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Speaker 1: This is what happens when the fourth Turning meets fifth

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Speaker 1: generation warfare.

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Speaker 2: A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran.

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Speaker 3: This is Human Events with your host Jack Posovic.

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Speaker 4: Christ Is Kay thee for liftoff at the Kennedy Space Center.

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Speaker 5: The Artemis two crew now in countdown.

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Speaker 4: Mode, a mission that then paves the way for a

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Speaker 6: The Supreme Court has struck down Colorado's ban on conversion therapy.

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Speaker 7: That therapy includes efforts to change an individual's sexual orientation

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Speaker 7: or gender identity during talk therapy.

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Speaker 1: Artist Ian Goodreau breaking the news to NBC ten Monday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: the Irene a Zerrootzkam mural is coming down.

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Speaker 6: As the war in Iran continues. The US State Department

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Speaker 6: has updated travel warnings for Americans abroad. Several countries in

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Speaker 6: the region have been upgraded to higher risk levels, including

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Speaker 8: Emergency responders in Haifa assessed the damage on Monday after

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Speaker 8: Iran fired waves of missiles at Israel. The Israeli military

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Speaker 8: said two drones from Yemen had also been intercepted, and

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Speaker 8: that Lebanon's HESBLA had fired rockets at Israel as well.

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Speaker 8: The attacks came as a defiant Tehran called US peace

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Speaker 9: President Trump issued a ten day pause to postpone planned

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Speaker 9: strikes on Iranian power plants and energy infrastructure. This remains

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Speaker 9: a truly once in a generation opportunity for the regime

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Speaker 9: leading state sponsor of terrorism.

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Speaker 10: Now, he said, four to six weeks, six to eight weeks, three,

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Speaker 10: It could be any particular number, but we would never

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Speaker 10: reveal precisely what it is because our goal is to

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Speaker 4: Sident Trump issuing a new ultimatum to European countries about

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Speaker 4: the Strait of Horne moves. President Trump taking to true

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Speaker 4: social to say, quote, all of those countries that can't

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Speaker 4: like the United Kingdom which refused to get involved in

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Speaker 4: the decapitation of Iran, I have a suggestion for you.

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Speaker 4: Number one, by from the US, we have plenty and

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Speaker 4: number two build up some delayed courage. Go to the

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Speaker 4: strait and just take it. You have to start learning

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Speaker 4: how to fight for yourself. The USA won't be there

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Speaker 4: to help you anymore, just like you weren't there for us.

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Speaker 4: The President goes on to say, Iran has been essentially decimated.

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Speaker 4: The hard part is done. Go get your own oil.

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Speaker 1: Lady John, Welcome on board today's edition of the Human

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Speaker 1: Events Daily. Today is March thirty first, twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: Anno Dominid. We have breaking news coming to you right

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Speaker 1: now from the streets of Baghdad, of all places, where

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Speaker 1: a female American journalist, Shelley Kittlesen, has just been abducted

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Speaker 1: Of course, we here have been at Human Events daily,

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Speaker 1: But this breaking news, female American journalist kidnapped on the

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Speaker 1: So uh news broke last night a very misleading daily

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Speaker 5: The murder of Charlie Kirk. Human Events Daily continues.

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Speaker 11: Well day you talk about influencers, these are influences and.

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Speaker 3: They're friends and mine.

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Speaker 11: Jack Jack's break down.

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Speaker 5: All right, folks, Jack prospic.

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Speaker 1: on with Libby Emmons, and we've been talking about how

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Speaker 5: It's a stunning development, to be.

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Speaker 1: Sure, But Libby, I also want to ask you about

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Speaker 12: people in his home. He was growing mold in the kitchen,

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Speaker 12: doing really discussing things, taking over the whole space.

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Speaker 3: So you wonder if Twigs even noticed.

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Speaker 12: What was going on with Robinson, or if he was

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Speaker 12: entirely absorbed in himself.

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of drug.

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Speaker 12: Use, which certainly leads to introspection rather than it does

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Speaker 12: to pay attention to the people.

