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Speaker 1: after the game, I think, okay, Brady heard his knee.

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Speaker 1: He's out for the season. And as my I'm standing

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Speaker 1: We're going to have a little different brand the football.

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Speaker 1: And that's you know, Mike a run the ball at

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Speaker 1: play defensive that is so deep in his soul that's

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Speaker 1: not going to change.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Games with Names presented by Duncan. I'm Julian Edelman.

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Speaker 2: They're Jack and Kyler, and we are on a mission

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Speaker 2: to find the greatest game of all time. On today's episode,

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Speaker 2: we are covering Super Bowl thirty eight Panthers versus Patriots

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Speaker 2: with six time Super Bowl champion, legendary football research director

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Speaker 2: of the New England Patriots and best friend of the show,

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Speaker 2: Ernie Adams. We are talking the most underrated Super Bowls

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Speaker 2: of all time.

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Speaker 1: You never know when that play is going to be.

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Speaker 1: That's when you got to give one hundred percent every play.

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Speaker 2: His thoughts on the twenty twenty five Patriots third year.

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Speaker 1: You gotta be a player when the championships on the

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Speaker 1: line you're ready to go.

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Speaker 2: And what he did to piss off Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: Weekly, Oh he got so upset with.

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Speaker 2: And we talk about what it's really like watching film

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Speaker 2: in the NFL. In this week's Chill Zone, presented by

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Speaker 2: cores like You Gotta stick around to the very end.

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Speaker 2: Games with Names, a production of iHeart Radio, February first,

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Speaker 2: two thousand and four, Reliant Stadium, Houston, Texas.

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Speaker 1: A minute eight left high game, Tom Brady leads the

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Speaker 1: Patriots on a potential game winning drive.

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Speaker 2: Then once again it all comes down to add him in.

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Speaker 1: A ARY's right foot is super.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get into Ernie and in just a minute,

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Speaker 2: but first we need to hit the Duncan pregame where

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Speaker 2: we fuel up on Duncan to make sure we are

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Speaker 2: ready for this interview.

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Speaker 1: Let me get a little my dunkin. I go little.

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Speaker 2: I got a little just I just got a regular

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Speaker 2: black coffee.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 3: Guy guys got his ice coffee. I got my refresher Eric.

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Speaker 1: I like my ice regular. I'm already drinking too many

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Speaker 1: Ace coffee.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, I think I'm more refresher than man at

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Speaker 3: this point.

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Speaker 1: Boy is it good?

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Speaker 2: These are incredible? Those things hit you too. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, they hit you.

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Speaker 1: Are they good? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Very good. I'm gonna try one very good?

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Speaker 1: Dare I say?

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Speaker 3: Refreshing?

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Speaker 1: What do we so?

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Speaker 2: We gotta fuel up? We gotta fuel up.

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Speaker 3: We're just getting our beds in us talking to here,

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Speaker 3: prepping here.

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Speaker 1: We gotta make sure we hit with Ernie.

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Speaker 3: Gotta gotta go over our our last minute details.

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Speaker 4: I'm curious as to what you guys think he's going

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Speaker 4: to be wearing. Are we talking Madris? We're talking stripes,

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Speaker 4: talking seersucker?

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Speaker 1: What do we think? Here's a start of summer.

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Speaker 3: I don't mean to cut anybody off here, but I'm

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Speaker 3: a student of Ernie. So first let's open our weather

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Speaker 3: app here. We've got to do our research.

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Speaker 1: It's the next day.

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Speaker 2: We're here in Massachusetts. Seventy nine, seventy nine. What's the

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Speaker 2: humidity level?

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Speaker 3: Lot feels like it's seventy six humidity sixty percent.

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Speaker 2: See, but it's a windy sixty percent. It's a little

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Speaker 2: it's not windy, but it's got a little gust out there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we have a whole pool situation at the

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Speaker 4: nut House. Oh yeah, we do, Oh yeah, we all

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Speaker 4: the umbrellas were in the pool. Oh yeah, you've got

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Speaker 2: Honestly, what's that thing called the sauce puck saucepass, sauce toss.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, oh boy, I've never seen that. I saw

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Speaker 2: It was awesome. It's fun. I never I never really

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Speaker 2: slapshoted something. Or you don't even slapshot, you just flick it.

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Speaker 2: enough of this puck talk. What's Ernie gonna be wearing?

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Speaker 3: What are we on the pants?

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Speaker 1: Let's find out Duncan donuts. That was the Duncan Nuts

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Speaker 1: free game game.

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Speaker 2: I'm a great interview boys, Ernie, Welcome to nuthouse, Duncan House, Boston,

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Speaker 2: Denham version. We are gonna go over super Bowl thirty

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Speaker 2: eight Panthers versus the Patriots. In one sentence, Ernie, why'd

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Speaker 2: you pick this game?

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Speaker 1: It was a crazy game, a lot of fun, very

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Speaker 1: unlike any of the other games we played. But you know,

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Speaker 1: when you kick it off the start of the game,

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Speaker 1: you don't know what what's gonna happen. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna be like a three to nothing game,

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Speaker 1: and it explodes at the end of the half, and

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Speaker 1: it's kind of the same thing happened at the end

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Speaker 1: of the second half.

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Speaker 2: Now, ern you've been on the show. Is just the

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Speaker 2: greatest game of all time, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Julian. I look, when you've won a super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: it's like children, they're all special. No, I mean, my, my,

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Speaker 2: We know exactly how that turned out. We'll jump into

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Speaker 2: these games in a second. But what have you been

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Speaker 1: And enjoying retirement? Just got through a three day session

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Speaker 1: with Philips Academy football camp, getting ready to start a season,

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Speaker 2: What do you do at these Phillips Academy football camps?

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Speaker 1: So? Actually had they had fewer coaches than they thought.

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Speaker 1: So I'm coaching linebackers?

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Speaker 2: Are you coaching?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I was some great kids. I fanta

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Speaker 1: same terminology we used with a thirty fourth the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: You got these kids too gapping.

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Speaker 1: We got them two gaping. They know the Royal Lee calls,

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine being a fourteen year old, fifteen year old,

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean it's the season. It's like, it's hard

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Speaker 1: I definitely like to watch, but everybody is so conscious

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Speaker 1: Steve Young said something a few years ago. You know,

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Speaker 1: And he's right. What you know, we when you were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's been really interesting. A lot of

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Speaker 2: I was recently at Chargers camp and I was talking

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Speaker 2: about Slater. You know, they just paid this tackle be

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Speaker 2: the game. Turre's the teller tendant. And I looked at it.

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Speaker 2: But I looked at it and I go, well, the

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Speaker 2: you would play guys in pre seasons that if you

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Speaker 2: and then you lose your starting tackle and you haven't

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Speaker 2: adjusted your roster at all. So it's almost if it's

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Speaker 2: going to happen, it's better to happen in the preseason

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Speaker 2: and in camp, so you have, you know, some time

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Speaker 2: to prepare for it. What do you think on that, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, I would if you give me. If you said, well,

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Speaker 1: you can lose a guy, a good player in preseason

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Speaker 1: or lose him in week four, I said, lose him

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Speaker 2: Now, is that where your sports fandom came from?

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Speaker 1: John Madden went to see him in the hospital every day.

437
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Speaker 1: So you know, so all the radio mentality, I mean,

438
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, there's there's a lot of good people there.

439
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, John Madden he's one of the most

440
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: important figures of this game. Just he loved teaching the

441
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: game of football and I mean he he single handedly

442
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 2: probably made it an international sport just through his video

443
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 2: game that he made, which he was very particular in

444
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 2: making that video right.

445
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Speaker 1: Well, because right because again you know, he's like out there,

446
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: he's a football guy. Football guy. Hey, this is a

447
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: right way. I mean, yes, it's entertainment, but it's football,

448
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: and we you know, we aren't have a game and

449
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: do it the right way. Yeah.

450
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: Now, there's this term that goes around right now that

451
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: if you're a guy that loves football and that you know,

452
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: you know ball. It's like these kids say, you know ball,

453
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: that guy knows ball. This guy, this guy doesn't know ball.

454
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 2: What determines if a person knows ball?

455
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: To Ernie Adams if he can talk intelligently about what's

456
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: going on in the field. I mean, if I look

457
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: at it, like, Okay, this is this is this is

458
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 1: what happened. Like I can tell, hey, this guy actually

459
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Speaker 1: knows what he's talking about.

460
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Speaker 2: Give me an example of that, like.

461
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you see a you see jill an element

462
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: run an option route. Hey, this you know saying that

463
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: understands this is an option route. The patterns designed, we

464
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: got good distribution of receivers, Jason makes his breakup coverage

465
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: from the ball. Just something like that. Okay, you actually

466
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: kind of know what's going what's going on out on

467
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: the field. You may not have to know every minute

468
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Speaker 1: detail of you know, Julian's his his stema on the

469
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: route or something like that, but but you'd have although

470
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: if you really know ball, you do know those details.

471
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: But you basically can look at a game and have

472
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Speaker 1: you know, a pretty a real good understanding of what's

473
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Speaker 1: what's going on.

474
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Speaker 2: Do you think everyone you probably don't even watch TV,

475
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: do you, Well? You mean, just in general, like on

476
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 2: commentating and stuff, who do you think out of all

477
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: the commentators know ball the best?

478
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Speaker 1: You know? Like I really like uh, Greg Olsen greg Olsen. Yeah,

479
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Speaker 1: I mean when he you know, I mean he uh,

480
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Speaker 1: he explained, when he explains things. I said, yeah, that's right.

481
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: You know, I mean Tony, when Tony Romo doesn't get

482
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Speaker 1: off on his tangents, you know, he he you know.

483
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Speaker 3: He holds Jim hold on Jim.

484
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Speaker 1: You know, I mean, he's he's really good because you know,

485
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Speaker 1: like when you're watching the game on TV, you can't

486
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Speaker 1: see all eleven. I mean, you know, particularly on defense,

487
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: so you know, you do to a degree rely on

488
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Speaker 1: the commentator as opposed to somebody who's just they know

489
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: that that's that's wrong, that's not what's going on here.

490
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Speaker 1: But you know, the thing that's great about TV, it's

491
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Speaker 1: with all the cameras, you get some great camera work

492
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: and showing things that you don't see watching coaches, you know, higher,

493
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I love you know that shot you would

494
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, we used to get his coaches. You know,

495
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: it's higher on the sideline, high on the end zone.

496
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: You can see it. But when the TV is right

497
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: ground level zoomed in, I mean you can really you know,

498
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: you can see at the receiver really looked the ball

499
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: into his hands. Did you so?

500
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 2: Did you watch all copies of cut up so you

501
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: would watch TV copy. Let you know, the all twenty

502
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 2: two sideline high, bo line high.

503
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Speaker 1: The thing about when you're coaching is there's still only

504
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: twenty four hours in the day. Okay, I mean that's good. Yeah.

505
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: Now in the office, that's where you can really watch

506
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: that is in the off season. You know, time is

507
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: not a fact there, Yes, you know. Then you want

508
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: to sit you know, I want to watch the TV

509
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: copy of this game and you may see a couple

510
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: of clips where you can really you see something that

511
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: you wouldn't see off off a coaches film and you

512
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: can use that to you know, improve improve your knowledge,

513
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: improve what you're going.

514
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Speaker 2: To tell you, Well, Ray Lewis used to watch them

515
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 2: all the time. This guy used to call out our

516
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: goddamn hook routes. He'd be like, look, we've been calling

517
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Speaker 2: out our signals and a lot of the times it

518
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: was only a guy like him that would really take

519
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: advantage of that. But you're going so fast they can

520
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: know what you're doing, they can't process.

521
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: It right, But you know what, that's right, there's only

522
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: a few it's like, uh, you know the speed at

523
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: which Tom was playing. Yeah, I mean it's you know,

524
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: Tom and Ray Lewis. I mean, you know they really

525
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: playing chess. They're right, and they can you know, they

526
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: know where all the you know, it's not I have

527
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: to look at you. You know, I see this guy

528
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: over here, so I know what that guy over there

529
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: is supposed to be doing. And I don't have to

530
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: think about it. But you know it's uh. One of

531
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Speaker 1: my favorite coaches in this year football, Tom Landry, used

532
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: to say, by the time you really know how to

533
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Speaker 1: play this game, you're too old. You're too old. It's true.

534
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: It's true.

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Speaker 2: It's and the only one who really defined that was Tom.

536
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Speaker 1: Right well he I mean, but you know he's such

537
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: an outlier. Okay, you got Tom. I mean Warren spawn

538
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: won twenty games at age forty three. I mean Ted

539
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: Williams had nineteen fifty eight was one of his best seasons.

540
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: There are almost freaky.

541
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Speaker 2: Play Lebron James in that category, right.

542
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: So there, but you're talking about a really small number.

543
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this quick break. And that's

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Speaker 2: what I think a lot of these people don't understand

545
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: that Tom's a freaking outlier. Like when we got all

546
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Speaker 2: these other guys that are you know, playing quarterback at

547
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: the position that they're playing, and they're they're getting past

548
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 2: their thirty eights, like that's usually the number that's that's it.

549
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: And then you know, we're getting guys that are getting

550
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: paid off Achilles hundreds of millions of dollars at thirty

551
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Speaker 2: you know, thirty eight thirty. I'm like, yo, you guys

552
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Speaker 2: are taking They're not on the TV twelve method.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

554
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Speaker 5: Yeah, There's only one guy that plays into his forties

555
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 5: like that, and that's Tom fucking Brady, right yeah, And

556
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 5: that's because he was able to process so fast and

557
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 5: by the time the game got to that age he

558
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 5: was he wasn't getting hit like he used to, right,

559
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 5: so he.

560
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Speaker 2: Can sit there and he knew where he was, you

561
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Speaker 2: know what I mean.

562
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Speaker 1: So we're playing the Seahawks and the Super Bowl and

563
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: they got Michael and you know, forget blocking him. We

564
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: were having a hard time. We couldn't. We would have

565
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: had hard time catching him with a net. Yeah, okay,

566
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: And and he's two feet and Tom was, okay, we're

567
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: having a problem blocking this guy. He's going on top

568
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: of me fast. I mean, I just got to get

569
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: it out faster. I mean, you know he could speed

570
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, he can speak, could speed it up as

571
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Speaker 1: much to you know, to whatever speed he wanted. And

572
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: that's why he's great.

573
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Speaker 2: Now we were talking about camera angles of watching the

574
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Speaker 2: game at home. How are you watching the game at home?

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Speaker 1: Now? I sit down, I got my nice big TV

576
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: chair I got, I have a commercial grade TV, and

577
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: I sit there and I watch. Now, if it's a

578
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: team I'm interested in, you know, I will tape the

579
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Speaker 1: game and you know I and you know, well, yeah

580
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Speaker 1: I miss h I miss you know, watching all twenty two.

581
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: But I know Bill Walsh got to the point he

582
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Speaker 1: he preferred, you know, coaching off of TV E tape

583
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: because you could, you know, the stuff you could see

584
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Speaker 1: that you can't necessarily see from up the top of

585
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: the statement. It's it's like the difference between when I

586
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: go when I go to a game, I always say

587
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: I want to sit on the highest seat in the

588
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: stadium on the fifty yard line, okay, which is basically

589
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: we're going to get the coaches film now, But you

590
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: can also go sit in row three.

591
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: You got binoculars when you're there, Uh, you know, I

592
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: take them. You take them, just make you.

593
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: Know, don't use my butt. Also, it's fun just to

594
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: go sit and row three because that's how totally different.

595
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you're watching a different game and row

596
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: three than you are from the top of the stadium.

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00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: It's so there's all different. It's like, uh, you know

598
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: having you know, watching the game from the end zone.

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00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: I mean, well, you know that's that's a totally different look,

600
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Speaker 1: you know than watching it from the sideline. From from

601
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Speaker 1: the sideline and without a.

602
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Speaker 2: Doubt, but like, are you are you going YouTube TV

603
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: now where you get the package? And are you splitting

604
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: up like all the games?

605
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: And I said, you know what if I really, if

606
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Speaker 1: I want to spend eighteen hours a day doing that,

607
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have retired. Okay, I mean it's like.

608
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: So we're picking one game a week, you know.

609
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Speaker 1: I'll say, I mean, like, I look, actually, who are

610
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Speaker 1: the teams that are interesting to me?

611
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: Who are the teams that are interesting this year?

612
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: Ah? Boy? Like for me, most interesting always is Denver.

613
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: Denver, Cambo Nicks and Sean Payton creaking up again.

614
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: Right because I spent I thought they had. I mean,

615
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: I think Sean's a great offensive coach. I'll say, when

616
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: he was at the Saints. I mean I in the

617
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: off season, I watched every game they played, so it's always,

618
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: I mean every game. So it's and you know, he

619
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Speaker 1: goes into Denver and it's not a great situation. They

620
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: they have really made improvement. So to me, that's, yeah,

621
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Speaker 1: what what are they going to do now? Uh So

622
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Speaker 1: that's a really uh my little quirky way of thinking

623
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Speaker 1: about the.

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Speaker 2: Peyton's got a little crossover with you guys because he

625
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: was a parcel guy right.

626
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: Here was Barshall's he got you know, he he used

627
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: to be because he got suspended for a year, so

628
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: he he he. He was the one along with us

629
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Speaker 1: who had some feelings about the you know about about

630
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: the league. We had several times we had the joint

631
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: practices that I remember now now those were those were

632
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: incredibly productive.

633
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: Can you explain the listener why a joint practice is

634
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: incredibly productive? Okay, because there's been a lot of talk

635
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: because now, I mean, we're start seeing fights every freaking weekend,

636
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: which is dumb.

637
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: He is right now, So here's the key to doing that.

638
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: And you know what we as I mentioned to you,

639
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: I just have spent a few days little football camp

640
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: for Phillips Academy. There were four schools there. But what

641
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: you do. And we had a joint practice yesterday morning

642
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: with another just just teach shorts and T shirts. We

643
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: went seven on seven. But you get both teams together

644
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: and you tell them, look, any bs, you're being thrown

645
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: out of practice. And like we if we were practicing

646
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: with the Patriots, Sean Payton can throw out a Patriots

647
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: player if he's being a jerk, and Bill can throw

648
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: out a Saints player if he's being a jerk. We're

649
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: just not going to put up with that period. End

650
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: of story. And that you probably.

651
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: Remember we were always pretty productive.

652
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: We were totally But the part of it was, look,

653
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: you just both you get both teams together, they hear

654
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: it from both coaches. If there's you know, we are

655
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: not We're here to practice. You know, we're not fighting.

656
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: And if there's any problem, you are out and you

657
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: know it's listen, if you really want to fight, we

658
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: will buy you a pair of boxing lives. We will

659
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: set up a ring and go to it. Yeah, and

660
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: you know, and we never. Now the big thing is

661
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: what we find was you can have two really productive practices,

662
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: Trying a third is pushing pushing it push. So we

663
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: were we are our first time we did we were

664
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: at the Cleveland So this is like three ninety two

665
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: or ninety three. We went up to Platteville, Wisconsin have

666
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: with the Bears and they got, you know, a real

667
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: problem player. And the third practice was we needed to

668
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: kind of just stop it before it was going to

669
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: get out of control. But you just the whole thing

670
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: is the biggest thing. You got to make sure everybody,

671
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: get all the players just to explain what the ground

672
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: rules are going to be. And you will get thrown

673
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: out of practice if there's a problem. So just that's it, period.

674
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: And it's and it's useful. Why it's useful because you're

675
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: going you know, you go training camp, you're going as

676
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: the same guys every day, the same offense, the same

677
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: If the defensive players are actually smart, they can listen

678
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: to the quarterbacks cadence, they can learn things. If you're

679
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: if every reivers you can listen to libfore coming technique,

680
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: you can listen to the defensive backs going Linda, Linda, Linda, Okay,

681
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: I know it's his own coming down to my left.

682
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: It's like playing the Pittsburgh Steelers, a great defense, you know,

683
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: over twenty years. Like Tom would say, hey, look, I

684
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: hear him going buster buster Buster. It's the same cover

685
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: two check they've had for twenty years. Okay, Like I'm

686
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: not stupid. I know it's gonna be covered too. You know,

687
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: there's you know stuff like I'm sitting I want say,

688
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: like two years, two thousand and twenty three season. I'm

689
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: watching the game at home on TV and it's a

690
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: Thursday night game, the Patriots playing the Steelers. And you

691
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: know they always get an offensive lineman Mic Dock, so

692
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: you can hear. That's how you hear, you know, the quarterbacks.

693
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: But I'm listening to these guys women. They're doing their

694
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: line calls. Colin blocking orange, orange, yellow. Yo. I know

695
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: what these I'm sitting there. I'm just sitting in my

696
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: little I know what this place canna be. You know,

697
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: it's uh.

698
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 2: So joint practices. You get to use your terminology.

699
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: Well, it's like the COVID year. If you could actually

700
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: hear during the.

701
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: Game, it was gnarly. You can hear the other coaches

702
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: from the other side. It was like a scrimmage in

703
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: high school. You can hear the personnel groups everyone. We

704
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: can look and see that they're everyone, they're looking and

705
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: watching us. It was fucking r State. It was senior

706
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: unit at Kings State.

707
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: See, yeah, it was like they had. They used to

708
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: be a few stadiums like Minnesota, like the old Minnesota

709
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: Stamp where the two silent two benches are on the

710
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: same side. Okay, so they had and then from the

711
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: forty five to the forty five is kind of the

712
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: d m Z. Yeah you know, you said your side. Yeah, so,

713
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: I mean the Patriots are playing the uh uh. The

714
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: Vikings was one of my best friends, Charlie Summer. He

715
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: goes a little bit. He stand right next to Bud

716
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: Graft said, coach, how you're going.

717
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: Back to the joint practice you get to try.

718
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: You're going against another team. It's unlike a game. The

719
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: film does not get distributed around the league. You have

720
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: a very clear understanding with the other team. Nothing you

721
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: know nothing, None of this practice film will you know,

722
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: will leave the two buildings. You're going against. Your best

723
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: players can go against their best players at practice tempo.

724
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: But you get that first step you're seeing.

725
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: You know, it's huge for the when people don't realize

726
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 2: it's huge for the evaluation process totally. I mean So

727
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: are these guys gonna react like this is like a

728
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: baby game.

729
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 1: I don't.

730
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: I don't like there's a lot of critics out there

731
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: about these joint practices. If they're used right.

732
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are very I mean, if if you go

733
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: out there for twenty minutes and you got you know,

734
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: it's like you know, you know, fifty on to fifty brawl,

735
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: you know you shouldn't have come. But I I really

736
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: think you said it's the two head coaches at the

737
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: ground rules at the start. And the big thing is

738
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: if we're going joint practice, you can throw out one

739
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: of my players and I can throw it one of yours,

740
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: and every and there's not gonna be and and we'll

741
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: back you know, and if you throw at one of

742
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: my players, you know that's it. I'm you know, I'm

743
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: going to back you up on that, and so everybody,

744
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's okay, it's kind of like

745
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of like teaching third grade. Okay, you you

746
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: you you set out the roles. Everybody knows here and

747
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna push, try can get away and just get

748
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: away with that. You know, you have very clear standards.

