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<v Speaker 1>Com Slash Aussi authority is in North Carolina first started

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<v Speaker 1>to get suspicious in that's when they noticed two odd

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<v Speaker 1>things near the city of Fayetteville. First, there was an

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<v Speaker 1>unusually large number of cigarettes being sold in the area,

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<v Speaker 1>far more than could be explained by local demand. The second,

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<v Speaker 1>police were stopping a number of vehicles along the local

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<v Speaker 1>interstate highway that were carrying cash, lots of cash. The

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<v Speaker 1>investigation led authorities to a plain, gray brick building. This

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<v Speaker 1>is where investigators say it all started. This business behind

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<v Speaker 1>me here is called free Co is listed on Google

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<v Speaker 1>as a candy business. But authorities say what was coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of here wasn't candy. It certainly wasn't what authorities

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<v Speaker 1>unearthened Fayetteville last year was one of the largest cigarettes

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<v Speaker 1>smuggling rings of its kind. Authorities seized about eight hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and forty tho dollars in cash, eleven vehicles, and four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand cartons of cigarettes and five guns. More than

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<v Speaker 1>two dozen people were arrested in connection with the twelve

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar operation. So why is there so much money

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<v Speaker 1>in moving cigarettes across state borders? Why would someone in

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<v Speaker 1>New York even want to buy the exact same cigarettes

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<v Speaker 1>from North Carolina that they can buy at home, And

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<v Speaker 1>most importantly, how did we get in this mess in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place. The answer, as we shall see, involves

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<v Speaker 1>a potent combination of taxes, war, and big business. But

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<v Speaker 1>most of all, the rampant cigarettes smuggling in America today

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<v Speaker 1>is the unintended product of good intentions and if you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for someone to blame, you could accuse everyone from

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<v Speaker 1>the smuggler to the tobacco industry to the tax collector.

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<v Speaker 1>But before you point any fingers, let me first tell

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<v Speaker 1>you a little story about the y m c A.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Sean Braswell. Welcome to Flashback, a history podcast from Aussie.

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<v Speaker 1>This season, we are diving deep into some of the

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<v Speaker 1>most remarkable and unsettling examples of unintended consequences from history.

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<v Speaker 1>In this episode, we'll see how an enormous active virtue

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<v Speaker 1>by the y m c A more than a century

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<v Speaker 1>ago continues to lead to all manner of vice, including

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<v Speaker 1>that cigarette smuggling operation in Fayetteville, North Carolina. The reason

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<v Speaker 1>that criminal operations like the one in Fayetteville exists is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty simple. The federal government imposes attacks on cigarettes. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a dollar and one cent per pack. Thomas E. Hall

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<v Speaker 1>is an emeritus economics professor at the University of Miami,

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio and the author of Aftermath, The Unintended Consequences of

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<v Speaker 1>Public Policies. But it doesn't matter where you buy them.

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<v Speaker 1>In the United States, you're gonna pay the federal tax.

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<v Speaker 1>What differs are these state taxes and the state taxes

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<v Speaker 1>on cigarettes very a great deal. Some states are low

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<v Speaker 1>tax states, some like New York, are not. The state

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<v Speaker 1>of New York adds attacks of four dollars and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five cents to a pack of cigarettes. Then the City

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<v Speaker 1>of New York also taxes, and they had an additional dollar.

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<v Speaker 1>And if he sent signed to a pack of cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 1>So that means if you bought a pack of cigarettes

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<v Speaker 1>in New York City, uh, there's five dollars and five

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<v Speaker 1>cents of taxes on a pack. Were close to sixty

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<v Speaker 1>dollars of tax per carton. North Carolina, on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>collect only about five dollars in tax per carton. I

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<v Speaker 1>may be a history buff, but even I can do

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<v Speaker 1>that math. Smugglers can make up to fifty five dollars

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<v Speaker 1>per carton selling North Carolina cigarettes in New York. And

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<v Speaker 1>if each truck of black market cigarettes carries about fifty

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<v Speaker 1>thou cartons, then you're talking about two point seven million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in potential profit per truck. Two point seven million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars per truck. So you can see what's going on here.

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<v Speaker 1>You have this this profit opportunity. To say the least,

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<v Speaker 1>there's more than just an opportunity, there's an easily moved commodity.