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Speaker 3: Around you, So that could certainly be part of it

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 12: And you know, I mean, if we really want to

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Speaker 12: let our imaginations run wild, we could imagine that Robinson

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Speaker 12: was wanting more attention from Twigs and was perhaps undertaking

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Speaker 12: these acts looking for Twigs to pay attention to him,

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Speaker 12: to you know, acknowledge him, to become interested in what

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Speaker 12: he was doing and what was going on in his life.

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Speaker 3: So that could be part of it as well.

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Speaker 1: There's so much of this and the stakes couldn't be higher,

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Speaker 1: and so we are going to get I'm sure, by

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Speaker 1: the way, at least the preliminary hearing that what we're

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Speaker 1: going to see is the questioning of the specifics of

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Speaker 1: the identification process, the specifics of everything that's in that

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Speaker 1: charging document. Were these text messages sent by you were

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Speaker 1: you know, was this the image that you use to

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Speaker 1: identify your son? Was this the image that you used

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Speaker 1: to identify the rifle? That that kind of thing will

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Speaker 1: be perfunctory, But of course, because it is a hearing,

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Speaker 1: then Tyler Robinson's legal team will have the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: cross examine as well, which actually sort of puts Twigs

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Speaker 1: and the defense in an interesting perspective spot when it

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Speaker 1: comes to Twigs, because you know, the defense is now

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Speaker 1: going to be in a spot where they have to

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Speaker 1: say at Twigs somehow didn't know that it was going on,

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Speaker 1: but also that their client is innocent, and it just

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Speaker 1: creates a very interesting situation for them because what, you know,

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Speaker 1: what are they going to do try to impeach the

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Speaker 1: witness who again was the you know, you just don't

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Speaker 1: usually get a witness that's so close to a perpetrator

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Speaker 1: because of marriage laws or something like this.

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Speaker 5: You do get exes, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: So this is going to be a very very impactful

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Speaker 1: hearing when it does take place, Lance Twigs and the

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Speaker 1: parents of Tyler Robinson taking the stand to testify against him.

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Speaker 5: Leby Emmons. Where can be able to go get your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just did a podcast with Jack.

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Speaker 12: You can check it out at the potmillennial dot com

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Speaker 10: Jack?

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Speaker 1: Great job, Jack, Thank you, what a job you do.

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Speaker 1: of this going on, We've got these communists that are

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Speaker 1: on trial now, one of which will be testifying, one

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Speaker 1: of which will be on the you know, on behind

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Speaker 1: the defense state.

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Speaker 5: We don't know if he's actually going to take the

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Speaker 5: stand yet, but.

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Speaker 1: Lance Twigs Tyler Robinson, So of course I had to

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Speaker 1: get on my favorite anti communist, Avida Duffy to come

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Speaker 1: in on this vita.

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Speaker 5: How are you good?

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Speaker 7: Thanks for having me, Jack.

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Speaker 1: So Avida, I know there's a lot making the rounds,

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Speaker 1: but I think the buried lead in this new filing

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Speaker 1: from Tyler Robinson's defense team is that it says right

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Speaker 1: here that prosecutors intend to call Robinson's parents and his

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Speaker 1: roommate and romantic partner, Lance Twiggs to testify at the

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Speaker 1: preliminary hearing.

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Speaker 5: Avida, you know you're always out there.

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Speaker 1: Kind of monitoring what's going on online, social media, the

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Speaker 1: chatter TikTok. How much of an impact do you think

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Speaker 1: it will have if the parents of Tyler rittenhouse them

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Speaker 1: excuse me, Tyler Robinson themselves as well as his own.

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Speaker 5: I would assume.

