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Speaker 3: Oh, it is NBA Draft Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: It's a good draft with a college superstar at number one.

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Speaker 1: It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you

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Speaker 1: may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.

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Speaker 1: John Middletop, who has been so great filling in this week.

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Speaker 1: Jmax comes back tomorrow. John's been crushing carshing at Rick

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Speaker 1: Fatino in one hour from now. Everybody tried when Louis

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Speaker 1: Carnaseca left to rebuild Saint John's he did virtually overnight.

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Speaker 1: They were one of the most entertaining teams in the country.

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Speaker 1: So he's got a great set into the draft. We

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Speaker 1: have one star player and then there's about ten guys

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Speaker 1: that people think could become really high end players all stars.

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Speaker 1: How deep of a draft is it? I don't think

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Speaker 1: you know these days I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know, but I want to start with this. I believe John.

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Speaker 1: The college basketball and I thought this about two years ago.

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Speaker 1: College basketball is having a renaissance for the previous twenty years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you'd have guys that would win College Player

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Speaker 1: of the Year, they'd go to the NBA and they're

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Speaker 1: the fourth guy off a bench, the third guy off

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Speaker 1: players in college for another year or two and that

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Speaker 1: nil money going to Europe and Spain and poaching their

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Speaker 1: best young players. I noticed it two years ago with

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Speaker 1: a Yukon team that had like seven NBA guys, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, that team could compete against the Christian

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Speaker 1: Laytner Duke team. That team could play against the Ewing

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Speaker 1: Hoya team, size, aggressiveness, coaching, NBA guards, and we've seen

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Speaker 1: their players come to the NBA and crush. So my

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Speaker 1: back to what I remember in college in my twenties

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Speaker 1: were great, they had like five guys that could play

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Speaker 1: in the NBA, legitimate players. So Cooper Flag is the

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Speaker 1: best domestic product. I think he has a more well

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Speaker 1: rounded game than Anthony Davis or a Carmelo Anthony. The

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Speaker 1: last two the last decade, we've had two stars, two

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Speaker 3: Wemby and Zion.

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Speaker 1: Were stars, small markets and bad rosters. Cooper Flag's going

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Speaker 1: to Dallas. Dallas has the deepest front line in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford, Anthony Davis, who I think is

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Speaker 1: the best defensive player in the league, Derek Lively. Four

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Speaker 1: guys he didn't have to defend the rim like in

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Speaker 1: these highlights. He can get out on transition. He didn't

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Speaker 1: going to be out in transition. Dallas also needs because

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Speaker 1: they have size, but they need more ball handlers, playmakers,

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Speaker 1: guys who can shoot. Klay Thompson's getting old, so I

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Speaker 1: think he's a perfect fit. This is very rare, Just

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Speaker 1: like Duke, He's gonna walk in and he's not gonna

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Speaker 1: waste four years waiting for the coaching staff the draft

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Speaker 1: And san Antonio is going to be really good eventually.

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Speaker 1: But what do they win thirty four games last year.

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Speaker 1: This team, I believe, along with Oklahoma City and now

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Speaker 1: top NBA teams, you know, they don't get the best

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Speaker 1: it was Jason Tatum was a top three pick. He

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Speaker 1: This kid was a high school phenom in Maine, and

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Speaker 1: And this kid was super hyper aggressive playing against older

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Speaker 1: Eastern Conference finals. In fact, one of the most iconic

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Speaker 1: I think Cooper Flag he's not as good as Jason

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Speaker 1: But defensively aggressiveness, this dude can play. And he's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be the Mavericks Foundation today. But I would say

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Speaker 1: at the end of his second year. He's that good. Remember,

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Speaker 1: he should be in high school right now. He should

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Speaker 1: this is to me, this is a really exciting draft.

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Speaker 1: There's a couple of Rutgers guys to keep your eye on.

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Speaker 1: to a really, really good team with an a coach

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Speaker 1: and Lebron James this week was talking about how good

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Speaker 4: He has to benefit Unlike myself. He gets to join

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Speaker 1: I mean, what happens usually with a top pick is

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Speaker 1: That's all that Cooper Flag has to do. With a

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Speaker 1: a great player. I can't wait. Rick Pattino in one

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Speaker 1: This's the last year I'm playing. And I was thinking

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Speaker 1: under his eight and a half, they can absolutely win

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Speaker 1: want to take you through the ABC's of Farv and

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Speaker 3: It's crazy. So they both enter Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: He led him to a late game victory. Aaron's first year,

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Speaker 3: In love with Farv.