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<v Speaker 1>Cigarettes are a product that are very easy to move

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<v Speaker 1>around because they're they're light, um, they're small, and they're durable.

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<v Speaker 1>This sort of tax arbitrage opportunity and can play out

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<v Speaker 1>even within a radius of a few miles. I live

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<v Speaker 1>in Cincinnati, Ohio, and Cincinnati, Ohio is a river town.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on the Ohio River, and across the river is

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Kentucky. Now, Kentucky is a tobacco grower.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a big crop down there, so, needless to say,

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<v Speaker 1>the Kentucky state legislature has an interest in keeping its

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<v Speaker 1>tobacco farmers happy. Now, that means that the taxes on

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<v Speaker 1>tobacco are not as high in Kentucky as they are

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<v Speaker 1>aren't Ohio. In fact, it's a difference about fifty cents

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<v Speaker 1>a pack, which means if you're a smoker in Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 1>all you have to do to save fifty cents for

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<v Speaker 1>a pack of cigarettes or five dollars for a carton

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<v Speaker 1>is drive across the John A Robling suspension bridge to Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you cross one of those bridges, you'll find

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<v Speaker 1>one liquor and tobacco store after another right there by

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<v Speaker 1>the river. But the real opportunity for smugglers is moving

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<v Speaker 1>cigarettes from a low tax state like North Carolina where

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<v Speaker 1>I live, and a high tax one like New York.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Hall if I should be getting in on

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<v Speaker 1>the action. If you could keep the mafia off your back,

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<v Speaker 1>you can make one helpful lot of money moving cigarettes

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<v Speaker 1>up to New York. It's a dangerous business, though, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I'll pass. So how did we get in this

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre tax situation in America? The US first started taxing

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<v Speaker 1>tobacco to help raise money for the Civil War, and

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<v Speaker 1>they continued to do so after the war was over.

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Holligan. Essentially, what the government discovered was that this

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<v Speaker 1>was a great revenue raiser. By nineteen thirty, tobacco taxes

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<v Speaker 1>were generating about fifteen percent of the federal government's tax

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<v Speaker 1>collections four hundred and fifty million dollars of annual revenue

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<v Speaker 1>for about seven billion dollars worth today, and soon states

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<v Speaker 1>wanted in on the action. To The first state cigarette

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<v Speaker 1>taxes popped up in nearly nineteen twenties, and the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why they did was because we had a fairly bad

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<v Speaker 1>recession from nineteen twenty to twenty one, and during economic recessions,

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<v Speaker 1>revenue to governments goes down. The states were trying to

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<v Speaker 1>close their budget upsets, so they decided to start taxing cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen one, Iowa became the first state to enact

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<v Speaker 1>the state level cigarette tax. By the nineteen thirties, more

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<v Speaker 1>than thirty other states had followed. The original cigarette taxes

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<v Speaker 1>were pretty low. We're just talking about a few pennies

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<v Speaker 1>on the pack. But that's all it took to get

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<v Speaker 1>the smuggling started. Because once you impost higher taxes in

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<v Speaker 1>one area than another, then you have this opera economic

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<v Speaker 1>consent of to buy the cigarettes in the low cost

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<v Speaker 1>area and try to sell them in the high cost area. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>there wasn't a whole lot of money in smuggling cigarettes yet,

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<v Speaker 1>and most smugglers were still small time criminals. Meanwhile, the

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<v Speaker 1>popularity of cigarettes in America continued to soar even doctors

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<v Speaker 1>recommended them. Time out for many men of medicine usually

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<v Speaker 1>means just long enough to enjoy a cigarette, and because

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<v Speaker 1>they know what a pleasure it is to smoke a mild,

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<v Speaker 1>good tasting cigarette, they're particular about the brand. They choose

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<v Speaker 1>more doctors smoke camels than any other cigarette. Yes, you

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<v Speaker 1>heard that right. Then in the mid nineteen sixties, a

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<v Speaker 1>landmark event occurred, one that would prompt several states to

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<v Speaker 1>raise their cigarette taxes even higher. The reason why was

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<v Speaker 1>because the famous Surgeon General's Report of nineteen sixty four

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<v Speaker 1>came out. This book, containing three seven carefully worded pages,

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<v Speaker 1>as a federal government report. It was released at noon

