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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back All the Smoke season three. That what's up, bro, Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm crump Man my ball on the show today. Man, Man,

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Speaker 1: hey man. We've been trying to get this dude for

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Speaker 1: a minute. It's just no fingerprints, no evidence. It's hard

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Speaker 1: to track this man, damn. But he finally let us

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Speaker 1: throw a net around him. Man. Both of our teammates

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Speaker 1: are brothers. Great player, but just a better person. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show. Jamal Crawford, Hey, y'all was trying to

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Speaker 1: get me. I was trying to get y'all. I've been

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Speaker 1: looking for y'all. Time to looking for you. You've been

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Speaker 1: looking for me. Man, he is here. He's here with

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Speaker 1: a little bit of facial hair too, he said, he

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Speaker 1: let it grow out. Now you know, he don't have

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Speaker 1: to fool him no more. Yeah, I ain't got a trick.

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Speaker 1: They know what it is now. Yeah, it's O triple

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Speaker 1: O G status now. I mean my fucking twenty years

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Speaker 1: in the league. Definitely. We had I t back um

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Speaker 1: at the end of season two and we actually called

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Speaker 1: you during he called you during the show. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: this has been highly anticipated to finally get you to

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Speaker 1: sit down with us. I wish we were in person.

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Speaker 1: At some point we'll get you in person. Were probably

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Speaker 1: gonna come funk with you in the proem in the summertime.

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Speaker 1: But it's just good. It's just good to have you, man,

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Speaker 1: it's good for you to be here. We wouldn't get

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Speaker 1: to a show if he was in person because you

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Speaker 1: know how you like the tip of niggas laughing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we would have got through that positive energy. Man, I

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Speaker 1: got energy now. I mean, I've been a fan of

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Speaker 1: y'all show man from day one, like for real fan.

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Speaker 1: I've watched all your episodes from Kimgriffe Junior to Steph

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Speaker 1: to lou Will to I t Too, Everybody to everybody

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Speaker 1: Fat Joe. I've watched everybody like I've I've been one

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Speaker 1: of the biggest supporters and y'all making it look so

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Speaker 1: good man, It's it's so big for our culture. It's

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Speaker 1: almost like you know how drip Champs is when they

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Speaker 1: when they pay how I mentioned show love to the ones.

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Speaker 1: It's been the game for a while. It's the it's

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Speaker 1: the basketball version, right and y'all do the dopest ship.

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Speaker 1: So I'm exciting, you know, I appreciate that. Brow first

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Speaker 1: time meeting Stack, do you remember that? What were your

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Speaker 1: thoughts the first time meeting him? I remember the first

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Speaker 1: time I saw him that I can remember. He was

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Speaker 1: with he was with this what's your home? You would

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Speaker 1: spurs that? Oh three, yeah, it was all three. I

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Speaker 1: think that was the first time I really remember he

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Speaker 1: was as cool as fuck hood as soon as our

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Speaker 1: song like reminded me of of of how we grew up,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like so it was just

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Speaker 1: that that natural like love for each other. That's the

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Speaker 1: first time I've ever really seeing them, seeing him and

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Speaker 1: then getting the story and obviously playing with him, but

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Speaker 1: that was later on down the line. But I remember

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Speaker 1: he was in Jersey. We threw that crazy lots of stuff,

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Speaker 1: a fan of his, just how he moved and had

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Speaker 1: his game like he had that he had that O

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Speaker 1: g old Man game that you couldn't do nothing with

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Speaker 1: almost how Paul Pierce plays, and you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: guys like that. Every time we played each other, we

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Speaker 1: should always talk about how we wanted to play on

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Speaker 1: the same team and play together, you know, talk about that,

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Speaker 1: talking about that every time we saw were talking about that.

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Speaker 1: We gotta play together, we gotta played And it finally

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Speaker 1: happened to Golden State and he was one the first

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Speaker 1: you know, Matt how y'all had it rocking. But Stack

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Speaker 1: with Stack in Monte and Goose with the Lynch fans there.

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Speaker 1: So just to come there. That's the first time I

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Speaker 1: came in and it was sunny outside when I woke

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Speaker 1: been the dog like this is cool, you know what

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Speaker 1: showtime you smell that popcorns popping, you know that popcorn

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Speaker 1: it's not Let's talk about your upbringing and written Washington,

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Speaker 1: the ball coming down the street. I see somebody and

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Speaker 1: he doing for real? For real? Then even going to

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Speaker 1: in the plane and everything. So I've just been around

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Speaker 1: the game forever and just always dream and dream about

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Speaker 1: being in the NBA. So it was it's a crazy,

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Speaker 1: crazy thing. And people would tell you used to be

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Speaker 1: the kid whin the Chicago Pools breakaways because of Michael

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Speaker 1: tell you a Jamaal. You always had the ball and

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Speaker 1: you adalyize? Oh m, it wasn't even close like he

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Speaker 1: he was. He was the one that allows you to dream.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I said about great players, like there's

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Speaker 1: great players and some of the greatest players and they cold.

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Speaker 1: We all pay homage, But you look m J and

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Speaker 1: he allowed you to dream. It was like you almost

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Speaker 1: saw you could hear some smooth jazz or some some

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Speaker 1: I loved him. I loved Magic, loved loved Isaiah. I

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Speaker 1: If you played at random, Beach High produced a number

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Speaker 1: of players such as Doug Kristy, Nate Robinson, Kevin Porter

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Speaker 1: fun stories around the time when he was playing there?

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Speaker 1: Nate Nate was my the one I played with, so

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Speaker 1: same way he is right now, Like six in the morning,

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Speaker 1: I remember one game Nate threw me a live and

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Speaker 1: like I did the summer. So I never do that again.

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Speaker 1: So I just stay. I kept my game on the ground.

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Speaker 1: After that, I was like, they don't cool, You're crazy

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Speaker 1: He was basketball players, State Player of your his senior

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Speaker 1: was the best in high school? How was that like

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Speaker 1: the house flus? That was my mixtape? If I was

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Speaker 1: I call the same social media, so building the bus,

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Speaker 1: Now you know I'm going on small tours. I'm doing

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Speaker 1: me and only Dug Grand was the two high school

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Speaker 1: to cut you off, Doug Grand to talk about it,

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Speaker 1: about Dougrand but go ahead, all right for sure. So

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Speaker 1: that's my that's my House of Blues, you know, that's

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Speaker 1: my that's my family Fund Center, and it was my

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Speaker 1: ESPN Zone concerts. So I'm doing that. I'm killing now.

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Speaker 1: The buzzes grew so much as high school. So high school,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, and I don't even see all of it.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't playing against Damon Stout and Shaun Kimper, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So for me, I wasn't trying

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Speaker 1: to average number. I was trying to win the state championship.

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Speaker 1: And they became such an event. That's when Gary Page,

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Speaker 1: Sean kim They're coming to my high school games, like

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Speaker 1: coming to watch me. I think King Riffey Jr. Came

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Speaker 1: became kind of like a celebrity and not like a

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Speaker 1: in l A, Like yeah, but that's that's how it

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Speaker 1: I was probably top three or four most popular basketball

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Speaker 1: I gave it to him and just kept moving. And

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Speaker 1: I remember my sister told me, and she was like,

427
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,720
Speaker 1: you become a bigger version of it. You already were.

428
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Speaker 1: Once you come into a lot of fame or a

429
00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,520
Speaker 1: lot of money. You know, if you was an asshole,

430
00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,600
Speaker 1: you canna be even bigger asshole now because you got

431
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Speaker 1: one way to kind of stunt on people. If you

432
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Speaker 1: were somebody who gave it was a giver, you'll give

433
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Speaker 1: you the more you had, more an abundance. So for me,

434
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Speaker 1: it took me a little while to give my foundation

435
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,879
Speaker 1: in place, but I was already doing that stuff. It was.

436
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 1: It was dope about it for me. Out of every

437
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,440
Speaker 1: hundred things I do, they only report one of And

438
00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,679
Speaker 1: to me, that's like the sign of really giving from

439
00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,879
Speaker 1: your heart. It's not for the other stuff. Sometimes you

440
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,920
Speaker 1: got to do the other stuff can inspire people and

441
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,440
Speaker 1: get them, you know, get them to give as well.

442
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,080
Speaker 1: But I like to give an oonymously like that. So

443
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,879
Speaker 1: it's it's really really dope. That's that's it makes me happy. Honestly.

444
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,680
Speaker 1: I earned a Scotlish them to the University of Michigan, Yeah,

445
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,920
Speaker 1: and committed to play Brian ellerb. How was the recruiting

446
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 1: process for you? Not any other schools that was interested

447
00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 1: in recruiting you besides Michigan. Yeah, so it was. It

448
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,840
Speaker 1: came down to Michigan. When I was kid, obviously, like

449
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,879
Speaker 1: I said, I was in the backyard shoes. If I

450
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Speaker 1: make this shot, I remember, I'm not even illige with

451
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 1: at the time, ninth grade. If I make this shot,

452
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to Michigan. If I make this shot, I'm

453
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,439
Speaker 1: gonna be in the NBA three to one, right, I'm

454
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,159
Speaker 1: making those shots at the time. But I'm it actually

455
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 1: worked out like that, which is the craziest shit ever

456
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 1: because there's a million kids doing that and it doesn't

457
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 1: work out that way. So I'm just so blessed, and

458
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 1: I always dream about going to Michigan from the Fab five, like,

459
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 1: the five is everything to me. They changed everything from

460
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 1: the from the ball heads, the bagging shorts, the Barbey's all,

461
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,400
Speaker 1: just the swagger they played with. I'm still not sure

462
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 1: you'll see five true freshmen come from high school friends

463
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Speaker 1: to the n C Double Championship and do it again sophomore.

464
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 1: So I was messing rized and then I wanted to

465
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Speaker 1: visit there. And when I went out committed early, I

466
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: was like, dam don't want to Michigan, Like it was

467
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Speaker 1: everything I thought, and they gave me Jadon Roses Locker,

468
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,399
Speaker 1: who's my favorite player at the five. I'm like, oh,

469
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Speaker 1: it's over with. So they came down to them Fresnel

470
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Speaker 1: State with tart Uh yeah, it's hard Washington of course,

471
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 1: and then U c l A. And I remember talking

472
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Speaker 1: to Bed. I've never told this story. I remember talking

473
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Speaker 1: to b D and I was like, bro, you're gonna leave,

474
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 1: because you know he's at the time, he's a sophomore

475
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,719
Speaker 1: in college and he ended up leaving. I'm like, Dan,

476
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Speaker 1: if he would have told me he was gonna leave,

477
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 1: I wouldn't one to U c l A. You know,

478
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 1: I've been playing with y'all and I've never spoke that's

479
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: playing with y'all crazy to lose, to lose get you

480
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: because y'all was wearing the blue IBN since at the time,

481
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Speaker 1: I remember all that the shiny Ones yeah, and Steve,

482
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 1: Steve lad was reproving me. Yeah, slone went to I

483
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 1: would if I knew that, do what other schools does

484
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: recruiting you. So it was it was Fresno State, Washington,

485
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Speaker 1: u C, l A in Michigan. And like I said,

486
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 1: at that A, you see, I kind of blew up.

