WEBVTT - This Weeks Rewind with Ben Crump, Tezlyn Figaro and Nadia Hallgren 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.920 I heart Radio, now number one for podcasting, presents Sunday 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.320 Night Podcast. Every Sunday, we played one of the most 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:09.559 played and most listened to and most shared podcasts of 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:12.040 the week from the two hundred and fifty thousand podcasts 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:14.280 available in the free i heart Radio app. Find your 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:16.959 next favorite podcast on i heart Radio. This week is 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:21.120 The Breakfast Club thirty. Good morning, everybody is DJ Envy, 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.840 Angela Yee, Charlomagne the God Tests as well. She've been 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:26.599 here the last two days, so you part of reference. Ye. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.080 We got some special guests joining us today. Test is 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:35.800 back again and we also have Nadia Hall Green welcome you, 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:38.239 and of course attorney Ben Crump, who has a new 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.440 documentary called Civil that's out June nineteenth. Well, good morning, guys, 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:44.599 and thank you for joining us. Thank you King for 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.519 having us. Now for people that don't know, breakdown what 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:51.000 is civil, what it's about, and tell us all about it. 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.800 Certainly are Lee. I am always in eye of you, 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.840 so I say that public, I thank you. I appreciate that. 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:03.200 Civil is net Lix documentary coming out on June tenth. 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:08.880 It was directed by the young, brilliant director Nadia Hagren. 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:14.880 This uh African, Porto Rican, all kind of flavors in 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:25.880 there also. I mean, she is it. Her vision is 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:30.920 so incredible. I mean it followed me for eighteen months 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.560 during a pandemic where we had not heard of George 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:40.280 Floyd when they started filming. We had heard of Amadar, 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.400 but but hadn't heard of Brianna Taylor at the time. 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:48.120 And she is capturing all this footage intensely while we're 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:52.200 dealing with these families and so many other things like banking, 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:57.320 while black environmental racism, fighting for the black farmers doing 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:02.360 and she, more than anybody else, just understood the moment. 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.200 This isn't just a documentary for today. This is a 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:10.600 documentary as Kenya barrass and I who's the producer, created 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:14.480 Black and said, this is a documentary for our children. 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.760 Yet I'm born. I'm so glad you're here because there 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.360 was a call that we got. I don't know if 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.880 you were here, Envy last week, but somebody called it 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.240 and they were talking about Larry Nassar and how there's 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:30.919 this lawsuit against the FBI because of Larry Nasar, and 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.600 how they knew about the cases against him but they 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:35.880 didn't act on it, and somebody called it and they 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.560 were like, well, this is discussing what is money gonna do? 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.640 Why do victims need money if they're truly victims, and 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.080 this is just a money grab. So I know this 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.160 is something that you, as a civil rights attorney, can 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:48.760 speak to. So I would love for you to talk 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:50.960 about that when people try to say, oh, they're just 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.640 trying to get some money, or he's just chasing money 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:55.920 and trying to fatten his wallet. I tried not to 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.840 listen to the hate as much because I understand my mission. 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:03.119 My tad. She's saying, now you gotta go back out 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.079 on crump, I'm like, I don't have the time because 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.040 I'm so focused on the mission. The mission is trying 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:14.680 to say to people, psychologically and consciously, to American society 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.799 that no, no, we matter, We deserve equal justice. When 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:22.040 you have a wrong against us, we have a right, 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.680 not only based on the Seventh Amendment of the United 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:30.200 States Constitution, but just based on common sense. We have 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.560 a right to send the message that you can't do 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.880 this to us and get away with it. I'm representing 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.720 a lot of black and brown people in Los Angeles 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:43.560 County at McClaren Hall, which was a children's shelter in 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:47.520 Los Angeles for fifty years, black and brown children were 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.400 being raped and sexually molested in the county just looked 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.280 the other way. It's been all these years, and now 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:58.520 California because of things that were happening in bart Scouts 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.360 in the Catholic Church said we're gonna give you three years. 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.400 Anybody who was molested in those things when you were 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.320 seven or eight years old, you have a right to 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:10.280 come forward. Think about those people. Yeah, the only thing 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:12.120 you can get his money. You can't go back and 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.240 give them their innocence back. But when you have that 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.360 civil compensation, it makes the county pay, It makes the 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.640 corporations paying those type of things. And like we say 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:28.360 on the trailer of Civil if anything America understands, it's 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:31.960 money capitalists, it's capitalism one O one. And when you 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:36.360 start making people pay, then they change their conduct, or 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:41.960 you keep going until it becomes financially prohibited for them 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.320 to be able to afford to treat black people and 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.240 brown people like second class citizens. Now let me chime 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:48.800 in on that though, right quick. Because he gave you 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.720 to Martin the which always say I'm Malcolm and he's 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.920 marks before you go, yeah, because you know I'm about 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.440 to go. There's a lot of people don't have the knowledge. Right. