1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: And what was it called? And you know she clearly 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: knows it is going to What is n l T 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: stand for? That's my next question, stand for n not 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: like them? Not like them? Yeah, okay, yep. All boy 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: band names are good. That's the thing about boy bands. 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: They all make sense and they're all good. Hi. My 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: name is Jenna and I'm Kevin, and we are best friends. 8 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: Give me a break. Hello everybody, it's me Brian Baumgartner here, 9 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: and welcome back to another episode of Off the Beat. 10 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: Today we have not one, No, we have two amazing guests, 11 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: a threesome if you will. Kevin McHale and Jenna Ushkowitz 12 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: will join me today. I am so excited to talk 13 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: to them. They are both old friends of mine. You 14 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: might know them from their time on Glee as Artie 15 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: and Tina because correct me if I'm wrong here. But 16 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: it is just one of those shows that everyone knows, 17 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: whether it's for the crazy storylines, the incredible cast, or 18 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: well that it came from genius Ryan Murphy. If you 19 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: can dream it, it happened on Glee. I'm excited to 20 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: jump right in here. We talk about their origins. Kevin's 21 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: boy band, Jenna's Broadway career and how their friendship has 22 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: led them to their new Rewatch podcast, and that's what 23 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: you really missed. And most of all, you're gonna hear 24 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: all about Kevin's role on the office. That's right. As 25 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: a Kevin on the office myself, I think we just well, 26 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 1: we just get each other. This is a fun one. 27 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: Let's bring them on, Kevin and Jenna, everybody. Bubble and Squeak. 28 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 1: I love it. Bubble and squeak on Bubble and Squeaker 29 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: cookie every month, left over from the nut before. What's 30 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: up you guys? How are you? I mean, it's been 31 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: so long four years eighty four years. Wow, great to 32 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: see both of you. You too immediately brings back memories. Good, yeah, 33 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: really good ones. Um some of them we can't tell, 34 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: but many, many good ones. So this is my first 35 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: threesome by the way it is. It's usually one on 36 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: one here, but we're going we're going threesome today more 37 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: than Mary. So I'm going to spend most of the 38 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: time talking about when you guys were reborn, when you 39 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: were reborn, meeting the day the two of you met 40 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: and started working together. But I did want to go 41 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: back a little bit briefly individually. I guess ladies first, Jenna, 42 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: your childhood, when did you start becoming interested in the arts? Well, um, 43 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: I was always interested in the arts, I think, but 44 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: I was put into the business when I was three. 45 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: So I was doing commercials and print ads from three on. 46 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: And my first commercial was like the Toys r US commercial, 47 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: and then I started doing Sesame Street. And then right 48 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: around the age of nine, I auditioned for my first 49 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: Broadway musical. And I had done school plays and things 50 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: like that before, and I had done, you know, some commercials, 51 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: but like, this is a totally different caliber of work. 52 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: So I auditioned for The King and I um revival 53 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: with lou Diamond Phillips and Donna Murphy, and um, somehow 54 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: I booked it. There were fifteen kids, and somehow I 55 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: booked it. You did a number of shows on Broadway 56 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: when you were very young, including Spring Awakening. Now was 57 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: your future uh CO star involved at that time or no? Yes? Yes, 58 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: so Lee was in the original LeeAnne Groff both were 59 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: in the original cast of Spring Awakening, obviously, and then 60 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: I joined at the tail end of their run and 61 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: into the new cast. So basically I got a taste 62 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: of both casts of Spring Awakening. But yes, I was 63 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: there and Leah and I. Leo was on Broadway doing 64 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: le Miss when I was doing The King, and I 65 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: as well, so we had known each other since that time. Really, yes, 66 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: a little young a zette. She went with her friends. 67 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: She was old. It feels, you know, to feel appropriate 68 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: for her character to be like I played because at 69 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 1: the ripe age of eight. Wow, so you were on Broadway. 70 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: Did you grow up in New York? Yeah, I grew 71 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: up on Long Island, so I was very close to this, 72 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: a straight shot to the city, if you will, right, 73 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: And this was I mean, when you're three and you're 74 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: put into things, this is not a choice, This is 75 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: not a pass. Yet by the time you're nine, are 76 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: you full? You're full? I am, I am in, I 77 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: am locked and loaded. Um. Honestly, it was like the 78 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: Broadway camaraderie and family experience of doing a show um 79 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: of that size. It was like fifty two cast members 80 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: or something crazy like that. I was in love. I 81 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: was the My parents will tell you I was the 82 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: one first one at the theater and the last one out. 83 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: They'd be like, where is Jenna? Please? Let because they 84 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: didn't let the parents backstage, so they waited at the 85 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: stage door. For me, it was a three hour show, 86 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: and they'd be like, can can she please come out 87 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: and leave? They wouldn't let them backstage. Is brilliant, It 88 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: is brilliant, brilliant that normal. And they can because we 89 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: have wranglers a backstage that are hired to take care 90 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: of us. So when the wranglers bring us to the door, okay, 91 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: and they're like, keep these crazy stage parents away. Now. 92 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: I haven't talked to anybody about this. I've talked to 93 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: plenty of people who did see it or but not 94 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: now are you are you schooling at this time as well? Well? 95 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: So during rehearsals, during the six week rehearsal I was doing, Um, 96 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: we were home schooled, were tutored on set basic set. Yeah. 97 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: I was nine, I was in fourth grade, and so 98 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: I would go to school and then I would go 99 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: do the show, except for Wednesdays when they let me 100 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: my parents let me take off because I had a matinee. 