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Speaker 1: Former boyfriend, former lover at this point are in court

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Speaker 1: testifying against him.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's a huge deal, Jack, and I mean, let's

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Speaker 7: be honest about what's circulating online right now. It's that

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Speaker 7: Tyler Robinson is a patsy and that there's somebody else

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Speaker 7: behind the scenes who was actually the who's actually the

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Speaker 7: Charlie Kirk murderer. Maybe he was put up to it

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Speaker 7: by the boyfriend. Like having his parents and his furry

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Speaker 7: boyfriend testify against him is is a big deal. I

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Speaker 7: guess in the conspiracy theory world. And yeah, I think

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Speaker 7: that it's it's going to be a big deal. I

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Speaker 7: think that we have cameras in the in the courtroom

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Speaker 7: present as well, Jack, because I know you were upset

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Speaker 7: about this as well as I was, that we were

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Speaker 7: at first not going to be able to have full

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Speaker 7: transparency into this case. Now we will. We need that

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Speaker 7: because Charlie Kirk had such a huge impact on my generation,

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Speaker 7: on the entire country, and we need the truth to

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Speaker 7: come out and we need we need, we need to

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Speaker 7: have real clarity because otherwise we just leave it to

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Speaker 7: lots of different conspiracies and people who you know, are

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Speaker 7: spreading I think a lot of confusion.

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Speaker 5: No, I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: And I think the Daily Mail headline that came out

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Speaker 1: yesterday regarding this case was very much a clickbait headline

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Speaker 1: and it's something where and I'll just say it right

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Speaker 1: that the true crime community does stuff like this all

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Speaker 1: the time. And anyone who's been listening to Human Events

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Speaker 1: daily for any period of time knows that I've called

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Speaker 1: the true crime community consistently a cancer on society and

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Speaker 1: they are completely reprehensible.

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Speaker 5: They work with complete frauds like.

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Speaker 1: The Innocence Project, and they use these types of tactics

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Speaker 1: all the time. They will just run with anything that

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Speaker 1: the defense says, any claim, any accusation must be true,

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Speaker 1: and any piece of evidence must be false because it's

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Speaker 1: being presented by the prosecution. You see this over and

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Speaker 1: over in these true crime cases that these podcasters in

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Speaker 1: the true crime community always bring up. I think of

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Speaker 1: The New York Times doing this. I think of Netflix

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Speaker 1: doing this in the Making of a Murderer over and

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Speaker 1: over and over, and it's just always fake. It's just

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Speaker 1: always fake. It never holds up. And that's exactly what

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Speaker 1: the Daily Mail did yesterday and talking about an inconclusive

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Speaker 1: case and then shaping a headline to make it look

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Speaker 1: like something else was being said.

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Speaker 5: And this is a huge problem.

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Speaker 1: This is a huge problem for us if we want

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Speaker 1: to have actual true in our society, because you get

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Speaker 1: these half truths, you get these myth truths that are

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Speaker 1: spread out.

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Speaker 5: You see the same thing with Derek Chauvin, George Floyd.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you could go down the list of all

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Speaker 1: the different cases that people lie about. And again, we

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Speaker 1: have here at Human Events Daily been very consistent about

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Speaker 1: what the truth was. And perhaps I said Writtenhouse a

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Speaker 1: minute ago, And that's because I was thinking about another

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Speaker 1: case where there were so many lies rather than the

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Speaker 1: actual truth.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And I'm always like, I love people who you

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Speaker 7: know are actually true seekers who will go out and

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Speaker 7: do the work that sometimes you know, law enforcement isn't

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Speaker 7: willing to do or is it capable of doing. But

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Speaker 7: there's also something sick about the true true crime community,

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Speaker 7: Jack that cannot be denied. Making a murderer is a

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Speaker 7: great example what happened with the four college students a

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Speaker 7: few years ago with Brian Coberger. I mean, the intrigue

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Speaker 7: around it. There's almost something kind of disturbing about people's

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Speaker 7: fascination with the case and then concocting these theories that

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Speaker 7: are completely based outside of reality, just for I think

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Speaker 7: the sheer joy of concocting it. That it's it's unhelpful

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Speaker 7: and it doesn't it doesn't make uh, it doesn't help

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Speaker 7: the truth come out, It doesn't make anything better. So

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Speaker 7: I guess I think this is just so important that

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Speaker 7: we have transparency, uh in this case. So I agree.

