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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move with sticks, d J.

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Speaker 1: Bucky back with you. It's been a minute buck since

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Speaker 1: we've been together. How you doing, man, I'm good to J.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, man. We're a couple of weeks out from

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Speaker 1: training camp, but the INFL news is still flying. Uh.

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Speaker 1: you know what. We're right back at it. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: good time for sure. Um. Some some things we need

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Speaker 1: hit on the Baker trade. Uh, he goes to Carolina

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Speaker 1: draft guy Kentucky quarterback Will Levis has got a lot

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Speaker 1: So he was the first one on my list to

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Speaker 1: What does that mean? What does that mean from a

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Speaker 1: because the cost for this Baker trade was next to nothing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they are getting them at five million dollars per I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think, if anything, this really sets up to be

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Speaker 1: if you are Baker Mayfield and his representatives, and it

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Speaker 1: I don't think is a super or still playing I was,

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Speaker 1: isn't a supernatural gifted thrower, you know. Yeah, I mean

430
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 1: I think that's a good guy to bring up because

431
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 1: he wasn't very natural and you know, going all the

432
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 1: way back to Lake Borders recruiting process, some viewed him

433
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Speaker 1: as he tied in, not as a quarterback goes to

434
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Speaker 1: U C. F has a tremendous career, goes into the league. Um,

435
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,199
Speaker 1: like it's a little rocky for him, and he has

436
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 1: some limitations as a thrower, which ultimately hurt him with

437
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Great comparison though, Um, but I mean, yeah,

438
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Speaker 1: but I got this played guys, won games. He's tough

439
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Speaker 1: and competitive and you know, I'm not saying that people

440
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Speaker 1: think that I was on him. No, I think he's

441
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 1: this guy's got He's got everything is Eric's gotta put

442
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Speaker 1: it all together. Um, but that was you know, Dac

443
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 1: was kind of what I was hoping for on the

444
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Speaker 1: high end, maybe Blake maybe on the low end, just

445
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 1: to see where because of Jack there. Yeah, because let's

446
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: be honest about Dak Frescott and missing be State. Uh.

447
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 1: And I felt like I was high on Dak Frescot,

448
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 1: but I had second round Grays on him, and I

449
00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: thought he was more of a Steve McNair ruggy quarterback type. Physicality, toughness,

450
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 1: some playmaking. Um, the intangibles maybe outweighed that the talents

451
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: and tools. Um, but it's away from and so when

452
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Speaker 1: we think about how Dak Prescott into prose, to me,

453
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: looks completely different than the guy that I saw. I

454
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Speaker 1: miss it be stay. He is a polished pass or

455
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: a guy who I think is still the top ten

456
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Speaker 1: quarterback in the league based on how he performs, you know,

457
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Speaker 1: and so look, a lot of it is the environment

458
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: where he would go to who's whispering the sweet nothing's

459
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 1: in his ears when he comes to the quarterback play.

460
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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So it's a compelling, uh evaluation because you're

461
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Speaker 1: having to do a lot of different things to kind

462
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Speaker 1: of figure it out. Yeah, and rugged is the word

463
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Speaker 1: to use? That word rugged with that that's the word.

464
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Speaker 1: If I was gonna kind of take his entire report

465
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Speaker 1: and narrow it down to one word. I try to

466
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Speaker 1: do that every now and it's a good exercise. I wrote,

467
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Speaker 1: rugged down is my word for him. So you know

468
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Speaker 1: that's uh, definitely admirable quality, all right. Buck. The other

469
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Speaker 1: news I wanted to get to here before we run

470
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Speaker 1: out of here, s c U C l A. They

471
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Speaker 1: joined the Big Ten, which I know geographically I think

472
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: confused some people. But when you think of monetarily and

473
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Speaker 1: to me, I would like to get your take on

474
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Speaker 1: it just from a football standpoint. I love it from

475
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Speaker 1: a football standpoint in terms of evaluators. It makes our

476
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: job ale easier, makes it's uneasier because now what I'm

477
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: doing DJ my top two scouts are as signed to

478
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Speaker 1: the SEC in the Big Ten. Like that's that's what

479
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: we're doing now that it's coast to coast, going back

480
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Speaker 1: and forth. In terms of the matchups U, s c

481
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Speaker 1: U C l A being able to play the heavy hitters, Yeah,

482
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Speaker 1: I absolutely get a chance to see these guys against

483
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Speaker 1: the players that I know are going to play on Sunday.