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Speaker 1: Felt he was the most talented quarterback and Aaron wasn't

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Speaker 1: posting all the trophies that Tom was. But the feeling

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Speaker 1: was Aaron's the most talented thrower over the football in

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Speaker 1: They both win one Super Bowl and multiple MVPs were

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Speaker 1: You hear this kind of early retirement talk and you're

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Speaker 3: Guys got years left. F They go to the Jets

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Speaker 1: So you say, well, Colin Farv went to a really

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Speaker 1: learn from the alphabet. Aaron Rodgers learned from the alpha Brett.

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Speaker 1: It's the same career if Aaron can win nine or

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Speaker 1: has had constant controversy with contracts. Their number one pick

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Speaker 1: pass rushers furious. Joe Burrow has a history of not

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Speaker 1: getting great protection, being upset and getting dinged up. It's

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Speaker 1: very possible they're battling a New England. They're battling a

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, listen, they won ten games last year,

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Speaker 1: They had the twenty third offense.

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Speaker 1: You think it's it's going to be around middle of

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Speaker 1: airing at the end in New York. Played okay, some

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the water in Green Bay,

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Speaker 1: but you couldn't find two personalities that are more different,

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Speaker 1: California hipster with a chip on his shoulder, Aaron, and

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Speaker 1: they have morphed into the exact same career a decade

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Speaker 1: and a half. We thought they should have won another

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Speaker 1: how did that end up? The exact same, John, you

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Speaker 1: If there's one thing I have learned about really pro sports,

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Speaker 1: Think about what he had overcome, Russell Wilson. The culture

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Speaker 1: Look at the numbers, worst team in the league, worst

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Speaker 1: With all the roadblocks in Denver, dead cap Russell, broken culture,

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Speaker 1: They'll ruffle feathers. He ruffled Russell's. But what he's done

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Speaker 3: The gap is coaching. John Middlecoff with the news.

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Speaker 2: Turn on the news. This is the Herd Line News.

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Speaker 5: Okay, sticking with football, let's start with the Minnesota Vikings,

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Speaker 5: whose biggest question heading into training camp this fall is

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Speaker 2: Good is JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 7: A young guy that's hungry and he wants to learn

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Speaker 1: What's really exciting if Caleb Williams and J. J. McCarthy

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Speaker 5: Three for three is a little easier though than five

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Speaker 5: There's some you know, a lot of pressure on Drake

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Speaker 5: just be competitive. It's win I don't know, twelve thirteen

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Speaker 5: The thing that kind of gives me pause is their

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Speaker 2: It likes to throw the ball.

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Speaker 5: JJ comes from Harbaugh, who likes to call runs.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's going to be fascinating early on.

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Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure a week one Colin Bears Vikingsday night football,

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Speaker 2: So welcome to the NFL. Kid.

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Speaker 3: That is that the first Monday night football.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that is Wow, that is a good

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Speaker 2: Sticking in the NFC.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of young quarterbacks, Jane Daniels, dan Quinn and the

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Speaker 5: Commanders had a hell of a season this first year together,

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Speaker 5: Austin Eckler is expecting more growth from the young quarterback

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Speaker 8: on it. You can tether that growth. And he started

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Speaker 8: to get more comfortable, which allows him to even play

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Speaker 8: mentally faster and make better decisions. We're going to be

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Speaker 8: looking like a powerhouse out there.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 1: I always thought Andrew Luck, all things considered, had the

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Speaker 1: best rookie season I've ever seen. I thought Jayden Daniels

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Speaker 1: was better, and I think he had better roster than

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck did, but he didn't make the Andrewluck mistakes.

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Speaker 1: I thought he would be good, I said before he

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Speaker 1: got drafted, he's lamar but better in the pocket. I

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Speaker 1: did not think he would be this good in late

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Speaker 1: game situations. I knew he would run away from people.

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Speaker 1: I knew he was good in the pocket. His ability

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Speaker 1: two minute drill, latent quarters late in games, I'll say

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Speaker 1: it again, not even Elway did this. I've never seen

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Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback this cognitively aware, this poised, and this accurate.

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Speaker 1: Virul wasn't this good first year? I don't even know

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Speaker 1: how to describe it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, to me, poise is something that you've gained as

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Speaker 5: your career goes because of experience. He had it so early.