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<v Speaker 1>today and it says, in view of the continuing and

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<v Speaker 1>mounting evidence from many sources, it is the judgment of

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<v Speaker 1>the committee that cigarettes smoking contributes substantially to mortality from

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<v Speaker 1>certain specific diseases and to the overall death rate. That

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<v Speaker 1>is the basic conclusion. That was the study that linked

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<v Speaker 1>tobacco consumption to all kinds of health problems. And when

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<v Speaker 1>that study came out, then people began to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we ought to try to discourage smoking. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very bad for people, and how can we discourage it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>one way is to raise the price of it by taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>The Surgeon General and states like New York had good

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<v Speaker 1>intentions to warn people about the harms of smoking and

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<v Speaker 1>to price them out of it. But the price difference

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<v Speaker 1>between states grew as a result. It was that wider

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<v Speaker 1>differential into prices that increase the profitability of smuggling. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's when the organized crime figures got into it in

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<v Speaker 1>a big way. And where did these smugglers see a

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<v Speaker 1>unique opportunity. Nope, not in North Carolina reservations. The Indian

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<v Speaker 1>reservations are not required by law to assess the state taxes,

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<v Speaker 1>and they govern their own territories and they are not

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<v Speaker 1>subject to the state laws. So a pack of cigarettes

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<v Speaker 1>will show up on this Indian reservation in New York

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<v Speaker 1>and no state tax has been paid on it. So

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<v Speaker 1>if if Joe consumer walks onto the reservation, they can

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<v Speaker 1>buy a pack of cigarettes without paying the New York

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<v Speaker 1>state tax. And so a reservation becomes a giant costco

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<v Speaker 1>for cigarettes. One reservation in New York is the Poospatuck

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<v Speaker 1>Reservation on Long Island. It's one square mile of territory,

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<v Speaker 1>has two hundred and seventy residents. And when somebody was

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<v Speaker 1>looking into this about ten years ago, they discovered that

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<v Speaker 1>they had in one year, imported one hundred million packs

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<v Speaker 1>of cigarettes. Overall, it's estimated that New York State loses

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<v Speaker 1>nearly one billion dollars in tax revenue per year because

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<v Speaker 1>of cigarette smuggling, and experts say that governments lose more

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<v Speaker 1>than forty billion dollars worldwide. But what makes it even

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<v Speaker 1>worse is where the money goes instead, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of profits to be had here. When there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of profits to be had, illegally, um questionable characters will

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<v Speaker 1>get involved in it. Remember the first bombing of the

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<v Speaker 1>World Trade Center in New York, back the one where

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<v Speaker 1>terrorists plays a truck bomb in the parking garage underneath

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<v Speaker 1>the building. When the investigators went to the apartment of

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<v Speaker 1>those uh, those men who had done that dastardly deed,

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<v Speaker 1>they found phony cigarette stamps in there. They were apparently

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<v Speaker 1>involved in cigarette smuggling. That's just one example. The Irish

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<v Speaker 1>Republican Army back under hey Day was smuggling cigarettes. Saddam

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<v Speaker 1>Hussein was a cigarette smuggler. In fact, his son who Day,

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<v Speaker 1>was running the operation. It gets worse. They caught a

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<v Speaker 1>guy up in New York a few years ago. He

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<v Speaker 1>was smuggling cigarettes and using the proceeds to fund scholarships

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<v Speaker 1>at terrorist training camps in Afghani Stands. In the year

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand smugglers involved in another eight billion dollar ring

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<v Speaker 1>were arrested here in North Carolina. Where were they sending

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<v Speaker 1>their profits to the terrorist group has blah? So the

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<v Speaker 1>government decides to tax cigarettes. Different states tax them at

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<v Speaker 1>different levels, and ban smuggling. Becomes a multibillion dollar industry,

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<v Speaker 1>one whose proceeds can be seen everywhere from reservations to

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<v Speaker 1>terrorist training camps. But that's only part of the story.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason that cigarettes first became so popular in America

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<v Speaker 1>and such a prime target for taxation by different states,

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<v Speaker 1>can be traced back to World War One. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>this problem really starts and our story truly begins. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you have an interesting tale about unintended consequences from history

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<v Speaker 1>z y dot com. Cigarettes may be found by the

