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Speaker 1: to the big debate. Last night, we had eight Republic

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Speaker 5: Now is not the time for on the job training.

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Speaker 2: Actually, preview for everybody who's watching tonight, I mean, we

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Speaker 2: That's when Christy called him a chat gpt and landed one.

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Speaker 2: But really where Vivik stood out to me is I

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Speaker 2: Looking at the fact that he's outpulling all these established

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Speaker 7: If former President Trump is convicted in a court of law,

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Speaker 7: would you still support him as your party's choice. Please

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Speaker 7: raise your hand if.

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Speaker 8: You would, whether or not you believe that the criminal

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Speaker 2: That was an important moment. Ramasan was the first person

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Speaker 2: Nonetheless, really what I took away from it is like

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Speaker 3: That's what four or five percent of the overall base.

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Speaker 2: Right, depending on the straight but I mean, overall, I

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Speaker 3: I think it's because of exactly like moments like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, throughout the night, Chris Christie really served

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Speaker 4: The opening question was so atrocious. Yeah, it was horrible, horriblerible.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: Honest with you, Nikki, you're my friend. But consensus is

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Speaker 11: But well, when you're talking about a federal ban, be

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Speaker 5: Seventy percent of the American people support legislation, but abortion.

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Speaker 2: That's what it all came down to. And I was

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Speaker 1: He looked very pronswer the same band that he signed

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Speaker 2: Clearly the donors were loving him from color from inside

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Speaker 1: Goes to Die vag basically launches this presidential campaign and

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Speaker 1: his media career by writing the Anti Woke Inc.

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Speaker 4: Woke Inc.

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Speaker 1: What was it?

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Speaker 4: Woking?

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Speaker 3: Book?

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Speaker 1: And when he first was talking, remember of Saga. We

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Speaker 1: watched his initial appearance and it was all about like

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Speaker 1: ESG and CRT and wokeness, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Did anyone say the word woke?

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Speaker 2: So I'm I believe that the word wokeness was not

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Speaker 2: said once and that amazing. Fudes on a question about

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Speaker 2: trans girls and sports, right, So that's and.

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Speaker 1: It includes on questions about education, which was you know,

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Speaker 1: Ronda Santis's bread and butter, and he got pitched that question.

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Speaker 1: He didn't even say the word wokeness, So I mean,

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Speaker 1: did he mentioned excuse me, CRT, but wokeness not at all.

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Speaker 2: The fact that the word woke was not uttered, both

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Speaker 2: by the questioners and by those who are answering, is

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Speaker 2: absolutely in first of all, incredible development, I think, But

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Speaker 2: second it shows you that they are imbibing a lot

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Speaker 2: of the same polling data where Viveke and both Ron

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Speaker 2: DeSantis the core pitch from DeSantis was and I actually

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Speaker 2: thought that was his most effective pitch. He's like, I'm

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Speaker 2: the governor. I run Florida, one of the most popular

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Speaker 2: states of.

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Speaker 3: The United States. You're talking about crime.

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Speaker 2: I actually have a fifty year low crime rate. You're

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Speaker 2: talking about actually governing in terms of locking the state down.

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Speaker 2: I didn't do that whenever I was the governor. I

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Speaker 2: mean that, I've always believed that was his best pitch,

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Speaker 2: so moving towards that, it's still you know, his overall performance.

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Speaker 3: And then for Vivic too, Vivike was doing two things.

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Speaker 2: He was both selling the America First agenda as like

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Speaker 2: Trump would understand it specifically on key issues, and he's

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Speaker 2: really selling a national identity. I loved this moment where

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Speaker 2: it was Mike Pence versus Ramaswami, where Pence was like,

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Speaker 2: why are you talking about how America is losing its

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Speaker 2: national character? You're betting against the American people, And in

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Speaker 2: my head, I'm like, you were the vice president to

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Speaker 2: the guy who gave American carnage in my opinion, one

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Speaker 2: of the most important speeches in modern American history. I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying it was a great speech as delivered the

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Speaker 2: text of which no American president I'm trying to think,

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Speaker 2: has ever taken and had an inaugural address saying things

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Speaker 2: are not going well right now. Yeah, that's never happened before.

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Speaker 2: It was a landmark moment in American history. Pence served

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Speaker 2: as that man's vice president. Ramaswami is just reiterating the

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Speaker 2: same feeling that. Frankly, I think the vast majority of

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Speaker 2: the country, including many Republicans, feel the right track wrong

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Speaker 2: track number has never been worse than it is right now.

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Speaker 2: So seventy five twenty five, it's very clear Ramaswami is

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Speaker 2: betting on the idea, and not just him, Trump as

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Speaker 2: well is betting on the idea of dissatisfaction, of anger,

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Speaker 2: of a feeling of going backwards. Yeah, that I think

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Speaker 2: fits much more deeply, not only with the overall electorate,

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Speaker 2: with the GOP electorate too huge moment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I mean Pence again is the throwback, right, It's Ronald

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Speaker 1: Reagan morning in America, and it's like, that's not the

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Speaker 1: moment we're living in. And it was fun. I picked

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Speaker 1: up on that same thing. I was like, you were

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Speaker 1: the guy who were you know, you were there for

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Speaker 1: the American carnage speech. You backed up this guy, and

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Speaker 1: I do think that what Pence said last night is

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Speaker 1: actually more true.

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Speaker 4: To his political persona.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 1: I think he you know, I don't think he's like

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Speaker 1: making this up. I think he genuinely feels what he said.

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Speaker 1: I think he just you know, was always a little

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Speaker 1: bit of an odd fit for Donald Trump and his,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, more accurate view of how people feel

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Speaker 1: about the country at this point, as backed up by

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Speaker 1: the numbers. All right, let's go ahead and move on

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Speaker 1: to who we picked our power ranking, who we picked

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Speaker 1: as winners and losers from this debate. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: how I was thinking about this very specifically, is not

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Speaker 1: necessarily who had the best performances last night, but who

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Speaker 1: is going to do themselves the most favors in the polls?

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Speaker 1: Mark like, who's actually going to get a bump from this.

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Speaker 1: Let's go and put this up on the screen. The

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Speaker 1: first one is going to be no surprise. The vag Ramaswami,

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Speaker 1: I think was the big winner of the night. He

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Speaker 1: you know, got a lot of speaking time, second only

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Speaker 1: to Mike Pence.

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Speaker 4: He had.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the biggest thing is like putting aside whether

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Speaker 1: you're with them on Ukraine, against them on Ukraine or whatever.

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Speaker 1: He had the vibes and he was the fighter. He

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Speaker 1: drew so much incoming just by being the center of attention.

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Speaker 1: He I think, really was elevated by the moment. And

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Speaker 1: keep in mind, this is somebody who had one of

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Speaker 1: the lower name ideas of this group, and I think

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Speaker 1: he is certainly going to climb significantly in the polls.

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Speaker 1: The other person that I put is kind of like

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Speaker 1: a runner up winner was NICKI Haley because I do

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Speaker 1: think she she has been almost invisible in terms of

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Speaker 1: this presidential race since she announced. She announced, and then

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Speaker 1: she like dropped off the scene and we really haven't

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Speaker 1: heard much from her. I thought she handled herself very

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Speaker 1: well in a number of these exchanges, including in you know,

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Speaker 1: feisty exchanges with the Veke on both Ukraine and also

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Speaker 1: the exchange she had on abortion. I thought she handled

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Speaker 1: herself well. I think she distinguished herself. I think that,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a chance it's not that she's going

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Speaker 1: to like skyrocket, but I think she'll get She's a

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Speaker 1: three percent in the polls right now.

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Speaker 2: I think she'll get a little bit of a bump because.

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Speaker 1: She outperformed what people expected and distinguished herself and was

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Speaker 1: you know, clear and had in my opinion overall, good night.

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Speaker 3: I think you are definitely correct. I differ a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I do think people should take a listen though to

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Speaker 2: that Ukraine bit that we teased a little bit earlier,

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Speaker 2: because it's important to this context.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: Is there anyone on stage who would not support the

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Speaker 7: increase of more funding to Ukraine?

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Speaker 10: Would we not support it? Europe needs to step up.

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Speaker 10: I mean I would have Europe step up and do

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Speaker 10: their job.

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Speaker 11: Ukraine is the first line of defense for US, and

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Speaker 11: the problem that Vvek doesn't understand is he wants to

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Speaker 11: hand Ukraine to Russia. He wants to let China eat Taiwan.

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Speaker 11: He wants to go and stop funding Israel. You don't

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Speaker 11: do that to friends. What you do instead, as you

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Speaker 11: have the backs of your friends Ukraine at the front

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Speaker 11: line of defense. Putin has said if Russia once Russia

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Speaker 11: takes Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics for next, that's a

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Speaker 11: world war. We're trying to prevent war. Look at what

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Speaker 11: Putin did today. He killed Progosen. When I was at

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Speaker 11: the un the Russian ambassador suddenly died. This guy is

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Speaker 11: a murderer, and you are choosing a murder or over

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Speaker 11: a American country.

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Speaker 12: You know, I wish you well in your future career

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Speaker 12: on the boards of Lockheed and raytheon.

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Speaker 9: But the facts of the matter, and you've been pushing

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Speaker 9: this live stay, You've been pushing this lie all week.

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Speaker 4: You want to go and defund Israel.

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Speaker 10: You want to get let me address that. I'm glad

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Speaker 10: you brought that up.

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Speaker 4: Go and give you address those right now.

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Speaker 13: The false is of a professional politician.

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Speaker 11: There you have it, the reality of America lesson, you

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Speaker 11: have no foreign policy experience, and then show you know

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Speaker 11: what the.

