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Speaker 1: Hey, what up. Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to all Ball, all ball stories all the time. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. If you miss part one

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Speaker 1: of our sit down with John sun Bold, you should

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Speaker 1: go back and listen to. It's pretty fifth fascinating um

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Speaker 1: growing up, why Missouri, how he chose it, playing for

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Speaker 1: playing for norm. This is part two, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get to get to what it was like to play

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Speaker 1: in the NBA and how he lasted in the n

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Speaker 1: b A and calling it quits in the NBA. Before

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Speaker 1: we get to that, I'll give you some quick thoughts

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Speaker 1: on a couple of teams that I've gotten a chance

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Speaker 1: to see in person. I'm blown away by Kentucky's transition

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Speaker 1: game on offense and having seen them against Auburn and

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Speaker 1: seeing him against A and M, and then see him

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Speaker 1: against Kansas, who they blew out. I think the one

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Speaker 1: thing that teams have to realize, and most have, is

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Speaker 1: you have to press them to slow him down, because man,

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Speaker 1: you get Wheeler going full head of steam. If not

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Speaker 1: he throws the ball ahead, they gets you back pedaling.

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Speaker 1: They're so skilled, so athletics, so smart and talented. That's

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Speaker 1: a really good team. You have to make them a

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Speaker 1: half court team if you want to beat him. Bill

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Speaker 1: self tries some triangle to that didn't really work. The

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Speaker 1: zone was relatively effective, man and man was not really effective,

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Speaker 1: but mostly because they struggled to get back in transition.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's one of those things where I do

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Speaker 1: think that John cal Perry may not be the like

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Speaker 1: best excello coach of all time, but he's definitely a

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Speaker 1: very good coach. There's a lot of things he does

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Speaker 1: really well, and he's changed and evolved, and this team

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Speaker 1: is not just good and talented, they're very good and

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Speaker 1: very well coached. As for Kansas, I still think, and

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Speaker 1: of course when I'm recording this, this is after they whooped,

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Speaker 1: I would stay without Bogi. I still think they're the

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Speaker 1: team to beat in the Big twelve. And he's amazing

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Speaker 1: at figuring out kind of the math puzzle for his

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Speaker 1: team and how he can get him to win. But

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Speaker 1: I would also point out that, you know, this is

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Speaker 1: a program that's not used to the portal, and it

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Speaker 1: feels like they made they made some mistakes in the

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Speaker 1: portal they didn't need to make. They took several guards.

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Speaker 1: None of them are really contributing, not just from me Martin,

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Speaker 1: but a chef who kid from Drake. I don't understand

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Speaker 1: some of the selections and maybe you're just looking for depth.

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Speaker 1: They don't have depth inside, and they do have a

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Speaker 1: depth in the back court that he doesn't seemingly trust.

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Speaker 1: So that element to it is at least interesting, if

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Speaker 1: if nothing else, and and kind of classic Bill self.

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Speaker 1: They'll probably win the league, they'll probably be overseated and

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Speaker 1: they won't get to a final four, and people say

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Speaker 1: they choked, And the truth is that his coaching and

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Speaker 1: what they're able to do and put guys and his

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Speaker 1: ability to win that league covered up for the fact

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Speaker 1: that they're not nearly as talented as as some of

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Speaker 1: these teams are. UM I was at Texas and Texas

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Speaker 1: Texas tech I I I don't hate Texas. Um I

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Speaker 1: think you have one of the problems when you're running

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Speaker 1: and they all have It's like they're all they're all

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Speaker 1: already been open. Now you could say the same thing

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Speaker 1: about Texas Tech that as seven new players. Um, I

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Speaker 1: think their defense is incredible. I think their offense is okay,

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Speaker 1: But I don't necessarily believe that Texas has the personnel

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Speaker 1: incredible on defense, I mark Adams is a not a

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Speaker 1: terms of playing the way they want to play a

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Speaker 1: That's where the help is. Doubling from the baseline and

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Speaker 1: that place is a zoo. Now, I think they can

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Speaker 1: that junior college background only helps him. You know, take

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Speaker 1: will be fine. This year, the probably NC a terman team,

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Speaker 1: Adams has used what Beard built and built on it.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. All right. Let's get to John sun Bold.

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Speaker 1: When we last talked to him, he was done as

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Speaker 1: it was what well, my you know, my brother coaches

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Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, we had you could talk

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Speaker 1: back in, you know, at your own peril and you

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Speaker 1: better have some another player to kind of have your back.

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Speaker 1: You can talk back to coach. But you know, we

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Speaker 1: It was always better in the olden days, right, but

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Speaker 1: the bonds you build are unbelievable. But but just in

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Speaker 1: and we ran it to death my sophomore year. We

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Speaker 1: and it was like one. It's the it's the cohesiveness

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Speaker 1: But it's more like, hey, if you're going to play,

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Speaker 1: You don't have to make the shop. You better know

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Speaker 1: what you're supposed to be. And I think that's really

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Speaker 1: able to move and like, yeah, but there's part part

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Speaker 1: Our sophomore year we came in together. He transferred from

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Speaker 1: But there were thirteen times which he did not play

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Speaker 1: in the game. On my senior year, he was amazing, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's like what it's supposed to be about. And

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Speaker 1: a tough coach. Um. When you play a place three

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Speaker 1: or four years, you take on the personality of that guy. Right.

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Speaker 1: So when Norm's good teams at Missouri were usually junior

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Speaker 1: An example, when I was a freshman, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: the break all American Larry Drew throws me the ball.

