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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f HF Gear,

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Speaker 1: American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed

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Speaker 1: to be as rugged as the place as we explore.

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Speaker 1: I love it. If there's one thing I love about

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Speaker 1: being having a bear Grease podcast and such is that

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Speaker 1: you guys have no choice if you show up of

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Speaker 1: what I get to say and do. And I am

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Speaker 1: not a talented musician, like that is not a secret,

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Speaker 1: but I love to play and sing, and so Misty

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Speaker 1: says that the only reason I do this is because

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Speaker 1: I make someone sit and listen to play. Well, you've

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Speaker 1: been trapped to hear us, But I do have something

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Speaker 1: pretty cool. We're gonna we're gonna play only two songs

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Speaker 1: and then we're gonna jump into the podcast. But the

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Speaker 1: first song we're gonna play has never been played publicly before.

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Speaker 1: It's a song that I wrote and it's called the

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Speaker 1: Ballot of a Backwoods Then yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And

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Speaker 1: for those of you that fall along, you know that

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Speaker 1: we have a We have a hall of fame in

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease world. Y'all know the Bear Grease Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. It's a real man, it's not a joke.

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Speaker 1: And the first, the first duct team to the Bear

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Speaker 1: Grease Hall of Fame, it was a man by the

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Speaker 1: name of James Lawrence says he is a man by

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Speaker 1: the name of James Lawrence. James Lawrence lives with Mina, Arkansas. Dear,

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Speaker 1: dear friend of mine. James Lawrence is a He's an

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Speaker 1: incredible mountain deer hunter. He's spent his whole life out

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Speaker 1: carried in my mind an intangible quality of the mountain

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Speaker 1: people of Arkansas. Humble, earnest, art working, independent. And what

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Speaker 1: I loved about James is nobody ever told him he

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Speaker 1: that's stage one. Stage two of stuff I gotta say

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Speaker 1: this song is about, because it's it's quite specific. There's

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Speaker 1: there's several reference points that are gonna help you understand it.

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Speaker 1: First of all, there's a reference of the Constatat River.

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Speaker 1: will hear the term shock pouching in this song. Do

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Speaker 1: y'all know y'all know what a shock pouch is? Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's a that's when. That's an old mountain way that

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Speaker 1: James Lawrence's grandmother taught him how to do to carry

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Speaker 1: He loved his Mama, and he loved his call raised

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Speaker 1: a cycle, recks about Dinny man broke his neck, tell

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Speaker 1: in his books like Time to Gold and when you

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Speaker 1: need a friend to be by your side and you

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Speaker 1: tell Buck you love the lambright Great time guy. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Live Beargreas Render Podcast. Thank you guys so

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Speaker 1: much for coming. It means a lot to me and

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Speaker 1: Misty and I know all of Beargrease people for for

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Speaker 1: travel the long ways to get here, all the way

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Speaker 1: means a lot to me that everybody would would drive

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Speaker 1: So that's awesome. And I don't I don't do this

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Speaker 1: Brent Reeves. Brent's from down in the swamps. Brent does

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Speaker 1: not like being called a hillbilly. I mean, he's like, well,

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Speaker 1: call him biscuits. One time I called Brenda hillbilly and

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Speaker 1: mowing our grass. This is my This is my wife,

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Speaker 1: Misty Nucam. Yeah, yeah, man, I think it's pretty cool

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Speaker 1: that I can have my wife with me on my podcast.

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Speaker 1: James Brandenburg, James is uh, he's he's a big wig

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Speaker 1: Nucom were, where's dad at? Is he over there? Where's

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Speaker 1: it was more geared toward uh people's associations with bear hunting.

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00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: How long have you bear hunted? You know, have you

428
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: bear hunted zero, two years or fifteen years? Or you know,

429
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: how did you learn to bear hunt? Like doctor Ballard

430
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: was saying, you know, did you learn it through podcasts?

431
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: Did you learn it through agency employees? Did you learn

432
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: it through a newspaper articles or magazine articles. So a

433
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: lot of it was geared toward trying to trying to

434
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: quantify or put on paper what the attitudes are towards

435
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: bear hunting across the state. And you know, social science

436
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: isn't just new to game and fish. It's new a

437
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: lot of natural resource agencies around, but it's becoming an

438
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: ever more important part of our management goals or strategies

439
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: is to incorporate social science attitudes of the public into that.