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Speaker 5: They did get to sneak up on people last year.

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Speaker 1: They did.

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Speaker 5: People were not expecting him. If you think about the

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Speaker 5: Lions a couple of years ago, got to sneak up.

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Speaker 5: For the last couple of years, the Lions have been

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Speaker 5: most team's biggest game on a weekly basis.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be the case. You add Tunzel, you add Debo.

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Speaker 5: I think the one thing they really have going for him,

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Speaker 5: dan Quinn's been around the block. He's a veteran head

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Speaker 5: coach Adam Peters has added a lot of talents. But

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Speaker 5: it's hard not to bet on the I mean, if

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Speaker 5: he was a stock, you would just continue to buy

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Speaker 5: more stock of Jade Daniels. But they do have the

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Speaker 5: Eagles in the division. The Lions are going to be healthy.

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Speaker 5: The Packers, we know the Rams are good. Like the

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Speaker 5: NFC might not have the quarterback elite star power that

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Speaker 5: the AFC does, but the teams are good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the thing that really impressed me

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Speaker 1: about Jayden and Daniels. Now you know this means a

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Speaker 1: lot to me. It doesn't mean a lot to everybody else.

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Speaker 1: But one of the first things that blew me away

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Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurts was how good he.

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Speaker 3: Was at the podium.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as a quarterback. And this was the thing I

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Speaker 1: crushed Baker Mayfield for which he's gotten much better at.

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Speaker 3: Baker was starting fires.

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Speaker 1: Jalen puts them out and that Wednesday presser is sort

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Speaker 1: of the Okay, now you're getting injury reports. Now there's

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Speaker 1: somebody some one of your players. Jade Daniels is so

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Speaker 1: good in terms of media because Washington, DC's is aggressive.

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Speaker 1: This is a Northeast media feisty talk radio is very big.

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Speaker 1: Fire start about every five days. The kid is so adult,

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Speaker 1: he is so mature. I just I remember watching last

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Speaker 1: year and if you didn't know, you'd be like, is

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Speaker 1: this is ninth or his tenth year on the league.

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Speaker 5: Remember that video when he transferred from Arizona State and

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Speaker 5: all the kids in the locker room were like throwing

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Speaker 5: his stuff in the trash and it was like, what's

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Speaker 5: going on here?

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Speaker 2: And then a couple of years later, seems.

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Speaker 5: Like Arizona State screwed that one up and Brian Kelly

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Speaker 5: and Hosh, you got it right. But yeah, incredible season. Okay, last,

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Speaker 5: but not least, onto the NBA, where the Nuggets held

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Speaker 5: a press conference to discuss their new front office setup

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Speaker 5: heading into next season, where they will rely on a

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Speaker 5: little bit of an unorthodox approach, kind of a co

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Speaker 5: partnership of.

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Speaker 2: Their executive vice presidents.

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Speaker 5: Not quite sure what's going on, But the biggest takeaway

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Speaker 5: was the team president Josh Kronky and what he had

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Speaker 5: to say about roster construction.

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Speaker 9: For us as an organization going into that second AFRIT

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Speaker 9: is not necessarily something that we're scared of. I think

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Speaker 9: that there are rules around it that we needed to

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Speaker 9: be very careful of. With our injury history, the wrong

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Speaker 9: person gets injured and very quickly you're into scenario where.

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Speaker 2: That I never want to have to contemplate. And at

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Speaker 2: the trade in number fifteen, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't even bring that up.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Colin, if you were a Denver Nugget fan

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Speaker 5: and there was ever a trade that included number fifteen.

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Speaker 5: You are fully allowed to just quit your fandom, move

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Speaker 5: to a different team.

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Speaker 2: You might have to disband the franchise.

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Speaker 5: Gohon.

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Speaker 1: There is not a player in the world less tradable

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Speaker 1: than him. You can't trade him. It is It would

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Speaker 1: be like Jeter in his prime. It's beyond just being great.

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Speaker 1: It's Jeter was the soul of the Yankees. He was

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Speaker 1: the captain. It's not this guy was the coach at.

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Speaker 3: The end of the year.

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Speaker 1: During timeouts. He's not just a bucket. He elevates it.

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Speaker 1: There's two players on this roster you can never move.

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Speaker 1: I think Gordon is one of the more underreaded players

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Speaker 1: in the league. Length, hustle, toughness, smart Yokich number one.