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Speaker 1: I shoot it. Norm blows the whistle stops it. Why

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Speaker 1: Why do you shoot it? I said, because I'll make

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Speaker 1: that some bitch. He says, exactly right it. But do

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Speaker 1: we have kids like that today? Because if you bounce,

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Speaker 1: if you played for three different coaches and bounced around

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Speaker 1: And that's the challenge. I mean, that's the biggest challenge,

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Speaker 1: games and see it. I go to practices. Coaches aren't

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Speaker 1: all of them, but the guys aren't like they used

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Speaker 1: like like they'd like to coach, no doubt. I mean

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Speaker 1: even he, but he used, he said, he famously would

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Speaker 1: talk to other other players. He would he would say

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Speaker 1: things to other guys on other teams. And what's weird

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Speaker 1: Like what we do? You know that? What was that

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Speaker 1: experience like when he would be talking to the other

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Speaker 1: was a like a back and forth there a little bit. Well,

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Speaker 1: normal was a psychology guy. I mean it was a

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Speaker 1: to golf. Norm would put it like, okay, if this

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Speaker 1: his he can't break. So we're gonna take that player

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Speaker 1: is fred Brown needed more minutes off the bench. He

427
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 1: was downtown. Freddy Brown, aged thirty one. David Thompson, one

428
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: of the greatest ever, came off an injured list. So

429
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: then your minutes kind of go down. But uh, but

430
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,479
Speaker 1: here's the packing order of how kids are. My second

431
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 1: trip maybe to to Kansas City, maybe my first trip.

432
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: I had an unbelievable second game. Lenny Wilkins was my coach.

433
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: First game, I might have played five minutes the first

434
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: game we had in Seattle. Second game, we go to

435
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 1: Kansas City where the Kings were. Lenny puts me in

436
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 1: second quarter where Kemper old kemper Arena. I love Kemper.

437
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: I hit three, I got six points. At half. It's

438
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: Blue Springs, it's Johnston Bull Day. Half, my hometown's there,

439
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm I'm feeling good at half because

440
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: I scored right, I've I've got three buckets, but good,

441
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 1: at least I didn't lay an egg. We come out

442
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: I have twelve In the fourth quarter we went like

443
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: I again, you're in front of your own people. You

444
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: do your thing. But what's funny about that is the

445
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: night before we had practiced at a place called Avala

446
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: College in Kansas City. Back in the day, you'd take

447
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: anywhere you can practice, right, you fly into a town.

448
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: My brother Scott, the engineer, the most cautious of all

449
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: of us, comes to watch practice. Now in his mind,

450
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: there's Jack Sickman. Wow, there's David Thompson, there's and there's

451
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: a little brother John. But that's so. My brother Bob

452
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: from Columbia comes over for dinner my family's house and

453
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,959
Speaker 1: he says to my brother Bob, he goes, you know,

454
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: John's pretty good. Now I'm a little brother. I'm just

455
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: a little and Bob goes, no, ship like you haven't

456
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: been watching for four years. I mean, but again, that's

457
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: that's you know in the Midwest. Town in the Midwest,

458
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean it was it was comical,

459
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: but but it was true. I'm still a little brother

460
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: johnap So, yeah, I mean, it was. But the thing

461
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: about what helped me was when my minutes went down

462
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: that rookie year. I know what one game, maybe I

463
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: didn't get in and I was pissed, Like I'm pissed

464
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get dressed fast. Lenny's already given a

465
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: speech and and Freddie Brown, age thirty one, comes over

466
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: and said, here's the deal. It's not how many minutes

467
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: you play, it's how many years you play. So here's

468
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: what you need to do. Go get on the treadmill. Uh,

469
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: lift some weights before you get out of here. I'll

470
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: meet you tomorrow early. Don't take a day off because

471
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: when Lenny calls your number, you gotta be ready. Fast forward.

472
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: I played nine years, my eighth and ninth year. I'm

473
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: telling guys in Miami, Bimbo Coles, Keith Askins, I'm going

474
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: in there going, hey, guys, know how many years? Man

475
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: haven't now many minutes, it's years. Lift some weights. I'll

476
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: lift with you. I'll come tomorrow early. We'll get some

477
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: shots in. And both those guys had a longer career.

478
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: And I mean because if you don't that that that

479
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: ego gets in your way. And if you know Lenny's

480
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: call him my number one night, and all of a sudden,

481
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: she and I haven't been shooting, and I haven't not

482
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: in shape because you know the game, NBA game so

483
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: many games. The practices aren't much. But if you're not playing,

484
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: you better stay sharp. You better stay sharp. And that's

485
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: the challenge. What was David Thompson? Uh, one of the

486
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: nicest guys I've ever met. David had a substance issue. Uh,

487
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: and he was coming out of rehab. Did you know? Yeah,

488
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: we we we knew, Yes, yeah, we knew because it

489
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: was public. Uh. And so when he I didn't, I

490
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: didn't meet him, like until let's say, let's say, let's

491
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: say camp started October one, and I probably went out

492
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: to Seattle September one right to start working out with

493
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: you guys. I think David joined us mid November one, December.

494
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: First time I menut and what I mean David David

495
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: Thompson was David Thompson, Like yeah, And what was really

496
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: cool about it was you play and i'd let's say,

497
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: I guarded him and he would come off a pick.