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Speaker 1: You know there, by the way, do you know there

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Speaker 1: are people who in the true crime community who still

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Speaker 1: push the notion that Brian Coburger is actually innocent. And

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Speaker 1: you may not know about this, but there is a

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Speaker 1: name for them. They are called the pro Burgers. So

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Speaker 1: the pro Burgers are people who actually believe that Brian Colberg,

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Speaker 1: despite the evidence and despite the plea, actually believe that

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Speaker 1: he was he was set up, that there was you know,

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Speaker 1: some conspiracy, and in fact, there was a there's a

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Speaker 1: woman I should have pulled it up. There's a girl

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Speaker 1: on TikTok who was saying that some local college professor

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Speaker 1: was actually behind the entire thing. The professor sues the

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Speaker 1: individual on TikTok and want a pretty big settlement in

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Speaker 1: a defamation case against this because again, this person had

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Speaker 1: just no complicity whatsoever. And here was somebody on TikTok

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Speaker 1: using this case for clicks and using this person's name

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Speaker 1: and accusing them of a crime in order to you know,

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Speaker 1: just burnish their their profile. So again, for people who

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Speaker 1: have not been following that case and the way the

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Speaker 1: true crime community and some of the I would say

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Speaker 1: negative elements and toxic elements of it have locked on,

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Speaker 1: go and look up the pro Burgers.

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Speaker 5: Yes, the pro Burgers.

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Speaker 7: Jack there was I think it was actually a couple

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Speaker 7: of years ago that a movie studio bought the rights

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Speaker 7: to the story of these college students murder and this

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Speaker 7: Brian Coburger story, which I think tells you a lot

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Speaker 7: about like where we are in the true crime community.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: It's not just individuals, but they're like, there's like a

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Speaker 7: whole industry behind this where people make a lot of money.

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Speaker 7: I just think I just think reveling in like the

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Speaker 7: sickness of the details, I don't know. It kind of

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Speaker 7: reminds me of when the Catholic Church talks about like

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Speaker 7: exorcisms and sort of this dark side of the spiritual world,

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Speaker 7: and you're supposed to know that it exists, but you

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Speaker 7: aren't supposed to want to have this sort of sick

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Speaker 7: love and fascination for it. You're supposed to actually not

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Speaker 7: want to dig into it too deeply. That's kind of

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Speaker 7: how I feel about some of these true crime things,

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Speaker 7: because it just leads you down a terrible rabbit hole.

663
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Speaker 7: I think women especially get to be hooked onto it

664
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Speaker 7: more than men. Right, how many husbands and boyfriends out

665
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Speaker 7: there are like I can't believe that she's listening to

666
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 7: these you know, crazy podcasts or like true crime documentaries

667
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 7: and it is kind of I think a sick fascination

668
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Speaker 7: that is not helpful or good for your soul.

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Speaker 1: Well, I agree with you that I don't think it's

670
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Speaker 1: good for the soul. And you know, at the same time,

671
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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with people. I would say

672
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: following cases. You know, that's one thing, and of course

673
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: we live in a society and where we should do this.

674
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: This is also something where, by the way, I think

675
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: that a lot of people. I'm very critical of the

676
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: mainstream entertainment media as well, because when you watch there's

677
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Speaker 1: all these cop shows on TV, you know, broadcast TV

678
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: or on streaming TV, and they just lit, they're all

679
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: just lives. They're all just complete lives about violence and

680
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: murder in America, and they have been for years. So

681
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: if you go back to like murder she wrote right

682
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: with Angela Lansbury, it's this idea that like, oh yeah,

683
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: she's in this like scenic New England town, or there's

684
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: a murder every week and it's like someone in the community.

685
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Speaker 5: It's just no, that's just not true. That's just not

686
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Speaker 5: true at all.

687
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: The vast majority of violence in this country and homicide

688
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: in this country is perpetuated in the inner city, and

689
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: it is inner city gang on gang violence over and

690
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: over and over, and in schools as well. So you

691
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: see this constantly, and yet where is this depicted on TV?

692
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 5: Never? It is never once shown.

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Speaker 1: We're told that there's this like epidemic of white collar

694
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Speaker 1: homicide that exists only in television.

695
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Speaker 5: And so that's what people believe the world is like.

696
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: But if you actually just look at like local news

697
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: or find out what's going on from your you know,

698
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: basically just follow your local police. That's what I do,

699
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: and you can see what the crime is like and

700
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Speaker 1: it ain't anything like what you see on TV.