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<v Speaker 1>truckload on some Native American reservations, but there's one place

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<v Speaker 1>you don't see them nearly as much as you used to.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember it as a young lieutenant, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>the the and and hearing the stories from some of

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<v Speaker 1>the older guys about how everyone pretty much smoked in

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<v Speaker 1>the military. This is Joel Bias, the lieutenant colonel in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States Air Force. He's also a professor at

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<v Speaker 1>their Air Command Staff College. And you watch the movies,

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<v Speaker 1>or you watch documentaries, or you think back to World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two, et cetera, just how different it is now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to find, especially an officer that smokes, especially

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<v Speaker 1>smokes in uniform UM, whereas forty years ago, in my business,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be probably hard to find a person in

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<v Speaker 1>uniform that didn't smoke cigarettes. Bias wrote a book called

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<v Speaker 1>Smoke Him, If You Got Him, The Rising Fall of

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<v Speaker 1>the Military Cigarette Ration. It looks at how the history

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<v Speaker 1>of cigarettes in America is closely connected to the armed forces. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>tobacco has a storied history in America going back to

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<v Speaker 1>the very beginning with the Mayflower and the Pilgrims in

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<v Speaker 1>the early founders UM. But for most of that sev.

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<v Speaker 1>Eighteen hundreds, it was not manu what we call today

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<v Speaker 1>a manufactured cigarette. And why weren't manufactured cigarettes all that

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<v Speaker 1>popular in early America, Well, it's because it was seen

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<v Speaker 1>as effeminate, meaning to smoke a cigarette was seeing something

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<v Speaker 1>that uh, a dandy would do. It wasn't seen as

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<v Speaker 1>very masculine or manly to be smoking a cigarette. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>prior to World War One, cigars, pipes, and chewing tobacco,

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<v Speaker 1>not cigarettes, were the predominant nicotine delivery devices in America.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't just effeminate cigarette smokers that were viewed

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<v Speaker 1>differently by Americans. Soldiers were two. So when America entered

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<v Speaker 1>the war against Germany in nineteen seventeen and started drafting

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<v Speaker 1>young men to fight in it, there were lots of

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<v Speaker 1>American mothers worried about what sort of morally compromising behavior

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<v Speaker 1>their sons would encounter even before they left camp for

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<v Speaker 1>actual combat. And of course, the great concerns at the

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<v Speaker 1>time for these progressives is they're bringing these millions of

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers into camp and training them for war. Is the

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<v Speaker 1>scourge of alcohol, prostitution, and idleness. The same Christian progressive

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<v Speaker 1>temperance groups like the y m c A that would

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<v Speaker 1>later help get prohibition passed in America set out to

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<v Speaker 1>reform the business of war, and one of the great

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<v Speaker 1>concerns of the this movement was the the ability of

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<v Speaker 1>young men to be morally and physically healthy. And thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to their lobbying, the U. S. Army prohibited alcohol near

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<v Speaker 1>training camps, made sure that any brothels within ten miles

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<v Speaker 1>of a camp were shut down. Even the U S

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary of War Newton Baker was involved. He gives a

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<v Speaker 1>speech to mothers and about the draft on what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and says, I'm gonna give your young men invisible armor. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And you would think he might be talking about to

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<v Speaker 1>save them from the death, you know, casualties and calm

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<v Speaker 1>at shrapnel, etcetera. But now he was talking about a

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<v Speaker 1>moral invisible armor to protect him from the the negative

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<v Speaker 1>moral effects that could happen for me in the military

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<v Speaker 1>and the war. But soldiers at war needs some form

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<v Speaker 1>of creature, comfort or distraction. The British and French soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>certainly had theirs. The British soldiers had got their own

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<v Speaker 1>ration every day, and the French soldiers had state sponsored brothels,

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<v Speaker 1>where the Newton Baker in the United States government is

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna truck with that. But they do allow cigarettes

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<v Speaker 1>to start being sold in the post exchange. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Cigarettes smoking became The American soldiers sanctioned vice during World

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<v Speaker 1>War One, and the group in charge of providing the smokes,

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<v Speaker 1>the y m c A. You know, history is often

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<v Speaker 1>irony and tragedy, and that's one of the ironic things

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<v Speaker 1>of history. Is one of the leading edge progressive organizations

