speaker 1: in the nickel defense. What he should have been He
Speaker 1: should have been deep Wilson should have been the box,
Speaker 1: the box safe instead. And they were using him as
Speaker 1: a linebacker at what skinny two hundred and fifteen pound
Speaker 1: maybe twenty two fifteen maybe maybe. And the other team's
Speaker 1: playing two tight ends and he's playing in the box. Seriously,
Speaker 1: I can't disagree with you there. Okay, I'm gonna move
Speaker 1: on to this final question. The Olympics are happening right now.
Speaker 1: It's been a hot topic of conversation. I watched the
Speaker 1: women's some girl named Tops thomsonmas Is Thomas. It was
Speaker 1: Thompson unbelievable. She was nuts. She can go up, she
Speaker 1: got these long arms. And when she goes up to
Speaker 1: spike the thing, man, she not missing. No. They swept
Speaker 1: China three straight sets in China's defending champions. Nice about that.
Speaker 1: You got a USA Olympic shirt underneath three cowboys, don't
Speaker 1: flash anybody, but I mean you got the you've got
Speaker 1: the shirt on underneath who who? There? You go from Olympics.
Speaker 1: Spratt and I bought these, uh twenty sixteen the mall
Speaker 1: when you went to Camerario. No, oh, okay, everything was
Speaker 1: on sale because these four years ago, yeah, four years
Speaker 1: after that. Okay, who would be on your podium for
Speaker 1: best Cowboys of all time? You've got three minutes to
Speaker 1: tell me why you got a gold, silver and bronze.
Speaker 1: Best players ever? Yeah? Ever, just for fun, I just
Speaker 1: if you want to find a different topic, you can.
Speaker 1: Mean it's pretty I mean you if it's easy, tell me.
Speaker 1: You're gonna say Roger Stobuch right, yep, hence the gold, right,
Speaker 1: unless you want to argue with Troy Achman got heath
Speaker 1: on there, Jeff got heath on there. Maybe he's a
Speaker 1: bronze the goat David Ellman's shout out, Yeah, goodness, gracious,
Speaker 1: I would I put Roger, Yeah, Bob Lily's got to
Speaker 1: be on the podium. He was, he's mister cowboy. I
Speaker 1: put him bronze. I'd put Roger gold, I put Emmett's silver.
Speaker 1: That's my exactary. I didn't turn out in our little pole.
Speaker 1: I actually went back and looked at it. Roger was one, Bob,
Speaker 1: Lily was two, Emmett was three, Akman was four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that was pretty good. But I flip flopped Lily
Speaker 1: and Emmett. That's that's my only change. I put him
Speaker 1: as silver when I voted on it, I had him
Speaker 1: silver too. I missed the pole. I didn't see the
Speaker 1: pole you voted on it didn't. It was a while back.
Speaker 1: It was like last year, long time ago. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: to sixty of all time. It was like the sixtieth
Speaker 1: anniversary thing. I thought, you mean you put it like
Speaker 1: a Twitter Okay, yeah, yeah, top sixty. Yeah, Roger, Emmett,
Speaker 1: Bob Yeager. I agree, Bob good with that. I think
Speaker 1: I had Roger, Troy, Emmett, Bob. Oh, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: I'm Troy with it. You can you can substitute Troy
Speaker 1: and Roger, right, I think they're I mean, it's a default,
Speaker 1: right you go to Roger. But I think there's an
Speaker 1: argument there. There is definitely Rogers there. Yeah, Captain America,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I mean, people somehow even you know,
Speaker 1: when it started coming to the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: voting Aikman for Granted, he was good. He was good,
Speaker 1: and they weren't there without him. I guarantee you that
Speaker 1: I don't care if they had Emmett and Michael and
Speaker 1: that offensive line. If Troy's not there, they were not there,
Speaker 1: no doubt, just simple as that. Well, he's fourth on
Speaker 1: the list right now out of the ones that we've mentioned.
Speaker 1: He's not like fourteen or fifty. No, that's why I
Speaker 1: said he was second, and that's why I said it's
Speaker 1: a good argument him or Roger. Well, there you go.
Speaker 1: I love that. I just kind of wanted to pick
Speaker 1: your brains for a little bit. I haven't been around
Speaker 1: very long, so I'm trying to see where i'd stand up,
Speaker 1: and I thought catching up. I'm trying. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get there. But that's gonna do it for us here
Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys. Busy week ahead. We've got practices in
Speaker 1: each of the next three days, five of the next six.
Speaker 1: We'll be back on Thursday to break it all down
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