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Speaker 1: It's the only way that it works. He went on

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Speaker 1: to complain that none of the existing radical right wing

424
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Speaker 1: organizations in the US had the ability to turn into

425
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: a quote large scale revolutionary movement. Quote. They're long established,

426
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: an unbroken record of failure is the best evidence of

427
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: this fact. It was not an inaccurate statement. Yeah, He

428
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: attacked the movement for being filled with overgrown children and said,

429
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: in essence, we need to stop waiting around for a

430
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Speaker 1: new Hitler to rise up, and you of fy all

431
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: of our different little fringe groups instead, Yeah, unite the right. Yeah,

432
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: there it is. Instead, Pierre suggested America's fascists take a

433
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Speaker 1: leaf out of Communisms book and create a national Front,

434
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: a large umbrella organization that could combine and coordinate all

435
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: of the different far right groups and allow them to

436
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: recruit people more easily without the baggage of swastikas and

437
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: clan robes. Towards this end, William Pierce established the National

438
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: Alliance in nineteen seventy four. We'll talk more about it

439
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: throughout the book, but obviously the National Alliance did not

440
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: wind up being the trick to create a mass fascist

441
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: movement in the United states. It was objectively more successful

442
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: than Rockwells American Nazi Party, though, drawing in thousands of

443
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: members over the years and generating millions in income, but

444
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: it proved no more capable of creating a popular revolution

445
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: than the A and P had been. However, buried in

446
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: Pierce's perspectives was a very important paragraph that contained realization

447
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: far more critical than his National Alliance could ever become.

448
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: Quote about the only good thing which can be said

449
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: of all these little groups is that they do generate

450
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: quite a flood of pamphlets, leaflets, bulletins, newsletters, and other

451
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: printed materials which express some excellent sentiment. But even here

452
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: it is largely an incestuous sort of affair, in which

453
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: the propaganda and the sentiment are circulated largely within the

454
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: same vaguely defined a movement in which they were born.

455
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: Any real contact or rapport with the general population is absent,

456
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: And this lack of contact with the public is not

457
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Speaker 1: do simply to the problems of distribution or a lack

458
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: of access to the mass media. Most movement literature would

459
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: fail to evoke a sympathetic response from the masses, even

460
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: if it could be placed regularly in their hands. It

461
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: is for the most part, too esoteric, too introverted, and

462
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: too kookie to strike a responsive chord among the general public.

463
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: To racist, too terrible, too awful. I hate that. You're

464
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: not right. It was it was the racism wasn't the problem.

465
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: The racism wasn't the problem. No, yeah it was. It was.

466
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: It was. We'll get to work. So you see, he's

467
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: he's he's started to realize that, like, our propaganda is

468
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: not cutting it. We need to find a way to

469
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: make Nazi propaganda that doesn't feel like Nazi propaganda so

470
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: it can hit a broader chunk of the populace to

471
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 1: be need to fight harder in the meme wars. Yeah,

472
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: that's just smart, and Pierce is going to go on

473
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: to be the guy who strikes the greatest blow in

474
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: the meme warps. So Pierce correctly understood that to really

475
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: make progress, American fascism was going to have to craft

476
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: propaganda that could infect the hearts and minds of normal

477
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: white Americans. It would take years for Pierce to translate

478
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: this insight into action, but when he did, the result

479
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: would quite literally shake the world. First, however, came his

480
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: dalliance with a sprightly gentleman named Willis Carte. Now Carter

481
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: was one of the very few individuals in this story

482
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: whose commitment to fash them precedes the activism of George

483
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: Lincoln Rockwell. Willis started a monthly paper in nineteen fifty

484
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Speaker 1: five called Revealing Lee, the entitled Right, the Journal of

485
00:27:53,240 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: Forward Thinking American Nationalism. Yeah Yeah, little on the knows,

486
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: Little Yeah. It was basically just like a bunch of

487
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: anti communist, anti Semitic, segregation like articles. Uh. In nineteen

488
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: fifty seven, Cargo first wrote openly about his idea to

489
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: create something called the Liberty Lobby, which he promised would

490
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: quote lock horns with the minority special interest pressure groups

491
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: in order to support the needs of white people who were,

492
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: you know, suffering in the nineteen fifties. Carter wrote that quote,

493
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: to the goal of political power, all else must be

494
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: temporarily sacrificed. He spent his life embodying that creed. Now,

495
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: Carter was not an out on the street bullhorn and