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.800 So sometimes people call here or see articles and they 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.400 say Attorney Benjamin Crump is an ambalance chasing, right. He 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.480 chases just to make money or the fat in his pockets. Right. 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.040 And when Ted came up here, she spoke so eloquently 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.920 about you don't solicit anybody. Yeah, people have to reach 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:14.760 out to you. And many times people reach out to 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:19.200 certain other attorneys or other anywhere anybody else and nothing 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.640 gets done, and they don't sit get done two until 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:26.080 you step on the stage cause a day. So now yea, 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.320 now talkyo, Yeah, I'm a better talk about so yeah. 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.880 So to the dumbbos in the comments, I'm speaking directly 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:34.520 to them. And again this is not a reflection of 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.640 Attorney Crump. These are my own statements. When people say 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:39.520 it's not about it's all about the money, first of all, 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.520 that makes no sense. Only five percent of Attorney Crump's 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:46.080 cases are police brutality, that's number one. Nobody talks about 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.240 one hundred million dollar lawsuits that he's been able to 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.400 get for folks who are alive and well the six 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.920 hundred million dollar lawsuits he's been getting alive and well, 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:57.400 America or any government has never paid for the value 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.880 of black life. And so I find it amazing that 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.240 the same people in the comments that will sue McDonald's 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.560 for a slip and fall feel that it is not 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.479 It makes no sense if someone takes your life and 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.039 you feel that that family should not deserve compensation for 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.120 their children that's been left behind. What are they supposed 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.040 to exchange Roman noodles like in the pen. The only 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.040 thing we have is the money compensation. But to ignore 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.160 the fact that Attorney Crump pushes for the criminal punishment, 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.560 to ignore the fact that policy actually comes out of 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.440 these cases. When you talk about the bround, the Taylor Law, 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.000 when you talk about the and andre Hill law, when 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.880 you talk about one hundred cities that have now enacted 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.720 police reform since the murder of George Floyd, it has 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.640 been because Attorney Crump and a few others and I'm 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.440 saying a few, just to be generous, have brought these 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.440 cases to light. There are billions of dollars every year 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:46.279 that are settled based on police brutality. I ask people, 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.760 why is it that your local attorney and your hometown 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.240 never wants to take these cases. Why is it? It's 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.360 not certainly not for a lack of advertisement. Every commercial year, 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:56.800 every day is if you've been injured in an accident, 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:58.680 if you've been into accident, So why don't they take 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:00.800 those cases? Angel? That's the qua I ask people, why 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:02.760 don't you see them with? The answer is in which 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:04.520 you point this out in the film. They do not 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.560 want to upset their DA. They don't want to up 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:08.760 set the governor, they don't want to upset their chief 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.119 of police. They do not want to be black balled 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.480 and send the death threats for pennies. And I'm gonna 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.640 say this and I'll be quiet. When you look at 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.680 these cases that attorney Crump takes or any civil attorney, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.160 these cases take years, two, three, four or five six years. 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.239 You don't earn a dollar. So I would ask anybody 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.040 in the comments, are you willing to work for forty 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:30.200 hours a week for three to four years straight? Maybe 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.160 maybe not get compensation at the end. It just makes 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.080 zero sense. It doesn't add up. The MAV doesn't math. 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:40.200 So when you hear those comments amulance chasing, no, everybody 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.480 say that tells their loved one in the amulance. I'll 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:44.640 use one story Morrowbirt, a case I worked on in 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:48.000 twenty fifteen. The stepfather Monrobert said, do not. I don't 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.440 want being Crump because the family called me first, because 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.800 their son was being dragged off through the media. They 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.600 called me first. He said, I don't want being Crump. 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:56.680 I don't want none of that coming down because he's 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:00.520 an ultra conservative Tulsa, Oklahoma, ultra conservatis black man, but conservative. 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:04.080 But once his son got started getting dragged in the media, 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:05.680 then it was can you call a turn the Crump 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:09.480 because nobody was willing to stand and change the narrative. 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.600 The narrative that has changed in the media affects the jury, 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.080 it affects how they make those decisions. And so now 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.680 seven years later, they're passing the Monroe Bird Law. And 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.600 that's the stuff that people don't keep up with us. 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.080 The free I Heart Radio app has over two hundred 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:25.440 and fifty thousand podcasts to explode. Yes, this is the 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.880 Breakfast Club thirty part of Sunday Night podcast on iHeartRadio. 