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Speaker 3: Policy experience that you are loving that Ukraine bid.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, she got rocous applause for that. I

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Speaker 1: thought that was the one exchange we're putting the substance

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Speaker 1: of it aside where she's obviously like spouting just like

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Speaker 1: neo Kan worldview, but she's spouting neo Kan worldview very effectively,

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Speaker 1: and the audience raucously applauded her. That was the only

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Speaker 1: time where I really felt it was clear that someone

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Speaker 1: got the better of Avec in an exchange, even though

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Speaker 1: in terms of where he has positioned himself. I think

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Speaker 1: he has more of the GOP base on his side.

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Speaker 1: But on the showmanship, she you know, really.

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Speaker 4: Took it to him.

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Speaker 1: She didn't back down, and I think it was a

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Speaker 1: that's that moment, right there is the reason why I

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Speaker 1: really think she did.

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Speaker 4: Herself some favors.

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Speaker 3: So I was checking the Google search trends this morning.

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Speaker 2: We were both going over it, and the data basically

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Speaker 2: bears out what you said. Vivike Ramaswami had the biggest

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Speaker 2: search term bump of the night. He is obviously the

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Speaker 2: most unknown, you know, funny name, etc. But Haley had

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Speaker 2: the second biggest. We all have to look at it. It

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Speaker 2: actually was equivalent to Vivike. She was the second biggest

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Speaker 2: of the entire night. So I do think she's going

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Speaker 2: to get a big donor pop off of this. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I look, we shouldn't pretend that that view isn't very predominant,

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Speaker 2: at least a part some parts of the Republican Party,

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Speaker 2: specifically the donors. I think a lot of whom were cheering.

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Speaker 2: So listen, I think that she did well. My thing

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Speaker 2: is that I because this entire debate, in a sense

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Speaker 2: is a farce without Trump. I only thought there really

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Speaker 2: could be one winner, and that's why I went and

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Speaker 2: I'll put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Guys, my winner.

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Speaker 2: I just said it was Vivake because at the end

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Speaker 2: of the day here, it's like choosing and parsing multiple

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Speaker 2: everyone here is already fighting for number two, Like you

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Speaker 2: can't be the clear winner when the literal winner is

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Speaker 2: off doing an x interview and is polling at two

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Speaker 2: thirds higher than every single other person on the stage.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's fine to have a moment like

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Speaker 2: Nikki Haley, But you know, I think she'll get a

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Speaker 2: moderate polling bump. I think the Ukraine and the Bill

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Speaker 2: Crystal people will freaking love her. But for the number

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Speaker 2: two slot, the fact is Vivike was already nearly tied

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Speaker 2: with Ramaswami and the RCP polling average Vivican DeSantis. I'm

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Speaker 2: sorry and for Viveke to then have a forty percent

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Speaker 2: non name ID in the state of Iowa, He's going

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Speaker 2: to get massive media attention out of this. His name

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Speaker 2: ID is going to go through the roof. I bet

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Speaker 2: he's going to raise a ton of money. Then those

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Speaker 2: stories about him rising the number two is going to

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Speaker 2: generate even more earned media. It's a cycle of which

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Speaker 2: can only really benefit him, I think up to the top.

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Speaker 1: And you know, he he did a lot for himself,

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Speaker 1: but he also was really given an assist, yes, by

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Speaker 1: the fact that every candidate on stage was basically gunning

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Speaker 1: for him. And you know, it's funny because we expected that,

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Speaker 1: we that he was going to be able to handle

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Speaker 1: himself well, and he did. And we also expected that

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Speaker 1: since he has been willing to go on a bunch

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Speaker 1: of different shows and mix it up with all kinds

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Speaker 1: of different people who don't agree with him, that he

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Speaker 1: would be well positioned to handle those sorts of attacks,

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Speaker 1: and he was. What I didn't expect is that no

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Speaker 1: one would basically even try to lay a glove on

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Speaker 1: Ronda Santis. They basically moved on from him, which is

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Speaker 1: a real sign of weakness on his part as well.

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Speaker 1: But it ended up being a really failed strategy. It

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Speaker 1: would have been much better for the rest of the

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Speaker 1: field if they had pretended like the veig didn't really exist,

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Speaker 1: because they gave him a lot of oxygen. They made

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Speaker 1: him really central and it was very elevating.

657
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Speaker 2: Go ahead over, I was going to say that was

658
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: just so on display with Chris Christie, you know, in

659
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Speaker 2: that moment where he tried to ridicule him for copying

660
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Speaker 2: the by the way, I did think it was a

661
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Speaker 2: bit odd the moment he said the line, I was like,

662
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Speaker 2: isn't that what Obama said? I had hope speech same

663
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: react was that audacity? I forget the two thousand and

664
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Speaker 2: four speech, the red America black whatever, that's the.

665
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no red states and blue stags for DNC.

666
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: Let's call it that.

667
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 14: Yeah.

668
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Speaker 2: So they kind of borrowed one of the lines from

669
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: there and got called out by Chris Christy. Just take

670
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: a listen here, because it's very clear he very much

671
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: got under his skin.

672
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Speaker 14: I've had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds

673
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 14: like chatchy bt stand it up here. And the last

674
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 14: person in one of these debates bread who stood in

675
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 14: the middle of the stage and said, what's a skinny

676
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 14: with an odd last name doing up here?

677
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Speaker 8: Was Barack Obama.

678
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 10: And I'm afraid we're dealing with the.

679
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 14: Same type of amateur standing stage tonight.

680
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 9: Give give me a hut just like you did all

681
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 9: the same, and you'll help elect me, just like Obama

682
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 9: to give me that type of Richard got hold on,

683
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Speaker 9: hold On.

684
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Speaker 2: I thought that was a good perry from a vague

685
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: but also, as you could say, very clear, he drives

686
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: him crazy. They were attacking him all night, and you

687
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: put all of that together and it's just it's a

688
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: it's a victory in terms of attention. Notice Mike Pence

689
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: may have spoken more the entire night, he didn't have

690
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: the same level of moments. He was actually more trying

691
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: to dominate the conversation and also attack the others that

692
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: were on the stage. I think it just irked him

693
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: that He's like, I'm the freaking former vice president. I'm

694
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: sitting here behind these two jokers, and I can't He's like,

695
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: I just can't believe it. It was very much like

696
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: you said, Amy Klobuchar energy towards Pete Boy true clearly

697
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: drives him nuts.

698
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

699
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: The person who was really clear just absolutely lows vague

700
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Speaker 1: with my path.

701
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 4: I mean, it was just visceral.

702
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: From the first mention of him, it was really clear,

703
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: and they had a bunch of exchanges back and forth.

704
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 4: Chris Christy getting booed there.

705
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: I think Chris Christy made a real sort of tactical

706
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: error by saying like it's America, you're allowed to boo,

707
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: because it sort of greenlit everybody to boo everything that

708
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: he said from there on out, and he played the

709
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: heel he's not going to be the Republican nominee. I

710
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: thought it was a decent line there, you know, in

711
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: terms of his hit on Vivek, I also thought vive

712
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: handled it fine. But it just gives you a sense

713
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: of how much he was taking the incoming and ended

714
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: up being the center of attention, which is kind of incredible.

715
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 4: In terms of my losers, let's go ahead and put

716
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 4: this up on the screen.

717
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: You know, two of them are people that we haven't

718
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: even really talked about, Dog Burgram Asa Hutchinson.

719
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 4: They just were kind of invisible.

720
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: Their answers were kind of stumbling, They were awkward to watch,

721
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: et cetera. I mean, I don't even know if I

722
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: should calm losers because they're already at like below one percent, right,

723
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 1: so are they really going to go down?

724
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 4: They probably just stay where they already, be honest with you.

725
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: The other person that I put up here, though, you

726
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: might be surprised, which is Ronda Santis, And the reason

727
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: why is not because I thought he had a terrible night.

728
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 4: I thought he did fine.

729
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: I thought some of his answers were kind of politician y,

730
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: especially on climate change and abortion in Ukraine. He would

731
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: sort of try to find that, like, you know, how

732
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: can I wordsmith this to not really say anything or

733
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: not really take a hard position. I thought that was

734
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: noticeable at certain points, But overall I thought he did fine.

735
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: The problem for him is he can't have all the

736
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: oxygen sucked up by somebody else. And you know, if

737
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this in terms of who's going to

738
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: go up in the polls and who's going to go

739
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: down in the polls, I think it's very likely that

740
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: Rondo Santis goes down in the polls, even in spite

741
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: of the fact that he had a decent ounting, simply

742
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: because for people who are looking for a Trump alternative,

743
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: many of them are going to go to vi Vaig

744
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: or you know, Nikki Haley. To the extent that you

745
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: have other people on the stage who are proving themselves

746
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: to be worthy second place contenders, that's a disaster for

747
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: Rondo Santis, who has to consolidate all of the potential

748
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: non Trump vote to have a prayer at this thing.

749
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is where I'm just not sure.

750
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: I'll put my losers guys up there, please on the screen,

751
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: just so we can show a little bit of a difference,

752
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: so mine as well. I feel like Bergham and Asa

753
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: Hutchinson the obvious. My biggest loser was Christie relative to

754
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: what I expected I thought he was. I put him

755
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: as one of my expected winners of the night. He

756
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: was completely unable to land the shots that he needed

757
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: to both against Ramaswami.

758
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 3: Here was the craziest thing, and this is kind of

759
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 3: to your point.

760
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: He did not say one word against Ron DeSantis, a

761
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: man who he is attacked on Disney, a man who

762
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: he is attacked many times before. If you want to

763
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: consolidate the anti Trump vote, you need to be going

764
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: after Ron DeSantis. He didn't land a single He didn't

765
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: even try a shot against him against Ramaswami. Ramaswami interrupted

766
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: him a couple of times. He parried, you know, pretty

767
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: well on the Obama line as well. He never allowed

768
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: him to self get Marco rubioed.

769
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Speaker 3: He did.

