1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,199 Speaker 1: Hello Texans. Welcome to the podcast. Mark Vandermar John Harris 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: with you as we miss Texans All Access on Sports 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Radio six ten during this period where we will be 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: not on the air, but we will be on the 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: air the day after the Super Bowl. But we're on 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: the air here and you're listening to us to work. 7 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Grateful Johnny. All right, let's get into some of these 8 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: candidates for the Houston Texans coaching vacancy, and let's start 9 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: with the latest announcement Jonathan gan in Philadelphia Eagles defensive 10 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: coordinator gut reaction. My friend, Well, the first thing I 11 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: thought of, you know, he's got Indianapolis ties, and then 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: he went to Philadelphia, and the first thing I thought 13 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: of was buddy of mine, fran Duffy, sort of the 14 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: the guy who does the film work, kind of the 15 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: me of Philadelphia who I love and I've gotten to 16 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: know over the years. There's fans of you, now, I 17 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: mean Franz. I mean he's a straight shooter and he 18 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: just the way that he spoke about Gannon was so ebulent, 19 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: I mean he was so effervescing his praise of like, boy, 20 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: we really like him. Hopefully we can keep him. And 21 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: that seemingly the you know this is this is not 22 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: your older brothers coaching search, not not just the Texans, 23 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: I'm talking across the board. You know, the thought of, well, 24 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: this guy has to have been a coordinator at some point, 25 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: he's had to spend five years as a coordinator. All 26 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: those kind of old school thoughts are out the window there. 27 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: Get rid of them, because that's not the way coaching 28 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: searches are are going to be done anymore. And I 29 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: look at these coaching candidates, and you look at gin 30 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: He's had one year as a defensive coordinator for the 31 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: Philadelphi Eagles. Well, Mark, think back to when you got 32 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: into the league nine note Dom Capers is already here. 33 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: But that would never That would never fly back in 34 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: two thousand and two. Never fly in two thousand and two. Well, 35 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: you only have one year coordinating a defense, how is 36 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: he going to coordinate an entire football team? Things have changed, man, 37 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: Things have really changed, and not just in football, but 38 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: in also sports. You know, you think about what goes 39 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: on in baseball with the heavy reliance on analytics and 40 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: what managers are supposed to do with pitchers, et cetera. 41 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: Everything's changed, and so this coaching Higher is probably gonna 42 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: be a little bit different. You're gonna see and hear 43 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: names that are like Wall Wait a second, that guy's 44 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: only coached two years, like High's Ward. But the things 45 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: that you're now looking for in a head coach, they 46 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: may be president some of those guys. So Jonathan Gannon 47 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: is definitely one of those guys. He's a close friend 48 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: Brandon Staley. My guess is as close friends typically are, 49 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: they probably think about ball in a different way. Obviously 50 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: You've seen that with Brandon Staley with the LA Chargers 51 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: and his reliance and analytics and his thoughts on defense, 52 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: and his defense in particular is very vibrant and different. 53 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: Even though the Texans ran all over it, they were 54 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: missing Joey Bosa, Darwin James. But it's a defense that 55 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: as you have the players to go along with it, 56 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: it's one that can be very adaptable week to week. 57 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: And I'm not talking game plan defense or anything like that, 58 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: but it can be different. So Jonathan Gan's a really 59 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: exciting candidate to think about, even though it's only been 60 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: one year. And oh, by the way, who's the team 61 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: you hate worse than poison Indianapolis? And who would you 62 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: might have some inside information from walking in the building. Hey, 63 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: that doesn't it doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt. Oh yeah, 64 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: to know how the other side thinks, Hey, I know 65 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: what they do in this situation. I know what they 66 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: like in this situation. To be able to think that way, 67 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: I think is very helpful. I mean, I see you 68 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: with Rabel with the Tennessee Titans. I know that there 69 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: were times that he probably sat there and went, I 70 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: know how that coaching staff thinks. I know how they're 71 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: going to approach this. So I think that can help. 72 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Even if it's just worth that much, it's worth an inch, 73 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: you take it. He coached DB's there, and he was 74 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: with Sirianni. I mean, Sirianni's on the other side obviously 75 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: at the time. But Sirianni brought him with him to 76 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: Philadelphia and they had a really good year relatively. I mean, 77 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: this team looked like it was left for dead. Weren't 78 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: they two and five? When they end up making the playoffs. 79 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: That's never happened a minute. It happened here. So I 80 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: like that they did that for them, and they did 81 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: it with an offense that's not exactly Look Janleen Hurts. 