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:32.280 We're still kicking It with Attorney Benjamin Crump, Teslin Figuo 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.880 and Nadia whole green that discourage you at all, Like, 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.160 no matter what, you out there to do good right. 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.160 And then so when you got people and people that 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.600 look like you that you're fighting for and they go 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.200 at you, does that discourage you at all? Ivy, I 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.040 try to be a student of history. Thirdgood marsh has 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:53.000 my personal hero Martin, then Malcolm. These are the MLA people. 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:57.480 Don't understand that they were hated mostly by black people. 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.720 You know, we have this revision this history that everybody 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:04.200 loved them, but when they were at their peak, they 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.200 were the most hated people in America by both white 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.560 and black people. And so I always try to remember 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:14.400 that and say, God, I know what mission you put 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:18.839 on my shoulders, and I'm going to use these blessings, 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:22.480 these influences to try to affect a better world for 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:26.400 our children. And I'm never discouraged by anything. As we 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.720 said in the family, don't be a spectator. If you 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.760 feel you can do something, get in the arena. The 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.320 easiest thing in the world to do is to sit 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.520 at home and be a critic and don't do anything else. 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.000 The hero is the person who puts themselves out there, 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:47.280 risk their reputation, their family, safety, and even their life, 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.960 and say this is about more than just me. We 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:55.839 have these banking while black cases where we have recovered millions, 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.000 hundreds of millions of dollars for black people over two 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.160 hundred millions of beings. Let's put the number out there 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:05.000 so they can in the comments. And it's so astonishing 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:09.320 to me, Envy and Angie, that people would say, Oh, 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.640 it's just about the money. What do you think banks 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.880 and corporations are doing things for. Are they doing it 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:20.120 just for charity? Are they doing it just because they 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.559 had nothing better to do. No, they're doing it for 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.320 the money. And so when we take on Whales Fargo, 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.800 who we are currently fighting now because they were denying 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:33.960 black people mortgages during a pandemic where the government had 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.880 gave an opportunity, and I digress. I gotta say this, 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.040 y'all absolutely doing the pandemic because they were worried about 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:47.400 the economy. The government gave historic incentives to decrease the 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:50.960 interest rate for home loans lord than they had been 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:55.160 in seventy five years. Y'all understand for poor people in 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:59.680 middle class people, the quickest way to gain wealth and 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.920 equity is to be able to purchase a home and 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.200 pass something more to your children and their children. That's 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:10.320 how you get wealth accumulated. Well, even with all of this, 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:16.000 Where's Fargo? Where's the nine Black people? White people were 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:21.200 getting incredible incentives to increase their wealth by saying you 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.680 got a two percent interest rate, you might save a 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.160 million to two million dollars just because you were able 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.120 to refinance. They said, no the black people. And so 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.880 now I can where about the Negroes in the comments? 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.720 So I can go say no, where's Fargo? You probably 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.760 stop black people from getting a billion dollars in equity. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.439 So guess what being Crump gonna do. I don't care 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.480 what you say. I'm going to get those black people 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:46.920 that billion dollars. But now let's talk to you, because 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:52.800 this is a spicy room if you haven't, so, let's 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.000 talk about you. You directing this, and what made you 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.840 want to do this film? Like most of us, I 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.760 was sitting home during that time when everything was happening 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.800 in America, the pandemic, George Floyd's murdered, and I'm like, 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.200 I'm a filmmaker. I need to be out there doing something. 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:08.480 And then I get a call from Kenya Barris and 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.839 He's like, I've been working on something with Ben Crump. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.000 We want to make a documentary. Do you want to 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.920 get involved? So grab the camera. Just got on the 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.160 role with Ben, and I just knew that this was 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.400 a moment to document history and what was happening in America. 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:25.120 And you also showed Bankrump's family, his mom. Now, why 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.920 was that important in framing this story? One thing I 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.480 thought was so special when I met Attorney Crump was 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.359 just who he is as a person, as an individual, 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:37.000 his values, you know, at the highest standard at where 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.880 that came from. Was that hard for you to expose 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:41.520 that part of your life, because that's not something you 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:46.000 ever do. It's very hard to expose your personal life. 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.160 I will say this. My mom was here at the 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:54.040 Tribeca Film Festival premiere and we grew up in the projects. 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.880 My mother raised me and my two brothers and her 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:01.400 baby brother, working two jobs, I mean, doing everything for us. 