770
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: Christy takes a while to get keyed up before he

771
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: delivers his deadly line. So clearly the lesson has just

772
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: interrupted him, you know, throughout the entire thing, Christy man

773
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: I and also there were the thing is Christy if

774
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: he will notice? And remember he got the set question

775
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 2: of the night where they directly gave him the opportunity

776
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: to contrast with Ronde Santis. They're like, why are you

777
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: better than DeSantis? I believe that was the framing of

778
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 2: the question from Brett Baer. He miffed it totally.

779
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 3: Started talking about his old record in New Jersey. Dude,

780
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: you've been gone for almost a decade. There was way

781
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: too we were talking about.

782
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: Record, right and not even as governor is like you know,

783
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: when he was on the legal side of things like

784
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: it was. It was not a great night for Chris Chrissy.

785
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: The reason I don't put him as a loser is

786
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: because I don't think it's going to really change his

787
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: poll enough. And so that's why I was thinking, but

788
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: what do you think about Rhonda say you think he's

789
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: going to go up.

790
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 4: Down, stay the same?

791
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: I I mean, you say flat, and that's a loss.

792
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: Whenever you're going to see Ramaswamy have such a bump,

793
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: that's so in a certain way, like I don't know,

794
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: I didn't put him as a loser just because I

795
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: thought it was. I thought it was such a wash.

796
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: I want to see how it shakes out.

797
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 3: It's listen.

798
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 2: I mean some of the polling that we've seen people

799
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: ranked him like number three. Again, it's like, eh, he

800
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: was there.

801
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 6: I don't know.

802
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of those round If you're not going

803
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 3: to lose, then it's not necessarily the worst things for.

804
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 4: This guy though.

805
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: Who after the midterms, just remember how hot he was,

806
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: how you know, the future was the headline and he was.

807
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: He was up there right neck and neck with Trump.

808
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: And now to go to the first debate where Trump's

809
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: not even there number one and number two, you're not

810
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: the center, like, you're not the guy that people are

811
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: trying to take shots at, which, you know, on the

812
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: one hand, it's safer for you. It allowed him to

813
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: just go out and do the things that he had

814
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: planned and roll out the you know whatever talking points

815
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: he had prepared, which is not a knock on HND.

816
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: They all had talking points prepared, but he's able to

817
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: sort of do that seamlessly. On the other hand, you

818
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: can see with the Veig what an opportunity it is

819
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: when all of the fire is trained at you because

820
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: you know you can eat.

821
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 4: That's like risk reward.

822
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: And so the fact that DeSantis didn't have that opportunity

823
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: to be the center of attention, to take those attacks

824
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: to prove he's a fighter, et cetera, I mean, it

825
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: just makes him look small. And like I said, to

826
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: begin with the fact that you have other contenders who

827
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: are getting the attention, who are getting noticed or getting

828
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: the Google search traffic interest, et cetera. You can't have

829
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: that if you are DeSantis and you actually want to

830
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: be the top Trump alternative. So that's why I put

831
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: it as a loss for him, and I would expect

832
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: him to go down a bit in the polls. Again,

833
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: not because he had like a terrible night, just because

834
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: of the nature of the dynamics of where he is

835
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: and who really out performed him.

836
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right, Crystal, and all of that

837
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: is very important. Let's move on then to the counterprogramming.

838
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: The important thing that also happened last night. Trump drops

839
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: his interview with Tucker Carlson top line. I'm just going

840
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,479
Speaker 2: to say this on Trump. I thought that he miffed

841
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: it a bit. I think he could have had a

842
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: much better opportunity to earn more orange media if he

843
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: was willing to say something a little bit more provocative.

844
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and listen, he had some funny moments. We're about

845
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 3: to play them for you.

846
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: I thought the most interesting moment that our producers also

847
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: nabbed was the bite on civil war.

848
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 3: Whether he thought we were close to a civil war?

849
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty important whenever you're running for president and have

850
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: some of the record that he has.

851
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: So let's take a listen to what he said.

852
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 8: Do you think we're moving towards civil war?

853
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 13: This tremendous passion and this tremendous love. You know, January

854
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 13: sixth was a very interesting day because they don't report

855
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 13: it properly. People in that crowd, so it was the

856
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 13: most beautiful day they've ever experienced. There was love in

857
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 13: that grid. There was love and unity. I have never

858
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 13: seen such spirit and such passion and such love. And

859
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 13: I've also never seen, simultaneously, and from the same people,

860
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 13: such hatred of what they've done to our country.

861
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 10: So do you think it's possible that there's open conflict

862
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 10: we seem to move.

863
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 13: I don't know, because I don't know what it. You know,

864
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 13: I can say this, there's a level of passion that

865
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 13: I've never seen. There's a level of hatred that I've

866
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 13: never seen them.

867
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Speaker 2: I don't know, Crystal. I thought it was a fine answer.

868
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: I've interviewed Trump before, I've asked him something similar. It

869
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 2: basically was the same stock that he's always given about

870
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: chan six. I mean, you pulled this bite about Kamala Harris.

871
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: I thought this was his only good one.

872
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean agreed from what I saw there was

873
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: and by the way, I mean, just overall, I think

874
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Speaker 1: it was a mistake. I think I actually think I

875
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Speaker 1: have come to think it was a mistake for him

876
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Speaker 1: to not go to this debate, interesting because it allows

877
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Speaker 1: people to imagine a Republican field without him, and I

878
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: think a lot of Republican voters probably saw some things

879
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Speaker 1: that they liked on that stage, whatever like flavor of

880
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Speaker 1: conservative they happened to be.

881
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Speaker 4: So I think it was a mistake.

882
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Speaker 1: I think the specific choice he made to do the

883
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Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson interview on Twitter, which Twitter still under Elon

884
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Speaker 1: Musk as it was before, perhaps even more so under

885
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: Elon Musk, is a niche platform. You know, most people

886
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Speaker 1: are not going to watch any of that interview. The

887
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Speaker 1: fact that you chose to, you know, rub Fox News's

888
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Speaker 1: like knows in the fact that they turned against you

889
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: and turned against Tucker or whatever. Also doesn't serve you

890
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: because it means they're not going to talk about your

891
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Speaker 1: interview whatsoever.

892
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Speaker 4: They're not going to share any eclips.

893
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: There was nothing provocative in it to grab the headlines

894
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: and wrest them away from Vivek, who is certainly having

895
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Speaker 1: his moment in the sun right now, and so he's

896
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Speaker 1: done something very uncharacteristic, which was to allow someone else

897
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Speaker 1: to grab the spotlight and to allow Republicans to imagine

898
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Speaker 1: a party in a field without him. So I think

899
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Speaker 1: it was a mistake. And then in terms of the

900
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Speaker 1: content and interview it was boring.

901
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Speaker 3: I'll give the counter it got some hundred and something

902
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Speaker 3: million views so far.

903
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Speaker 4: You know that's fake.

904
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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's totally that.

905
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Speaker 2: Whether is not real that I scrolled past it or not,

906
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Speaker 2: who knows what the real number is. I most I

907
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Speaker 2: think I'll split the difference. I think that at the

908
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: end of the day, it won't matter whether he came

909
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: or not. In terms of the mistake, I think it

910
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: was a mistake democratically small d in order to give

911
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Speaker 2: voters a chance. I also think looking at the stage,

912
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: I think he would have dominated everybody there.

913
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: He would have crushed.

914
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 2: So, if anything, he had a missed opportunity to just

915
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Speaker 2: make everybody look like infants, which I think he would

916
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Speaker 2: have done just given his own the sheer amount of

917
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Speaker 2: political skill he has visa v what we saw last night,

918
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Speaker 2: where we really only saw one or two people with

919
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Speaker 2: some real shine out moments, I think Trump would have

920
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: absolutely dominated. But in terms of the content, like you

921
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 2: were saying, I was shocked at how little he was

922
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Speaker 2: willing to engage and play it up because he's such

923
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Speaker 2: a showman.

924
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Speaker 3: To that long.

925
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Speaker 4: It was very low energy.

926
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Speaker 3: He was lower energy.

927
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Speaker 2: He did have one funny moment, as I said on

928
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, let's take a listen to that.

929
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Speaker 13: She has some bad moments. Her moments are almost as

930
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Speaker 13: bad as his. I think his are worse.

931
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Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, she seems pretty senl too.

932
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Speaker 13: She speaks in rhyme. It's weird. It's weird, but she

933
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Speaker 13: has bad moments and in rhyme. Well, the way she talks,

934
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Speaker 13: the bus will go here, and then the bus will

935
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Speaker 13: go there, because that's what busses do.

936
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Speaker 6: It's weird.

937
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Speaker 13: The whole thing is weird. This is not a president

938
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Speaker 13: of the United States future.

939
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Speaker 3: He's right, I mean, what is the technical term? I

940
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Speaker 3: am big pantameter of he is onto something though.

941
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Speaker 1: I mean Marshall had the best insight on Kamala Harris,

942
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Speaker 1: which is she's always trying so hard to like Aaron's

943
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Speaker 1: ork in it and say something meaningful, and it's like, just.

944
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Speaker 4: Just like say the thing.

945
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Speaker 3: You would be better off with basic syntax.

946
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Speaker 2: The final moment was on Epstein, where he both seems

947
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Speaker 2: to say that he thinks Epstein killed himself, but he

948
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Speaker 2: leaves himself a little bit off to he dodged the bit.

949
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Speaker 2: I was surprised by this. Let's take a listen, guys, do.

950
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Speaker 10: You think Epstein killed himself? Sincerely, I don't know.

951
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Speaker 13: I will say that, you know he was a fixture

952
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Speaker 13: in Palm Beach. Yeah, I don't know what Barr said

953
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Speaker 13: about it either. I have no idea what he said.

954
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Speaker 13: What did he say he killed himself?

955
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Speaker 2: Probably he said he killed himself and that they were

956
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Speaker 2: gonna do this investigation.