487
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 1: So I had I could have went a lot of places.

488
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 1: And after that they was like, Okay, you're getting letters

489
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 1: from Kentucky, now from Kansas, you know what I mean,

490
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 1: different places Louisville. But I really wasn't really considered him.

491
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: I was either stay on the West coast or go

492
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Speaker 1: to Michigan. At the start of Nice and Ninete season,

493
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: he got six games to Spenser from the n C

494
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: Double Layer. The retro actly rule that this high school

495
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: living arrangement has breached the by laws a whole bunch

496
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 1: of bullshit and big bullshit. Yeah yeah, what that was about, bro.

497
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: So out here in Seattle, y'all know the tech world,

498
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people of money. There is a

499
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Speaker 1: lot of people of money. And remember I just told

500
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Speaker 1: you guys that my grades is messed up coming from

501
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 1: from l A to Seattle. So when I got here,

502
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: I started meeting people, and I met somebody who helped

503
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Speaker 1: me with tutor in gave me clothes, like money for

504
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 1: clothes and everything. He wasn't giving me money like hey,

505
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Speaker 1: I want you to go to college. I want you

506
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 1: I'm a program, none of that. So it wasn't like

507
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Speaker 1: he was a booster or alumni or a program. It

508
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 1: doesn't do a basketball period. And so the n c

509
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: double A found that out when I was in college

510
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: and they were like, yo, you're doing this in high

511
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Speaker 1: school and like y'all, like I was very up front,

512
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: like yeah, I got a tutor, I have much. You

513
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: gave me some clothes, and so with that, they said

514
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: I broke the rule of amateurism. It wasn't even rule

515
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Speaker 1: at the time. So once they did, once they did

516
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: their due diligence and they saw I was I was cool.

517
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: They were like, okay, well we're gonna reinstate you right,

518
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: but you gotta miss a certain amount of games because

519
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: they had banned me from college basketball. I was banned

520
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: from college basketball because I broke the room of amateurism

521
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,239
Speaker 1: in their eyes, and so they did all their due

522
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: dealigen and state reinstated me, and at that time I

523
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: put my name in the draft for crazy story. So

524
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: we're about to play Michigan State. Our team is doing well,

525
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: we're thirteen and four. I believe we're about to play

526
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,479
Speaker 1: Michigan State is being gaming. Digby tells doing it now,

527
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: you know us coming into to college. Like Digby tells, like,

528
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: we wanted to say you were diaper dandy, any of that, right,

529
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: And so he's pumping me up before the game. I

530
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: think Spike leaves at the game. It's a national TV game.

531
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. I'm leading score, lead assists, lead

532
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: my team in block. Leaving stills like you know, as

533
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: a freshman. So they're like, okay, we're gonna play Michigan State.

534
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: And Michigan State was nice as the footstone. So they

535
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: won the championship that year. Mo Cles, Mo Pete, you know,

536
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: Charlie Bell all there, and they it's in Michigan, it's packed.

537
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: We get a chance to, you know, see how we

538
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: match up. And they tell me two seconds for the

539
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: game start, and they're like, also's gonna be one game.

540
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: That one game turned into the season. I put my

541
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: name in the draft, and I'm gonna tell y'all something crazy.

542
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: I was not gonna leave after my freshman year. I

543
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: only put my name in the draft, and they said

544
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: you gotta come back early from some school. I said,

545
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 1: Sething school. I just left two weeks ago. Oh so

546
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: I said, all right, I got something for y'all. I

547
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: wanna put my name in the draft. Now. You can't

548
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: make me come back to some school because I'm going

549
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: through this process. And so that's what happened. People thought

550
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: I was crazy. I go to Chicago camp, tear it

551
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: up for two days, go to Chicle camp late because

552
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: I wasn't going. I'm like, I'm not going to my college.

553
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: Coach was zero. My assistant coach, Curtis Town that candid

554
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: shout him. He's like, come here, you're killing I come

555
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: there day late. Still, the showing three days, don't play

556
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: again afterwards ended up being a lot of in Michigan.

557
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: Was history at that point. Damn, Yeah, that's crazy. I

558
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: was gonna g I was gonna get in to how

559
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: you came back and you had the Crawford crazies and

560
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: what you came back. But yeah, if the if the

561
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: you know I am was in I would have been

562
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: making that was my question. That was gonna be my question.

563
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean with the movement you had, and like I said,

564
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: this is from the internet. Really yeah, I mean the

565
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: movement you had. What could you have done with this

566
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: new n il rule all that killed it? Because I

567
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: was because you gotta think Michigan's like it's it's world

568
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: famous right the block, and people forget I was at

569
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: school with David to Real, Larry Foote, Tom Braden, Like,

570
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm at school with those guys, and I'm one of

571
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: the most popular players on campus. I have my own

572
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: like you just alluded to, I have my own student section.

573
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: So I was. I think I was the only player

574
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: in the country besides like their team student section that

575
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: had his own players section within that. And at the time,

576
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: nobody's when we were head bands. I'm worried to college

577
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: and it took off, so everybody had the Crawford crazy.

578
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: That's crazy to you about that? The Crawford crazy. Yeah, yeah,

579
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: you know I probably would ate up with that one. Mmm.

580
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: They wasn't ready for you, fan, No family came that

581
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: Spruce Rachel, you know it's gonna hey my my, big my,

582
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: big Holdie big Free. I got shot at him out.

583
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: He's from Detroit, so he gave me a plan and like,

584
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: you guys both know me. I'm very calculated. So hey,

585
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: you had a plan, he said, Look, the first game

586
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: you get on campus, this is where you show the

587
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: people of Michigan that you can ball. They cut people

588
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: on n armor. So I killed that game. I think

589
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: I hit the game one shot. Then we played Detroit.

590
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: Shout him Sean Phillips, he was on there and they

591
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: just they just beat you on the player in the

592
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: tournament the year before, ye before. Yeah, so he come back.

593
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: He was like the college iverson, I get the game

594
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: with him, block game with shouting them. So now I

595
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: showed the college campus. I'll showed the people of Detroit

596
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: and my dog big friends. Like, now you get to

597
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: show the cable world. Remember at that time, it's the

598
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: Big ten A CC Challenge. So we played Georgia Tech

599
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: on TV. Jason Terry came in the games in Atlanta.

600
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: I played well. I was player of the game, I think,

601
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 1: and then he's like, all right down the stage, he's

602
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: set for you. So now I played Duke on CBS,

603
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: and that's when the whole country's watching because this is

604
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: before the internet. So people on one off and sho

605
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: I stood out. I had twenty seven and six against them,

606
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: and coach Coach k Cans to me after the game

607
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: was like, man, you had so many moves. You started

608
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: doing his head like he did his head like the

609
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: guy and he got games. You got so many moves. Yeah,

610
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: so it was it was dope, man. But Big Fred

611
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: gave me the blueprint on how to kind of take

612
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: over college. Shout how big Fred? That was a blue

613
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: little Yeah. It was me drafted by the Calves with

614
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: the eight pick, but was traded to the Bulls with

615
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: Chris mil I remember Chris rem Remember draftings Kenyan, Martin,

616
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: Mike Miller, Die Miles Creer. That was my rookie year

617
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: as well. Remember that's my year as well. I got drafted,

618
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: I got graduated ninety six, got drafted ninety seven. But

619
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: when over went overseas and bounce arounds manjuries and stuff,

620
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: but came back and ended up having the same rook year.

621
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: But talk about that being drafted and by the Calves

622
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: are going to the Bulls. Hold on, Jack, It just

623
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: came back to me. Then we played each other. You

624
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: talk some releague. You was playing with the Grizzlies. Yes, Bro,

625
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: that was the first time that I don't know why

626
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: this came back to a matter of fact, back Jim

627
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: and Jack was killing. That's when I first met Jack.

628
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: That was the first official time I met him. Yeah,

629
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: but yeah, I was crazy because you know how the

630
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: speculation and being the draft thing, I didn't. I never

631
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: thought i'd be in the draft room. I was in

632
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: there recording Alexander shout out of courting and I was

633
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: just on a visit to Fresne State the year before

634
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: and he was the man. So to think of year later,

635
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: we're the same. To think a year later and we're

636
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: the same, Like draft from like, damn, let me here.

637
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: I felt kind of out of place. I'm the youngest

638
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: one in here. You know, all these dudes established a

639
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: j guiden lea l I mean, you know what I mean,

640
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: Like my team Cleavesey dudes have done work in college.

641
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: I played a half a year, you know what I mean.

642
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: So I was there listening really and it was like,

643
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna go here, you gonna go here, and like,

644
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: we'll see how it plays out. Nobody hadn't be going

645
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: top ten though, because you know, I'm later on the scene.

646
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: So when I go top ten the day of the draft,

647
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: is in Minnesota. I'm wearing Chicago. I got a Chicago

648
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: Bulls shirt on Chicago Bulls shorts, um a bandana because

649
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: I thought baby Ai. I had my Chris Ears chain

650
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: on the Chris Ears bracelet and it just it just

651
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: came out. Wh When I got drafted by Cleveland, I

652
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: didn't think it was gonna happen because I hadn't ever

653
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: worked out for Cleveland, you know what I mean. So

654
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, why they drafted me? I didn't. I didn't

655
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: know how the trades working all that. I just saw

656
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: the cameras come around and boom, the Clean count terslect

657
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,479
Speaker 1: Jamal Crawford. I say with every you know, how did

658
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: my family all that? And get to David Stern and

659
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: then started going to do interviews and after that, within

660
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes and said you've been traded to the Bulls.

661
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, ohh Like so they were gonna

662
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: take me number seven regardless. But the cabs didn't know

663
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: what the Bulls were gonna do, so they were like, hey,

664
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: take take Jamal for us and we'll give you money,

665
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: and you take men or take me in for us.

666
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: We'll take wherever you want to give you money to

667
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: the bulls. Like I said, we went win for us.

668
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: So that's how I went down. Shout shout out Jerry

669
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: Cross for that. Yeah, Hey, Courney Alexander, y'all, I don't

670
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: know about cord exam. If you want to know Cornell Exadeas,

671
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: go to your l A Fitness And the guy that's

672
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: on the wall, that's Duncan on the wall, that's Courtney Alexander.

673
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: That's that's really him. Hey, I didn't know that. And

674
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: and and l f as they got a guy on

675
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: the wall that's dunk and that is Cortney Alexander. No,

676
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: I seen it ball and everything, I mean all time. Yeah,

677
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: that's Hill. Hey he gets up. He used to get

678
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: a four feet on the jump shot. It was crazy.