749
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: And it is bunch of bunch of dumb jocks. You

750
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: just wanted to go kill each other.

751
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: All right, you can't do that, right, No, it's you

752
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: know what, and they will probe and see, you know,

753
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: see what they You always got to guess where they go.

754
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: I got kicked out of like the first practice with Gilmour,

755
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 2: remember yeah, and you know, hey pulled dread. I got

756
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: one rude, I said, welcome doing the buddy. I'm probably

757
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: pretty sure that coaches liked it.

758
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: Look, it's football. You got to have a little edge.

759
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you talk about head coaches. So

760
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: George Young was our general manager at New York and

761
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: he was, you know, kind of a football philosopher. Said, look,

762
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily want your head football coach to be

763
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: a well adjusted human being. I mean, when you know, listen,

764
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: it's this is not like what we're doing. It's not normal. Okay.

765
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: So so I mean, but you have to be true

766
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: to the game.

767
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 2: And we're trying to normalize football. That's what it is.

768
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: Well, what they're trying to do is make it like basketball. Okay,

769
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you can just go out your

770
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: shoot around play and okay, yeah, there's some contact on

771
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: to the boards. But it's it's football is different. I mean,

772
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: that's it.

773
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: It's you know, I'm so interested to hear your take

774
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: on the new kickoff rule. I've been watching it more

775
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: and more, and these guys are all trying to do

776
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: the pooch kicks in the land zone.

777
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: Now you've seen that, Yeah, I got that. And now

778
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, you know, they're getting like this kid

779
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: the Patriots cheft the second round Henderson. This kid's got

780
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: phenomenal acceleration. Phenomenal Yeah, I mean the boom so host it.

781
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: I mean every time he and and they come back

782
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 1: and get him on an offense, they run a toss crack,

783
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: he's going to go boom, Yeah he is.

784
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: You know, I like, I think that could be the

785
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: steal of draft. I said that earlier, right he I

786
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: mean he's smart kid, good kid. They say he's a professional.

787
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and he's got some real dynamic skill.

788
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: But but this is so I haven't watched a lot

789
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: of it. I haven't studied enough, but you know, you're

790
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: all I mean, you get one little crease in there.

791
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: And you're going and it's more like a punt.

792
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

793
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: But it's been really cool just to see what these

794
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: kickers are gonna do. You're gonna really have to You're

795
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: gonna really have to study like we used to the

796
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: kickers approach to the ball. Right, is he doing the

797
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 2: del Greco where he widens and then he skins it

798
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 2: up and then he brings it to the one way?

799
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: Or is he tight?

800
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: Right?

801
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 5: Is he tight?

802
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: Writer?

803
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: Or is he del Greco?

804
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: And you'll love this, but working with my high school

805
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: Phillips acavity Ty, we went against the kicker last year

806
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: who used the del grec hey watch and then I

807
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: had to sit down explain to them who al del

808
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: grecor do.

809
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: You explain del Greco? What is a del Greco approach?

810
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: Okay, So if I'm gonna if I'm a right footed kicker, okay,

811
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: a soccer style kicker, and I want to mortar it

812
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: to pouch it over to the right, Okay, to get

813
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: my angle of approach proper to the ball, I'm gonna

814
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: go straight ahead at the start, then take the angle

815
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: over and then kick it because if I just take

816
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: the normal soccer style approach on the angle, it's really

817
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: hard to make that kick tight right, right, So but okay,

818
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 1: you gotta watch for this. You watch you know, first

819
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: of watch study the ball on the tee where you know,

820
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: with elaces on the t and watch the kicker, watch

821
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: his approach and he'll take you know, he will. He

822
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: will tell you a lot.

823
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 2: I remember studying that with Scotti O'Brien all the time.

824
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: Yep. It's to say, hey, look but I don't care

825
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: if it's professional high school. You're a right foot soccer

826
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: style kicker and you want a more earth to the right,

827
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: there's only really one way you can do it.

828
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm really excited for that play because

829
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 2: it is a dynamic play and ever since they moved

830
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: it to the thirty five, now yeah, you know, it

831
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: becomes a factor. It's going to become it's this is

832
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: going to become a play.

833
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: Oh listen, I mean last year is it didn't happen.

834
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: I mean this year you're very I said, I don't

835
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: really want the team, you know, getting on the thirty five.

836
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: So you know, now they're you know.

837
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: I mean, that's damn near one first down with some

838
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: of these goddamn kickers in a field goal kid kicked

839
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 2: a seventy yarder in a preseason get that is huge.

840
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: Hey, lookten, it's it's well if you uh you you

841
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 1: were there. You remember Steve hitting the seventy one yard

842
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: and practice at the Air Force Academy. Yeah, I mean

843
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 1: that was like wow, Grant Shoup with seventy five hundred feet.

844
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: But that's why we went, you know, we did how

845
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: I was sixty seven yards the end of the first

846
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: half the raiders in Mexico City. That was it.

847
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: I thought that was at ninety two? Was it a

848
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: little more?

849
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: Is that?

850
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: Who was the elevation of Mexico City seventy?

851
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: So that then that's why, you know, that's why we were. Man,

852
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: we thought that was a good week of practice because

853
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: we're exactly that get that wind type and all, you know.

854
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 1: And then of course we got the Air Force guys

855
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: out there with the falcon. Come dive boy, and so

856
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: you stand up there you see that the bird coming

857
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: down two hundred miles an hour. Oh, it's scary.

858
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: Ernie running from a lot of things on the practice

859
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: field coming down. Man, he loves running from those seas well.

860
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: I didn't run for the falcon because there's the guy there. Hey,

861
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: this guy, he's stayed there with his armball. I know

862
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: that bird's coming right there. That you know that that

863
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: Air National Guard playing buzz in the stadium. I did

864
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: not know what he was.

865
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: Now, Uh, what do you think about the the new

866
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: virtual first down?

867
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: You know, it's uh, it's probably. I mean, how many

868
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: games have you decided by a measurement that far? Well,

869
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: let's face it, if the measurements effort, maybe it was,

870
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't. You know, you just you trust the uh,

871
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: you trust the officials to do. I mean it's like

872
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: the all timer for spots was the snowball, and the

873
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: officials told us before they get book, coach, it's snow.

874
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna do the best we can. And then you know,

875
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: John Gruden challenged the spot in the snow. I mean, seriously,

876
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: it's all it's all white. You argue over six inches

877
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: out on a field of snow. I mean, okay, did

878
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: he win? No? I mean you would have had you

879
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: would have had it off by two yards you know,

880
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: to get uh so yes, so I listen. I mean

881
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: those contracts come to your house, they got the laser point.

882
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: You know that's gonna be spot on accurate.

883
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 6: So it's you know better, Yeah, I think it's better now,

884
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 6: but you still have the official has spotting spot the

885
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 6: car and yeah, when you talk about an official, spotting

886
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 6: particularly particularly and it's like challenging first downs.

887
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: It's one thing if it's on a major yard line,

888
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: like if you have to get to the twenty yard

889
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: line for a first down, then it's a lot easier.

890
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: You can see he made the line and he did.

891
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: But if you have to get to the thirty two

892
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: and the bus somewhere between the thirty one and a

893
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 1: half and the thirty two, it's really hard to those

894
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: are you know, I mean the official if he's if

895
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: his spot is off by that much, it'll be a

896
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: first down, not a first down. And he's looking at

897
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: from an angle. He's doing the best he can. I mean,

898
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: that's it's like it's like umpires, calm balls.

899
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: And strike anymore. Well, robot's coming from you.

900
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: Know, robot may come.

901
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: But right now, we haven't had you on since since

902
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: Rams became head coach.

903
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: It's right, and here we have the game we're going

904
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: to talk about Super Bowl thirty eight coach Mike Rabel

905
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: stripsack and kind of touchdown pass.

906
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: Strip sack and caught a touchdown pass.

907
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: Okay, then no, I mean that's a good chance it'll

908
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: be a long time for somebody else plays in the

909
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, has a strip sack and catches a touch.

910
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: Long time it'll be.

911
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: Now what are your what are your thoughts on how

912
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: how coach will be as a coach.

913
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: You know what I remember, of course about Mike was

914
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: when we went defense, when there's the defensive show team

915
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: out there for the offense, Mike played week safety and

916
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: that was his position. If anybody else had gone out

917
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: there said I'm playing week say, Mike would have said,

918
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: get the f out. Yeah. So he loved the running

919
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: commentary and football. You could tell that Mike was totally

920
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: in the football and I will say some players, you

921
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: can tell if he wants to coach, he'll be a

922
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 1: good coach. The question is does he want to work

923
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: the hours, because it's not you know, if you're a player,

924
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: you know you're getting the beating and all, but at

925
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: least at the end of the day, you know, Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesday,

926
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: Thursday five, I can go home. For coaches, you're gonna

927
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: be there at eleven o'clock getting ready for the next day.

928
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: Some guys just say, look, I love football. I really

929
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: don't want to be here at eleven o'clock every night,

930
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: like Ryan Wendell. I knew Wendy'd be a good coach.

931
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: He's at Buffalo, so I went over to him. Well

932
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: she started buff Yeah, and I went out, Wenday, how

933
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: you liking this coaching? He says, I love it. So

934
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: if you actually I know, he knows the football, if

935
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: he likes, you know, actually doing it, he'll he'll be,

936
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: you know, be a really good coach. Other guys, I

937
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: don't you know. I mean, if you're coaching, you get

938
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 1: up in the morning, your wife's asleep, you come back,

939
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: you come back at night, she's asleep, you know. I mean,

940
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: it's it's the Vince Vince Lombardi thing with his wife

941
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: Marie and coaching on Monday. Monday through Wednesday. We don't talk.

942
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: On Thursday we say hello. But Friday he's actually civil.

943
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: I mean during the season. That's and that part of

944
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: it for coaches has not changed at all. It's like

945
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: somebody somebody asked, me, well, what a coaches do? Hey?

946
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 1: The best book ever written on the subject was Vince

947
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: Lombardi's book Run the Daylight. It's minute to minute account

948
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: of him going through a big game. You know, in

949
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two now and it's okay, so he used

950
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: sixteen millimeter film that he was taking. But getting a

951
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: team ready to play, it's the same thing it had,

952
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: it has not, you know, it is not you know,

953
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of plays are different, but the process

954
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: for a coach hasn't changed, hasn't. So Yeah, sos Raby's

955
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: putting the hours in knowing him. I'm sure he is,

956
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: you know.

957
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm excited for them because you usually do

958
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 2: take the personality of your head coach.

959
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 1: Right, and it takes and it takes, you know, you

960
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: take it and it's not something you do in one

961
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: off season on one training camp.

962
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you got to go through some you know,

963
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: and he's done that though in Tennessee. I mean he

964
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: hasn't resumeated this guy.

965
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: No, he did, no question, I mean he had, but

966
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: but I mean as farre as Okay, he did it

967
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: at Tennessee. But to come in, okay, you come in

968
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: the Patriot new bunch of guys, you know, you start

969
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: all over. There's no you know anything he did it

970
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: did at Tennessee. That's that's ancient history, just like anything

971
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: that the Patriots said when micros a player that's like,

972
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: that's pat that's ancient, ancient history.

973
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 2: It is who's the smartest football mind you ever think.

974
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: You coached, ever coached. I have to be Tom, Tom.

975
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: I mean because he first of all in twenty years.

976
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean there's nothing like have and I mean you're

977
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: the You're the starting in the same offense for twenty years.

978
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: I mean it because and the offense really it evolved

979
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: around him, so you know, and he always like, we'll

980
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: go up for Friday practice. When I do the cards

981
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: to the defense, you can't show me a coverage. I

982
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: haven't said, okay, big, I will see. So now we

983
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: used to have a little that was always a little

984
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: bit of a challenge in there.

985
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 2: And that's what So that's why we used to get

986
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: the you know, when the coach was an offensive or

987
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: defense assistant at UOP or something, and he showed one

988
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 2: blitz in nineteen eighty four.

989
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: I watched to be you, Tom side.

990
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 2: That's your way of getting that, Tom.

991
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know it's like, hey, what killed him

992
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: every time was dropping eight in the red area. Oh

993
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: he got so.

994
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 3: Upset with.

995
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: Because the windows are small and they just shrunk the

996
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: small the p drop pe drop in the red area.

997
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: He would get so mad.

998
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: Which is why he needed to see it, which is why.

999
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: We were Yeah, do you ever remember a specific time

1000
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: you stumped him and he got really mad?

1001
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: Oh those drops in the red.

1002
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: Oh my got those were fun. The earning cards. Everyone

1003
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: knew Friday earny cards.

1004
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: But it was because Friday is supposed to be your herd.

1005
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: Your hard physical work days are Wednesday and Thursday. And

1006
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: what I really wanted to do, I'm totally encouraged by Bill,

1007
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: was we want to ramp up the mental preparation on Friday,

1008
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: so you don't just go out there and around curls

1009
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: against cover three half a whooped? You do you hit

1010
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: a curl and cover three? You know, So we're gonna

1011
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna make it make first of all,

1012
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: make it challenging, make it interesting. I've had everybody's attention.

1013
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: You know, it's so easy to go out there. They

1014
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: know you know, hey, we're not we're not a totally

1015
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: full speed and you know, never never in pads. You

1016
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: know you don't want anybody, you don't want anybody on

1017
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: cruise control. And that's the thing I really got from

1018
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: Bill Walsh was don't ever let players go on cruise

1019
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: control at practice. Yeah, that's you know, even if it's

1020
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: not full speed contact, they got to be thinking every

1021
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 1: step of the way. Yeah, they do.

1022
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: And every player I've brought up, every player that's been

1023
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 2: on games with names, the earning cards come up, at

1024
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: least Patriots, you know, the any cards come up, and

1025
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 2: they all have a strong opinion about it.

1026
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: It's not very good, but you know what it was.

1027
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so that's one of those things. If

1028
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: Bill and I liked it, it was good period, end

1029
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: of story exactly.

1030
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: Now have you heard of it? Have you ever met

1031
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: John Striker?

1032
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: I have not had the pleasure of Meetingum. Have you

1033
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: heard of them? Oh? Yeah, what have you heard? Well?

1034
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: I know, hey, coach Mike Vrabel in the newspapers and

1035
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: he's he's unlike me. He has a sense of humor.

1036
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: You just don't know the sense of humor. Maybe maybe

1037
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: it's too high.

1038
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: Prow hey, but you know what that's Hey, that's why

1039
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: I love Mike Rabel. I mean, particularly defensive players got

1040
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: to have a little edge. Mike's got a little edge,

1041
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: and you know that's what I love Mike.

1042
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 2: For coach straight I mean, pat McAfee. I heard Schreger

1043
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: talking about that this is his Ernie Adams.

1044
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 1: There's only one.

1045
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: Come on, now, you can't be dropping in there.

1046
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: We love you dregs, but that's bold.

1047
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: Now what do you think a good year is for

1048
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 2: Drake May?

1049
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:35,479
Speaker 1: Okay, so I think the basic standard is year two,

1050
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: year two. First year, you got to show some potential,

1051
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: which he did. Second year, you got to show some

1052
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: significant improvement. Obviously we all love him to be, you know,

1053
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: championship level quarterback, but you've really got to show some

1054
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: real significant improvement. Third year, you got to be a player.

1055
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: I mean, a guy who can go out and you

1056
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: know when when the championships on the line, you know

1057
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: you're you're you're ready to go. So he's clearly showing potential.

1058
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: I mean he's got to. You know, we got to

1059
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: see some real progress here. And what's progress look like?

1060
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: You know, all the little things like I would say,

1061
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: just watching him, he has a little bit of a

1062
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: tendency step up in the pocket, tucket and run and

1063
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: so step up, keep his eyes downfield, throw to complete

1064
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: the pass for fifteen yards. I would much rather have

1065
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: the quarterback complete a pass for fifteen yards than try

1066
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: to run for fifteen yards. If you want to run

1067
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: for fifteen yards, give it a Henderson or Stevenson. But

1068
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks there will throw the ball, so you know,

1069
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: keep your eyes downfield, try to complete the pass. If

1070
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: there's nothing there, you know, the then then you got

1071
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: to run. But it's just all the processing things. You know, faster,

1072
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: no one when you know when you run the sixty

1073
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: four special, why shout a cross X on the income.

1074
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 1: You got to be able to see, hey, in two steps,

1075
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: my extra is going to come open, no comings to

1076
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: Can I hang with him for the extra half second

1077
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: or not? Which is? That was something like Tom was

1078
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: always a mass druff. He always knew where his outlet was,

1079
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: always knew where his outlet was, so we could hang, hang, hang,

1080
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: last second, go to the outlet. You know. No, he

1081
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: had a real good sense of the timing of the play.

1082
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 6: You know.

1083
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,439
Speaker 1: You say, he's got to have a clock in his head.

1084
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 1: The processing, the processing which is and you know it's

1085
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: really fast. There's bad guys come and trying to hit you.

1086
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: So I mean, it's it's like what I've told a

1087
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: couple of young quarterbacks. I don't know if you've ever

1088
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: watched on if I mentioned the network ESPN, they do

1089
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: Formula one, you know, with the camera right over the

1090
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 1: driver's shoulder. That's really good for a quarterback to watch

1091
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: because that's how fast you got to play. I mean,

1092
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: those drivers, you know, there's no think about it. You

1093
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: just you just got to do it. And that's that's

1094
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: how you got to play quarterback. Yeah, to try watching

1095
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: the Formula one and check that, you know, check that

1096
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: out for that.

1097
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 2: Well, we watched NASCAR last night to determine on our

1098
00:55:58,960 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 2: fantasy draft.

1099
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: And okay, I'm a Formula one guy, you know, not Mascar.

1100
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: But why because they actually have to make right turns.

1101
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 2: But all they got to do is win the poll

1102
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: ar and any no one ever passes each other.

1103
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: You know what. But it's still just there's there is

1104
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: actually you know, I actually there's some real and I

1105
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: understand having the right tires and all that, but it's just,

1106
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: you know, the courses are so much more interesting. This

1107
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: is a new movie with Brad Pitton. F One have Not.

1108
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna hate it.

1109
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: I think you should take Christine to see it. Okay,

1110
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: get a popcorn on me.

1111
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: Like I don't watch it every but every time I do.

1112
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. Hey, this this is the fur quarterback.

1113
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: You gotta be you gotta be playing. You gotta be

1114
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: processing information as fast as that driver's processing it. Yeah,

1115
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: you really do.

1116
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: Because second drop, you're looking at the safeties on that

1117
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 2: special and that safety drops into cover too, then you

1118
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 2: know you gotta get backsided the high level, right, I mean,

1119
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: and that's the shallow to that incut. So if that

1120
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: linebacker goes with that shallow, you better bang that incut

1121
00:56:58,680 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 2: in and you.

1122
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: Can and you and you have the hole is going

1123
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: to be small. You can't have any hesitation. I mean,

1124
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: you don't get a second look, no, see it and

1125
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: throw it and that and that's a big That's what

1126
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: really differentiates you know, quarterbacks.

1127
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: So Drake May has to be able to process faster.

1128
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 2: That would be a successful year.

1129
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: The faster he can process, the better he's going to play.

1130
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: And if you know that, yeah, that would be that

1131
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: would get him going towards a successful year. I mean

1132
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: everything else that comes with it.

1133
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: But you think Josh would be good for him, Yeah.

1134
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: I mean I think Josh look, a good coach can

1135
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: help a player. And that's what I think. To me,

1136
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: I think the coach. Players look at a coach and

1137
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: can this guy help me play better or not. If

1138
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: the answer is yes, the player will listen to the coach.

1139
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: If the answer is no, forget it now.

1140
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 2: I know you haven't been watching this team as deep

1141
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: as Ernie does, But what would you think the identity

1142
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: of this team would be knowing that coach Rabel is

1143
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: the head coach?

1144
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: Well, so, my, my coach Rabel. What I remember, apart

1145
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: from all the great plays, was the first game of

1146
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: the two thousand and eight season. Okay, remember that. Remember

1147
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: what happened. Tom hurt his knee, So we all knew

1148
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: coming in after the game, I think every Okay, Brady

1149
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: heard his knee. He's out for the season. And as

1150
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: as my I'm standing in the locker him, there's Mike

1151
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: Frable comes. Okay, boys, we're going to have a little

1152
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: different brand of football. And that's you know, Mike a

1153
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: run the ball and play defensive. That is so deep.

1154
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I just know what Mike. That is so

1155
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: deep in his is his soul. That's not going to change. Yes,

1156
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: he understands you throw the ball, but he's a he's

1157
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: a defensive guy, and it's the running game. It's defense.

1158
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: That's the heart of it. That's what he loved having. Uh.

1159
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: You know, Henry is his back at Tennessee and just

1160
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: pound that pounded, pound pounded.

1161
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's his Daylon Lewis tooley for a year. Remember

1162
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 2: he's still dealing from.

1163
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: Us this sol. But I mean, to me, what's their

1164
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: identity going to be? That's that's going to be.

1165
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: You control the game. It's more of a controlling style

1166
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: of the game, right.

1167
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: Well, but but the thing you get into the NFL,

1168
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: uh when when I mean you run the ball to

1169
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: control the tempo, you throw the ball to ring the

1170
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: cash register, yep, and that so you get you know,

1171
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: I mean, sooner or later, you got to be able

1172
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: to do You've got to be if you're a running team, great,

1173
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to throw it enough, particularly

1174
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: when you need to, you know, to be effective. I

1175
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: mean that's I mean, that's really like Lamar Jackson's NFL

1176
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: MVP and all that. But you know, when it's third

1177
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: and fifteen of the fourth quarter of the championship game,

1178
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 1: is he is you know, how good is he really

1179
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: going back and making the throw to pick it out?

1180
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: He's going to hit some of them. He might I've

1181
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: hid enough of them to win a championship, I'm not

1182
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: sure as opposed to you know, take the extreme case.

1183
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: You know, you're down twenty eight three with two twelve

1184
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: to go in in the third quarter of the Super Bowl.

1185
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: Everybody in the world knows, you got to throw the ball.

1186
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, And that was always my standard

1187
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: for quarterback in the NFL. What you really want is

1188
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: someone who can win the game throw in the football

1189
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: because he's the only guy in the field who can

1190
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,959
Speaker 1: do that. And that's uh, I mean, I know people

1191
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: don't running. Hey, running quarterbacks are great. Tired to be

1192
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,919
Speaker 1: a running quarterback much past age twenty eighth, I mean really,

1193
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: you know.

1194
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: For eighteen games, for seventeen games.