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Speaker 7: Well and Jack, I mean, I mean to that to

702
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 7: that point. You know, it's it's it's always a balance.

703
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 7: There is taking it too far, there is reveling in it.

704
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 7: There's a sick fascination. There's also I think asking legitimate questions.

705
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 7: I think a question that I've even asked you off

706
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 7: off offline. You know, can this weapon have actually done

707
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,959
Speaker 7: the damage that it did to Charlie Kirk? Some people

708
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 7: are saying that it will, you know, the kind of

709
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 7: weapon that killed him would have blown his head off.

710
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 7: Is that true? Like these are the kind of things

711
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Speaker 7: that I could like to see answer.

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Speaker 1: We're coming on a break, so I don't want to

713
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Speaker 1: feel like I'm cutting that off. Totally fine with everyone

714
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: asking questions, Totally fine. But what I do have a

715
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: problem with is people coming to conclusions rather than actually

716
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: asking questions in good faith.

717
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 5: Jack Pisova, if you Duffy right back.

718
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 4: The Jack Pasobic Appreciation Hour, I can say confidently I

719
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 4: believe I think Josh Shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee.

720
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Speaker 5: It wasn't for Jack Pisoba. And that is I'm because,

721
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 5: all right.

722
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Speaker 1: Jack Pisoba, careback live with the Vita, Duffy and Avida.

723
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Speaker 1: You were asking a question right before we got caught

724
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: off by the break, and it would be clear about

725
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: that we're cut off by the break regarding the lack

726
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: of an exit wound in Charlie's murder.

727
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 5: And this has been a question that's coming.

728
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: Up since day one, people saying, hey, there's this, there's this,

729
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: these videos floating around of Charlie. We don't see the

730
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Speaker 1: exit wound. You know, what's what's going on with that?

731
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: And that's basically what you're asking, right.

732
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Speaker 7: Thirty odd six would never have the type of wound

733
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Speaker 7: that we see on Charlie in the video. Afterwards, they

734
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Speaker 7: have been all these people with these YouTube videos doing

735
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Speaker 7: tests where you see a dummy and the dummy just explodes,

736
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Speaker 7: and so that's created I think a lot of confusion

737
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 7: and questions. And yeah, I would love you, Jack, you

738
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 7: had an interesting thing to say in the break, so

739
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Speaker 7: I'd love for you to take it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we're just chatting about it, and I'll you know,

741
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: this has been out publicly for you know, go back

742
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: at the time, and there was a report that came

743
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: out regarding the surgeon who operated on Charlie.

744
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 5: And I would love, by the way, for the.

745
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: Actual autopsy to be released, so that people could see

746
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: this information and believe that it will be released at

747
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: the time of the preliminary hearing, which, of course, by

748
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: the way, this is what the defense team is trying

749
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: to push back the release of this evidence. But Charlie's

750
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: autopsy that we were told by the surgeon who conducted

751
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: the autopsy that the bullet hit Charlie at a downward angle.

752
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: So remember Charlie sitting at the bottom of this amphitheater

753
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: and the shooter is at you know, it's on top

754
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: of the building, so it's fired a down angle. Most

755
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Speaker 1: of the YouTube videos that you were just referencing don't

756
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Speaker 1: portray this at all. They show a horizontal they show

757
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Speaker 1: a horizontal depiction like on a range, But that's not

758
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Speaker 1: exactly what was happening at all.

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00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 5: It isn't even a little bit what was happening. That's

760
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Speaker 5: not even close to the actual situation.

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Speaker 1: Plus they're not using they're using like ballistics, gel and

762
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Speaker 1: things like this that simply do not approximate what happens

763
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Speaker 1: when you fire a round into a human being. They're

764
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Speaker 1: just they're just fundamentally different in many cases and for

765
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Speaker 1: many many reasons. And so it's the downward trajectory plus

766
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Speaker 1: the shattering of the bullet. So if you look at

767
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Speaker 1: the defense filing that came out on I guess Friday,

768
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Speaker 1: and then people are now digging into it, it says

769
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Speaker 1: that the bullet fragmented. That is the exact reason for

770
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Speaker 1: the lack of an exit wound on Charlie's body, because

771
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: the bullet fragments hits his colarbone fragments and then add

772
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Speaker 1: a downward trajectory. So these fragmented pieces end up just

773
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Speaker 1: doing what they're.