484
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Speaker 1: For years, We've talked about it, s c N. You

485
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Speaker 1: see like the difficulty and attracting offensive lineman. Well, now

486
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Speaker 1: you think about the offensive lines that playing the Big

487
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 1: Ten and how they beat people up and how Iowa

488
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,479
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin and being able to you have a year

489
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Speaker 1: for due high end quality players. Um. I think it'd

490
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: be good. I think it'd be good for us to

491
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 1: not only evaluate, uh, those defenses against those Big Ten offenses,

492
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Speaker 1: but I think the recruiting base. Does that change if

493
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Speaker 1: you're sc do you are you able to get more

494
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Speaker 1: into the Midwest and maybe get the lineman that you

495
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: may need to play at a higher level. Uh. I

496
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: think it's good. Uh. I'm looking for the next shoot

497
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: to drop in terms of where does Notre Dame go

498
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Speaker 1: and what did the playoffs gonna look like? Yeah, that's

499
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Speaker 1: the only thing I worry about. I'm gonna stay with

500
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Speaker 1: the a SEC Or is the other shoe gon drop?

501
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: You tell me. But if I'm if I'm one of

502
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: those teams and they're find those conferences right there, the

503
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Speaker 1: Big ten in the SEC, I'm sitting here going, we're

504
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: good right now. What we got, that's just us. It's

505
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: just us. You play your you play your league, get

506
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Speaker 1: yourself a conference championship, game, league champion. We're gonna play

507
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Speaker 1: our league con French championship, and then we're gonna have

508
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: a final four or whatever. We'll take the top four

509
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: teams or final eight, whatever you want to do. There's enough,

510
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: Like they don't need the rest of college football. They

511
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: they're good, they could. That's a champion right there. And

512
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: maybe it's like the European soccer thing where it's you

513
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: kind of win your leagues and then you have champions

514
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: league and you kind of play around some different things.

515
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Speaker 1: But to me, there's gonna be more meaning to be in,

516
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Speaker 1: like you know, an SEC champion or a Big Ten champion.

517
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: Things that they are near. You're a national champion. I mean,

518
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Speaker 1: that's that's that's the elite of the elite. Yeah. No,

519
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: the only the only move that I could see that

520
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: would give them a conversation, but it would be a

521
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: lesser conversation would be if Notre Dame went full time

522
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Speaker 1: to the a c C. Yeah, you know, way they're

523
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Speaker 1: doing that. No way Notre Dame does. They just have

524
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Speaker 1: too much money. Those are the two players. If you're

525
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: gonna give up your independent status, you want to go

526
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: where all the money is, and that's in those other

527
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: two conferences. Yeah, the Big Ten makes too much sense

528
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: for Notre Dame geographically. But the only thing is all

529
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Speaker 1: their sports right now playing the a SEC with except

530
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: I know, but they could they could write the check

531
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Speaker 1: and get out of that agreement, so you know what happens.

532
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: I think if they get out of that, then I

533
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: think the a SEC falls apart because there's something where

534
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: then their teams can go and kind of figure out

535
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 1: what the deals are or whatever. I don't know, man

536
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: like I would say if I'm the a CEC impact,

537
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: will they blew up when they had an opportunity to

538
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: expand the playoff and whatever and by staying in bad

539
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: like they left themselves get Pilford and so, I mean,

540
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I wonder about the future college football.