496
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: Placard's activist, nor was he an armed revolutionary clutching a

497
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: rifle and calling for racial holy war. Instead, he sought

498
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: to bring anti communists and segregationalists together and craft a

499
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: thoroughly American fascist movement. In nineteen sixty two, he started

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Speaker 1: to publish a magazine, Western Destiny, dedicated to inculcating these

501
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: ideas among the American right. He wrote about culture creators

502
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: a k a. White people in their eternal battle against

503
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: culture destroyers a black people. Tolerance, Carto wrote, can often

504
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: be a culture retarding and culture distorting weakness. Yeah, that's

505
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: the good stuff right here. Yeah, it's it's like the way, yeah,

506
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: real close to being fucking uh. What's that fake university

507
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: they have now? Western civilization fetishism, Yeah, cover up the

508
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: races a little bit more. An ancestor of Prager Year. Yeah. Now,

509
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: Western Destiny began to attract a dedicated audience of budding extremists,

510
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: including a teenager named David Duke. That's possible that Willis

511
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: Carto is the man who read pilled Duke. Yeah, so

512
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: that's who we're with now. Throughout the late nineteen sixties,

513
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: is William Pearce was coming up with his idea for

514
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: a national front. Willis Carto built the Liberty Lobby into

515
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: a moderately large mailing list for the distribution of far

516
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: right but not openly fascist propaganda. He latched onto the

517
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight presidential bid of a fellow named George Wallace. Now,

518
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: Wallace was the fort governor of Alabama and one of

519
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: the leading voices against the civil rights movement. His most

520
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: famous line is probably this, in the name of the

521
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: greatest people that have ever trod the earth, I draw

522
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: the line in the dust and tossed the gauntlet before

523
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: the feet of tyranny. And I say, segregation today, segregation tomorrow,

524
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: segregation forever, throwing the gauntlet at the feet of tyranny. Yeah,

525
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: keep black people in, white people in different schools, you tyrants. Yeah.

526
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: He's the first guy to use the liberal media. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

527
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: George Wallace groundbreaking. Yeah, it sounds like a real keeper

528
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: is to discredit the civil rights movement. So different from today. Different.

529
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. So Cart turned the Liberty Lobby to the

530
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: cause of getting Wallace elected president. He was, of course,

531
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: unsuccessful in this goal, but the campaign was an incredible

532
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: success for the Liberty Lobby. By its end, they'd become

533
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: home for almost but not quite Nazi politics in the

534
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: United States. Their newsletter, The Liberty Letter, had a hundred

535
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: and seventy thousand subscribers, now in Wallace's campaign fell apart,

536
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: Carter was able to swoop in and acquire a mailing

537
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: list with the names of an additional two hundred thirty

538
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: thousand people members of the group Youth for Wallace. Willis

539
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: felt that the failure of George Wallace to win the

540
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: presidency was no good reason to let the movement of

541
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: young fascist seas inspired go to waste. Under Karto, Youth

542
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: for Wallace molded into the National Youth Alliance, according to

543
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: Zeskin's Blood and Politics quote. In the subsequent months of

544
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: the National Youth Alliance sponsored several regional meetings, including a

545
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: January nineteen sixty nine event at Conley's Motor Hotel in

546
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: Monroeville outside Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. It was here that the youth

547
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: organization first began to unravel. Several officers in the new

548
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: group objected to the content and tenor of the meeting,

549
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: and an attendant social ed and supporters home. It claimed

550
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: that the affair was a washing Nazi heraldry, including women

551
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: who wore swastika jewelry and men who sang the Horst

552
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: Wessel led, a Nazi Party anthem from the nineteen thirties

553
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: the host and MC promoted a new booklet by Karto's

554
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: West Coast enterprise, Noontide Press, Myth of the six Million.

555
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: It argued that the Nazi genocide was a figment of

556
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: the Jewish imagination. One of the formal presentations was entitled

557
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: Plato the Fascist. So this breaks apart the movement into

558
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: two chunks. There's the people who really were just very

559
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: far right conservatives. But once he starts talking about Holocaust

560
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: and now like, oh shit, I accidentally round up in

561
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: a Nazi. Yeah I didn't, And I don't want to

562
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: be a Nazi. I just want liberty. I just want liberty,

563
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: and good for them, good, good for them for at

564
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: least being like, oh, ship, this is Nazi. Yeah, I

565
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: gotta get out of here. Yeah. It's like you go

566
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: to the unit the right rail and you're like, oh wait, Nazis.