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00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 5: Designed to do.

775
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: And shred the insides of Charlie's organs, his chest cavity,

776
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Speaker 1: and that is where they remained, and that is how

777
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: we're told.

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Speaker 5: I think it's one. It's it's a.

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Speaker 1: Bullet jacket fragments that they were trying to match with

780
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Speaker 1: the austriations of the of the barrel, but they weren't

781
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Speaker 1: able to because it was just it was just too

782
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: small of a piece. So now what they're moving to

783
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Speaker 1: for the ATF they're trying to see I think it's

784
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: ATF and n FBI are trying to see if they

785
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: can match using metallurgy to match the specifics of the

786
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: of the chemical and metal metal composition of the bullet

787
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: fragment found in Charlie with the bullet casings and bullets

788
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: that were that were left separate. So again that's the

789
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: information that I have on that, and that was always

790
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: the explanation that I was given on on why that happened.

791
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Speaker 1: And also that this isn't the and also by the way,

792
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: this isn't the first time that this has happened. This

793
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: is something that happens with high velocity rounds, with rifle rounds.

794
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Speaker 1: It's actually interesting enough, it's it's actually the same thing

795
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: that happened to Martin Luther King.

796
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Speaker 5: When Martin Luther King was shot, there was no exitly

797
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 5: then it was a thirty out six.

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Speaker 7: And so if it hits him in the collarbone, I think,

799
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 7: like a question a lot of people are going to have,

800
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 7: including myself, is okay, So then why are we seeing

801
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 7: it come like a piece of shrapnel come back up

802
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 7: right and hit him in the neck? You know, I

803
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 7: mean obviously where we're seeing that it's above the collarbone.

804
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 5: I've watched the video a thousand times.

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00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: To me, what I see is a is you know,

806
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: the neck wound opening, and I don't see anything that

807
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: jumps up other than like his shirt, and that's that's

808
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: the energy from the from the round that's expending itself

809
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: inside again his neck and his and his body and

810
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: his shirt.

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Speaker 7: Okay, but I don't.

812
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: Think there's anything jumping up at least in terms of

813
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: the like a like a bullet or a piece of shrapnel.

814
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: I know there was a theory at one point that

815
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 1: Charlie was, you know, potentially wearing a vest.

816
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 5: And keep in mind these are like really.

817
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Speaker 1: Zoomed in like iPhone videos and stuff, so there's a

818
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Speaker 1: lot of just you know, it's it's not like four

819
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: K video or something, and so there's there's just a

820
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: lot of pixelation. And I know there was a theory

821
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Speaker 1: that some people had that perhaps he was wearing a

822
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Speaker 1: vest and that the vest ricocheted into into Charlie's neck.

823
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Speaker 5: And that just that just wasn't the case. That was

824
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 5: the entrance wound.

825
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 7: Well, and I think, Jeck, we have to be honest about,

826
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Speaker 7: like why this has been such a difficult conversation for

827
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 7: so many of us to have, because, I mean, think

828
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 7: about the lack of transparency that we've had on Jeffrey

829
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 7: Epstein for years and years obviously I mean, I mean

830
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 7: Joe Biden Epstein files. We have all this drama around it,

831
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 7: and then of course what happened with JFK and MLK

832
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 7: and RFK, I mean, like I mean, and President Trump,

833
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 7: to his credit, has released a lot of these these documents.

834
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 7: But the problem is that there has been this perception,

835
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Speaker 7: and I think not unjustified from the American people, that

836
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 7: when there's a high profile assassination, there's not a lot

837
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 7: of transparency from our government. And so immediately when we

838
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 7: see somebody like Charlie Kirkby murdered. Understandably, people get very

839
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 7: I think, suspicious of our own government, and for good reason,

840
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Speaker 7: because they've lied to us so many times.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. And that's

842
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: why in every time that I've talked about this, or

843
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: every time I've talked to the administration about this or

844
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: anyone involved with it, that I always say, guys, you

845
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: want to err on the side of transparency, and you

846
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: want to put if there's information that can be put out,

847
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Speaker 1: put it out. If there's reports that should be put out,

848
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: they should be put out. The autopsy. I've said this

849
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: from the very start, that this should just be released,

850
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: just release the autopsy, to again give people the information

851
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: as to what's out there.