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<v Speaker 1>concerned with soldiers health, morale, you know, morality becomes one

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<v Speaker 1>of the leading providers of the manufactured cigarettes starting in

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<v Speaker 1>World War One. There were good reasons in nineteen seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>to believe that cigarettes were the least worst option as

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<v Speaker 1>far as soldiering vices, and they might even be helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>Smoking a cigarette has a pharmacological effect. It causes the

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<v Speaker 1>blood vessels to to constrict, and it has a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, relaxing calming um sensation to it. They're

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<v Speaker 1>made to be the smooth and desirable, deeply inheld and

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<v Speaker 1>they give that relaxing euphoria kind of feelings. Obviously, there's

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<v Speaker 1>some stress involved in soldiering, especially in the type of

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<v Speaker 1>trench warfare situation that many soldiers found themselves in when

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<v Speaker 1>they got to Europe. You've got jittery hands, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're on the front lines and you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>shoot a rifle. Smoking a cigarette calming to hands is

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<v Speaker 1>something that you might want to have. And then there's

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<v Speaker 1>also just boredom. The y m c A dispensed around

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<v Speaker 1>two billion cigarettes to soldiers. Eventually the army took over

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<v Speaker 1>and included cigarettes in their standard ration. In total, around

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<v Speaker 1>seven billion cigarettes were distributed, and when the war ended,

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<v Speaker 1>the soldiers returned victorious and with a new habit. After

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<v Speaker 1>War one, seeing all the dough boys smoking cigarettes, coming

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<v Speaker 1>home with a cigarette in their mouth, um continuing to smoke,

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<v Speaker 1>it was considered manly, something that someone with very positive

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<v Speaker 1>character at morals UH engaged in. In fact, it was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a desirable kind of trade, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>what emerges is is, hey, i can just put a

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<v Speaker 1>cigarette in my mouth and I'm instantly considered masculine or manly.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, thanks to the Y m c A, the U. S.

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<v Speaker 1>Army and others, America emerged from World War One with

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<v Speaker 1>millions of new and very manly nicotine addicts. And away

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<v Speaker 1>we go in the nineteen twenties and thirties to where,

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<v Speaker 1>by the time we get to World War two, manufactured

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<v Speaker 1>cigarette smoking is a normative behavior and it profitable industry,

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<v Speaker 1>very profitable, so profitable that the government decided it needed

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<v Speaker 1>to take a larger piece of the action from the

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<v Speaker 1>pool of addicts it had helped create. So how is

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<v Speaker 1>this for a tale of good intentions gone dreadfully wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>The y m C, a of all groups, starts to

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<v Speaker 1>hand out cigarettes to soldiers during the First World War.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to make their struggle more manageable. Instead, they

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<v Speaker 1>create an army of new addicts, addicts increasingly willing to

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<v Speaker 1>fork over millions of their hard earned dollars to the

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<v Speaker 1>tobacco companies who make cigarettes and the governments that tax them.

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<v Speaker 1>Once the harms of smoking become a parent, the surgeon

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<v Speaker 1>general and state government step in to try to discourage

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<v Speaker 1>the use of cigarettes. They pass even higher taxes in

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<v Speaker 1>some states. But what does this accomplish. They create a

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<v Speaker 1>massive opportunity for smugglers, organized crime, and terrorists, one that

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<v Speaker 1>continues until this day. Is there anything that can be

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<v Speaker 1>done about this? And have we learned our us and

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<v Speaker 1>cigarette smuggling we see today. If you want to take

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<v Speaker 1>away the smuggling, you way you do it is you

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<v Speaker 1>take away the profit opportunity. And to take away the

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<v Speaker 1>profit opportunity is to take away these tax differentials. You'd

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<v Speaker 1>get a little rid of a lot of smuggling if

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<v Speaker 1>every state and locality had the same cigarette tax. But

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<v Speaker 1>how realistic is that? Anyway? That will probably never happen

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<v Speaker 1>because you have totally different interest groups that work here,

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<v Speaker 1>the tobacco producing states do not want high cigarette taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>The tobacco consuming states are the ones who want that.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Virginias in the North Carolinas and the Kentucky's

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<v Speaker 1>and the Missouris of the world are not going to

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<v Speaker 1>go along with this plan to equalize cigarette taxes because

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<v Speaker 1>and did they know that means raising their great square

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<v Speaker 1>a bit. Joel Bias is also skeptical about cigarette tax reform.