567
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: You would hope that would provoke some real thinking from

568
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: like some soul searching. That never happened. So it's like, you,

569
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, if I was part of a political organization

570
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: and I showed up at a house party thrown to

571
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: celebrate it and everybody was wearing swastika's, I would really

572
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: sit down and reconsider how should I get here to

573
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: take a moment? You take a moment, at least a

574
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: moment it Yeah, speaking of taking a moment, pivot ad pivots.

575
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: If we did Snickers ads, this would really have been

576
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: a good time for one. Yeah, there's like need a moment.

577
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: That's a Snickers ad. Like you, you show up at

578
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: like a National Youth Alliance meeting and everybody's dressed as

579
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: a Nazism Snickers. Are you listening? This is gold. This

580
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: is a gold covered bagel. Distance yourself from Nazi Snickers.

581
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: Geez a Snickers, the distance yourself from Nazis snack products.

582
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: We're back. I want a Snickers? Yeah, I want a Snickers?

583
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: Want Snickers? We don't want to Snickers. So the National

584
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: Youth Alliance quickly alienated the majority of its potential membership,

585
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: mainly because cart had revealed his power level a little

586
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: too early every time. Every time. Yeah, it's it's never

587
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: not stupid, it's a fucking dragonball z reference. How did

588
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: that turn into Nazism syncretis? So Carto's work attracted some

589
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: new blood. However, William Pierce an a sizeable herd of

590
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: National Socialists. They started hovering around the Liberty Lobby like

591
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: flies on the rotting corps of George Wallace's presidential ambitions.

592
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: They worked together for a while, but it was an

593
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: acrimonious pairing, and the straight up national Socialists conflicted with

594
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: Karto's old guard We're basically fine towing the Nazi line,

595
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: but didn't want other people to call them Nazis. Carto

596
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: and Pierce wound up breaking apart, and after a complex

597
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: series of bureaucratic battles I don't care to recount, William

598
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: Pierce wound up in charge of the National Youth Alliance.

599
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: He reincorporated in Virginia in October of nineteen seventy. This

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00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: is the group that would go on to become the

601
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: National Alliance. So that's where it came from, as George

602
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: Wallace's Youth Movement becomes the National Alliance, largest Nazi organization

603
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: in the US. Okay, cool, that's really cool and not upsetting.

604
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: How clear the path Yeah, the Republicans did straight Nazis

605
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: was yeah. Now. Carto accused Pierce of stealing the Liberties

606
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: Lobbies mailing list, which was probably true. Pierce accused Carto

607
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: of embezzling fifty five dollars from his own organization, which

608
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: was also probably cart Carter accused Pierce's faction, who were

609
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: again literal Nazis, of being Zionists. Pierce responded by calling

610
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: Carto swarthy, which was racial. You're well, you're not white,

611
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: and up, oh my gosh, Nazis. The fighting between Pierce

612
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: and Carto just underscored how unsuccessful Pierce's efforts to build

613
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: a national Front had been. His plan had been to

614
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: start by recruiting more students, starting in the DC area,

615
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 1: but this was a miserable failure. When he was invited

616
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: to speak at George Washington University in February of nineteen

617
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: seventy two, Pierce couldn't gather more than two dozen students.

618
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: Anti fascists showed up and threw raw eggs at him

619
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: and his men, which I think is fun, just because

620
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about the long standing traditions among fascism,

621
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: and it's neat that along stranding anti fascist tradition is eggs, eggs, yea,

622
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: no milkshakes, just some eggs. Yeah, it's nice that yeah,

623
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: that egg boy, Yeah, that egg boy who hit hit

624
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: what's his name? Frasier the Fraser anning the Australian fascist

625
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: politician Christ Church stuff, you have been a good egging classic. Yeah,

626
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: egging fascists, egging fascists. On February the nineteen seventy four,

627
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: William Pierce decided to revamp the National Youth Alliance into

628
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: a new organization, the National Alliance. He continued to publish

629
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: the organization's newsletter Attack, which included guides for how to

630
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: bomb movie theaters and articles on which arms which worked

631
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: best for what you don't like bombing movie theaters getting

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Speaker 1: I don't like it. No, I don't like it one bit.

633
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Speaker 1: I thought you were a big movie theater. No, no, no, no, no, no.