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:06.040 And it was so beautiful for my mother to see 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:09.640 what she did. I mean, it's standing ovation. And then 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.640 out of Times Square they got Netflix really has invested 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:18.080 in this movie and they have a Billboy eighty foot 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.080 off the ground on forty second and Broadway, and for 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.120 my mom Mo to say we started in the projects 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:27.520 and that we're here. I mean, it's just a testament 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:31.360 to a strong black woman absolutely saying I won't let 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:35.640 this world destroy my children. And so my mom and 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:40.240 my wife, my daughter, everybody in this film, they just 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.120 kept it rare kep it too. How does your family 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.320 deal with it? Because it's it's you know, it's like 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.400 anything else. Yeah, I mean, if you could just take 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.040 all the negativity, it is all good, but it bleeds 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:51.960 into your wife, it bleeds into your kids, and then 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.360 you know, a test was talking the other day about 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.760 the death threats. Yeah, how does your family deal with it? 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:02.840 How are they okay? It's hard. Obviously as adults we 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.920 understand what we're doing. My nine year old daughter watch 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.680 the film for the first time yesterday and she said, Daddy, 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:13.160 you got a death threat and she was very concerned 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:18.080 about it. And so we had that conversation about baby, 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.280 Dad is out here fighting for you to have a 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:26.520 better world, and sometimes people don't want to see our 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:31.800 black children have an equal opportunity at life. We have 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.840 to fight for our rights. We can never take stuff 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.360 for granted. And she was like, but you didn't do 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.400 anything wrong. I said, baby, I know that, and you 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:46.160 will learn that some people feel that they're superior to 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.800 us because the color of their skin. And that's always 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:53.240 a difficult conversation to have with young people because they 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.560 want to see the best in the world. She was 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:02.600 asking me questions, Man, she is terrified by these school shootings. 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:07.200 Your children that have to deal with that trauma. What happens, dad, 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.080 if it happens in our school, you know. So we 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:14.400 talk about those things. I think about how my wife, 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:19.000 my brothers, everybody in their minds, they are prepared that 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:25.200 it could happen. And we have to protect your family 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.600 when you're on the road so much. I mean, they're 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.680 constantly checking on them and everything. And that's the other 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.080 side that Tas was talking about. My law partners, Now, 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.120 we don't make that much money doing police brutality. We 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:41.840 make our money from doing mass tours, saying class action work, 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:46.200 stuff that you know is going up against these corporate titans. 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.320 This police brutality. Civil rights work. It's something you do 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:54.120 because you care. Nobody does civil rights work to get rich. 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.960 It's the least profitable division in my law firm. I 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:03.480 pray so much that we can close down the police 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:07.320 brutality the vision of the ben Crump law firm, because 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.640 then that would mean tray Vine will get to live 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:15.760 because somebody then profile him. Amad Aubrey. I mean all 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.840 these young black people in the film now he has 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:22.960 a part in, a fifteen year old, eighteen year old, 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:26.440 in a nineteen year old in a week's time, all 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:31.960 get killed by the police, completely unjustified. But if we 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.240 can somehow have them look at our children like they 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.480 look at their children, then our children would get to live. 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.800 And that's what I pray for, man, That's what I'm fighting. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:46.120 I've made enough money. I'm gonna be okay. My law 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.240 firm would rather I just stopped doing the civil rights 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.880 They like you did enough Crump. We can make money 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.360 a lot easier and more of it if you would 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.040 just quit doing the civil rights work. But I'm like, 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.920 then I would be selling out my soul. Now. It's 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.840 about fighting for our children, man. I Heeart Radio for 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:10.119 podcast Discovery. This is the breakfast Club theory. We go 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.960 your chance to hear the biggest trending podcast each week 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:14.919 from the free i Heeart Radio app. Still kicking it 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:19.640 with Attorney Benjamin Krump, Teslain Figuro, and Laddia Holgrin. So 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.919 let me ask you a question. Now, Ladia is the director, 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.399 what's the biggest taket way you get out of this documentary? 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.080 What I hope envy is that when people watch this 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:32.000 film they have a much deeper, nuanced understanding of what 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.359 life is like in our communities than they ever have before, 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.040 and that they understand the work that Attorney Crump does. 