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Speaker 1: Gordon too. Everybody else to me is movable.

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Speaker 5: Can you imagine if right before the draft Brett Beats

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Speaker 5: was like, yeah, you know, if things got weird, you

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Speaker 5: never know. With Mahomes, people like what, we'll stop there. Yokich,

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Speaker 5: I mean these last couple of years has turned into

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Speaker 5: one of the greatest players we've ever seen. To even

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Speaker 5: bring that up, you would trade the arena the every

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Speaker 5: player myself is the owner.

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Speaker 2: Before you traded that individual yees.

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Speaker 1: Listen, when you're live in a hot mic, I can

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Speaker 1: attest to this. Sometimes it goes, things come out and

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Speaker 1: you just don't love them, and that's when you want

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Speaker 1: to pull back a little bit.

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Speaker 5: But this guys are making a lot of money. I

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Speaker 5: wonder if these people, you know, are you trying to

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Speaker 5: sell high? Maybe I know he's doing maybe three hundred

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Speaker 5: and fifty four hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, the new max for the elite players.

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Speaker 1: And this is why I said, it's not that they

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Speaker 1: traded Luca in Dallas. They didn't get enough for him.

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Speaker 1: But Luca had missed back to back camps. He doesn't defend.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers found out he's not really in great shape,

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Speaker 1: and he spends way too much time on off like

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Speaker 1: arguing at referees. I thought I had no problem. If

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Speaker 1: it would have been a d Austin Reeves and three

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Speaker 1: number ones, I would sleep on moving Luca. This is

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Speaker 1: an untradable player like Yannis, by the way, can't hit

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Speaker 1: a free throw, late, doesn't have a jumper, had injuries.

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Speaker 3: I would sleep on stuff there.

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Speaker 1: There are most guys in the league that I liked,

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Speaker 1: I'd sleep on Lebron in his prime.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not hang out. Jokich now absolutely not totally agree.

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Speaker 3: It is mahomes. It's the mahomes.

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen komp that we're not taking the phone call

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Speaker 1: and to suggest it on a hot mic his three

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Speaker 1: days of his radio fodder and Denver exactly.

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Speaker 3: John middlecop with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: heard Line News.

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Speaker 1: We you know, we did this yesterday and uh, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do it again today. Yesterday we did the AFC,

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Speaker 1: and uh today we're going to do the NFC. In

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Speaker 1: terms of our sort of projections for the biggest surprises

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Speaker 1: in the conference. John has the Colts with Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: racing to a playoff spot, which was funny. I went

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Speaker 1: home yesterday and and I, you know, as I'm prone

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Speaker 1: to do with no life, I go to the two

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Speaker 1: deeps on Indy and I'm like, I've.

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Speaker 3: Got a really good roster.

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Speaker 1: They just don't have a quarterback that can complete sixty

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Speaker 1: four percent of their throws. And their schedule, by the way,

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Speaker 1: as an AFC soule schedule, there's wins all over.

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Speaker 5: I thought you were going to say you checked your phone,

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Speaker 5: you said, Ballard said, I like this middle coffee guy.

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Speaker 3: Well he does. I already know that.

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Speaker 1: So we will make our big surprise picks in the NFC.

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Speaker 1: Coming up, it's The Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 1: There's a live a Golf Chicago coming up. My friends

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Speaker 1: are excited for that as well. So yesterday we did

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Speaker 1: the AFC. John's a former NFL scout and if you've

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Speaker 1: heard our podcast at the Volume on Sunday nights and

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Speaker 1: Monday morning, we like to chop it up and talk

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Speaker 1: a lot of NFL. So yesterday we did our three

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Speaker 1: things that would be surprises to I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people. I mean, we didn't want to go two

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Speaker 1: over the top. I bought all of yours because I

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Speaker 1: think Daniel Jones and the Colts could win the division.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they could win the AFC West. I

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Speaker 1: think they could win the AFC South.

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Speaker 2: So here we go.

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Speaker 3: Here are the surprise moves. Number one.

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Speaker 1: This is the least surprising of any I've done in

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Speaker 1: the last two days. Brian Schottenneimer is a one and done.

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Speaker 1: Jerry will know by Thanksgiving he made a huge mistake.