82 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: I like him. He's very likable, but he's not exactly 83 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. Yet they found a way to get themselves 84 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: into the playoffs and played better defensively as the season 85 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: went on. And I know that division's not that great, 86 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: but they got the job done and they got it 87 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: to the postseason, and good for them. I know it 88 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: didn't go well against Tampa Bay, but gannon interesting. You know, 89 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: you bring up a lot of good points here. I 90 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: think for Nick Kasserio, and I know he's on sports 91 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: Radio six ten on Tuesday morning and we have an 92 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: article on the website about that said a lot of 93 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: interesting things, you know, for him, Johnny, you've got to 94 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: be able to get along. We all know that you 95 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: have to have alignment. You have to have this working 96 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: in an ensemble kind of way, effectively. Thing going about 97 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: you here. Because you have the whole staff, you're gonna 98 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: disagree on some things. You're gonna have to find a 99 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: way to break those ties. And for any incoming coach 100 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: who does not have head coaching experience, there's just a 101 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: big difference. I'll always say this, I don't care where 102 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: the guy comes from. There's a big difference in sitting 103 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: in the big chair and having to address the team 104 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: every day and make really tough team decisions. Having Nick 105 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: around does help. And I'll tell you what else helps 106 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: having Nick around after a year of going through what 107 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: Nick's gone through as the guy sitting in the big 108 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: chair for the first time as the GM, now he's 109 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: done it in New England by Belichick's there. Now he's 110 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: been here as the exclusive, the soul guy as the 111 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: general manager. I think that really helps him. But Gannon 112 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: is he's an interesting candidate. I think a couple of 113 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: guys came up as surprises, and that would be Hines 114 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: Ward and Joe Lombardi. And let's go over Lombardi first. 115 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: I talked to Bobby Abert, who played quarterback for the Saints. 116 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: Covers the Saints, WWL and New Orleans and all that, 117 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: and he said he's a clone of Sean Payton and 118 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: a Pete Carmichael, a combination clone because those guys have 119 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: different personalities. But he feels like he's a lot like 120 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: those guys. His football IQ and what he values in football. 121 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: And look, the Chargers were fourth on offense. I know 122 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: he had a good quarterback to work with. He always 123 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: had a good quarterback to work with during his time 124 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: with the Saints. But he's an interesting candidate nonetheless, and 125 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: not one that was on this national radar going into 126 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: last weekend. Well, thinking back to Nick's press conference, which 127 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: I can't remember what day was, I guess it was 128 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: a Friday day. It was Friday, and you know, he 129 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: brought up he brought up Mike Tomlin. I don't know 130 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: if he was prompted by that, but he brought up 131 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, who I always find really interesting to think 132 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: about when it comes to coaching hires. Now that it 133 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: was in two thousand and seven, the Rooney Rule was 134 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: really in its infancy, and it obviously was named for Yes, 135 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: the Rooney's in Pittsburgh, and they were the ones that 136 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: pushed the opportunity for minorities, for women to have opportunities 137 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: to interview for these high ranking jobs GM, head coach, etc. 138 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: And they were trying to fulfill the last part, essentially 139 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: trying to satisfy the Rooney Rule by bringing in this, 140 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, hot shot one year defensive coordinator from Minnesota 141 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: named Mike Tomlin. They brought him in and they're blown 142 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: away by him, and nobody saw it coming all of 143 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: a sudden, It's like, wait a second, you're going You're 144 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: going from Chuck Noll to Bill Kauer to some dude 145 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: who has like one year coordinating a defense. I mean, 146 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: everybody's up in arms. And then Tomlin took over, and 147 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: obviously the rest is history. Now, Joe Lombardi, it's probably 148 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: a little bit more known. I guess from the standpoint 149 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: that he's been able to coordinate offenses. He's been more 150 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: a part of that, I suppose over a certain number 151 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: of years. And obviously, you know, he's the grandson of 152 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: Vince Lombardi, which is always cool to talk about. But 153 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: his dad I met his dad many many years ago. 154 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: It's Lombardi junior, and you know, his dad didn't really 155 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: get the football bug. He went into business, and it 156 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: was the grandson, Joe Lombardi who did, who's the same 157 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: age as May was, actually went to the Air Force academy. 