634
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: M oh, you like movies. I'm a movie goer, So

635
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: you're comfortable putting yourself on an anti bombing movie theater list. Yeah,

636
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: that sounds a little extreme to me, but okay, this

637
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: is how we get radicalized. Yeah, we're all taking a

638
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: journey towards radical is a I mean, if you're forcing

639
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: me to mistake a stance, then yes, sign me up.

640
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's radical to be in favor of

641
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: bombing movie theaters, but it's equally radical to be against it.

642
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: It isn't They're equal the antie of of a of

643
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: another thing is just as radical as that thing. Always extreme,

644
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: then you are extreme exactly. Both are equally bad. You

645
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: can just take your radical anti movie theater bombing opinions elsewhere.

646
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: Will I stay in the middle and say, maybe it's

647
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: fine a bomb movie theater. Sometimes that's you just got

648
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: reasoned logic. I've got nothing to say to that. That's right,

649
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: you got destroyed. Robert Evans breaks Katie Stole in the

650
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: wheel of logic. It's so much more pathetic in person.

651
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: You've got to Troy. Yeah, so uh yeah. The Attack

652
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: included a lot of the fair that Nazi newsletters had

653
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: always focused on. But the next year, nineteen William Luther

654
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: Pierce introduced his first truly great innovation into the annals

655
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: of right wing terror. He started publishing a book an Attack,

656
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: a book titled the Turner Diaries. Oh there it is.

657
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: I was wondering where they'd come in. Published in sections

658
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: across several issues of Attack, the book is presented as

659
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: a series of diary entries from a revolutionary. You might

660
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: compare it to a Nazi answer to a Handmaid's tale,

661
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: and in fact it was partly probably inspired by I

662
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: think it actually predates that by a little bit. There

663
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: were other books that was inspired by there's a long

664
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: tradition of books in this line that Turner Diaries inspired

665
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 1: by Yeah, um, I haven't read it. Um. The Turner

666
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: Diaries were meant to take place in a near future

667
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: America in which a Jewish dominated liberal government had taken

668
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: over and forcibly instituted such horrors as multiculturalism and gun control.

669
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: Pierce presents those things from a Nazi point of view,

670
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: So multiculturalism is presented as feral, analystic black people raping

671
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: white women at will, and gun control was portrayed as

672
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: the forcible confiscation of all privately owned firearms. There are

673
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: a quality police in the book to give you an

674
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: idea of its tenors, idiot losers, the equality Police. It's

675
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: just really on the nose and obviously, yeah, so embarrassing.

676
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: Earl Turner is a normal white man who gets swept

677
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: up in a secret terrorist organization led by a group

678
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: called the Order, who organized their insurgency in a series

679
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: of small cells and carry out vicious terror attacks, including

680
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: the bombing of an FBI headquarters. The goal of these

681
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: attacks is to destabilize the American government and provoke a

682
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 1: vicious race war. The Order funds its operations by robbing

683
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: banks and armored cars, which allows them to buy weapons

684
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: and explosives to carry out more attacks and gradually to

685
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: tip the country into one nightmare. The book launched a

686
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: number of concepts into the fascist mindset, not the least

687
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: of which is the idea of the day of the rope?

688
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: Who idea rope? Yeah, I'm gonna quote now from the

689
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: Turner Diaries quote today has been the day of the rope,

690
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: A grim and bloody day, but an unavoidable one tonight.

691
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: From tens of thousands of lamp posts, power poles, and

692
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: trees throughout this fast metropolitan area, the grizzly forms hang

693
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: and the lighted areas, one sees them everywhere, even the

694
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: street signs that intersections have been pressed into service. And

695
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: at practically every street corner I passed this evening on

696
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: my way to h Q, there was a dangling corpse

697
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: forward every intersection. Hanging from a single overpass. Only about

698
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: a mile from here is a group of thirty, each

699
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 1: with an identical placard around its neck bearing the printed

700
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: legend I betrayed my race two or three of that

701
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: group had been decked out in academic robes before they

702
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: were strung up, and the whole batcher apparently faculty members

703
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 1: from the nearby u C. L A campus. The first

704
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: thing I saw in my moon in the moonlight was

705
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: the placard with the legend in large block letters, I

706
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: defiled my race. Above the placard lead the horribly bloated

707
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: purple ish face of a young woman, her eyes wide

708
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: open and bulging her mouth a gape. Finally, I can

709
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: make out the thin vertical line of rope disappearing into

710
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: the branches above. Apparently the rope had slipped a bit,

711
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: or the branch to which it was tied had sagged,

712
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: until the woman's feet were resting on the pavement, giving

713
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: the uncanny appearance of a corpse standing up right of

714
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: its own volition. I shuddered and quickly went on my way.