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<v Speaker 1>We're also uh looking at a massively profitable industry that

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<v Speaker 1>makes a lot of jobs, a lot of money, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of tax receipts for local, state, and federal government.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, we can't expect either big tobacco or

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<v Speaker 1>big government to change their stripes. But long term, says Hall,

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<v Speaker 1>it won't matter. Fewer and fewer Americans is a proportion

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<v Speaker 1>of the population eat your smoke. So it's this waning habit,

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<v Speaker 1>and as it wanes, smuggling opportunities will continue to diminish.

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<v Speaker 1>They won't go away, but they will diminish. The percentage

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<v Speaker 1>of Americans who smoke is at an all time low,

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<v Speaker 1>less than fift a half century ago. Before the Surgeon

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<v Speaker 1>General's report, that number was closer to But tobacco is

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<v Speaker 1>not the only harmful substance we have to worry about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not even the only one threatening ranks of the

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<v Speaker 1>nation's military. Just as the Surgeon General once learned some

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<v Speaker 1>disturbing truths about smoking, researchers today are learning some new

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<v Speaker 1>ones about energy drinks. Back in Fayetteville, North Carolina, where

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<v Speaker 1>authorities found our cigarette smugglers, there's another operation going on

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<v Speaker 1>down the road at Fort Bragg. Just days after President

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<v Speaker 1>Trump ordered the killing of Iron's top military leader, about

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<v Speaker 1>thirty d U S Service members are now being deployed

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<v Speaker 1>to the Middle East, and at times like these, volunteers

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<v Speaker 1>and groups like the U s O spring into action. Well. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of community members came together to make care packages

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<v Speaker 1>for military men and women. It's all part of a

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<v Speaker 1>brigade created a care for those serving overseas. Donations are

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<v Speaker 1>gathered and volunteers as symbol for packing parties. About four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred people gathered in a church gym to bring donations,

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<v Speaker 1>pack boxes, and write heartfelt letters. A wide variety of

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<v Speaker 1>items can make it in of the packages, from trail

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<v Speaker 1>mix and toothpaste to socks and sunblock. Another item you

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<v Speaker 1>often see energy drinks. More than five cases of donated

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<v Speaker 1>energy drinks were shipped off to troops in connection with

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<v Speaker 1>the recent deployment from Fort Bragg. It's a well intentioned gesture,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's one that can lead to some devastating consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>We were doing this study with soldiers. This is Dr

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<v Speaker 1>Amy Adler. She's a research psychologist with the Walter Reed

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<v Speaker 1>Army Institute of Research, and we happened to have them

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<v Speaker 1>in military classrooms, battalion classrooms, and they were sitting at

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<v Speaker 1>their desks and as we were handing out our surveys,

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<v Speaker 1>we noticed that at the top of almost every soldier's

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<v Speaker 1>desk were energy drinks. And just looking out across all

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<v Speaker 1>the soldiers, it seemed really amazing to me and to

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<v Speaker 1>the team that there were so many energy drinks present

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<v Speaker 1>in the room. And why do soldiers drink so many

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<v Speaker 1>energy drinks? You know, they want to perform at their

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<v Speaker 1>us they want to be able to function under conditions

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<v Speaker 1>of restricted sleep. So energy drinks really offer an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of boost their performance when they are sleep deprived,

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<v Speaker 1>and energy drink makers know they have a good market

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<v Speaker 1>with soldiers. Even the packaging of brands like Rip It

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<v Speaker 1>reflects why these drinks could be popular among soldiers. One

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<v Speaker 1>can of camouflage, another in stars and stripes. Each can

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<v Speaker 1>of Rip It also featuring a silhouette of an American

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<v Speaker 1>hero on the battlefield, and it works. The energy drinks

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<v Speaker 1>are enormously popular among soldiers, maybe too popular, amy Addler.