158 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: I was thinking, but he's a guy that I think 159 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: about in that same vein of Tomlin. A guy that 160 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: walks in I would think he's been around the game 161 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: for a while. If he walks in, there an impressive 162 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: interview like whoa okay, and how could you not want 163 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: some sort of linkage to one of the better offenses 164 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: that there's ever been. I thought you're gonna say linkage 165 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: to Lombardi. No, no, no, no, no, no, to Sean Payton. Yeah, 166 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: you know that offense. And of course, I mean it 167 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: doesn't hurt that you. At some point, I would imagine 168 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: you could put up a picture of his gram pops 169 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: up in the office, which kind of nice. Um. The 170 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,599 Speaker 1: point being having a connection to Sean Payton and what 171 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: that offense has done and what you what you take 172 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: in through osmosis, if you will. I mean, it's it's 173 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: funny because when you know we're talking about you know, 174 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: Joe Lombardi is not a guy that was seemingly on 175 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: radar screens. I know he has interviewed for head coaching jobs. 176 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: When you are somewhere for a while, you start to think. 177 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: You start like you said this to me all the time, 178 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: you throw something out there and you're like, I know 179 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: how you're gonna think about that. Well, you know we've 180 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: been together for eight years now, Yeah you're probably gonna know, 181 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: and I know how you're gonna think about things. You 182 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: start to kind of think like one, well, Joe Lombardi 183 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: was doing that with the Saints with Pete Carmichael, Wish, 184 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: Sean Payton, and I'm sure that hasn't gone away from him. 185 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: So to have that also as part of the resume, 186 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: I think is really interesting. I was glad, really glad 187 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: to see Joe Lombardi be a part of the discussion 188 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: because a guy that's been around an organization like the 189 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 1: Saints for so long, I'm sure there's a lot of 190 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: things that he can bring in. Not that it's polar 191 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: opposite of what's in New England, but the fact that 192 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: it's different, Yeah, I think is fascinating. To be honest, Yeah, 193 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: I think it is. And as long as they get along, 194 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, with him and with Gannon you have that. 195 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: Now with Gannon you have the John Carroll tie in 196 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: with Nick for whatever that's worth. But look, maybe it 197 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: does mean something. Who knows, all right, hines Ward, This 198 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: kind of blew me away a bit. I thought, hines Ward, 199 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: really is he coaching? He was with the Jets and 200 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: now with Florida Atlantic, so at least he's coaching, which 201 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: shows me one thing that's very important here. It's not 202 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: like you're taking former player who has not been in 203 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: the coaching grind. He's familiar at the very least with 204 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: the grind of it, because there's no I worried about 205 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: that with dion Sanders going to college like the grind 206 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: of it. Does Dionne understand this because the TV life 207 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: is very different from the coaching life. As we all know, 208 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: I don't care what level you're at, there are hours 209 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: involved that I wasn't sure, you know, I wasn't doubting him, 210 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: but I wasn't sure that he was totally aware. Of course, 211 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: he's aware of it, but aware of the wear and 212 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: tear effect on his own body and his own being 213 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: being able to survive through that and thrive through that, 214 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: which he has obviously especially recruiting. My gosh, But anyway, 215 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: Hind's Ward has been through it with the Jets, now 216 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: with Florida Atlantic and Bill Hillgrove, voice of the Steelers, 217 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: told me, this guy's a born leader. You know, I 218 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: thought he when he said born, I thought it was 219 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: gonna be win no born lee, And I love that. 220 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: I love that about Hines Ward, that he's a leader 221 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: and obviously he is a winner, and he's a guy 222 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: who knows how to talk to people. He's got a 223 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: great deal of experience doing that, so I think that 224 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,599 Speaker 1: makes him intriguing. I don't know what he's gonna do 225 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: as a head coach. I don't know if he's going 226 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: to be a head coach, but I'm down with it. 227 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: Go ahead and talk to as many people as possible. 228 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: You know, why what else? It's like free agency or 229 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: pre draft interviews. Right, this is one round. Some of 230 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: these guys might be available as coordinators later, maybe something 231 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: happens God forbid with your head coach down the line 232 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, and then you have another decision 233 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: to make. But it behooves you to get as much 234 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: information on all these individuals as possible. There's a part 235 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: of me that hopes that Nick and everybody interview about 236 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: twenty guys and women men. I don't care. I mean 237 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: interview the number of people that you're interested in. And 238 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: I told us in the lab. The short version is, 239 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: after a couple of years of just coaching at junior high, 240 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: I had applied for the head coaching job at Bishop 241 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: Kenny High School, which is a Catholic school around a corner, 242 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: about three or four times bigger than the Episcopal and 243 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: in my mind I'm thinking, man, I'm twenty four. I 244 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: don't think I'm gonna get this, but you know what, 245 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go interview. My buddy knew the my buddy 246 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: who coached with me, had played for the ad over there. 