440
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: You know, we had a targeted audience bear hunt successful

441
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: bear hunters. You know, hopefully in the future we could

442
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: expand that to What I would like to see is if, if,

443
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: and when we ever have a licensed system in place

444
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: where I'm able to determine how many bear hunters we

445
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: have in the state, I would like to send that

446
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: survey out to you know, not successful and unsuccessful bear hunters. Yeah,

447
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: so it's it's a lot of it's geared aimed at

448
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: determining attitudes more than it is like someone's success rating

449
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: things like that. Is there anything you can point to

450
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: that you learned from that? Oh, yeah, there's a lot

451
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: of stuff I learned. Uh, there's a there's a lot

452
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: bigger culture out there about utilization of bare parts other

453
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: than meat. And you know, I kind of suspected it,

454
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: but you know, you don't know if you hear about

455
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: people rendering down fad or you know, doing things making soap,

456
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: like one of the gentlemen here gave me some soap. Uh,

457
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: you hear about people doing that, but you think, well,

458
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: you don't know if you know, those are outliers in

459
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: the general consensus of how people utilize bears. Why they

460
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: want to hunt bears, they want to hunt it for

461
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: all things included, or just the meat or just a trophy.

462
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: But actually, like sixty five percent or more of the

463
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: people that responded in it utilize several parts of the bears,

464
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: not just the meat. Yeah, and so that's really good

465
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: to know. It helps me as a manager understand, you know,

466
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: how people want to utilize bears, which is important. You know,

467
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: it's not just all about people harvesting bears. As I said,

468
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of let me say something about that.

469
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: The oftentimes in talking to people just about hunting in general,

470
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: you'll talk to somebody and say, yeah, a bear hunt,

471
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: and they'll they'll go, I, you know, I don't know

472
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: if I'd want to kill a bear. I don't know

473
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: if I'd want to eat it or not. And there

474
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: are parts of the country that have that for years,

475
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: manage bears in a depredation way, like some of that

476
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: states out west, like you don't legally have to take

477
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: the meat. That's just old school way that they did things. Okay,

478
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: I can't understand that. Yeah, that that's an old mentality.

479
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: What what we're doing now and what Daniel Boone did

480
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: and Jim dogg It did and you know, is we're

481
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: utilizing more of a black bear than ninety nine point

482
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: nine nine percent of people use of a white tail,

483
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: of an elk, of a quail, of a turkey. I mean,

484
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: we're most bears that are killed are the hide is

485
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: gonna be tanned. I mean most people that kill a

486
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: But I've never killed a bear that I didn't tan

487
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: the hide. Um, we're rendering the fat and we're using

488
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: the meat. And I mean, you know, when's the last

489
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: How many dear have you killed in your life? How

490
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: many tan hides have you got at your house? You know?

491
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: Not many? So that is a powerful tool to be like, man,

492
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: we absolutely utilize these animals that were taken, and I

493
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: think that's really cool. And again, just another another mechanism

494
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: that helps people understand bear hunting. Really Oh yeah, man,

495
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: we use we use everything. So that's that's good. You know,

496
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: when one of the other questions was geared at, you know,

497
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: how did you learn How did you learn to bear hunt?

498
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: You know, did you learn through podcasts or social media

499
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: this day and age? Or do you have friends that

500
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: bear hunt? Did you learn from friends? Did you learn

501
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: from family members? You know? So it kind of speaks

502
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: to the whether or not there is a quote tradition

503
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: of bear hunting in the Bear state. So it's you know,

504
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: it's it's aimed at determining a lot of things like

505
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: that that you know, I can sit here and speculate

506
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: all day long, you know, how what I get, what

507
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: the feedback I get is about just but that doesn't

508
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: necessarily put it on paper, you know. Yeah, so yeah,

509
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: it's very very good information. Who's got the best bear

510
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: story up here from last year? Josh, you didn't hunt, James,

511
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: you hunted? Yeah, I saw a bear, didn't you. Yeah.

512
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: I walked one up. I'm not gonna say where it was,

513
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: don't tell it, but I was. I was hunting on

514
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: public land and walking along about. I was deer hunting, actually,

515
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: and I stopped in a spot, set my pack down,

516
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: hung out for a while. I got hungry, like I'm

517
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: gonna get my pack and get a snack out. I

518
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: turned around. I had about set my pack down in

519
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: a pile of bear scat. Didn't realize it at the time,

520
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: and it was fresh. So then all of a sudden,

521
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: I's kind of on a bear hunt and a deer hunt.