715
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: There are many thousands of hanging female corpses like that

716
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: in the city tonight, all wearing identical placards around their necks.

717
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: They are the white women who were married to are

718
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: living with blacks, with Jews, or with other non white males.

719
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: What a quote the Turner Diaries, I mean, yeah, that's awful.

720
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: Not a fan, huh. No, I tell you, guys were

721
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: going to really enjoy that passage zero stars. So you're

722
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: glad that all those people are hanging, Yes, because the

723
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 1: day of the Rope is a good thing. You would

724
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: be like, I'm like, okay, so I find novel that's

725
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: the who or did that? Are the bad guys? No?

726
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: Not in this, No, no, in this, they are the

727
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: ones to be emulated. Now. Earl Turner dies in the book,

728
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: carrying a suicidal but successful assault on the Pentagon, but

729
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: the Order is victorious. The book is essentially framed as

730
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: a historical document, with researchers from Earl's Future commenting on it.

731
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: They note that after the US was purged of all

732
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: non white people, the same thing was done to the

733
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: rest of the planet, using a series of nuclear and

734
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: chemical weapons attacks to cleanse Asia. What yeah, wait a minute,

735
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: it's a total global genocide of all non whites. Yeah,

736
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: but she did like a history. Yeah yeah, yeah. It's

737
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: like written as like, oh, in the perfect White Future,

738
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: we found this the diaries of this revolutionary who helped

739
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: us establish our YouTube. Here's how we got here, and

740
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: here's how we got here. Fictional yeah. Do they believe

741
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: that they're just preamptively writing a historical I think that

742
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: it was, here's what we want. I was just clarifying

743
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: some words here. Okay. So The Turner Diaries took off

744
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: like gangbusters among the American far right. It was eventually

745
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: published as a book, selling as many as five thousand copies.

746
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: The Turner Diaries way too many, and it did not

747
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: sell the traditional way in a Barnes and Noble. Instead,

748
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: it proliferated virally on the gun show circuit, at survivalist conventions,

749
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: and in tiny, small town shops owned by racists. Five

750
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: thousand copies is of course a sizeable success even by

751
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: mainstream standards. I found a good article in The Atlantic

752
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: by jam Berger, who offered a scholarly paper titled The

753
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: Turner Legacy. It notes The Turner Diaries is notable for

754
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: its lack of ideological persuasion. At one point in the novel,

755
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: it's protagonist, Earl Turner, is given a book to read.

756
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: Turner claims the book perfectly explains the reasons for white

757
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: supremacy and the justification of all the Order's actions. Importantly,

758
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: this magical tone's contents are never specified, although the novel's

759
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: epilogue broadly hints at a Nazi orientation, the book never

760
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: explicitly identifies the order with a specific movement, due in

761
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: part to Pierce's desire to appeal to normal people, as

762
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: well as the novels limited initial circulation among the o Nazis,

763
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: Turner assumes its readers are already racist and do not

764
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: need to be recruited to that mindset. The abandonment of

765
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: Why empowers a singular narrative focused on what and how,

766
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: the necessity of immediate violent action, and concrete gugestions about

767
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: how to go about it. This is part of why

768
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: the book has been so often associated with violence and terrorism. Now.

769
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: The Turner Diaries would go on to become the most

770
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: influential single piece of fascist propaganda since Mind Camp. It

771
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: has inspired more than two murders since its inception, but

772
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: it's also inspired a hell of a lot more than

773
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: simple murder. The Turner Diaries became the ideological underpinning of

774
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: a vicious American insurgency, which eventually lead to hundreds and

775
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: hundreds of armed men around the country working actively towards

776
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: the establishment of a white supremacist state, a problem that

777
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: continues to this day. Now, the Turner Diaries inspired more

778
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: than that, though, because it also inspired a whole new

779
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: genre of terrible right wing fiction. So have you guys

780
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: heard about a little book called Unintended Consequences. I don't

781
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: think so. It was published by guy named John Ross uh,

782
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: and it's best described as the Turner Diaries, but all

783
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: of the racism is whispered um so like a little

784
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: bit more subtle. The cover of the copy I have

785
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: features burning copy of the Constitution with a black clad

786
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: cop attempting to sexually assault lady Justice in front. Very subtle.