247 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: I said, put it a good word, called me over 248 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: for an interview, and like the first words out of 249 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: his mouth were, look, I don't think he's gonna get 250 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: this job. But and so we chatted for I don't 251 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: know an hour, an hour and a half, and lo 252 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: and behold, they gave it to somebody else, a guy 253 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: who became a great friend of mine. And he said, 254 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: called John Harris because I'd like him on the staff. 255 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: And so he didn't even know me, but just that 256 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 1: interview opened things up for me to come over to 257 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: be a position coach. Well, things didn't go great for us. 258 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: Things didn't go great for coach, and so he moved 259 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: on after a year, and all of a sudden, come 260 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: the springtime, I already told them that I was leaving. 261 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: I was going I was gonna go back to graduate 262 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: school at that point, and they came to me and said, 263 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: you want to be the head coach, And I'm like, geez, 264 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: I'm like dumbfounded, like whoa, And I mean I still 265 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: I wasn't ready for it, But through that interview process, 266 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: I was able to kind of say, here's my football life, 267 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: here's what I believe in, here's who I am. And 268 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: I knew full well I wasn't going to get that job. 269 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: But the fact that maybe you weren't ready for it. 270 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: Was McVay ready for the Rams? Yes you were ready 271 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: for that job, Johnny. Yeah. But the point is they 272 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: interviewed me and a few other guys, and out of 273 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: that they got me to come there. So even if 274 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: some of these guys are thinking, look, maybe it's not 275 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: in the cards for that person to be the head coach, 276 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: but in the interview process, they're overwhelmed, like, man, we 277 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: love this guy. We want to bring this guy here, 278 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: we have the opportunity to do it. Let's see if 279 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: we can't get a hire with this particular coach and 280 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: then contact these other coaches. Now, look, everybody knows the game, 281 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: and everybody that walks in there has got to feel like, 282 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: you know, maybe that's a part of it. Maybe that's 283 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: what I'm doing. Maybe you say, hey, I want to 284 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: be the head coach, but in your mind you're going, 285 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: I just want to get into get in the building. 286 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: I just want to be on the coaching staff. I 287 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: want to see if I can impress them enough to 288 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: be part of what they're building, etc. And you move on. 289 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: So to me, if they interview twenty twenty five guys, 290 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: and maybe five to seven of them are guys that 291 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,599 Speaker 1: you would never think would be the head coach, but 292 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: there's an avenue for them somewhere in the building to 293 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: be part of it, So be it couch it as 294 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: a head coach interview and just have that interview so 295 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: people are and look, maybe it's for that opery that 296 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: maybe it's an opening opportunities for that coach elsewhere too. 297 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: I just think it's a win win on every situation. 298 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: You get to learn a little bit more. And of 299 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: course I go back to that Tomlin's story. Who's going 300 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: to know more about Mike Tomlin than hines Ward? And 301 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: by the way, I kind of want hines Ward with us. 302 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: I mean I really do, because what I think a 303 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: lot of people forget was back in his days at Georgia, 304 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: their quarterbacks all died. I don't know what happened to him. 305 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: They're all dead. They were done, and hines Ward went 306 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: to the coaching staff and said it think he's a freshman. 307 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: He said, I can do it. Put me a quarterback. 308 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: I'll figure it out. And they went one a ton 309 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: of games with him that particular year before he moved 310 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: back to wide receiver and they got Mike Bobo. And 311 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: to me, it's one of the things that just goes 312 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: to what more can you do? So everybody remembers him 313 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: as receiver. I remember that. That's one thing that always 314 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: stands out to me about hines Ward is stepping in 315 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: at quarterback when nobody, nobody was available. He did it, 316 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: and not only that, he won games doing it. So 317 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: I'd love to be able to talk to him about 318 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: that if hopefully they'll happen. If that is intriguing stuff, 319 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: no question about it. And the other thing is like, 320 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: as Nick is talking to all these guys, staff has 321 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: to come up. I mean, it has to be among 322 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: the first things they talk about. You know, because the 323 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: head coach is a head coach, it's monumentally important. But 324 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: who's working for him is also monumentally important because and 325 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: you and I have talked to you know, Bill O'Brien 326 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: and David Culley and all these coaches, and over the years, 327 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: one thing I've gleaned from talking to, you know, people 328 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: at Kubiak and Capers too, is that they really don't 329 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: coach the players as much as they coach the coaches. Right, 330 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: They've got to manage the coaches and be there for 331 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: the players and motivate the players and show direction and 332 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: vision for the players. But the coaches, the assistants coach 333 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: the players. You know. Every once in a while, I'll 334 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: b would get in there and mix it up and 335 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: like here, yeah, you're running around. Come on, you know, 336 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: he can only do so much. It's got to be 337 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: the assistants doing the job. So that's really important, which 338 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: brings me to my next candidate, Brian Flores, who look, 339 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by Flores because he's been in the big 340 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: chair and he's one, and he's one. I talked to 341 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: Joe Rose, who is with the Dolphins as their color 342 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: commentator WQAM Morning Drive, former Dolphin tight end caught two 343 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: TV's and the forty one thirty eight overtime lost to 344 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: San Diego and that classic playoff matchup at any One. Anyway, 345 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: he said he likes Flores. He thinks Flores can coach. 346 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: He thinks the players play hard for him. He thinks 347 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: that he's a motivator. Now, obviously stuff went on in 348 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: that building, right and you're seeing a lot of conflicting reports. 349 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to get into all that right now. 350 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: Just talking about Flores right now, I know. I mean, 351 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: just based on what I've seen and heard, the guy 352 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: can coach. Look at the results. The Dolphins have not 353 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: had back to back winning seasons in almost twenty years. 354 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: I mean that's saying something in that market where they 355 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: can't win, and he's done it down there. And I 356 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: know they haven't gone in the playoffs in one big 357 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: or whatever, but you know he could probably tell you why. 358 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: But one in seven start you go nine to eight. 359 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: I think that's pretty good in a seventeen game schedule. 360 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: And I don't know where it's all going with him, 361 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: but I think that he is somebody. Certainly, I'm glad 362 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: they're looking at him because he's got the experience and 363 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: he can win. There's no question. I mean we're talking 364 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: about and I mentioned earlier. Look, the head coach to 365 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: me needs to have qualities and experiences. I don't know 366 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,479 Speaker 1: if you need to have experience. I mean, I think 367 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: you look around the NFL and you see guys that 368 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: were on their second tour of duty. Belchick, Andy Reid, 369 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: that on big. But you know what, Andy Reid did 370 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: a great job in Philadelphia and was, you know, hardly 371 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: a coordinator with the Green Bay Packers. You know, John 372 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: Gruden went the first time John Gruden went to the 373 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders, he was outstanding and I think he was 374 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: a quarterbacks coach. So you know, they can come from 375 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: all different different types. What I like about Flores is 376 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: not only has he been a head coach, he was 377 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: a scout for a couple of years. He can coach 378 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: special teams, he coached defense. He's been part of a 379 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: lot of things that happened with the New England Patriots. 380 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: And I read a story about about Flores. This was 381 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: it was probably three or four years ago, and Flores, 382 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: I believe at the time, was a scout and he 383 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: went to somebody, to Patriots organization. I don't know if 384 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: it's Belichick or whomever, and he said, I think I 385 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: can do more. I think I can help the Patriots 386 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: by doing more. This is what I'd like to do. 387 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: And the Patriots were all right, not to say they 388 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: called his bluff, but they're like, Okay, we agree, we're 389 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: gonna have you moved to coaching. You're not gonna be 390 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: in coaching. Um, this is what we think you can do. 391 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: And he just kind of rose through the ranks of 392 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,239 Speaker 1: the Patriots and before you know what, he ends up 393 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: as a head coach to the Miami Dolphins. And I 394 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: think the scouting side sometimes helps these guys. And the 395 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: fact that he coached special teams. You know, he's gonna 396 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: know the last guy on the roster and how much 397 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: that guy matters, um, and in what that guy needs 398 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: to do. So I mean I'm intrigued by Flores, no doubt. 399 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: Um you know how the thing ended in Miami. I 400 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: think that's that's worth asking questions about. And Brian to 401 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: get some information if you're if you're nick and the 402 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: and the text and side of things, and and try 403 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: and and even though you may know Brian Flores a 404 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: great deal, did did something change? Is he's still the 405 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: same guy we remember, Because look, we all grow and 406 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: evolved as individuals, and sometimes we've all of going in 407 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: a direction that people don't think we're gonna go and 408 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: you know they have to sit down and have that conversation. 