679
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: He was he was cold blood. I think I think

680
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: you touched on something that's pretty dope. Now, that's so odd,

681
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: like you're the norm now, like kids leaving early as

682
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: the norm, not even going to college. But you were

683
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: in a draft and you mentioned all four years all

684
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: American players, Like that's how the league was. Like these

685
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: young players really wasn't coming in like you. Kind of

686
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: you you had a similar situation that Kyrie did you

687
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: guys both played maybe a handful of games and then bounced,

688
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that was that was

689
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: back then when you did it, it wasn't happening me

690
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: and Kyrie. Actually, so up until Kyrie I was I

691
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: was the player that played the fewest amount of games

692
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: to be drafted as high as I was. Kyrie played

693
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: even less than I did, it was drafting higher. So

694
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: you're right. When we were coming the league, we were

695
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: like one of two, are one of three young guys,

696
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: and we had all vets Like we we learned how

697
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: to be pros by with pros around us, you know

698
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: what I mean. So that's what the league is missing

699
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: now though, like they don't they don't value the vests

700
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: like that ship. What's so at all? What's your vets?

701
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: Who was your veste of Chicago? So my rookie year,

702
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: we were the youngest team in the league, and in

703
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: the second year with the youngest team again in the league.

704
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: So the next year it was like uh Fred Bointberg,

705
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: Rick Brunson, Greg Anthony, Charles Oakley, Um, you know those

706
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: were like Ron Mercer and shout out Ron Mercer. Those

707
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 1: were like the vets. Those were the vets. And then

708
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: Scotty Scotty Pippen, and I'll played with him his last

709
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: year in the league, in my last year in Chicago.

710
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: But I learned how to you know, stop Eve McDonald's

711
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: being on time, as young being on top, as young

712
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: players getting there an hour earlier, you know, staying late.

713
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: You gotta be last one the league, dressing in a

714
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: certain way like That's when I learned to be a pro. Yeah. There.

715
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: I used to be on the bus on the way

716
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: to a game, arguing with some people back how on

717
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: on the phone with the bust wrong. You know, that's

718
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: not the way you do things, you know what I mean?

719
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: But I didn't know. I didn't know no better. I

720
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: didn't even no better year. I didn't know no better. Yeah,

721
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: tell me about the dynamic of having run and Elton

722
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: Brown on the same tangwich. Oh man, I got some story.

723
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: Let me tell your story. Oh my god, let me

724
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: tell your story. Ron, and you know, both of y'all know,

725
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: so we're playing and Ron sometimes, could you know? Ron

726
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: could get on one and he came, he came. But

727
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: he always liked me. He always took to me, no

728
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: matter what are you doing and talk to me? So

729
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: he came to practice that day and he said, Mom,

730
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm all one the day. He said, they brought in somebody,

731
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: new player, I'm all one to day. I watch this.

732
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: It was a ten day guy that had nothing to

733
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: do with Ron. He wanted the threats Ron, not none

734
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: of that, None of that. He said, I'm all one

735
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: the day, Brong. He said, I'm all one to day.

736
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: I said, all right, I said, what you gonna do,

737
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: You'll see your on one. So he would start ah.

738
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: He would scream, you run around and scream four times

739
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: blocking people found people. Heart said, Tim, it got Tim

740
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: Floyd got in his face. I've never told the story.

741
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: Tim Floyd got in his face and sip, what's all

742
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: this was? Ron was out of control, bro like, but

743
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: I loved him. Shout out one. He put me on.

744
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: He put me off a nearrow bread too, Yeah, he

745
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: put bread and talk about talk about brand because before

746
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: he tore his achilles. Elton Brand was one of the

747
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: best power forwards in the game, hands out, without a doubt.

748
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: He was. He was a walking twenty and ten like

749
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: they showed me like his Rookie of Year campaign and

750
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: they had a brand of soap. It was like a

751
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: soap box and they had brand on it, twenty and

752
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: ten on it. The one you can depend on, like

753
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: he was walking twenty and ten. He's the one who

754
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: can depend on. Yeah, he was twenty and ten no

755
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: matter what, he just knew how to get it. Like

756
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: he was a beast workerholic, always works always uh was

757
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: in proving and he was smart. He was very seree

758
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: bull as well with his talent. So he was problem.

759
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: But people would never know about the Eldon brand. Like

760
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: they shoot in this era. You know, shout out elm Man,

761
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: shout out over there over there working on in the

762
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: front office with the Sixers right now. But that motherfucker

763
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: was a killer. Bro, here's the killer. It's still hard

764
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: to believe that him, Ron and Llo was playing together

765
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: in high school with that church at the church, John Propical,

766
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: that's crazy at the church and Barkley I think was

767
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: on there and those guys, Bro, they had had a squad. Okay,

768
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: what was your welcome to the NBA moment your rookie

769
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: in Chicago, we just talked about your bets when you

770
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: get in the league. What was your what made you

771
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: feel like you had got to them? But like the

772
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: welcome to that first moment that you had. Oh, there's

773
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: a couple of moments. The first one was the first

774
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: preseason game. We're playing in New York and the Trull

775
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: spree will. You know, at the time of the garden

776
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: you can see the other team at the other of

777
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: the tunnel, so at the time, you know, the Bulls

778
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: come out and Spreewell that just came went to the

779
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: finals there over there on the at the end, and

780
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,479
Speaker 1: I hear spree Ull saying, Okay, I'm relove it. What damn?

781
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: I can feel it like I'm nervous already. I'm a rookie.

782
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: Here goes free. And that was like the first first moment.

783
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: And another moment was, uh, my rookie first game playing Sacramento,

784
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm a looting You pick with terrible, So what's the formula, right?

785
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: If you're terrible a lot of pick, probably can play

786
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: a lot they once you developed. I didn't play to

787
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: the last minute of the game. My whole family is

788
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: they are floball. And I played at the very last

789
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: minute the game. Got two shots up though, made the

790
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: first one, and got two shots up through made the

791
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: first one, and that was like my my welcome to

792
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: my damn, this is really his business. Like they just

793
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: took me. That was my first moment, Like when they

794
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: took me as a as a as a high draft pick.

795
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna play a blowout and he puts

796
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: me in like to mess with me because we got

797
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: into it. He puts me in the last minute of

798
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: the game, made my first shot. Though my dad was

799
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: kissed too, by the way, but yeah, that was it.

800
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: He had the O G stands. We kept pulling up

801
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: his pants like ship, let me go tell that because

802
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: this is crazy, you know, he had one of those going,

803
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: but it was he was upset. I remember that. Yeah,

804
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: that's funny and helf. So you're coming into a Bulls

805
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: organization that just had one of the most dynamic and

806
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: six eight year runs we'd ever seen. What was the

807
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: organization like kind of you know, you said you played

808
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: with Pitt your first year. You know you played with

809
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: Pip before he left. What was the light kind of

810
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: ending that era and coming into this new, younger era

811
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: of the Bulls. It was amazing because the the front office,

812
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: Jerry Cross had a lot of confidence. He was like,

813
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: I drafted you, I drafted five as you drafted guy

814
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: who draft l m me, Okay, that's a young part

815
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: of the game. Now. He truly believed that we were

816
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: gonna sign Great Hill, Tim Duncan, and Tracy McGrady, Like

817
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: he said, we all his cat money. He believed we're

818
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: gonna sign all three. And so at the time, you know,

819
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm just new the league, so I'm not understanding like, Okay,

820
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna get those guys on the team too, all right,

821
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: But he really believed that. So the front office had

822
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence from that eight year run. They

823
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: feel like they can make some stuff happen. Um, the

824
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: fans was always sold out. It was always sold out

825
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: because I think them tickets were in advance. They thought,

826
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna break up, so they was already

827
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: sold out. So we were terrible, but we played in

828
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: front of a great crowd every single game. So it

829
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: was it was it was tough in the city walking

830
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: around knowing that they just had all this success in

831
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: this dynasty and we come in as this young group

832
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: was trash right now, trying to figure it out, you

833
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But so I really integrated myself

834
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: in the city, going to the hood to play, going

835
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: to all the hood spots, you just say, like the

836
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: CV because I was one of the new like faces.

837
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure the city, you know, it

838
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: was connected somehow to our team. So that was good

839
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: and bad by the way, but yeah it was all

840
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: the way. But yeah, in the Chicago hood, I don't

841
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: know how much good can really come from it outside

842
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: the game, man bro. I went to this place called Ikey's.

843
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: It's the projects for real, Like to the point when

844
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: the found out I was there, they was like, you

845
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: could have died over there. Don't you ever go back

846
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: over there for real? Where the guy with the front

847
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: office they was home. So I never went back, but

848
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: I was there. I saw that's where I saw a

849
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: young Will buying. I saw Tony Allen ms there too,

850
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was like, it's some

851
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: hoop stuff. But the hood loved it, like abody from

852
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: the bus over here. But the projects they got you

853
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: going to the hood and they got wrong. Working at

854
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: best boy, y'all all over the place, always all over

855
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: the place. We just running the same. We was all

856
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: over the place for real. But we it's crazy because

857
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: me and Rob was the one who jammed together like

858
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: my boy, but like Now I was in the like

859
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: it's it's one thing to be in the hood. I

860
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: was in the projects for real, like because people in

861
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: Chicago and don't go to the to the ikey. So

862
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: unless you're from here, you know what I mean. Yes,

863
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: I was all over the city young him making moves.

864
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: You guys draft Jason Williams, the duke point guard. He

865
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: ends up getting in a pretty much a career ending

866
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: motorcycle accident. Did you get to see any of his

867
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: brilliance before he got hurt? Yeah, it's crazy about that

868
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: is so j will Um. When I blew up in

869
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: high school, certain rankings had me kind of hot. So

870
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: I ended up making a second team Parade All America.

871
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: But Ja rules our first team, and we actually played

872
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: one All Star game together eight sports games in the band.

873
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: I think it was the first one. Jamar Johnson, j

874
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: Will Boozer, Donally, me myself, we all Casey Sanders, we

875
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: all played in the game. And so I was hit

876
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: to Ja. We knew who each other was, and so

877
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: he came in for a workout for his Brules workout

878
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: and we actually played against each other afterwards, like we

879
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: was going at it, and they kind of saw that,

880
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, they're going to draft team, like

881
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: I just showed them, Like, you know, you got a

882
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: point guard here, because at the time, it wasn't like

883
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: you played two point guards. It was like you played

884
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: one and you played the other. It wasn't like it

885
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: is now position his basketball, right, So I'm like, I

886
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: just showed him. I remember being the draft I never

887
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: told this story. Well, I remember being in the draft

888
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: room at the at the I know we were in

889
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: the room at the at the Practica Cility and we

890
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: drafted j Will, and I stormed down and crowds everybody

891
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: who he left he left like, and I was pissed

892
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: because I knew what that meant. Like Jay Will was

893
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: the Reggie Bush of college basketball, like he was only

894
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: the first crack at it, right, And here I am

895
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: coming off of a c O injury and working out

896
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: with Jordan and coming out and filling my game, going

897
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: to a new level. But I'm hurt. So now I'm

898
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: back healthy, but it's my third year. Now I'm not.

