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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in Lake Kick is Live at IS Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: April fourteenth. Hear of Our Lord twenty twenty two. We

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Speaker 1: have gone on the record two hundred and fifty one

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Speaker 1: consecutive show without doing a single segment on ESPN FPI rankings. Tonight,

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Speaker 1: from me to you, I promise you this will be

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Speaker 1: show number two hundred and fifty two. Not going to

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Speaker 1: do it, not falling for it. That's bait. That's what

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Speaker 1: that is. We're not falling for it. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what we are falling for though. We're gonna listen to

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban. He warned us time and time again, and

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Speaker 1: maybe we did or didn't listen in the past. Well

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Speaker 1: we as a show or at least going to try

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Speaker 1: and listen tonight. Also harsh allegations being thrown at me

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Speaker 1: that I have been condoning and even defending coach speak.

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Speaker 1: I vehemently disagree. It's one of the many fancy words

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Speaker 1: producer Jesse tried to use around the newsroom today. I

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Speaker 1: don't know who's trying to press because it's us and

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Speaker 1: the janitorial service in the building, but vehemently disagree. That's

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Speaker 1: what I'll do to that tonight. Also, there's a difference

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Speaker 1: between being college football famous and being real world famous,

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Speaker 1: and there aren't very many people who were both. That

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Speaker 1: includes me. Maybe I'm neither, but there is someone who

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Speaker 1: absolutely is both. I'm going to talk about it tonight

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Speaker 1: because it is a full wall to wall mail bag

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Speaker 1: Q and a show right now. It is the go

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Speaker 1: home show, as they would say in pro wrestling. We

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Speaker 1: don't have a pay per view Sunday. We do have

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Speaker 1: Easter Sunday. So I'm driving home in about two hours.

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Speaker 1: I drove eight hundred and forty seven miles yesterday and

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Speaker 1: four hundred the day before, so over eleven hundred total

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Speaker 1: miles to see Naria Tornado. Kursed would be too strong

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Speaker 1: a word, but I am on a very very pronounced

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Speaker 1: dry spell right now. Not happy about it, but I

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Speaker 1: will not let it impact my performance tonight. They're watching

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Speaker 1: us in Mexico City, Mexico. They're watching us, believe it

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Speaker 1: or not, in Nicaragua, Central America. And New Year's in

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Speaker 1: Sri Lanka. I know it's New Year's because one of

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Speaker 1: you told me, because you're watching from Sri Lanka. Also,

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Speaker 1: it should be noted China Spring Texas is tuned in

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Speaker 1: as is Columbus, Ohio and Stoneam, Massachusetts. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for being tuned in. Let's dive right into the

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Speaker 1: mailbag tonight, because, like I said, to lead this show, warnings, warnings,

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Speaker 1: Warnings didn't have enough in the tornatic variety yesterday, but

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Speaker 1: boy do we have one when it comes to Nick Saban.

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Speaker 1: So first, let me read the question and I'll get

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Speaker 1: you the quote, and then I'll tell you at least

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Speaker 1: what this guy thinks about it. So Daniel hit us up.

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Speaker 1: He said, do people really believe that this is Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban losing power? Every time Nick Saban asks? If this

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Speaker 1: is what we want college football to be, isn't it

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Speaker 1: more of a warning? Now? What is Daniel talking about?

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Speaker 1: If you've been out in left field over the past

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Speaker 1: forty eight hours, you may not know. Nick Saban did

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Speaker 1: an interview wide arranging in Nature with the Associated Press

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Speaker 1: the AP, and I believe it was Ralph Russo. So

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban had some interesting quotes. I picked this one out,

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Speaker 1: but you could go read the whole thing if you

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Speaker 1: want to. He's talking, of course about nil and transfer

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Speaker 1: portal and stuff. So this, in part is what Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban had to say the concept of name, image and

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Speaker 1: likeness was for players to be able to use their name,

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Speaker 1: image and likeness to create opportunities for themselves. That's what

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Speaker 1: basically buy players. You can do it in recruiting. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if that's what we want college football to be, I

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Speaker 1: was Nick Saban talking to the AP. Now, as is

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Speaker 1: usually the case when these sorts of things happen, you

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Speaker 1: have two camps that form anytime Nick Saban talks about

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Speaker 1: any change in college football. It's been this way for

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Speaker 1: a decade. Anytime Saban talks about change in college football,

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Speaker 1: And then there's this other camp who's I think memory

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Speaker 1: because that's exactly what that is. All the warnings he's

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Speaker 1: given us in the past. It could have been about

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Speaker 1: All that happened. Everything he said was going to happen happen.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't hurt Alabama in the least. He told you famously,

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Speaker 1: is this what you want football to be? When the

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Speaker 1: offense is Nick Saban asked, is this what you want?

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Speaker 1: And a lot of people were foolish enough to actually

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Speaker 1: I'm quite literally asking you, is this what you want

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Speaker 1: even more margin for error, and I'm gonna make this

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Speaker 1: the Boa constrictor mentality. I'm just gonna chop you up

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Speaker 1: in forty seven pieces graphic, I know, but that's kind

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Speaker 1: of what they do now. Offensively, they have been the

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Speaker 1: football over the past five or six years now, because

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Speaker 1: apparently America told him, Yeah, this is what we want

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Speaker 1: He told you about the portal, he told you about nil.