409 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: And I'm glad they did. But I think Brian Flores 410 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: can coach defense. I think he probably could take take 411 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: care of an offense. But manking coach. He led that 412 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: team to how many ever wins in a row, I 413 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: mean one and seven, you get him to nine and eight. 414 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: You're doing something right. You're doing something right. So, look, 415 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: you don't always I could speak to this. You don't 416 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 1: always get along with your A D or your general manager. 417 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't. You just have different ways of looking at things, 418 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: whether it's here or my case many many years ago. 419 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: It happens. Competitive people, but heads on some things and 420 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: if you can't work it out, then it's time to 421 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: move on and go somewhere else. And so if you 422 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: can do that and then succeed where you know, at 423 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: another location, great, Ronny. I don't know how you feel, 424 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: but looking at the amount of jobs open and the 425 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: amount of you know, the candidates, it's hard to rate 426 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: them because ultimately you don't know who's gonna work out. 427 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: But some of the bigger name games out there that 428 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: are getting a lot of attention, like Bryan Dable and 429 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: people like that you look around and I think it's 430 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: a seller's market. You know, if you're a qualified candidate, 431 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: there are a lot of teams looking And then you 432 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: wonder about GMS teams that are looking for GMS and coaches. Well, 433 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: that's tricky, right, you're interviewing a coach. Well, don't we 434 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: have to get the GM first? Are they gonna get along? 435 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: But who do you want to hire, mister GM candidate? 436 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: There's so many different questions to ask here. I'm just 437 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: glad for the Texans situation that we have the GM 438 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: in place, did some nice things this year with this 439 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: young group of players and everything, and the way you 440 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: set things up. Obviously you have to get the right 441 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: guy in here. But around the league, it's gonna be 442 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: interesting to see how all this shapes up in the 443 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. And then you have the playoffs 444 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: going on too. So a couple of quick thoughts here. Yeah, 445 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: first of all, a right, let's get into it now. 446 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: Your buddy sal in Buffalo, they got to be so happy. 447 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: That was so much fun to watch. I really enjoyed 448 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: that so much. That bludgeoning of the New England Patriots, 449 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it was thrilling. I can't believe that 450 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: New England couldn't figure out a way to at least 451 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: slow them down. They just never did. And credit Josh 452 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: Allen because hey, you know what the calendar says January 453 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: and it says playoffs. I'm running. I am running. And 454 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: he threw the ball very well. But obviously when you 455 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: have to defend everything like that with him, it's a nightmare. 456 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 1: And it was on a zero degree night. So how 457 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: many years, how many years we go toe to toe 458 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: with the Patriots and couldn't beat those suckers, I mean, 459 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: you couldn't beat him. Then finally in twenty nineteen and 460 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: Sunday night, we do it, and we do it in 461 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: that manner where a packed house finally exercising demons. In 462 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: some sense, I think what people forget. Obviously, the Bills 463 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: been to plays in twenty nineteen because they came to playoffs. 464 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: But last year when they had that season, they had 465 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: no fans none, oh the entire season until they got 466 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: to the playoffs, and then they could only have like 467 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: five to six thousand fans. And I texted Sala Sal 468 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: and I were texting a little bit, and it's so interesting. 469 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: The poll that that organization the Patriots has and the 470 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: impact that's had on the Bills. It's like, you know, 471 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: and I told Sala's like, look as long as Josh 472 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: it's okay, Y are better than He's like, yeah, I know, man, 473 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: But Belichick. Belichick, they had such a poll in force, 474 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, sixty five seventy thousand people to all together 475 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: exercise their demons with the butt kick, and they put 476 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: on a Patriots I mean, you know, I texted so 477 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: out to the game. It was like he's on a high, like, yeah, 478 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, I can't. I mean that's the way then. 479 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they stuck around. The fans stuck around because 480 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: they didn't get to celebrate all of that last year 481 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: with this team. They didn't have that opportunity. But then 482 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: they get the opportunity in a first round playoff game 483 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: against that team in their building. It was a sixty 484 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: minute plus celebration. I mean, it was just it was 485 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: incredible to watch. I was happy for him. I hate 486 