522
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: And I kept on throughout the day, and I moved

523
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: a little farther along and got down below this bluff

524
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: line and got warm. I stopped and taking some layers off,

525
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: and I turned around behind me. There's this bear just

526
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: staring at me. It's like a couple of rocks like this,

527
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: and thirty yards probably no more in yards. Late season

528
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: two November. Yeah, Yeah, so um, looked at him, and

529
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: it was legal. I could have shot him. Put the

530
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: gun up, look out his muzzleloader hunting. Um and uh

531
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: and this was on a permit hunt. That's why he's

532
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: muzzleloader hunting in November, Myron, because because you know this

533
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: was this was a special permit for that. And uh,

534
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: looked at him, put my gun down, looked at him

535
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: with my two eyes. I'm like, well, heck, yeah, put

536
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: the gun back up, and he was gone, like the

537
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: black mist over the fence. He disappeared, disappeared. I mean

538
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: I looked for stood there for five minutes with my binoculars,

539
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: looking all over the hillside everything. I have no idea

540
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: where he went, but I climbed up there, and I

541
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: mean there's a pile of scat up there as big

542
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: around as my hat. Nice big spot was all worn

543
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: out where he just been hanging out, just waiting for winter.

544
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: And I went back in hunting him a couple more times,

545
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: but I never get never got on him. So that's

546
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: pretty good for two James killed the bear on public

547
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: land the year before, right yep. Yeah, So that that's

548
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: a good encouragement for people. You heard me speak highly

549
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: of baiting bears, which we can on private land, but

550
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of public land in Arkansas and

551
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: you can you can kill him on public land. It's

552
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: a it's a. It's much harder. It's much harder. It

553
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: takes a lot more work, and it's my favorite hunt

554
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: on planet Earth for real. Like the moose I got.

555
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: I killed a moose in Alaska last year. Man, I

556
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: throw that moose in the river. To kill a big

557
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: black bear on public land in Arkansas. I better not

558
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: tell your boss that you stole that shot, remember I did.

559
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: They didn't show all that. I'll tell the story about

560
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: that sometimes. Um No, I mean I'm exaggerating a little bit,

561
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: not much, but hunting bear on public land in Arkansas

562
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: is um you know you're going to big to simplify it.

563
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: And we've talked about it extensively. Actually the best thing

564
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: if you really want to know. I had a couple

565
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: of guys today ask me about public land bear hunt

566
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: in Arkansas on the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast, which is

567
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: still up there is uh. We spent episodes talking like

568
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: talking as much as we knew how to talk about

569
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: killing bear on public land. That's still on there. Kobe,

570
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: do you remember it in the names any of those

571
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: episodes bear Hunting, bear Hunting for Dummies. Yeah, I was

572
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: the dummy. Yeah, and look what it did for you.

573
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: I know. I'm still Yeah, there's a lot. There's a

574
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: lot to be said for that kind of stuff. Hey,

575
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of moms and wives and children here.

576
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 1: Raise your hand if you are here as a supportive person,

577
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: but you yourself are not a bear hunter. Big big

578
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: hand raise. Hey, that's awesome as awesome kudos for you guys.

579
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: I just want to say when Clay talked about killing

580
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: his first bear, he was twenty one, and we had

581
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: just found out that I was. I was pregnant with

582
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: our first our oldest daughter. She's not here. Two of

583
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: our our boys are here, Baron shep are over there,

584
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: but our girls. We had just found out I was.

585
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 1: I was pregnant with Willow, and like a lot of women,

586
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: we found out that I was anemic. And so one

587
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: of the things that you got to do is pump

588
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: up your iron levels, and it turned out that wild

589
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: meat was a great way to do that, and so

590
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I got into to eating wild game,

591
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: because bear meat tasted so much better than dear meat,

592
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: those game, those gamey wild bucks as for protein than

593
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: it does. And so that's how we started eating bear meat.

594
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: And we were like broke. I mean, we were college

595
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: students and pregnant with our first kid, and he had

596
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: this two hundred fifty pounds of bear meat that he

597
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: brought in and I had to learn how to cook it.