101 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: Were you were you doing all of them? Yeah? Time 102 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: you didn't have a double cast. No, it's it's I 103 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: think it's like six or seven that you can do it. Um, 104 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: you can do the full show. So I was doing 105 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: the full eight shows. My parents were driving me back 106 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: and forth every day, and then I would go to 107 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: school and then they picked me up and we drove 108 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: to the city. Wow. Yeah that is insane. It's pretty 109 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: feel so bad for your parents. Yeah, I know. I 110 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: mean I was doing not to make this about me, 111 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: but I was doing the eight shows a week thing 112 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: as well. But when I was fully able to drive 113 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: myself or get myself somewhere, I wasn't reliant on I 114 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: mean that's significant. Yes, yeah, it's hard because a lot 115 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: of parents kids were like, I want to do that, 116 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of parents would ask my parents like 117 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: how do you do it? And my dad was able 118 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: to work out of the offices when cell phones were 119 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: just starting to like be a thing and um pagers. 120 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: Remember if I would get a call back, my agent 121 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: would page my dad and then we have to call 122 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: them back. But like, you know, it was just one 123 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: of those times where my my mom had stopped working 124 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: when she had my brother and me and so like 125 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: or when they adopted me. But like when you know, 126 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: she was able to take me up to the auditions 127 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: and my dad would wait in the car circle around 128 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: or double park and like work while he was doing that. 129 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: So it was a real commitment from both parties. Someone 130 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: I just talked to brought something up to me. I've 131 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 1: never thought of it this way before. This was his theory. 132 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: Our education system is set up in a flawed manner 133 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: in that we go to school with people exactly our 134 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: same age, like within a twelve month period of time. 135 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: And he talked to me about the arts in the theater. 136 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: You are socially and in some ways in terms of 137 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: even your real education, if you're doing set school or whatever, 138 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: you have the experience and the perspective of people with 139 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: such a wide range. And isn't that a much more 140 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: natural way actually of being educated and growing up? Did 141 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: you start to feel that and you were doing shows? 142 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: I agree. I think that's an interesting point. It's um 143 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: being surrounded by kids where I was somewhat they're elder 144 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: and then also kids that were a little bit older 145 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: than me. Um, but also being around adults, like being 146 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: around cast members that kind of took us under their wing, 147 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: that played our mothers that we're probably in their early 148 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: twenties at that point, you know, mid twenties dancers and 149 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: like I felt like I got I got a lot 150 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: more world experience than the kids around me, and that 151 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: I was going back to school with every day, and 152 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: I felt like just my my world experience was bigger 153 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: and more expansive. And I absolutely agree with you. I 154 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: think it is a fascinating idea. And my husband was 155 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: in education, he would love this, um but it's it's 156 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: it's definitely something that I attest to. The groundedness that 157 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: I learned at a young age, the humilia I learned 158 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: at at a young age, the discipline I learned at 159 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: that point. So I am a pent on board with that, 160 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: and I think about that for like my daughter, like 161 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: what what can I share with her through the arts 162 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: or through these experiences that I had being around adults 163 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: at a younger age more than like kids my own age. 164 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: And I think like being around you know, of course 165 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: we go to school with the kids because you're supposed 166 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: to be in this developmental age where everything is everybody 167 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: is developing at the same time. But that's not it. 168 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: That's not it either, Like babies don't develop at the 169 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: same time. You're one baby is you know, rolland and 170 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: one baby isn't like it's not. It's the standardized testing 171 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: bullshit that we you know, we have in our you know, 172 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: us education system that's quite flawed. So right, No, but 173 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: even what you say, like even just the valuable experience 174 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: of dealing with kids who are younger. They're not teaching 175 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: you algebra, but they're certainly teaching you, you know, and 176 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: you're showing you the world like things right exactly, and 177 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: and social interactions and yes, as you said, people who 178 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: are older as well, and even adults who well, maybe 179 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: sometimes they're not teaching you the right things to do, 180 00:11:54,280 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: but at least you learn through failure and bad experience. Um. Fascinating. 181 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: Kevin High, not Hot, not New York, but Texas you 182 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: were born and raised. Talk to me a little bit 183 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: about your introduction into the arts and at what age 184 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: did you realize this is what you wanted to do. 185 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: I don't really have a memory with me not being 186 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: interested in the arts. I didn't realize until much later, though, 187 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: that it was something that I could pursue as more 188 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: than just a hobby or an interest. I don't know 189 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: if it was just being from Texas or that I 190 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: was just a little slow or something, but I was, 191 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: like you know famous people do that like this is 192 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: I. I I wanted to be a meteorologist or an architect. 193 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: That was my plan. But I was always I was 194 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: obsessed with MTV and music was my thing. Like I 195 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: would always sing around the house. I would watch music 196 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: videos and study. I would like I would learn all 197 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: the dances, all the choreography, mimic their movements and how 198 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: they performed. And I had I was the youngest of four. 199 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: I am the youngest of four and we're all very 200 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: spread out. So I also had a really um great 201 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: education and diversity of music because all of my siblings 202 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: listening to different things. And so I would go to 203 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: school and I would know these artists that no going 204 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: to sort of what you were just talking about, Jenna, 205 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: Education about being around people different ages. I had this 206 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: breadth of musical knowledge that no one else my age did, 207 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: and I valued that really early on. But then my 208 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: sister became an agent in Texas. She's sixteen years older 209 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: than me. She became an acting agent, and I remember 210 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: she was telling me they're auditioning for this movie. It 211 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: was a sequel two, a movie that I had loved, 212 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: and I was like, I want audition for it. What 213 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: was the movie. It was they're making a sequel to 214 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:01,359 Speaker 1: Little Rascals. I don't think it ever got made, um, 215 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: because they saw me like, you know, let's not even bother. 