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Speaker 1: Forget the fact that Philadelphia and Washington will probably both

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Speaker 1: blow them out in Division twice. We've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of one and done's happening now. David Cully, Steve Wilkes,

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer, Nathaniel Hackett, Antonio Pierce, Jared Mayo. People liked

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Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce. I mean he was the Raiders, played a

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Speaker 1: lot of people tough, including the Chiefs. One and one

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Speaker 1: happens all the time. I'm now and as the NFC,

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Speaker 1: there was about a three year window to make Hay

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Speaker 1: in the NFC where it was kind of soft. As

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Speaker 1: John's pointed out, the coaching and the NFC are no

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Speaker 1: longer soft. And I think Dallas is going to be

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Speaker 1: humiliated on a lot of Sundays. That's my first surprise.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to go with the Packers win

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Speaker 2: the North.

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people in Minnesota, Detroit, Minnesota new.

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Speaker 2: Quarterback right Detroit, two new coordinators.

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Speaker 5: We don't know if Ben Johnson can coach the Packers

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Speaker 5: went one in five last year in the division, they

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Speaker 5: won eleven games. Their quarterback also got hurt Week one,

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Speaker 5: which kind of into them on And they have one

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Speaker 5: of the best offensive coordinators in the league.

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Speaker 2: Who's their head coach in Lafloor.

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Speaker 5: Their defense last year getting halfway from Boston College was

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Speaker 5: a top five unit in the league. So and they

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Speaker 5: got a lot of young players. I think the Packers

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Speaker 5: are going to be a force to be reckoned with.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be stunned if they were the number one

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Speaker 5: overall seed.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's what's interesting about that pick. I had this

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Speaker 1: kind of inner conversation. I was thinking about this the

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Speaker 1: other day. Problem with Green Bays. Every team in the league,

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Speaker 1: I like has at least three elite players. Who's their

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Speaker 1: best player?

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Speaker 2: It's it's a group mutant, it is a team. I mean,

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Speaker 2: but I love their operation.

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Speaker 1: It is but I you know, they don't get free agents,

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Speaker 1: so they can't solve holes. So if they have a hole,

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Speaker 1: they have to get it in the draft. Like I

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Speaker 1: like their wide receivers. They saw it as a weakness

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Speaker 1: and attacked it in the first round. Like I thought

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Speaker 1: jay r Alexander two years ago was their best player.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who he is right now.

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Speaker 5: I'll say this about the Packers a lot like the Ravens.

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Speaker 5: They draft and develop as well as any team that

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Speaker 5: they do, and their offensive line is always excellent. So

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Speaker 5: to me, Jordan Love obviously they need him to play

655
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Speaker 5: at a higher level, but I just trust the infrastructure there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're not gonna like this. Number two is Niners

657
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: missed the playoffs. So first of all, they lost Dre

658
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: Greenlaw who Funga and Deebo Samuel. They didn't really want

659
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 1: to Those are good players. The players they have now

660
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: on offense get injured. They have a sub five hundred record.

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Speaker 1: Kyle does without Christian McCaffrey.

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Speaker 3: How many games do you get?

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Speaker 1: They're a spray knee on Trent Williams at left tackle

664
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Speaker 1: from having a bad offensive line again, McCaffrey coming off

665
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Speaker 1: an injured season. They were six and eleven last year.

666
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: I think Seattle's got an excellent roster. That Rams defense

667
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: only getting better, and I think the Arizona guy can coach.

668
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Speaker 1: I don't know how great they are, but they're gonna

669
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Speaker 1: upset including the Rams. They're gonna get some upsets next year.

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Speaker 1: Brandon Aiyuk is still recovering, Ricky Pearsol Juwan Jennings are ones.

671
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Speaker 1: I think the schedule helps them, but they are a

672
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Speaker 1: key offensive injury Christian or Trent Williams or Kittle from

673
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Speaker 1: being a different team.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think you're gonna like this Colin. The

675
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Speaker 5: forty nine Ers are making the playoffs. Ok, you just

676
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 5: talked about it. Coaching, right, They have one of the

677
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Speaker 5: best coach in the league.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

679
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Speaker 5: They also added Robert Sola back in the mix TENN

680
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 5: Excel and DC. They were terrible last year in one

681
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Speaker 5: score games, especially in the division. They lost a close

682
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Speaker 5: game to the Rams, They lost a close game to

683
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Speaker 5: the Cardinals. They lost a close game to the Seattle

684
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Speaker 5: All in the last final couple of minutes of the

685
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Speaker 5: fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey is helping. Kyle just said it a couple

687
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Speaker 2: of weeks. He's full go. Trent Williams healthy. They have

688
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: been a lot like an NBA team.