598
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: And you know, you got to learn how to cook

599
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: it because it's not you know, it's not like grocery grocery,

600
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: the stuff you buy the grocery store. But oh yeah,

601
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: over the years, as our kids grew up, they all

602
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: started bear hunting. And I got to sit with Shep

603
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: on his first bear, because you know, you have to

604
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: have an adult sit with you, and so I got

605
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: to sit with Shep on his first bear. It was

606
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: Shep and me and James Lawrence who Clay just sang

607
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: that song about. I called James. He had a walkie

608
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: talkie and I had a waukie talkie and Clay and

609
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: Bear and River, our other daughter. They were out too

610
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: far to help us, and James and Sheff and I

611
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: went and found that bear chef accidentally sprayed the woods

612
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: with bear spray. So that was fun for James and

613
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: I mainly Chef and I and then last year, I

614
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: think a lot of you've heard bear story about going

615
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: out and hunting and as a you know, just being

616
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: sent out to public land for three days and we

617
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: kind of hung around for that. Last year, Clay was

618
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: you know, Bear is named Bear. I mean, that's that's

619
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: how much this guy loves bears. Be named his son

620
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: Sun Bear, and Bears kind of grown up hunting and

621
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: it's been really cool to watch his his migration from

622
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: just like the guy that took pictures whenever we got

623
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: the big Bear to the guy who's out there taking

624
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: care of business. And he last year Clay was out,

625
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: he was out a lot, traveling to different places. And

626
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: so Bear took on the mantle of that gorgeous the

627
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: Kentucky water pronounced Moulay. But Bear went out and baited

628
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: the bear all by himself to get it ready for

629
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: Clay when he came back home, and and him went

630
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: ahead and started. He took out the mules and Caleb,

631
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: who's over there as I think I saw Caleb come

632
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 1: in as well. Yeah, yeah, Caleb was. And those guys

633
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: would go hook up. Yeah, those guys would go hook up.

634
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: The mule trailer, dragged the mules two and a half, however,

635
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: many hours away from from our house, and and hike

636
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: up into the wherever they were, and it was it

637
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: was pretty impressive. I wasn't one hundred percent sure that

638
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: I was comfortable with Bear, you know, taking a trailer

639
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,959
Speaker 1: hours at a time. And anyway, Bear got his own big,

640
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: gigantic bear. How big was your bear this year? Four

641
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: hundred pounds Bear? John did that and he, yeah, let's

642
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: get Barrett bringing home the meat for the family. And

643
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: he had to load that thing up him. James Lawrence,

644
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: Papa Gary Gary was there. Brent came in and they

645
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 1: loaded it up. And Bear had to do a whole

646
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: lot of it by himself and travel through the night.

647
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: And I was watching them, you know, thank goodness for

648
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: cell phones because I was watching them, and it was

649
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: it was. He got home at five in the morning,

650
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: like had having to carry that thing out out off

651
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: the woods. He didn't have He was way out there,

652
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: so he didn't have, like, you know, an easy way

653
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: to get it out of the woods. And so he

654
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: got home at five in the morning, had the mules

655
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: in the back of the trailer with him, and and

656
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: the bear, and it was as a mom. The support

657
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 1: that we provide these guys actually is something that gives

658
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: back to us. It's been really cool to see bear

659
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: hunting has kind of been woven in our family. It

660
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: really was the only way I could eat wild meat

661
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: because it was it was better and and it was palatable.

662
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: We've since learned how to make the other stuff good

663
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: as well, but but it's it's been something that's been

664
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: a part of our family culture and a really special tradition,

665
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: from just putting our little babies, you know, on a

666
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: on a bear hide for a picture, to watching them

667
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: grow up and become a hunters themselves. And it's just

668
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: part of our family culture. So kudos to you guys

669
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: who are here supporting whoever it is you're supporting that's

670
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: a hunter. It gives back, It gives back in a

671
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: lot of different ways, and it's part of our culture,

672
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: as our Kansas and as Americans, as Clay says, and

673
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: it's a part of all of our culture, even those

674
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: of us who don't actually get out there and do

675
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: the hunting itself. That was good. I think mine was better,

676
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: tell you what, it was pretty succinct, certainly shorter short,

677
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: it was a shorter fishing trip. Brent, you got a

678
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: bear hunting story for us? Yeah, last year I killed

679
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: this many bears. So if anybody needs some help or

680
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: advice on how to kill no bears, come see me

681
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: happy right over here. Yeah. How many were at the

682
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: Warner Glenn film premiere last night? Did y'all enjoyed the film? Yes? Yes,

683
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: yeah that was fun? Um I was. I was supposed

684
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: to tell who paid for all that, who sponsored it

685
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: and presented it? And I didn't. I didn't any guesses

686
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: who sponsored that event? That's right? Yeah, for real, man,

687
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: these guys they got wind. They I didn't ask them.

688
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: They got wind of that we were thinking about doing

689
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: a film premiere and they said how much money do

690
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: you need? And I told him and he said, well

691
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: how about we give you more than that? And they

692
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: allowed us to rent that facility. The guys on X

693
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: are incredible and um, if you go ahead, they're they're

694
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: also presenting sponsors of this event today as well, and

695
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: as a chapter, we're very thankful for that support as well.