1195
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: Right right, I mean, so you know you you gotta

1196
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: be Hey, everything's on the line. It's third and third

1197
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: and seventeen. We got to pick it up. I gotta

1198
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: throw it. It's gonna be a small window. I gotta

1199
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: make a good decision, make the throw, you know, execute

1200
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: the play all right.

1201
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: But lastly, before we get into this game, we got

1202
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 2: to jump into it. You've been watching the acc it

1203
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 2: all little headlines here and there. You got any projects

1204
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: from over there or anything.

1205
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: No, I'm I'm an interested fan. I will be watching, uh,

1206
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: watching next weekend when they play TCU. You know, not

1207
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: not sure what I'm going to see, just you know, briefly, briefly.

1208
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: I think they're working hard. He's not sure really what

1209
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna I mean, after half a century in the NFL,

1210
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: it's different going to college. I'm sure. I'm sure it's

1211
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: gonna be. I'm sure he's gonna be very interested to

1212
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: see the game too. You know, I think I know

1213
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: he's got their organized, They got the kids working hard.

1214
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: The college football is nuts. I mean this this is

1215
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: the wild West with the emphasis on wild.

1216
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: You got to recruit your players twice here.

1217
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: And it's like the NFL free agency with no contracts.

1218
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: I come for you and check it out for a

1219
01:01:58,480 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: month in the spring. I don't like it.

1220
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 2: Go somewhere out it's crazy. Wait, wit about Billy Oh?

1221
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 2: Have you you ever talked to Billy Billy Oh?

1222
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: I've actually I've I went over watched a couple of

1223
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: spring practices this year. You know they've got uh, I'm

1224
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: gonna be a good solid team. Can they take over

1225
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: the you know, win the a c C. You know,

1226
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: that's what that's that's what he's building for. Yeah, I mean,

1227
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: they the organized practices, they're you know, they're getting a

1228
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: lot done. But but again it's so it's it's it's

1229
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: college football is crazy.

1230
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 2: So who do you who do you root for?

1231
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: When Boston College plays North Carolina? They're not on the

1232
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 1: schedule this year.

1233
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 2: You could have just said, Bill, I.

1234
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: My thing. When I'm watching a game, I root for

1235
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: my friends. Like if I watch the Chiefs, I want

1236
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, I vote for the Chiefs because I love

1237
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: Brendan Daily. Okay, so he's, uh, if I got two

1238
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: of my friends coaching, I just let's have a good game.

1239
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 2: Let's have a good game. Let's have great execution, no fumbals,

1240
01:02:59,320 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 2: no turnovers.

1241
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: Take care, take care of the football, don't be offside,

1242
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, don't do stupid things. You know, I mean

1243
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: our mantra. I had a sign, a sign in my office.

1244
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: Was my mantra for about fifteen years. Stamp out bad.

1245
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: Football, Stamp it out of mission.

1246
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: Bad football kills you. What's bad football? Being off sides

1247
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: on fourth and four and you're the part return team

1248
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: that is really bad bad football? You know, it's always

1249
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: it's all the don't see the kick being off, hitting

1250
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: the guy's second, don't block somebody in the back, rough

1251
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: the kicker because you jumped up in the air left,

1252
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, left your feet. Uh. One of my real

1253
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: pet peeves, which Julie I know in your rookie year,

1254
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: I think we had a conversation about this signal for

1255
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: a fair catch and don't catch the ball.

1256
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he hates it because you can't hit him.

1257
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: Well, No, the reason is a returning You don't signal

1258
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: for a fair catch and then not catch it. As

1259
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: soon as you signal for a fair catch, the cover

1260
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: guys can run around behind you and play the ball.

1261
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: If they don't know if you're catching or not, they

1262
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: have to respect you. So if you're not going to

1263
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: catch it, fake the catch and let it hit the ground.

1264
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: Once you signal a fair catch, you're making it easy

1265
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: for the coverage guys to play the ball. And that's

1266
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's just all those little details that when

1267
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: they happen in a big game, become big deals. That

1268
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: was my first year I didn't fair catch.

1269
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 2: After that, we'll be right back after this quick break.

1270
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,959
Speaker 2: Let's go back to February first two thousand and four

1271
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 2: where this game took place, and go over some of

1272
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 2: the pop culture earned Dog. Have you ever seen You

1273
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 2: Got Served?

1274
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: Nope?

1275
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 2: Dance movie, Nope, it's pretty good. Oh yeah, by Outcast, Nope, nope.

1276
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 2: You saw a Miracle the Hockey movie?

1277
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, we've seen that. Brooks. Did you ever

1278
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: talk with her? Brooks? No?

1279
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 2: You know any hockey guys.

1280
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: You know, I grew up with a lot of people

1281
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: who you know, play played hockey. Did you know I

1282
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: was not? Yeah? I had my grade school hockey team.

1283
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: There were like seven kids who went on by college

1284
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: hockey and I could barely skate, so that was kind

1285
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: of a mismatch.

1286
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so no hockey, no hockey super Bowl champions This

1287
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 2: year with the New England Patriots m v P was

1288
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning and Steve McNair. What do you we're getting

1289
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 2: co m vps? What do you think about that?

1290
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: That's the most valuable player? Implies one.

1291
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 2: Okay, may may do you pick that year? I know

1292
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 2: you know him both, and you know both of these guys.

1293
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. I mean we had Steve McNair. We

1294
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: had a phenomenal game in October and then we played

1295
01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: them in really the coldest game I ever been part

1296
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: of the division playoff, and that that they were. They

1297
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: were tough. That was a tough team to play against.

1298
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: You know, Peyton Manning was Peyton Manning. I mean he was.

1299
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: He was great. We he brought him back from big

1300
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: comeback in the regular season. We stopped him on the

1301
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: last play of the game. As they said before, they

1302
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: we were in goal line defense. They were spread out.

1303
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: They tried to run the ball. Willie massacred edgri and

1304
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: James three yards in the backfield. That's why, I'll say

1305
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: it again, That's that's why when the Seahawks are spread out,

1306
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: if they'd handed the ball off to uh to Lynch,

1307
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: we had hit him three We had somebody hit him three.

1308
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 2: Yards and three yards. People don't understand that. Yeah, they

1309
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: think that.

1310
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean, look, if you want to run the ball

1311
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: the Marshall Lynch get you know, get people in there.

1312
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: We can cover up your edges and run it. Yeah.

1313
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 2: L s U national champion.

1314
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: Nick Saban.

1315
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 2: Now you think coach Saban is going to return to

1316
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 2: the pros No.

1317
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,919
Speaker 1: I think Nick. You know, Nick loves college football. When

1318
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: we got to Cleveland, our first four years, Nick was

1319
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: our defensive coordinating But when Nick came he told Bill

1320
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: what he really wanted to do was be a head

1321
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: coach a major college. So, you know, Bill was totally

1322
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: fine with that. Uh. Like after our fourth year, Nick

1323
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: left the went to Michigan State. You know, we knew

1324
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: that that's that's you know that that's that's what Nick wanted.

1325
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 1: I think he was much more comfortable. He'd had won

1326
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: the national championship at l s U did two years

1327
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: two years at the Dolphins. Things probably would have been

1328
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: a little bit different if he'd gotten Drew Brees as

1329
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: a free agent, but but he didn't. But I think

1330
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: he was just more more comfortable being in a college environment.

1331
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: What was his strength as a coach?

1332
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: Uh? Very Look, all human beings are different, similar in

1333
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: a lot of ways to Bill detail or he know

1334
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: the game backwards and forwards, very demanding, you know, demanding

1335
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: of the players. You know, wasn't going to take you know,

1336
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: any kind of anything sloppy, you know, just just wasn't

1337
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 1: going to fly with him.

1338
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 2: What's the difference between him building as coaches?

1339
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: They're very similar. I mean, you know they're different. Yeah,

1340
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: you knows, different personalities. I mean, like like Nick always

1341
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: had the Kentucky Derby. He always had the big poker poker,

1342
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 1: poker game at his house.

1343
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 2: You know, very who's at that poker game.

1344
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: Most of the most of the staff. Are you in there? Yeah?

1345
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: What game?

1346
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 2: Were talking here? We talk in Texas? Hold them seven

1347
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 2: card study more.

1348
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 1: More probably seven cards study. And I had one person

1349
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going to mention at the table because he's

1350
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: still he's you know, he's still in the league. He

1351
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: didn't think I have a bluffed. I bluffed him. You

1352
01:08:55,880 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: just see the look on his face. Well, I'll.

1353
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 2: But uh, all right, were you a good poker player,

1354
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 2: I you know, you would think that you would be

1355
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 2: probably pretty great numbers.

1356
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: I have I haven't played I've played poker in my life.

1357
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,799
Speaker 1: I'm not a I have a I haven't played poker

1358
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 1: in forever. Yeah. What was Ernie doing in two thousand

1359
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: and four earlier that well, I'll tell you what I

1360
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: was trying to get get get ready to win win

1361
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: three playoff games.

1362
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 2: Now, how were you different than the two thousand and

1363
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 2: one you know we had?

1364
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: We were we were a little better known. I mean

1365
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: this team, I mean we had a real butt kicking defense,

1366
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: I mean this was I mean I go watch our teams,

1367
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, three and o four. You know, if I

1368
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: ever see you know, see that, I see a few plays,

1369
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: I say, damn, we were really good on defense. I

1370
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: mean this was a dominating uh, a dominating bunch.

1371
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 2: Let's jump into the Carolina Panthers and then we'll get

1372
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 2: up in and we'll start talking Patriots, jump into the

1373
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 2: jack break down these Carolina Panthers.

1374
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 3: Let's get on these Panthers. Two years removed from going

1375
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 3: one in fifteen, the last George c for year, John

1376
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 3: Fox comes in and turns his bunch around, goes seven

1377
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 3: and nine. This season, eleven and five make the playoffs

1378
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 3: their second year under John Fox. Jake delloone was at

1379
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 3: the Helm, solid backfield, little thunder and lightning action to

1380
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 3: Shaun Foster, Stephen Davis, you got good receivers out there,

1381
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,839
Speaker 3: Michie Muhammad, Steve Smith, Ricky Proll.

1382
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: Can't go on a Super Bowl without Ricky Pol But

1383
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 1: Muhammad and Smift they're all better than pretty good.

1384
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 3: Ritty a man don't sleep on moose In Smitty pre

1385
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 3: and then on the other side, you go over to

1386
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 3: the defense Hall of Famer Julius Peppers. You got Dan Morgan,

1387
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 3: you got Mike Minter. I mean, you got Ricky Manning

1388
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 3: out here coming off the game of his life.

1389
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: You got Chris Jenkins at defensive Jenkins, who's a big

1390
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: time player. Chris Jenkins. When he came out in the drafts,

1391
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how much time we spent talking

1392
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: about him. So he was some of those guys, you know,

1393
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: we spent hours and hours and hours talking about so

1394
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: some players. He's just okay after the after going through that,

1395
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: I paid particular attention to them.

1396
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, why'd you spend a lot of time talking

1397
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 2: about him?

1398
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: You know, because he was he he he had played

1399
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: at Maryland and was really talented. Which is he really

1400
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: the you know, you know, really the guy we want

1401
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: because he was obviously gonna be a I mean I

1402
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 1: think he went hey and they're going in the second round. Yeah,

1403
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: I mean's just some some players are easy to evaluate.

1404
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: He is gonna he's our you know, he's gonna be

1405
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: a perfect guy for us if we can get him.

1406
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 2: Who's one guy that you you missed on that you

1407
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 2: had thousands of hours of conversations on that you wish

1408
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: you had that turned out to be a great player,

1409
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 2: the one that got away.

1410
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: Earned the one that got away. Uh well, I know,

1411
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: I mean in a way Cleveland. You know, Warren Sapp,

1412
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: Warren Saple.

1413
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 2: Wow, Warren Saples good damn good football player.

1414
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,799
Speaker 1: But you know, Warren Sheepard is a damn good football player.

1415
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: But it was also a case of playing at Tampa

1416
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 1: and being able to play the wide three technique tacackle tackle.

1417
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,759
Speaker 1: So he was playing in a spot that was geared

1418
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, okay, So that and that can make

1419
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: a real you know, you know, I mean some players

1420
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: they get in there playing they playing for a coach

1421
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: in the system that doesn't necessarily fit them just right,

1422
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: and they can't really shine the way that they might

1423
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: someplace like I'll just okay, Joe Montana truly a great player,

1424
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: truly a great player play for Bill Walsh, had a

1425
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: system that was really geared for him. So how you know,

1426
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: what would how would Joe Montana have been the same

1427
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: guy had he gone to you know, the the nineteen

1428
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: seventy nine Seattle Seahawks. Yeah, you know, I mean he

1429
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he was the one big game, big comebacks,

1430
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. He may very well have been, but but

1431
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, getting the right guy clearly in the right spot.

1432
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: You know, the coach, he knows how to utilize him.

1433
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 1: You know, can't really make a difference, that is.

1434
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 2: But you guys, you know you did pick up a

1435
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 2: pretty good d tackle from Miami, thinks Wilfork.

1436
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: No no questions. Yea, they were right, do you the

1437
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: year after and of course you know that that two

1438
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: thousand and one draft all the time because we knew

1439
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: we were gonna want a defensive lineman. We took Seymour.

1440
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: In fact, that was down at the combine. They we

1441
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: we were, I must say, the precipitating factor and getting

1442
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: a change of rule of the combine because you know,

1443
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: you can have a player in your room for an interview.

1444
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: You got for fifteen minutes, the horn goes and you

1445
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,560
Speaker 1: gotta let them go. Well back, this was back a

1446
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: little bit before the day with the seven top defensive linemen.

1447
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 1: We had them all in our room at the same time.

1448
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: We had the doors locked. We had like seven coaches.

1449
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: We go around each other, interview, interview a guy. The

1450
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: players stayed there and they're pounding on the door. Let

1451
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: them out, let them. So so after that they went

1452
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: to the fifteen minute rule. You can only have a player,

1453
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 1: one player in your room for fifteen minutes, and you

1454
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: had to do you.

1455
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 2: Remember the question you asked Richard Seymour.

1456
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of in a fifteen minute interview.

1457
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: A lot of that was before the fifteen minute interviews. Well,

1458
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: but it's still it was still fifteen ish, you know.

1459
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: Tell me about you know, some of the questions we

1460
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 1: asked everybody, tell me about your athletic career. I mean

1461
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 1: we wanted to know what were you all stayed in

1462
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: three sports in high school like a lot of guys were,

1463
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: But you guys knew that well, but I want to

1464
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: hear it from you, hear from here how to go

1465
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 1: for you? What is what were you thinking about? You know,

1466
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 1: why why did you go to Georgia? Who else recruited you?

1467
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 1: You know what what was your thought? Prosure you know

1468
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: and some guys it's hey, coach, everybody in America recruited me.

1469
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: Other guys is yeah, I went to the school there

1470
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: the only school that offered me a scholarship. I mean

1471
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 1: it's you get a lot from that? What do you

1472
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 1: get from that? Just just as this is this is

1473
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 1: just that combine is just kind of an introduction. Yeah,

1474
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 1: there's no way you can think I can go talk

1475
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 1: to someone, what it's fifteen minutes, half an hour and

1476
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: know everything about it. Yeah, I may have a sense, Hey,

1477
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: this guy's an interesting guy, seems like a great guy.

1478
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,560
Speaker 1: You might. Unfortunately, every now and hey, that guy is

1479
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: a jerk. We don't want anything to do with. I mean,

1480
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: some people you just turn you off. Let somebody else

1481
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 1: steal with them.

1482
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 4: In our other show, we spend a lot of time

1483
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 4: asking questions about certain dudes that determine what kind of

1484
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 4: dudes they are. There's a lot of similarities between the

1485
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 4: draft process. Is there a singular question that you think

1486
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 4: is the best identifier on what type of dude someone

1487
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 4: would be?

1488
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: Like asking them in.

1489
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 2: This kind of guy, the guy would be in the

1490
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 2: locker room.

1491
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we try to, but you know a

1492
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: bunch of different ways. Tell me about the toughest situation

1493
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: you've you've ever had to overcome your life. I mean,

1494
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: one thing, dog determine if he's a dog or not. Well,

1495
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 1: one one thing that's really changed is now at least

1496
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: towards you know, I haven't been the combine in five years.

1497
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,879
Speaker 1: Uh was Uh? But the agents would have the players

1498
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: really ready for these questions, so you can kind of

1499
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: tell when you're getting canned the answers. I mean when

1500
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 1: we started it, sometimes the players weren't ready for it.

1501
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: That's what you want, and the guy's not really you know,

1502
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 1: he's just really what she wanted to get a guy

1503
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: where he's answered, you know he's giving you honest coach.

1504
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 2: I just love ball. I just you know, coach, I'll

1505
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 2: do anything you say.

1506
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: Coach, Okay, really, okay, it's.

1507
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 2: Just asked me one question, Like I'm a draft pick

1508
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 2: that's elite at D tackle and all answer.

1509
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 1: It just asked me one let's play? Okay, Uh, And

1510
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 1: you're a really good.

1511
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 2: Player, really good player, probably like the top pick that's

1512
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 2: in the area. You guys could get them, but you

1513
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 2: may have to trade up one pick to get them.

1514
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 1: Okay, tell me why we should pick you, coach.

1515
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:08,759
Speaker 2: I'm six foot four three, I have the best twenty

1516
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 2: in the combine. I had eleven sacks from the three technique.

1517
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:14,640
Speaker 2: That's why you should pick me.

1518
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, have you ever missed a play during a

1519
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 1: game because you were tired?

1520
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 2: Now, Coach, I'm three forty five. I tell you right now,

1521
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 2: in third down, or in a goal line situation, or

1522
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 2: in fourth down or in the red area. I've never

1523
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 2: been tired. Has there been a first down? When there

1524
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 2: garbage time? We're playing Miami Ohio where I looked at

1525
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 2: the coach where I said, hey.

1526
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 1: Well, okay, well Son, we got we got the tape

1527
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: right here, here's you one third and four. It looked

1528
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: like you not right, So tell me about tell me

1529
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 1: about this play well, coach.

1530
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 2: That week, my girlfriend broke up with me.

1531
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 1: I say, hey, hey, you're not the first football player

1532
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 1: ever had a girlfriend break up. What's going to happen

1533
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: to you? If you got someone who's in the NFL,

1534
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 1: who's been you know, thought she had a hooks in

1535
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: you for your money and she breaks up with you,

1536
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: how are you going to react to that?

1537
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough in there. It's tough in there with

1538
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 2: the coaches.

1539
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: What are the unit draft them? Would you draft me? Coach?

1540
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: I have to see your tape for her. I mean, hey,

1541
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 1: you know really but the number one you know, I

1542
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: know one of my favorite people we talked about at

1543
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: great length was Buck o'kilroy and he just said, you know,

1544
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: you know, he's the football philosopher. He said, in the

1545
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 1: National Football League you should not deal in personalities. But

1546
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: nobody needs an asshole on their team. So to me,

1547
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 1: that's always to me is this that hey number one,

1548
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: let's get down there. Is this guy an asshole or

1549
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: what's the story with him?

1550
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,520
Speaker 2: I get it, but there is good assholes.

1551
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: You know, the rarest part of the humans species is

1552
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: an asshole who's worth it. That's just really rare.

1553
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 2: Very rare.

1554
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 3: Shooting stones.

1555
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:11,759
Speaker 2: Get back into the scout report of the Panthers.

1556
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 3: Guys, wait, Ernie, I thought of you today. I saw

1557
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 3: Bucko Killer was getting inducted to the Eagles all the.

1558
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: Fame, well because he was, for all, you know, the

1559
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: football philosopher of this guy. He was a great player

1560
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 1: when he was there. He was a proto type defensive lineman.

1561
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 1: You know, tough guy from Philly. I mean they played

1562
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: without facemasters. Hey, steer that guy over to me. I'll

1563
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: take care.

1564
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 2: Bucco right there.

1565
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 3: I love that.

1566
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 2: Now, Coach, when you you remember scouting this team, what

1567
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 2: were like the three things that you thought they were like?

1568
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 1: All, Dan Henning coach, team is a tough running the ball?

1569
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 2: Was that magazine?

1570
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,600
Speaker 1: Coach? Magazine Dan Bey and the you know, the the

1571
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: offense coach.

1572
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 2: I grew up with Magazine's son, okay, or I grew up.

1573
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,520
Speaker 2: We went to college together, and I remember watching these teams.

1574
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 1: But that you know, they were you know, I mean

1575
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: they got two backs, they ran the wham they run.

1576
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: You know, it's a physical, down downhill running team. You know,

1577
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 1: you know, those receivers were really good, so you got

1578
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 1: explosive passing game. Defense really turned around, getting Peppers and

1579
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: Jenkins up front. I mean that was that was a

1580
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: you know team, speed, hard, physical, really, I mean it

1581
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: was the I love playing against them because that's, you know,

1582
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 1: a lot of ways the kind of team we were

1583
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: trying to be. Yeah, so it's too uh you know,

1584
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:44,759
Speaker 1: similar not identical, but similar teams.

1585
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 2: What do you think of John Fox as a head coach?

1586
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: You know, he was he was great there, Like he

1587
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: took over, he took over a team that was one

1588
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: of fifteen, and they were a bad one of fifteen. Okay,

1589
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't like, yeah, we had six games that were close.

1590
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 1: I mean that that was a bad team. And because

1591
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 1: he's John Is he's very upbeat, positive, you know, get

1592
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 1: get get guys going, get him playing with enthusiasm and

1593
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: then listen, this is a you know, I mean after

1594
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: after I mean really after two yearm that's just as

1595
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: good a turnaround as you Yeah, yeah, you do.

1596
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 2: You remember Dan Morgan on this team.

1597
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 1: Yes, they do. I mean he was, you know, really good,

1598
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, where the one of the great players and

1599
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 1: all those Miami teams, Miami Hurricanes, you know a little easier.

1600
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, he's playing middle linebacker beyond

1601
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: a really good defensive line, very productive, made, you know,

1602
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: made a lot of players. He's very athletic, could run.

1603
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 2: He's their GM. Now what do you think about players

1604
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 2: joined the front office?

1605
01:21:52,479 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 1: Listen, that's great because they have the players perspective. Okay,

1606
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: so so that part of it is terrific. When they

1607
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: get to be a GM. You know, they've a got

1608
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: to be able to put you know, you can't just

1609
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 1: show up pay I played, you know, I could be

1610
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: the GM. I mean, you got all these guys you're

1611
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: talking about signing, Are you really going to study the tape?

1612
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,679
Speaker 1: Not rely on what somebody else tells you they saw

1613
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 1: on the tape. You got to see the tape for yourself,

1614
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 1: so you actually know what you're talking about. But as

1615
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,719
Speaker 1: long as somebody's really you know, put in the work,

1616
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: be smart, try to learn every day.