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Speaker 1: Those in many ways have been disasters so far. It's

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Speaker 1: are aware of all that. Where are we going now?

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Speaker 1: you say tampering, tampering. And while I'm not in the

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Speaker 1: That's Nick Saban's want being tampered with in that scenario.

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Speaker 1: By the way, So anyway, what I am trying to

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Speaker 1: reiterate is in the past, maybe I listened to him,

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Speaker 1: maybe I didn't. But in the future, now and in

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Speaker 1: That's not the case. That's never been the case, It's

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Speaker 1: is this what's best for the sport? There's always the

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Speaker 1: on these new progressive changes. According to some in college football,

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Speaker 1: there's always this threat of legal action. Well, now that

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Speaker 1: Well that is partially true, but but it also screams,

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Speaker 1: who's gonna fix it? And therein lies your problem. No

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Speaker 1: or Florida or Alabama for an extended period of time,

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Speaker 1: LSU Georgia. Those programs have all shown Tier one capability

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Speaker 1: in the SEC. Arkansas hasn't, at least not for a

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Speaker 1: sustained period of time. You could have a flash season,

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Speaker 1: a pop season, but they could never do it four

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Speaker 1: or five consecutive years. They're not going to be in

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Speaker 1: Atlanta three out of five years. That's not going to happen,

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Speaker 1: or at least that's what history tells us. I genuinely

436
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Speaker 1: think there's a dynamic shift going on at Arkansas. This

437
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Speaker 1: is why we spent so much time talking about it

438
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Speaker 1: the other night. The only way you can change that

439
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Speaker 1: is if you're not a Tier three or a Tier

440
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Speaker 1: two program, when you're a Tier one program. The way

441
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Speaker 1: you get there is by being a program that doesn't

442
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Speaker 1: have to take a back seat, whether it be in recruiting.

443
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Speaker 1: You don't have to wait to see if a kid

444
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Speaker 1: gets an offer from someone else, and if he doesn't

445
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Speaker 1: get it from them, Okay, then I'll come play for you.

446
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Speaker 1: You have to have all the players in the room.

447
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Speaker 1: Alabama has to put an offer on the kid's table.

448
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: Ohio State clemes and have to put offers on the kids' table,

449
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: and then he looks at you and says, you know

450
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Speaker 1: what I want to play for you anyway. Ditto for

451
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Speaker 1: the transfer portal, Ditto for coaching. You have to have

452
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Speaker 1: options and then people with options have to continue to

453
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Speaker 1: choose you. That is what is starting to happen at

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Speaker 1: Arkansas and that's why when I look at them from

455
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Speaker 1: this point moving forward, I believe they'll be capable of

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Speaker 1: doing things that they were not capable of doing to

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Speaker 1: this point because the dynamics are changing. So that's my

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Speaker 1: take on Arkansas. But what about Tennessee Because this is

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Speaker 1: one that I have to readjust myself in my chair

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Speaker 1: for here. So this is one that we've talked about

461
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many times since I got here.

462
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: Director Colin is a Tennessee guy, so he and I

463
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: talk about this all the time off the year, which

464
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Speaker 1: is me just talking to a wall. So I guess

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Speaker 1: the best way for me to ask this for the

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Speaker 1: people who don't believe Tennessee is capable of competing for

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Speaker 1: a national championship anymore. Is what does a program like

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Speaker 1: Clemson possess that Tennessee does not possess. You could say, well,

469
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Speaker 1: they've got an easier schedule, so therefore they've got theoretically

470
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Speaker 1: a more workable path. Zoom it out further than that,

471
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Speaker 1: because the fact of the matter is Clemson, if they

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Speaker 1: played in the SEC East, would still have been very,

473
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Speaker 1: very good over the last several years. The caliber of

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Speaker 1: team that Dabbo put together over the last since twenty fourteen, fifteen,

475
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Speaker 1: whenever that was they started that national title run, teams

476
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Speaker 1: would have still been there if they were in Knoxville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: My question is what do they possess there that Tennessee

478
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: doesn't And if you can't come up with something better

479
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Speaker 1: than the division or the conference they play in, then

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Speaker 1: the answer is, well, if Clemson has been capable of

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Speaker 1: doing it, Tennessee's always been capable of doing it. The

482
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: answer is right in front of your face. They haven't

483
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Speaker 1: hired the right coaches, They've made disastrous coaching hires, the

484
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: administration at various points has been a mess. None of

485
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: that is fake. It all happened, We've seen the results

486
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Speaker 1: it all happen, But it doesn't change the fact that

487
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Speaker 1: Tennessee never stopped being capable of being a national player

488
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Speaker 1: due to their own internal ineptitude. At times they sabotage themselves.

489
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Speaker 1: That's not the structure of college football changing, that's not

490
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Speaker 1: the landscape evolving and leaving them in the dust. They've

491
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Speaker 1: still had the fan passion the entire time. They've still

492
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Speaker 1: had the investment the entire time. They've got the massive

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Speaker 1: checkbook by nature of being in the SEC and by

494
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Speaker 1: having those folks fully invested, they've got good facilities up there.