216 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: This is five now, what do you mean a sequel? 217 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: So the Little Rascals that came out when we were kids, 218 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: and like in the nineties that Little Rascals. There was 219 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: the reboot of the Little Rascals. Yeah, not o g. 220 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: Little Rascal was like, like I was a huge fan 221 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: of just got a facelift, he's got a lot of 222 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: work done. Yeah, I look very good when you met me. 223 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: I definitely was not seventeen um, And so I forced her. 224 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: She was not like a children's agent either. She was, 225 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, an adult agent, and she I somehow wore 226 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: her down and that they let me audition and then 227 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: her agency signed me, you know, nepotism and ever then 228 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: I started doing commercials in Dallas and things, and starting 229 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: singing lessons and dance lessons, and then she sort of 230 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: suggested to my parents that, you know, maybe take me 231 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: out to l A to try it. And we came 232 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: out to l A. I think it was thirteen the 233 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: first time. Okay, what year is this? Uh? Where was 234 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: I born. It was probably like two thou three. You 235 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: were born on June. Yeah, so I think we started 236 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: coming out here like two thousand two or two dozen three. 237 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: I just remember we drove to l A from Dallas, 238 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: and when we drove back entering Dallas, I started to 239 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: cry because I didn't want to be there, and I 240 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: just felt so at home in l A and that 241 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: everything felt artistic. You know. Going back to middle school 242 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: in Texas, it was just football and I didn't do 243 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: anything extracurricular at school. Everything was outside of it. In 244 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: l A. Everyone was already doing that. And so because 245 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: I was the youngest, my parents and I we moved 246 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: out here sort of with the opposite mindset of stage parents, 247 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: where they were like, we want to get the hell 248 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: out of Texas. You want to get the hell out 249 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: of Texas. So it was just I'm gonna go to 250 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: high school and l A and see what happens. And 251 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: I go on auditions, but if it happens, it happens, 252 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: and if it doesn't, it doesn't, and then you know, 253 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: I got into a boy band and things. That's where 254 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: we're going next. But I just I don't want to 255 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: make this awkward you would have been three to seven 256 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: years old. Were you aware of me? I went to 257 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: SMU in Dallas. Were you aware of my you know, 258 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: my prowess. I don't know what the word is. I'm 259 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: looking for everybody. Did you feel the energy of me 260 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: and for those few years? Yeah, maybe that's why you 261 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: cried later on because I had left already. Yeah, it's 262 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: well he's not here, so what's the point. What is 263 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: the point? Um? Yes, I was there for four years. 264 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: SMME has turned out some greats. SMU has turned out 265 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: some grades right now? Me? Um No, Cathy Bates, Cathy Bates. 266 00:16:55,400 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: Of course we're garson. I think that's right. Some grades. Okay, 267 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: boy band? So you go, Now do you leave school? 268 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: You can't leave school. You have to still be going 269 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: to school a thirteen, you have to. So you you 270 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: go to school out in California. We end up moving 271 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: to calif When when I was okay, it took a 272 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: couple of years to decide, like what are we going 273 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: to do? My brother, closest an age to me, you know, 274 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: went to college and so we're like, okay, well now 275 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: I'm basically an only child. What do you guys want 276 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: to do? Ever since my dad lost his job in 277 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: two thousand one, so he was sort of popping around, 278 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: you know, when all that sort of like telecom thing 279 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: he did sort of busted a little bit, and so 280 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: everyone's looking for a change. I was obsessive boy bands, 281 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: obsessive pop music, and there was a random audition. Um. 282 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: I had a dance agent at the time, which is 283 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: hilarious in hindsight because I'm not a dance agent. Yeah, 284 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know those existed. Was to be a band artist, 285 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: I don't think it was. I didn't think it was. 286 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: Like again, boy bands like Instinct, Bactory boys were sort 287 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: of like done. The craze was over. So I was 288 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: like I missed the boat. And then someone held auditions 289 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: and I showed up and got it, and then was 290 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: in a boy band from like fourteen until nineteen basically, 291 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: and what was it called and general? You know, she 292 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: clearly knows it is going to What is n LT 293 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: stand for? That's my next question. Does it stand for Ken? 294 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: Not like Them? Not like them? Yea, m hmm, okay, yep. 295 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: All boy band names are good. That's the thing about 296 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: boy bands. They all make sense and they're all good. 297 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: So okay, there's so much to want Packer. Well, your 298 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: friend here is doing Broadway musicals. You're in a boy band. 299 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: You love it though you always wanted to be in 300 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: a boy band. We're loving boys. This is a dream 301 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: for you, and you're in it for four or five years. Now, 302 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: are you touring? We did. We eventually did a little 303 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: touring when we were young. There wasn't that much going 304 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:10,239 Speaker 1: nowhere like internationally. It was just the Usum, yeah, a 305 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: lot of that. We did two tours. The first tour 306 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: we were in one eight hundred Cruise America r V. 307 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: Following around we opened up for the Pussycat Dolls. So yeah, 308 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: I've heard. I want to be very very clear, I 309 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: am not making fun of Albuquerque. Okay, I want to. 310 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: I want that on the record here before anything, before anything. 