1617
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 2: Great What made Julius Peppers phenomenal athlete?

1618
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 1: Look, I mean you're talking about you know, football player,

1619
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 1: you know basketball. I mean that's when you know great,

1620
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, great athlete.

1621
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,839
Speaker 2: So you think he's like a basketball player that played football.

1622
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 1: No, he's a great athlete who could play both basketball

1623
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 1: and football. I mean he's he's a football player when

1624
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 1: he's on the football field. He's a basketball player wins

1625
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 1: on a basketball But there are so many obviously he

1626
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,719
Speaker 1: was the first pick in the draft. Not many Julius Peppers,

1627
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: but you know, so many, uh so many of the

1628
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 1: players we talked with. Who are you know? We tell

1629
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: me about your high school career. I was all, stay

1630
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: in three sports. I mean I really and I really

1631
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 1: like I think it's terrible what's going on with so

1632
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: many young kids fourteen years old specializing in one sport. Now,

1633
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 1: I am totally against that. I mean, hey, just be

1634
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: an athlete, go up, you play all the different games.

1635
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 1: You know, don't What.

1636
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 2: Does a multi sport athlete tell you as a talent

1637
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 2: of value.

1638
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 1: Is number number one? You know, this. Hey, he's he's competitive,

1639
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 1: he's good at what he does, athletic skill, he can

1640
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: do a lot, a lot of different things. I mean,

1641
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: if you're you know, think you're going to be fourteen

1642
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 1: years old just specializing one thing, and all your hours

1643
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: of specialization are going to get you a college scholarship. Well,

1644
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 1: actually the kid who's a real good athlete shows up

1645
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: and after three plays, the college coach knows, hey, that's

1646
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 1: the guy I want. I am now a little different.

1647
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 1: You get to be eighteen years you know, eighteen years old,

1648
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: you know you're a high school baseball player. You're kind

1649
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: of like, okay, you may go in the first round

1650
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: of the baseball draft. You know, when you get up

1651
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: your later teen years, there is some special you know,

1652
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 1: specializations going to kick in. But for the young kid,

1653
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: I absolutely hate, you know, thirteen year olds, you know,

1654
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: just do they do nothing three hundred and sixty five

1655
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: days a year but play one sport because they hey,

1656
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: by the time the sixteen, they maybe they're so sick

1657
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: of it. Turned out, I don't ever want to do

1658
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 1: this again.

1659
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 2: I was like one of the last three sport athletes

1660
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,799
Speaker 2: like in my community. And then then he started changing

1661
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 2: into this and specialized, right.

1662
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And a lot of it's because parents and all.

1663
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of money, now coch, there's

1664
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of money. But I'll say it again.

1665
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 1: The guys who you know, Hey, look, you can go

1666
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: out you see a hundred kids and you see him

1667
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 1: running around playing kids. You can usually pick out, Hey,

1668
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,640
Speaker 1: that's the guy right there. I don't care what the

1669
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 1: game is, that's my guy right there. And that's you know, inevitably.

1670
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: Now also understanding the kids develop in high school. You

1671
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 1: may be fourteen years old, you may be five to seven,

1672
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 1: and you may be graduated from show year six four.

1673
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean those so kids develop at different speeds, but

1674
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 1: don't try don't try to stuff them in the you know,

1675
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: a little box, you know when they're when when they're

1676
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 1: too young. I'm I'm up on my shot box on that.

1677
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 1: But I really feel strongly about it. I get it.

1678
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 1: I get it. So Julius Peppers, he's a great athlete

1679
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 1: to play.

1680
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 2: You know, we call him a freak, and he's a

1681
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 2: freak of a fan athlete, right.

1682
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: You know, there are very many of them, but when

1683
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:43,759
Speaker 1: you see one.

1684
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, that's exactly how you define a freak

1685
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 2: on dudes. On Dudes, Steve Smith Senior told us that

1686
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 2: he almost became a Patriot.

1687
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 1: Do you remember that. I know we were really you know,

1688
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly what you we were really interested

1689
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:01,719
Speaker 1: in him with you know, we thought it was terrific.

1690
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 1: We would love to have had him. And yeah, I

1691
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 1: mean sometimes he's just like later in his career when

1692
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 1: Julius Beppers was a free agent. I can't tell you

1693
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: what year this was. You know, Bill was right, yeah, hey,

1694
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 1: we should really think about signing this guy, you know,

1695
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: and you know, unfortunately we you know, we did.

1696
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, without a doubt. Let's jump into the Patriots, Jack,

1697
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 2: Let's go.

1698
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 3: And let's get into these fourteen and two Patriots year

1699
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 3: under Bill Belichick. Charlie Whites leading the offense, Romeo Crenell

1700
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 3: leading the defense, coming off a nine and seven year

1701
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 3: what they missed the playoffs the season before, won the

1702
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, of course, beat the Greatest Show on Turf.

1703
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 3: Released Lawyer Maloy five days prior to the season. That

1704
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 3: was a big early storyline drop week one to Buffalo

1705
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 3: coincidentally signed Rodney Offs thirty one.

1706
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:52,560
Speaker 1: Nothing may well, by the way, I just left. You know,

1707
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,839
Speaker 1: the last game of the regular season, we beat Buffalo

1708
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 1: thirty one nothing just saying full circle, full circle the game.

1709
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 1: So we lost to them and ended up with us

1710
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 1: down on the goal line. The last game ended up

1711
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 1: with them down the goal and Larryzel made the big

1712
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:08,440
Speaker 1: players preserve the shutout.

1713
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 2: There we go is how'd the locker room take that?

1714
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 1: Some guys were a little shocked, but you know it was.

1715
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the unfortunate in a lot of ways, unfortunately,

1716
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 1: some of the some business decisions that get brought in

1717
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison brought in Rodney who I mean, I was

1718
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 1: a huge advocate for signing Rodney. He came in and

1719
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 1: I remember our friend who was out the Chargers say,

1720
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: how's Rodney doing for you? And I was honest with them.

1721
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: I said, he's the best safety in football, So he's

1722
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:42,839
Speaker 1: pretty well for us.

1723
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 3: And speaking of Rodney, we got a shout out. This

1724
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 3: defense gave up a league low fourteen point nine points

1725
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 3: per game.

1726
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 1: Hey, this was a butt kicking defense. Why well, just

1727
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 1: look we got We're a thirty four front. I got

1728
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:00,719
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel and William McGinnis on the edge. We got Washington,

1729
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 1: Richard Seymour and Bobby Hamilton on the front. He got

1730
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 1: you know, inside backers. You got Ted Johnson, Roman fight

1731
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 1: for Teddy Bruski. You know you got Tylaw out of

1732
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 1: a corner, Rodney Harrison and strong safety. I mean this

1733
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 1: is look, move this This bunch means business. You know,

1734
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 1: physical dominating, and we had real complimentary skills. For instance,

1735
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 1: if you were in if we're in our thirty four,

1736
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 1: Eugene Wilson was basically a corner type player who we

1737
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 1: put at week safety. So if you were in a

1738
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 1: like these guys did a lot regular people. She had

1739
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: two backs in the tight end. Rodney Harrison was on

1740
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 1: your tight end and Eugene Wilson's back at week safety.

1741
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: If they came in with eleven personnel, three wide receivers, well,

1742
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 1: Gino went up and covered the slot receiver man the man.

1743
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: Rodney dropped back the week safety so we could handle.

1744
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 1: You know, we had blood of flexibility, and then we

1745
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 1: had what we loved was tie and let we played

1746
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 1: cover two rather than you go out corner and Ty

1747
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 1: would be a safety. Now you talk about a corner

1748
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 1: force in the run, well, it's one thing of it's

1749
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: a corner it's another thing. I it's Rodney Harrison. Yeah, So,

1750
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean it was just a physical, dominating group.

1751
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:20,599
Speaker 2: Now, what was the difference between these generation Pats and

1752
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 2: the generation Pats that I played?

1753
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 1: We were probably okay, the biggest one was offensively we

1754
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: were good, but we did we put the rocket fuel

1755
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 1: in our offense when we got Randy Mars and West

1756
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 1: Walker that two thousand and seven we were like, we

1757
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,599
Speaker 1: were a good offensive team. We became in two thousand

1758
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,440
Speaker 1: and seven. We went on for about twelve years realistically

1759
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 1: the best offensive football. Okay, we weren't quite there on

1760
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 1: offense at that stage. It's also this is Tom playing

1761
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,839
Speaker 1: his third season as a starting quarterback versus his fifteenth

1762
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 1: year as a starting quarterback. I mean that really makes it.

1763
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 1: It makes it makes a lot of difference. So defensively,

1764
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 1: are three and oh four teams were the best defenses

1765
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 1: we had. I mean, these are the guys. They're just

1766
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 1: going to go out they they're going to kick everybody's ass,

1767
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 1: shut them down, and uh, they were a dominant group.

1768
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 2: I just don't understand how you guys did make the

1769
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 2: playoffs the year before and then you got so.

1770
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 1: There were a lot you know, number one. We didn't

1771
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 1: really you can talk to a team about what it

1772
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 1: takes to repeat as Super Bowl champs. Uh, that doesn't

1773
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: mean you're going to necessarily get it done. You know,

1774
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 1: the team that wins the Super Bowl, they're season is

1775
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 1: a month longer and everybody's else, so they're off season.

1776
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 1: You know. It's just it's almost like you don't have

1777
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 1: an off season. But if you're not, you just before

1778
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 1: you know, hey, it's ready to go for training camp.

1779
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: Are you really as sharp as you were last year?

1780
01:30:57,439 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: Are you healthy? Are you healthy? Right?

1781
01:30:59,320 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 2: Right?

1782
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:03,240
Speaker 1: Right right, it's it's your your your recovery time is shorter,

1783
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 1: you know, so that I mean, the difference betweenning and

1784
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 1: losing is so small. You know, we were uh, you know,

1785
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 1: just just a lot just didn't quite have our edge. Yeah.

1786
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 1: It's tough.

1787
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's probably you guys were you know, still

1788
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 2: younger on the offensive side of.

1789
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 1: The ball, right, yeah, I know, this is I mean.

1790
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:27,679
Speaker 2: They know how to handle success.

1791
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: Maybe they're definitely part of it. And you know we

1792
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 1: we have we as a franchise and a team, I mean,

1793
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 1: we evolved as we went I mean the team, you know,

1794
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 1: even as coaches, I mean we had a much better sense,

1795
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, after you know, what we needed to do

1796
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 1: after we won a championship as far as getting a

1797
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 1: team ready for for the next year.

1798
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 6: You know.

1799
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 2: It's that's why it was so impressive last year with

1800
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:57,679
Speaker 2: the Chiefs. I mean, to get to the Super Bowl

1801
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 2: after going back to back, like I thought, that was

1802
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes' like most impressive year. Everyone says he was

1803
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 2: had a down year. He had no receivers, the line

1804
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 2: was band taped together. He was still winning football.

1805
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 1: Game, right, I mean you know you watch that Super

1806
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 1: Bowl and those defensive ends are meeting at the quarterback

1807
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 1: that wasn't even closed. Well, I mean they they got crushed. Yeah,

1808
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,720
Speaker 1: I mean that was not you know, they they were

1809
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 1: not competitive.

1810
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 2: For four guys. Yeah, and then you just put everyone

1811
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 2: in the back.

1812
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 1: Okay, but you know, but that's so the Chiefs have lost.

1813
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 1: They've lost two Super Bowls in the last five years,

1814
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:39,759
Speaker 1: and the common factories in both of them, their offensive

1815
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 1: line was just beat you know, it was hurt, beat up,

1816
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 1: and you know.

1817
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 2: Which people don't understand. That's understandable going into your third

1818
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 2: Super Bowl in a year, or a third in a

1819
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 2: row super Bowl like Ernie just said, I mean, you

1820
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 2: have shorter offseason, it's harder to keep the guys motivated.

1821
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 1: You know.

1822
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 2: That's that's a lot to get to a third super Bowl.

1823
01:32:58,400 --> 01:32:59,839
Speaker 2: I think that was insane.

1824
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 1: That's when I remember listening, you know, when when the Chiefs.

1825
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 1: I listened to the TV people. I think the Chiefs

1826
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: won their first two pop and they said, well they

1827
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 1: can go win three or four, and you know, yeah,

1828
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 1: it is so incredibly hard to win one. Just it's

1829
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 1: unbelievably hard. I mean, you you've got to go out

1830
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 1: and beat the best teams.

1831
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 2: It's and a lot of it is just like when

1832
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 2: you when you sustained success for a long time, Like

1833
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 2: our best teams on my my generation there we didn't

1834
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 2: even win, like we we got unhealthy at the like

1835
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 2: the wrong time. So well, like we were like in fifteen,

1836
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 2: we started out hot.

1837
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 1: Over the course of our team, really I went into

1838
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:53,639
Speaker 1: every game I think we're gonna win. Yeah, I mean

1839
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 1: I was never I never went in the game. We're

1840
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 1: in trouble. Except for the AFC Championship game in twenty fifteen.

1841
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 1: Run off that field, we were so oh lord, we

1842
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 1: are nmnate soldier.

1843
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 2: We were really banged up at tackle.

1844
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I mean it was we were it

1845
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 1: was like the walking wounded and we gotta go out,

1846
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta go out and play in Denver.

1847
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's just I really, we're probably in trouble here.

1848
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 2: That's when we had to put the double Denver in

1849
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:26,800
Speaker 2: because Von Miller was in the backfield before we even

1850
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

1851
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:31,640
Speaker 1: Holy shit, how did you get up?

1852
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 2: Let of scrimmage? I see von Miller?

1853
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 1: Tom, Yeah, I mean so yeah. I mean, hey, football,

1854
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 1: it's a nasty game, and stuff like that does happen.

1855
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 2: It does happen, Jackie. Let's jump into the game lead up.

1856
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 2: Let's get into the lead up of this game.

1857
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 3: The Panthers responded from a late three games kid win

1858
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 3: their last three win the NFC South, notably, go into Philly,

1859
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 3: pick off don to McNabb three times, Ricky Manny alone,

1860
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:00,519
Speaker 3: that was a Ricky Manning three interception game. Over in

1861
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:03,759
Speaker 3: the AFC Patriots, of course, we're on their win streak.

1862
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 3: Won the AFC East, win the AFC number one seed,

1863
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 3: go uh Peyton Manning comes into Foxboro. We got the

1864
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 3: tie lag game. I thought the law and the Law

1865
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 3: won three interceptions, pick off Peyton Manning four times. Win

1866
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 3: that win twenty four to fourteen just one of the

1867
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 3: all time tie law defensive performances.

1868
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 2: Was that an all time performance by the defense in

1869
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 2: the championship game?

1870
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 1: Yes, against the Colts, Yeah it was, But truly it's

1871
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 1: the way we played defense. Oh yeah, I mean this

1872
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 1: was you know, we were really good at defense. Tylas

1873
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 1: so good that game. Yeah, we're I mean ty is

1874
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 1: a wonderful personality for a defensive back. Loud I love him. Okay,

1875
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 1: some people think he's, you know, a little brash, which

1876
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 1: he is, but you gotta have that to play corner. Well,

1877
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm Tyler. What's the get out here? You know? This

1878
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 1: is what you know? I mean, you you need that.

1879
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 1: The defenses out there's quiet, studious types. That just doesn't work.

1880
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 2: No, you know, you need your corner. If you have

1881
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 2: an all time corner, they need to say their name

1882
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 2: in the third person. And that's like Dion used to

1883
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:24,599
Speaker 2: do it. I mean all the greats use their name

1884
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 2: in thirds. Now, before this game, what was like the

1885
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 2: what was the thing to the team? Well, we what

1886
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 2: do we have to do to win? We just had

1887
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 2: to stop the run game, not.

1888
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:40,760
Speaker 1: Turn the ball over. Stop the scoring in the red area,

1889
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:46,440
Speaker 1: convert third downs, stop the run, contain their wide receivers.

1890
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 2: Which is tough because they ran so well. And then

1891
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 2: you get matchup, great matchup one on ones and outside.

1892
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 1: This is like I said, people always say, well, nobody

1893
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 1: wants to play this team in the Super in the playffs.

1894
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:03,479
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to play that team in the PLAYFFS. I mean,

1895
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 1: this is just crazy. If you actually will win the playoffs,

1896
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 1: you're going to have to beat the best teams. So

1897
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 1: bring them on and let's go. If you know, if

1898
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:13,760
Speaker 1: we're afraid to play in the best teams, you know

1899
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 1: we're not going to get there anyway. There's no secret

1900
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 1: number you can call up. Would you send me a

1901
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:21,599
Speaker 1: bad team for the Super Bowl? It doesn't happen.

1902
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 2: So that was the storylines going into this game, that

1903
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 2: this was a red hot, freaking Panthers team that was

1904
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 2: not beatable.

1905
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I mean, Hey, they were red hot.

1906
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 1: We were red hot. You get to that game. For

1907
01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 1: the most part, everybody's beatable. It's just it's sixty minutes

1908
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:40,200
Speaker 1: to play for a championship. You know who's you know,

1909
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 1: who's better in that sixty minutes it's like you know,

1910
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 1: it's like Bill Woods, I know you heard this as

1911
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:49,120
Speaker 1: a player. Let's say fuls. I don't need it in

1912
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 1: the middle of February. I need your best right now.

1913
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:55,479
Speaker 1: It's everything you know it'll be. I need everything you

1914
01:37:55,600 --> 01:38:00,640
Speaker 1: got right now, right now. And that was, uh, you know,

1915
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 1: if you remember, I'm gonna jump ahead a couple about

1916
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 1: a decade when we went over get me to go

1917
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:10,600
Speaker 1: play the Falcons in the Super Bowl. We had the

1918
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 1: last set, we had the meeting and then we walked

1919
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:15,599
Speaker 1: right out of the meetium on the bus and we'll

1920
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:18,360
Speaker 1: go play the game. And Bill said, I want every

1921
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 1: person in this room to know I picked you to

1922
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 1: be on this team to win games like this. You know,

1923
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:27,599
Speaker 1: I know you're going to show up. You're gonna give

1924
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 1: me everything you got. And hey, look, we're going to

1925
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 1: play the best football we can. If the other team

1926
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 1: is better, we lose. I mean, you know that's I

1927
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, we understand that completely. But we're going to

1928
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 1: show up and give it our best, you know, when

1929
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,639
Speaker 1: it counts, and hopefully it's good enough.

1930
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Speaker 2: That's all you can do.

1931
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Speaker 1: That's that's that's it, right.

1932
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Speaker 2: How about this lineup for the coin toss, you had

1933
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Speaker 2: Why Tittle, Earl Campbell, Dom Mayniard, Gen Upshaw, Mike Singletary,

1934
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:56,679
Speaker 2: Olie Mattson.

1935
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 1: You know, I actually so, I just want I watched

1936
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Speaker 1: the full uh the fact that the first time I

1937
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 1: actually watched the full TV broadcast, Okay, and I saw

1938
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 1: these Yeah, yeah, so I saw you know, I mean,

1939
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean I remember hy being ten years old watching

1940
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:16,640
Speaker 1: ya tail for five touchdown passes every week for the

1941
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:18,160
Speaker 1: New York Giants. Yeah.

1942
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, was that your favorite football player?

1943
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:22,679
Speaker 1: Yeah? He was so you know, I mean he yeah,

1944
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:23,680
Speaker 1: he won of them, but he.

1945
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:26,639
Speaker 2: Was any funny why tittles.

1946
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 1: You know. He he came out so so that was

1947
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: in the early sixties, and then by nineteen seventy nine,

1948
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 1: my first year coach, Enter jihants, why till comes out?

1949
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 1: He comes out to practice. Yeah, and we're watching him.

1950
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:41,679
Speaker 1: You know, he was so smooth. I mean fifty fifty

1951
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 1: seven years old, he was so smooth throwing the ball.

1952
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 2: He's still throwing in fifty seven.

1953
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 1: Yeah no, not not driving an eighteen yard comebacks, but

1954
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:52,840
Speaker 1: you could just just see the throwing motion. Oh that

1955
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:57,599
Speaker 1: guy was good. It's like, you know, we played we

1956
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:02,120
Speaker 1: played down Jacksonville the last him in twenty twelve, and

1957
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:05,920
Speaker 1: Kenny Anderson was their quarterback coach, who might have his

1958
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 1: quarterback mechanics were as good as anybody's. And he's out

1959
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: there warming up with the receiver is watching him. I

1960
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 1: told that corpse say watch that guy. Now, that guy

1961
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:17,000
Speaker 1: can throw it. Thank you.

1962
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:21,280
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this quick break. Give us

1963
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:22,599
Speaker 2: his game breakdown, Jackie.

1964
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 3: So the first quarter, we alluded to this a little

1965
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:28,639
Speaker 3: bit earlier, defense shined led the way. Twenty one offensive

1966
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:33,639
Speaker 3: plays for Carolina minus seven dods total, scoreless. First quarter.

1967
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:37,120
Speaker 3: Adam Vinnitii notably misses a thirty one yard field goal

1968
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 3: on the Patriots first offensive drive. We get to the

1969
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 3: second quarter, miss is another one thirty eight yards blocked.

1970
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,480
Speaker 3: Then we fast forward a little bit. The Rabel stripsack

1971
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:49,880
Speaker 3: leads to a touchdown, and that's kind of when the

1972
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 3: floodgates start opening twenty four points scored in the last

1973
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:54,679
Speaker 3: three minutes of the half. He got Brady to branch

1974
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:58,640
Speaker 3: Jake Fine Steve on a thirty nine yarder and then

1975
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:01,320
Speaker 3: Brady the Gibbons and Carolina finishes.

1976
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 1: The half of the field goal.

1977
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:05,680
Speaker 3: So it's fourteen to ten after a scoreless first, Uh,

1978
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:06,880
Speaker 3: taking us into the half.

1979
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:09,599
Speaker 2: Now, what do you think it was about the scoreless first?

1980
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 2: Just the Super Bowl noise and getting used to each other.

1981
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:17,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you know, listen, we got down there,

1982
01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:21,639
Speaker 1: you know, I mean we missed a field goal. It's

1983
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, we got bottled up and

1984
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 1: then just to you know, it exploded.

1985
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 2: Kind of like each team's putting their things to see

1986
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 2: what teams are going to do to their thing. Then

1987
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 2: you make the adjustments. Off the adjustments, I mean, you know,

1988
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 2: feeling it out, but you shouldn't be, but you're kind

1989
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:38,400
Speaker 2: of are.

1990
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1991
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 2: It just because you have two guys. You have two

1992
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:43,880
Speaker 2: weeks to prepare for this thing, right. People don't realize that.

1993
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know listen, you got you have your

1994
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,560
Speaker 1: brilliant game plan. They got their brilliant game plan and

1995
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:51,799
Speaker 1: we put them together and you don't know how it's

1996
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:54,439
Speaker 1: you don't know you know how it's going to work.