957
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 10: They never did the investigation. It's public and they hit

958
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 10: it and like, why are they doing that?

959
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: He literally Barr knew, but why would Bill Barr be

960
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 2: covering up the death of Jeffrey Epstein.

961
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Speaker 13: Bill Barr didn't do an investigation on the election fraud either. Okay,

962
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Speaker 13: he said he did, and he pretended he did, but

963
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Speaker 13: he didn't. MC Swayne, the US attorney in Pennsylvania Philadelphia,

964
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Speaker 13: said Bar just wouldn't let him do It was crazy.

965
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Speaker 1: I was reminded of the time he got asked about

966
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Speaker 1: Gleene Maxwell, remember that at the Poet and it was like,

967
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Speaker 1: I wish well, and everyone's like.

968
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Speaker 6: What he knew her?

969
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Speaker 3: This is the thing you knew them? As he said

970
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Speaker 3: he knew Jeffrey and Palm Beach.

971
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a fiction of Palm Beach. Was like, that doesn't

972
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Speaker 1: really pertain to the question that was asked.

973
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Speaker 3: Here's that famous line.

974
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Speaker 2: What did he say where he's like Jeffrey he likes

975
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Speaker 2: him young or so something like that whenever they knew

976
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Speaker 2: each other back in the.

977
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Speaker 3: Mar A Lago days.

978
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Speaker 2: But he claimed that he was pissed off at Epstein

979
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Speaker 2: and so he banned him from the club. Anyway, those

980
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Speaker 2: were like the Big three. I guess, yeah, people are

981
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Speaker 2: forty six minutes. That's mostly what people took notice of.

982
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: I don't think he did it effective of enough of

983
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: a job of earned media, because it's not just about

984
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Speaker 2: the interview or whatever itself and the people who watched it.

985
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: It's about actually getting others to cover it.

986
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Speaker 2: And it's clear, you know, I'm looking at the front

987
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: pages of the New York Times and all of the

988
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Speaker 2: other major papers, as well as some of the banners

989
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Speaker 2: from Fox News, but also you know, in terms of

990
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: YouTube creators and others, and you know, the main headline

991
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Speaker 2: mostly comes out of the debate and not from the

992
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Speaker 2: X interview.

993
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 4: And that's way more interesting.

994
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he needed if this were to be a success,

995
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Speaker 2: it would have to have been a big event that

996
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Speaker 2: forced the media to cover it.

997
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: And I haven't seen that very uncharacteristic who if anything else.

998
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a man who knows compelling TV

999
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: and he really didn't create any in that inner and

1000
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: got completely unshine by the Republican debate.

1001
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 4: So, you know, rare, rare situation in terms of the

1002
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 4: Trump Show.

1003
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: All Right, We've got Emily and Kyle standing by to

1004
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: also weigh in and see their thoughts on whether Trump

1005
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: made a mistake here by not showing up to the debate,

1006
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: and we want to hear their overall debate thoughts as well.

1007
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 4: So let's go ahead and get to it.

1008
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 1: All right, We've got our power panel here in the house.

1009
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 4: We got Emily and Kyle to add their thoughts on

1010
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 4: the debate last night. Wanted to start guys with the conversation.

1011
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: Saga and I were just having what do you guys

1012
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: think about whether or not Trump made a mistake by

1013
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: not doing the debate and deciding to do this Twitter

1014
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: interview with Tucker Cross and Emily.

1015
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 4: Go ahead, what are your thoughts?

1016
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think it was a mistake. I mean,

1017
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 6: I think he wins either way because he's got forty

1018
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 6: points in the polls. I think his interview with Tucker

1019
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 6: was compelling.

1020
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 3: It's on a new platform.

1021
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 6: It did get a lot of views. We don't know

1022
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 6: how many because those numbers are so juiced and fake. Yes,

1023
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 6: but at the same time, it was fairly viral. There's

1024
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 6: a lot in it. He got to talk about whatever

1025
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Speaker 6: he wanted to talk about, and he didn't have to

1026
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 6: look like he was debasing himself. Again, I think he

1027
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 6: should debate, but he like from a strategic point of view,

1028
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 6: he just can't lose at this point when he's forty

1029
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 6: points up unless there's a real someone mounts a very

1030
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 6: serious threat to him. But he's even up twenty six

1031
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 6: points according to rcp's average.

1032
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 10: In Iowa right now.

1033
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 6: So unless there's a really serious threat to him, I

1034
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 6: just don't see how he loses. He could have crushed

1035
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 6: that debate. I think he probably would have had a

1036
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 6: lot of viral moments, a lot of fun with it,

1037
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Speaker 6: like circa twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. But again, I just

1038
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 6: don't think there was any way for him to lose,

1039
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Speaker 6: despite like whatever decision he made.

1040
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 3: Yes, what do you think, Kyle?

1041
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 12: I mean, if he just showed up and farded on stage,

1042
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 12: you would have won the debate. I mean I remember

1043
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 12: back in the previous elections, he would show up. There

1044
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 12: would even be nights where he had an off night,

1045
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 12: and still the reaction would be all the poll show

1046
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 12: he won, all the focus groups say he won. There's

1047
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 12: something about his vibes that resonates with the GOP base.

1048
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 12: So the only way he could lose is by not going.

1049
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 12: And I actually think that you're going to see a real,

1050
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 12: real minor of chipping away on his numbers.

1051
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 10: Again, I agree with Emily.

1052
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 12: I don't think it's going to actually make a difference ultimately,

1053
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 12: But I do think you'll see a three, four or

1054
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 12: five point reduction in his numbers, and that'll sort of

1055
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 12: spread out among the candidates who did well.

1056
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1057
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: Could he could have humiliated everybody on the stage and

1058
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: basically closed the door for anyone. You know, Chris Christy

1059
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: was not on his a game last night, so I

1060
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: don't think he would have been a real threat to

1061
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: Trump in terms of, you know, any sort of exchange there.

1062
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 4: And what I said earlier is he.

1063
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Speaker 1: Actually opened the door for Republican voters to envision a

1064
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: post Trump Republican party, which is not something that he

1065
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: should allow. And very uncharacteristically, he also allowed someone else

1066
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: but vike Ramswami, to basically grab the spotlight from him.

1067
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 4: So do I think that means that like Vivik's going

1068
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 4: to beat him?

1069
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Speaker 6: No?

1070
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 4: But do I think it erose his support some?

1071
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: Do I think that it enables someone else to get

1072
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: some oxygen for Republican voters to imagine different Yeah.

1073
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 4: I do think from that perspective it was probably a mistake.

1074
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 6: Although he still loomed really large. There was this whole

1075
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Speaker 6: extended segment about Trump himself he was. I mean, he

1076
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 6: was there very much. And I think from the perspective

1077
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Speaker 6: of a Republican voter, they're still thinking about Trump when

1078
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Speaker 6: he's not in the room, even when all these guys

1079
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 6: are answering questions. And to your point, Crystal, I agree.

1080
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 6: I think that's so interesting to see this group of

1081
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 6: people who are not Donald Trump, who are jocking for

1082
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 6: the nomination and for the average Republican voter, I think

1083
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 6: a lot of people looked at that and were like, damn,

1084
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 6: this is what we got. These are my choices, And

1085
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 6: I mean, in some sense it explains why you still

1086
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 6: have so few undecided voters in the Republican primary.

1087
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Speaker 2: One of the things that kind of came across to

1088
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Speaker 2: me Kyle was one of the reasons why Viveke was

1089
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: doing well was because he wasn't running against Trump like

1090
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: he was actually the bigger defender of Trump. And so

1091
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: in that way, when you have a power dynamic like that,

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Speaker 2: I kind of do agree with you where even if

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Speaker 2: Trump had showed up, if it really would have robbed

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00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: Viveke of the spotlight, because in Viveke couldn't just defend

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00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: Trump and be the person kind of standing up some

1096
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: of the more America First, MAGA policy areas like he was.

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00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: It gave him more of a contrast, and I think

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00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: he would have had if Trump was there. That said,

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Speaker 2: I mean, because he's looming so larger of this whole thing.

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00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: It's just difficult to look at this as you're a

1101
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 2: loss or a win. Like you said, three four points.

1102
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: I mean, Trump doesn't care. That's that's more than he's

1103
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: already made up. Since Ron De Santis and vivek announcement.

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Speaker 12: I think the vec's numbers will go up, but I

1105
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 12: think that those people are still going to vote for Trump,

1106
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 12: you know what I mean. So it's almost like it's

1107
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 12: like a sort of a fake win. I think he's

1108
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 12: gunning for VP slot or something in the administration. And

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00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 12: I do have justlight disagreeing with you guys on the VEC.

1110
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,479
Speaker 12: I feel like he did straight in the first half,

1111
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 12: but then in the second half, I feel like he

1112
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 12: really got hammered into the ground.

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Speaker 3: So you watched it twice, Yes, I'm curious. Sorry, go ahead, Grissel.

1114
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: Well, I was just gonna just to keep it on

1115
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: Trump for another moment here because the other question would be, like,

1116
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's disgraceful that Trump didn't show

1117
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: up at the debate. I think it's disgraceful that Joe

1118
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: Biden isn't going to debate. I think it's disgusting. I

1119
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: think you want to talk about, like, you know, deterioration

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00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: of democracy or whatever. I think this is number one

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00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: case in point. However, we have a poll that we

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00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: can cite here that shows that Donald Trump. They asked,

1123
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: was Donald Trump right to have attended the debate? To

1124
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,919
Speaker 1: have not attended the debate, seventy one percent of Republican said, yeah,

1125
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: that's the thing.

1126
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 3: It would do.

1127
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 12: It would be the opposite if he went. If he went,

1128
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 12: it'd be like ninety eight percent say he should have gone.

1129
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 12: So like, I don't take much.