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00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 1: They've continued to enhance and invest in that. Everything that

496
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 1: you need to compete has been there. The people that

497
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: you need in order to compete have not been there.

498
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: But that's as easy and as hard as making the

499
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Speaker 1: right higher. Maybe they just did it a little over

500
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Speaker 1: twelve months ago. Maybe Josh Hypel is the right guy,

501
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: independent of who the head coach at Tennessee is, though,

502
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 1: let's just pretend like it's Josh Hippel or it's mister X,

503
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: whoever it is. If that person is the right person,

504
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: it's like unlocking a magical door. Everything you could ever

505
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: want in college football's behind it. Tennessee never lost the key. Well,

506
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: let me rephrase, they did lose the key. They never

507
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: forgot where the door was. It's always been there, it's

508
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Speaker 1: still there today. If Clemson can do it, absolutely Tennessee

509
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: can do it. There's nothing different about those programs. I mean, geographically,

510
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: they're very close to recruiting the same regions. I've always

511
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: been a believer that if you zoom out, give me

512
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,239
Speaker 1: a little six hour radius around Knoxville, you got all

513
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: the talent you need. And if you can't get it there,

514
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: go to the portal. And if you can't get it

515
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: in either, then just go to California, like they just

516
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: did to pick up a five star quarterback. There is

517
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: nothing holding Tennessee back but Tennessee itself. You think you

518
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: have nothing to fear but fear itself. Tennessee's had nothing

519
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: to fear but Tennessee. So they've gotten that, hopefully out

520
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: of the way, and now we're starting to see some

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00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: positive traction on the recruiting trail. And they overachieved last

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00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: year in year one under Josh Haipel, so fingers crossed.

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Speaker 1: I think I've told this story before. But my first day,

524
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: at twenty four to seven, I got here and someone

525
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: will call him Luke Stanmpini. He was sitting next to

526
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: me and we were talking about the next LSU because

527
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen LSU had just sent traffic on that team

528
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: site through the roof. And I said, oh, it's Tennessee.

529
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: Like Tennessee, they're just waiting to explode, and he agreed.

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Speaker 1: And I still think that today Tennessee could go back

531
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: to being a major regional to national brand. It's just

532
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: been dormant. It's not extinct, just that tea, the power tea,

533
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: just dorm it right now, Colin, is that good enough?

534
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: I think I pretty well sumized how we feel about Tennessee.

535
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: I want them to be good because I want Colin

536
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: to be happy. It's it's just a better work environment.

537
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: When Colin smiles. I saw it once I think last September,

538
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: and then at the Christmas party he smiled once before

539
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: he ghosted everyone abruptly. But you know, director Colin's been

540
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: known to smile every now and then. I think Tennessee

541
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: can make it happen a lot more often. Next up

542
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: is foolishness. Next up, I want you to listen to this.

543
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: Our buddy Parker at Stats of War, who knows better

544
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: but submitted this anyway, asked, would you rather fight one

545
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: hundred duck sized at Orgeron's or one at Orseron sized duck?

546
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: I'll hang up and listen. And so I started thinking

547
00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:00,160
Speaker 1: to myself the answer to this question, notwithstanding whatever where

548
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 1: it is, you'll have to be properly equipped, right and

549
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: the only place on planet Earth that could properly equip

550
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: you for either of these fights is Academy Sports and Outdoors.

551
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: So what I've done is I've taken a friend of

552
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: the program, and I have shamelessly used them to segue

553
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 1: into an ad read so seamlessly that not a one

554
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: of you saw it coming. I doubt the staff even

555
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: saw it coming. But now that you're here, please let

556
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: me tell you one thing. Easter weekend is upon us.

557
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: It feels good pretty much everywhere in the country right now,

558
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: at least after the bad stuff moves through, it's time

559
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: to get outdoors. Don't be that person who gets to

560
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: late May and you're still the color of this paper,

561
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: at least if you're of my ethnicity, because you haven't

562
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: gotten outdoors. Get outdoors. Make it happen right after you

563
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: go to Academy Sports and Outdoors. And if you can't

564
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: get to Academy, that's fine. These people are realists just

565
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: like I am. They understand some of you live in

566
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: like Los Cruse. This this New Mexico, and I have

567
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: not done the research, So I'm just gonna roll the

568
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: dice and say, maybe Los Crusis doesn't have an Academy.

569
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: If you do, forget everything I'm about to say. But

570
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: if you don't have one, that's fine. Academy dot Com

571
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: is your hookup, no matter which kind of recreational activity

572
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: you're about to get out and take part in. I

573
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: don't care if it's camping, I don't care. If it's badminton,

574
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: I don't care. If it's tennis, they've got it, They've

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Speaker 1: got the gear, and you know what else they have

576
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Speaker 1: are back because this show is brought to you exclusively

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Speaker 1: by Academy Sports and Outdoors. So whatever you feel like

578
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: doing this spring, as long as it's within the confines

579
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Speaker 1: of the law, do it. But let Academy help you

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Speaker 1: do it. That's all I'm asking. Thank you, Parker. They're

581
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Speaker 1: watching us tonight in Mableton, Georgia. Parkersburg, Iowa is tuned in,

582
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: and I spent an inordinate amount of time yesterday in

583
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Speaker 1: beautiful Tunica, Mississippi on the Blues Highway there, Highway sixty one.