899
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm not the new Tour no more, you know what

900
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: I mean, even though I hadn't played a lot, and

901
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: so I knew what that meant. And when they drafted him,

902
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: it was like we went at it because he was

903
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: either one or the other. And finally at the end

904
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: of the season they played us together. We both flourished, right,

905
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: So to see him, uh had that success at the

906
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: end the season and myself and we both was like,

907
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: all right, actually it's gonna play together. We're good. And

908
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: that day I don't know if Jay Roe was ever

909
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: told the story, but that day we're all in the

910
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: Chicago facility working out, myself, Jay Will and j then

911
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: Rhodes and we saw him. Remember Jan was like, hey,

912
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: be careful that like man. Like you know. Later on

913
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: that day we heard about the accident and it was crazy.

914
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: It was crazy. It was It was crazy to hear

915
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: that because he was just about to take off. He

916
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: was he was, Yeah, he was nice. Did not know

917
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: the rules though, No, he knew it. Yeah, I think

918
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: I think he knew it, but you know, he knew.

919
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: He may not known to the extent, you know what

920
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean, But I think he had an idea. You know,

921
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie, bro, but I know when I

922
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: first came in the league, and you know, when you're

923
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: being around the best, you people, what nobody working around,

924
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: no motorcycles, what nobody doing no ex game type ship

925
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: but nobody but none of the old schools, the best

926
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: doing none of that. So we automagne knew this is

927
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: out of bounds. Motorcycles all that ship. Ain't nobody doing that, Bro,

928
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: that's out of bounds. Yeah he And when we heard Bro,

929
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: like oh, it was crazy because it wasn't social media,

930
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: like he had to get a conversation from doctors to

931
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: the team to you know what I mean. Like it

932
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: was different and it was just sad Bro because his

933
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: his career was really about to take off. People don't know,

934
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,959
Speaker 1: like people know him as an NBA analyst, Like people

935
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: don't know how cold j Will was Boys in the

936
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: air like this. He would be shoot jump everything. You

937
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: don't get criticized now for being a score point guard

938
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: like that's value, you know what I mean. Like it

939
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 1: it was different. Then it was like, oh, you gotta

940
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: be this And we were running triangle at the time,

941
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: like damn, we can't get to you with this ship.

942
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: How a were gonna in the triangle and you know

943
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: we ballhandlers like we want to go. So we started

944
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: getting We started figuring out though, So when did you

945
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: feel like you really you said, you know, you're coming

946
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: off this injury. You guys have a little success at

947
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: the end of your season. You're coming into your fourth season.

948
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: That's when you dropped your first fifty ball versus the Raptors.

949
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: Is that fourth season when you really kind of felt like, Okay,

950
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get this. That when they end of

951
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: the third season, when they started playing myself in Ja

952
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: Wells like I got it them. I got the speed

953
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: of the game. I got and we were playing teams

954
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: like the Nets when they were fighting for something. We're

955
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: playing teams fighting for something. Vets we played Milwaukee when

956
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: they had GPN. Sampon said, we beat them, so we

957
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: started figuring. I'm like, okay, my confidence is growing. I

958
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: think I averaged nineteen and seven the last twenty games.

959
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going the next year running. It's solidified.

960
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: I gotta learned playing back in my second year working

961
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: out with Jordan because I got hurt. But that's when

962
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: I took off the end of the third years like

963
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: I got it there, and that's when the fourth ye'all

964
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: took off running for sure. Oh four traded to the

965
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: Knicks for Jerome along with Jerome Winds and exchange from

966
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: a Tumbo and others. Uh, when did you find out

967
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: the news? And is that when you kind of first

968
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: realized like okay, here goes the business park. Yeah. Well

969
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: it was crazy because Dannie All got me telling a

970
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: lot of stories I never told, but this was this

971
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: is for So it was crazy because Isaiah Thomas was

972
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: the first person to call me at twelve oh one,

973
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, when I was a free agent, and he said,

974
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: we want you. You know, we feel like you're fitting

975
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: perfect with us. Um, we want you here, your our

976
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: top priority. They called me a nine pm West coast time,

977
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: twelve pm and the East coast and I was like,

978
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: damn the Knicks. I locked you on the Knicks. And

979
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,479
Speaker 1: that was in July. I didn't sign to August seven,

980
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: so it's a month. It's a change where I'm hitting

981
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: my agent every single day like what's going on, what's

982
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: going on. He's like, it's gonna happen, It's gonna happen.

983
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: Then I remember talking to Chicago Bulls. They said, we'll

984
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: approve this trade for fifty six million dollars, right, And

985
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: so that was the other moment of truth and business

986
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: because I'm like, Okay, I can take this guarantee fifty

987
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: six million from from the Knicks right now on the

988
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: Bulls will let me go to help me get here.

989
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: Or I can play off the fact that the Bulls

990
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: say they don't want this other player. I can say

991
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: they don't really want me back anyway, They're gonna take

992
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: this player and I get seven, right, And so I

993
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: could have played it that way, But I'm like, you

994
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: know what, I never signed a big contract at that point.

995
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: It's just ego anywhere when we signed to secure my

996
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: future and just keep moving, and that's what I did.

997
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: But I could have easily got more if I would

998
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: stayed true. Like now, I know y'all gonna take them.

999
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 1: I know y'all want to be back. You just drafted

1000
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: being board, you don't want me back anywhere, you're gonna

1001
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: take the steal. But it helped give them more cap space,

1002
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So that was another business player.

1003
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: M m. So you're joining the young Knicks team who

1004
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: was rebuilding. What's that like? I mean, you wouldn't go

1005
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: vote go from one historical franchise to arguably the biggest

1006
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: franchise at the time in the game. What was it

1007
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: like being a Knick? It was incredible. It was incredible

1008
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: because I historically don't play preseason's hard, Like I kind

1009
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: of eased into it that that, yeah, don't do that.

1010
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: But once I went to New York in the first game,

1011
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: I'll never forget fat joke sitting there, Damn dash for

1012
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: sitting there. You had a kind of people sitting there

1013
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: in preseason. I'm like, oh, I got to throw on

1014
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: the show. So it was showtime right from the start,

1015
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: and I sat the toll and then ego, everything is

1016
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: bigger in New York, right, everybody gets ex signed off anything.

1017
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: So I said, I set the tone from day one.

1018
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: So when the season comes, I'm already broke. They already

1019
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: know what's expect and alex us to start off that

1020
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: that season injury. So I started and I just started

1021
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: in Stephano. People don't know this. Stefan I was the

1022
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: second leading scoring backcourt in the whole league, only behind

1023
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: Gilbert Larry. He was that first year I was there,

1024
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: So I loved it was it was like I was

1025
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: I was on stage performing. I remember Samuel and Jackson,

1026
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: like I said, came to a game and he's sitting

1027
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: across and I wasn't playing a particularly game. I had

1028
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: something in my hand. I was like, he like, you know,

1029
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: playing like Nash like the only came to watch you

1030
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: play like damn like mrs like and that then having

1031
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: a good game and going to Tower Restaurant and seeing

1032
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: Adam Sandler and I know he was just at the game.

1033
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: So he's showing me loved like. So I was on

1034
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: stage performing, you know what I mean. And that's why

1035
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: the guard I can't bring it every single night no

1036
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: matter what I mean. We'll we'll talk more basketball. But

1037
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: you also started doing something off the court stuff too.

1038
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: That's what did you do? You did something with jay Z? Right?

1039
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: What do you do with jay Z? Yes? The s

1040
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: So that went back going into my last year of Chicago. Okay, yeah,

1041
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: it's crazy because I had played for Jed to Rutger.

1042
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: He called me. It was like, yo, ill need you

1043
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: jet to Rutgers. So I'm like, who can bring Eddy?

1044
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: Curry's like yeah, So I went to the Rutger and

1045
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: we tore it up. And so that relationship really took off.

1046
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: And then he was like uh no, so and then

1047
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,959
Speaker 1: fast forward or we wanting to Chicago myself and Jana

1048
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: Roses Lockers is side by side and we're both a

1049
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: Rebok at the time, and they were always sending us

1050
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: a same gear. You get pair, you get a peer.

1051
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: At one time, the s dark Carn's ride and I

1052
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: looked over jealous lock. I didn't see none of something

1053
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: like what's going on here? So then I hit my

1054
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: I hit my I hit my lead bock and REP like, yo,

1055
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: what's up? They said, Jay wants you to wear a shoe.

1056
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: They want you to I'm like, for real, and like yeah,

1057
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: but it's not technically a basketball. She was just the

1058
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: high top version of his low tip. There's like, if

1059
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: you like it, you could wear it. I'm like, there's

1060
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: like you'd be the only one to lead wearing it.

1061
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm wearing it and like no, I mean,

1062
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: you can't get hurt. You gotta make sure. I'm like

1063
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: it's cool. I'm good. So it's like wearing some Air

1064
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: Force ones basically. And I played we played Philly and

1065
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: a I was like they could wear those in the game,

1066
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: like everybody had the low tops and sold out. It

1067
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: was going crazy, like Yappa were him and I played

1068
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: well and I kept wearing them and that relationship really

1069
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: grew and then I went to New York. We got

1070
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: even type. Oh I got a story for y'all, jay Z.

1071
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: I mean we went to eat after a game and

1072
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: he was playing Rick Ross. I only think Rick Ross

1073
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: knows this because I never sold it. But Rick Ross,

1074
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: he's playing Wosbeck Ross every damn husting. J was mesmerized

1075
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: when I saw him, like like whippen whippen real hard.

1076
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: He kept saying that part. He loved it. And that's

1077
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: my introduction to Rick Crosses to jay Z. And Ross

1078
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: has never heard that story. So if I ever he

1079
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: sees this, he don't know. Yeah, that was the first

1080
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: person put me on the lay Brown Uh put you

1081
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: your second year there and the six man role. Initially,

1082
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: how did you take that? You became arguably the greatest

1083
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: six men in the history of basketball. But at the

1084
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: at the time, where was your mental with that? Yeah?

1085
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: I didn't see it at first because I was starting,

1086
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I'm starting the year.

1087
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: I always started my whole life, so I never come

1088
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: off the bench. And when he tried it that year,

1089
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: I had some success, and he said I improved more

1090
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: than any players that ever coach was was huge coming

1091
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: from a legend like that, but I just it was

1092
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: weird to me. I just felt inferior at the time, Like, man,

1093
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: so I'm not good enough, you know. I we're programming

1094
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: to think like they have the starters, the best players,

1095
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it was different from me.

1096
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: But I had some really big games and I saw

1097
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: his vision. I just understand the time because I'm only nine,

1098
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: maybe I'm maybe twenty six at the time, and I

1099
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: had a lot of success, and he trusted me, like

1100
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: I had the ball late and everything. He's like, he's

1101
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: not a dog who starts to finish. He always said that.

1102
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: He always dripped that. My head always drilled it. And

1103
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: so I learned a life from Coach Brown. He's actually

1104
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: probably the best teacher I've ever played for. And so yeah, yeah,

1105
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: like he was. He was incredible and he had that

1106
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: that foresight in that vision because I didn't see it

1107
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: for myself. Long time to go and finish the game sign,

1108
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: that's what he's always teen. No one finished the game sign,

1109
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 1: so it can We had to get rid of the characters.