1997
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:58,280
Speaker 1: And sometimes you get into these games. One of my

1998
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:01,160
Speaker 1: fun things they did was I always did when we were

1999
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:03,400
Speaker 1: going the playoffs, did little video and I call it

2000
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:06,559
Speaker 1: one play can make a season. And I think it's

2001
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 1: one play in there, like one little one guy getting

2002
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 1: his hand up an extra six inches to block the

2003
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:14,640
Speaker 1: field goal. It's it's somebody doing the little detail that

2004
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 1: can really turn things around. And it's like you've heard

2005
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 1: this one hundred times from Bill Felas. It'd be easy

2006
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:23,720
Speaker 1: if I could tell you before I play, this is

2007
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:25,960
Speaker 1: the play that's going to decide the game. Well, I

2008
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:28,400
Speaker 1: know if I said that, you would absolutely give me

2009
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:30,920
Speaker 1: one hundred percent on that play. But it doesn't work

2010
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:33,080
Speaker 1: that way. You never know when that play is going

2011
01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:34,960
Speaker 1: to be. That's when you got to give one hundred

2012
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 1: percent every play.

2013
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 2: Now, what was the play in this game?

2014
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 1: You know? I mean it might listen either the ones.

2015
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 1: It's as Rabe's getting the strip sack. It's like a

2016
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:51,600
Speaker 1: great job executing a red game when he's coming with

2017
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 1: that little detail. What's a game? A read game is

2018
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 1: when you the outside linebackers coming off the edge with

2019
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:01,920
Speaker 1: the defensive end and you may they may the line

2020
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 1: may fan out to you, or they may not. If

2021
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:08,320
Speaker 1: they fan out to you, then Frabes comes underneath uh

2022
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 1: and and he comes wide open, which is what happened here.

2023
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:13,240
Speaker 1: But it's just doing that, you know, the right at

2024
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:15,719
Speaker 1: the right time and moving there's a there's a big play.

2025
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 1: There's a couple other places in it. Just before we

2026
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:22,760
Speaker 1: went down, we went down the touchdown there where we

2027
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:26,120
Speaker 1: went ahead just to see Tom in the pocket. And

2028
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 1: he never got enough credit for being able just to

2029
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:31,360
Speaker 1: slide away from a guy and make the throw. I mean,

2030
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 1: there's there's like classic shots of him just moving, you know,

2031
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:38,439
Speaker 1: just a little, just a little, just enough, just enough,

2032
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, just enough stick so I can make a

2033
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 1: good throw. I mean it's again, it's you know, in

2034
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 1: these big games. I mean it's it's people doing the

2035
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:49,640
Speaker 1: right things at the right time. And you know, so

2036
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:52,679
Speaker 1: if you don't execute the read game right, you don't

2037
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 1: there's no do overs. I mean it's right, it's now

2038
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 1: we're never so we go into halftime.

2039
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:02,679
Speaker 2: What what's the halftime mantra?

2040
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:06,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's you know, those Super Bowl halftimes are

2041
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 1: so long. It's just really everybody, you know, to take

2042
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,479
Speaker 1: with don't don't get all hyped up here, you know,

2043
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:17,080
Speaker 1: take your time. We could just go play our game.

2044
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:24,200
Speaker 1: There was no you know, really regardless of the game.

2045
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say our halftimes are rather fairly

2046
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:29,600
Speaker 1: common organized. I mean, there was no Bedlom in the

2047
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 1: locker room.

2048
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:33,120
Speaker 2: Was there anything that you remember, like Charlie Weiss saying

2049
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 2: that they had to do to the offense to get

2050
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:37,439
Speaker 2: this thing to break out to you know, scorn.

2051
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's always you know, hey, just you know

2052
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:41,680
Speaker 1: we're doing I mean, at this stage the game, we've

2053
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 1: been playing football for six months. You know, we got

2054
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:47,760
Speaker 1: you know, we've got our office. We've got to just

2055
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:48,720
Speaker 1: go out and execute it.

2056
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:52,120
Speaker 2: You know, Now, what did the Panthers do to change

2057
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:53,799
Speaker 2: on offense to get some points?

2058
01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:56,879
Speaker 1: Well? See the problem, Well we got it to particularly

2059
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 1: at the end there I was talking about our defense

2060
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:01,640
Speaker 1: with a safety. They were both hurt and out of

2061
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 1: the game. We're playing, so we got they got Steven

2062
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 1: Smith and Musha Muhammad. We we got you know, Meyer

2063
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:11,880
Speaker 1: and Aikins. There was a special teams guy playing safety.

2064
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:17,040
Speaker 1: We oh, we got a problem here. So I mean,

2065
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:20,280
Speaker 1: and of course we end up with the game. They

2066
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:23,320
Speaker 1: scored to tie it up and kick it out of bounds,

2067
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:25,920
Speaker 1: so we get the ball on the forty. That the

2068
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:27,559
Speaker 1: play that was huge.

2069
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 2: I got the play you know with Coach Belichick was

2070
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:33,360
Speaker 2: in front of that kicker and he said, this is

2071
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 2: the play that could decide say, hey, listen, do you

2072
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:36,559
Speaker 2: think he would have kicked it out of bounds?

2073
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:39,320
Speaker 1: Probably? I hope, Well, I don't know. I don't know

2074
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:41,640
Speaker 1: sure what he was trying to do, but but I

2075
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:43,760
Speaker 1: know it was a It was a bad kick and

2076
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:46,920
Speaker 1: by a good kicker. But there's no due overs. We

2077
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 1: get the ball in the forty and we got Fanitary

2078
01:45:49,439 --> 01:45:52,080
Speaker 1: over there. So we go get making a few and

2079
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 1: you know, we got first and we got to overcome

2080
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 1: a first and twenty Troy got called for offensive pass interference,

2081
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 1: so a first and we overcome it. You know, Tom

2082
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:03,640
Speaker 1: makes a couple of big, you know, big throat to

2083
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:07,040
Speaker 1: Dian and you know, Minitary we missed too early, but

2084
01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:08,880
Speaker 1: he went and counted and he put it right through

2085
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 1: the middle.

2086
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 2: Now did you guys, you guys had full confidence in

2087
01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:13,200
Speaker 2: at him at that point.

2088
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 1: Totally totally. Yeah. Now listen, you know it's hey, he

2089
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:20,439
Speaker 1: missed it. You know, he's our guy. We want to

2090
01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:22,840
Speaker 1: get him in position, you know, to win the game.

2091
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:26,439
Speaker 1: It's it's like you know that last drive Super Bowl

2092
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:29,679
Speaker 1: thirty six against the Rams. We we got to get

2093
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 1: Adam a chance to win it. Force in regulation, of course,

2094
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 1: I had. It was pretty good. I had up on

2095
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, we had the TV monitor to look at

2096
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 1: for a replace, and I happen to see on the

2097
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:42,960
Speaker 1: TV replay like Autaventari's forty seven out of forty seven

2098
01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:46,639
Speaker 1: kicking inside. Yeah, it'd be a good idea, a chance,

2099
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 1: just just reinforce this, you know.

2100
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:53,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, can you walk us through the game winning

2101
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:58,599
Speaker 2: drive beat for beat? Like what's the mindset of the

2102
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 2: coaching staff when you see balls in the forty All right?

2103
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 2: All right, how do we how do we approach this?

2104
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 1: Okay, we know we need twenty you know we need

2105
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 1: twenty five yard. We need to we need twenty five yards,

2106
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 1: have a real you know, a realistic chance to kick

2107
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,880
Speaker 1: a field goal because you know you're not going to

2108
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:21,000
Speaker 1: try a sixty two yard or that if you don't

2109
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 1: think you can make it, and give them the ball where

2110
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:25,200
Speaker 1: they complete one passion, they go for the game the

2111
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:27,640
Speaker 1: way field goals. So we got to be smart. But

2112
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, last shot mentality, last shot mentality, and let's

2113
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, we this is what we do. We have

2114
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 1: confidence O. So let's let's let's go play.

2115
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:38,600
Speaker 2: Now, what's the what's the difference between Brady and his

2116
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:42,759
Speaker 2: first super Bowl game winning drive and then this Brady

2117
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:44,160
Speaker 2: in the game winning drive.

2118
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:46,880
Speaker 1: He'd done it before. So I mean it was like, hey,

2119
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:49,280
Speaker 1: you know, we've been there, done that.

2120
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:49,600
Speaker 5: Ye know.

2121
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:51,120
Speaker 1: Okay, that's where.

2122
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 2: Were your guys confidence through the roof on this, Like

2123
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:55,479
Speaker 2: you guys win in the game after that?

2124
01:47:56,439 --> 01:47:58,559
Speaker 1: No, I mean I think I think we offer, hey,

2125
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:01,040
Speaker 1: we we got a really good team. We know what

2126
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 1: we're doing. Let's go. I mean, it's now. We never

2127
01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:08,320
Speaker 1: we tried. We didn't try. We tried to tone it down,

2128
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, trash talking. It's just we're not gonna win

2129
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:16,960
Speaker 1: games talking. That's never And that was something that was

2130
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:22,320
Speaker 1: totally consistent throughout the whole our whole time with the Patriots.

2131
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:25,919
Speaker 1: Just go out and play. Walk us through that final drive. Okay,

2132
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:29,080
Speaker 1: so we get the we we start with the forty

2133
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 1: and I remember we had we we we catch the

2134
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 1: ball and we make a completion, Troy Brown catches the

2135
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:38,479
Speaker 1: first and twenty. We get the we we did a

2136
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:41,320
Speaker 1: couple of times in this game. Got the quarterback moving,

2137
01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 1: you know, hit to hit the big pass down there

2138
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 1: to Dion. You know, we're positioning to kick it. Yeah,

2139
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 1: and then then it's like that, Yeah, I mean it's

2140
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:54,280
Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, it's hey, we got We've been

2141
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:56,640
Speaker 1: practicing this for six months. We got to do it

2142
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:58,960
Speaker 1: right now. Tomorrow's not gonna do any good.

2143
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 2: Had to overcome something to a first and twenty. That's

2144
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:02,360
Speaker 2: not He's freaking.

2145
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 1: No, totally, that's right. And this is where you know,

2146
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:10,320
Speaker 1: even though we weren't we weren't the same, We weren't

2147
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:13,679
Speaker 1: the offense here that we were four years later. But

2148
01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:15,799
Speaker 1: when we had you know, we had a first and twenty,

2149
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, we we went and picked it up. The

2150
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:21,000
Speaker 1: other thing we did in this game was, uh, you know,

2151
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:22,639
Speaker 1: we just took it and ran it right at him

2152
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:26,519
Speaker 1: pretty effectively. So I mean it was we controlled the

2153
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 1: temple of the game. I mean, we get down there,

2154
01:49:29,160 --> 01:49:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, we miss uh you know, we missed two

2155
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:33,840
Speaker 1: field goals. I mean those were huge, but I mean

2156
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 1: we were we were controlling the temple of the game.

2157
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:41,160
Speaker 1: But they had I mean, they had a big, big

2158
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:42,519
Speaker 1: time explosive players.

2159
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:46,000
Speaker 2: So who are you next to when Adam was lining

2160
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:49,840
Speaker 2: up to kick? Yeah, boy, that's the game winner.

2161
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:55,479
Speaker 1: You know, usually because I always had in the coaching box,

2162
01:49:56,760 --> 01:49:59,639
Speaker 1: because I had to look at look at the monitor

2163
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:01,280
Speaker 1: to tell bill if we were going to challenge a

2164
01:50:01,320 --> 01:50:04,759
Speaker 1: player or not. So I always sat wherever the monitor

2165
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:06,799
Speaker 1: was in the booth, and sometimes up in a corner,

2166
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:11,800
Speaker 1: sometimes in the middle, so I don't remember exact exactly

2167
01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:16,519
Speaker 1: who was sitting where. And sometimes if the monitor was

2168
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:19,400
Speaker 1: up high, like attached to the ceiling, I mean I

2169
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:22,320
Speaker 1: stood up. I always put myself wherever I could see

2170
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:26,080
Speaker 1: the monitor best, So I don't honestly remember. Usually my

2171
01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:28,000
Speaker 1: man Scott Pioli was right.

2172
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:31,479
Speaker 3: There, our main man for now show how.

2173
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 2: Long does it take for you to get down? After

2174
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:33,360
Speaker 2: the kick?

2175
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:37,839
Speaker 1: The total chaos at the at the super Bowl starts

2176
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:41,040
Speaker 1: like so in this one, I think we just got

2177
01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, actually the code the elevator was right outside

2178
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:47,559
Speaker 1: our door, so down pretty quick. We played super Bowl

2179
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:50,760
Speaker 1: forty six. We lost to the Giants. They weren't bringing

2180
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 1: the elevator up to the top level. So not only

2181
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:55,720
Speaker 1: do we lose the damn Super Bowl, I had to

2182
01:50:55,920 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 1: walk down, walk down the stairs with the fans from

2183
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 1: the top of the state to the bottom. That's the walker,

2184
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 1: that's the walk of shame. Boy, you got it, And

2185
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:12,240
Speaker 1: then you know it's the whole You know, it's just chaos.

2186
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:17,040
Speaker 1: Didn'yone know you Ernie anyone, you know, they didn't know me. Hell,

2187
01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:19,760
Speaker 1: the security you know, like we we we we won,

2188
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:22,680
Speaker 1: like we beat the X. You know, you come down,

2189
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:25,960
Speaker 1: they got the podium up, there's all roped off. I mean,

2190
01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:28,400
Speaker 1: they weren't going to let me in, you know, under

2191
01:51:28,439 --> 01:51:30,640
Speaker 1: the rope line. And buddy, I'm a coach, you know,

2192
01:51:31,320 --> 01:51:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's uh mayhem, mayhem and and that's what

2193
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, Bill was really he said, I remember the

2194
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:44,400
Speaker 1: meetings before the games. He said, look, if it's a

2195
01:51:44,439 --> 01:51:48,679
Speaker 1: tight game, you know, thirty seconds to go, all these

2196
01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:52,400
Speaker 1: goddamn excuse my English photographers are going to want to

2197
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:55,280
Speaker 1: get on the field. They're going to be crowding and pushing.

2198
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:58,600
Speaker 1: They're ready to go. And that's when, you know, like

2199
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 1: we had, you know, we have people assigned, you know,

2200
01:52:01,640 --> 01:52:04,200
Speaker 1: you know, the strength coaches. Your job is to keep

2201
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:07,320
Speaker 1: those people out of our bench because there you know,

2202
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:09,880
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, it's it may it may have.

2203
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:15,519
Speaker 2: Man Like, can we talk about lastly before we move

2204
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:17,760
Speaker 2: on and we grade the game? Why why is Mike

2205
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:19,519
Speaker 2: Rabel such a great red area target?

2206
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:22,719
Speaker 1: Oh? Well, number one, this was a goal line pass,

2207
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, so It wasn't like we didn't spread out,

2208
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:27,560
Speaker 1: run some fancy route. I mean, you know, it's like

2209
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:30,439
Speaker 1: one thirty six, a crossing was still a cross across

2210
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:33,360
Speaker 1: on the goal traffic traffic. But you know they got

2211
01:52:33,439 --> 01:52:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's they got to play goal line defense.

2212
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:37,519
Speaker 1: They got fight through, fight through picks. I mean it

2213
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:40,040
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, he made it, you know, made a

2214
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:42,559
Speaker 1: really nice catch and we scored. I mean, but you

2215
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:46,120
Speaker 1: know what those goal line passes, everybody packed in. You know,

2216
01:52:46,160 --> 01:52:47,960
Speaker 1: you got people going one with the other. He he

2217
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:51,120
Speaker 1: came wide open and you know, game one, big play,

2218
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:54,519
Speaker 1: he caught the ball. Yeah, caught the ball. Was at

2219
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:57,160
Speaker 1: his play, that was and you know it was but

2220
01:52:57,160 --> 01:53:00,439
Speaker 1: but that's you know, I mean, I mean Mike, like

2221
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:03,639
Speaker 1: the pre game, he's out there running around catching balls,

2222
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:06,800
Speaker 1: you know, so that I mean, I mean, you talk

2223
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:09,240
Speaker 1: about I'm just like as a player, a guy who

2224
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:12,080
Speaker 1: just like to play ball. Mike Rabele liked to play

2225
01:53:12,160 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 1: ball as a you know, and that's why he was.

2226
01:53:14,160 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 1: You know, he's so good.

2227
01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:17,320
Speaker 4: Where did the idea to actually use him on offense

2228
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:17,800
Speaker 4: come from?

2229
01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 1: Because you know, and in the NFL you can only

2230
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:24,720
Speaker 1: your roster on games limited. I mean, you don't have

2231
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:27,599
Speaker 1: It's not like college. We can dress six tight ends.

2232
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:29,880
Speaker 1: So we got Rabel playing tight end. We got Richard

2233
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:33,559
Speaker 1: Seymour playing full back. I mean, you just get into uh.

2234
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:37,360
Speaker 1: You want your big guys in the in the game

2235
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:40,240
Speaker 1: on the goal line. If a defensive lineman can play

2236
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:43,600
Speaker 1: full back for you, that's huge because you may not

2237
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:46,200
Speaker 1: sooner or later. You have to get It's like people

2238
01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:49,680
Speaker 1: playing offensive lineman a tight end. It's you know, you

2239
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:51,240
Speaker 1: run out of people.

2240
01:53:51,320 --> 01:53:55,439
Speaker 2: Though roster size is so much smaller than it's it's

2241
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:58,240
Speaker 2: such a it can it can determine how you carry

2242
01:53:58,280 --> 01:54:02,320
Speaker 2: your roster for that game. If Mike can cover two spots.

2243
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:03,920
Speaker 4: Oh listen, but even throwing to the guy in these

2244
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 4: defensive end throwing to him.

2245
01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:08,160
Speaker 1: But but you know what, you can't if he's in

2246
01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:11,280
Speaker 1: the game and they call one thirty six, all cross,

2247
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:14,320
Speaker 1: he's the X, he's opening, you throw them the ball.

2248
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:16,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like always a you know, you

2249
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 1: don't have time to process he's he's in the game,

2250
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:23,080
Speaker 1: he's there, Throw them the ball. If you can't be

2251
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:26,760
Speaker 1: worried about shit, it becomes a problem when you get quarterback.

2252
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:29,400
Speaker 1: I got this router over here. I don't think that

2253
01:54:29,439 --> 01:54:31,439
Speaker 1: guy's going to catch it, even though he's open. I'll

2254
01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:34,080
Speaker 1: go someplace else. That's when the whole thing can start

2255
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 1: to break down. I mean it's it can be a

2256
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:40,960
Speaker 1: you get a few guys hurt. I mean, it can

2257
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, there's problems that that as you know that

2258
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:47,800
Speaker 1: they can come up on stuff like that a lot,

2259
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:48,440
Speaker 1: a lot.

2260
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:52,880
Speaker 2: Aftermath of this, the franchise wins their second Super Bowl.

2261
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:58,640
Speaker 2: Tom Brady wins MVP, his second of his five. Carolina

2262
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:02,080
Speaker 2: had a Super Bowl slump the very next year, going

2263
01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:05,960
Speaker 2: seven to nine. New England would go and repeat and

2264
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:09,280
Speaker 2: then draft Vince will Fork Ben Watson and that next

2265
01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:11,800
Speaker 2: year's draft, which turned out to be two really good

2266
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:15,160
Speaker 2: football players for the organization. New England would go back

2267
01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:19,280
Speaker 2: to back Carolina, we'll return to the NFC title, failing

2268
01:55:19,880 --> 01:55:23,680
Speaker 2: to Chicago, and then New England would take their win

2269
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:27,120
Speaker 2: streak from Week eight of two thousand and four to

2270
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:31,240
Speaker 2: twenty one straight games, including the playoffs, which would be a.

2271
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:33,480
Speaker 1: Right till we went on Pittsburgh and got a bunch

2272
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:37,640
Speaker 1: of kicks. Yeah, but no, that's and.

2273
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:39,080
Speaker 3: We got to wrap up with the final score here

2274
01:55:39,160 --> 01:55:42,000
Speaker 3: thirty two to twenty nine Patriots beat the Panthers just

2275
01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:43,040
Speaker 3: to put a bow on that thing.

2276
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:44,160
Speaker 1: Wow.

2277
01:55:44,360 --> 01:55:46,000
Speaker 3: Next time we got to go into the halftime show,

2278
01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:47,879
Speaker 3: there was some.

2279
01:55:47,240 --> 01:55:51,640
Speaker 1: Wow, it's the other thing you gotta go in. There's

2280
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:54,840
Speaker 1: some and I've never seen it. There's some mind block

2281
01:55:54,960 --> 01:56:02,560
Speaker 1: like by like commercial but like this, like there's some

2282
01:56:02,640 --> 01:56:04,680
Speaker 1: stuff on there. I didn't know it was legal to

2283
01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:05,120
Speaker 1: do a.

2284
01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:11,840
Speaker 2: We gotta have an Ernie commercial episode where we just

2285
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:13,800
Speaker 2: sit and watch the Super Bowl commercials.

2286
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:15,480
Speaker 4: How do you hear about the commercials when you were

2287
01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:15,920
Speaker 4: at the game.

2288
01:56:16,280 --> 01:56:22,240
Speaker 1: I didn't. This week the guy the video guys say

2289
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:25,480
Speaker 1: they gave me a DVD of the TV and I

2290
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:27,960
Speaker 1: always told them, I want the whole thing. I want

2291
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:30,840
Speaker 1: the commercials. I want a record of everything. So I

2292
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:32,920
Speaker 1: never seen I just watched it.

2293
01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:37,720
Speaker 2: Oh geez, you seen commercials these days?

2294
01:56:38,240 --> 01:56:40,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I watched again on TV. I don't have

2295
01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:43,680
Speaker 1: a you know. But but I'm gonna tell you this.

2296
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:47,200
Speaker 4: I said, did you watch the halftime show?

2297
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2298
01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:48,640
Speaker 4: You did what you think?

2299
01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:54,560
Speaker 1: Okay, now I understand wardrobe now, but.

2300
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:55,040
Speaker 2: It hadn't done that.

2301
01:56:55,120 --> 01:56:56,920
Speaker 3: And then you get a streaker to open the second half.

2302
01:56:57,480 --> 01:57:03,120
Speaker 1: That was now no, Actually, okay, we got the uh,

2303
01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:08,760
Speaker 1: on the the NFL, or there's the NFL DVD which

2304
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:11,040
Speaker 1: I also has, has the Streaker on it.

2305
01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:13,800
Speaker 3: No way, oh yeah, they got away on the other

2306
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:14,240
Speaker 3: one the other.