498
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: We used to laugh about discuss. Williams always laughed David

499
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: would catch it and wait till you got on and

500
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: then jump up and shooting like I can shoot if

501
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: I'm open, but I'd rather just you come out and

502
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: then I'll shoot it over like and I look at

503
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,239
Speaker 1: him like you always gotta wait for me. He goes, well,

504
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 1: I know you'll get there. I just yeah. But anyway,

505
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: so in the nightmare of all nightmares in in in

506
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: our life, none of us knew what substance abuse was, right,

507
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: that's what That's why I asked yes. So we didn't

508
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: understand that you couldn't have a beer right, like nothing.

509
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: And we had a we were on the East Coast,

510
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: we were in Philadelphia, we played a game. We took

511
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: a bus from there to Jersey and on that bus,

512
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: I mean again, it's grown man, so you're drinking beer

513
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. But none of us knew that David shouldn't.

514
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: And that night the youngest of the young they're all

515
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: older guys. So we get there. We had a day

516
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Speaker 1: off the next day and I'm a kid from the Midwest,

517
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: and they said, anybody want to go do something. We're

518
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: in Jersey, New York. We probably got there to mid

519
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock midnight. I said, let's go to studio fifty four. Like,

520
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: that's right, So probably six of us pile in different

521
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: two different cabs and go studios sixty four and in

522
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 1: in in a in a nightmarish moment at about two thirty,

523
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: I remember a big bouncer grabbing me. You're with Seattle, right, yeah,

524
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: and he's pulling me out into this cold outside with

525
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: the other guys. David had gotten some altercation and some

526
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: guy pushed him down the stairs. That was that night, Yeah,

527
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: and his knee blew up and swelled up in his jeans.

528
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: I mean we could see it, and it was. It was.

529
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: It was a nightmare. It was a nightmare. But yeah,

530
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: I was so he had ended his career and it

531
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: was it was tough because, I mean, we none of

532
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: us knew the fact that a David couldn't drink a

533
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: beer and we shouldn't be drinking around it, right, We

534
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: didn't none of understood any of that stuff. And uh, yeah,

535
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: it was. It was a bad night. It was a

536
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 1: bad night. What was Tom Chambers? Tom was I'll tell

537
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: you what. He was a high flyer. I'm just telling you,

538
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: freak like like he's one of those um Like again,

539
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: if you played today right like he would absolutely translate today.

540
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: He was so athletic because he shoot. He was He

541
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: was the opposite of usually the plotting power forward right

542
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: six ft ten high flyer shoot. Tom played at a high,

543
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: intense level, like not always high, i Q at times low,

544
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: but high in slow. And I'll just say this, if

545
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 1: he's running the floor and he doesn't get it, oh

546
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: he's on your ass. Like he's on your ass. But

547
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: if he gets it in the right spot, as Lenny

548
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: always told me, Lenny Wilpins, if Tom gets in the

549
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: right spot, he's finishing this planet. Right, He's and and

550
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 1: that's what he He just had an intensity to him

551
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: that was just crazy, like just and he'd go get numbers.

552
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just getting numbers every night, every game.

553
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: And I didn't practice all that hard all the time.

554
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: But here's the thing about the NBA. People don't get

555
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: because they say, well, practice can't be hard. All you

556
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: gotta do is play five on five and then practice

557
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: his heart right because of the competitive level. You take

558
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: the second five and they start kicking the ass of

559
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: the first cash because that's what you want to do.

560
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: I want more minutes. I'm gonna try to score on

561
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: him and then all of a sudden, you gotta practice. Now,

562
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: you gotta worry about fighting, right, you're a team. But

563
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: that's all an NBA. I've never been on a team

564
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: that didn't fight. And that's but that's that's the level

565
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: of competition of the personnel, and the NBA is the

566
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: highest ever. So when someone said, well, practice is easy,

567
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: I went, yeah, not really, because everybody wants minutes. If

568
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: a guy in front of me turns his ankle, that's

569
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: too bad for you. But my turn, right, it's it's

570
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: my turn. Like so I and I hope you sit

571
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: out for about a week. And when when sicknal we

572
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: get the ball in the post and reverse pivot and

573
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: make a shot. Did you guys call it the sigma then?

574
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: Or was it afterwards that he became the sick move.

575
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: I was always a sick mon. It was always Jack,

576
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: I mean, but that was that's that was his move.

577
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: That was his go to the reverse, reverse pivot and

578
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: the post. No one did that, even the all all

579
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: the way behind the head up high. Guys couldn't know.

580
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: It was my rookie year. We go to Boston. We're

581
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: only going to the Celtics once. One time you go

582
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: West East once they come out to place once and

583
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think they only lost one game

584
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: in this two year span. We beat him, and I

585
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: must have played well because I was in the fourth

586
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: I was in, I was in the game the fourth

587
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: quarter of the whole quarter. Guarden, Dennis Johnson and Sickma

588
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: had about thirty eight and Bird had about forty five.

589
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: Is back and forth, but we beat him, and something

590
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: unheard of because again nobody went to Boston and won

591
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: a game. But uh, yeah, Jack was I mean obviously

592
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame or special player um and I

593
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: don't I mean Helly shot for the free tie like

594
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: he could have just flat out shooting. And again one

595
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: of those guys that I don'm not saying overachieved, but

596
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: any hig school showed up, you know, and and and

597
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: worked at his craft. I mean, he was one of

598
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: those guys that worked at his craft. And again, if

599
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have played for Seattle, I'm not sure howd

600
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: have played nine years. I played with older guys because

601
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: they taught me to be a pro. Even though today's world,

602
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: a young guy goes to a young team. If you

603
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: don't learn it, yeah, you can be done in a

604
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: year and I don't I don't know if I would

605
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: have survived if I wouldn't have played with a bunch

606
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: of older guys. Then again, after practice, Doug, I'm twenty

607
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: two years old, going okay, what do we do now? Well? No,

608
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: they all got wives and kids, and I'm thinking, well, shoot,

609
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: so I go hang out the mall or I'll go.