311 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: It's not New York City Broadway hashtag love Albuquerque. I 312 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: was more saying, are you are you going to Paris 313 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: or Mexico City or are we going to Albuquerque? Okay? Now, 314 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: it was definitely very local. One Cruise America tells the 315 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: story there, um okay. And then the second tour was 316 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: what the second we had no we had proper tour 317 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: buses and at that point, A couple of are people 318 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: had ideas to put boy bands together. So we went 319 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: on like a boy band tour the house of blues 320 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: all around America. Yeah, it wasn't very successful. I think 321 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: are there across there used to be a lot there was. 322 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: It was a time there were pop ups too. Yeah, 323 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: it was before they all started closing. But yeah, we 324 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: went all over the place. That was a while. And 325 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: I relate to what Jenna was saying about being around 326 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: older people in that time because we were the youngest 327 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: people around. The music business is way I don't know 328 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: if I can cuss, but crappier you want. It's shittier 329 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: than the acting business. There's no equity, there's no sag 330 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: or after a it's just every man for themselves. And 331 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: my parents are all of our parents and that at 332 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: that time. We're all very aware of that and very protective. 333 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: So they did a good job with that. But it's 334 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: just like deals are bad, everyone's screwing you over. We had, 335 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, we'd go to New York audition for record labels, 336 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: and so we had to learn as fifteen sixteen year 337 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: olds how to be around these people and how to 338 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: operate professionally. And be a performer. And in high school 339 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 1: then I was during the daytime going to class, at 340 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: nighttime going to the recording studio, going we got signed 341 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: to Geffen, which was under Interscope, and so I remember 342 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: there was a party we went and I met Stevie 343 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: Nicks and Mary J. Blige. And then the next day 344 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: going to school and no one has any idea that 345 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: this is like what I'm doing at nighttime. That's crazy, 346 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: But it was a very good. It was a really 347 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: good education, especially with Glee coming because I did the 348 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: touring and did the dance rehearsals, like recording studio, all 349 00:21:44,359 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: of that. Don't don't take my tease, Damn. Are you 350 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: a fan of Broadway musicals as a boy band member? 351 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: Are you disdainful or dismissive or uninterested of that? I 352 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: was probably mostly uninterested, uninterested. I grew up. My mom 353 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: took me to every touring show that came through Dallas. 354 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: I was obsessed with fan of the opera as a kid. Yeah, 355 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: I'd put on shows in my living room. But besides that, 356 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: I didn't nessarily have an interest um in keeping up 357 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: with it what was happening on Broadway. I didn't really 358 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: know that world. Yeah, there was not so much more 359 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: of an indifference, I guess for the musical theater. Okay. 360 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: And now the same token, Jenna, as you're someone who's 361 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: performing on Broadway. Now are you a fan of boy 362 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: bands at this time? Are you? Are you? Yeah? I 363 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: didn't know an LT. I didn't do I did no 364 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: Dream Street, okay, And I did know obviously in sinking 365 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: back try boys? Who are they? No? I was kidding, Okay, 366 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: So I wasn't big. I was able. Oh so you 367 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: were a fan? Okay, definitely. It wasn't what I expected 368 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: you to say, but actually both of you said when 369 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: I didn't, which is why we asked the questions. I know. 370 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: That's that's really interesting. So before we get to you, guys, 371 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: is meeting you guys the time you guys met Kevin, 372 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: I actually met you before. Jenna, you were a very 373 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: significant guest star on the Office when you were seventeen 374 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: ish years of age. How was that experience for you 375 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: the delivery boy I believe it was your title pizza 376 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: delivery boy from Alfredo's. What was that experience to like 377 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: for you? And how much experience did you have at 378 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: that time in film and television. It sounds like not 379 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: a lot, not a lot. It was I think my 380 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: second guest star thing ever. The other one was Zoe 381 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: one on one on Nickelodeon. And yeah, it was a 382 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: really really big thing for me. The audition process was 383 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,719 Speaker 1: unlike anything I'd ever experienced, where the callbacks we were 384 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: in the room with Steve and he came in and 385 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: read with us. You know, Steve Correll. I'll just say, 386 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: Steve Um. I was dying. I was so terrified. Really 387 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: were you? Were you a fan of the show. Oh, yeah, 388 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: I was. And I was a fan of the the 389 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: UK version, like I was all about it. And Alison Jones, 390 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: the casting director, is probably the only reason why I've 391 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: had any sort of career because she, when no one 392 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: else did, kept giving me chances on everything. So I 393 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: got really close and super bad she and then she 394 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: just you know, as if you get on TV and 395 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: you become semi recognizable, you get to skip a couple 396 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: rounds of auditioning and you just get brought into the 397 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: later rounds. I didn't have any reason to get brought 398 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: into automatically too later rounds for things. She just started 399 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,479 Speaker 1: doing that for me because somehow she believed in me, 400 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: and it I really took that to heart and made 401 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: me feel better when I would go into these rooms 402 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: that she would bring me into. But yeah, I went 403 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: in an auditioned with Steve and got it and I 404 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: screamed and was freaking out. And then all of you 405 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: were just so so awful, no so nice. I mean 406 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: I was. I was so intimidated obviously coming in there. 