2307
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:19,080
Speaker 1: But this is like I'm because because when we had

2308
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:27,040
Speaker 1: the Ring Ceremony they showed some highlights they had that on. Okay,

2309
01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:30,440
Speaker 1: So what happens this guy, the famous Streaker, He gets

2310
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:33,320
Speaker 1: out there and he's got a ball and he's going

2311
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:36,040
Speaker 1: out to the kicker and who and all of a

2312
01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:38,400
Speaker 1: sudden he stand out there with his sneakers in his

2313
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:42,960
Speaker 1: jackstrap and everybody's you know, nobody knows what to do,

2314
01:57:43,400 --> 01:57:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, okay, and Matt Shatham's getting pissed off. He's

2315
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:51,600
Speaker 1: getting pissed off, and finally he just comes in. He's

2316
01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:55,160
Speaker 1: got to drill and this guy Street, he's got a

2317
01:57:55,480 --> 01:58:01,200
Speaker 1: player coming right at him. Know, we're at the Rings

2318
01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:03,880
Speaker 1: Ceremony and they're showing this and ever come on back,

2319
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:05,320
Speaker 1: go get it, Come on.

2320
01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:09,280
Speaker 2: Back, everyone probably will. Wild Man, let's name the game

2321
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:12,360
Speaker 2: and then score the game, and then score the game.

2322
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:14,880
Speaker 2: Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score

2323
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:19,200
Speaker 2: its decimals? Encouraged Ernie, we came up with these names,

2324
01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:25,120
Speaker 2: the Forgotten super Bowl, the Underrated super Bowl, the Automatic

2325
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:28,520
Speaker 2: Adam Game, the Janet Jackson.

2326
01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:31,600
Speaker 1: Game, or is there another name that Yeah, goes, I'm

2327
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:33,440
Speaker 1: definitely going with underrated.

2328
01:58:33,240 --> 01:58:36,200
Speaker 2: The underrated super Bowl, or anything else that comes to mind.

2329
01:58:36,240 --> 01:58:38,960
Speaker 1: What did you like to call it? Yeah, that's a

2330
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:40,080
Speaker 1: good all.

2331
01:58:40,040 --> 01:58:42,360
Speaker 2: Right, Let's score the game. Is this the greatest game

2332
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:46,320
Speaker 2: of all time? Let's score it. Desk moals, decimals encouraged

2333
01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:51,080
Speaker 2: Ernie super Bowl thirty nine, Carolina versus New England, the

2334
01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:55,560
Speaker 2: stakes of this super Bowl matchup, Yeah, I give it nine.

2335
01:58:56,360 --> 01:59:00,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with the nine as well. In three,

2336
01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:05,040
Speaker 2: Holy moly, for all the marbles, star power of this game,

2337
01:59:05,160 --> 01:59:07,680
Speaker 2: Ernie Jana Jackson did show some cleavage.

2338
01:59:08,440 --> 01:59:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, if you watch star Power for that stuff,

2339
01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:15,920
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if it's some of your guys like,

2340
01:59:19,480 --> 01:59:22,800
Speaker 1: uh this, this guy just old, I go with an

2341
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:24,680
Speaker 1: eight here. I mean, this is a this is kind

2342
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:28,400
Speaker 1: of a slug fast football game. This there's no style points. Yeah,

2343
01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:28,720
Speaker 1: I'll go.

2344
01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:32,440
Speaker 2: I'll go with the star power eight jack eight point six.

2345
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:35,800
Speaker 2: The gameplay, how it went slow first half?

2346
01:59:36,200 --> 01:59:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was kind of this just a little bit

2347
01:59:37,880 --> 01:59:40,560
Speaker 1: of a unique super Bowl just because it's you know

2348
01:59:41,040 --> 01:59:43,920
Speaker 1: there's both halves. You know, I just can't, So I

2349
01:59:44,040 --> 01:59:45,400
Speaker 1: go with a knight on that.

2350
01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:49,200
Speaker 2: Nice get a little defense, has defense.

2351
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:52,160
Speaker 1: Hey, this is all you know, some hid nose running

2352
01:59:52,680 --> 01:59:56,120
Speaker 1: uh play people playing two backs running the wham.

2353
01:59:56,240 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 2: You get a game winning field goal to miss conversions to.

2354
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:06,080
Speaker 1: It's those, okay, which were absolutely Uh.

2355
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:07,320
Speaker 2: Would you've gone for it to make it in that situation?

2356
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:08,640
Speaker 1: Were down.

2357
02:00:10,360 --> 02:00:12,640
Speaker 2: Sixteen, they needed a two point conversion to make it

2358
02:00:12,680 --> 02:00:13,440
Speaker 2: down three.

2359
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:16,440
Speaker 1: Down three, And I probably would because you know, hey,

2360
02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:19,360
Speaker 1: you get how many possessions gonna be left? But you

2361
02:00:19,400 --> 02:00:20,880
Speaker 1: put the field goal if you make it to the

2362
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:23,520
Speaker 1: field goals and play, yeah, you know you can. You know,

2363
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:26,240
Speaker 1: it's really different. You get the ball that last time

2364
02:00:26,440 --> 02:00:28,720
Speaker 1: we down four, we got to go get a touchdown,

2365
02:00:28,760 --> 02:00:31,000
Speaker 1: were down three, we can kick a fifty yur field

2366
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:33,800
Speaker 1: goal and go to overtime. But then they get down five. Yeah,

2367
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:36,440
Speaker 1: well that's listen, it's hey, you pay your money and

2368
02:00:36,520 --> 02:00:39,000
Speaker 1: you take your chances. You pay your money and you

2369
02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:41,880
Speaker 1: take your chances. Hey, we went for the two point

2370
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:44,080
Speaker 1: play we hit you know it was it was you know,

2371
02:00:44,320 --> 02:00:48,160
Speaker 1: and like sixteen we hit two of them. Uh, twenty sixteen, right,

2372
02:00:48,240 --> 02:00:49,800
Speaker 1: didn't we hit two. I think we just hit the

2373
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:53,880
Speaker 1: one this game. I'm saying in sixteen twenty sixteen, we

2374
02:00:53,160 --> 02:00:56,440
Speaker 1: had we had to that was we had no choice. Yeah,

2375
02:00:56,600 --> 02:00:59,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's clear cut, no no choice. But in

2376
02:00:59,160 --> 02:01:01,800
Speaker 1: this game, you know, one of our favorites was we

2377
02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:03,920
Speaker 1: got the alert calls. So if they're a light box,

2378
02:01:03,960 --> 02:01:06,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna direct snap. But this is a direct snap.

2379
02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:13,720
Speaker 1: That and you know if they're if they're got gotta win.

2380
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go gameplay. I thought it was a

2381
02:01:17,080 --> 02:01:20,240
Speaker 2: great game. It's sneaky, really good game. I'm gonna go

2382
02:01:20,280 --> 02:01:21,520
Speaker 2: with like an eight seven.

2383
02:01:21,680 --> 02:01:23,480
Speaker 1: Had a nine to at an eight point nine.

2384
02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:29,160
Speaker 2: The name of the game, the underrated super Bowl, gotta

2385
02:01:29,320 --> 02:01:29,920
Speaker 2: you got to score.

2386
02:01:29,960 --> 02:01:32,760
Speaker 1: The name of the game. I think, actually I think

2387
02:01:32,760 --> 02:01:37,640
Speaker 1: that I'm going for like a nine to five. They said, great,

2388
02:01:38,240 --> 02:01:39,920
Speaker 1: that really describes this game.

2389
02:01:40,080 --> 02:01:44,200
Speaker 2: It does Underrated super Bowl. I'm gonna go with the

2390
02:01:44,480 --> 02:01:47,240
Speaker 2: eight point six at.

2391
02:01:47,120 --> 02:01:49,760
Speaker 1: A seven point zero, at seven point one on the

2392
02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:50,520
Speaker 1: low side, there.

2393
02:01:50,360 --> 02:01:51,960
Speaker 2: Where does it stack up in our games?

2394
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:53,760
Speaker 1: And of course, let me just say, because I'm gonna

2395
02:01:53,760 --> 02:01:55,560
Speaker 1: go to name under the rad I like it.

2396
02:01:56,920 --> 02:02:01,600
Speaker 2: Underrated Ring, Underrated Ring, and it's the only one er,

2397
02:02:01,640 --> 02:02:03,560
Speaker 2: and he was saying that he wears because.

2398
02:02:03,560 --> 02:02:05,560
Speaker 1: It always hinds up if I gotta go. You know,

2399
02:02:05,840 --> 02:02:08,440
Speaker 1: this is this is the best. It's the best ring

2400
02:02:08,520 --> 02:02:12,280
Speaker 1: to wear. Why because it's big, It's got world champions

2401
02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:15,080
Speaker 1: and it's not you know, it doesn't take up my

2402
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:15,680
Speaker 1: whole finger.

2403
02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:18,000
Speaker 2: So it's not too big. It's big enough.

2404
02:02:18,040 --> 02:02:20,880
Speaker 1: It's big enough. Yes, it has a way of catching

2405
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:21,720
Speaker 1: people's attention.

2406
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:23,920
Speaker 2: I've heard that a couple of times. It's big enough.

2407
02:02:23,960 --> 02:02:26,440
Speaker 1: So we had an eight point we had an eight

2408
02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:27,160
Speaker 1: point sixty five.

2409
02:02:27,160 --> 02:02:30,360
Speaker 4: It's now tied for our fourteenth game overall with the

2410
02:02:30,400 --> 02:02:31,160
Speaker 4: two thousand.

2411
02:02:30,880 --> 02:02:32,640
Speaker 1: And eight Celtics versus the Cows. We just did with

2412
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:33,200
Speaker 1: Paul Pierce.

2413
02:02:33,400 --> 02:02:36,520
Speaker 4: It's just behind the twenty eleven AFC Championship game Ravens

2414
02:02:36,600 --> 02:02:39,720
Speaker 4: versus Patriots, and just above the statue of Libery game

2415
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:41,080
Speaker 4: if Fest to Bow two thousand and seven.

2416
02:02:41,120 --> 02:02:46,040
Speaker 1: Remember that game not a great statue. Yes, yeah, I Then.

2417
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:48,600
Speaker 2: The Eastern Conference game was Lebron when he went for

2418
02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:50,840
Speaker 2: forty five against Paul Pierce in the game seven.

2419
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:53,520
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, this is in the rescoring episode, but I

2420
02:02:53,560 --> 02:02:54,680
Speaker 3: already think this is too long.

2421
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:59,560
Speaker 4: Shouldn't behind me that AFC Championship, which one the two.

2422
02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:03,040
Speaker 1: It should not be below that. It should be.

2423
02:03:03,400 --> 02:03:09,360
Speaker 2: It should probably be in a top twelve. It should Raiders, Redskins,

2424
02:03:09,800 --> 02:03:13,760
Speaker 2: four nations. That's a little too high. That's recentcy bias.

2425
02:03:14,040 --> 02:03:15,520
Speaker 1: Thank Super eighteen is a little too high too.

2426
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:18,240
Speaker 2: Women's World Cup. I mean that changed game for a

2427
02:03:18,280 --> 02:03:22,520
Speaker 2: long time. Girls, you know, as a girl, dad snowball

2428
02:03:22,920 --> 02:03:26,120
Speaker 2: that I mean, that's that kicked off the damn near everything.

2429
02:03:26,240 --> 02:03:30,560
Speaker 2: Sixteen World Series Cubs Indians, I mean cous games. That's high.

2430
02:03:30,760 --> 02:03:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is that high? Yeah?

2431
02:03:32,240 --> 02:03:34,200
Speaker 2: I mean they hadn't won a World Series ever.

2432
02:03:34,360 --> 02:03:34,920
Speaker 1: Game seven.

2433
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:37,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is just ahead of the Titans Rams Reach

2434
02:03:37,960 --> 02:03:38,360
Speaker 4: game too.

2435
02:03:38,440 --> 02:03:41,720
Speaker 3: I'm bringing this game to our rescoring specially earned dog.

2436
02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:43,160
Speaker 2: Did we miss anything from this game?

2437
02:03:43,320 --> 02:03:45,320
Speaker 1: No, I think we got the I think it was good.

2438
02:03:45,480 --> 02:03:45,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2439
02:03:45,720 --> 02:03:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is an old fashioned football game.

2440
02:03:48,840 --> 02:03:52,120
Speaker 1: Old fashion football game with a championship on the line, with.

2441
02:03:52,160 --> 02:03:55,480
Speaker 2: The championship on the line that people forget doesn't get

2442
02:03:55,560 --> 02:03:56,160
Speaker 2: much better.

2443
02:03:56,040 --> 02:03:59,040
Speaker 1: Right, which is you know, I meant part of the reason,

2444
02:03:59,520 --> 02:04:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, Christine was really pushing to do that game

2445
02:04:02,640 --> 02:04:05,800
Speaker 1: for this team, because you know, I mean, this is

2446
02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:08,760
Speaker 1: the core guys, we won three championships in four years,

2447
02:04:09,160 --> 02:04:12,040
Speaker 1: and they've a tendency to get overlooked. I mean you

2448
02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:14,200
Speaker 1: could also got the overlooked super Bowl, which is kind

2449
02:04:14,200 --> 02:04:17,920
Speaker 1: of the same idea. Is a super Bowl? Should we

2450
02:04:17,960 --> 02:04:18,760
Speaker 1: change the name real quick?

2451
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:20,600
Speaker 2: Put it in as they overlooked super Bowl?

2452
02:04:20,920 --> 02:04:21,520
Speaker 1: Look super Bowl?

2453
02:04:21,600 --> 02:04:21,840
Speaker 3: I like it.

2454
02:04:21,920 --> 02:04:24,400
Speaker 1: Addendum, So are we coaching?

2455
02:04:24,440 --> 02:04:26,280
Speaker 2: Are we coaching at Phillips Academy all year?

2456
02:04:26,360 --> 02:04:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2457
02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:28,640
Speaker 2: Everyone goes, what do they have Friday night lights?

2458
02:04:29,320 --> 02:04:29,400
Speaker 5: No?

2459
02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:32,040
Speaker 1: We actually we play on Saturday.

2460
02:04:31,720 --> 02:04:33,640
Speaker 2: Afternoons, Saturday after noon light.

2461
02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:38,960
Speaker 1: It's prep school athletics. It's because we only plan on Saturdays.

2462
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:41,640
Speaker 1: But you know, like basketball, high are the other sports.

2463
02:04:41,720 --> 02:04:44,760
Speaker 1: It's Wednesday afternoon, Saturday afternoon. You come up to the campus,

2464
02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:46,440
Speaker 1: will be ten games going on. They got it? Do

2465
02:04:46,440 --> 02:04:50,360
Speaker 1: they got a good snack check? I'll tell you what

2466
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:53,720
Speaker 1: they have, uh for parents to put on a pretty

2467
02:04:53,720 --> 02:04:56,440
Speaker 1: good spread for friends of I mean football.

2468
02:04:57,040 --> 02:05:00,640
Speaker 2: The place has had the constitution ten years before the

2469
02:05:00,760 --> 02:05:02,280
Speaker 2: actual constitution, right the.

2470
02:05:02,720 --> 02:05:06,600
Speaker 1: School, right the school constitution is and then you know, listen,

2471
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:10,480
Speaker 1: this is the other thing. Was seventeen seventy eight when

2472
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:13,880
Speaker 1: that school was founded, the Revolutionary boy it was no

2473
02:05:14,120 --> 02:05:16,160
Speaker 1: there was a lot of questions how that was going

2474
02:05:16,200 --> 02:05:16,760
Speaker 1: to turn out.

2475
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:19,320
Speaker 2: We were losing I think we lost New York and Philly.

2476
02:05:19,640 --> 02:05:22,760
Speaker 1: Well we were, but we had wanted Sarah tooga, which

2477
02:05:22,840 --> 02:05:28,400
Speaker 1: was huge, but it was still I mean, but you know,

2478
02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:30,760
Speaker 1: the founder said, we're going to be a new country

2479
02:05:30,800 --> 02:05:33,920
Speaker 1: and we need some educated people ready to run it.

2480
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:35,960
Speaker 2: And Phillips andover Academy.

2481
02:05:36,200 --> 02:05:38,000
Speaker 4: You know, I was just on campus in the new

2482
02:05:38,040 --> 02:05:40,200
Speaker 4: athletic building up there, and I was looking at the

2483
02:05:40,280 --> 02:05:43,240
Speaker 4: Athletic Hall of Fames and I saw coach Belichick's name

2484
02:05:43,280 --> 02:05:44,760
Speaker 4: up there. I saw some presidents. When are we getting

2485
02:05:44,760 --> 02:05:45,480
Speaker 4: your name up there?

2486
02:05:45,600 --> 02:05:49,240
Speaker 1: No? Because I and I said no, because the number

2487
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:50,960
Speaker 1: one thing you got to do is had a really

2488
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:54,480
Speaker 1: good athletic career, which I didn't. So I'm a I mean,

2489
02:05:54,720 --> 02:05:57,160
Speaker 1: like I may be the Volunteer of the Year, but

2490
02:05:57,920 --> 02:06:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, I have strong feelings about you know, like the.

2491
02:06:02,280 --> 02:06:04,160
Speaker 2: You should be in the Athletic Hall of Fame just

2492
02:06:04,200 --> 02:06:07,600
Speaker 2: for being You're part of you You're a huge part

2493
02:06:07,640 --> 02:06:08,920
Speaker 2: of athletics.

2494
02:06:08,520 --> 02:06:10,520
Speaker 1: Right, But but part of it is you know that

2495
02:06:10,520 --> 02:06:11,680
Speaker 1: that's got to be the people.

2496
02:06:11,720 --> 02:06:13,640
Speaker 2: And there's no coaches in there.

2497
02:06:14,880 --> 02:06:18,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but people coach there for forty years. But I

2498
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:20,120
Speaker 1: just felt like it was so.

2499
02:06:20,080 --> 02:06:21,320
Speaker 2: You were they asked you to be in the Hall

2500
02:06:21,320 --> 02:06:22,520
Speaker 2: of Fame year turn it down.

2501
02:06:22,440 --> 02:06:24,840
Speaker 1: Basically, Okay, that's fair like.

2502
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:29,480
Speaker 2: That, that's integrity, that is an integrity.

2503
02:06:29,240 --> 02:06:31,840
Speaker 1: Would not because there are some people who aren't in

2504
02:06:31,880 --> 02:06:35,960
Speaker 1: there who were great athletes, I should not. I'd be

2505
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:38,800
Speaker 1: embarrassed to win before a couple of them. So who

2506
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:39,240
Speaker 1: aren't in there?

2507
02:06:39,240 --> 02:06:41,040
Speaker 2: So as an integrity man right there?

2508
02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:41,560
Speaker 1: Yep.

2509
02:06:41,680 --> 02:06:43,480
Speaker 2: Lastly, any book recommendations.

2510
02:06:44,600 --> 02:06:50,440
Speaker 1: Just finished reading, uh the second Rick Atkinson rote he's

2511
02:06:50,440 --> 02:06:54,040
Speaker 1: doing a trilogy on the American Revolution. Just finished his

2512
02:06:54,440 --> 02:06:57,120
Speaker 1: second one came out earlier this spring. I believe the

2513
02:06:57,120 --> 02:06:59,839
Speaker 1: titlest fate of the day is terrific.

2514
02:07:00,160 --> 02:07:03,480
Speaker 2: Do you ever watch the History Channel? Not that you know,

2515
02:07:03,640 --> 02:07:06,280
Speaker 2: I watch a lot of those, so you read your information?

2516
02:07:07,120 --> 02:07:10,840
Speaker 1: I watch it, uh huh, I mean from yeah, yeah,

2517
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:13,360
Speaker 1: and the point you only got twenty four hours a day.

2518
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:16,920
Speaker 2: You know for that team pages would take me two hours.

2519
02:07:16,960 --> 02:07:21,280
Speaker 2: I might as well watch a documentary mis TikTok.

2520
02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:27,880
Speaker 1: Okay. By by the way, it's Phillips Academy. And it's

2521
02:07:27,960 --> 02:07:29,800
Speaker 1: not Phillips andover.

2522
02:07:29,440 --> 02:07:36,440
Speaker 2: It's Phillips Academy because Samuel Phillips founded the school in Andover.

2523
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:41,000
Speaker 1: His uncle Jonathan Phillips founded at school in Exeter in

2524
02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:45,040
Speaker 1: New Hampshire in seventeen eighty one, which is Phillips Exeter Academy,

2525
02:07:45,400 --> 02:07:47,760
Speaker 1: and it's you know, I'm with the things with names,

2526
02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:50,680
Speaker 1: but there are just a school our trifle pain in

2527
02:07:50,720 --> 02:07:52,800
Speaker 1: the ass, baby brother. But we got to get the

2528
02:07:52,880 --> 02:07:54,440
Speaker 1: name right. Got to get the name right.

2529
02:07:54,920 --> 02:07:57,360
Speaker 2: Phillips Academy in Andover.

2530
02:07:57,120 --> 02:08:00,400
Speaker 1: Yes, or is it Phillips Academy Andover? It's phil It's

2531
02:08:00,760 --> 02:08:04,760
Speaker 1: Philips Academy. It's in Andover, Massachusetts. We got and you know, so.

2532
02:08:04,920 --> 02:08:07,120
Speaker 2: It's the OG they call it. This is the OG,

2533
02:08:07,360 --> 02:08:11,240
Speaker 2: the original, This is the the O. G right, Ernie,

2534
02:08:11,440 --> 02:08:12,640
Speaker 2: thank you for coming on, Jul.

2535
02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a pleasure. Till next time. Until next time.

2536
02:08:16,520 --> 02:08:20,720
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this quick break. Man, that's awesome.

2537
02:08:21,160 --> 02:08:23,240
Speaker 1: Polo he called it. He looked like he was going.

2538
02:08:23,320 --> 02:08:24,840
Speaker 1: He stopped by on his way to training camp.

2539
02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:27,080
Speaker 2: I felt like I've seen that look the New Balance

2540
02:08:27,120 --> 02:08:27,360
Speaker 2: through me.

2541
02:08:27,400 --> 02:08:28,480
Speaker 3: I didn't predict New Balance.

2542
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:31,400
Speaker 2: Well, it's a Boston company. I just didn't predict a sneaker.

2543
02:08:31,400 --> 02:08:33,560
Speaker 3: Sneaker I should say great hat game too by Erny

2544
02:08:33,640 --> 02:08:37,080
Speaker 3: this week relevantpos what.

2545
02:08:36,920 --> 02:08:38,200
Speaker 1: Hat was it from the super Bowl?

2546
02:08:38,240 --> 02:08:38,920
Speaker 3: From the super Bowl?

2547
02:08:38,920 --> 02:08:40,960
Speaker 2: It was the It was probably the super Bowl hat.

2548
02:08:41,240 --> 02:08:43,760
Speaker 2: Ernie has his little it was awesome. He's got his

2549
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:45,920
Speaker 2: little thoughts and how he it's.