610
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: I mean it was weird. It was weird. But if

611
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have played Freddie Brown and Gus and those guys, yeah,

612
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have played nine, I really don't.

613
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: Um you went. You were on the first heat team, right, yeah? Yeah? Yeah?

614
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: That was that the expansion draft? Or was so I

615
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: was picked up? You have twelve guys, you could keep eight.

616
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 1: Now we lost? Okay, I'm with the Spurs. We drafted

617
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: David Robinson, but he couldn't play, went to the Naval

618
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: So we don't really have a center because we have David.

619
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: Did you guys have Tart with Tart the coach that year? No?

620
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: I had. That was Bobby Wise. First. I was traded

621
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: cotton Fit Simmons traded for me. I was two years

622
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: in Seattle, went to my third camp Bernie Bickerstaff came in.

623
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: Lenny Wilkins went up to be GM. I knew in

624
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: training camp I'm either done in the league or I'll

625
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: be somewhere else, because Bernie had his way of doing

626
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: things more defensive oriented, wasn't Mike. I mean, I guarded

627
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: as well as I could, but it didn't matter. So

628
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: Cotton Fit Simmons traded for me. Then he was fired.

629
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: We had Bobby Wisse, who really, for me, was my

630
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: best coach. He didn't want to point guard, to run

631
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,719
Speaker 1: pick and roll. He wanted passing game perfect. I come up,

632
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: I enter, you go through, you move it. So that

633
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: that year, uh, the expansion came in, I started quite

634
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: a bit of it. I had a stress fracture in

635
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: my leg, my timby bone. It's like uh splints, and

636
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: I played on it because back then, if I didn't,

637
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: you thought you cut and you weren't getting paid. So

638
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: I played on it. I think the Spurs thought that, actually, Bobby.

639
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: We made the playoffs. We get beat by the Lakers.

640
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: It was the Laker Lakers, right, the great Lakers, and

641
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: I started. We get beating three games best of five.

642
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 1: It was interesting because they could protect eight guys well obviously,

643
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: everybody thought I was one of the eight, and I

644
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: told my wife, I'm not sure. I'm not sure if

645
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: they'll protect me, and she said, why wouldn't I well,

646
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: I got this crack in my bone. It's got a heel.

647
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. So anyway, the list comes out and

648
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: they don't protect me. And that night my agent calls

649
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: Charlotte wants to see me. Miami wants to see me,

650
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: but they want to see an X ray. Miami flies

651
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: me down to see their doctor and they all said

652
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: stay off your leg all summer really here, which is

653
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: a killer for a guy that all I do is

654
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: work out and run. And I got had my legs

655
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: to shoot order to play. So anyway, the heat picked

656
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: me up. We go down there. I wasn't in great shape.

657
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: They picked me up to kind of be elite guard,

658
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: but I wasn't in shape. I wasn't It wasn't good.

659
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: So training camp was awkward. Then I decided I told

660
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: my why we rented a furnished apartment downtown condominum. I said,

661
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: we won't be here long. I'll be cut something. So

662
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: I took the time, like the first few weeks of

663
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: the season, when we got started to just get in shape.

664
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: Wrote a bike to practice, Ran stayed after, Ran, wrote

665
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: a bike back home, got my legs to where it

666
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: was good. They were good, and we were bad as

667
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: a team because you just took They took the youngest

668
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 1: guys they could. We had old guys Rory Sparrow, Pat Cummings,

669
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: Scott Hastings. Now we could play the they were gonna

670
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: play the young guys. So in my world what happened

671
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: was we were so bad offensively, so bad offensively that

672
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: at one point they came and said, all right, Sobold,

673
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: when you get in you gotta shoot. And I'm like,

674
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: what do you mean, No, No, you're coming out of

675
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: you don't shoot. You can shoot a running hook, you

676
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: can shoot a running shot. We're setting picks for you.

677
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: So I averaged double figures. I said, an NBA record

678
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: fifty two from three point line, and literally, if I

679
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: didn't shoot it ship they'd take me out because we

680
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: were bad. But we started winning some games, having fun.

681
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: I mean it was we knew the older guys knew

682
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: that our job basically was to help the young guys. Right.

683
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: This was the last. It was my sixth year, the

684
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: last of my contract. I had a three year deal

685
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: start with the next one was a three year, no guarantee,

686
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: and I thought to my wife, this is it, Like,

687
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: we'll just play this out. It's been fun. I'm on

688
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: a serious roll through December, gonna be in the All

689
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: Star shootout, scoring shooting. My agent call said, hey, I'm

690
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: heading to my he's in Seattle, Stelle, I'm head to Miami.

691
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: They want to sign a new deal, I said, A

692
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: new deal, I said, And this was I thought the coach.

693
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: The coach kind of wanted to trade me. To be honest. Yeah,

694
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: they're run and I got long, but he knew that

695
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: young guys, and he was a defensive minded guy. And again,

696
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'd come in. I'd come in after the

697
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: game we'd lose like eight, and I'd be like, dude,

698
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: we gotta at the NBA. We need to score over Hunter.

699
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: So we didn't maybe get along with some of that.