696
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: So they're they're helping us out a ton um to

697
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: keep access to open up access to public land. So no, seriously,

698
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: though on X has been very good to us. I

699
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: know a lot of you all have been up to

700
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: do that stuff today and we appreciate their support. How

701
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: many people have on X on their phone? All right?

702
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: Everybody drop? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, they they

703
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: were They're incredible. Um. You also forgot to say who

704
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: did all the work behind the scenes? Oh yeah, Isaac

705
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: Neil did all the work. See the guy with big

706
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: ear rings. Yeah, Isaac. Isaac help with Beargreas. He's the

707
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: he's the assistant to the regional producer of Beargreas, which

708
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: is me. Uh Maran. Let's talk about bears a little

709
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: bit more so. We now have a hunt in the

710
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: Gulf coastal plan we do? And how many bears did

711
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: they kill this year? Yeah that's a big deal. Yeah,

712
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: it's a big deal. How many How many bears did

713
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: were killed? Done? This year? They harvested twenty eight bears,

714
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: of course there was a quote of twenty five. The

715
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: season ran from December tenth to December sixteenth, or when

716
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: the quota was met, whichever came first. The quotas met

717
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: Monday evening roughly five or six o'clock. It wasn't closed

718
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 1: until Monday three days into it, and which there's, there's,

719
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of information, but I consider it

720
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: great information. I consider the fact that the season ran

721
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: through the week end. I considered that a great success.

722
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: Tell me what you mean by that, Well, well, it

723
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: was long enough to at least get through the weekend, Okay, okay.

724
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: So what I really didn't want to happen was set

725
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: the season at such a time frame in the fall

726
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 1: that you open a season on Saturday, and by noon

727
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: Saturday they had already checked enough bears in the season

728
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: closes and you got a lot of spill over and

729
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: everything else like that. So what. But I also didn't

730
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: want the season set so late that a lot of

731
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: bears weren't on the landscape. Remember what I talked about

732
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: the dening chronology of males and females. We want to

733
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: set it late enough to where the females, some of them,

734
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: or at least in the den, to where they're protected.

735
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: They're in a den cycle, making the males. We want

736
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: to buy us the harvest towards males. So it ended

737
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: up being fourteen and fourteen, which isn't great, but at

738
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: least it didn't close in the first half day of

739
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: the season. It was long enough, the quota was large

740
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: enough that you know, the way I took that is,

741
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: most people were able to hunt through the weekend that

742
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: wanted to bear hunt, and so you know, it was

743
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: a success. I felt like it was a great success

744
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: on where we placed the quota based on the best

745
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: research information we had. How when we started the season,

746
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: I think there could be some fine tuning on the season,

747
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: but you know, really just the fact that we had

748
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: a bear hunt in the Gulf coastal plaine of Arkansas

749
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: and we have a bear season and roughly four fifths

750
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: of the state now, which is something that I mean,

751
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: I just don't think people would have envisioned that forty

752
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: three years ago. Would you have thought it? Inside of

753
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: your career. I was really skeptical at one point if

754
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: it was going to happen. I mean, I knew we

755
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: had research on going and depend on what that search said,

756
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: but we kept having you know, historic flood events, you know,

757
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: one hundred year flood events two out of five years,

758
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, so that affected our research. So

759
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: the research kept getting put off and put off and

760
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: put off and everything like that. So I was beginning

761
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: to wonder if it was going to happen in my career,

762
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: but it did, and man, I feel I feel really

763
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: proud that I got to see it in my career. Yeah,

764
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: that's big. The first time that I went on a

765
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: den study with Myron years ago, probably it was at

766
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: least ten years ago, I was I remember, I had

767
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: never never been to a bear den, and we walked

768
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: way back in to an area and Myron kind of

769
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: snuck up to where he believed this bear to be.

770
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: And first of all, I was shocked that this tiny

771
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: little hole. I was expecting a bigger hole, you know,

772
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: for a bear to be able to fit in. Ye,

773
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: But they're like a squirrel, you know, if you if

774
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: you got a hole that big in a tree, a

775
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: gray squirrel that's about that big can fit in it.

776
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: Bears are the same way. And he walks up to

777
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: this little bitty hole that couldn't have been more than

778
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: about that big, and you wouldn't. You've been the hundreds

779
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: of den so you probably don't remember which one it was.