1110
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: We have to get rid of the chancus. Here, you

1111
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: could have a big bucket of ice cream and a

1112
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: bird flies by, and just a little piece of bird

1113
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: ship flies and ice cream the whole ice creams room.

1114
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: He would say stuff like that like he was he

1115
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: was a teacher, bro like for real, No, no, that

1116
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: I remember. I came and playing, so I was kind

1117
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 1: of bounced around my first few years. And I came

1118
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: to your guy this training camp late. Maybe I came

1119
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: to training camp late as the motherfucker. Oh my god,

1120
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: is when Zeke Zeke had just taken over. If I'm

1121
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: not mistaken. Oh no, he was there already, but yeah,

1122
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: but it was. It was some ship where they invited

1123
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: me to training camp, laid I come in, I play. Well,

1124
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: they won't let me fly back to New York because

1125
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: I don't have a suit. I'm just like, yeah, y'all

1126
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: didn't tell me I needed a suit. I hadn't had

1127
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: a suit to get on the plane. So everyone's giving

1128
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: me one of these someone's giving me pass, someone's giving

1129
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: me sucks. So let's give me a belt, shirt, jacket, tie,

1130
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: the whole nine. So I go on this team and

1131
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of injury. So I go from like

1132
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: the last dude in training camp to starting like the

1133
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: first eight to ten games, and then I remember Isaiah

1134
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: comes to me. It's like, you know, we got a

1135
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: lot of we got a lot of money on the bench.

1136
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: That's starting to you know, the guys are starting to

1137
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: get healthy. I'm thinking, okay, well shoot, I'm just about

1138
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: to go to the bench and I'm not gonna start more.

1139
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: His niggas cut me, bro I played like eight teen games,

1140
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: started played well, and just got cut and got cut.

1141
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: It was crazy, man, because you really could not get

1142
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: on the plane leaving. We were like we we didn't

1143
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: know we needed to suit for real. That's a real story. Yeah,

1144
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: he could not get on the plane. He just went

1145
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: to training. Kim would do hill. He could not get

1146
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: on the plane to get back with us if he

1147
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have a suit off. So everybody makes sure the

1148
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: suit to make it happen. Man. I remember he was

1149
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: out with night as me and you, and it's a

1150
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: moment it was us two out and we're allownge whatever,

1151
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: and his dudes come and say what's up to us?

1152
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 1: He did from about thirty feet he did a side

1153
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: step all the way until he got you got towards

1154
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: and me and Maddie said the words with each other,

1155
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: and we both started cracking up, like we knew when

1156
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: each other was thinking. He did a side step and

1157
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: finally said, what's up, man, what's up? He did a

1158
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: whole hey corin, he did a whole dion saying it's

1159
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: celebration to get to us, to say what's something? I

1160
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: swear to God me? And that was cracking up absolutely,

1161
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: And Hey. The reason why I think I got cut

1162
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: though us because, as Jamal mentioned earlier, he know natives

1163
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: whole life. Nate was a fucking terror and he was

1164
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: always pranking people. So me and him got into like

1165
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: a pranking war and this they put uh uh uh

1166
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: the itching powder in my tights and everybody knew with me.

1167
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: Remember I went to practice and my motherfucking crotch was

1168
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: on fire. Yeah, they did a lot of They stopped

1169
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: with the whole shower or relief one to kill him.

1170
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: They get so much ship, yeah, crazy, and the thing

1171
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: about natives, you can go back and forth with him,

1172
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: but he just got too much hambular for that ship.

1173
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: So he's gonna keep going never never, you ain't gonna win.

1174
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: You're like, man, at this point, like this is too much.

1175
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: This nigga pranked me in. He pranked me in target

1176
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: one time he ran into me and targeted, like threw

1177
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: something at me and I couldn't see who it was.

1178
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: I was ready to fights like this. Nigga just never

1179
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: stopped you. Oh for the oh eight good running New York.

1180
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: What was the one thing you remember about that fan base?

1181
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: It was incredible And this is a lot. I never

1182
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: got booth there in four and a half years, and

1183
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: that's saying a lot because we weren't very good at

1184
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: the time and they just knew I played it all

1185
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: out like I wasn't scared to take the big shots.

1186
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: I hit game winners, I missed big shots like but

1187
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't scared. It was like I was one of them,

1188
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: like people from there, like you know you're from New York,

1189
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: like you from Seattle. But they just took me as

1190
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: one of their old So I sho The fan base

1191
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: was incredible, incredible. When the time ran out of New

1192
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: Yorker came to go to stay with your ball man,

1193
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: you're in the trade for al Yeah, it was really

1194
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: ideal feeling because we need we needed somebody to come

1195
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: in and bring some more scoring. Um, tell me your

1196
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: first thoughts on coming to go to stay coming to

1197
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: us and don Nelson, the Great Donny, the Great Dinny.

1198
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: So I was, I was. I was shocked, to be

1199
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: honest with you, because at the time when I got traded,

1200
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: myself and Zebo got traded the same day, and so

1201
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: I went to the Warriors, he went to the Clippers.

1202
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: I was. We both are as. We were I think

1203
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: six and four in the first teen games, and so

1204
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: we were like, damn, we're about to make the All

1205
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: Star Game. We're in New York. They gonna juice us up,

1206
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I was shocked. So

1207
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: after I got traded, it took me a couple of days.

1208
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: I I met you guys on the East Coast, and Jack, honestly,

1209
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: once you embrace me, the rest of the team did,

1210
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: So you made that transition easy. It's like when you're

1211
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: a new kid going to school, like to a new school,

1212
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: and you know you know the best you know the

1213
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: best player there. So if he embraced you, everybody embrace you,

1214
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: and you made a way. And I mean Jack like that.

1215
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: Then we talked about that we were trying to play together,

1216
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, yeah, and he was like, thank you,

1217
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: I finally got some help. I finally got some help.

1218
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: Jack was Jack was. He was unbelievable, just like his work.

1219
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: I remember was in New Orleans, Jack and you was

1220
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: the last one of the quarter after shoo him like

1221
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: Jackie had come back here in a few hours. Dog

1222
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: like tripping, but just like your work, ethic, your leadership.

1223
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: I remember want to eat with Bobby round and you

1224
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: talk and he was like, man, stop playing safe. You

1225
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: gotta shoot the ball. I'm like, no, I gotta make

1226
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:45,959
Speaker 1: sure everybody got the ball. Like now, you gotta shoot

1227
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: the ball, man. So just that embracement from you, it

1228
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: trickled down to everybody else, you know what I mean.

1229
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: Monte is coming back. At the time, don Nelson was

1230
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: out there outside practice playing with his dogs, like he

1231
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: had key run practice. Let practice playing with his dog.

1232
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: But it was just it was just a dope environment.

1233
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: I wish you could have been good. Like if I

1234
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: was at the time, y'alls we believe and I came,

1235
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: it'd be even crazy, even crazier. But yeah, it was.

1236
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: It was dope. It was dope to find play together

1237
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: even though it short lives. We we we get together

1238
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: were in Boston and uh and then when we was

1239
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: in our Showtime and prime Time mode, then Showtime, Showtime

1240
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: and Prime You know what I'm saying. We we always

1241
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: get out of talks for the game, but cruicial playing

1242
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: the game. You crossed ray out and over making fall

1243
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: throw it to me in the in the corner for

1244
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: the three You remember that play? Come on man, hey

1245
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: hey it was crazy but it was he failed. But

1246
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: then he laid put his hands like he was Jesus

1247
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: for real, like he just laid down for us. He

1248
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: laid down and say it like, hold on, man, that's Jesus.

1249
00:55:54,440 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: These ain't doing that. But Ronald Crazy rond Rondo rod

1250
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: O came over and if it passed it, like I

1251
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: was always taught, no matter how the player goes, you

1252
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: gotta finish it, you know what I'm saying, Like whether

1253
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: it be a pass or a shot or whatever it

1254
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: might be. So when I did it, he kind of

1255
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: half came and I threw it to you on Jack

1256
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: made that's just lash like Jack, And then Jack started

1257
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: talking like yeah, I'm like okay, Jack, I was whatever

1258
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: you want to do. I want to tell the man.

1259
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: Last night, after I hit I ran down enough bumbarade.

1260
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: I was ready for a smoke. Man, I wanted all

1261
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: smoke after that. What's crazy about you all? Too? Though?

1262
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: For real, for real, all the teammates I've ever had,

1263
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: like if I was going to a war, like I

1264
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 1: gotta have him to here, There's no doubt about it.

1265
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna ask me the five later on,

1266
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: but I'm just throwing that out there right now, going

1267
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: to I already got the form, man, I watch the

1268
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: show too much. Dog doing a victory over the Bobcasting

1269
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: December two thousand and eight. You had a fifty point game.

1270
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: That's becoming the fourth player in NBA history only after

1271
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: Will but No King and Moses Malone for fifty points

1272
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: with three teams. Bro. That's why that's why I call

1273
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: your showtime because you show up. How did that feel?

1274
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: And being in the conversation the names of those guys,

1275
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: how did that feel to you? It felt unbelievable because Jack,

1276
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: you was hurt, so you didn't play that game. But

1277
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: I remember we was in Atlanta the night before, so

1278
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: back to back. I'll never forget it, and I played

1279
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: terrible and my son was in the crowd. He was

1280
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: living at the time, and I think I was like

1281
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: three or fifteen and I played awful, and I remember

1282
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: the next day, uh don Neils was like, yo, we're

1283
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: not having them shoot around sleeping everybody me at the bus.

1284
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we meet early, so we did that.

1285
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: I remember sleeping all day. I got it for breakfast,

1286
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: went back. I slept all day and I was just

1287
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: ready and I started off the game. I had seven

1288
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: in the first quarter. I think I had like twenty

1289
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: three going to the half. I've got in the rhythm

1290
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: and with me, y'all know how I play. I played

1291
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: craziest ship. So if I made a couple, I feel

1292
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: like I'm hot, you know what I mean. And then

1293
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: a couple of win and I just kept going, kept going,

1294
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: kept going. I had thirty five with five minutes to go,

1295
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: and then Ronie started giving me the ball and coach

1296
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: start drawing the plays and I kind of, you know,

1297
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: start getting foul and things that makes. But whenever you

1298
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: score fifty like that, it's never just you, Like it's

1299
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: gotta be the perfect storm. Somebody said, the screen, give

1300
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: me the ball, drawing the plays like so when you

1301
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: have success like that, it's everybody, and you could feel

1302
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: everybody kind of take in that, and it's dope because

1303
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's everybody can kind of share it. So yeah,

1304
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: I was just happy and they told me the company.

1305
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: I was like, damn. And then I go to Atlanto.

1306
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: We go to Lando next game, and I got straight.

1307
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: I get hurt in the warm sweezing the back before

1308
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: we go. I'm like, because I was trying to get

1309
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: fifty again, I got I got hurt during the Anthony

1310
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: Moral stretch when you kick your leg up and then

1311
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: in my growing were ready for that. It was weak.