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<v Speaker 1>More than seventy of the soldiers we surveyed reported drinking

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<v Speaker 1>at least one energy drink sometime in the past month

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<v Speaker 1>and said that they drink an energy drink daily. But

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<v Speaker 1>the even more alarming number was the percentage of soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>who had had two or more energy drinks per day.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's one in six or of the soldiers who

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<v Speaker 1>we surveyed, So that's a sizeable group, and that's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of energy drinks and consuming that amount had some consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>So we found that for those soldiers drinking two or

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<v Speaker 1>more energy drinks per day, that they were more than

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<v Speaker 1>double at risk for reporting depression, anxiety, post traumatic stress disorder,

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol misuse, and aggression, even after we controlled for things

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<v Speaker 1>like rank and sleep problems. And one of the studies

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<v Speaker 1>most surprising findings was related to sleep drinking high levels

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<v Speaker 1>of energy drinks was associated actually with more fatigue and

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<v Speaker 1>not less fatigue. That's right, energy drinks made those who

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<v Speaker 1>drank them even more tired. Now, there's no evidence to

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that energy drinks are as harmful as cigarettes, but

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<v Speaker 1>that shouldn't stop us from taking to heart the lessons

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<v Speaker 1>of history. Just as their well meaning counterparts in the

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<v Speaker 1>Y m c. A. Distributed billions of cigarettes to soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>a century ago. Scores of earnest volunteers and army officials

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<v Speaker 1>today are sending off crate after crate of energy drinks

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<v Speaker 1>to soldiers, and we ought to know better than that

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<v Speaker 1>by now. I think if people know about the risks,

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<v Speaker 1>then they can make good decisions. And really, in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of what the military can do, the military can can

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<v Speaker 1>inform soldiers about the risk, they can inform healthcare providers

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<v Speaker 1>about the risk, they can inform leaders, so leaders are

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<v Speaker 1>armed with this kind of information. We still had time

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<v Speaker 1>to do something about the problem of abusing energy drinks.

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<v Speaker 1>We have the science and the lessons of history to

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<v Speaker 1>guide us, but we really didn't have that luxury when

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<v Speaker 1>we were confronted with cigarettes a century ago. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>as much as I want to stand and judge and

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<v Speaker 1>say Oh my gosh, Joel Bias. Again. We have to

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<v Speaker 1>judge people for their own time, you know, and people

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<v Speaker 1>would judge us as well a hundred or two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years for for for our own time. People are products

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<v Speaker 1>of their time, and so I think that that's the

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<v Speaker 1>tragedy of the irony of history. What did we learn

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<v Speaker 1>today about the tragedy and irony of history? One? The

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<v Speaker 1>y m c A is responsible for more than just

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<v Speaker 1>your local basketball league, way more. Two. Well, the y

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<v Speaker 1>m c A and the U. S. Army were handing

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<v Speaker 1>out cigarettes to American soldiers in World War One. The

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<v Speaker 1>French Army was operating state sponsored brothels for its soldiers.

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<v Speaker 1>That probably explains a lot of the difference between our

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<v Speaker 1>two countries. Three, too many energy drinks can make you

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<v Speaker 1>even more tired. And finally, if you want to save

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of money and avoid sponsoring terrorism, don't smoke

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<v Speaker 1>at all unless you're a doctor of course. Flashback is

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<v Speaker 1>written and hosted by me Sean Braswell, senior writer and

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<v Speaker 1>Here's one final thought from my lecture notes for this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Saddam Hussein's firstborn son, Uday was a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 1>A playboy, a rapist, a brutal killer as head of

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<v Speaker 1>a Rocks World Cup soccer team, even tortured players who

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<v Speaker 1>played badly. But there was perhaps one thing Day was

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<v Speaker 1>beyond all others. A cigarette smuggler. During the late ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nineties and early two thousands, at a time when a

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<v Speaker 1>Rock was under un sanctions, he was pulling in up

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<v Speaker 1>to ten million dollars per year for himself and his

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<v Speaker 1>father's regime by trafficking in illegal cigarettes. Day and his

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<v Speaker 1>brother say were killed by US forces in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and three, but you can still see Uday's gold plated

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<v Speaker 1>assault rifle today. It's location the JFK Special Warfare Museum

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<v Speaker 1>on Fort Bragg in Fayetteville, North Carolina. To dive deeper,

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<v Speaker 1>my lecture notes from today's episode, featuring extended interviews, links

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<v Speaker 1>to further reading and more information on the surprising history

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<v Speaker 1>of cigarettes, as well as links to other hidden stories

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