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.639 You know something we spoke about earlier, just this idea 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:45.240 that civil law and criminal law are actually two different things, 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.680 and we were surprised in this film when we showed 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.080 it to people and they didn't understand it. So just 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.640 to give people a basic understanding of how the law 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:57.240 works as well. So it's an educational tool, but it's 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:00.399 really to bring people in a show behind the scenes 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.159 of what these cases are really like other outside of 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.719 the press conferences and the new cycle tells you when 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:12.560 to cris anybody else anything else the world. I just 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:16.240 think I'll just echo you know, the world. It is 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:20.080 important that people understand civil law and criminal law because 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:24.280 the prosecutors, I think intentionally sometimes lose these cases. We 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.440 have never lost a police brutality the case, but people 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:31.800 sometimes can't distinguish the two, and so I think not 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:35.320 it does a good job or reminding people of what 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:39.280 we should have learned in seventh grade Civics class, that 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.320 the government is the only people can prosecute you and 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.399 put you in jail. And then the Seventh Amendment says, 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:49.240 if you've had a wrong that you believe as big 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:53.240 put upon you, you have a right to sue them, 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.800 and if the jury agrees with you, you are entitled 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:00.080 to compensation. And the law has some reason for that, 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:03.960 because they don't want people trying to solve their disputes 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.879 in the street by shooting and killing one another. No, no, 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:08.680 you come to the court in law, and if a 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.560 Jared agrees, then the only thing we can give you 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:15.359 is monitory damage. That's the accountability. That is the accountability. 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.560 Before a text gives her final word, I do want 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.040 to say that I know you've been inspired by Thirdgood Marshall, 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:22.000 and you speak on it all the time. But I 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.960 feel like after seeing this, kids will being inspired by you, 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:27.560 and that's the thing that will make the next generation 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:31.720 want to become active, become attorneys, become civil rights attorneys, 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:35.480 and make sure that they do what's right. Absolutely, we 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:41.840 appreciate you. Thank you. I'll dropped the sick for the 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:48.280 positivity encouraging me to be I will say this, and 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.639 I talked about this in my last Breakfast Club interview 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:53.679 on my Push the Line training that's coming up politics 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:55.400 until something happens, I want to give a quick shout 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.840 out to texts six six eight sixty six push the 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.600 Line to six six eight six six. What is that about? 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.120 It is about getting in the fight. What people should 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.000 get from this documentary at the end is being Crump says, 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.040 get into the arena. I know who I am, and 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.240 I know whose I am, and what does that really mean. 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:15.400 You've got three ways to get involved. Now. You can 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.040 just be in the comments, or you can get involved 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:21.040 on the criminal side, to push for the folks get arrested, 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.720 to push to end qualified immunity, like what happened in 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:26.200 New York City, by the way, like what happened in Colorado, 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.880 by the way. You can talk about making sure folks 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:32.000 get arrested. You can talk about the protest side. You 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:34.280 can talk about the punitive damage aside, which is what 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.879 attorney Crump does. Or you can talk about the policy, 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:38.800 which is what I talk about, which is one over 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:41.280 one hundred cities have passed some level of police reform 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.800 that nobody talks about. We still have to push on 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:45.960 the federal level for the George Floyd Justin Police and Act, 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:48.600 but over one hundred cities have made some difference. The 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:51.800 bottom line is you have every opportunity to be involved. 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:54.399 My logo push the line and has each person pushing 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:56.719 one pushing the p to you, the S and the H. 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.480 Nobody's paying attention to what's going on beside them. There's 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:01.200 a child on the side that is watching with their 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:04.120 fists up, watching what it is that we're doing. So 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:07.040 you can push or you can talk. In the Bible, 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.400 whether you are believing, I'm only talking to the believers, 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:11.160 it says that at the end, you know, we talk 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.080 about who's the goat, who's the goat, who's the goat, 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:15.399 Who's the greatest of all time? We love throwing that 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:17.760 around in hip hop, but in the end, there is 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:19.480 going to become a time where the goat would be 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:22.520 separated from the sheep. What is the sheep? People say, 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:24.880 the sheep is who follows and who does what man does. 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:26.760 But in the Word of God. It says that the 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:29.960 sheep is about the shepherd's business. So you are either 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.200 going to be about for the least of these? Are 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.359 you gonna be one of the goat that are not 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:36.760 here to serve those who have been in prison, to 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:39.560 serve those who have been disenfranchised, to serve those who 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.800 have been marginalized. And when it's time to make that accountability. 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:44.800 And if I'm wrong that I don't have nothing to 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.720 worry about. If I just disappear into existence, fine, But 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.160 what if I'm right? Dj envy. If I'm right, there's 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:51.960