2550
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:47,160
Speaker 1: All intentional, it is.

2551
02:08:47,240 --> 02:08:48,880
Speaker 3: I want to give Ernie a little nuts before the

2552
02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:51,600
Speaker 3: show that broke my finger on that super Bowl ring.

2553
02:08:52,240 --> 02:08:54,480
Speaker 2: You noticed it was upside doubt he did not for

2554
02:08:54,520 --> 02:08:57,520
Speaker 2: who for It was like, if you look at like this,

2555
02:08:57,640 --> 02:09:00,360
Speaker 2: it's upside down. Well it was for him, But for

2556
02:09:00,440 --> 02:09:02,280
Speaker 2: him it's probably already.

2557
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:03,800
Speaker 4: Lives for himself, not anybody else.

2558
02:09:03,880 --> 02:09:05,040
Speaker 1: I think he lives for Christine.

2559
02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:07,000
Speaker 3: He there, there we go.

2560
02:09:07,200 --> 02:09:09,480
Speaker 2: You know, it was a very unforgett It's a very

2561
02:09:09,520 --> 02:09:10,560
Speaker 2: overlooked super Bowl.

2562
02:09:11,080 --> 02:09:12,840
Speaker 4: Is when you have six of them, you know one

2563
02:09:12,840 --> 02:09:14,440
Speaker 4: of them's got to be the overlooked one.

2564
02:09:14,840 --> 02:09:15,520
Speaker 1: That was awesome.

2565
02:09:15,560 --> 02:09:17,640
Speaker 4: This is what he means talk about. This was like, okay,

2566
02:09:17,680 --> 02:09:19,080
Speaker 4: now we're on dynasty path.

2567
02:09:19,160 --> 02:09:21,680
Speaker 3: We barely even talked about Nipplegate. By the way, barely

2568
02:09:21,680 --> 02:09:22,240
Speaker 3: even talked about it.

2569
02:09:22,240 --> 02:09:23,800
Speaker 2: I didn't want to get too far into it, but

2570
02:09:23,880 --> 02:09:26,959
Speaker 2: he did bring it up with the malfunction and wardrobe malfunction.

2571
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:29,520
Speaker 4: So that was the perfect amount of nipple talk, was it. Yeah,

2572
02:09:29,560 --> 02:09:31,680
Speaker 4: because he mentioned it, he acknowledged it, and then he

2573
02:09:31,720 --> 02:09:32,040
Speaker 4: moved on.

2574
02:09:32,360 --> 02:09:34,920
Speaker 2: He was more fascinated with goddamn commercials.

2575
02:09:35,000 --> 02:09:37,360
Speaker 4: Yeah he beer commercials.

2576
02:09:37,440 --> 02:09:40,400
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, that's got to be a wild feeling being

2577
02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:43,360
Speaker 3: in that many Super bowls never seeing the commercials. Then

2578
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:45,360
Speaker 3: like twenty years later you're watching that.

2579
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:53,280
Speaker 2: Commercials were pretty damn just shows up, you guys, are

2580
02:09:53,360 --> 02:09:58,520
Speaker 2: this dude? This commercial that Those were the funniest commercials. Yeah,

2581
02:09:58,640 --> 02:10:01,160
Speaker 2: it's time for the chill zone to by cores Light,

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Speaker 2: get cools Light delivered straight to your door of is

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Speaker 2: They're awful blue little sixty eight percent humidity out.

2585
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Speaker 1: Here is perfect, perfect weather.

2586
02:10:16,360 --> 02:10:20,040
Speaker 2: Perfect feels like seventy six, but it feels like ten

2587
02:10:20,080 --> 02:10:21,320
Speaker 2: degrees in my throat?

2588
02:10:21,640 --> 02:10:22,080
Speaker 5: Is right?

2589
02:10:22,280 --> 02:10:22,960
Speaker 3: Just how we like it?

2590
02:10:23,920 --> 02:10:26,280
Speaker 1: Zak what we're doing for this? All right?

2591
02:10:26,320 --> 02:10:27,080
Speaker 2: This is cold.

2592
02:10:27,520 --> 02:10:28,839
Speaker 3: This is a little edition.

2593
02:10:29,440 --> 02:10:32,120
Speaker 2: Of a Peak behind the Curtain, A Peak behind the

2594
02:10:32,160 --> 02:10:33,840
Speaker 2: Curtain where jewels.

2595
02:10:33,880 --> 02:10:37,440
Speaker 3: Impart some wisdom onto us about really goes on different

2596
02:10:37,520 --> 02:10:40,520
Speaker 3: facets of the NFL and life is a player. Today,

2597
02:10:40,880 --> 02:10:43,000
Speaker 3: we're going to be pulling back the curtain on how

2598
02:10:43,120 --> 02:10:48,000
Speaker 3: NFL players watch film and their preparation process each and

2599
02:10:48,040 --> 02:10:50,960
Speaker 3: every week, day in and day out, and what it's

2600
02:10:51,160 --> 02:10:52,920
Speaker 3: like watching film as a player.

2601
02:10:53,320 --> 02:10:55,600
Speaker 2: All Right, Well, that's like a loaded question that can

2602
02:10:55,640 --> 02:10:58,800
Speaker 2: go a million different ways, and I'm I'm probably pretty

2603
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:01,200
Speaker 2: sure that it's different for each player on how they

2604
02:11:01,240 --> 02:11:03,720
Speaker 2: watch film.

2605
02:11:02,920 --> 02:11:05,040
Speaker 4: As a football player. Like at the end of your career,

2606
02:11:05,200 --> 02:11:07,120
Speaker 4: the most current time you were in the league, how

2607
02:11:07,160 --> 02:11:07,960
Speaker 4: did you watch football?

2608
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:08,440
Speaker 1: iPad?

2609
02:11:08,480 --> 02:11:11,120
Speaker 4: How did it get deciphered to you? Are people assigning

2610
02:11:11,160 --> 02:11:13,040
Speaker 4: certain things so that you know.

2611
02:11:14,520 --> 02:11:17,800
Speaker 2: Players you watch a lot of film in the meetings

2612
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:20,320
Speaker 2: with the coaches. I mean, we'll have a forty five

2613
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:24,280
Speaker 2: play cut up Wednesday morning with coach Belichick. That's breaking

2614
02:11:24,320 --> 02:11:28,160
Speaker 2: down probably fifteen plays on offense, fifteen plays on defense,

2615
02:11:28,200 --> 02:11:31,920
Speaker 2: fifteen plays in the special teams, just an overview of

2616
02:11:32,440 --> 02:11:35,960
Speaker 2: what he thinks the teams are. And everyone's everyone's in

2617
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:40,560
Speaker 2: the auditorium watching, so you're watching reps on that and

2618
02:11:40,600 --> 02:11:42,440
Speaker 2: he'll have what he's talking about. All right, You guys,

2619
02:11:42,480 --> 02:11:45,040
Speaker 2: look at their defense. They play a lot of cover

2620
02:11:45,160 --> 02:11:47,880
Speaker 2: two show watch those safeties and then you break up

2621
02:11:47,880 --> 02:11:48,440
Speaker 2: into offense.

2622
02:11:48,480 --> 02:11:51,240
Speaker 1: Indeed, that's just for the team you are playing that week.

2623
02:11:51,320 --> 02:11:54,080
Speaker 2: That week, okay, so this is just a regular week

2624
02:11:54,200 --> 02:11:57,160
Speaker 2: work week. We'll watch that film. Then we break up

2625
02:11:57,160 --> 02:11:59,760
Speaker 2: into offense defense like we all know because we've talked

2626
02:11:59,800 --> 02:12:02,520
Speaker 2: about this goddamn schedule on this podcast a million times.

2627
02:12:03,320 --> 02:12:08,560
Speaker 2: And you know, then the offensive coach, very similar to

2628
02:12:08,680 --> 02:12:12,839
Speaker 2: like all the other meetings, has his twenty to forty

2629
02:12:12,840 --> 02:12:16,960
Speaker 2: play fifteen to thirty play cut up of what he

2630
02:12:17,560 --> 02:12:21,040
Speaker 2: sees and the keys to victory. So you're watching more reps.

2631
02:12:21,080 --> 02:12:25,280
Speaker 2: Sometimes they overlap from the head coach and you're seeing

2632
02:12:25,320 --> 02:12:28,200
Speaker 2: and they're giving you kind of the important keys of

2633
02:12:28,200 --> 02:12:31,600
Speaker 2: what we should be seeing for this defense. And then

2634
02:12:31,640 --> 02:12:34,360
Speaker 2: once you break up into you know, your skill group

2635
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:39,440
Speaker 2: or your position group, your coach, your individual coach will

2636
02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:45,160
Speaker 2: have his set of fifteen to twenty plays individually on

2637
02:12:45,240 --> 02:12:48,040
Speaker 2: how you watch you know their team now you know

2638
02:12:48,240 --> 02:12:51,520
Speaker 2: Chad O'Shea my coach receivers coach, he would show a

2639
02:12:51,560 --> 02:12:54,480
Speaker 2: bunch of you know, we'd watch like ten to fifteen

2640
02:12:54,520 --> 02:12:57,200
Speaker 2: plays of how we're going to have to go in

2641
02:12:57,280 --> 02:13:00,760
Speaker 2: and block guys for the force or how they're dbs are,

2642
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:03,440
Speaker 2: you know in the run game, and then he'd have

2643
02:13:04,160 --> 02:13:10,200
Speaker 2: individual like thirty play cutups of each corner that you're

2644
02:13:10,200 --> 02:13:14,440
Speaker 2: gonna defend with like highlighted examples of what their strengths were,

2645
02:13:14,760 --> 02:13:18,000
Speaker 2: highlighted examples of what their weaknesses or what they struggled with.

2646
02:13:18,480 --> 02:13:21,120
Speaker 2: So like say, you know you have a corner. He's

2647
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:24,320
Speaker 2: really the big guy. He would show his offhand jam

2648
02:13:24,440 --> 02:13:26,240
Speaker 2: how this guy did it, three or four times. He

2649
02:13:26,280 --> 02:13:28,360
Speaker 2: would look at his stance on when he would do it,

2650
02:13:28,640 --> 02:13:30,280
Speaker 2: how he would do it, so you could kind of

2651
02:13:30,320 --> 02:13:33,920
Speaker 2: feel it. So you're looking individually at that specific guy

2652
02:13:33,960 --> 02:13:38,240
Speaker 2: with the receiver coach, and then for me individually after that.

2653
02:13:38,880 --> 02:13:41,320
Speaker 2: You know, in those days would always change according to

2654
02:13:41,320 --> 02:13:43,320
Speaker 2: what day is. That would be early down day, and

2655
02:13:43,360 --> 02:13:45,480
Speaker 2: then you do the same thing on Thursday for third

2656
02:13:45,520 --> 02:13:48,520
Speaker 2: down day, and then the same thing for Friday with

2657
02:13:48,720 --> 02:13:51,839
Speaker 2: red area and then overview two minute and all the others,

2658
02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:57,040
Speaker 2: and then there would be cutups. Coach O'Shea would say,

2659
02:13:57,080 --> 02:14:00,200
Speaker 2: all right, you know we have you know, I want

2660
02:14:00,240 --> 02:14:01,840
Speaker 2: you guys to take a look. If say we were

2661
02:14:01,880 --> 02:14:05,960
Speaker 2: struggling or we weren't at the standard of third down

2662
02:14:06,040 --> 02:14:09,080
Speaker 2: that week, coach would say or coach oh, she would

2663
02:14:09,080 --> 02:14:10,080
Speaker 2: be like, all right, we got to cut up of

2664
02:14:10,080 --> 02:14:12,240
Speaker 2: all their third and threes. Third and six is third

2665
02:14:12,280 --> 02:14:16,200
Speaker 2: and ninees third and longs. Why don't you guys take

2666
02:14:16,240 --> 02:14:17,800
Speaker 2: a look at that. And that's what you could watch

2667
02:14:17,800 --> 02:14:20,640
Speaker 2: at home, you know, so you go on your iPad.

2668
02:14:20,840 --> 02:14:22,880
Speaker 2: Everything by the time I got out of the league

2669
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:28,920
Speaker 2: was digital, so you had everything broken down in every

2670
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:30,520
Speaker 2: kind of like situation.

2671
02:14:30,680 --> 02:14:31,280
Speaker 1: You can think.

2672
02:14:31,320 --> 02:14:33,000
Speaker 2: If you just want to see the DBS, you can

2673
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:35,160
Speaker 2: click in. All right, I want to see forty. I

2674
02:14:35,200 --> 02:14:37,520
Speaker 2: want to see twenty seven. I want to see all

2675
02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:42,000
Speaker 2: his passes defended versus third down. You could look at that.

2676
02:14:42,360 --> 02:14:44,000
Speaker 2: It got to that. I want to see all his

2677
02:14:44,160 --> 02:14:47,040
Speaker 2: plays on first down. I want to see all his

2678
02:14:47,320 --> 02:14:49,760
Speaker 2: cutups of anytime the ball was thrown at them. I

2679
02:14:49,760 --> 02:14:51,960
Speaker 2: want to see all the cutups of, you know, every

2680
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:54,920
Speaker 2: time this guy tackled. Like you could get into all that.

2681
02:14:55,600 --> 02:14:59,160
Speaker 2: For me individually, I leaned on a lot of you know,

2682
02:14:59,240 --> 02:15:01,600
Speaker 2: coach O Shee, he'd always have great cutups for us.

2683
02:15:01,640 --> 02:15:04,520
Speaker 2: That's that's how you determine if you had a good coach,

2684
02:15:05,320 --> 02:15:08,480
Speaker 2: or that's what you always saw from a good coach.

2685
02:15:08,520 --> 02:15:11,360
Speaker 2: They would always give you great cutups of things. That

2686
02:15:11,480 --> 02:15:13,720
Speaker 2: you know helped you with your games. So you know

2687
02:15:13,720 --> 02:15:15,200
Speaker 2: a lot of times you would sit there and you'd

2688
02:15:15,400 --> 02:15:18,200
Speaker 2: I just rewatch the stuff that Chad would put in

2689
02:15:18,240 --> 02:15:20,240
Speaker 2: our mind, and then I like to watch like a

2690
02:15:20,280 --> 02:15:23,400
Speaker 2: whole game. So I would like to watch the whole

2691
02:15:23,440 --> 02:15:26,680
Speaker 2: game of the guy the last three games. I'd watch

2692
02:15:26,680 --> 02:15:29,560
Speaker 2: his last three games just to see him throughout the game.

2693
02:15:29,840 --> 02:15:32,160
Speaker 1: You're just focusing on, like who your matchup is going

2694
02:15:32,200 --> 02:15:32,520
Speaker 1: to be.

2695
02:15:32,440 --> 02:15:36,520
Speaker 2: For specific, depending like out of work, Yes.

2696
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:37,480
Speaker 1: You're doing the one on one.

2697
02:15:37,560 --> 02:15:40,920
Speaker 2: I'm doing more one on one. Looking specific. I want

2698
02:15:40,920 --> 02:15:44,200
Speaker 2: to see if I can see any tendencies from the defense,

2699
02:15:44,400 --> 02:15:46,840
Speaker 2: the defensive back, the guy I'll be going against, maybe

2700
02:15:46,840 --> 02:15:51,000
Speaker 2: a linebacker on certain situations, and certain situations you know

2701
02:15:51,120 --> 02:15:53,640
Speaker 2: I would see. I would sit and watch them on

2702
02:15:53,760 --> 02:15:54,560
Speaker 2: all of those.

2703
02:15:54,560 --> 02:15:58,160
Speaker 4: Like let's say your specific matchup against a cornerback X.

2704
02:15:58,480 --> 02:16:01,520
Speaker 4: Would you ever break out of of the three prior games?

2705
02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:03,680
Speaker 4: Would you ever watch any film on them from earlier

2706
02:16:03,720 --> 02:16:05,000
Speaker 4: seasons or earlier in the.

2707
02:16:05,200 --> 02:16:06,960
Speaker 2: So that's what all the cutups would be.

2708
02:16:07,000 --> 02:16:08,480
Speaker 1: Okay, So the coaches would.

2709
02:16:08,320 --> 02:16:10,680
Speaker 2: Cut that up and show like their strengths and weaknesses,

2710
02:16:11,000 --> 02:16:12,680
Speaker 2: and you could see that. But you wouldn't know what

2711
02:16:12,760 --> 02:16:14,320
Speaker 2: part of the game it was. I mean, they'd have

2712
02:16:14,360 --> 02:16:16,880
Speaker 2: the cut up where they always hit the down and

2713
02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:21,720
Speaker 2: distance first. But sometimes I like to watch the flow

2714
02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:24,200
Speaker 2: of how this guy was flowing throughout the whole game,

2715
02:16:24,240 --> 02:16:26,640
Speaker 2: from first down to second down to third down. Does

2716
02:16:26,640 --> 02:16:29,120
Speaker 2: he get tired? Does he get lazy at the end

2717
02:16:29,160 --> 02:16:31,680
Speaker 2: of the game, when can I really strike him?

2718
02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:32,160
Speaker 1: You know?

2719
02:16:32,640 --> 02:16:34,920
Speaker 2: Does he do certain things at certain points of the game.

2720
02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:37,119
Speaker 2: Is he going to be you know, a run factor

2721
02:16:37,600 --> 02:16:39,680
Speaker 2: in all of the game or does this guy quit

2722
02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:41,920
Speaker 2: as the game gets on because he doesn't want to

2723
02:16:41,959 --> 02:16:44,600
Speaker 2: hit no more? Does he like you know, certain times

2724
02:16:44,640 --> 02:16:47,279
Speaker 2: of the year, a guy could be a completely different

2725
02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:52,280
Speaker 2: player from week one to week nine thirteen, you know,

2726
02:16:52,400 --> 02:16:56,000
Speaker 2: like a guy that struggled in the beginning could be

2727
02:16:56,080 --> 02:16:58,000
Speaker 2: you know, so if you're looking at all his struggle, shit,

2728
02:16:58,800 --> 02:17:01,560
Speaker 2: what he struggles with, he tightens that up until like

2729
02:17:01,640 --> 02:17:03,800
Speaker 2: and then he's playing like a completely different player. Which

2730
02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:05,280
Speaker 2: guys do they get better?

2731
02:17:05,360 --> 02:17:08,119
Speaker 1: They improve? You know cream season you.

2732
02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:09,800
Speaker 2: Get to watch it. I like to watch like the

2733
02:17:09,840 --> 02:17:12,520
Speaker 2: most recent because that's kind of like how he is

2734
02:17:12,600 --> 02:17:16,520
Speaker 2: physically right now. And then also injury stuff, you know,

2735
02:17:16,640 --> 02:17:19,200
Speaker 2: like if he's on the injury report. He's got an ankle.

2736
02:17:19,240 --> 02:17:21,039
Speaker 2: I want to see how he moves from last week

2737
02:17:21,080 --> 02:17:22,760
Speaker 2: with the ankle. I want to see you know what

2738
02:17:22,760 --> 02:17:24,800
Speaker 2: I mean. There's a lot of different ways of doing it.

2739
02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:26,959
Speaker 2: And then when you watch a lot with like say

2740
02:17:27,040 --> 02:17:30,520
Speaker 2: I watched a lot with Tom. Those a lot of

2741
02:17:30,520 --> 02:17:35,520
Speaker 2: those times it would be examples of not necessarily our film,

2742
02:17:36,240 --> 02:17:40,960
Speaker 2: it would be of their defense with other receivers running

2743
02:17:41,080 --> 02:17:45,720
Speaker 2: routes against their and other concept route concepts against their defense. Okay,

2744
02:17:45,920 --> 02:17:48,280
Speaker 2: So Tom would be like, hey, you see this when

2745
02:17:48,280 --> 02:17:50,880
Speaker 2: they were playing this team. You see how this receiver

2746
02:17:51,200 --> 02:17:55,720
Speaker 2: against this defense boes this way. And then he like,

2747
02:17:55,840 --> 02:17:58,039
Speaker 2: that's the kind of like one on one talk in

2748
02:17:58,160 --> 02:18:00,480
Speaker 2: film talk you would get with the quarterback. Or it'd

2749
02:18:00,520 --> 02:18:03,560
Speaker 2: be more like route running you'd watch with Tom. You'd

2750
02:18:03,560 --> 02:18:06,039
Speaker 2: watch a lot of one on ones of our tape

2751
02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:11,520
Speaker 2: against practice on just like reiterating how Tom liked how

2752
02:18:11,560 --> 02:18:13,840
Speaker 2: you ran the route. It didn't matter if you caught

2753
02:18:13,879 --> 02:18:15,640
Speaker 2: it or not, you know, because it's one on one,

2754
02:18:15,680 --> 02:18:18,440
Speaker 2: but just route technique. That was a lot of time

2755
02:18:18,520 --> 02:18:21,000
Speaker 2: where we would go in it with the quarterback to

2756
02:18:21,080 --> 02:18:23,879
Speaker 2: watch the one on ones to try to create the

2757
02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:26,800
Speaker 2: chemistry between the quarterback and the and the receiver.

2758
02:18:26,959 --> 02:18:29,200
Speaker 4: How did those sessions come about? Is that like a

2759
02:18:29,240 --> 02:18:30,720
Speaker 4: part of your schedule or is that like.

2760
02:18:32,640 --> 02:18:32,879
Speaker 1: Watch?

2761
02:18:33,160 --> 02:18:37,080
Speaker 2: So it would sometimes we would do that early in

2762
02:18:37,200 --> 02:18:40,800
Speaker 2: like we would schedule that part of those individual meetings

2763
02:18:40,840 --> 02:18:44,880
Speaker 2: when we break up into you know, all our own positions.

2764
02:18:45,280 --> 02:18:48,640
Speaker 2: Tom would sometimes come over in the quarterbacks, all the quarterbacks,

2765
02:18:48,640 --> 02:18:52,360
Speaker 2: we would watch all that film together, you know, depend

2766
02:18:52,440 --> 02:18:55,840
Speaker 2: our one on one film together, you know, and then

2767
02:18:55,879 --> 02:18:58,640
Speaker 2: a lot of the times, you know, sometimes Tom he

2768
02:18:58,680 --> 02:19:02,640
Speaker 2: would like to watch he'd watch film after you know,

2769
02:19:02,720 --> 02:19:04,720
Speaker 2: the practice and say, hey, you know, guys, why don't

2770
02:19:04,760 --> 02:19:07,240
Speaker 2: we just if we were you know, if there was

2771
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:12,920
Speaker 2: some uncertainty on certain plays or a certain game, or

2772
02:19:12,959 --> 02:19:15,840
Speaker 2: a certain scheme or a certain concept. It was a

2773
02:19:15,879 --> 02:19:17,240
Speaker 2: way for him to nail it down.