1130
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: From this, which just shows you, but it just shows

1131
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: you how central whatever he does.

1132
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 12: They're like, I agree, I agree, but you know, have

1133
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 12: fun moving those deck chairs around on the top of

1134
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 12: the Titanic. Because he's got ninety one criminal charges against him,

1135
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 12: and eventually I think he's going to be going.

1136
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 10: In to prison.

1137
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 6: Well, and again, his numbers have gone up, and you

1138
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 6: guys have talked about this many times. His numbers are

1139
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 6: going up. The more the indictments stack up, the more

1140
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 6: Trump supports stacks in the Republican primary, in the Republican

1141
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 6: non the general, and maybe there's a ceiling in the

1142
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 6: Republican primary on that. We haven't seen it be the

1143
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 6: case so far. In fact, what we've seen is the

1144
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 6: gulf widening between him and everybody else, which is another

1145
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 6: interesting thing when you look at this group of people.

1146
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 6: The analogy that I'm thinking in my head, it's like

1147
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 6: you have some of the people from varsity playing on

1148
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 6: the JV squad that would be like DeSantis, which is

1149
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 6: why you know he wasn't dunking right like yes, where

1150
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 6: Vivek is the freshman, so he's like dunking left and right,

1151
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 6: like he's trying even if he misses, he's trying to

1152
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 6: show that he can jump. He's trying to get it

1153
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 6: all in. And when you have Pence and Christy like

1154
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 6: begging for airtime basically like they just looked like they

1155
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 6: were debasing themselves just to get a like this is

1156
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 6: a former vice president of the United State, it's a

1157
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 6: former governor of a state, and they are just squabbling,

1158
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 6: scrambling for airtime with people like Doug Burghum, I mean,

1159
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 6: come on looks. It's a bad look.

1160
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Speaker 4: It's really especially I think more people should have skipped

1161
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: the debate.

1162
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 6: No, no, I think they should have just I think

1163
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 6: they should have just like not been scrambling so desperate

1164
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 6: dignified like Mike Pence kept if Mike Pence kept saying like,

1165
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 6: oh I want to get in here, like he's saying.

1166
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 3: That out loud, and I was like, oh, buddy, come

1167
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: on the vice.

1168
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 6: President, like let viveg do that.

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Speaker 12: There's no winning for them though, if they if they

1170
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 12: didn't say anything, everybody'd be like, why are you being

1171
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 12: so meek? Why are you being so nebbish? Are you

1172
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 12: being so weak? Which now they say a lot and

1173
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 12: it's like the bro relax.

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Speaker 10: They just can't win.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of it's kind of a humiliating thing for

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Speaker 1: anyone who I mean, it's very humbling, especially for if

1177
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Speaker 1: you've been former vice president and you got to be

1178
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: there on the City. You can tell how much it

1179
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: irked him not to be there with Asa Hutchinson and

1180
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: Doug Burgram, who he views because they have political cretentials

1181
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: as legitimate and he didn't find it disrespectful to be

1182
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: on stage with them. Mike Pence despises the vag Ramaswami

1183
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: and we made this comparison earlier, but it really does

1184
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: remind me of Amy Klobashar and the way she felt

1185
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: about Pete Boodaget.

1186
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 4: She thought, this guy has done nothing.

1187
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Speaker 1: He was a mayor of this tiny town here, I've

1188
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: been a senator, I've done all these things. Like you

1189
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: could viscerally see how much she despised being up there

1190
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Speaker 1: next to him. And then he comes out and actually

1191
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: is you know, gets higher in the polls and places

1192
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: better and I better in New Hampshire, et cetera very

1193
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: humiliating experience, oftentimes running for president of the United States.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: Let's underscore this also though, in terms of why it

1196
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily work out for Pence. We have a focus

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00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: group that CNN actually did immediately after the debate in Iowa.

1198
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Speaker 2: So let's all take a listen to that about who

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Speaker 2: they said actually won the debate.

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Speaker 15: Here's what I want to ask you about who you

1201
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 15: thought did the best during this debate. Basically, who do

1202
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 15: you think won the debate? I'm gonna do it in

1203
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 15: alphabetical order to be fair. Anyone think Doug Bergham did

1204
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 15: the best.

1205
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 6: That zero?

1206
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 15: Anyone think Chris Christy did the best. He certainly got

1207
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 15: most of the airtime, a lot of the airtime, not

1208
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 15: most of the airtime. How about Ron DeSantis? How many

1209
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 15: of you think Ron DeSantis did the best? That's two people?

1210
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 15: How about Nikki Haley one, two, three, four people, Asa Hutchinson,

1211
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:46,959
Speaker 15: Mike Pence zero theyk Ramaswami one, two, three, four, five

1212
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 15: six seven Tim Scott Okay, So this panel here thinks

1213
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 15: Ramaswami won the debate.

1214
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: So I personally really like that focus group because it

1215
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: matches up with my when HER's and losers number.

1216
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 4: One top one was Viveke and number two.

1217
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 1: I actually thought Nicki Haley of the like also rans

1218
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: did herself some favors, in particular in her exchange with

1219
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: the VIC on Ukraine where she actually got the crowd

1220
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: behind her. I thought it was the one moment where

1221
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: Viveke was really kind of on his heels and where

1222
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: she got the better of him in that exchange.

1223
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,959
Speaker 4: But Kyle, what are your overall thoughts?

1224
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 12: So, like I said, I think Ramaswami came out of

1225
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 12: the gates hard and he was doing well early on.

1226
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 12: I think he fell off massively. He had a number

1227
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 12: of lines where he got like very clearly booed his

1228
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 12: thing on climate change, calling it a hoax. I think

1229
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 12: on the issue of Ukraine, regardless of what you think

1230
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 12: of the substance, I think Nikki Haley got the better

1231
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 12: of him on that. I even think Mike Pence got

1232
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 12: the better of him on that. There were moments where

1233
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 12: he just sort of like, you know, faded into the background.

1234
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 12: He was shining bright and then he sort of faded

1235
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 12: into the background. So I don't agree with you on

1236
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 12: that at all. My biggest winners like you. On Nikki Haley, I.

1237
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 10: Think she did way better than anybody expected.

1238
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, she beat the bar.

1239
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 12: But I also think and this you'll definitely have an

1240
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 12: issue with this one. I actually think DeSantis had a

1241
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 12: way better debate than I was expecting. And I watched

1242
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 12: it twice, and when I went back and I listened,

1243
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 12: there was a number of lines where he got like

1244
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 12: really loud applause, so nobody laid a glove on him,

1245
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 12: and he was able to get his talking points out.

1246
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 12: He got really loud applause. And I think that he

1247
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 12: comes out of his looking the best to be honest,

1248
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 12: what do you think.

1249
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 6: I actually agree completely with that point, because again, I

1250
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 6: think all he needed to do he knows that this

1251
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 6: debate is not going to make a huge dent in

1252
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 6: the polls, Like that's actually probably one of the most

1253
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 6: important things, like predicates that you could come into that

1254
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 6: debate as a candidate thinking unless you're a vague, unless

1255
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 6: you're like the freshman and the analogy that I'm not torturing.

1256
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 3: But I think DeSantis just.

1257
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 6: Needed to be there. He needed to not have any

1258
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 6: moments where he gets dunked on, and he didn't need

1259
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 6: to have moments where he dunks on other people. He

1260
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 6: just needed to be solid because this debate is not

1261
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 6: going to change a forty point lead. That's going to

1262
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 6: have to be done in the ground, on the ground

1263
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 6: in Iowa.

1264
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 4: Well, it's sad that you're both wrong.

1265
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 6: I thought Jonah Hill won the debate.

1266
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 4: I don't think we can all agree on it.

1267
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: No, So here's my analysis with Desanta's I thought, I

1268
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: agree that I thought he's in fine. Like I didn't

1269
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: think they had any big mess ups. I thought I

1270
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 1: had some answers that were kind of like weasily a politician,

1271
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: But whatever they all have those moments, right. I thought

1272
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: he was totally solid and I expected him. I put

1273
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: him as one of my predictions as a winner going

1274
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: in because the bar has been set so low for

1275
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: him with all of the like, let's mind every awkward

1276
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: moment we possibly can a Rond de Santis and you know,

1277
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: convince people that he is like the weirdest human being

1278
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: un planet Earth. And he's a little weird, but he's

1279
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: not the weirdest human being un planet Earth. So I

1280
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: do think that he exceeded the bar. I thought he

1281
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: was perfectly solid. But if you're Ron DeSantis and you

1282
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: were the guy that was tied with Trump in the

1283
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: polls for a while, that coming out of the midterms,

1284
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: you were the winner. You know, you were putting points

1285
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: on the board, like check the score or whatever. For

1286
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: you to lose the spotlight to viviak Ramaswami, for you

1287
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: to get out shown by like Nikki Hayley, that's a

1288
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: big loss. And I think that his polling will probably

1289
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: go down just because this is with this divided field.

1290
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: If you have other people who are sucking up oxygen

1291
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: and getting attention, you know, so it's got to come

1292
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: from somewhere. It's probably not coming mostly from Trump, and

1293
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: so that's why I think overall, in some ways he

1294
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: was the biggest loser because he's so diminished from where

1295
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: he used to be.

1296
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 12: Go ahead, can't hold his past against him. The question

1297
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 12: is whether or not he won that particular debate.

1298
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 4: Well, the way I'm looking at this is where what

1299
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 4: are the Poles going to do?

1300
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Speaker 14: Right?

1301
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 10: I think I think they're going to go up for

1302
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 10: him for sure.