584
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Speaker 1: And while I did not find what I was looking

585
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: for over there, that being severe weather, tornadoes and the like,

586
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: did have some great conversation with the two ladies. They're

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Speaker 1: at the visitor center. I highly recommend the visitor center

588
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: in Tunica, Mississippi. I just did the Academy ad read,

589
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: but what I had written down is Jesse's ratchet idea,

590
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: because it was Jesse's idea to use that tweet to

591
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: segue us into the ad read. So never say I'm

592
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: not prepared. Let's continue right back here into the mail bag.

593
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Speaker 1: Next st up, we have Jerry Heartbreaker. Jerry said, which

594
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Speaker 1: college football personalities out there other than yourself are most

595
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: real world famous? Please don't tell me it's Brandon Walker. Well,

596
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: I can assure you it's not. Brandon Walker claims to

597
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Speaker 1: be from Mississippi. I spent yesterday in Mississippi. No one

598
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: there even knew who he was, So it's not Brandon Walker. Unfortunately,

599
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: it's also not me. Think about the question here, how

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00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: many folks in the world of college football media are

601
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Speaker 1: like real world famous, where people who don't care about

602
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: college football know them. There's one that stands out head

603
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Speaker 1: and shoulders. This is a classic filling the bla and

604
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: it's not even close situation, which we rarely have on

605
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: this show. It's Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow is recognized all

606
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: over the world by people who could not pick out Gainesville,

607
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: Florida on a map. People who could not name you

608
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: ten college football mascots. They know who Tim Tebow is

609
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: for all kinds of different reasons. Tebow transcends college football.

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00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: Tbo transcends sports. Let me give you a story. When

611
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: we were at the National Championship Game back in January

612
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. I was in the JW. Marriott Gym downtown

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00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. That's where everyone was staying. It was in

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Speaker 1: the media hotel. So let me paint the picture for you.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of people in this gym that

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Speaker 1: you would recognize. Marty Smith was in there, Kanell was

617
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: in there, Laura Rutledge I think was in there at

618
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Speaker 1: the time. A lot of folks from TV were in there.

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Speaker 1: Because everyone's stayed at the same hotel it's the morning

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Speaker 1: of the game, so a lot of people have work

621
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Speaker 1: to do, so they're getting quick work out in So anyway,

622
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: if you love college football, would have been able to

623
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,239
Speaker 1: pick out like a dozen people in the gym. But

624
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: there were also people there on normal business who didn't

625
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: even know the national championship game was in town, who

626
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: were staying at the Marriotte. They were in there working out.

627
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: They didn't really recognize any of those folks. They didn't

628
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: recognize me, They didn't recognize Marty Smith. Tebow walks in

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Speaker 1: not trying to attract any attention, slips in there, has

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Speaker 1: hat pulled down, and you could see every head, and

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Speaker 1: you could see the whispers, and you could see this

632
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: right here, this move right here, that was happening. If

633
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: you're listening to on podcast, I just discreetly took an

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00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: eye Josh photo. That was happening all over the place.

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Speaker 1: You had a couple of folks wanted to walk up

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Speaker 1: and shake the hand. That is real world famous, which

637
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: is a lot bigger and more broad than being college

638
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: football famous. But Tibo's had that. Let me tell you,

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Speaker 1: the most fun thing to watch though, when you have

640
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: someone like that who's kind of polarizing for whatever reason,

641
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: and he's in public. I've I've been to several places

642
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: where Timp Tebow's there, and I always love watching his

643
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: interaction with people because I know what it's like on

644
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: the Internet, and the most fun thing for me to

645
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: do is stand back, cross my arms and watch the

646
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: difference in real world, face to face Tim Tebow interaction

647
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: with people versus anonymous Internet dude take on Tim Tebow

648
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: because you don't have to scroll too far on the

649
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: old Internet before you see a dude with fifty seven followers,

650
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, Darrel from Destin, Florida trashing Temp Tebow anonymously.

651
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: But then when Darryl meets Tim Tebow in real life,

652
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: he either doesn't say a word to him or he

653
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: asks for an autograph, because there is a very big

654
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: difference in seeing a grown man in person versus talking

655
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: about a grown man on the Internet. Which side note

656
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: should be emphasized was when Tebow is in the gym,

657
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: you looked like a pro wrestler, looked like the ultimate warrior.

658
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what he was training for. It was impressive.

659
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: Last story this takes me back aways two thousand and

660
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: eight or nine, when Bam and Florida played Tebo's in

661
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: college at the time when they played in the SEC

662
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: championship game. I got a buddy back home, we'll call

663
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: him Greg. We went to the game and he's a

664
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: hardcore Georgia fan, but he just went to the game.

665
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: And so it's Bama versus Georgia. Like we grew up

666
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: in the SEC, so we want to go to the game.

667
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: We went to it several years. This dude claims to

668
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: despise Tim Tebow I'm talking about, would take a flamethrower

669
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: to the very ground Tebow walked on, partly because of

670
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: what Tebo had done to Georgia and partly because you know,

671
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: if you were a non Florida fan in the SEC,

672
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: you were just not supposed to like Tim Tebo. We're

673
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: underneath the Georgia Dome where the buses pull in, and

674
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: Florida's bus pulls up. And let me tell you who

675
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: walks by us. Aaron Hernandez walks by us. Leave that alone.