700
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: It wasn't bad. So he said he was gonna play

701
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: me to trade me, which makes you ornery, And I said,

702
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: good right, good, so play me. So now you go

703
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: on a role not my agents in town. I go

704
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: out of town, come back. We go have dinner in

705
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: Coconut grove. I'll there forget sitting outside of this a

706
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: little mixt or Italian place. Here's a three year guaranteed deal. Uh,

707
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: my wife's looking like, what do you mean guaranteed? He's

708
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: got bad legs, he got bad shoulders. He was no guaranteed.

709
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: And they're gonna pay you more to sign this than

710
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: you're making that because they're under the salary camp. He said,

711
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: but if you keep playing like this to be a

712
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: free agent and the money's gonna jump next year. I said, hey,

713
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: he didn't. He may not even play me the rest

714
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: of the way, Like, I have no idea what's gonna

715
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: go on. Anyway, we signed the deal because we like Miami.

716
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: I had a great relationship with Cunningham, the Hall of Famer.

717
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: Billy was part of the ownership group and was in

718
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: charge of a little bit of basketball personnel. So Billy

719
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: came to me and said, here's the deal. There might

720
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: be some teams that need your services when we get

721
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 1: close to trade deadline. He goes, every time they call

722
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: for you, I'm you and I'll meet. We'll see if

723
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: I said, hey, that's fair. I mean I loved my

724
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: Miami was fun, right, I had no kids, off days.

725
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: I was friends of every golf pro in the area. Uh.

726
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: I think the first team that wanted me was the

727
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: New Jersey Nets. So so Billy's at practice and he

728
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: goes to stay here. He goes, Okay, uh Jet, the

729
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: Nets are gonna give up a second und pick for you.

730
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: He goes, I don't need any more draft picks. They've

731
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: blown us up forever. So he looked at me, he goes,

732
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: do you really want to go to New Jersey? They're

733
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: gonna be the eighth seed. No play the Celtics. I said, well,

734
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't really want to go to I thought, so

735
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: let's not go to Jersey. And then there was one

736
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: more mult have been the Bucks for somebody, and there

737
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: would have been a five seed, but they were gonna

738
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: win the title. And again, when you're in Miami and

739
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: you're thinking of going to Milwaukiere in New Jersey. Yeah,

740
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: I told Billy, because Billy said, John, you're good for us.

741
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: You do what you do, whether whether you play thirty

742
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: minutes a night or no minutes a night, You go

743
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: speak publicly for us, You help out the young guys.

744
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: So and really, my, my, my last two years were

745
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: just not any fun because I got hurt um my

746
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: eighth year. I don't know how you get pneumonia, but

747
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: I got pneumonia. I was in Jersey, not feeling well.

748
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: It was a game before the All Star break. I'm

749
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: playing a game against the Nets, and I am exhausted

750
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: and can't. I mean, it's just awful. So sleep that night,

751
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: really don't sleep. Everybody goes their own ways because it's

752
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: All Star break. I get on a plane, get a blanket,

753
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: go back to Miami and go to bed. My wife

754
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: and I can't breathe can't. She gets me to the

755
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: hospital the next day and I've got pneumonia. I don't

756
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: know what the hell it was, but your luans are

757
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: full of fluid. I didn't play the rest of year.

758
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let me in the gym. So that was

759
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: that year. So what I did to get my lungs better.

760
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: I trained, I got a buddy's, got a house in Bail, Colorado,

761
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: went to Veil for two months and just ran in

762
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: the hills. So now I got my lungs back. Go

763
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: back for my ninth year, having issues with my neck.

764
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: Played some games. I think it was the Celtics, maybe

765
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: a game I don't know ten leven. I'm gonna come

766
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: off for down three and Michael hits me in my shoulders.

767
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: My neck goes back. I'm numb, like I'm numb. They

768
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: could have thrown the ball shift it hit me. I'm numb.

769
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: Tell the trainer, and trainer goes you, I've been watching

770
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: you last two weeks. You got heat on your you know,

771
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: I go take X rays. I got two discs that

772
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: are jacked up, so next her. So I sat that

773
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: whole year in a neck brace. For nowadays you have

774
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: to wear a neck brace. Back then you were for

775
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: about eight weeks, twenty four hours a day the heat.

776
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: That was the first year the heat made the playoffs

777
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: and I got to dress for the playoffs and I

778
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: think I got in one minute, but I was not

779
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: my neck. Wasn't you lose a little bit? And in

780
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: the tenth year, I was going back with ten and

781
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 1: I kind of decided with my doctor that maybe nine

782
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: is good like it wasn't. If you lose a little bit,

783
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: that's a lot at that level. And I couldn't quite

784
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: see what I wanted to see. And every time I

785
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: got hit, it was kind of like get my bell

786
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: wrung because what goes from here to your body all

787
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: goes through this channel. And it was just so. About

788
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: three weeks before I told my wife and said, I

789
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 1: think I'm done. I think I'm done. And now whether

790
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: in my mind I thought I'm gonna beat them from

791
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: cutting me or you know, I don't know what I

792
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: was thinking, but I thought at the time, you know what, Uh,

793
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: every year in camp was harder because there were more

794
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: six four dudes and six five dudes that were a

795
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: camp and you know, it's just another battle. But uh, yeah,

796
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: so the last two years weren't's fun. But you know,

797
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: your body is your body. You try to survive, but

798
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: it's tough when when you officially like walked away, right. Yeah,

799
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: I was feeling like that was weird. The heat. The

800
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: heat offered me. Do you want to be in coaching

801
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: or in the front office? Um. My wife was pregnant.