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Speaker 2: Well I'm very serious to that though, because the thing

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Speaker 2: is is that DeSantis has slid, as Crystal is saying

1305
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 2: now from thirty five to forty all the way down

1306
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: to the RCPA or somewhere between sixteen seventeen. Ramaswami already

1307
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: around twelve. I was talking about this earlier in the

1308
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,479
Speaker 2: show Iowa he's got forty percent, no name id, People

1309
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: don't even know who the guy is. So if DeSantis

1310
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 2: slips from that and then Ramaswami starts to get up,

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Speaker 2: not only is Ramaswami then potentially taking over Ron DeSantis,

1312
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 2: but then there's an entire media cycle about this guy

1313
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: came from nowhere and is now overtaking number two with

1314
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 2: an earned media that spirals there. People like to pick

1315
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 2: a winner. I mean, look all of this again, as

1316
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 2: you said, Emily, Trump is above all of this.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, they're all Trump voters. Ramaswami has no actual support.

1318
00:55:59,040 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 10: These are all Trump voters.

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00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: But I mean, listen, there are some people, at least

1320
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: in Iowa currently, from what we can see, let's say,

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00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: let's call it one third, maybe let's call it any

1322
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 2: between one third and approximately up to like forty percent,

1323
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 2: there's people that are not They like Trump, they have

1324
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 2: a lot of affection for Trump, They're willing to vote

1325
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Speaker 2: for somebody else, especially in this ridiculous caucus system.

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Speaker 3: The whole how does it work?

1327
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 2: It's like one two and then you know, if this

1328
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 2: person goes away, then you can go and you can

1329
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 2: caucus with somebody else. They kind of look the whole

1330
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: what is it? They vote with their heart in Iowa.

1331
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 2: So I think that in that scenario, I could see,

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00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 2: I can see a big.

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Speaker 12: Knight told them Trump is the best president of this century. Yeah,

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00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 12: so why are you running?

1335
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:38,479
Speaker 3: Listen?

1336
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 10: Why are you running? It makes no sense?

1337
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: I really wish Emily the moderators asked that damn question.

1338
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 3: If you believe that, why are any of you running

1339
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 3: against Trump? I would I would actually love to see

1340
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 3: that question.

1341
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 10: Here's the thing.

1342
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 12: Everybody on stage was either a total Trump siicophant or

1343
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 12: a Trump hater except one person, Ron Desanti's interesting. It's true.

1344
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 12: So there were a bunch of lines. He hit lockdowns

1345
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 12: and the deep state and Fauci. He got a huge applause.

1346
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 12: He hit Soros funded DA's huge applause. He did his line,

1347
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 12: which I actually when I went back and watch it

1348
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 12: the second time, I thought he handled this brilliantly. When

1349
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 12: they were trying to get him an answer like did

1350
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 12: Mike Pence do the right thing? He basically said, look,

1351
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 12: I've got no beef with you, Pench, you did the

1352
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 12: right thing. But then he went, why are we even

1353
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 12: talking about this? Though we're helping the Democrats, we should

1354
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 12: be focusing on the issues. He got a big applause

1355
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 12: on that. He said, kill people at the border, leaving

1356
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 12: Stone cold dead. Got a big applause on that. By

1357
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 12: the way, I hate all of these things, but I'm

1358
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 12: just saying it landed special forces invading Mexico to attack

1359
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 12: the drunk ker, huge applause on that he's only one

1360
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 12: who didn't get hit and wasn't a Trump siicophant and

1361
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 12: wasn't a Trump hater like Asa and Christie were. So

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00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 12: I definitely think he comes out of this looking the best.

1363
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, because the other piece is like, what

1364
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: did you think this debate was about? And to me,

1365
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: this debate is not about beating Trump. This debate was

1366
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: about being the top alternative to Trump, and given the

1367
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: Republican base's affection for Donald Trump, the best way to

1368
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: position yourself as the top alternative to Trump is by

1369
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: being as Trump sycophantic as you possibly can.

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Speaker 10: So Beta, I think I love him, but for me,

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Speaker 10: I think the best it is one percent.

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Speaker 4: It's totally Beta.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time that you say you know that,

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Speaker 1: you say it's beta. Vivic was the person who had

1375
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: the most like you know, assertive like vibes on the stage,

1376
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: and so much of this is about the vibes. He

1377
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: was the fighter, he drew the fire, he was able

1378
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: to pairy the attacks. He was the center of attention,

1379
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: sort of coming out of nowhere. And so the fact

1380
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Speaker 1: that you know, he was the center of the show

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00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: and DeSantis, who was really supposed to be the guy,

1382
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: was on the sidelines. You know, I think in terms

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Speaker 1: of that jocking to be the potential number two. There's

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Speaker 1: just no doubt in my mind for a vake won

1385
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Speaker 1: that away from DeSantis.

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Speaker 6: I haven't been for like the last couple of months,

1387
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 6: been thinking every question that the Vey handles in regard

1388
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 6: to Donald Trump is exactly how Rondo Santis should have

1389
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 6: been handling it from a strategic perspective, because it's that

1390
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Speaker 6: huge Trump contingent that is going to vote for him

1391
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Speaker 6: right now, and if you are trying to take that,

1392
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Speaker 6: maybe there's some persuadable people in there that you can

1393
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 6: get into your basket. If you're trying to do that,

1394
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 6: you have to have to show that you're on the

1395
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 6: same page as them when it comes to Donald Trump.

1396
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Speaker 6: Otherwise you are going to be put in the basket

1397
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 6: of an establishment hack who doesn't understand what Trump did

1398
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 6: to the Republican Party. If you're somebody who votes for

1399
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 6: Donald Trump, you're somebody who's saying I'm tired of establishment politicians.

1400
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 6: Rond de Santa is acting like an establishment politician and

1401
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 6: having these canned answers when it comes to Trump. I

1402
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 6: genuinely don't think it's been helpful.

1403
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 2: Let me back up what she's saying and I want

1404
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: to hear your response, which is that at the end

1405
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 2: of the day, all these people are running as number two,

1406
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: and the hope and prayer is that something happens to Trump,

1407
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 2: as you said, he goes to jail, and then the

1408
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 2: MAGA people actually have to choose somebody alternatively, very low chance,

1409
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: but it's possible. I've told this anecdote before. Lynnon Johnson.

1410
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: They asked and they're like, why are you meeting the

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00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 2: vice president? You're one of the most powerful people in Washington.

1412
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Speaker 2: And he named the number of presidents that have been killed.

1413
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Speaker 2: I think he's like one in five. He's like one

1414
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Speaker 2: in five. I like those odds, Darlin.

1415
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 3: That's what he said to a reporter.

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Speaker 10: So it's like, that's.

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Speaker 6: Effectively the game, and that's when all these guys, we're younger,

1418
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 6: are playing. Yeah, that's true.

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00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 2: Young So in this scenario, VIVEIQ by defending Trump, the

1420
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: most can consolidate. In this hypothetical like black Swan scenario,

1421
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 2: which is which is the only path.

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Speaker 12: For Yeah, So in that I don't get first of

1423
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 12: all these people they're siloed off, they're in their own bubble.

1424
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 12: There was when they asked a question about like if

1425
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 12: Trump gets convicted, would you still vote for him? And like,

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01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 12: everybody's hand went up except Asa and Christy. When I

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01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 12: look at that, I'm like, general election over. I understand that,

1428
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 12: but I'm saying, but, okay, what's the ultimate goal. They're

1429
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 12: running for president? The ultimate goal is to get to

1430
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 12: the White House. Okay, so congrats. You might if Trump

1431
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 12: ends up in prison, you might have weaseled your way

1432
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 12: by sucking them off into getting into the position where you're.

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Speaker 10: Gonna get but you're gonna lose. You're gonna lose. So

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Speaker 10: I just look at this.

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Speaker 12: I think, to me, it's like, oh, Vivek's being called

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Speaker 12: anti Simes. There's nothing anti establishment about this guy. First

1437
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Speaker 12: of all, I know, yeah, and when you're when you're

1438
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 12: snuggling up to the guy with ninety one criminal charges

1439
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 12: against him, and you think, what that makes you an outsider?

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Speaker 1: And he was.

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Speaker 12: Of course, he was trying to be anti war on

1442
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 12: the one hand, but then on the other hand, he

1443
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 12: kept bringing up China in a hawkish mat He's called

1444
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 12: for war with Mexico over the drug cartels. I just okay,

1445
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 12: But substance aside, I don't I think that that beta

1446
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 12: strategy makes you a beta, like I don't think anybody

1447
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 12: who's supporting the VEC is actually going to support the VEC.

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Speaker 12: I think, I agree with you A numbers are going

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01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 12: to go up after this, but I think it's fake support.

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01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 10: I think they're ultimately all going to vote for Trump

1451
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 10: because the VEC is telling them Trump's the guy.

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01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 6: Publican voters will see it as beta that Rhanda Santis

1453
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 6: is taking DC talking points on Trump. That's the Republican

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Speaker 6: voter perspective.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.

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01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: Let me display Devil's advocate in terms of like a

1457
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Speaker 1: possibility to another like a Trump actually getting outright defeated,

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01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: which I don't think is going to happen. I think

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Speaker 1: that he would have to be sort of removed by

1460
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Speaker 1: going to jail or something crazy like that. But you know,

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Speaker 1: in Iowa and in New Hampshire, I'm looking right now

1462
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Speaker 1: at the Real Clear Politics average, and he's quote unquote

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01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: only forty three percent in Iowa and forty four percent

1464
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: in New Hampshire. That means a majority of Republicans are

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Speaker 1: actually not with him in those states, yes, and are

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Speaker 1: at the very least evaluating their alternatives right now. In

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Speaker 1: both of those states. As it stands, Ron de Santis

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Speaker 1: is the top alternative. I would submit it is very

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Speaker 1: possible that after this debate, Vivik moves into that position

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Speaker 1: of being the top Trump alternative with all of the

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Speaker 1: media attention. Americans love also like a fresh new face,

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Speaker 1: someone we didn't hear about before Nuance.

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Speaker 4: They like we.

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Speaker 1: Americans love that story, regardless of the political party.