407 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: It's like, these are these professional adults and they're all 408 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: talented and funny, and I felt like, you know, severe 409 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: case of imposter syndrome. And everyone went out of their 410 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: way to make me feel comfortable, to make me feel 411 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: like I deserve to be there, every one of you, 412 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: and um, it was just really really great. And also 413 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: what a great gig you guys had, because I mean, Jennet, 414 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: those sets were pre lit, like, oh my god, the 415 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: way they could set up something so quickly. They were 416 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: on their own, they had their own stage. Oh god, 417 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: it was the dream. So you ruined it for anything 418 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: else because I feel like you also gotten still. Oh, 419 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: I get recognized so often from that one episode, and 420 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: it's it's absolutely I don't know how you go anywhere 421 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: because I was in one episode and you still do. 422 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: I can't, by the way, but you still do. Oh yeah, 423 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's a lot crazy because I went back 424 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: and looked at those pictures and you do look quite different. Yeah, 425 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: I mean you are older, let's be clear. So am I. 426 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: I guess that's how time works. I'll explain it to 427 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: you later. Wow, well that is very very interesting. Yeah, 428 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: I would I don't know that I would have thought 429 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: that with with everything that's coming after. Still, so you guys, 430 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: just say the least you have a very diverse training 431 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: and backgrounds. Talk to me about Glee. How did the 432 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: opportunities come up for both of you? Um? Were these 433 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: just auditions first off? Yes? Regular? Okay? And what did 434 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 1: you have to do? Obviously? Did you have to dance 435 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: as well as sing as well? As you? Did? Not know? 436 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: And they realized that was probably a mistake later on, 437 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: how to bring in some people who could dance, like 438 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: nobody can dance, not one, not even everybody can sing 439 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: that we um. No, I was in the Spring. I 440 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: was in Spring Awakening. At the time. It was the 441 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: same casting director Jim Carnahan in New York who cast 442 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: Spring Awakening was also casting the New York side of Glee, 443 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: and so we had it was all a buzz in 444 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: theater and they were like, Oh, there's this new musical 445 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: theater TV show that's coming out, and everybody got brought 446 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: in for it because the pilot also was like some 447 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: of these characters like Argentina were pretty non specific, and 448 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: so I went in and um, everybody went in and 449 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: we didn't have to sing for our first audition because 450 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: they were like, I guess you're on Broadway. I guess 451 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: you can sing. So I didn't have to sing in 452 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: my first call. Um, I just went on PA and 453 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: just read, just read lines like any other show. Yeah. Yeah, 454 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: And literally Tina's only line was a stutter and she said, uh, 455 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: and that's it. That was my entire audition first Underson, God, 456 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: that's all you did. They didn't give you anything else. 457 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: That that's it. That was it. Wow. I'm not going 458 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: to say anything bad but that they've got to be 459 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: more creative than that. This is poor people, Okay, Yeah, 460 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: I mean literally, by a weird stutter on one day, 461 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: your entire life could be changed. Sliding Doors. Check out 462 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: the movie, So Kevin, what about you? Well know you're 463 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: in a boy band. That's right, does that mean that 464 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: they knew that you could sing or did you have 465 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: to sing? They sure did not know I could say, 466 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: so we had to sing, you'd prepare a song. I 467 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: read the script before. I remember I brought two friends 468 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: with me. I was like, Oh, this show shoots in 469 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: New York. I don't know why I thought that. Um, yeah, 470 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: I don't know why. I hadn't probably mixed up with 471 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: something else. And I went in an audition and it 472 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: wasn't an audition room. It was in Robert Rick, who 473 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: casted its like in his office, and I just sat 474 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,719 Speaker 1: on the other side of the desk from him, and 475 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: it was one of those places where the walls are 476 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: really thin, so you can hear what everybody is doing. 477 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: Is this what you're talking about? Yeah, Oh my god, 478 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: those walls are really thin there, and so so awkward. Yeah, 479 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: it's just awkward on a good day when there's no 480 00:29:51,280 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: singing singing. And that's how I felt, because I a 481 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: one have terrible nerves auditioning, hate auditioning, and then having 482 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: to sing. Like the first thing to like go when 483 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: you get nervous is your voice, Like vocal cords just 484 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: freeze up and then you can hear what everybody's doing. 485 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: It's just so embarrassing, mortifying. So I went in there. 486 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: I sang let it be. I've never heard of it. 487 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: Let it be. It's a new song the artists. I 488 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: intentionally only prepared like a verse and a chorus because 489 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: the song is so slow, so I was like, I'm 490 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: not going to board them to death. Let me just 491 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: do this. Then I get to the end of the 492 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: chorus and Robert goes like, keep going, keep crying. I'm like, 493 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm a fake fan. I don't know the second verson this, 494 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: and so I don't know what I did. I think 495 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: I sort of stumbled through saying singing this verse verse 496 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: again and then went into the chorse again because I 497 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: knew that um. And then I did the scenes and 498 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: then immediately which also never happen, and he's like, okay, 499 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: so when you come back and started talking about the 500 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: next audition, I was like, what's nice? Okay, great? And 501 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: then I went back two days later to Ryan's office 502 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: at Paramount, and it was it went from being at 503 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: Robert's desk too a boardroom. Basically, it was a full 504 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: table of fifteen people, right, you know, in this gigantic room. 505 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: Brad Ellis, who ended up being on the show and 506 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: playing the piano. He was there. We went early to 507 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,959 Speaker 1: practice our songs with him, and I prepared two songs 508 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: this time, ended up still doing Let It Be. And Yeah, 509 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,959 Speaker 1: it was a full crazy I learned the words. I 510 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: was prepared this time. Yeah, I and again I was 511 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: So it wasn't that I was just I don't think 512 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: I was good at playing the character. I was