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Speaker 1: What is going on? John Middlecop three and Out podcast

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Speaker 1: Back at it again, A little bit different of a

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Speaker 1: show this week. Have a good friend of mine a

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Speaker 1: very unique interview coming up. The director of personnel. He's

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Speaker 1: basically like the general manager of the University of Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: He works side by side with Lincoln Riley. Uh, my

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Speaker 1: friend Drew Hill, who actually hired me at Fresno State.

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Speaker 1: Bob Stoops originally hired him mid Oklahoma. He's been there

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Speaker 1: with Baker, been there with Kyler. Uh that now they

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Speaker 1: have Jalen Hurts from Alabama, Hollywood. Brown has been a

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Speaker 1: part of recruiting all these players. Kind of a unique

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Speaker 1: perspective that you just you know, you hear a lot

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Speaker 1: of GM's talk, and you hear a lot of coaches

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Speaker 1: talk in the NFL. You hear coaches talking college football.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if I've ever heard an interview

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Speaker 1: major college program. So I think gets really cool. Good

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Speaker 1: friend of mine, you know, I'm really happy for him.

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Speaker 1: He's crushing it. They're crushing it. I think they've won

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Speaker 1: the conference now four years in a row, have the

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Speaker 1: top number. I mean, you're listening to a guy that's

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Speaker 1: been a part of a program now that's had the

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Speaker 1: number one pick in the draft. The last two years

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Speaker 1: has been two quarterbacks and two unique quarterbacks. You know,

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Speaker 1: Baker is a little bit more traditional beside his size,

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Speaker 1: but his game is traditional, uh in the sense that

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Speaker 1: about as unique as you're gonna get. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: and uh, Drew spent a lot of time around those

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Speaker 1: two individuals, and then we talked about Hollywood Brown Ceedee Lamb,

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Speaker 1: who he thinks is a star. I mean, I agree

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Speaker 1: which you know, as Drew Drew alludes to him on

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Speaker 1: And he's already had two back to back massive years.

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Speaker 1: So he's a round player and just kind of bs

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Speaker 1: hand man, Heimerdinger have some thoughts on that. And then

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Speaker 1: you know, should the NFL ever go to a draft lottery,

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Speaker 1: because I'm sure many of you if you're listening to this,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's just great theater. Watch the NBA lottery

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Speaker 1: love things that move the needle that fans would love.

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Speaker 1: It would be an awesome show. But at the end

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Speaker 1: NFL just says, need to do it. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: do a Middlecoff mail bag this week for those of

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Speaker 1: you guys that are new listening to podcast. At John

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Speaker 1: Middlecoff is my Instagram handle. D m s are wide open,

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Speaker 1: slide right in and then I answer your question. You

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Speaker 1: can ask anything literally anything, uh, mainly football related, but

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Speaker 1: my Instagram handle. My d ms are open on Instagram

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Speaker 1: slide right in and I do the Middlecoff mail Bag

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Speaker 1: basically every podcast that I don't have a guest. Uh,

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Speaker 1: We'll be out Tuesday. We'll have the Middlecoff mail Bag

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Speaker 1: in there. Let's start with the Jets. I've only worked

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Speaker 1: And it's no different in you know, in any walk

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Speaker 1: of life, right, people get jobs that they have no

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Speaker 1: get exposed. Mike mccagnan had no business, I repeat, zero

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Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear they're gonna go after Joe Douglas

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Speaker 1: he just wants to coach. He is dependent on having

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Speaker 1: Mike mccagnen will never I repeat, never sniff being a

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Speaker 1: I talked about it earlier this week with Levian Bell.

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Speaker 1: And to me, the moment Levian Bell stop showing up,

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Speaker 1: To me, firing Mike mccatt, what took so long? I

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Speaker 1: He was so in over his head. Let's call it

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Speaker 1: what it is. Did he really hire Adam Gates? Like

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Speaker 1: guy that can coach quarterbacks, and you can't really be

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Speaker 1: you know, a hundred pound dumbbells up a mountain ten

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Speaker 1: because they have all these kickers in their contract. It's

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Speaker 1: at Southern Myths and and then I got the job

428
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 1: with Pet Hill out at Fresno State and uh go

429
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: Dogs Baby. Stayed with pet out there for eight years

430
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: and and and I went to Colorado State with coach

431
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 1: mcawaine for two and then over here to UH Oklahoma

432
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 1: with coach Stoops and now coach Riley. So you've been

433
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma. Now, what are you going into your fifth year?

434
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: This will be I've been here five years, so that

435
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: will be six. And I know when I was with you,

436
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,719
Speaker 1: you were you were basically in charge of, you know,

437
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 1: everything from recruiting, breaking you know, who we should sign

438
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: and scouting to what food we're gonna eat on the road.