541
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: Those two conferences are good, I don't know what it

542
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: means for everybody else. Does that mean that we now

543
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Speaker 1: have a group of whatever six tenC tournament? There's some

544
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Speaker 1: really good programs that are out there. When you think

545
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: about you know, Oregon, Washington, you think about Clemson, Florida State, Miami, um,

546
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: those are those are still some big time chips that

547
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: have to fall. The question is I think I read

548
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: an article somebody was saying, you know, you look at

549
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: the shares. You know what these TV deals like, Okay,

550
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: you bring in the two l a schools, man, they're

551
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: going to pay for themselves like that now even though

552
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: you have to split the pie two more ways with

553
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: the revenue they're going to bring in with the TV market,

554
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: that means we all get more. At some point in time,

555
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a team. And I don't know if

556
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: that's Clemson or whatever, but they'd be like, Okay, look

557
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: that's great. They have a good football program, but now

558
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: we've got to give them a full share. And they

559
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: don't bring in enough money for us to make more money.

560
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: You know, like I don't know if it's Clemson or whatever.

561
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: You know, these schools are going to have to try

562
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: and figure all that out. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

563
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: Just the money, man. The money part of it is

564
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: really interesting because you can't beat it. If you're talking

565
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: about the Big ten. Uh couldn't checks a hundred million

566
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: dollars for school. It's hard. Yeah, I can't imagine the

567
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: SEC is gonna be secc right there, you know, if

568
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: not more that hard. So here's my here's my scouting

569
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: point that I that I mentioned. I would really like this. Well,

570
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 1: how many times have we said when we're when we're

571
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: evaluating a pass rusher in the PAC twelve or an

572
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Speaker 1: offensive tack go in the PAC twelve and we say,

573
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: you know, like Austin Jackson USC, he's athletic. I think

574
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: he's pretty good, but man, he only I think the

575
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: only good pass restur he saw was against Evanessa and

576
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: the Bowl or whatever. Remember, But we're like so that

577
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: I can't it's hard to evaluate you didn't play ay,

578
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: he hasn't seen any legit d lineman or old lineman.

579
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: And it would be the same you know, whatever offensive

580
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: tackle you might have in another pack twelve school pops

581
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: up and he's a really good player, and you're like, yeah,

582
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't see any good rushers, Like we're gonna know.

583
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: And I think it's actually gonna benefit these two l

584
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: A schools because it's it's just it is what it is, bucket,

585
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you're ten years old or twenty two

586
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: years old. You play against better guys, you get better, Absolutely,

587
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: you get better. And not only that for us, I

588
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: think it makes it a cleaner evaluation when you have

589
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: a chance to see good on good, makes it really

590
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: really easy when you have an opportunity to get guys um.

591
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: Playing against other guys that we know are going to

592
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: play in the league makes an easier evaluation. Were now

593
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Speaker 1: USC you u C l A. They play against dues,

594
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: they're gonn play in the froze, you know, um, and

595
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: there's no knock to what has been going on in

596
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: the fact. Well, but it's different in terms of the

597
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: officsite a linement that we will see in that conference

598
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: versus some of the other ones. Now you get a

599
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: chance to see these guys go against some fastballs and

600
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: you'll be able to make determinations based on if they're

601
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: fastball hitters or not. I like that part of it,

602
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: And and saying with the quarterbacks, you're gonna see quarterbacks

603
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: go up against better defense, So, um, I guess we won't.

604
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: I think that will happen after Cayleb Williams is departed,

605
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: So I guess I have to be for the next

606
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: quarterback that comes in there. But it's gonna make it

607
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: again just the easy evaluation. The more good on good

608
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: we can get easier it is from evaluator standpoint. So

609
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: all four that anything else you want to hit on.

610
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: But before we run out of here, no that said. Man,

611
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Speaker 1: I'm just excited we got a chance to get back

612
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: together and kind of do it all over again. Look

613
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: forward to see if we can connect again later this week. Yeah,

614
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it. I think we've got three I

615
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: think we've got three pots this week. So we're gonna

616
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Speaker 1: jump back into some of those divisions. Remember we're doing

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Speaker 1: that discussion on kind of the first and second you

618
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: guys we were buying, Um, we have a couple more

619
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Speaker 1: divisions to get through, so we'll knock that out the

620
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Speaker 1: next couple of podcasts. Anyways, appreciate you guys hanging with us.

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Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, drop any suggestions or questions you have in there.

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