676
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: The pouncy Twins walk by, looking as intimidating as probably

677
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: any human beings you'll see. And so then comes Tim

678
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: Tebow and this fool stand next to me who is

679
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: trash Tebow in both of my years. For the last

680
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: several years, I don't know how frequently Tim Tebow walks by.

681
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: This dude is able to utter two words, and the

682
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 1: two words were hey, Tim, almost in a falsetto. That's

683
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: how high this man's voice went. That's the effect that

684
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: Tibo's had ever since playing days up to it, including

685
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: whatever you call what he does today. That's the effect

686
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: that he's had on people. Temp Tbou. That's the guy

687
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: in the college football media world who is real world famous.

688
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: There is a difference when he enters the room than

689
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: when every other one of them enter the room. All right,

690
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: let's dive back into the game on the field till

691
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: someone has said something here and I, oh boy, I've

692
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: got to kind of take umbradge Jesse, is that one

693
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: of your words. Let's take umbrage with this, shall we.

694
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: Michael Davies, if you want to follow him on Twitter

695
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: at well good grief, put underscores between well and good

696
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: in grief. Colin, that's a terrible end for you, so

697
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: you can use this. Michael Davies hit us up. He said, well,

698
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly's coaching translate to the SEC. There's no debating

699
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: his track record, but he looks like a really odd

700
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: fit at this point. It feels like we'll be comparing

701
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: it to Charlie Strong and Texas in three or four years.

702
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't until I got to the last part that

703
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: I really said, what like? Up until that point, I

704
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: just said, I don't know, Michael, I disagree. Then he

705
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: went to Charlie Strong route. I want to address that first. Okay,

706
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: this is not even apples to oranges Brian Kelly and

707
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: Charlie Strong's like apples to bowling balls. So I'm just

708
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: going to take that respectfully. I'm going to toss it

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00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: off to the side. Charlie Strong, if you have forgotten,

710
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: let me refresh your memory. He had been at Louisville. Therefore,

711
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: he had been a head coach four years and they

712
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: went to the Sugar Bowl and they had that big year,

713
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: and so he uses that to springboard himself into the

714
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: Texas job. Brian Kelly's been a head coach eighteen years

715
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: before this year. Like, Brian Kelly has over four hundred

716
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: percent the head coaching track record and a BCS title

717
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: game appearance and two College Football Playoff appearances. There's nothing

718
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: you have to guess about Brian Kelly. You had to

719
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: guess a lot about Charlie Strong. But even if Charlie

720
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: Strong had been around for a long time and had

721
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: fully established himself, you still had the Texas dynamic in play.

722
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: There are a lot of for all we know, qualified

723
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: head coaching candidates who have gone to Texas and had

724
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Speaker 1: it not work out because of Texas. It's what sark

725
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: is dealing with right now. That's the great unknown. We've

726
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: talked about it very often on this program, about Texas

727
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,479
Speaker 1: and Steve Sarkisian or Texas and any head coach. It's

728
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: only the first chapter of the book when you tell

729
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: me who you're hiring at Texas. The next three or

730
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: four chapters is okay, is everyone going to get out

731
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: of the way, Is this this and this is going

732
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: to be different. So my point is Texas in many

733
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: cases is the worst comparative analysis that you can use.

734
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: So let's remove the Texas and the Charlie Strong equation.

735
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: Let's just talk about Brian Kelly. Here, a lot of

736
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: people are saying this. It's not the first time we've

737
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: even spoken about it. Here, a lot of people are

738
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: saying what Michael said, he's he may not even be

739
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: in the minority. I haven't taken formal polling on this,

740
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: but it seems to me like a lot of people

741
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: around college football agree with what Michael saying. Maybe I'm

742
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: the lone wolf out here who believes Brian Kelly will

743
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: be good at LSU. But here's what I want to ask. Okay,

744
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: so if we were on the debate stage, here's what

745
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: i'd ask from you, because you're making the more definitive

746
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: statement than I am. All these folks right here telling

747
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: me Brian Kelly's coaching style will not translate to the SEC. Well,

748
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: that's all well and good, but I want you to

749
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,479
Speaker 1: come back now, I'll give the floor to you. Give

750
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: me specifics. Don't tell me in some abstract manner. Oh,

751
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly's not gonna fit here. Why, Well, it's just

752
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: it's not going to translate. Why it's just not a

753
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: good coach fit. No, you're talking about coaching, your words,

754
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: not mine. You said coaching. So I want you to

755
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: tell me what about Brian Kelly's coaching philosophy fee or

756
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: his specific schemes that he likes to run, or what

757
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 1: he believes in on third? Now, what is it about

758
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly as a football coach that worked at Notre

759
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: Dame that will not translate to the SEC Almost like

760
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: there's a border you have to cross it. He doesn't

761
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,959
Speaker 1: have to write papers? What is it? And every time

762
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: I ask for the specifics, people start stammering and they

763
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: start tripping all over themselves because the fact of the

764
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: matter is, it still boggles my mind we do this.