just 513 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: so nervous that that's what already became. Because I did 514 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: the song. The nerves were already and then I literally 515 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: ran in out of the room and that was it, 516 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: Like I think Ian Brennan, who was runing the creators 517 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: of the show, later he told me he was like, yeah, 518 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: we knew from that immediately we wanted you, but I 519 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: had to wait seven weeks of test because they hadn't 520 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: found anybody else yet. Oh my god. Wow. Then I 521 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: met Jen and I met in l A on the test. Yeah, okay, 522 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: so before we get there. Apparently you just love name 523 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: dropping single first names of famous people. So Steve, for now, 524 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: it's Ryan. Ryan Murphy is who he's talking about, the 525 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: creator of Glee and many other shows. It's as hard 526 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: when you know so many famous people. Brian just call 527 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: me be from now. Well, I was just talking to 528 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: be Um Yeah, and it's not Beyonce. What Oh yeah, 529 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: I guess did she take it first? Impressions are too 530 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: soon at that point, you're you're nervous around a board 531 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: table of of Ryan Murphy and co. Yeah. I don't. 532 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: I just sort of looked like the Last Supper to me, 533 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: where it was a lot of people. I didn't really 534 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: know much about Ryan, I know who he is in 535 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: that in that famous it was it was like it 536 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: did look like the Last Suffer. Okay, stop, that's crazy. Yeah, okay, 537 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: So you guys test and you meet friendly right away. 538 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: Do you remember meeting each other at the test later on? Yeah, 539 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: we weren't necessarily. I think we were all nervous talking. 540 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: It's one of those things. It's also weird because you're 541 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: in the room with the person you're testing against. Right. 542 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: So there was Chris Colefir, who was testing against himself 543 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: basically for Kurt Hummel, and then there was um Me 544 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: and another girl who tested for Tina, both from New York. 545 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: And then there was Kevin and another person from New 546 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: York also testing for Artie so there are five of 547 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: us in the room. We all arrive. This is our 548 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: first network test ever, all of us for the studio test. 549 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: So we're sitting there in silence, like this is the 550 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: weirdest thing ever. And they're like, and by the way, 551 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: you can't leave until everybody finishes their auditions. You're like, 552 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: what is this jail? And so like it was really weird. Um, 553 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: And then we're all sitting there pretty silently. I had 554 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: just literally flown in on a red eye from a 555 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: show the night before. So I had flown in on 556 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 1: a red eye. They put me up at the Innercontinental. 557 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,959 Speaker 1: They let me shower, and then I had to walk 558 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: my ass to Fox and get in that room. And 559 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: we're sitting there and all of a sudden you hear like, oh, 560 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: gust of wind, and like Ryan Murphy walks in and 561 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: he's like, hey, guys, are you nervous? Don't be nervous. 562 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: We just want you to be. I feel happy and excited. 563 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: We're nervous as you are. And then like walks away 564 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, um, that didn't help. It's in 565 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: and in some weird way it did. He like broke 566 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: the ice a little bit and then we all I 567 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 1: kind of smiled and laughed at each other and that 568 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: was that is that? Yeah, acknowledging the elephant in the room, 569 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: like this is a good luck so weird, it is 570 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: a weird situation. Anytime I tell I don't even know 571 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: if I've talked about it on this anytime I tell 572 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: people who are not in our industry about that experience, 573 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: which is essentially, you have prenegotiated your life away for 574 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: seven years. Sorry, you have pre negotiated your life away 575 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: potentially for seven years, and it's done as long as 576 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: they signed. Basically, you've signed it away, right, done right, 577 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: They're just hanging on to that piece of paper. And 578 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: if not, you have literally put yourself through a torture 579 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: for no reason. Yeah, you know how much money you'll 580 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: be making. You And for us, we signed included touring 581 00:35:53,920 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: and albums, merchandizing, really and we were nobody's so we 582 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: had no I no concept. They're like, are you sure 583 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: you want to sign this? I'm like, are you joking? 584 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,760 Speaker 1: Of course I'm going to sign this. You know, prenegotiated 585 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: your tour rights and merchandise because high school musical had 586 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: happened a couple of years before, and they weren't their 587 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: first tour, they weren't locked into a deal, and so 588 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: High School Musical ended up. Those kids made a lot 589 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: of money on tour well, and Fox also had American Idol, 590 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: which they had also like some experience in this like 591 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: this realm, So it was like three sixty Yeah, wow, 592 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,439 Speaker 1: spoiler alert, you both get it. How many years were 593 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: you working together? Six? I mean it was seven years, 594 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: but six seasons because we how we shot it. Yeah, 595 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: six and a half years for a long time, and 596 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: you the two of you close from the beginning or 597 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: was this a relationship that needed time to cook. Close 598 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,720 Speaker 1: from the beginning? Yeah, immediately we were close. There was Chris, 599 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: me Amber and Kevin had been brought together to start 600 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: rehearsing some of the music very early on. We were 601 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: brought out to shoot the pilot, but we were brought out. 602 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: I was brought out from New York weeks before to 603 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: rehearse for the pilot. So it's not like a normal 604 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: TV show where you, you know, have a table read 605 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: and then you show up on the day and you 606 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: start shooting like the pilot. It was like weeks of 607 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: rehearsal before we started this show. So like, don't stop believing. 