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: the fact the Bills now have to play the Chiefs 487 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: because the Bills the Chiefs right now are the two 488 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: best teams in the FC. Blas talked about it when 489 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: we played the Titans, I think the Titans with Henry 490 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: good team. I think they're beatable. I think the Bills 491 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: Chiefs both beat the Titans. I think the Bengals are 492 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: gonna get the Titans all they can handle, well all 493 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: they can handle. I was gonna ask you that what 494 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: is it gonna take? And we'll have another one of 495 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: these before the end of the week. But the Bengals 496 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: have to beat the Titans. This has to happen. Okay, 497 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: Texans fans, you're Bengals fans. I've assigned you to be 498 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: Bengals fans this week. Have to knock the Titans out immediately. Here. 499 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: They got to buy They get Henry back, maybe, but 500 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: he's full contact practice. I think they can do it. 501 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: But man, you just gotta bring some friends on defense 502 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: to stop Derek Henry because Burrow can light that defense up, 503 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: you know he can do. They have the offensive line 504 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: to hold up against Simmons and those guys on rest. 505 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: That's the that's the sixty four million dollar question. I think. 506 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: I think they're They'll have to use Joe Mixing in 507 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: the past protection, which takes him out as a receiver, 508 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: which is tough. But if Mixing can help give Burrow time, 509 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: he'll slice them to death. Here's the other thing I 510 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: think about. I think, and I felt like there was 511 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: a massive, massive amount of pressure on the Bengals, massive 512 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: amount they're carrying. They're carrying thirty one years of just 513 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: we've gotten close, we can't get over. Then they do it, 514 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: and they do it in that fashion, and yeah, they'll 515 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: celebrate all week, and they've been celebrating, but they have 516 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: no pressure. Now the pressure all goes to the number 517 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: one seed with the by playing at home, the Titans 518 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: carry all the pressure. And I'm telling you, Joe Burrow 519 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: and Jamar Chase and those guys playing loose and free 520 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: scares me to death if I'm a Titans fan, which 521 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm not, so I'm excited, totally excited to see a 522 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: team that Yeah, I got a couple of key wins 523 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: down to stretch, but I don't think the Titans showed 524 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: much anything. That Bengals team could score the best of me. 525 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: They make this a shootout. My goodness, you're reminded me 526 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: of It reminded me of twenty seven team with the Jags. 527 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: The Jags just couldn't do anything that game and gets 528 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: Buffalo in that playoff game. But they got just enough 529 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: to win the first playoff win and forever Dulas County celebrated. 530 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: They had to go to Pittsburgh, and Pittsburgh was the 531 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: number two seed, and they went to Pittsburgh and just 532 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: let it all hang out and they beat the but 533 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: Jesus out of Pittsburgh that weekend and then got to 534 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: the AFC Championship game. I think the Bengals could could 535 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: fit into that category. I don't know if I'm ready 536 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: to pick the Bengals just yet. And it really doesn't 537 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: matter about Henry or not. They got DJ Reader up front, 538 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: they got some dudes on defense. I could play a 539 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: little bit. They just can't let the game get away 540 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: from them so that they're all the way chasing. If 541 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: they don't, I think they got a great shot to 542 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: beat to beat the Titans. T My rooting interests in 543 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: the AFC are so clearly defined because I hate Kansas City. 544 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: They have to go down. The Bills have to win 545 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: that game, and the Bengals have to beat the Titans 546 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: quickly here NFC. Look, you know those videos on Twitter, 547 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: like satisfying videos accounts where it's just like, you know, 548 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: stuff pouring into stuff, and it's all balanced and satisfying. 549 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: This weekend, watching the Patriots lose that way was so satisfying, 550 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: and watching the Cowboys lose was so satisfying. It really was, 551 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: and it was a beautiful thing to see. And we 552 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: are fresh with that San Francisco memory, and I'm watching 553 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 1: that game, thinking, we had these guys like down at 554 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: the half, and there we were ten seven down in 555 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, and look what they're doing at Dallas 556 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: and the playoffs in Big d I know they have 557 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: Garoppolo playing, but he was hardly perfect. I mean, he 558 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: threw the pick that enabled the Cowboys to get right 559 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: back into the game, and you can see why. You 560 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: can see why they drafted to drain Lance and they 561 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: went so aggressively after him. But I guess like they 562 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: feel like we gotta play Garoppolo. He just unders dance 563 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: way too much about the game at this point. And 564 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: Shannon said something interesting that Jimmy will shake off a 565 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: pick very quickly. However, I don't think they let him 566 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: throw it after that, so there. Yeah. Also, I'm pretty 567 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: sure it was straight handoff city, but that that play 568 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: at the end, obviously everyone's talking about around the league. 