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Speaker 12: That they're in.

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Speaker 1: And so I think the fact that he out shown

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Speaker 1: DeSantis and was the center of so much attacks from

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Speaker 1: some figures on that stage that Republican base, by the way,

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Speaker 1: really hates, I think that's very beneficial for him.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's really deletious for DeSantis.

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Speaker 6: The math in Iowa is actually interesting. It does not

1482
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Speaker 6: match up to the general election math, but it does

1483
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Speaker 6: have desantus down by twenty six points. And the fact

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Speaker 6: that we're even calling that interesting is funny because we

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01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 6: are still pretty far away from people actually going to

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Speaker 6: caucus in Iowa. But if Ron de Santis and vi

1487
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Speaker 6: Vike Ramaswami start to become competitive in Iowa, what's important

1488
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Speaker 6: to think about is that is the reverse basically of

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Speaker 6: what's happening Nash, and that most people in Iowa say

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Speaker 6: they want to vote for somebody other than Trump. He's

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Speaker 6: still under fifty percent I think in Iowa. Yeah, and

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Speaker 6: that is fascinating because that means you get into a

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01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 6: scenario where you maybe have people dropping out like what

1494
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 6: happened with Democrats in twenty twenty. And if somebody does

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Speaker 6: manage to win Iowa. Ted Cruz went to Iowa in

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Speaker 6: twenty sixteen. This is why I think Rond de Santis

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Speaker 6: campaign strategy, which is very directly to put all of

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Speaker 6: their eggs in the Iowa basket. I think it's stupid

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Speaker 6: to begin with, because you can win Iowa and still

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01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 6: not do much, but you could consolidate a portion of

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01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 6: the Republican vote and then see if you can flip

1502
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 6: that national math to look more like Iowa. It's a

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01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 6: long shot, Yeah, but THEVEC and I. If Ronde santa'sn't

1504
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 6: Viveke come close like that, you're going to see some

1505
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 6: really interesting stuff happen.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask a different question that I'm curious about.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Trump is going to start attacking

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01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: Viveke if he does go up in the polls and

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01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: does take some of the spotlight.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's it.

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Speaker 10: N I don't think not yet.

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01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 12: I think the only I think Trump will only start

1513
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 12: attacking the veck when Vivek says something negative about him.

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Speaker 10: That's how Trump operates. He's super transaction.

1515
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 12: You could say eighty things negative about him, but if

1516
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 12: the very last thing you said about him was positive,

1517
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 12: then it'll be a great guy, wonderful guy, really smart.

1518
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 4: Maybe, but you might be.

1519
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm ambivalent about this question myself. I don't know the answer.

1520
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: But he's not a counter argument would be that the

1521
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: other thing you can do to Trump outside of, like,

1522
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, being disloyal, is dealing a spotlight.

1523
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 12: He's not a threat. See that's where we fundamentally disagree.

1524
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 12: I think he's so not a threat and he's so

1525
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 12: beta that Trump is loving. Is he's getting free advertisements

1526
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:29,919
Speaker 12: from the guy who is at the debate?

1527
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 14: Yes and no.

1528
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 3: So look Trump is a media whore.

1529
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 2: A front page of the New York Times this morning, Ramaswamy,

1530
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 2: you know, debate dominates debate front page of the Washington

1531
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 2: That's a good point, Romis Wammy, I mean the Trump

1532
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: New York Post, Ramaswami, our headlines, Ramaswamma.

1533
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 10: Trump was given him credit, though Trump was given press too.

1534
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 2: At that Look this is why I hated desantas in

1535
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 2: the first one, DeSantis didn't say one word about him.

1536
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 2: It was when DeSantis was getting winning Florida by twenty points.

1537
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,439
Speaker 2: It's when DeSantis was actually getting better headlines than Trump

1538
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 2: was that it started to driving crazy. The one reason

1539
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: why I think it's a little bit different is Trump

1540
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 2: feels stronger today than he did about DeSantis several months

1541
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 2: ago when DeSantis was much nearer to him in the polls.

1542
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 2: And I think that Vivike does a much better job

1543
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 2: of actually playing ball. He's one of those where DeSantis

1544
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 2: clearly is irked by the Trump attacks. DeSantis also has

1545
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 2: hit back in like veiled ways. ROMs Pymy will never

1546
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 2: do that, and I think it's actually a correct move

1547
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 2: whenever it comes to running again for this hypothetical number

1548
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 2: two to number one scenario. So if there is a

1549
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 2: situation where Trump attacks him, it will be because of

1550
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 2: this earned media. But I don't see that happening just yet,

1551
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 2: because Vivek is still flashing the pan in terms of

1552
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 2: this number, this amount of media attention. Think about the

1553
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 2: amount that DeSantis has had for almost what two years,

1554
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 2: all throughout the COVID pandemic up until the GOP primary.

1555
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 3: Viveke hasn't had anywhere close to that.

1556
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: It would have to reach that level for him to

1557
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: begin to regard him as a serious threat.

1558
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 12: Look, I just look at vivec as the Republican version

1559
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 12: of Pete buota Je. And I also look at him

1560
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 12: and even though I agree with you, his numbers will

1561
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 12: go up after this. You know, there was a moment

1562
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 12: when Ben Carson was leading in the Republican primary.

1563
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 10: There was a moment when.

1564
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 12: Herman Kane was There was a moment when Carly Fiorina

1565
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 12: had a good debate and led for two and a

1566
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 12: half seconds. So I look at it.

1567
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 10: I look at it kind of like that.

1568
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 12: And also I think, just final point, I know, I'm

1569
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 12: beaten up on the guy, but like he is so politicianing.

1570
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 12: And the whole thing about Republicans, which actually gave them

1571
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 12: a lot of credit for, is that they are much

1572
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 12: more likely than Democrats to go I don't want any

1573
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 12: of your politician nonsense.

1574
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 10: And I just I get that stench from the VEC

1575
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 10: and it just it. I don't see it. I don't

1576
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 10: see it.

1577
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 4: Emily.

1578
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: One thing I wanted to get from me specifically is

1579
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: the VAC and Ronda Santis both when they launched their

1580
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: campaigns all in on anti wokeness.

1581
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 4: That was the center of their pitch. That was the

1582
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 4: center of.

1583
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: DeSantis' like legislative agenda in Florida. Florida's Where Goes to Die?

1584
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: Vivek wrote the book like this was their thing. No

1585
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: one said a word about wokeness last night.

1586
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 3: We don't think it was said once. Do you remember.

1587
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 6: I think Nikko Haley said it once. I think she said,

1588
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 6: like there's some woke stuff happening in schools. I think

1589
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 6: it was like atty passed.

1590
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: But it was certainly wasn't a question, It wasn't a focus.

1591
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: Ronda Santis got pitched, pitched a question down the center

1592
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: about like tell us about education.

1593
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 12: Word did not come out of his mouth, you know

1594
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 12: CRT though he didn't mention that doesn't sure that's adjacent.

1595
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 10: It's adjacent.

1596
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: It's just think of Okay, just for comparison, remember when

1597
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: Silicon Valley Bank collapsed and they were like the wokeness,

1598
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: and discourse we were in was like, literally, you know

1599
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: what's wrong with the military, the wokeness? Every single problem

1600
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: it came back to wokeness. And then for that to

1601
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: be completely disappeared from the debate last night, they got

1602
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: the memo.

1603
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 4: This was not the thing that res cared about.

1604
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 6: So I think it is literally a memo. That would

1605
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 6: be my way is that they actually did focus groups

1606
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 6: and they've been pull testing this. And especially when you

1607
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 6: have really high inflation, when you have horrific wildfires of Maui,

1608
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 6: it is not going to look good to get on

1609
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 6: that stage and just start banging the wokeness drum over

1610
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 6: and over again, which to people and I'm actually really

1611
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 6: curious about this. I'd love to see numbers, especially the

1612
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 6: numbers that they clearly have behind the scenes, about wokeness

1613
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 6: if it has just start to start to feel like

1614
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 6: a cartoonish, empty type of rhetoric and as opposed to

1615
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 6: something that felt real in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one,

1616
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 6: when people were actually like reeling from what was happening

1617
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,919
Speaker 6: in COVID schools, what was happening in big cities. It's

1618
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 6: just maybe feels stale to people now, and it maybe

1619
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 6: feels fake to people now, and so you have to

1620
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 6: find a different way to talk about it. And so

1621
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 6: I think that is a huge takeaway. You guys are

1622
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 6: completely right about that. I don't think anybody made a

1623
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 6: mistake by not laying in. I agree to wokeness. With

1624
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 6: that language, he can talk about critical race theory, but

1625
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 6: woke has just started to feel.

1626
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 2: What I'll Backkyle up on is I thought Desanta's was

1627
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 2: the best version of himself last night, as in he

1628
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 2: was constantly talking about He's like, I'm the governor. I'm

1629
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 2: the governor one of these popular states. I actually did this.

1630
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 2: You know, Florida, we have record, little crimer. Everything was

1631
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 2: about governance and experience and going to his political record.

1632
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 2: I really appreciated that version of him because I've always

1633
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 2: thought that was his strongest thing. He's like, listen, people

1634
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 2: moved to Florida because of my leadership. End of story.

1635
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 2: I want to turn America.

1636
01:08:58,479 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 15: You know.

1637
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 2: I want to give that same dream to everybody else.

1638
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:02,839
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot going on. I don't necessarily

1639
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 2: if I want America to be Florida. But that's like,

1640
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 2: let's put that aside. The point being that that's a

1641
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 2: very strong message that I think both is a GOP

1642
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 2: and a general electorate message that DeSanto was disabled to convey.

1643
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean I think it was solid. I think

1644
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 12: he was only one who didn't get a glove laid

1645
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 12: on him.

1646
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 10: He was in and out quick. He got a bunch

1647
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 10: of big applause lines.