780
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: But I could take you to that den today, like

781
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: I remember where it's at. I'm trying to remember, and

782
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'll tell you later it was. It was. It

783
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: was kind of a It was on the side of

784
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: a ridge and the hole though, was like in the ground,

785
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: like an armadilla hole, like it wasn't like a cave.

786
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: And Myron he stuck his head down there and crawled

787
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: in and it's like his rear end and his legs

788
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: are the only thing sticking out. And he stays down

789
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: there for a minute and he comes back out and

790
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: he hands me his flashot and he says, stick your

791
00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: head in there. And I said, I said, how how

792
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: close is that bear? And he said, oh, it's just

793
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: like right there. And I said, like how close? And

794
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: he was like oh. Like from like me to you,

795
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: I said, is it awake? And he said yeah, And

796
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: question does have cubs? And he's like yeah. And now

797
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: I remember leaning upside down into this hole and turn

798
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: it on this flashlight and from like me to Brent,

799
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: for real, there's Brenda. It was Brenda, like a she

800
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: was big, just setting his glowing eyes just like for

801
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: me to Brent. I was looking and I'm hanging upside

802
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: down this whole shine and you hear the cubs chuckling

803
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: and feeding, and uh, I'll never forget doing that with you.

804
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: And then I've been several times since then. Pretty incredible.

805
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: What have you learned about bear dinning in the Gulf

806
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: coastal plain that's different than in the mountains. Has there

807
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 1: been some different stuff? Well, I've learned that I don't

808
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: know near as much about bears as I thought. I mean,

809
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: I really have. This has been Uh. Man, They're just

810
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: different down there. Uh. It is a different world. Their

811
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: behavior is so different than mountain bears. Uh. You know,

812
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: I mean I knew that the dinning chronology was later

813
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: in the year. You know, the cycle starts for for

814
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: pregnant females later, you know. But man, it's just I've

815
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: just learned a lot in the past six months about

816
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: their behavior, what there, what their preferences are. They're you know,

817
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: they're kind of nomadic down in that part of the world,

818
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: which makes them incredibly hard to trap. Uh. And I

819
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: did learn one thing that that corn is the acron

820
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: of the South, is it? Yes? It most definitely is

821
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: tell them Tell them what you mean by that? Well,

822
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: I mean, they're just not interesting anything else you have

823
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: to offer trying to bait. Even in the summer months,

824
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, when we were trying to bait, I've literally

825
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: stuffed snare sets full of pastry donuts. I mean, how

826
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: can a bear pass up a you know, a nice

827
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: Chrispy cream donut. I was stopping at the Mini Marchs

828
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: and buying extra glazed honey buns because I'm thinking, this

829
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: is it now. They just walked by and turned their

830
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: nose up at it and go over and eat, you know,

831
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: a polo corn. You know. So it's just it's just

832
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: different behavior. You think they get acclimated to that because

833
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: of all the deer hunting down there over the years. Well,

834
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 1: I think they've become acclimated to that food choice because

835
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: that's what has been available to them. You know, maybe

836
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,240
Speaker 1: not thirty years ago, but certainly in the last twenty years.

837
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: I mean, and if you got bears they are twenty

838
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: years old, you know what did their mom teach them

839
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: when they were cups? You know, where to find the

840
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: food in the fall? So I learned that, you know,

841
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: bear populations in the Gulf Coastal Plain aren't homo genius

842
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: across the entire Gulf Coastal Plaine. They're kind of patchy.

843
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 1: You know, there aren't bears everywhere in the Gulf Coastal Plaine,

844
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: even though it's a big zone eleven County zone bear zone.

845
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: But you know, like southern Bradley County has a lot

846
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: of bears, Eastern Union County, Western Ashley County has a

847
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: lot of bears. Dallas County has a lot of bears.

848
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: Washtaw County doesn't have that many bears, even though as

849
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: the Washtaw River running right down the side of it,

850
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: so and bears use those river systems and breaks as

851
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: travel routes. If you if you look on the display

852
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: we had out here showing some of the movement patterns

853
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: of some of those bears. I mean you can watch

854
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: them over time. Do you know they're running around running

855
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: uh these smzs or strange stream manage zones in between

856
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: these corporate timber products are running through these through these

857
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: river systems and stuff like that, the corridors, the riparian zones.

858
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what those bears do, just running

859
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: around in between that to get from point A to

860
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,760
Speaker 1: point B. A lot of times it's not necessarily straight

861
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: across a ten year old you know production that's where

862
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: they din. So yeah, it seems like every bear in

863
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: the Gulf coastal plane wants to find the perfect geographic

864
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: center of the thickest thicket you could ever imagine, and

865
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: that's where they want to have. Where are they denning?