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Speaker 5: Because look, I get it.

853
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: That in a you know, in a sort of pre

854
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: Internet setting, you want to kind of hold everything until

855
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: you get to trial. You want to be be cognizant

856
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: of all of these things. But at the same time,

857
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: information just doesn't work that way anymore, and we live

858
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: in an information revironment where people are saying, oh, well,

859
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: you holding something back for trial. You know that's that's

860
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: actually you hiding something, and that makes it look like

861
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: you're hiding something, and we live in a time when

862
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: we've seen so many lies between you as your point, Epstein,

863
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: and I would even say COVID, Russia Gate, the censorship

864
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: of the Internet, which we know is done at the

865
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: behest to the FBI, the previous FBI during twenty twenty.

866
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Speaker 1: So I mean, like, I get it, Like I actually

867
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: don't hold it against people for asking questions. I totally

868
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: understand why people would want to. I just in my look,

869
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Speaker 1: Charlie was just you know, did the bumper right there?

870
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: You know, we used to do a show together every Thursday.

871
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: This guy's my friend. If people think I didn't ask

872
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: any questions, like are you serious? You know anything about

873
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: like what I do and what I'm going to try

874
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: to look into for my friend. And this is the

875
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: information that I've been given, you know, this is the

876
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Speaker 1: information that I've been able to find, that I've been

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Speaker 1: able to received in terms of like either just looking

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Speaker 1: online or talking to people that obviously I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who were there. I wasn't there myself,

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Speaker 1: but I work with a lot of people who were there,

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Speaker 1: and so this is this is the best that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the best explanation that I've been given thus far, and

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Speaker 1: if there's more, I'd love to hear more. And I

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Speaker 1: was just saying one with Libby that you know, I

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Speaker 1: really think that there I have serious questions about Lance Twiggs,

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Speaker 1: and I have serious questions asked about what he knew,

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Speaker 1: or what influence he had with Tyler, whether Tyler was

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Speaker 1: trying to impress him, his obsession with chat GPT and

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Speaker 1: these conversations with chat GPT and all of these strange things,

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Speaker 1: strange you know, obsessions that he had because we know

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Speaker 1: chat GPT has been linked with acts of violence in

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Speaker 1: the past, extremely high profile acts of violence.

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Speaker 5: And where are those chat logs? So you know, people are, oh,

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Speaker 5: do you have questions?

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Speaker 1: Like you have a lot of questions, but they're you know,

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Speaker 1: questions that that that I've been able to try to

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Speaker 1: answer in certain ways and questions that you know, I

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Speaker 1: think are still outstanding. And we were gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: the Churchill Holy Step BOOKERB, but I think we'll we'll

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Speaker 1: have to bring that up for another time because we're

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Speaker 1: just about out of.

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Speaker 5: Time, unfortunately, Avida.

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Speaker 1: But I appreciate your questions and I think this is

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Speaker 1: a good conversation.

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Speaker 7: I agree, Jack. And now on the chat GPT thing.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think that there's a real spiritual element

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Speaker 7: to that as well. And the people that are creating

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Speaker 7: open AI, I mean, let's just be honest, they're all transhumanists.

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Speaker 7: And there's been many murders and suicides that have now

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Speaker 7: been linked to chat GPT and that needs to be

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Speaker 7: looked into thoroughly because it has I mean, everybody's using

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Speaker 7: it now. Now everybody's using this open AI. What's What's next?

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Speaker 5: Via Duffie working people go.

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Speaker 7: To follow you, Vita Duffie Underscore one is my ex

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Speaker 7: and my Instagram, and my husband is running for Congress

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Speaker 7: in Wisconsin. A website is Alfonso for Wisconsin dot com.

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Speaker 7: That's f O R.

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Speaker 5: Lady and gentlemen. As always, you have my permission to

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Speaker 5: lay ashore.