787
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: Have you read these books some? Yeah, I've read Unintended Consequences,

788
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: have read parts of the Turner Diaries. It's just not

789
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: very inertaining, right, not good. But I came across Unintended Consequences,

790
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 1: not like I came across it at like a gun store.

791
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: It was wasn't an unintended consequence. Yeah, part of this

792
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: where it's like all these things just sort of pop

793
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: up in gun stores, yeah and under yeah, all this stuff. Yeah.

794
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: And the main innovation from the Turner Diaries and Unintended

795
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: Consequences was that it switched the focus of the revolutionaries

796
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: away from race war and gun rights towards just gun rights.

797
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: So that was a factor in the Turner Diaries. Unintended

798
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: Consequences makes it the center of the whole thing. The

799
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: plot focuses around a guy named Henry Bowman who winds

800
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: up being framed by the A t F for some

801
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: dumb reason related to the desire to steal American guns.

802
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: He kills all the A t F agents and then

803
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: brutally torture is one who he captures. Bowman in a

804
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: small group of gun rights advocates then carry out a

805
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: terror campaign, brutally murdering gun control advocates around the nation

806
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: until the president repeals all gun control laws. Alex Jones

807
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: has mentioned multiple times on Info Wars that Unintended Consequences

808
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: is one of his favorite books. Yeah, in more recent years,

809
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: has he ever mentioned the Turner Diaries. No, he's never. Okay,

810
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: that seems like a little too he's read him, though,

811
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, big fans like I wonder if it's ever

812
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: been like audio or moments where he's like slipped it in. Yeah, um,

813
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: but I believe he's too smart to mention that. Yeah,

814
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: that's one that you can't mention because then you're definitely

815
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: an then you know, yeah, yeah, but unintended consequences it's

816
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: a little separate enough. Another thing that's separate enough. Have

817
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: you hear to Matt Bragen No, Well, he wrote a

818
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: book series called Enemies Foreign and Domestic. Like Unintended Consequences,

819
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: this book is basically Turner Diaries with less racism in it.

820
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: The liberal government creates a false flag mass shooting to

821
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: take away everyone's guns. The HF is the bad guy,

822
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: and brave patriots beat them via terrorism. Now, Bracken's innovation

823
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: was to have the cast of his books include numerous

824
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: non white people. The idea seems to be that if

825
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: most of the characters are non white and the book

826
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: can't be accused of being racist. On an unrelated note,

827
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: the second book in the series is Domestic Enemies the

828
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: reconquistad Yeah, one guess is to where that goes. The

829
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: evil liberals orchestrate and invasion of America via using Mexicans

830
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: with the goal of having them banned English in the

831
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: Southwest and then seceed from the United States. These are

832
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: coming out, now, yeah, these are these are recent. Bracken

833
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: is like a Special Forces veteran and like a right

834
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: wing activist and stuff. This is all coming out now.

835
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: Uh jan Berger, the guy who wrote The Turner Legacy,

836
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: also wrote an article about these books with The Daily Beast.

837
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: He identified some similarities between Bracken's third book and the

838
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: Turner Diaries. Quote after an earthquake demolishes Memphis, black refugees

839
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: turned into a seething mob of gang rapists and cannibals,

840
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 1: characterizations that feature memorably in the Turner Diaries, while urban

841
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: blacks loot a path from Baltimore to Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Where they demand and receive a new socialist constitution engineered

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Speaker 1: by a thinly veiled caricature of President Obama. The narrative

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Speaker 1: disclaimers continue. One character condemns white racist killings in the

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Speaker 1: chaos after the quake, and a battle weary white racist

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Speaker 1: girl near the end of the book accepts a hand

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Speaker 1: of comfort offered by a black army medic. But these

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00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: and other moments of individual race grace are hard pressed

849
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Speaker 1: to counterweight the vivid, lengthy depiction of African Americans and

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00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: mass as cannibal rapists directly responsible for destroying America's constitutions

851
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Speaker 1: is so upsetting. Yeah, it really makes me angry. It's

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Speaker 1: a great rubric thought to give Pierce credit. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it works, this bastard. Yeah, credit is a piece of ship.