1312
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: It was weird. So I had eighteen Orlando game, but

1313
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: it was I was hurting. I had text some time

1314
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: off after that one. I was hurting. That was hurting.

1315
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: Ship that that young Anthony Morrol I had to put

1316
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: you out. Yeah, I was, I was. I was good.

1317
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: We did the sideways swing. I was waiting he started.

1318
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: He started going front. I started front foot him and

1319
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: it was all bad. Yeah, pop goes. A reason it

1320
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: was all over with was until the Hawks in two

1321
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: thousand nine and two thousand and eleven, backing up all

1322
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: start guard Joe Johnson and Mike Bibby. You have eighteen

1323
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: points too and ninlf rebounds to assists off the bench.

1324
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: What was it like coming to a t L and

1325
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: your first action as teammates with those guys. Yeah, it

1326
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: was crazy because that was the first time I knew

1327
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: i'd be a sixth man. And y'all know, the league

1328
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: put you in a box. And so I got to

1329
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: a point where I was like, Man, I'm being on

1330
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: as a good player on bad teams, you know what

1331
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: I mean. I didn't want that. Y'all had already went

1332
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. I never went, so I was just

1333
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: labeled such. So I'm like, all right, I'll do whatever

1334
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: I gotta do. And they just went to the playoffs

1335
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: with with with Joe and Marvin and and Al and

1336
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: Mike and Josh right, so they had their crew. I'm like,

1337
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: I come off the bench. I think I can bring

1338
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: something different. So going into that summer when we played

1339
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: pick up, I would always make sure I will start

1340
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 1: a game or two later, just so I can start

1341
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: seeing the game a little differently, you know what I mean, Like, Okay,

1342
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm start getting used to seeing. Okay, I'm not gonna

1343
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: be out there when the thing starts, So what you're

1344
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: gonna pay attention to? What are you watching? And so

1345
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: that first game of the real game I had three points.

1346
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: I took only two shots, and Joe Johnson, you know,

1347
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: he don't talk a lot. He was like, man, you

1348
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: gotta shoot one man, We need to shoot right. And

1349
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: then he told Mike what's it. Mike Wooson put me

1350
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: in his office. He's like, yo, you gotta go lead

1351
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: the league and scoring off the bench. You got the

1352
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: same green light you've had your career. I'm like, oh, okay,

1353
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: for real, okay, I'm going. So once that hit, we

1354
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: never looked back. And it was crazy because Atlanta. I

1355
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: love living there because that was the first time you

1356
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: saw people like us doing jobs like drug testing or

1357
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like anything anything you wouldn't

1358
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: want to see us in it. Like so I was

1359
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: really really happy and the people really took to me.

1360
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: Like I like I said, I brought some of that

1361
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: that that that old Georgia peach, that lemonade. It brought

1362
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: the flavor to it what they already had. It's just

1363
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: a great mix, you know. And then Orlando. Orlando kicked

1364
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: our ass in the playoffs. But you know, yes, but

1365
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: we don't worry. We got Jack right before a. Yeah,

1366
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: we swept. Jack destroyed them, came through stumped all the

1367
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: peaches in Atlanta. Yeah, hey, y'all beat the fat that's

1368
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: by average of thirty five points. And it was killing

1369
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: us that were killing us. Bro we should have won

1370
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: a championship that year. Man's get Stan got scared in

1371
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference finals in Boston beat us. But with

1372
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: all we had, we had a good aass team that year.

1373
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: Y'all had a squad. But then we came back and

1374
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: beat them the next year though. Yeah, but all that

1375
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: before we get to that though. This is so you

1376
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: win your first six man of the ward six Man

1377
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: of the Year award in two thousand ten. What's that

1378
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: feeling like being recognized as you know, the best player? Uh,

1379
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: coming off the bench. It gave me an idea, And

1380
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: it's crazy because like I didn't like I remember baby

1381
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: said you have win six man a year at the end,

1382
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: like what And Dominique Wilkins was saying, I didn't even

1383
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: think like going to the season that would be the

1384
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: award of the goal. And once you start getting closer,

1385
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: like jam I wanted, you know me, I want to

1386
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: do it. So then after that I'm like, oh wow,

1387
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: so now it's dope. Fast forward a little bit when

1388
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: I see kids in the gym and they're like, maybe

1389
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: you maybe you want to be a sixth man. Like

1390
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: in our community, it wasn't it wasn't cool. It wasn't

1391
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: cool to be a sixth man. Like now they're like, no,

1392
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: I want to come off the bench and I could

1393
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: still kill me one of the more important players even

1394
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: though he grew off the bench, like woh, that's crazy.

1395
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: So I didn't know that it would take on a

1396
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: life of its own, had that kind of legacy behind,

1397
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: you know. So it was big for me because I

1398
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: was going on a winning team and I showed like,

1399
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: you know what, I ain't got to be the star

1400
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: of the movie. I could be a co star and

1401
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: still start in my role. And it gave me a

1402
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: whole different ideaity mm hmm. So two thousand twelve, uh,

1403
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Clippers. Yeah, thinking back on that Lob City

1404
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: run that we had what what what stands out to

1405
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: you the most? The best team I ever played on

1406
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: that didn't want it like we to me, we had

1407
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: everything you needed. It was man, it was incredible, Like

1408
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: if you it was almost like we were playing two

1409
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: with how good are was like? It was just incredible.

1410
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: We just could not get over the hump. And as

1411
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: time went on, it got even harder to get over

1412
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: the hump, because now jokes, ain't it funny anymore? You

1413
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like you start getting tired of

1414
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: each other, and just like man, the doubt starts creeping in,

1415
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: other people start creeping in, whether we family, whatever it

1416
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: might be, and it's just got it got crazy. But

1417
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: to me, that was the best team I was ever on.

1418
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:21,479
Speaker 1: We should have went to I'm not saying we should

1419
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: have one championship because you needed some luck. We should

1420
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: at least been to one finals FORCIA. What do you think?

1421
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: You mentioned the hump, and you know J J and

1422
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: I have talked about it on on on his podcast

1423
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: and ours. What do you think that hump was for us?

1424
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: For us? I think we didn't handle university. I don't

1425
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: think we're mentally tough enough in the moments that it

1426
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: mattered the most. And it could have been me at times,

1427
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: it could have been somebody else at the time or

1428
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: whatever it was. I just think collectively as a group,

1429
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: and you know what, you guys knowing him winning championships

1430
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: and the group has to all be tight. And I think,

1431
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: you know, we're older now looking but I think looking back,

1432
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: if we had some of them O g is like yo,

1433
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: this is y'all's moment, they could be another moment like this,

1434
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: like you gotta get this right now to make it happen,

1435
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: like this is it. I think we had that things

1436
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: will be in the different the likes of you know,

1437
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: Doc Rivers. We started with Vinny. Doc came in. He

1438
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: was supposed to be that missing coaching piece along with Doc.

1439
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: You know JJ who just recurred, just retired. DeAndre who's

1440
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: with the Lakers, CPS and Phoenix Blake's with the Nets.

1441
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: I mean, we had Lamar Ultim at one point, Eric Bledsoe,

1442
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: Darren Collison. We had a really, really, really talented team.

1443
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: Talked to that we had everything. And it's crazy because

1444
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: we literally won so many games. I think in that

1445
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: four year stretch we were like top four or five

1446
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: in the league and wins like we want so many games.

1447
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: It was just when it mattered most days and fall

1448
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: apart right or be sterling, sterling ships and injuries, don't

1449
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: Blake and CP and a five minute stands important. I mean,

1450
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: so like it's it's just man, I don't know if

1451
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: it was harmer or what. But when some when it

1452
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: mattered most we just fell apart somehow a sterling curse.

1453
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: So you're able to win uh six Man of the

1454
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: Year two thousand, fourteen and sixteen. I want to say,

1455
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: I remember fourteen. Uh they wanted you to dress up,

1456
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: so you had like pulled your shirt out of like

1457
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: it was freshly folding. You know how they're all come

1458
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: packed and this nick didn't want to iron it. He

1459
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: just wanted to take it out and put it on. Yeah,

1460
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: he didn't like to dress up. Hey, so two times

1461
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: you end up winning it two times to put you three.

1462
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: I want to say that your boy louis tied with

1463
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: you now if I'm not mistaken right for what he's

1464
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: one of three times as well? Yeah he has ye yeah,

1465
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: I mean what does that mean to you though, to

1466
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: be kind of the standard for uh six man basketball?

1467
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: And you said kids aspired to to to be like

1468
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: that now, but what does that mean to you now

1469
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: that you kind of sit back and and now that

1470
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: you're done and you take a look at it. It

1471
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: means everything, Because like I said, that wasn't to go either.

1472
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: So it was like to see kids say it's okay,

1473
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: to come off the bench. I'm not less than because

1474
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm from off the bench. I can still be just

1475
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: as important as one starting. And that's and that's surrounding country.

1476
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: Like I've been all over the country and they say

1477
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: the same thing, like man, I want to be a

1478
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: sixth man, now I want I'm like, wow, it's crazy

1479
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: because I would never even thinking that. I was just

1480
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: trying to show I could be a good player on

1481
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: bad team. So that's crazy. And then to win it

1482
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: at thirty four, you know, you guys know, once you

1483
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: start getting up there in age, they start saying, oh,

1484
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: he's too old to do this, so they put you

1485
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: in another box. So I became the oldest to winning

1486
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: at thirty four, and then I broke my old record

1487
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,919
Speaker 1: and one at thirty six to which is crazy because

1488
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: that wouldn't even go that year. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

1489
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: So it's just a blessing man like I. It's just

1490
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: and you can't see him that they're up there right now,

1491
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: and that's something they can never change and take away.

1492
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: We have some memorable battles in the playoffs with the

1493
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: Spurs the year they won the champion following you didn't

1494
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: won the championship. We knocked him out in the first round. Uh.

1495
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: We were the last team to beat the Warriors in

1496
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: the seven games sterling season before they started winning championships. Uh.

1497
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: But battle with the Grizzlies. What playoff series? Uh? Stand

1498
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: up till you had the most. I would saying the

1499
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: Spurs one, because that one was they just won a championship.

1500
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you remember this, Matt, we

1501
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: were eating the night before the regular season or the

1502
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: same acting regular season ended, and there was like a

1503
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: million different ways of if this happens, and that happens,

1504
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: you guys playing this team, If that happens, you're playing

1505
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: this team and the Spurs I remember clearly z Ball

1506
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: towards the end of the season. I was like, who

1507
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: y'all got in the cloffs? He's like, man, I don't

1508
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: know if you're trying to stay away from Spurs man.

1509
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: And they ended the season like and and four or something.

1510
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: They were rolling after won the championship, and we got

1511
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: in the first round, Like damn, I didn't even want

1512
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: in the first round, Like, ma, if we see him

1513
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 1: in the Western Finals, will be ready for him. But

1514
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: and we saw him in the first round to me,

1515
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: that was the toughest Sea that I ever played against

1516
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: in the playoffs because they were so they were so

1517
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: like detail and you could have a shot for Bella

1518
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: Nelli after him not taking a shot the whole game

1519
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: popers to play for him at a time out when

1520
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: you just start to relax, you know what I mean.

