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Speaker 1: Have you heard, Well, sure you have, because everybody is talking.

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Speaker 1: Justin Trudeau has a new girlfriend, and everybody seems to

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Speaker 1: be talking about that. But Justin Trudeau also has a wife.

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Speaker 1: She's talking too.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: You know what, we like this lady. And with that,

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Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes.

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Speaker 2: We celebrating, right.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people are very excited about Justin Trudeau

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Speaker 1: and Katy Perry dating Canadians. It's fun. It makes sense.

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Speaker 1: They're available, both recently out of long term relationships. This

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Speaker 1: seemed to be something people endorsed.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they look great together. I think everyone they look

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Speaker 3: happy together. And it's been interesting because they are official,

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Speaker 3: I guess because they made the choice to walk out

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Speaker 3: of that cabaret show hand in hand. It was her birthday,

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Speaker 3: so they never actually released a statement or put anything

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Speaker 3: on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait, do they have to, babe?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, because when you walk out of

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Speaker 3: a restaurant on your birthday when you know, speculation because

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Speaker 3: there were some other photos that were taken earlier, a

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Speaker 3: month or so prior, and so yes, they made the decision.

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Speaker 4: But I guess they're calling this a soft launch of

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Speaker 4: a relationship.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to talk about it, but just the

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Speaker 3: mere act of holding your hand. You know, the paparazzi's

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Speaker 4: And now you're.

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Speaker 1: Saying, okay, I want to put that to RESK because

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Speaker 1: they haven't officially done whatever, put out some statement these

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Speaker 1: two are dating.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, we're good, Yes, all right.

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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure I'm not missing something here,

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Speaker 1: because there were some people even wanting to be cautious,

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Speaker 1: if you will, after they walked out holding hands. What

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Speaker 1: else are we talking about here other than that? Okay,

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Speaker 1: thank you for tearing.

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Speaker 3: All that of one of those What else could it be?

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Speaker 3: So even by process of elimination, obviously they're dating.

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Speaker 1: So through all this and romes, I didn't keep up,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't realize. It's been two years since the

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Speaker 1: announcement of Justin Trudeau's separation from his still but a

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Speaker 3: Right. Yes, her name is Sophie greg Guar. I'm not

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Speaker 3: really good at French names, but yeah, Sophie greg War.

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Speaker 3: She's fifty years old. They announced their separation in August

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Speaker 4: So yes, more than two years ago.

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Speaker 1: So that was a big deal at the time. He

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Speaker 1: time of that announcement. These two have been together for

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Speaker 1: a long time. She has been a part of national politics.

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Speaker 1: People know her. She had her own career in journalism,

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Speaker 1: she's an advocate. So this was a This was their camelot,

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Speaker 1: if you will. He comes from a family and it

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Speaker 1: has a whole background. Everything's great. How old are the.

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Speaker 3: Kids they are right now, I've got their ages, so

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Speaker 3: eighteen years of eighteen years of marriage. And yes they

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Speaker 3: have Xavier who's eighteen, Ella Grace who is sixteen, and

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Speaker 1: Okay, now they announced their separation and I think folk

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Speaker 1: we don't follow that closely politics in Canada, but we

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Speaker 3: Sucked or this, as you mentioned, like the camelot of Canada.

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Speaker 4: They were a beautiful couple.

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Speaker 3: She was a former model, TV presenter, so yes, they

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Speaker 4: And I think especially when you see them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you look great, you seem great.

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Speaker 3: Everyone wants to believe you are great because we all,

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Speaker 3: they figured it out. Look how happy they are. Maybe

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Speaker 2: You know, That's what it was.

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Speaker 1: But even when that happened, right robes. Look, we're used

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Speaker 4: No, it didn't seem like that was the case at all.

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Speaker 3: And in fact, they both put out statements and they

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Speaker 3: No scandal, there were no rumors, there was no whispering,

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Speaker 1: So here we go fast forward and Robes, I forgot

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Speaker 1: But I didn't think about it again until I see

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Speaker 3: I mentioned it to you and you were like, please,

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Speaker 3: What was the next thing, because then they found well,

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Speaker 3: first of all, after that dining together in that Montreal restaurant,

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Speaker 3: then Justin Trudeau was spotted in the crowd at Perry's

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Speaker 4: But they were there at her concert.

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Speaker 3: And then there were some pictures, some paparazzi pictures of

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Speaker 1: Okay. The daughter thing I could explain away as well. Right,

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Speaker 1: his daughter wants to go see Katy Perry. Hey, I

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Speaker 4: It was Katy Perry's yacht.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but it was obvious that it was.

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Speaker 4: Yes, they they seemed like they were more than friends.

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Speaker 2: They looked friendly. Were there other people? Was he one

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Speaker 2: They were what was it last month?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Paris her birthday, Paris the Crazy Horse, Perry's birthday,

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Speaker 3: dressed to impress. He had a dark suit on. They

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Speaker 4: They were ready. This was their announcement without having to

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Speaker 1: Okay, And that's fine. And to your point, that picture

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Speaker 3: Yes, we were about to make it official without having

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Speaker 1: So as we have been watching I guess robes that

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Speaker 4: Yes, his a stranged wife.

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Speaker 3: don't know how it works in Canada, but oftentimes, as

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, these two had been married for eighteen

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Speaker 3: She said, I don't know how you stay cool, and

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Speaker 3: She's trying to get her to say that I'm upset, okay,

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Speaker 1: Should I stop there about that point? I don't know

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Speaker 1: Why or what point can anyone stop being upset at

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Speaker 3: I mean I think that out of respect for the

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Speaker 4: Of course, there might be.

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Speaker 3: everyone for listening to us.

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Speaker 4: I maybe Robock alongside TJ. Holmes, we will talk to

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Speaker 4: uls