765
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: People keep almost spit all over myself. People keep speaking

766
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: in theoretical terms about Brian Kelly, like, we haven't seen

767
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: the guy do it for almost two decades successfully as

768
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: a head coach. I've seen it work, and I've seen

769
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: him do it with lesser resources, with harsher academic requirements.

770
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that the guy who's already shown

771
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: to be successful elsewhere is going to come to a

772
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: place where they're even more invested and maybe even more

773
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: passionate and certainly better resourced and going to have access

774
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: to more athletes. But it's not gonna work here because

775
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: why don't know, it's just not gonna translate. I look

776
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: at that and then I see right through it. There's

777
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: nothing to that, Like, if Brian Kelly doesn't work out

778
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: for whatever reason at LSU. It won't be because there

779
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: was something that worked at Notre Dame that all of

780
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: a sudden wouldn't translate to Southern football. The other thing is,

781
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: we've seen this movie down here before. Like, if you're

782
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: nineteen years old, you don't remember when Nick Saban came

783
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: to the SEC. Little JP does. And guess what Little

784
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: JP remembers all the older folks around him saying, they

785
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: said number one who They went to Michigan State and

786
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: got the head coach. See nineteen year olds out there,

787
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: you just know Sabin is the greatest of all time.

788
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: Once upon a time he was just another coach. LSU

789
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: went and got him, you know what they said? Okay,

790
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: he was okay at Michigan State, But is that gonna

791
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: translate to the SEC. It turns out the formula for

792
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: win one place can be the formula for winning any place.

793
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: But then it got even better. He got Saucier. In

794
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: the mid two thousands, there's this guy out at Utah, which,

795
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: according to these opinion makers was basically over in Russia.

796
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: And this guy out at Utah is doing big things.

797
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: I think he was at bowling Green or Purple or

798
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: Orange before that his name is weird urban legend something

799
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: like that. Anyway, Florida just hired him. Man, did you

800
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: hear this? Well, let me tell you about this dude

801
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: at Utah. You may have had something that worked at Utah,

802
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: but when you get to the SEC, what worked at

803
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: Utah not going to translate down here. And the guy

804
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: from Michigan State came in and won a championship at

805
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: LSU and reinvented the entire sporting process and then went

806
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: off to the NFL for a couple of years before

807
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: coming back and laying waste to the sport for another

808
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: decade and a half. The dude at Utah ended up

809
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: being named Urban Meyer, came down to Florida. All he

810
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: did is win two titles three years and totally redefined

811
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: what offense was the SEC, and for that matter, college football.

812
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: The formula is the same regardless of where you are

813
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: when it comes to how to win, the same things

814
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: win that have always won in principal terms. You may

815
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: do things philosophically or schematically a different way. Brian Kelly

816
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: had something that worked at Notre Dame. I highly suspect

817
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: it'll work at LSU. In fact, I somewhat suspect. You

818
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: may even look at it and say, Wow, Brian Kelly

819
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: is actually doing better. His teams are performing at a

820
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: higher level at LSU than they did at Notre Dame.

821
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: Not that those Notre Dame teams were bad, but wow,

822
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: I've never seen a Brian Kelly team perform at this level.

823
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: Wonder why it is? Well, the reasons are going to

824
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: be called Thibodeau and New Orleans and places of that

825
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: nature where those athletes reside. That's the reason that it'll

826
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: look like that. I dismiss this notion that whatever he

827
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: had at Notre Dame it's not gonna translate. It's not

828
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: gonna work there. You're gonna have to bring me more

829
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: than that. Next up. Sounds like a dumb question, but

830
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: it's not a dumb question at all. Todd asked. Can

831
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: an argument be made that it's more enjoyable to be

832
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: a fan of a good team fighting to be great

833
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: than a great team with expectations to win every game? Now,

834
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: Jesse brought a butter knife to the fight earlier in

835
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: the newsroom and started making what he thought were great

836
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: points on this. But I disagreed. Everyone would love to

837
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: win a national championship. That's true, but there is a

838
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: certain authenticity, a certain innocence, if you will, when a

839
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: program is first starting that climb, everyone remembers it if

840
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: you've ever made it to the top, and if you've

841
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: ever gone on a run. Even though, yeah, man, you'd

842
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: love to win a title every year, people always look

843
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: back fondly on the climb. It's the same way in life.

844
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: You can watch people who have long since taken over

845
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: sectors and industries, But what do they want to talk about.

846
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: They don't want to talk about the latest million they made.

847
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: They don't want to talk about the latest merger or acquisition.

848
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: They want to talk about the climb. It's enjoyable. It's

849
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: the most memorable aspect of the arc of achievement. Write

850
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: that down if that doesn't exist as a term already.

851
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: So in this world, what Todd was asking about is

852
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: is it more enjoyable? Well, that's all relative. So what

853
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: do you enjoy the most? Because we talk about the

854
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: consequences of success on this show a lot, and those

855
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: are only reserved for the very elite few that win

856
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: titles and they're at the very very pinnacle of the sport.