1521
01:07:58,320 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: He made me pay for it, you know what I mean.

1522
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: So they were always playing chess and Tim Dunkin was

1523
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: just unbelievable because while I was coming to his own

1524
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: at that time, it was actually maybe monitors last year possibly,

1525
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, I think the following the following

1526
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: year he might have. I think he fought to retire.

1527
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: But they were saying like when we beat them, that

1528
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: was like the end of their dynasty, you know what

1529
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: I mean, that team and that was kind of the

1530
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: end of their run. And that really showed us at

1531
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: the time. You know, it's like, should we just beat

1532
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: the defending champions, like we you know, we had the

1533
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: what it takes to win this, but we just again

1534
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: we never just we we can never get over there.

1535
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 1: And Matt and Matt. After we beat them, we go

1536
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: up three one on Houston Sobot to the Western Finals

1537
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,600
Speaker 1: against the team we just put out a year or

1538
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: two before, you know what I mean. So we're about

1539
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: to win this thing? Yeah, no, it was, it was.

1540
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 1: It was all too good to be true. Next lot um,

1541
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, So you when when it's all, when it's

1542
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: all said and done. Um, you got twenty years in

1543
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: this game. Um, are you at peace with that? I mean,

1544
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: your motherfucker's gonna be playing until your sixty already know that.

1545
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,560
Speaker 1: But you at peace with three six Man of the

1546
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 1: Years awards, twenty years under your belt, and just the

1547
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: legacy you left. I'm at peace with it, but I

1548
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 1: still feel kind of robbed, to be honest with you, Like,

1549
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: I know for a fact these last couple of years,

1550
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: I could have played in helped the scene in whatever role.

1551
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: If they were playing ten minutes of games, they're playing

1552
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: five minutes a game. If they're playing you're not gonna play,

1553
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 1: but we may save you for the playoff whenever it

1554
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 1: might be. I know I could have helped, And that

1555
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: part kills me. And then you look at somebody like

1556
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: the marketsol and shouts to him, he just reached twenty

1557
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: thousand points. And I remember when we went out to

1558
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: eat a couple of years back or few years back,

1559
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: and we were talking about that, both of us getting

1560
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: twenty thousand points, and I'm like, I'm less than six

1561
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: hundreds away. I'm like fives and change. I'm like, damn

1562
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: if I will play any one these seasons they said

1563
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: I didn't play, I could have easily had that, and

1564
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: that easily right, and already like to I have the

1565
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 1: most points to ever be an All Star. But I

1566
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: think that's like legacy to be a guy that predominantly

1567
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 1: came off the bench his career and get twenty thousand points.

1568
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: It would be this close to it and not get

1569
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 1: it because of you know, for myself, it's crazy. Yeah,

1570
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: call it what it is. Politics. Yeah, it's crazy. So

1571
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm at peace overall, but I still feel a little Rod. Yeah, well,

1572
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,759
Speaker 1: I mean I think you touched on it earlier. Remember

1573
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 1: when we first came in the league, whether the Vets

1574
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: were playing or the Vets were just there to make

1575
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: the place better, there was Vets, you know, And now

1576
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: your Vets are thirty one, thirty two years old, Like

1577
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: they don't have the older players that I think are

1578
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: missing from this game. Not from a standpoint of just

1579
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 1: so much production, although they can still produce, but just

1580
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: helping these young kids alonge, they don't have that. Nor

1581
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 1: the average age of the league is so much younger

1582
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: now than it was when we came in the league,

1583
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: and that if, like you said, if if it was

1584
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: still what it was, you would have definitely reached twenty

1585
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: thousand points and got to play more seasons. But for

1586
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: some reason, they just don't have room for vets no more.

1587
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because how could you not want to

1588
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,520
Speaker 1: learn from vets. Right If I'm if I'm a photographer,

1589
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: a young photographer in the game trying to shoot the NBA,

1590
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: and I can learn from Andy Burnsty, Like, why would

1591
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:04,719
Speaker 1: I not do that? If I'm if I'm an athlete

1592
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: crossing over to this side, why would I I come

1593
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 1: talk to you guys first and tell me how these work,

1594
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: how it goes, Like that's what vets are for. Like

1595
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: and especially when you have vests that want to get

1596
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: back to the next generation, they want to help somebody

1597
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: go from point A to point B, right, like you

1598
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: have these guys willing to do that. There's no reason

1599
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: that Isaiah Thomas and Bookie Cousins and lakes In Galloway

1600
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: and Kyle Corver. These guys are not in the league.

1601
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,719
Speaker 1: It's there's no reason for it. And it's it's sad

1602
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: because you know, like I said, you don't know what

1603
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: you don't know as a young player, right, So if

1604
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: you can learn from these guys and take me out

1605
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 1: of If you can learn from these guys, and they're

1606
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: all years, they've seen these guys growing up, how could

1607
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 1: you not take advantage of that? And it's just it's

1608
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: unbelievable to me, and I think it's wrong. It's just wrong.

1609
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: So you also on your way out, you know, set

1610
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: some milestones, drop fifty one as a thirty nine year

1611
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: old bitch off the bench, which they've never been done,

1612
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,600
Speaker 1: and then one of only twenty nine players in the

1613
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: history of the game to play into their forties. You know,

1614
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: when you hear little little pieces like that, what does

1615
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 1: it mean to you? Well that that backstory about that

1616
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: last game. I needed twenty five and the reason why

1617
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: is they showed me a graphic in Kareem, Kobe and

1618
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,839
Speaker 1: myself for the only three to play in the nineteenth

1619
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: year and try to get twenty five and three straight games.

1620
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: So I had twenty five and Dallas going into the

1621
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. I remember before the game, Nico Harrison was there,

1622
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 1: GP was there, all the greats were there because it

1623
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: was Dirk's last home game and I told g P

1624
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: and and you could ask if you guys see him.

1625
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: I told him in the layup Li, I'm like, I'm

1626
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: put on the show tonight. And I didn't even know

1627
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fifty. I didn't think it was possible

1628
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: to score fifty off the bench. I didn't think there

1629
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: was enough time in the game. But i got twenty

1630
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: five on the fourth quarter, and I'm like, I'm really

1631
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 1: just stopped to go now. And then I had thirty

1632
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: eight with eight minutes to go, and that's when it

1633
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 1: was like, this is a fifty point nine and that

1634
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: that's when it just like took off and went in

1635
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: for Dirt to mention me in his speech for my

1636
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: teammates and look for me for coach to draw plays.

1637
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: You used to get lost in the game, like you

1638
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: really feel like you're out there by yourself, like you

1639
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: just shooting, and that's got lost in the game. My

1640
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: feet could be off balanced and my shoulders to get

1641
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: a different way. You just need space at that point,

1642
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: and you feel like it's going in and that's what happened,

1643
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: and I thank God for it because like Cold rest

1644
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,839
Speaker 1: in peace, Cold playing his last game, So that's sixty.

1645
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: He was gonna get his numbers. He was going for it.

1646
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was gonna be my last I

1647
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: didn't know it was gonna be my last game, you

1648
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like I was just going just

1649
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: to to hoop and in the season on the right way.

1650
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was that was crazy that that's the

1651
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 1: last official game I played, And what better way to

1652
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:32,560
Speaker 1: go out. Yeah. Absolutely had a pit stop in in

1653
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: with the nets. Uh due to injury. Wasn't able to perform.

1654
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: So hey, due to the weight room, Matt, you know

1655
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: all the lift weights and jack. They tried, they tried

1656
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: to put you in there. Fam, listen, so I come out.

1657
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 1: I've been home for sixteen months, right. I don't want

1658
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,679
Speaker 1: to be the guy who's like, oh, I'm not doing

1659
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: that at this but everybody's lifting weights. It's the routine.

1660
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all, I'm gonna live. That's not your

1661
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: game though, But Fam, as soon as I got that way,

1662
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: when I felt it, I said, oh, family, this is

1663
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: why I don't It's the best defense I've ever seen

1664
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: was their way room. Yeah, and I came up short.

1665
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: Oh that was it? Hey but fair, But I had

1666
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: five fours and three sis in five minutes A gains

1667
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: the team I was rolling. I was cool. But that

1668
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: way where you developed, you touched on it earlier, but

1669
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: kind of getting breaking down the relationship you built with

1670
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: MJ playing pickup games and and um, you know just

1671
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: the kind of relationship you had with him when he

1672
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: was coming back to the Woodchard as well. Yeah, so

1673
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: my dad, I was going through the draft process. My

1674
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: dad was telling me like, MJ, like your game, Like, man,

1675
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 1: you know that, Like this ain't social media, this ain't

1676
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: this era. How you don't know Michael Jordan's right. So

1677
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,799
Speaker 1: fast forward. I get drafted by Chicago and Tim Brower

1678
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: hit me one day. It was like yo, MJ says

1679
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: you can meet him. And I'm like what He's like, Yeah,

1680
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: he says you can meet him. So I I shoot

1681
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: down there six in the morning. I shoot down and

1682
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: get a game that day actually, and I get to

1683
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: hoops and it's myself, m J and Tim Brover in

1684
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: the gym and I'm trying not to talk because he's

1685
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: doing his workout. So when he talks to me, obviously

1686
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: I speak back, but I'll never forget he was four

1687
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: years old. He's about to come back, and he's doing

1688
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: defensive slide drills, and so he's talking. He's like, yeah,

1689
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: when the season is over, you could, you know, and

1690
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: the some weep work out with me. I'm like, all right,

1691
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: coul I get I leave there. I could seven in

1692
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: the morning. I call everybody back home. Right in the

1693
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: West Coast is only five any more? So nobody picks up.

1694
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 1: But I'm telling a j guy, I'm like, yo' she

1695
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: met Michael Jordan's and so fast forward. And my dad

1696
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 1: tells me later on he said, the reason I knew

1697
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: it was because obviously he went to Oregon. Remember I

1698
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: told you guys that a milera shot Myra Shaw went

1699
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 1: to Oregon with him and a Mira shot in Jordan

1700
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 1: like this. So Mara Shot was the one of telling

1701
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: him that. Yeah, he was telling him that Mja like

1702
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: my game when he's an executive for the Wizards. But

1703
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 1: we got tighter, like my confidence. That's what set the

1704
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: foundation from my whole career, because my confidence went crazy

1705
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: once I was around him and playing with him and

1706
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: him giving me off, It's like, yo, you got it.

1707
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: And this wasn't just a young player or event telling me,

1708
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 1: even just an all star telling me I'm nice. This

1709
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: was the greatest player ever saying oh, I got it.