802
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: It was in the fall of ninety two with our

803
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: first child. We lived in Coral Gables, close to University

804
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: of Miami. I liked it, but again we were both

805
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: Midwest people. My wife from the southeast corner of Missouri

806
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: called the Booth Hill not far from Memphis. I said, okay,

807
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: boy or girl we have Can you let them ride

808
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: their bike down to that park just to block away

809
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: from where we live? She was not not here, like

810
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: it's different. I said, okay, then we'd have to move

811
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: up somewhere in a gated community and all that. And

812
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: I had already had my license and investment business kind

813
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: of thought. I mean, it was nothing I knew much about,

814
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: except I thought it was pretty cool Wall Street Man

815
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: and my dad didn't have any money. We have money,

816
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: but I kind of always thought, I don't even know

817
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: what it is. So I told my wife I was licensed.

818
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: I said, let's go back to Missouri. We have a condo,

819
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: and then we'll figure out what we'll do. And like

820
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: any athlete, I came back home. I worked at an

821
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: investment firm. I'm doing radio for Missouri. But on those

822
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: quiet nights with my wife's sleeping, there were times I

823
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: would go to the old field House on the campus

824
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: of Missouri. You know that's open for students, and I

825
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: was shooting and I was running, thinking I could still

826
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: do I could still go do this right, this is

827
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: what I do. And you don't. You don't get it

828
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: out of your head until at some point you just

829
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: say what are you doing right? You can't. This isn't

830
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do. But it doesn't. It doesn't leave

831
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: you because when you're when you're when you're gone from that,

832
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: you're going from that locker room. You're going from all

833
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: those things that you liked, besides the competition, the guys

834
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: in that room, right, the guys that go to battle

835
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: and in the NBA it's not as tight as college,

836
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: but it is because you you understand each other that

837
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: tomorrow that guy's traded, right, I mean, it's the it's

838
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: the hardest business. And so you missed that stuff. And

839
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: when you miss that stuff, you think, should I go

840
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: back and try it? Aget? Could I still go do

841
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: what I did? And I could have. My legs were

842
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: still fine, but at some point I just was like, Okay,

843
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: now I'm done. So then it was on to the

844
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: next thing. What do I do? And it was you know,

845
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: doing the radio for Missouri was fine, but I didn't

846
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: really like doing one team. I didn't like doing the

847
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: same team every night. Like, I'm not a fanatic, So

848
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: I don't blame the referees for losing a game. If

849
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: it's my team, right, Missouri's my team. You know, hey,

850
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: you lost, you lost, Let's go home, all right. And

851
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: so I was curious. It wasn't me that got me

852
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: into TV jokes. Stig Leon got me into TV. Joe

853
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: was assistinat at Missouri. Joe came and yeah, there was

854
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 1: probably five TV games that Missouri did on Missouri package.

855
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: He said, hey, I want you to do these TV games.

856
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: And I've already called Ray Calm and told them you

857
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: should do some Big twelve or Big eight games. I said, really,

858
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: He goes, no, no, really, he said, you go do

859
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: these Missouri games. I'm gonna I'm gonna take the tape.

860
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm Senator Ray Calm. I think they'll call you. So

861
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: that's how I got into that. As far as you know,

862
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: doing games, best player you ever saw play an NBA game,

863
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: they're gonna play. Yes, my size or any size. Just

864
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm just it's a very open question. You can. So

865
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: here's how I mean. I came into probably the greatest

866
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: era of basketball. Uh three, it's the it's it's the

867
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: it's the perfect level of magic. And Burke right never

868
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: see anything like it. Watched them at their best, played

869
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: against them when they had games that I shook my

870
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: head I shook my head at because everybody's at this

871
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: level and the great ones just moving a notch up.

872
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: But I also played. Kareem was in l A. Dr

873
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: J was in Philly and in his career but still

874
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: Dr Ju. When he said when he introduced himself to

875
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: me and he knew my name was John and he

876
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: introduced himself as Julius. Again no cell phones, but I

877
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: I want to go, holy sh it, like he knows

878
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: who I So, I mean, so I would say this

879
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 1: if you gave me a player. And again I played

880
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: against Michael in college, was on the Playball American team

881
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: with him. Got to know him. Michael's Michael. But if

882
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: you someone called the other day said who would you

883
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: take Michael o'bron, I said, if you gave me a pick,

884
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: give me a pick. I'm taking Magic Johnson. If you

885
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: give me a pick and then you know, then we'll

886
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: pick the other four. Give me Magic because I've never

887
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: seen anything like what he could do at whatever position.

888
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: People for Gutty played center when they won the World Championship.

889
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: When Kareem got hurt, he had forty two points in

890
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: the post. You I also you know I also played

891
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: when Bird would come to San Antonio and just talk

892
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: trash that you didn't know he was talking. I knew

893
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: he was talking because I'm on the court. And then

894
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: when you come out. We had Don Booze was our

895
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: assistant coach, and Don Boozy played thirteen years A B

896
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: A N B. A. Boozy's from Indiana. He's a buddy

897
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: of birds. I'd come out, I'd sitting sitting next to

898
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: Boozy on the bench, and Bird would come down the

899
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 1: court and say, hey, boom off the glass for all net.

900
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: Now our coach conference Simmons would be up aways, couldn't

901
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: hear him, and Boom would put his off the glass.

902
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: And again, I'm twenty five years old sitting there. Bourd

903
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: would catch it. Boom boom off the glass. Net wink

904
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: over at him. No, I mean, I think the guys

905
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: at that level. But okay, let's go back. I was

906
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: in Seattle when Bernard King gave this uh Portland trailblazerste

907
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 1: one night and fifty the next night to us. Couldn't

908
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: No one could guard him. I saw much Seattle before

909
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: he heard his knees undersized post. Who's that? You know what?

