1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 2: Single best idea. We'll be quick today. The entire team 3 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: has to take a nap after the sleepless day after 4 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 2: day that we're facing, and we hear from you that 5 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: you're facing as well. Let's get right to it. Urian 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: Timor is outstanding of fidelity. I can't say enough about 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: his technical analysis. He's very generous with it. Go to 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 2: LinkedIn and look for Urian tim Or t I mme 9 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: R and it is absolutely spectacular pro analysis of trend. 10 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: Here is Urian Timmer a fidelity counting sheep? 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, how you count sheep when you try to fall asleep? 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 3: I was counting the number of bear markets I've lived 13 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 3: through forty years on Wall Street, and so I'm at 14 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: number twelve now, so I've gone through twelve bear markets 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: and they're all equally indifferently scary, but they all have 16 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 3: things in common. And this is why we look at charts, 17 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,279 Speaker 3: of course, And ironically, you know the LTCM nineteen ninety 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: eight cycle, which of course there's no resemblance to today in 19 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: so many ways other than it was an unwinding of crowded, 20 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: levered trades. And of course we have some of that 21 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: this time around. But you know, a textbook technical pattern 22 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 3: is you fall ten percent because you know something is 23 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: not right, and then if it ends up being okay, 24 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: then you rally and everyone forgets about it. You know, 25 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 3: last summer that little growth scare with the Enkerry trade 26 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 3: was an example of that. Nobody remembers that, but it 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: was down ten percent, and then if something does end 28 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: up getting worse, it falls to twenty percent, and at 29 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: that point it's discounted a fair amount of bad news, 30 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: and then you get the inevitable rally like we saw 31 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 3: last week when the terrifts were delayed for ninety days, 32 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 3: and you bound up to that scene of the crime 33 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: where the market broke down the first time. So that's 34 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 3: fifty five hundred on the S and P, and that's 35 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 3: where the seller's come out and lo and behold, this 36 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 3: is exactly where this rally has stopped. 37 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: You're in timor just brilliant there on the technical trends 38 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: of the market, of course, now hanging on every headline. 39 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 2: I'm very very hesitant to say technical analysis really is 40 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: part of the discussion. We certainly have not seen going 41 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 2: down the typical chapter in a technical analyst textbook which 42 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: says you need Catharsis to find about him. I don't 43 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: think anyone in the game is saying that we've seen 44 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: a cathartic event. Constance Hunter is with EIU and also 45 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: macro policy perspectives, and she was just brilliant today. The 46 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: thing we talked about not here but before was animatics 47 00:02:54,200 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: and pharmaceuticals. She's really emphasizing the White House analysis of 48 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: pharmaceuticals within tariffs, and I picked up on what does 49 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: that mean for China is a export some of the 50 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: chemicals and those needed drugs that our families use each 51 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: and every day. From EIU, here's Constance Hunter on the moment. 52 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: So we're looking at all the intermediate goods, right. So 53 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: if you think about even manufacturing in the US, even 54 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: the manufacturing we do here, take important parts and put 55 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: that into the final goods. 56 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: Right. 57 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: So this is like the policies of Juan Peron in 58 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: Argentina in nineteen forty five when he said, well, we're 59 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: just going to make everything here in Argentina. Like, if 60 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: we keep going down this road, it does not end well. 61 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: So an I allusion to Argentina. Thank you, Anne Marie 62 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: Horden for her travel to Benessaris to speak of the 63 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: Secretary Treasury and needed conversation. Given the crisis. We are 64 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: going to continue with our conversations and discussions on tariffs 65 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: and on what clearly is a trade war. Particularly thank 66 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: you to our Hong Kong News bureau that's been sleepless 67 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,839 Speaker 2: in the Chinese morning about seven pm Eastern time, That's 68 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: when I really start looking at the next day, because 69 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: that is the next day in Asia on the Pacific Rim, 70 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: we are on YouTube. Subscribe to Bloomberg Podcasts. 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