1710
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 1: So it was a whole different conference. So best memory

1711
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: or battle against Kobe and any off court stories you

1712
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 1: have with him, oh man, so many. The first one

1713
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: that I really remember that Kobe acknowledged me was when

1714
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:27,640
Speaker 1: we played in the Garden on a Sunday afternoon and

1715
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: he at the time became the youngest player and gets

1716
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,560
Speaker 1: twenty thousand points. I was playing like ship in the

1717
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: first half. I think I had two points and I

1718
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 1: scored thirty one a second half and he came out

1719
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 1: and he gave me a five and said something to

1720
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 1: me after the game. He's like, well, how does the pistody?

1721
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 1: That was his first time he acknowledgement on the court, like, Kobe,

1722
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: you never talked to me something like damn he knows,

1723
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: So I am like for real. And then another memory

1724
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: when I went to Atlanta who played the Lakers, and

1725
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: we beat him at home and he across the hall.

1726
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 1: Under Monica was back there, Shandon Brown was back there.

1727
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: I think they were gonna time and he was like, man,

1728
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,560
Speaker 1: can't nobody go on that ship? And you know, I

1729
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: didn't really talked to him since that interaction to year Joyce.

1730
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm looking around, like who's he talking to? And he's

1731
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: like he's like, man, he's talking to me, like man,

1732
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:11,600
Speaker 1: can't nobody girl out of him? Like he's like, man,

1733
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: you got the ball on the stream And he showed

1734
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: me loved like whoa y'all here, coach is talking to

1735
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 1: me like, you guys know Kobe got this or about him,

1736
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,719
Speaker 1: Like it's totally different. Right. So that was the next time,

1737
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: and then um we were at Richard Services softball game

1738
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 1: and you know, we talked more that day than than

1739
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,759
Speaker 1: ever before. And I remember he told me stories about

1740
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 1: like Michael Jackson calling his house when he was a

1741
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 1: great mentor for him and Vanessa picking up like somebody

1742
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: saying Michael Jackson on the phone, like Kobe told me

1743
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: out his own mouth, you know what I mean. So

1744
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: different stories like that, And I asked him when he

1745
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 1: comes to my pro and I finally got the courage

1746
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: and asked him, like yeah, and somebody from Nike, I'm

1747
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 1: not gonna say his name is like no, we gotta

1748
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:50,719
Speaker 1: go back to l A. He's like, God, Jamal's playing

1749
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 1: on the come and so he brought his girls, he

1750
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 1: brought his whole family and came and watch me play.

1751
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: And that's my highest scoring game and winner of it

1752
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 1: was all because of him. And we just started communicating

1753
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: all the time after that in our relationship really took off. Yeah,

1754
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: rest in peace called the great one. You're looking back now.

1755
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: We talked earlier, um about coaching your son. Where is

1756
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 1: your mind at right now with with with an NBA

1757
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 1: coaching job? Interest you coaching your son? Obviously something you do?

1758
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: Now what around basketball? Obviously we know you're gonna continue

1759
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: to have your summer league and give back to the community.

1760
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: But what in basketball interest you right now? What you've

1761
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: been doing coaching? Like I've got an offers for NBA

1762
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 1: coaching jobs, I got an offers for NBA executive jobs

1763
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: from multiple teams, but I keep telling them my rather

1764
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 1: coach my son, Like this is a whole different thing.

1765
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: I love it, bro, It's it's unbelievable to me. Like

1766
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: I write out of practice plans at nighttime, Like I'll

1767
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 1: send them to you guys every single day. And what

1768
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna work on. Like, I'm so invested in this

1769
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: and I'm so into it. I was cool being the parents,

1770
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: just keeping the score and right, but then when you

1771
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,560
Speaker 1: get into it and it's it's different. Now. When I

1772
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: watched games, I'm not watching them who's nice and who

1773
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 1: got game? I'm watching on the play how they got

1774
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: to that spot. I'm like, damn, I'm like, I'm really

1775
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:04,560
Speaker 1: at coach now, like you know what I mean. I

1776
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: didn't see this for myself. So that's what makes it

1777
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: so cool. And just being around to you. I used

1778
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 1: to see you when you were staying playing. I'm like, bro,

1779
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to coach watch it, you know, because

1780
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: people don't understand when as busy as I am, bro,

1781
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: and I'm so busy, I always make time to coach

1782
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 1: my kids, and it's just a different kind of joy.

1783
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: I feel like. But I remember seeing you would come

1784
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: to watch yourself play, but you were still playing. I'm like, watch,

1785
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna be coaches now. That ain't for me, fan,

1786
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: that ain't for me. You said you said it, you

1787
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: absolutely said it, And it's different because it's it's your

1788
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 1: own like watching it right, so like having him and

1789
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: little William Colrood Jr. Like as a as a my nephew,

1790
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 1: like coaching those guys and all these other kids I've

1791
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 1: watched for three or four years on the same team,

1792
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 1: Like bro. My whole schedule is based around my practices

1793
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 1: and the team. That's where the god like everything is

1794
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: based around that. I'm always same position. Yeah, same position.

1795
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: Um I t had a big, uh scoring game. I

1796
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 1: want to say, one of your last summer league games.

1797
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: Looks like it looks like he's healthy. Obviously you're a

1798
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: big brother mentor to him. You know where he's at

1799
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 1: in the process mentally, and and and and and his

1800
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: ability to possibly still play at this level. Yeah, he

1801
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: can definitely play at this level and help. I'm looking

1802
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: at the games. I'm seeing some of the guys on

1803
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 1: the bench. I won't say no names, but I'm seeing

1804
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 1: different people and it's like they're just out there just

1805
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: feeling the time. It's not that I can really making

1806
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:22,719
Speaker 1: an impact. And I know he can make an impact,

1807
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 1: you know, And I know he's in a good place mentally.

1808
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's a little frustrated seeing the same things

1809
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm seeing naturally, you know what I mean. Like we

1810
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 1: we both see that he could be out there helping.

1811
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 1: And I still think it's gonna happen for him, I

1812
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: really do, but it's just it's messed up. He's in

1813
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: this position. But this is absolutely the healthiest he's been

1814
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 1: since it's been hurt. It's not just hype, it's not

1815
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 1: just talk. He's proved that everyone's playing. People that see

1816
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 1: him see that as well. Absolutely, man, we definitely wish

1817
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: the best for him. Quick hitters. First thing to come

1818
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 1: to mind, let us know your thoughts. If you can

1819
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 1: watch any sporting event in the history, which one would

1820
01:20:55,400 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: it be and why Michael Jordan hit is last shot

1821
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: with the Bulls because that was just so iconic and

1822
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 1: it was the perfect ending, and he had people forget

1823
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 1: he scored with forty three seconds left, and he came

1824
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: down and got to steal and had to score again

1825
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: with the game winter ye like, and I think they

1826
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 1: scored like eighty five. He had forty five of the points,

1827
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: So he scored eighty three forty five points with Pitt hurt.

1828
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 1: So I think that's the It was the perfect ending.

1829
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: It was if he had walked off, then had been

1830
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: the most perfect ending ever. So I think that's the

1831
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 1: one that vent v with you off the bench. Pick

1832
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 1: a starting five with your past teammates in their prime,

1833
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: their primes. Oh my gosh, you played with some motherfucker's too, man.

1834
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: So you sawing like Gray Hill, Pitty Hardaway prime. You

1835
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: got you got five teammates that you played in their prime. Chris,

1836
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 1: no interest, you gotta. I'm you know what, I'm gonna

1837
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: do it this way. It's gonna be easier for me.

1838
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do ones that were all ahead of me,

1839
01:21:58,120 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 1: so like older than me. I'm not gonna do the

1840
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 1: Roads and the CPS and those guys. So I'm going

1841
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Scottie Pippen, a small forward. I'm

1842
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: going with Penny at the point, grand Hill m hm.

1843
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 1: Those three, Um, that's offense and defense. With those three,

1844
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: that's everything. Yeah, that's everything. And then places now trying

1845
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 1: to go everybody older than me, so I don't have

1846
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: to really put the pressure on four um Charles Open

1847
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 1: at the floor mhm, and at the center. Or if

1848
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 1: I could get another forward you could go with. I'm

1849
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: gonna switch it that. I'm going Steph Penny Grant pipping

1850
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 1: it open. I'm just everybody. Yeah, I'm everybody over. Yeah. Nice,

1851
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,560
Speaker 1: And that's that. And that's Stephan Marbury, Yeah, Steph. I

1852
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: didn't play with Steff step almost And of course you

1853
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: could say CP blay all those guys. But I'm just

1854
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: going to rows too on your list. That's why I

1855
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: didn't go Nobody. Yeah. Yeah. Top three sports movies in

1856
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: your opinion above the realm mm hmm. I gotta go

1857
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 1: a pock Um. He got Game, remember the Titans. He

1858
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 1: got Game. I just felt like it was my life,

1859
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,679
Speaker 1: like in high school, how you start blowing up and stuff,

1860
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: so I could really relate to him. To Ray in Jesus, Yeah,

1861
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: I don't think the three best is three. They come

1862
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 1: to mind. Yeah, it's that's solid top five. If you

1863
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 1: have to pick five dinner guests. Wait, I'm going Andre

1864
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 1: three thousands, I'm going my mom, I'm going pot mm hmmm,

1865
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm going mom. Try all right, jay Z and Obama,

1866
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 1: that's a nice table. One album, one album you can

1867
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 1: listen to and repeat, no skips. Life after Death. That

1868
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 1: was easy. Yeah, I got the classic. All right, it's

1869
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: the last question. You should know what it is. Since

1870
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,560
Speaker 1: you asked the show. You can have one guest on

1871
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 1: All the Smoke, who would it be? Yeah, you better

1872
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: know my mood. Oh, hey, you know what, I don't

1873
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 1: want to get him in. Craig Hodges, I and I

1874
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 1: talked to him both. I talked to Craig Hodges when

1875
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: I was doing the speaking engagement in Chicago. We had

1876
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 1: I got his line night I talked to about mood

1877
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: in the Big Three about coming on the show Man.

1878
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 1: So we definitely need to get both of them. Yeah, yeah,

1879
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 1: we definitely need but you also if I have to

1880
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 1: slash d Hey, we need to help with the So

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Speaker 1: my my ass is gonna be for you is we

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Speaker 1: need to help with d Rose and be Roy. We

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Speaker 1: know we might have to come out to Seattle to

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Speaker 1: get b Roy, but you got to come out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you gotta come see how to give be. But I

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Speaker 1: would say just to come in, I would say, Mom,

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Speaker 1: moved to d Ros good call. Yeah all right, Jamal Man,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you, but man, this was everything, And again

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Speaker 1: we're definitely gonna try to make it out to the

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Speaker 1: program impossibly sitting down with you in person and really

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Speaker 1: highlight everything you're doing out there. Man, We appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: We love career, Bro. Appreciate your dog, Bro. Appreciate I mean,

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Speaker 1: great player, but even better person man. And that really

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Speaker 1: to me, that goes a long way. Man. So give

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Speaker 1: our best to the family. We appreciate you. And now

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Speaker 1: you can watch your own episode on All the Smoke.

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Speaker 1: Bro Hey, over and over repeat. Hey man, that's a wrap.

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Speaker 1: Thank our guest Jamal Crawford Jack. Good show. We can

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