689
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Speaker 5: They've been making these deep runs, deep runs, and they

690
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 5: just ran out of juice last year.

691
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Speaker 2: It happens well last year. They've been off since January first,

692
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: so you get extra rest. I think Brock Perdy is

693
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: going to have a big year. I think Kyle has

694
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: a lot to prove, and I.

695
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Speaker 5: Just think based on the schedule, I don't think it's

696
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 5: inconceivable they get ten to eleven wins.

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Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears will make the playoffs. First of all,

698
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: I think Minnesota's gonna regress. I don't think Detroit will

699
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: be as good because I don't know if the coordinators

700
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: are and Green Bay could be good, but they're not dominating.

701
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: They don't have dominating personnel. First of all, I think

702
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's got a Sean McVay field first thing attacks

703
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: is the offensive line. Sean Payton, first thing he attacks

704
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: offensive line. Andy Reid's done it multiple times. Fixed the

705
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: offensive line. The Bears offensive line was awful. Some of

706
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Speaker 1: that's Caleb absolutely, but young quarterbacks, even Jayden Daniels, it's

707
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury. They need a mentor, they need a king,

708
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: a guide iber flus defensive staff. Your passing game coordinator

709
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: becomes your head coach. Jonah Jackson, Drew Dolman, Joe Tooney.

710
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: That's a really good guard center guard combination. I think

711
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Speaker 1: it's a nine to a ten win team. Detroit's good,

712
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: not dominating because as Philadelphia showed us you can get

713
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: to a super Bowl if you lose good coordinators or

714
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: replace him with B and c's. Things get ugly by Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: I think the Bears make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Don't hate it. Kyler Murray.

717
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 5: He's one of the best athletes we've ever seen. Is

718
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 5: he a good quarterback? I think this will be his

719
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 5: last season on the Cardinals This GM and head coach

720
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 5: did not draft him. He's never won a playoff game.

721
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Speaker 5: I don't think they're gonna make the playoffs this year.

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Speaker 5: How many years can you go with a high priced

723
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 5: quarterback and not win? Usually those guys get moved. He

724
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 5: still has value. You could put a highlight tape together

725
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 5: just ten twenty plays at Kyler Murray. He's as good

726
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 5: as anyone in the league.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

728
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 5: But when you watch him over the course of a game,

729
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 5: over the course of a month, he leaves leaves a lot.

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Speaker 1: He does. I don't think he can always see receivers

731
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: like two was talked about because of size.

732
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Speaker 5: It's five nine, but he can move. He's got a

733
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Speaker 5: huge arm. I still think he'd have a market. He's

734
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 5: not a bad player. He's if anything, he's a frustrating

735
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 5: player because the talent's there. He's pretty accurate down the field.

736
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 5: Obviously his speed is pretty special, but can he slice

737
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 5: and dice the good teams when he has to in

738
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Speaker 5: the third and fourth quarter, down the stretch of a season.

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Speaker 2: I don't see it happening.

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Speaker 5: So I would expect Kyler Murray in twenty twenty six

741
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 5: to be in a new home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he will have a market because he's still in

743
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: his athletic prime. So I have Dallas blows out the

744
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: coaching staff after one year. Niners close but missed the playoffs.

745
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: A little too old offensively, there'll be injuries. I think

746
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: the NFC North is very even, but I don't think

747
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: Detroit's coaching is as good. And John has the Packers

748
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: win the division, Niners do make the playoffs, and Kyler

749
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Speaker 1: Murray gets moved. I think in over the course of

750
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: two days, the one that people go WHOA is Daniel

751
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: Jones makes the playoffs. Last year C J. Stroud pulled back.

752
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: They blamed the offensive coordinator, they blamed injuries to receivers.

753
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: That one, if that's the crazy one, I think that's

754
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: got legs.

755
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah to be.

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00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 5: We've seen it in recent You know with Baker Mayfield,

757
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 5: Sam Donald high picks resurrecting their career and to me,

758
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 5: the Alex Smith comp he's gonna hand the ball off,

759
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 5: They're gonna play defense. They're not looking for forty touchdowns,

760
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 5: they just need like twenty two.

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00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 2: Okay.