910
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: He could play anywhere? He didn't shoot it very deep,

911
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: but he could. He could. He hit the release was

912
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: so fast it was a turnaround. So there were so

913
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: many guys, but okay, I'll go back. Who was the

914
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: toughest guy I would have to fi guard outside of

915
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: being matched up, like if I was on Buddy, I

916
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: got switched on magic. Isaiah Thomas was the best. Isaiah

917
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: was the best at my size. And Isaiah could do

918
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: things with the ball that were just magical, like he'd

919
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: come down and he might figure eight the damn ball

920
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: in front of you. And the only hope I had

921
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: Doug was if he made a move and then he

922
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: spun back to me right like he made a move,

923
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: spun back to me, and I'm like, God, I'm really

924
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: good now and not really but but uh, here's a

925
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: good story. I went to University of Iowa basketball camp

926
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: ninth grade. My high school coach had just moved from

927
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: Iowa or the varsity coach is gonna be so he

928
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: takes me up to Iowa. Lude Olson and they're from Chicago,

929
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: was his baby faced Isaiah Thomas. Right. So in camp,

930
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: here's Isaiah and Kenny Arnold who played at i all

931
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: these Chicago kids. I left that camp and went back home,

932
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: and I thought there must be a thousand Isaiah Thomas

933
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: like my My whole world changed by the thought of

934
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,479
Speaker 1: how much I better practice to be good. Now there's

935
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: only one, but I thought there were thousands. I thought,

936
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: God and I am so far behind the dudes of

937
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: my neighborhood. Aren't like these dudes. And what I started

938
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: doing when I got my license to drive, from like

939
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: Blue Springs is thirty miles into Kansas City, I would

940
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: drive and go play in the playgrounds in summer. My

941
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: other buddies are playing baseball. I drove into playing the

942
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: playgrounds because in my mind all the way up till

943
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: ever was there's a thousand Isaiah Thomas is out there,

944
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: only one, but he was the best. Just it. It's saying, Okay,

945
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: you gotta guard him too hard. Best pro coach here

946
00:48:55,640 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: in playot or they're also different, Uh you know, Lenny

947
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: Lenny was. Lenny Wilkins was probably good for me. I

948
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: wish you'd probably been tougher so that I understood it more.

949
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: I like playing Cotton Fitz Simmons was terrific for me.

950
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: Bobby Weiss was the best for me because of the

951
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: yeah from the passing game, and I played with artists. Gillmore,

952
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: Mike Mitchell was an All Star. Alvin Robertson, the Arkansas

953
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: player was an All Star. Uh, we were we were good,

954
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: but we missed at one point. We missed the center.

955
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: But he was over at the naval A can like

956
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: if you had him. Anyway, when I left, What's funny

957
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: is when I left there, Larry Brown took over, and

958
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: Larry tried to get me back to San Antonio from

959
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: Miami because they missed that piece. But anyway, Uh, you know,

960
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: all the coaches are different, the NBA is different. It's

961
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: just different. It's uh, you're all in the same group.

962
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: And for the most part, the players feel it when

963
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: a coach gets fired because you fired him, right, coach

964
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: gets fired. That's what college kids don't understand. And I've

965
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: said that to other groups of college kids and like, hey,

966
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: we've got a new coach. I said, yeah, you just

967
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: lost the last guy's job. So you guys aren't that good.

968
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: You know, new guys coming in. He's gonna ship you

969
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: out of here somehow. But that's I think that's the

970
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: challenge and the challenge when you're trying to have a

971
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: career at it is how do you figure out how

972
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: to play or how to survive? And most guys in

973
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: training camp I thought, Doug that they cut themselves, tried

974
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: to do something they weren't. You know, if a kid

975
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: was in training camp from Villanova and he's known as

976
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: a good default guard and about the first week of

977
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: camp he's shown him he's trying to be Michael Jordan's.

978
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: I mean I could, I'd sit there and think, Okay,

979
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna be gone. He's gone. You know, do what

980
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: you do and do it well. Brothers do what they do.

981
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: Amateurs trying to prove what they can't do. They can

982
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: do and and and rue and you gotta elevate you.

983
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: You gotta keep working on what Yes, it was, But

984
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: there was no difference in the way I shot the ball.

985
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: Every year I was better, Like I was better every year,

986
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: range was better. Every sport is about accuracy, no matter

987
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: what the sports about accuracy. And then it's about how

988
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: fast can you do that at an accurate level? Right now?

989
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: Some people aren't as athletic to do it at a

990
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: higher level. But if I could make a shot, then

991
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: how fast can I make the shot? How fast? And

992
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: my foot how how fast are my feet moving? What's

993
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: the footwork? And how quick sur release from my waist

994
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: to the shot? How fast is that? Can I do

995
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: it with a hand in my face or hands down?

996
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's and I think most pros I played with,

997
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: not all, but most pros were driven that way, like

998
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: you don't have to make anybody do anything, and all

999
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 1: you have to do in the summer was trying how

1000
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: do I make my game better? And for me it

1001
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: was probably more defensively. I did just get better defensively.

1002
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: That was tough, all right. Last thing as a guy

1003
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: who was a great shooter, Um, when you watch Steph Curry,

1004
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: because the thing that amazed me about Curry it's not

1005
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: as much the range. The range is incredible, but that

1006
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: does feel like a natural evolution. It's a different type

1007
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: of shot, yes, um, but it's he told me something

1008
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: a long time ago, which is interesting. He's like, you know, people,

1009
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: I want to compare my era with other eras, Like

1010
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: I've never walked onto a basketfloor that didn't have a

1011
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: three point line. It's like what people have to understand.