857
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: Those fans are not always enjoying everything. Now you think

858
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 1: that sounds dumb, because how could you not enjoy winning

859
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: all the time. Well, that's just it. Winning is no

860
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: longer good enough. This is not the NFL. This is

861
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: college football. And in college football, when you're at the

862
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: top of the game, you play, you know, let's say

863
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: you're let's say you're Ohio State and you're playing in

864
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: Indiana this Saturday. It's not enough to beat them thirty

865
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: one to twenty nine. You're favored by twenty three and

866
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: a half points against them. You barely squeak by Indiana.

867
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: I can tell you right now, those message boards the

868
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: rest of that evening and into next week are going

869
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: to be insufferable. Like talk radio in Columbus the following Monday,

870
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: Old Zach Smith's podcast there, it will be insufferable because

871
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: winning's no longer good enough. Now does that sound enjoyable?

872
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: Because I can tell you if you're Indiana and you

873
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: beat Purdue, let's say, it doesn't matter if it's thirty

874
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: one to nothing or thirty one to twenty nine, you

875
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: guys are in heaven. The rest of the evening. Why, well,

876
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: the expectation levels different. But guess who's having a more

877
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: enjoyable Saturday night. Forget about the rest of the context,

878
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: just that moment in time. Who is enjoying themselves more.

879
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: It's the team over here who's over under win total

880
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: seven and a half games. It's not the National championship contender.

881
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, everyone wants to be in that position where

882
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: you can win a title. But like I said, this

883
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: is not the NFL. So the other part of the

884
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: reality is what Jesse and I were talking about earlier.

885
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: The other part of the reality is this is harsh.

886
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone's ever realized this before, but

887
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: I'll be the one to break the bad news to you.

888
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: There are some programs in Power five totally incapable of

889
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: making the playoff. Gasp, I know, but it's true. So

890
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to pick a team, and it's Colorado. And

891
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: this is no knock on Colorado, but if Colorado fans

892
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: show up Week one this fall with the same expectation

893
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: level as Alabama fans, it makes no sense whatsoever. However,

894
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: if Colorado fans come to the table and say, you

895
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: know what would be great if we made a bowl game,

896
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: or if we got even abuff and be off, we

897
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: got the seven wins, like, can you imagine what January

898
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: would feel like or what late December would feel like. Well,

899
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you got some wiggle room there,

900
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: and you got some room for some saturdays to not

901
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: go your way. But it's not. At the first sign

902
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: of trouble you just throw your hands up in the

903
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: air and say, well, there goes this season. That's no

904
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: way to go through life for a Colorado fan. Now

905
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: an Alabama fan, Terry and Trustville, Abner and Alabaster, it's

906
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: a little bit different for them. But expectation and the

907
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: calibration of expectation is so much more important because of

908
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: the nature of this question. If you don't have your

909
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: expectation levels properly calibrated, then you leave it up to

910
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: other people to set your expectation. And if you're not careful,

911
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: you'll listen to these people out here talking about the

912
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: playoff being the center of the college football universe, and

913
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: you'll think to yourself, well, my team's not in the

914
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: playoff conversation. That means my team must be a failure. Right. No, No,

915
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: if Colorado's not in the playoff conversation this September and

916
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: October doesn't mean anything. Colorado has no business right now

917
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: being in the playoff conversation. Calibrate those expectations kids. Parents,

918
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: make sure those kids have properly calibrated expectations. There's another

919
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: very controversial topic while we're at it that someone asked about,

920
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: So let's let's go ahead and hit it. I think

921
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: some of you have already guessed what it is. Russ

922
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: living in Houston, Missouri. Why are preseason polls always incredibly

923
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: wrong on most rankings by the end of the season. Well,

924
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: that's because a lot changes ross first and foremost. But

925
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: there's a camp that some of you may think I'm

926
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: in that I'm not in. A lot of you are

927
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 1: in the abolished preseason polls camp, and I've never been there.

928
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: In fact, it might surprise you to know I'm even

929
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: on the opposite side of the coin. I actually kind

930
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: of like preseason polls. I was just on TV there

931
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: in the B world. I actually like preseason polls, but

932
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: I properly interpret preseason polls. Notice I didn't say I

933
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: respect them. In fact, I have very little respect for

934
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: most poles, some more than others or some less than others.

935
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: A certain three letter poll was released today by a

936
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: certain four letter network, and that's as far as I'm

937
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: going to go on it. But I'm telling you right now,

938
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: there's a program in Lee County, Alabama that this certain

939
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: poll ranked top ten, and the fans of that team

940
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: are making fun of the poll, cause the fans of

941
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: that team know how ridiculous it is that poll ranked

942
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: their team in the top ten. Not to give anything away,

943
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: preseason polls are fun and that's all they're meant to be,

944
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: and largely they're meant just for preseason fodder. I have

945
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: always fancied myself as someone who can properly interpret preseason polls.

946
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: What they're not is an end all be all. They

947
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: should not be your compass to the season. They should

948
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: be written in very light pencil figuratively. Of course, you

949
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: do that in the magazine industry, and you're going to

950
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: be out of business very soon. Preseason polls, to me

951
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: are just something to do to pass the time. Here's

952
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: the key. The key is number one, know how to

953
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: interpret them, which is just kind of rough guidance to

954
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: go off of. It's like if I'm looking at the

955
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: GFS but it's seven days out, I don't care where

956
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: it says specific squall lines are going to be I

957
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: just care if it's telling me there's a chance, you know,

958
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: I got amplified pattern here, there's a chance we could

959
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,959
Speaker 1: have some unsettled weather in the South. That's about all

960
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: that model's good for seven days out a preseason poll.