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Speaker 1: But apprecys ship who was very effective. Yeah, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of very effective pieces of ship. Yep, it's kind

856
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: of depressing. In writing The Turner Diaries, William Pierce ignited

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Speaker 1: movement within the far right that is still very much

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Speaker 1: present and relevant today. The next chapter will discuss in

859
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Speaker 1: depth the generation of terrorists who were inspired by his

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Speaker 1: words to take horrifying, bloody action. Like Christian identity theology,

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Speaker 1: the Turner Diaries have influenced many people who may never

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Speaker 1: have even read the book. In his manifesto, the christ

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00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: Church Mosque shooter wrote about his hope that his attack

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Speaker 1: would spark renewed calls for gun control in the United

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Speaker 1: States because he believed that this would inevitably spark a

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Speaker 1: new civil war. The Paway Synagogue shooter repeated the same desire.

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Speaker 1: Both of these desires are based, whether and consciously or not,

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Speaker 1: on things written out in The Turners. They want they

869
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: just want conflicts to spark, and they think that guns

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Speaker 1: will be central to it. William Luther Pierce died in

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Speaker 1: two thousand two, but his ideas live and kill. To

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Speaker 1: this day, the struggle between William Pierce and Willis Carto

873
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: would prove to be a microcosm of a greater struggle

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00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: within the fascist right itself. On Cardo's side are the

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Speaker 1: main streamers. Their goal is to gain political power by

876
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Speaker 1: pushing the Overton window further and further right and convincing

877
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Speaker 1: more and more of their fellow Americans to adopt hardcore

878
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Speaker 1: fascist politics. Carto supported political parties and candidates, most notably

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Speaker 1: David Duke's successful run for the Louisiana States Senate an

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Speaker 1: unsuccessful run for governor. Was also a backer of Pat Buchanan.

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Speaker 1: Carto and other mainstreamers believe that the majority of white

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Speaker 1: Americans can be converted to their political ideals, so gaining

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Speaker 1: power is just a matter of properly propagandizing to their

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Speaker 1: fellow whites. William Pierce, on the other hand, was a vanguardist.

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Speaker 1: Vanguardists believed that politics is hopeless and the only way

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Speaker 1: for their side to win as two, as in the

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Speaker 1: Turner Diaries, form small, dedicated groups and bring on the

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Speaker 1: collapse of society in order to take control. George Lincoln

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Speaker 1: Rockwell himself is hard to pend down. He had elements

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Speaker 1: of both mainstreamer and vanguardist in his writings and in

891
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 1: his activism, but his most direct descendants, men like William

892
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: Pierce and James Mason, became two of the most influential

893
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Speaker 1: minds in the vanguardist movement. But in the late nineteen seventies,

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Speaker 1: a new wave of fascists and neo Nazis began to rise,

895
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Speaker 1: popping up around the countryside like mushrooms on a rotting log.

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Speaker 1: For more than a decade, they would build a potent

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Speaker 1: insurgency armed with missiles, machine guns, and bombs, utterly dedicated

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Speaker 1: to a single dire mission, turning the Turner Diaries into

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Speaker 1: a reality. As we're gonna talk about in the next chapter.

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Speaker 1: That was a good chapter. I mean they've all been

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Speaker 1: good chapters, but that was fascinating that that was better

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Speaker 1: than the other poop ones. Yeah, the ones that then

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Speaker 1: are you doing, Sophie. Okay, you guys gotta plug things.

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Speaker 1: Sophie says, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. We

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Speaker 1: have a show too. It's called even more News. That's

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Speaker 1: the podcast. We've got a YouTube show called some More News.

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Speaker 1: That's the YouTube show. We got a Patreon go to patreon,

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Speaker 1: dot com slash some more news. Cody talk about merch.

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Speaker 1: dr Mr Cody on Twitter Nerve. I got some more

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Speaker 1: News Twitter as well. Robert, what about you when there

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922
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Speaker 1: we get that set up? Oh ouch, Sophie. She whispered

923
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Speaker 1: something about the money going to him and then not her,

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Speaker 1: so that she doesn't care. Well, And you can buy

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Speaker 1: I'm I've been radicalized. We all are going to be

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Speaker 1: radicalized at one point or another. Shot this shots fired.

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Speaker 1: trying to do this? I think all is gold. I

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Speaker 1: It's never worth bringing up t J might be it

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Speaker 1: might be this time gracefully at the end of this burner.

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Speaker 1: That's Katie. The foundational ethos of this show is that

946
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Speaker 1: nothing can be graceful. Well, that's good. We're in a

947
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Speaker 1: bunch of time behind the bastards. In the Bastards, America's

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