2774
02:19:18,040 --> 02:19:20,240
Speaker 4: Did you this might be like a more of a

2775
02:19:20,240 --> 02:19:22,920
Speaker 4: movie trope. Did you ever get any aha moments or

2776
02:19:23,000 --> 02:19:25,760
Speaker 4: really big takeaways that you were able to use in

2777
02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:28,120
Speaker 4: a game, like, oh, I was able to crack this

2778
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:29,720
Speaker 4: one thing, and I know that on this play of

2779
02:19:29,760 --> 02:19:31,520
Speaker 4: the situation, he's going to do this and take advantage

2780
02:19:31,520 --> 02:19:32,720
Speaker 4: of it. Or is that more of like kind of

2781
02:19:32,720 --> 02:19:34,040
Speaker 4: like a Hollywood movie type thing.

2782
02:19:34,360 --> 02:19:35,560
Speaker 1: No there, I mean.

2783
02:19:37,760 --> 02:19:41,200
Speaker 2: I remember all week and it you know, we'll be

2784
02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:45,080
Speaker 2: talking to Vince Willford soon. In that butt fumble game,

2785
02:19:45,879 --> 02:19:49,280
Speaker 2: that specific I had a touchdown on a on a

2786
02:19:49,360 --> 02:19:53,400
Speaker 2: post and it was this, uh, it was a blitz.

2787
02:19:54,600 --> 02:19:56,520
Speaker 2: It was some sort of blitz I forgot, like the

2788
02:19:56,560 --> 02:19:59,400
Speaker 2: actual terminology I'm going off of just straight memory right now,

2789
02:20:00,040 --> 02:20:03,920
Speaker 2: where we knew that that corner was gonna be flat

2790
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:10,720
Speaker 2: footed on that play with that's that specific situation. In

2791
02:20:10,760 --> 02:20:13,560
Speaker 2: that specific situation, they were gonna run this certain blitz

2792
02:20:14,120 --> 02:20:16,760
Speaker 2: where it was gonna be great for the post and

2793
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:19,200
Speaker 2: they would have to communicate and we we hit that

2794
02:20:19,440 --> 02:20:20,959
Speaker 2: like it happens a lot.

2795
02:20:21,080 --> 02:20:23,640
Speaker 4: And who is that who catches that kind of stuff

2796
02:20:23,680 --> 02:20:24,360
Speaker 4: or is it anyone?

2797
02:20:24,480 --> 02:20:25,840
Speaker 2: See that's what the coaches do.

2798
02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:27,680
Speaker 4: Have you ever caught anything like that and on a

2799
02:20:27,720 --> 02:20:29,760
Speaker 4: one to one matchup? Oh, if I know he's doing X,

2800
02:20:29,879 --> 02:20:30,680
Speaker 4: Y and Z, I.

2801
02:20:30,560 --> 02:20:32,560
Speaker 1: Get this piece of I mean, that's half. That's just

2802
02:20:32,560 --> 02:20:34,480
Speaker 1: always everything. That's always what you're doing.

2803
02:20:34,920 --> 02:20:36,879
Speaker 2: Like the coaches will like a lot of those times

2804
02:20:36,920 --> 02:20:42,000
Speaker 2: when say Josh McDaniel's on the offense, uh, in the offense,

2805
02:20:42,040 --> 02:20:45,000
Speaker 2: A meeting with the whole offense. Like when he has

2806
02:20:45,120 --> 02:20:49,080
Speaker 2: his cutups, he could have a play that he took

2807
02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:53,920
Speaker 2: from college or someone around the league against this specific defense,

2808
02:20:53,959 --> 02:20:58,640
Speaker 2: this specific team, you know, and and show another team

2809
02:20:58,720 --> 02:21:01,879
Speaker 2: executing something that we're going to install specifically to take

2810
02:21:01,920 --> 02:21:05,240
Speaker 2: advantage of that specific defense. We were a game plan team,

2811
02:21:05,320 --> 02:21:08,320
Speaker 2: so we had most of those, Like every week we

2812
02:21:08,360 --> 02:21:10,840
Speaker 2: had a cut up like that, where hey, these are

2813
02:21:10,879 --> 02:21:13,360
Speaker 2: plays we're going to bring in, or these are plays

2814
02:21:13,360 --> 02:21:15,959
Speaker 2: from the past against this specific this may be a

2815
02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:17,800
Speaker 2: new wrinkle that we want to bring that we've got

2816
02:21:17,800 --> 02:21:20,480
Speaker 2: from the college level, you know, the who Man and

2817
02:21:20,360 --> 02:21:24,720
Speaker 2: the Raven, those Bam of Baltimore formation thing like we

2818
02:21:24,760 --> 02:21:29,080
Speaker 2: saw that from college. A lot of copycat game plan

2819
02:21:29,160 --> 02:21:29,600
Speaker 2: type shit.

2820
02:21:29,800 --> 02:21:32,480
Speaker 3: We're talking a lot about film here, but can you

2821
02:21:32,520 --> 02:21:36,400
Speaker 3: speak to the importance of the cowboy clicker in NFL facilities.

2822
02:21:37,080 --> 02:21:40,520
Speaker 2: The cowboy clicker, which is what you see Shanahan holding

2823
02:21:40,600 --> 02:21:44,560
Speaker 2: right now, I mean that's everything. If you don't have

2824
02:21:44,600 --> 02:21:48,760
Speaker 2: a good cowboy clicker or like the buttons smashed or

2825
02:21:48,800 --> 02:21:52,680
Speaker 2: the button sticky, I mean, it could it could fuck

2826
02:21:52,760 --> 02:21:53,240
Speaker 2: up your day.

2827
02:21:53,360 --> 02:21:55,240
Speaker 4: You ever, like you ever, just get the frustrated and

2828
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:57,640
Speaker 4: just break a cowboy clicker like an Xbox controller.

2829
02:21:57,920 --> 02:22:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we'd have to have ted On and

2830
02:22:02,160 --> 02:22:05,920
Speaker 2: uh the film and I t p he like Jared

2831
02:22:05,959 --> 02:22:09,680
Speaker 2: and Teddy Bro. They they they've replaced a million clickers

2832
02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:09,959
Speaker 2: for me.

2833
02:22:10,480 --> 02:22:12,080
Speaker 4: I feel like you're the friend in high school. You

2834
02:22:12,160 --> 02:22:13,600
Speaker 4: go over his house and all of his Xbox and

2835
02:22:13,640 --> 02:22:16,200
Speaker 4: colors are just and mangled, but you just got Cowboy calls,

2836
02:22:16,280 --> 02:22:18,160
Speaker 4: just in piece Cowboy pieces and.

2837
02:22:19,240 --> 02:22:20,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I just dropped it.

2838
02:22:21,320 --> 02:22:28,760
Speaker 2: The real like the real say like lithium thing where

2839
02:22:28,800 --> 02:22:30,959
Speaker 2: it was like a rare thing was when you had

2840
02:22:30,959 --> 02:22:36,199
Speaker 2: the Cowboy clicker on the iPad. Whoa because the technology

2841
02:22:36,240 --> 02:22:39,840
Speaker 2: they got that technology late in like my career, when

2842
02:22:39,879 --> 02:22:42,840
Speaker 2: you got the Cowboy because the cow like it's good,

2843
02:22:42,879 --> 02:22:45,200
Speaker 2: do you it's not. It's just not as efficient when

2844
02:22:45,200 --> 02:22:47,920
Speaker 2: you have to go here here, and you're you're going

2845
02:22:48,040 --> 02:22:49,959
Speaker 2: here literally you're just right here and you want to

2846
02:22:50,120 --> 02:22:54,440
Speaker 2: you you rewind and fast forward, you fast forward, rewind,

2847
02:22:54,520 --> 02:22:57,120
Speaker 2: fast forward rewind so much. It has to be so

2848
02:22:57,280 --> 02:22:59,240
Speaker 2: dial because you're maybe you're just trying to see the

2849
02:22:59,280 --> 02:23:01,640
Speaker 2: step that the guy is taking and you want to

2850
02:23:01,640 --> 02:23:04,320
Speaker 2: see it a thousand times that dB when like when

2851
02:23:04,360 --> 02:23:07,840
Speaker 2: you're watching dB you'll sit and you'll see that first play,

2852
02:23:07,879 --> 02:23:11,119
Speaker 2: you'll press play and he'll step you rewind step rewind,

2853
02:23:11,720 --> 02:23:13,720
Speaker 2: but step, you know, like you want to see it.

2854
02:23:14,600 --> 02:23:15,880
Speaker 2: Next question, And that's what the Cowboys.

2855
02:23:16,000 --> 02:23:17,440
Speaker 3: Is there a moment that sticks out to you that's

2856
02:23:17,440 --> 02:23:19,800
Speaker 3: like the world record for rewinds and start overs, like

2857
02:23:19,800 --> 02:23:20,520
Speaker 3: in a team meeting.

2858
02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, co coach, I mean in time there was like

2859
02:23:24,600 --> 02:23:26,760
Speaker 2: bad football, as Ernie said.

2860
02:23:26,640 --> 02:23:28,360
Speaker 1: The quiet rewind back and forth.

2861
02:23:28,480 --> 02:23:32,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, the quiet rewind and like just straight straight like

2862
02:23:34,959 --> 02:23:38,000
Speaker 2: you just feel like your your lunch. Someone just spit

2863
02:23:38,080 --> 02:23:40,720
Speaker 2: and pooped in your lunch in.

2864
02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:41,520
Speaker 1: Front of everyone.

2865
02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:45,520
Speaker 2: Oh man, the one time where you think like the

2866
02:23:45,600 --> 02:23:47,800
Speaker 2: coach may not have seen that play, Oh it's on there,

2867
02:23:47,879 --> 02:23:50,279
Speaker 2: and then he slows and rewinds it a million times

2868
02:23:50,360 --> 02:23:52,440
Speaker 2: and it could be something stupid like Ernie said on

2869
02:23:53,200 --> 02:23:56,920
Speaker 2: you know, false start. I've seen a false start like

2870
02:23:57,040 --> 02:24:01,360
Speaker 2: rewind like maybe ten fifteen times in a row, like

2871
02:24:03,520 --> 02:24:06,960
Speaker 2: first and fifteen like and that's like there's four or

2872
02:24:07,040 --> 02:24:11,280
Speaker 2: five restarts in just what I said, the silent when

2873
02:24:11,320 --> 02:24:14,000
Speaker 2: he does when when the coach says nothing and it's

2874
02:24:14,040 --> 02:24:15,240
Speaker 2: just going back and forth.

2875
02:24:15,320 --> 02:24:16,400
Speaker 3: Let the rewind to do the talking.

2876
02:24:16,920 --> 02:24:18,240
Speaker 2: The rewind does the talking.

2877
02:24:19,040 --> 02:24:19,760
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

2878
02:24:20,080 --> 02:24:21,959
Speaker 4: I got one more before we wrap this up.

2879
02:24:22,000 --> 02:24:24,119
Speaker 1: I got to go, guy.

2880
02:24:24,160 --> 02:24:26,119
Speaker 4: How is it like when you first came into the league.

2881
02:24:26,320 --> 02:24:27,359
Speaker 4: You're talking DVDs?

2882
02:24:27,400 --> 02:24:29,840
Speaker 2: What's the Yeah, so you and you got to give

2883
02:24:29,840 --> 02:24:32,880
Speaker 2: a shout out to you know, all the film people

2884
02:24:33,040 --> 02:24:37,400
Speaker 2: and like it people Jerry, Jared and Teddy and we

2885
02:24:37,400 --> 02:24:40,600
Speaker 2: had foremos. They were like our guys. And early in

2886
02:24:40,600 --> 02:24:43,000
Speaker 2: the days, they do all the cutting up back in

2887
02:24:43,120 --> 02:24:45,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, they'll they'll do all like

2888
02:24:45,760 --> 02:24:48,240
Speaker 2: the it used to be like I don't know if

2889
02:24:50,440 --> 02:24:52,800
Speaker 2: a lot of the times it's like an offensive assistant

2890
02:24:53,040 --> 02:24:55,680
Speaker 2: where he has to go in and like he'll have

2891
02:24:55,760 --> 02:24:58,640
Speaker 2: to do all the typing m hm for like all right,

2892
02:24:58,680 --> 02:25:02,320
Speaker 2: what like Because if you watch a play on your iPad,

2893
02:25:03,360 --> 02:25:06,959
Speaker 2: you'll see you'll have it like lined out the coverage,

2894
02:25:07,080 --> 02:25:12,200
Speaker 2: the front, the situation, you'll see the time, you'll see

2895
02:25:12,520 --> 02:25:16,480
Speaker 2: the protection. You'll see the personnel group for offense personnel group.

2896
02:25:16,760 --> 02:25:20,040
Speaker 2: You'll see you'll see everything categorized on a spreadsheet on

2897
02:25:20,080 --> 02:25:22,000
Speaker 2: that thing, so you'll see all that. It all has

2898
02:25:22,040 --> 02:25:24,640
Speaker 2: to be put in by someone. So a lot of

2899
02:25:24,640 --> 02:25:28,959
Speaker 2: times that's like the offensive assistance and then the offensive

2900
02:25:28,959 --> 02:25:32,279
Speaker 2: assistants will work with the IT guys Jared and Teddy

2901
02:25:32,879 --> 02:25:35,440
Speaker 2: and like they'll do all like the designing of the

2902
02:25:35,440 --> 02:25:37,240
Speaker 2: cut ups. All right, well then we'll gather all the

2903
02:25:37,400 --> 02:25:37,920
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

2904
02:25:37,959 --> 02:25:40,520
Speaker 4: It's like a big deal. How do you even do

2905
02:25:40,600 --> 02:25:43,600
Speaker 4: that without the iPad? Like how you get a sheet

2906
02:25:44,040 --> 02:25:45,800
Speaker 4: against the DVD? Or is it baked in when you're

2907
02:25:45,800 --> 02:25:48,800
Speaker 4: watching the DVD? There's like a what you used to do?

2908
02:25:48,959 --> 02:25:51,400
Speaker 2: Like what I would do to Teddy and and Jared.

2909
02:25:51,440 --> 02:25:53,039
Speaker 2: I would go up to them and I'd be like, yo,

2910
02:25:53,080 --> 02:25:55,880
Speaker 2: give me Devon Best. I want all of his targets.

2911
02:25:55,879 --> 02:25:58,879
Speaker 2: I want to see and you know, because I used

2912
02:25:58,879 --> 02:26:01,000
Speaker 2: to like to see or give me Amon Doola when

2913
02:26:01,040 --> 02:26:03,160
Speaker 2: he was with the Rams. I want to see every

2914
02:26:03,200 --> 02:26:06,440
Speaker 2: target this guy has. I always liked watching how other

2915
02:26:06,480 --> 02:26:09,520
Speaker 2: guys got open and how other guys were getting production,

2916
02:26:10,200 --> 02:26:13,120
Speaker 2: to see if you could steal something from them. You

2917
02:26:13,160 --> 02:26:17,039
Speaker 2: know Eddie Royal shut out, Remember he used to he

2918
02:26:17,080 --> 02:26:19,240
Speaker 2: had a he had a few good years like at

2919
02:26:19,280 --> 02:26:21,240
Speaker 2: the slot position. I used to, you know, so like

2920
02:26:21,280 --> 02:26:23,000
Speaker 2: I'd always I'd say, hey man, can you give me

2921
02:26:23,040 --> 02:26:26,640
Speaker 2: all that? Or hey, uh, Teddy, Jerry, can you give

2922
02:26:26,680 --> 02:26:32,160
Speaker 2: me all the all the Kommardi UH, all the Kommardi

2923
02:26:34,080 --> 02:26:37,600
Speaker 2: plays where he's not in the one spot, so when

2924
02:26:37,640 --> 02:26:40,640
Speaker 2: he comes inside, you know you they would you know,

2925
02:26:40,920 --> 02:26:43,280
Speaker 2: and then and then because of the organization that they

2926
02:26:43,320 --> 02:26:44,960
Speaker 2: all have, they would go in and design the whole

2927
02:26:44,959 --> 02:26:46,600
Speaker 2: clip and they'd give you They print it out and

2928
02:26:46,600 --> 02:26:48,160
Speaker 2: burn it off on a DVD and they give you

2929
02:26:48,200 --> 02:26:49,000
Speaker 2: a DVD like.

2930
02:26:49,040 --> 02:26:51,440
Speaker 3: Say you asked for that at lunchtime on a Tuesday,

2931
02:26:51,480 --> 02:26:52,960
Speaker 3: like you're having that by the end of the day.

2932
02:26:53,920 --> 02:26:56,800
Speaker 2: Those guys were they there. They worked their dicks off

2933
02:26:57,200 --> 02:27:00,680
Speaker 2: like those people. All the people in the organization have

2934
02:27:00,840 --> 02:27:06,440
Speaker 2: their specialty the you know, the the catering people, the

2935
02:27:06,480 --> 02:27:12,680
Speaker 2: dietitian with Ted, the film the people that clean the

2936
02:27:13,200 --> 02:27:17,120
Speaker 2: you know, the after hours people that clean, the weight staff,

2937
02:27:17,520 --> 02:27:21,560
Speaker 2: the training staff, the upper division marketing staff, like everyone.

2938
02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:25,040
Speaker 2: It's crazy how many people go into running a football team.

2939
02:27:25,120 --> 02:27:26,119
Speaker 1: It's effort.

2940
02:27:26,120 --> 02:27:28,359
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's so much more to cover on this subject,

2941
02:27:28,360 --> 02:27:31,640
Speaker 4: but with time, Why don't people comment in the UH

2942
02:27:31,800 --> 02:27:34,560
Speaker 4: live a comment UH for any follow up questions, we

2943
02:27:34,640 --> 02:27:36,000
Speaker 4: might have to come back to this because it's such

2944
02:27:36,360 --> 02:27:37,920
Speaker 4: a rich part of football.

2945
02:27:38,720 --> 02:27:41,200
Speaker 2: Comment about this and learning how to watch film is

2946
02:27:41,480 --> 02:27:43,840
Speaker 2: a huge thing. Like some guys just watch film to

2947
02:27:43,879 --> 02:27:46,560
Speaker 2: watch film, but they don't know what they're watching. You know,

2948
02:27:46,800 --> 02:27:49,119
Speaker 2: when you're a young football player, if you can sneak

2949
02:27:49,200 --> 02:27:55,720
Speaker 2: in and watch you know an older vet what and

2950
02:27:55,920 --> 02:27:58,520
Speaker 2: And that's how I learned. I would just go, you know,

2951
02:27:59,000 --> 02:28:01,200
Speaker 2: pop my head and see what Tom was looking at,

2952
02:28:01,280 --> 02:28:03,879
Speaker 2: or what Wes was looking at, or or Randy was

2953
02:28:03,920 --> 02:28:06,440
Speaker 2: looking at, or Kevin was looking You know, that's how

2954
02:28:06,480 --> 02:28:08,760
Speaker 2: you learn how to watch film, because if you're watching

2955
02:28:08,760 --> 02:28:10,720
Speaker 2: the film, you're just watching to watch. You don't know

2956
02:28:10,760 --> 02:28:11,840
Speaker 2: what the hell you're watching.

2957
02:28:12,280 --> 02:28:13,760
Speaker 1: I watched film every Sunday on a ship.

2958
02:28:14,000 --> 02:28:16,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey you're a balldor come on, man, don't tell

2959
02:28:17,000 --> 02:28:19,240
Speaker 3: yourself short. But it's like sit catch.

2960
02:28:20,280 --> 02:28:22,280
Speaker 2: It's so crazy to me, Like I remember, I hear

2961
02:28:22,560 --> 02:28:26,720
Speaker 2: you watch these documentaries and you watch like Brett Farve

2962
02:28:26,760 --> 02:28:29,600
Speaker 2: didn't even know what a Nichol was until like his

2963
02:28:29,920 --> 02:28:32,080
Speaker 2: fifth sixth year, and Nichol will be in the third

2964
02:28:32,160 --> 02:28:35,560
Speaker 2: corner or or like I remember him talking about him

2965
02:28:35,640 --> 02:28:38,720
Speaker 2: learning how to watch film with a certain coach. You know,

2966
02:28:38,760 --> 02:28:42,080
Speaker 2: there's you gotta learn how to watch film because you

2967
02:28:42,480 --> 02:28:44,959
Speaker 2: can you can go in without a purpose and just

2968
02:28:45,000 --> 02:28:48,960
Speaker 2: become so overwhelmed. Facts, that was awesome and that was

2969
02:28:49,000 --> 02:28:52,080
Speaker 2: the chill zwe thanks to our favorite beer, cores Light,

2970
02:28:52,160 --> 02:28:55,240
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2971
02:28:55,320 --> 02:28:58,960
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2972
02:28:59,560 --> 02:29:00,440
Speaker 1: Well what game?

2973
02:29:00,600 --> 02:29:06,520
Speaker 2: Thanks again to Ernie. The overlooked super Bowl, which it

2974
02:29:06,600 --> 02:29:09,840
Speaker 2: really is. Yes, you know, no one. I mean the

2975
02:29:09,879 --> 02:29:12,800
Speaker 2: first one's the first. The back to backs are back

2976
02:29:12,840 --> 02:29:15,440
Speaker 2: to back, and then our three we didn't go back

2977
02:29:15,440 --> 02:29:17,440
Speaker 2: to back, but they all had their own little storyline.

2978
02:29:17,480 --> 02:29:20,160
Speaker 2: In general, this is an overlooked super Bowl, which was

2979
02:29:20,200 --> 02:29:23,600
Speaker 2: a really good super Bowl. A really fun storyline too

2980
02:29:23,640 --> 02:29:28,560
Speaker 2: between like an underdog new team with the Panthers. I

2981
02:29:28,560 --> 02:29:30,360
Speaker 2: mean they were one and fifteen and he said a

2982
02:29:30,440 --> 02:29:32,760
Speaker 2: bad one in fifteen, two years before this, and then

2983
02:29:32,760 --> 02:29:35,800
Speaker 2: they're in the super Bowl. That's that's a beauty of NFL.

2984
02:29:36,959 --> 02:29:40,600
Speaker 2: Thanks again to Duncan. This house has been awesome. The

2985
02:29:40,640 --> 02:29:44,080
Speaker 2: studio is amazing. We have donuts up, the Ying Yang

2986
02:29:44,440 --> 02:29:49,360
Speaker 2: coffee everywhere. I am so sugar and caffeinated up that

2987
02:29:49,480 --> 02:29:52,240
Speaker 2: I just want to just shoot so many podcasts.

2988
02:29:52,840 --> 02:29:55,080
Speaker 4: I just want to coach the Lions.

2989
02:29:56,440 --> 02:29:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm jacked and pumped, all right, let's wrap this thing up.

2990
02:30:00,160 --> 02:30:03,680
Speaker 2: All right, guys. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever

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