608 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: There were like five different versions of this song that 609 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 1: we had rehearsed, and every time Ryan would come in 610 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: and be like not right, and then me and um, yeah. 611 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,959 Speaker 1: And you know, Chris and I had come from Chris 612 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: came from Clovis, California. He like, he drove down and 613 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: stayed in l A. And I had flown out from 614 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: New York. And so we we spent a lot of 615 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: time together, the four of us, because we didn't have 616 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: a lot of friends or anybody in l A. We 617 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: were here solely for Glee. Okay, by the way, I 618 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: have heard stories from some of your crew, how do 619 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: you get these musical numbers done in the number of 620 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: days you have to shoot? We did? How is this achieved? 621 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,720 Speaker 1: Just blood and sweat and tears. The show was always 622 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: scheduled to I mean, our show was normally scheduled to 623 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: shoot for eight days, That's right. I think maybe we 624 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: made eight days a handful of times. Never in those 625 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: six years, I think realistically what ten? Probably ten? Yeah, probably, 626 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,080 Speaker 1: so we would start doubling up on episodes. But the 627 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: musical numbers they had to basically any time the you 628 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,240 Speaker 1: know quotes, the adults Matt Morrison or Jane Lynch anytime 629 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,439 Speaker 1: they were filming, and then we weren't with them. We 630 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: were in dance rehearsal or the recording studio. Like sometimes, 631 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: you know, your lunch break involves you getting in a 632 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: car and eating all the way to the recording studio, 633 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: putting down a song for a half hour, turning around 634 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 1: and getting back into touch ups to go back to set. 635 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: So it was intent they didn't you didn't have a 636 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: recording studio on you that would have really actually helped, 637 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: but very expensive. They're very expensive, and we didn't spend 638 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: a ton of time at their recording studio. You'd be 639 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: pretty unless you were doing like a you know, a 640 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: massive solo song like you were, you were in and 641 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 1: out pretty the beginning. You spent more time there was, 642 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,760 Speaker 1: for some reason, more time. So as it got going, 643 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: we would later on as the years and by that's 644 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: when we'd have like those very quick lunch break turn 645 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,280 Speaker 1: around things. But the first thirteen episodes of the first season, 646 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: we were sometimes in the recording studio for like half 647 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: a day because everyone was still figuring out the formula 648 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,839 Speaker 1: was right. Yeah, So you know, once we got through 649 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 1: that then there were demo singers who were doing each 650 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,760 Speaker 1: of our parts, and all that was planned out before 651 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: we ever entered, so we were just going in and 652 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: copying somebody to save time. But those early days, Adamanders 653 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: who was the music producer, and yeah, Ryan would be 654 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: there and they're figuring out our voices, what can our 655 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: voices do, who sounds best together? That sort of thing. 656 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 1: So the musical numbers essentially like logistically as you as 657 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: we got into them, they they built the stage to 658 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,800 Speaker 1: scale from the stages we shot on the auditorium that 659 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: we shot on in Long Beach, because the first season 660 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: we were driving back and forth the Long Beach in 661 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: order to do musical numbers and we were exhausted. And 662 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: so was the second season or back now yeah, it 663 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: was no. They had finished it like four or five 664 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: episodes into season two. They built us the stages, thank god, 665 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: the auditorium, and essentially, as guest directors would come in 666 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: new ones that weren't returning, they would have to kind 667 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 1: of learn the formula of how to get this done. 668 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: And it was very much like a pain by numbers 669 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: at that point, like camera new you go, you start 670 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: from the back, you get the crane. If you want it, 671 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 1: you move up. You get the two on the side, 672 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: We get the dolly, we get the steady, we bring 673 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,919 Speaker 1: the steadicam on stage. You turn it around, you get 674 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: their reactions, you get behind our legs and our feet, 675 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: and then you're out and it. It essentially started to 676 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: take like a seven eight hour day scene to do 677 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: a musical number versus Don't Stop. That took like a 678 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: day and a half. Yeah, I remember. The goal was 679 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,240 Speaker 1: always a try to finish one of those big musical 680 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,439 Speaker 1: numbers by lunch, but we'd always have to come back 681 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: and do turn Around. Yeah, turn around or something like that. Yeah. Wow. Um, 682 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of but there's a lot of talk 683 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,760 Speaker 1: on Reddit. What would you say is the craziest Glee 684 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:13,800 Speaker 1: storyline of all time? Kevin as an STD Yeah to 685 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: me talking about STDs um um, the you know, I 686 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: have to say, I mean in the very beginning, like 687 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: the hysterical pregnancy was pretty crazy, like that was that 688 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 1: was a wild story. And then plotting to steal a 689 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,359 Speaker 1: student's baby, like you know, that happened immediately, like there 690 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,280 Speaker 1: was no time. That's just part of Glee. That's just baked, 691 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,879 Speaker 1: baked in this is a pretty wild one. What about 692 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: Quinn getting in a car accident that was going to 693 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: be my second one and then being in a wheelchair 694 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: for a while, so like her and already got some 695 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,359 Speaker 1: time together and then she magically healed and was okay, 696 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: and I'm saying I'm still standing, which was very uncomfortable 697 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: and cringe e. That was a really weird one. That 698 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:03,399 Speaker 1: was that was weird. Um, I have I have a quiz. Well, 699 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: we're going to fail, so we're definitely gonna fail Glee Pilot. 700 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 1: Addition to Truth and a Lie, actually pilot, we know, 701 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,839 Speaker 1: I think all right? To Truths and a Lie. Number one, 702 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:23,240 Speaker 1: Emma's parents were Ginger supremacists. To fail Will Schuster belly 703 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: danced in the library. Three there was a school riot 704 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: about a tater top band in the cafeteria. To truth 705 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 1: and a lie. What's the lie? I think? I have 706 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: a guess, Jenna, do you have a guess? I'll think 707 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 1: The second one, um belly dancing. The belly dancing was 708 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: you're saying the belly dancing never happened? Yeah, sorry, that 709 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 1: wasn't just in my imagination? Correct, you win really embarrassed? No, 710 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been I would fail many many A quizzes, 711 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,280 Speaker 1: but that was fun. I gotta bring that back. Great 712 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: job producers coming up with that one. I like the 713 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: looks on your faces, your care and shock. Um, you 714 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: guys are going back. You're going back to school. It's right, 715 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:23,399 Speaker 1: there was a transition. We're massochists. We are listen, listen 716 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,240 Speaker 1: now I do this. Uh, you're going back to school 717 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: and that's what you really missed. New podcast. Are you 718 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: having fun? You're back together, So that's good, which is great. 