866
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: Are they digging holes and root balls? Uh? Well not really.

867
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: Most of them are ground nesters in the Gulf coastal

868
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: plane in areas that don't flood. I'm talking about timber

869
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: production land in Dallas County, Washtaw County, Drew County, Bradley.

870
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: They'll just din a ground, just make a ground nest,

871
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: but it will be in a thicket. You could be

872
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: walking through the woods and see just see a bear

873
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: laying on the ground and he's he's denning. That's pretty incredible.

874
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we run across it in the

875
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 1: in the Ozarks and the Washingtall's ground nesters. Typically they're

876
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 1: gonna be in thick it's uh Washtall dens are typically

877
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: dugouts under root balls. Ozark dens are typically crevice type dens.

878
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 1: But the Gulf Coastal Plain, if they're now, if they're

879
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: in the flooding regime, they're going to be up in

880
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: a tree. Uh. Last I believe it was last two Wednesday,

881
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: we were down there and trying to find one particular

882
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: female named Memphis and uh, you know, we found her

883
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: and she was in a flooded break Uh not far

884
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: off the Washtall River, but it was flooding and she

885
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: was eighty feet up a cypress tree. And that's where

886
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: she's been in the last three months. Well, you know,

887
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: and there's there's a cavity up there. She just happened

888
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 1: to be out sunning that day. But there's a cavity

889
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: up there. And uh, based on the GPS locations we

890
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: had over and everything last like that, more than likely

891
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: she has cubs up there. She just happened to be

892
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: out sunning that day, y'all and bring the helicopters into No,

893
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, there was a time back when I was

894
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: a young man. I used to climb trees and do

895
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: tree work, but not so much anymore. That's why we

896
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: have game cameras for Yeah, you guys may have heard

897
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: me talk with Myron about this. But so, your your

898
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: job title used to be bear Coordinator the State of Arkansas,

899
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: and then three years ago it was longer than it

900
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: was about yeah, about twelve years ago. Well no, no no, no, no, no,

901
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: the title changed. You became bear coordinator that long ago.

902
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: The name change though, that's what I'm talking. Became bear

903
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: coordinator about sixteen years ago. Name change came about ten

904
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: or twelve. Large carnivore. Yeah, okay, well I thought it

905
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: was baking news. This is so. But why did they

906
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: change your name? That's that's the important thing here. So

907
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 1: you were the bear coordinator, you became the large carnival coordinator.

908
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: Why why did they change your name? Well, you know,

909
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: mountain lions started showing up that we were documenting. I'm

910
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna put mountain lions start showing up that

911
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: we were documenting, and uh you know, in order to

912
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: I guess monitor what's happening with mountain lions statewide and everything,

913
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: that had to really kind of assign a program coordinator

914
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: to it. Well, the most likely candidate was, well, you know,

915
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: mounta lions are large carnivores. Bears are large omnivores. So hey,

916
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, and I mean honestly still to this day,

917
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: uh ninety nine percent of the work I do is

918
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: very related. Uh you know, I do uh some reports

919
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: on while on mountain lions, but that's basically just an

920
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: the current's type. Matt. You know, once a year put

921
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: together information for a foilier or something like that. But

922
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: it's it's it's pretty cool that there are documented mountain lions. Yeah,

923
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: do you think there's a mountain line in Arkansas today?

924
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: Probably good possibility of it. What color is it? Yod question?

925
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: What colored? To come up? I knew it. Can you

926
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: tell a mountain lion scream what color it is? Gary

927
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: depends on what county it's in? Knows How can you

928
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: tell by their scream whether they're black or just the

929
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: regular ones? Secret? Now I'm really interested in uh in

930
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: in mountain lions and uh Myron said that the majority

931
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: of I should just follow Myron around and infamous. Myron said, no,

932
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: you said that you get a lot of reports of

933
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: mountain lions coming in. We do. We get about one

934
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: hundred I'm gonna say a hundred, one hundred and twenty

935
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: sightings to you, okay? And then of those that are

936
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: a mistake, what are they usually? What are people seen?

937
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: Housecats and bobcats? Housecats and bobcats. It's a big house.

938
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: How many people here have claimed to have seen a

939
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: mountain lion? Are? Just say, Jessica Llewellen, come on, I

940
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: know every one of you have told someone you've seen

941
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: a mountain lion. How many grandmas have seen them? Yeah. No.