569 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: It was when he took off and round I thought, 570 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: are you kidding? You better make it to the end 571 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: zone because this ain't gonna work. You know, I had 572 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: no faith in that spot working. Your thoughts in general 573 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: on that one, Okay, I got a couple thoughts. Number one, 574 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: I'm want to go back to the twenty nineteen NFL draft. Okay, 575 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: the last the last pick in the first round was 576 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: in New England Patriots. Do you remember who they selected 577 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: last pick of the first round of twenty nineteen wide 578 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: receiver Nick Hill Harry from Arizona State. Four picks later, 579 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers selected Deebo Samuel of the 580 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: forty nine ers. Imagine can you imagine what they would 581 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: be doing with Deebo Samuel? And if that doesn't have 582 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: your attention? At pick number fifty one, fifteen picks later, 583 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: the next receiver off the board, are you a J 584 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: Brown Tennis and Titans? What? And if that didn't get you, 585 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: the next receiver off the board came at pick number 586 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: fifty six, Kole Hardman from the Kansas Kansas City Chiefs. 587 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: The Patriots passing all three of those guys to get 588 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: to and thank god they did because could you imagine 589 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel with that group in New England. Oh anyways, 590 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: so that's one thing, here's this. Here's the other thing. 591 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: And I saw it when I saw when I saw 592 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: Dak takeoff, the first thought is WTF. Then I looked 593 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: at the clock and went, they could do this. I 594 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: get this kind of And you know what I thought 595 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: about twenty eighteen at Indie, There's a eighteen seconds left 596 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: and DeShawn threw that slant route to Hop and when 597 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: DeShawn got to the line of scrimmage behind the line, 598 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: everybody was set with like seven seconds left. And all 599 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: this is going in my mind because DeShawn then waited 600 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: till they were like three seconds left, snapped that, spiked it. 601 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: We kicked it on the next play and won the game. 602 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: But I thought eighteen seconds to me was always kind 603 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: of the cutoff from that perspective. But we did that 604 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: so cleanly that we were ready to go with like seven. 605 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: So I can imagine Dallas practiced that over and over 606 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: and over again. Here's the spot is crucial, Like well 607 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: that in mind, it's not so much the spot, but 608 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: as soon as Dak got up, he needed to run 609 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: the ball. Over to the umpire and give him the ball, 610 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: but he was still way behind them. At that point. 611 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: I needed to let for him, but he needed to 612 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: look for him to give him the ball, and everybody 613 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: had to get out of the way so that he 614 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: could put it down. And that was your opportunity. Here's 615 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: the other thing. With fourteen seconds left, and I know 616 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: at that point the forty nine ers are finally playing 617 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: cover six sidelines. They got three guys in each sideline. 618 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: I'd have much rather taken two shots at the end 619 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: zone throwing the ball because I've got a couple of 620 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: really good receivers, Like, let them go up and get one, 621 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: because you're gonna get two shots at I much rather 622 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: would have done that, because the closer you get and 623 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: gonna get it jams up. It's so hard to throw 624 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: a hail Mary from this thirty right right. Give me 625 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: two attempts at pay dirt as opposed to one and 626 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: then another one that's a little bit closer, And does 627 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: that really help me? It helps me and maybe a 628 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: little you could argue that, but it's only one attempt 629 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: versus two from what was it, the forty forty two 630 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: whatever it was somewhere somewhere around there. Yeah, it's it's 631 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: a hail Mary, but not quite a hail Mary. But 632 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: it's pretty much a hail mary. Yeah, I mean so 633 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: what so so two of them? If you don't justin Herbert, 634 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: he's throwing a frozen theater rope into the end zone, 635 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: depositing it into the cavity of a receiver. I mean 636 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: just but but Deck's not that well, you know. And 637 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: now the world is finally starting to notice that since 638 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: the Texans joined the league, really since the Cowboys last 639 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl, that Houston has more playoff wins 640 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: than the Cowboys. Not that that's something to hang a 641 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: banner about, but they I'm gonna bring it up and 642 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: the Texans will be at Dallas next year. Johnny, thanks 643 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: a lot for the time. Appreciate it. Mark, thank you. 644 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: That's it for the podcast. Will have plenty more coming 645 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: your way as the Texans add to the head coaching 646 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: candidate list. Stay tuned for more and check out the 647 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: Texans app for all the other podcasts, articles, everything, Go Texans.