762
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: So the Boston Celtics over the last couple of days

763
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: have made moves. They made another one yesterday. First it

764
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: was Drew Holliday who said his word's not mine.

765
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 3: He was pissed.

766
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: The Celtics traded him to Portland and now Poor zingis

767
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: to the Atlanta Hawks and a three team deal. So

768
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: two big trades in a year coming up that Jason

769
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: Tatum probably doesn't play, and this is the right thing

770
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: to do.

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00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 3: Okay.

772
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: There is maximum punitive penalties now with the luxury tax,

773
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: so financial negligence is severely punished. It was sort of

774
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: punished now even for billionaires. It's severely punished. So the

775
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: Celtics saved one hundred eighty million in taxes making these moves,

776
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: and it shows once again the value of front offices.

777
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: The Celtics have done this multiple times. They're in a

778
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: rebuild or a reboot and they can still vie for

779
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: the playoffs. In fact, I think with Jalen Brown, Derek White,

780
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: Peyton Pritchard and Andfredy Simons can score and hit threes,

781
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: they will vie for the Eastern Conference finals.

782
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: They'll vy for it.

783
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: Knicks don't have a coach. Halliburn's gone with the Pacers.

784
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: Orlando's good but really young. The Magic didn't get KD.

785
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: I never trust the Sixers. They and you know what

786
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: is Cleveland. We're not even sure Milwaukee is the honest

787
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: they or not even if he is, they don't have

788
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: the pieces. So Boston's going to buy. They're gonna hit

789
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: a lot of three pointers. They're gonna be a young,

790
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: very good regular season team. Porzingis gone, Horford probably next,

791
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum down, Drew Holliday was aging, he's gone. And

792
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: this is the classic Boston Celtics. Optimize the presence, don't

793
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: get yourself, don't be the Phoenix Suns, go all in,

794
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: make mistakes, grab a shove, shovel, and keep digging. This

795
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: is why Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens keep over and

796
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: over winning trades. They've got a big picture plan and

797
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: and and and they have no problem rebooting. Generally in sports,

798
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: when you reboot, you get bad. But I think the

799
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: Celtics also looked at Halliburton. Nicks don't have a coach,

800
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: Miami didn't get KD And I think inside the building,

801
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: Boston's thinking we're gonna We're gonna end up in the

802
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference finals because nobody trusts Nobody trusts Cleveland. We

803
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: like Cleveland, we liked him for four years. They never

804
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: done anything without Lebron. We don't trust him in the playoffs.

805
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: So I milwauk Key. With or without Giannis, they're not

806
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: a championship level team. So this.

807
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 3: Is classic Boston.

808
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: Now people will say, well, I mean, they only have

809
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 1: two titles in thirty so many years, aren't They Almost

810
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: all was good. They're almost all was viable. Danny Ainge

811
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: was doing massive rebuilds and they were viable. Jason Tatum's

812
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: rookie year, they made the Eastern Conference finals. So I

813
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: look at them today even without Tatum. In my take

814
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: is yeah, yeah, they're going to be I mean, Peyton

815
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: Pritchard three, Anthony Signum's three, Jaylen Brown defense in threes

816
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: my name?

817
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: Why not? So this is another example of the gap.

818
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Speaker 1: This is what you know for the record, Oklahoma City

819
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: as they were getting all these draft picks. Remember when

820
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City was getting all these draft picks, and.

821
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 3: We're like, man, they're gonna be good in three years.

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00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 3: Remember this couple.

823
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: Couple years ago, and they made the playoffs and so

824
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Celtics have made the playoffs seventeen of the

825
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: last eight eighteen seasons. They've had a complete overhaul number.

826
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: When they shift all the guys to Brooklyn, they got

827
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: all the draft picks, you're like, well, that was a

828
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: good run. Tears, no over beers, Let's go hang out

829
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: at Jo Shony's. This is going to be a rough

830
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: stretch now. They made the playoffs. That's what they do,

831
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: and they do it with great ownership, great front offices.

832
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: And when they reboot, they look around the league and

833
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, save money, save money, save money. Once again,

834
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Speaker 1: they're going to be viable. I mean, I'm thinking this morning,

835
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: I love Orlando. Next year, I think Orlando's going to

836
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: end up in the Eastern Conference finals. The Knicks do

837
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: not have a coach the New York Knicks, and when

838
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: they hire him, he won't be as good as the

839
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: last coach.

840
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 3: That's what the Celtics do. How are two next