942
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: One of the first podcasts we ever did was it

943
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: was called the Myth of the Southern Mountain Lion, and

944
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: I had Myron on there and we talked about how

945
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: everybody in the South except for these fine people have

946
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: seen mountain lions, have one hundred percent and seen them.

947
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: We do have a lot of people here from not Arkansas.

948
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: Remember all that geographic distribution we talked about, So we

949
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: can forgive them. We'll forgive them a little bit. It's so,

950
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: it's so, it's a funny social it's it's it's interesting

951
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: to look into because mountain lions were here. They were

952
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: like bears. They were here in great number, documented, big time.

953
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: I mean, the mountain lion had a range from the

954
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,479
Speaker 1: Atlantic to the Pacific, massive geographic range. They were here.

955
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: They were in our lore, they were in our writing,

956
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: they were in our hunting culture. Dads told their sons

957
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: and daughters about mountain lions, and then they were extirpated.

958
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: But dads kept telling their kids about mountain lions and uh,

959
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: and then it's so funny to me. I love it

960
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:39,439
Speaker 1: because we don't have that many mountain lions in the state,

961
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: maybe one or two at any given time, maybe ten

962
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: or twelve. I mean, it's just we don't I mean,

963
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: there's no way to track them. We just don't know.

964
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: All I can say is I get about one verification

965
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: a year. So he gets one hundred and fifty people

966
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: saying I saw one, and one of those they're able

967
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: to verify and say, it doesn't mean that somebody didn't

968
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: see one line in the state. Have you seen evidence

969
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: of a mountain lion in the state, Yes, there you get.

970
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: So I gotta share one one story mountain lion story.

971
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: When I was in Oklahoma deer hunting in November and

972
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: it was one of these real cool nights, bright moon.

973
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: It was very still, and we me and another guy

974
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: were walking out of the woods and you could just

975
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: hear so good. It was just it was cold and

976
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: no wind and just bright night. And man, I hear

977
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: just a scream just like I don't even want to

978
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:52,439
Speaker 1: replicate it, but it was a loud oka't I can't

979
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: do it loud what It was so loud that I

980
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: ignored it for three times. Me and this guy walked

981
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: together in the dark, and I finally go, are you

982
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: hearing that? And he's like, yeah, what is that? And

983
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: I said, I have no idea what that is. But

984
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: it was loud, so loud, it was just wow. And

985
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: I knew I was like half of the people I

986
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: know would right now say that's a mountain lion screaming.

987
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: How many if you heard a mountain lion scream raise

988
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: your hand? Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah. OK So anyway, I

989
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: hear it's like a and I said, I told Dave,

990
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: I said, man, I would swear that was a cat.

991
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: I just would swear it was a cat. We got

992
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:43,919
Speaker 1: back to the truck and I had my coon light

993
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: with me, and that thing was was was screaming so

994
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: consistently that and we were in a big open field

995
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: that I just said, let's just go over there, and

996
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: so we turned our light off and we kind of

997
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: just started trotting across this field. Superrational thing to do,

998
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: and it quit, it quit making the noise. But as

999
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: soon as we got over there where I said it,

1000
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: I had to have been right in here. I turned

1001
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: on my light and just light up the world with

1002
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: this big light and there's a bobcat in a tree.

1003
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, bobcat was making an incredibly loud and I've

1004
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: read about I've heard people call it yowling why o

1005
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: w L. But it was so loud you could have

1006
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: heard it from I mean three four hundred yards just

1007
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:35,439
Speaker 1: wow wow. And I think that's what all you heard.

1008
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: When you thought you heard him outline, I think you

1009
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: heard a bobcat. He said I should work for the

1010
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: game and fishing to build those calls. Ma'am, you didn't.

1011
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: You didn't see a bobcat or you didn't see the outline. Nope,

1012
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: your daddy live surprised at how many housecat pictures I get. Yeah,

1013
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: any year, you know, someone sends a pig to AGFC,

1014
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: ask AGFC, Yeah, and it's you'd be surprised at how

1015
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: many housecats yea. And then some of them aren't even

1016
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: tony coated housecats, you know, they're just people think they're

1017
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: great with stripes. Yeah. I wanna, I wanna. I want

1018
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: to end. We've been going for about an hour here.

1019
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna wrap things up. Thank you guys so much

1020
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: for coming and for for for wanting to be here.

1021
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: So we're gonna have We're gonna do a couple more things.

1022
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna have the al hooting contest and this is

1023
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: a little bit, it's gonna be a lot of fun,

1024
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: and yeah, we're gonna be here rest afternoon. So thanks,

1025
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: thanks a lot, guys,