1012
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: It is like all those other guys. So, in addition

1013
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: to the coaches, not necessarily embracing the value three point

1014
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: shot like players themselves, like we were all taught very

1015
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: different game. The spacing is different, the movements different or whatever.

1016
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: But what the other part, the release time is incredible

1017
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: at that range and that accuracy and then not just

1018
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: catching catching shoot incredibly quick going right and going left right,

1019
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: Like everybody remember Sedale three, Like Sedale three was with

1020
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: it that when Magic had to retire, Sedale was like

1021
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: their point guard and it was if you put it,

1022
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: he went left. It was in, yeah, you went right,

1023
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: catch shoot in going left. This guy goes left and right.

1024
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,479
Speaker 1: But at the end, that's as a guy who wasn't

1025
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: a good shooter, as a great shooter. When you watch him,

1026
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: what do you see? What? What? What goes through your well?

1027
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: The first thing, I mean the ability to make shots

1028
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: or freakish from the range. Now again that's evolution, but

1029
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: it's also he changed how guys shoot it a little bit,

1030
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: uh kind of twist. It's it's a push shot. You

1031
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: kind of push it right. Not a guy who has

1032
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: the old traditional jump shot would be Devin Booker jumps

1033
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: up shoots it. That's kind of what our generation was.

1034
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: Jump up shooting. Uh, curries is more all the way

1035
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 1: up quicker right, it's not at the peak of his jump,

1036
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: and other guys have mimicked and copied that. And again

1037
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: you have better range because you're you're not jumping and

1038
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: shooting at the top of the jump. So but it's freakish.

1039
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: And how accurate again, right or left, it doesn't matter

1040
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: off the dribble, off the pass, how quick the releases.

1041
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: But it goes back to how accurate. And then again

1042
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: the evolution is how fast can you be accurate? And

1043
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: it's and say, guys in my era or his dad Dell,

1044
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 1: you can catch it and release it so fast. All

1045
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: of us could do that, like you could just get

1046
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: rid of it. There was no space. I mean I

1047
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: never worried about a space a guy dealing. I mean,

1048
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: if a guy was in front of me, I was

1049
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: gonna I had no problem because his hand probably wasn't

1050
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:21,919
Speaker 1: gonna get the ball. The only one I worried about

1051
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: it if you went up to shoot it and the

1052
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: guy went beside you, I didn't know where he was, right,

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00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know where the ant was, and I would

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Speaker 1: and because of that I used to go to the

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Speaker 1: side of shooters, like if you're trailing someone's gonna shoot

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00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: the jump shot. I'd go to the side because you

1057
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: didn't know whether if he's in front of me, I

1058
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: don't I gotta shoot it higher whatever. I can shoot

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Speaker 1: it around this. But the guy that went to the

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00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: side of you, I'm now you're thinking, is he is

1061
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: he blocking it from it? I mean the nemesis for

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00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: a guy like me would be like a Michael Cooper

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Speaker 1: played for the Liers. Right six six long gave me space,

1064
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: but he knew he could get to that space, right.

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00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: I knew when when came in the game and he

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Speaker 1: saw me, I'm like, yes, I'm a bit here. You

1067
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: get a switch here. Switch. He's not taking like a playoff, right,

1068
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: he's he's in to play defense. And you'd rather have

1069
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: like George Gurban would come in and George is gonna say, like,

1070
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Speaker 1: you'd make a shot on Gurban and he'd giggle and say,

1071
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: man has a good shot, and then you'd go down

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Speaker 1: the other end and score, and then leave you open

1073
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: and you'd score. You know, those games were like one

1074
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: forty two to one thirty coach coach Brother in law ball.

1075
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: You guys playing brother in law ball and let each

1076
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: other score and you know, but if a defender, can

1077
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: you know Michael Cooper came in and went here we

1078
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: go like, I gotta figure out to run him off

1079
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Speaker 1: a screen or do something because he's he gave you nothing,

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Speaker 1: like gave you Nothing's been awesome with your time. I

1081
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: want to schedule one. I want to talk more about

1082
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: the financial aspect of it, and then I want to

1083
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: talk about broadcasting and that that entire journey because I

1084
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: think you know I've I've told you I'll always appreciated

1085
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: what you've done, you more so now doing it and

1086
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: taking bits a piece of how you've done it. But

1087
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: I want to kind of tease that I want to

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00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: give anything that away. Um, let's let's do that again soon.

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Speaker 1: But thank you so much for your time. Hey, have

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00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: a good one. Where are you going this week? Uh?

1091
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Speaker 1: Texas Texas Tech? Oh my god, Oh my god, that'll

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Speaker 1: be great. Hey great, I'm doing radio flo it but

1093
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: it's awesome. Um. And then I got Santa Clara. I

1094
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: think it's Santa Clara, San Francisco. And then I'm taking

1095
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Speaker 1: my son and our team to still Water this weekend.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna practice Friday night, We're gonna go to bedlam

1097
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: and then we're playing in a tournament in Norman. So

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Speaker 1: get him, give him a kind of look of what

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00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: it what it feels like, what it tastes like. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty cool, that's pretty cool. We have fun. Hey, be

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Speaker 1: safe when you travel. Holler me anytime. We'll do it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. All right, that's Part two with

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Speaker 1: John sun Bold. In the meantime, remember to listen to

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Speaker 1: Doug out the Show three to six Eastern time on

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio or the I Heart Radio app. I'm

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Speaker 1: Doug leave In. This is all bol