1648
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 12: And actually I was surprised after the debate when they

1649
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 12: released you know who talked the most? I think he

1650
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 12: came in third, which I was like, I didn't even

1651
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 12: realize he talked that much.

1652
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 2: He got to aunt Hence Vivac and the Pence Vive

1653
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 2: Christie and then then Santas.

1654
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, but to your point, like, yeah, what happened.

1655
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 12: I thought wokeness was the number one problem in the country.

1656
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they happen.

1657
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 10: You didn't bring up the number on problem country.

1658
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: Basically, what happened is Ron DeSantis leaned all the way

1659
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: into that and his polls.

1660
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 10: Went, Oh, that's exactly right. Maybe, but we have such

1661
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,839
Speaker 10: good message discipline. These guys flip on a dime. Man's

1662
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 10: this is going to sound so really weird.

1663
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 6: But Jennifer Hannison came out this week saw that and

1664
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 6: criticized culture. Yeah, it's like twenty twenty three, and everyone shrugs.

1665
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 6: If she had done that, like one of the world's

1666
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 6: biggest movie stars, one of the world's biggest TV stars

1667
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 6: coming out and being like, listen, I think cancel culture,

1668
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 6: Like what is it? Maybe it goes a little too far.

1669
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 6: That would have been headlines for days. She would have

1670
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 6: had to put out an apology, et cetera, et cetera.

1671
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 3: Can I say what was so annoying about that quote?

1672
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 2: She said quote, I'm so sick of cancel culture, and

1673
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 2: then she goes, I'll probably get canceled for safe.

1674
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, I was like, shut up, Jennifer, Okay,

1675
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 3: even know she said you.

1676
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 10: Made a joke in nineteen ninety seven. I'm against for.

1677
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 2: The Morning Show season three. I was there for season one.

1678
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 2: Season two is like, I think it's a little ife.

1679
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 6: Season three.

1680
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 3: I'm not sure anybody asked.

1681
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 6: I see a lot of you guys in the morning.

1682
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 10: The only thing that you're.

1683
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 2: Correctly getting is that people get bitchy and annoyed when

1684
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 2: they have to wake up early morning for this job.

1685
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 3: That's a whole lot of me too.

1686
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: So let me tell you guys some numbers. This is

1687
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: from Jail Partners and the Daily Mail. They did you

1688
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: know quick poll last night after the debate of who

1689
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: won and who lost, and partly I want to get

1690
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: from you guys We've talked about the vague a lot.

1691
01:10:58,520 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 4: We talked about Ronda Santis a lot.

1692
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 1: I want to get from you all of the sort

1693
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 1: of also rans if you thought anyone stood down? So

1694
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: who in your review performed best in the debate of

1695
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 1: Republican voters? Twenty eight percent said Viveke That was number one,

1696
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: but very closely behind him Number two Rondo Sandus twenty seven,

1697
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: number three, Mike Pence, number four, Tim Scott, number five,

1698
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: Nikki Haley, Next is Chris Christy, then Doug Asa, and

1699
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: then at nine percent, don't know, did you?

1700
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 4: What do you guys think of those numbers?

1701
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: And I'm curious, like I said about some of the

1702
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: also rans, because I personally thought Nikki Haley did herself

1703
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:33,759
Speaker 1: some favors and she exceeded my expectations since the beginning

1704
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: of campaigns.

1705
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 4: And she launched, she's kind of disappeared.

1706
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: I thought she reasserted herself and you had a good

1707
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: exchange with Viveke and also was very strong on her

1708
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: views on abortion.

1709
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 4: What did, Kyle, What did you think in terms of

1710
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 4: also rans? Anyone stand out to.

1711
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 12: Yeah, So here's my breakdown of it. Bergham and Asa

1712
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 12: barely exist. They should have been asleep. They would have

1713
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 12: been more productive. Ace's eye popped halfway through to the

1714
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 12: May it was bloodshot. Red Burgham was high as balls

1715
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 12: on percocet, which that's what's up.

1716
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 10: Live your best life.

1717
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 4: But he had it because he had didn't have a

1718
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 4: pocket constitution.

1719
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 12: He had a pocket constitution. He also had a torn

1720
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 12: achilles too, so there was a lot going on there.

1721
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 12: But those guys they barely exist. Pence was way more

1722
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 12: aggressive than I expected and way more high energy. But

1723
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 12: you know, he also his super religiosity came out. I

1724
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 12: think Pence is also incredibly politician. He had moments where

1725
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 12: it was like, oh, that's such a politician line.

1726
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 4: The sanctimonious.

1727
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 10: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 6: It's like the Marshall Sorkins thing that you were talking about.

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Speaker 10: He practiced it. It's like he practiced some of those

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01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 10: lines in the mirror. I said in front of God.

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Speaker 2: I think that's actually that means oh really genuinely, that's

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Speaker 2: kind of Oh that's interesting that which is why it's

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Speaker 2: so weirdly more authentic.

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Speaker 6: But it's very similar on and off. Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I also thought there were moments where he was having

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01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 12: a legit identity crisis. On stage when he's trying to

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01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 12: explain January sixth, It's like, who are you trying to

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Speaker 12: convince her?

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Speaker 10: I did the right thing. I did the right thing.

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01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 10: Like it was very it was very needy.

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Speaker 12: It seemed like he wanted the audience as approve for

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01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 12: his like whole January sixth stick. I think Nicky Haley

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01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 12: agree with you. I think she's one of the winners

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Speaker 12: of the debate. I think her numbers are going to

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01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 12: go up. She did way better than I. First of all,

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Speaker 12: I expected nothing of Nicki Haley at all. I find

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01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 12: her incredibly boring. She's a donor creation. But then when

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01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 12: she got up there, she started throwing some haymakers. I

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01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 12: was like, okay, Nikki, so she I think she did

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01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 12: a decent job. Tim Scott did better than I thought,

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01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 12: but he has no juice, so it doesn't really matter.

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01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 12: Christy did a mediocre performance, but everybody was against him,

1753
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 12: everybody on stage, everybody in the crowd. He had tough odds,

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01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 12: and that's that's pretty much everyone.

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Speaker 4: You miss Perry Johnson being on this loss.

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01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 3: I miss Larry Elder.

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01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 10: I get a segment. I think Larry got screwed.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about it. I haven't looked at it.

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Speaker 12: I looked into it, and it looks like because he

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01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 12: used a Rasmussen poll and they told him after the fact,

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01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 12: you're not allowed to use a Rasmus in pole.

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Speaker 2: It's like you guys use Rasmusten poles all the time.

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Speaker 2: It's a good point, actually, Emily, final thoughts, what do

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Speaker 2: you think?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so, first of all, I thought it was hilarious

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Speaker 6: that AESA was bragging about being the former head of

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01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 6: the DEA while looking blazed. Anyway, I just actually I

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01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 6: think a big takeaway from those numbers is this is

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01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 6: a huge loss for Tim Scott, who has been banking

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01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 6: on doing very well in the debates. There's actually a

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01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,719
Speaker 6: lot of money behind him, which is not surprising because

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01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,679
Speaker 6: he's on the Banking Committee, but there's a decent amount

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01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 6: of money. He's really been working on an infrastructure in

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01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 6: Iowa in those early states, and to I think flop,

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01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 6: he didn't just do well, he actually was a little

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01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 6: less than that he was. It was a little less

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01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 6: than solid or baseline, because there were times when he

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01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 6: was just like pushing so hard to speak, and there

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01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 6: were times when it was like he paused after being

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Speaker 6: asked a question.

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Speaker 4: It was just it comfortable moments for him. I thought, yeah,

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01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 4: nothing like horrendous. But he needed to have the Nick

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01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 4: Haley night exactly, especially.

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Speaker 2: When everyone's running for such a small lane. He's like,

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01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 2: you've got to dominate that man.

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Speaker 6: He needed that. He needed to have Nicky Haley or

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01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 6: Pence where he was injecting himself confidently into the conversation

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01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 6: and taking some of those big exchanges in a way

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01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 6: that was actually appealing to those kind of Pence type

1790
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 6: that that lane, that never Trump lane. He really needed

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01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 6: to hammer it, and he just didn't, despite the fact

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01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 6: that he does have a lot of money behind him

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01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 6: and there is there are resources invested in him, so

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01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 6: to not even do baseline well at a debate is

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Speaker 6: a pretty big one.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's actually a great point because the donors

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01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: are shopping around her. Yeah right, they were going to

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01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: be behind DeSantis. They're kind of like, eh, this didn't

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Speaker 1: really work out. We didn't love your answers on Ukraine

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Speaker 1: and on abortion and other things.

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Speaker 4: They've been shopping.

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01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 1: They've been thinking about Glenn Younkin, and you know, if

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01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: they go to sleep at night or whatever. I think

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01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: out of last night's debate, the donors are gonna be

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01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 1: taking a big look at Nikki Hiley and they've always

1806
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:34,560
Speaker 1: been had in a finished for her. Yeah, you know,

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01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: she has the right ideological positioning for them. She's trying

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01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 1: to moderate on abortion. She you know, has the Neokon

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01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: view on Ukraine. Like she's in the right places ideologically.

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01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: And I think they'll look last night at her performance

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01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 1: and say, oh there's something here, and she might be

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01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: the next like donor flavor of the moment, which is,

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01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, that's the thing that gives you money, that

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01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: keeps you in the fight, that gives you positive Fox

1815
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: News headlines and Wall Street Journal headlines and whatever. So

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01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 1: it's definitely a thing that matters, doesn't get you to

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Speaker 1: the presidency.

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Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, big winner was Paul Singer there in that debate.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I agree with you the best.

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Speaker 12: I don't feel like it matters though, Yeah twenty sixteen

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Speaker 12: all over again.

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Speaker 3: You're probably right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, we have to go, Thank you so much.

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