719 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 1: It's always great. It's easy with each other, you know. Yeah, 720 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: now we are, We're enjoying it. We're enjoying the podcast. 721 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,800 Speaker 1: Obviously we've done this before, so it's um an interesting idea, 722 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: but we're grateful to be reimagining and rebranding. And this 723 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 1: take is a bit more intentional and a bit more 724 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: honest and raw and open about people's experiences on the show. 725 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 1: And you know, we're just kind of taking a deeper dive. 726 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: So it's definitely, yes, we are enjoying ourselves. And you're 727 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: you're doing a benefit. I understand raising fund and awareness. Well, 728 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: you had a cast mate, do you want to talk 729 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: about Nya Rivera a little bit yeah, cast mate Nay Rivera, 730 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 1: who passed away a couple of years ago. She was 731 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: a big supporter of Alexandria House, which is an incredible 732 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,720 Speaker 1: um local l a organization that helps women and children 733 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 1: who are in need of transitional housing. And after she 734 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: passed away, we you know, we're looking for anything to 735 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: do to do good and also sort of honor her 736 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,800 Speaker 1: memory amongst us, you know, her co workers and friends. 737 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 1: And she used to throw these crazy, amazing Christmas parties 738 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: called Snicks because her nickname was Snacks and they were 739 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: like extravagant she did every year. After all the crew 740 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 1: and cast like carol ers at the front, there was 741 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: Sandy's lay, There was like the DJ was in a 742 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:07,840 Speaker 1: tower at one point, like they made it dance studio 743 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: of the dance floor like it was. She I was like, 744 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,840 Speaker 1: when did who negotiated your contract? Because truly, I think 745 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna spend this much more. I was like, why nobody? 746 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,800 Speaker 1: She loved hosting a part. Okay, so snakes Moss was 747 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,319 Speaker 1: an annual event, and so we thought, what better way 748 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: than for the Holidays to raise funds for Alexandria House, 749 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: keep nives memory alive and keep snick Smiths alive. UM 750 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,479 Speaker 1: and so yeah, yeah, it's and it's it's their third 751 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: which I can't believe we're already at our third. Snick 752 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,360 Speaker 1: smith and this year, you know, I heard has been 753 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 1: incredibly generous to allow us to use their theater in 754 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: Burbank and we are doing our first in person event 755 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles on December six and then December eighth, 756 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: where it's going to be live stream for those who 757 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,879 Speaker 1: can't make it, UM and all the live streamers who 758 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 1: have been there with us over zoom the last couple 759 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,760 Speaker 1: of years as well. Like this is really a grassroots operation, 760 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 1: is what we call it. There's no donation that is 761 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,720 Speaker 1: too small. UM. I think the first year we raised 762 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,240 Speaker 1: over a hundred thousand dollars and the average donation amount 763 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 1: was probably ten dollars, so it was pretty UM. That's incredible. Yeah, 764 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: pretty mind blowing. So we're really excited about it. December 765 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 1: the six, seven o'clock the I Heart Theater there in 766 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 1: what is Johnny Carson used to say, beautiful downtown Burbank. Um. Congratulations, 767 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: thanks you guys for doing that. I'm excited for you. 768 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 1: Everyone's talking about the podcast. Congratulations on that I'm glad 769 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,279 Speaker 1: you guys are back together and doing it's really it's 770 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 1: really fun and it's great to see both of you again. 771 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,479 Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's do it more often. Yeah, for sure. 772 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: Thanks for having us, So we should have you know, 773 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 1: there was an episode of the Office where they referenced 774 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 1: my character on Glee. Yeah, maybe we need to have 775 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 1: you come on to our show and we can talk 776 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,840 Speaker 1: about that episode. Now he's crossed over. Is that the 777 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 1: viewing party where we have a blue viewing party? Yeah? 778 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,920 Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, it was really meta and I 779 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: loved it and I appreciated it. All I can remember 780 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,520 Speaker 1: right now is I think that's where I ate pigs 781 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 1: and a blanket and a blanket. Yeah, that sounds familiar 782 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,760 Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, and you know, and thank you again. 783 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,319 Speaker 1: Like you you were also so great to me when 784 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: I was on that show, and it really helped me 785 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,600 Speaker 1: and informed me how when I became a regular on 786 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 1: a show too, hopefully be you know, a fraction as 787 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 1: accommodating and welcoming as you guys were to meet so well, 788 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,239 Speaker 1: thanks for that. No, and you know, I could make 789 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 1: a joke right now, but I but I won't because 790 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: I think it's no, no, because I think, honest to God, look, 791 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,759 Speaker 1: we were we were a cast of grown ups, if 792 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,520 Speaker 1: you will. And I guess what I mean by that 793 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,520 Speaker 1: is so many of us had failed pilots or had 794 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,360 Speaker 1: been in the theater, and so everybody felt grateful and 795 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,160 Speaker 1: lucky to be there, and a lot of us had 796 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,240 Speaker 1: been on the other side of it and knew how 797 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,440 Speaker 1: that felt. And it's like, I know, this is what 798 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,719 Speaker 1: I always says. It takes just as much energy to 799 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,359 Speaker 1: be nice as it does to be an asshole, So 800 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:25,320 Speaker 1: why not choose that? And ultimately it's a better work environment, right, 801 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,479 Speaker 1: So thank you for saying that. Congrats you guys, thank 802 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 1: you for doing this Nick Smith stuff. And uh, happy 803 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,799 Speaker 1: holidays you too. See you in the new year. Thank you. 804 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: Thanks Jenna Kevin, thank you so much for joining me today. 805 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 1: It was great catching up. You're awesome. I can't wait 806 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,319 Speaker 1: to listen to your new podcast. 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