961
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: If it tells you Iowa State is number seven preseason

962
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: and Oklahoma's number five preseason, whatever, just take it to

963
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: mean both teams are expected to be pretty good, and

964
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: then that's it. The key is that. But the second key,

965
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: and this is more important. If you're participating in polls

966
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: or you're putting together power rankings of your own, you've

967
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: got to be able to pivot on a dime. Don't

968
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: ever marry yourself to opinions that were created in August,

969
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: cause the sum after this weekend. Actually, for a lot

970
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: of you, if you're having spring games, the sum of

971
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: what will change about your program from let's say Sunday

972
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: all the way through SEC and Big Ten and ACC

973
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: media days through the opening of spring or fall camp

974
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: is nil. I mean, maybe you make some moves in

975
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: the transfer portal, but yet there's so much time to

976
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: talk between spring practice and fall camp that people work

977
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: themselves up to believing things out of boredom that may

978
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: or may not be true, and they marry themselves to

979
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: the opinion. In our industry, it's really bad because like

980
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: I'll do who knows how many hundred talk radio spots

981
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: in those months, And if I just decide I want

982
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: to sound cool and say Kentucky is gonna win the

983
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: SEC East, I repeat that stuff so much that by

984
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: the time we actually get to Fall camp opening, it's

985
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: like it sounds second nature to me. And therefore I may,

986
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: if I'm not careful, watch Kentucky struggle in week one

987
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: and struggle in week two and think to myself, Oh,

988
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: they'll get over it. That's because my default is an

989
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: opinion that was born in June that I have no

990
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: business being married to. If you have the preseason rankings,

991
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: that's cool, but you should also be willing for them

992
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: to be shaken up over one Saturday in week one

993
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: more than the previous three months. The previous three months

994
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: means nothing, no football happened. Football actually happens in week one,

995
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: So rank them by all means rank them. But if

996
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: someone who you ranked top five shows themselves to be

997
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: fraudulent in week one and some when you have outside

998
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: the top twenty five. Look stellar. Don't find yourself saying

999
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: let me give it a month, Let me give it

1000
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: a month. No, you just saw the total amount of

1001
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: football that anyone has seen in twenty twenty two so

1002
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: far Week one. Be willing to move off those preseason

1003
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: rankings and preseason opinions. If you're willing to do that,

1004
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: I have no problem with preseason polls. The problems people

1005
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: have had in the past is folks don't do that enough,

1006
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: and especially in the era where AP voters either decided

1007
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: the national champ or they had to say in the

1008
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: formula for the BCS. Your problem was justified. Your problem

1009
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: was Wait a second, So this guy who writes for

1010
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: a paper in Colorado Springs, Colorado won't move this team

1011
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: out of the top, and it stands the reason, the

1012
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: only reason he won't do is just because he had

1013
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: him there in the preseason, and this team at number

1014
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: seven has shown a much better resume than the team

1015
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: at number five. That stuff is valid. That's a valid criticism.

1016
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: So if you got someone who understands how to do

1017
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: a poll correctly, then and only then am I okay

1018
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: with him? All Right? We got to get out of here.

1019
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: I got a long drive tonight. Hey, I got a

1020
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: story for you right quick. So the folks from Cameo

1021
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: were recruiting me for a while, and I was not

1022
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: really in a great big hurry to join, but I

1023
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: joined last week. Cameo is a service where you can

1024
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 1: buy shout outs, happy birthdays, whatever. That's how most people

1025
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: use it, well knowing our audience like I knew I did.

1026
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, I bet some people are about

1027
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: to get really creative with these. So I had a

1028
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: lot of bookings right off the bat. Two of you

1029
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: booked me. I don't think this will be the last

1030
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: two who do this. Two of you are engaged to

1031
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: be married, and you booked me to try and convince

1032
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: your fiance in two minutes or us that fall weddings

1033
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: are the devil, which they are. They are Satan's tool,

1034
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: and spring weddings are much more preferable. And I poured

1035
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: my heart out in those Cameo messages. And then a

1036
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: couple of more people wanted me to try and convince

1037
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: their friend who is an expansionist or casual that they

1038
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: are headed down the wrong road in life. It's not

1039
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: too late, come back and join us. I did that

1040
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: gladly had a couple of happy birthdays in there. But

1041
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of fun. It's what I'm trying

1042
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: to say with the cameo. So I didn't know how

1043
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: I would take to it, but I've taken to it

1044
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: very well. If you're interested, link is on my Twitter

1045
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 1: account at late kick Josh. I am out of here

1046
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: and so where we have yourselves a great Easter weekend.

1047
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: We do not have a show Sunday. That is the

1048
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: only Sunday that we take off all year on Easter.

1049
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: We will be back Tuesday that we're gonna pay you back.

1050
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: We're just gonna move the show down the road forty

1051
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: eight hours, So Tuesday Thursday next week, it's gonna feel

1052
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: like November around here until then for producer Jesse and

1053
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: director Colin. I am Josh Pate. Have yourselves a great

1054
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: Easter weekend. Take here, Goblins,