439
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: How much you know it was doing a lot, you know,

440
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: underpaid overworks. How much is the jet job kind of

441
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 1: change for you? Like when Bob Stoops hired you, because

442
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: once you went with Mac, it became a little more

443
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 1: like you're doing now right, a little more Alabama, more

444
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: focused on football. And then how much has it changed

445
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: like when you got to Bob, was it a little

446
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: more like Fresno and it's changed with Lincoln, Like what's

447
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: that been like? Yeah? So yeah, obviously at Fresno State,

448
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: you know we're doing everything. You know, we're answering the phones,

449
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: you're you're getting food scheduled, you're getting busses, you're getting airplanes,

450
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: You're doing all that stuff, and then you're sending the

451
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: coaches out. So but yeah, when when when I got

452
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: to Colorado State with coach Mackett was you know, he

453
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: brought a lot of that stuff from Alabama. UM. And

454
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: then you know the move to here. UM. You know,

455
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: with Bob, it was a lot like it was at

456
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 1: Colorado State. UM. You know, I'm still organizing stuff. And

457
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: then you know Lincoln comes on and he takes it

458
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: to the next level and is able to you know,

459
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: bring in some other great pieces that allow me, you

460
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: know to watch film and evaluate film and manage at

461
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: the eighty five Scholarships and and the walk Ons and U. UM.

462
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: So he been a ab to you know, hire a

463
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: guy from Fresnol that I watched, you know, grow up

464
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: from a kid um to where we played against him

465
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: when we played U C. L A and Uh. I

466
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: was able to bring him in and he's kind of,

467
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, my right hand guy. Let him take care

468
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: of the defense when we break up and I go

469
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 1: with the offense, and and we all come back together

470
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 1: and and share thoughts and he helps me break up,

471
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: break up the film and so we rock and roll it.

472
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: When was the first time because you were with Lincoln

473
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 1: when he was in a sitt we used the offensive coordinator,

474
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: did you know pretty early on, like you've been around

475
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: Jim mclwain. And you've been around a lot of guys

476
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: that took off at Fresnol stayed over the years. Uh,

477
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: you know, the bigger and better positions. Did you know

478
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: this guy's this guy is pretty special? Yeah, oh yeah,

479
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean right out of the gate man just an't.

480
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to explain it. It's just

481
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: the guys immediately respect the guy. He's highly organized, just

482
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: like make and he just got this aura about him,

483
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: like this guy is gonna be something big one day.

484
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: And um, and I had no idea what was gonna

485
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: be here, but I sure I assure him glad it was,

486
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: because it's it's been. It's been really really good, you know,

487
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: not just for the family, but for my growth as well.

488
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: I assumed that, you know, just whenever you're a younger guy,

489
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: you know you're just kind of loosey goosey. But last

490
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: year I had him on this same show, and he's

491
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: a pretty intense dude. You know, you couldn't fool you,

492
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: Like he's not just going through the motions, and he

493
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: was kind of intimidating to talk to you like I

494
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: had to. I felt like, God, I gotta be on

495
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: the ball. No, he's a smart dude, very smart, which,

496
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: uh which is great because you know I'm all over

497
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: the place. But uh yeah, now he's an intense guy.

498
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: I know. I know how me and you were on

499
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: the sideline at Fresno State when we scored touchdowns and stuff.

500
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he would have been right there with us. Yeah,

501
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: he'd have been a baby, he'd have been a baby,

502
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: but he would have been right there with us. Well,

503
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,719
Speaker 1: you guys, I mean, Drewsky, You's had a pretty good

504
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: run here quarterbacks. Uh, I know you had a guy

505
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: that's he was a rookie last year. Was started for

506
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: you guys for three years when you first got to Oklahoma.

507
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 1: You've told me the story a little bit before, and

508
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: I think most people now because the guy so famous.

509
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: I've heard Baker story to walk on situation. He left

510
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. But how did you first hear his name?

511
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: Like he wasn't he didn't necessarily just come to did

512
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: Bob Stoops know he's coming to Oklahoma? Like how did

513
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: it all kind of play out? He wasn't a scholarship

514
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: guy right off the bat. Tell me the story a

515
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: little bit the first time you met Baker. Bob's the

516
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: first time you met Baker and how it how he

517
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: had to earn a scholarship. Yeah, you know, he got

518
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: here the fall before I arrived, So I arrived, aren't

519
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: the spring? I'm sorry. He got here in the spring

520
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: and I got here in July, and uh, you know,

521
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,959
Speaker 1: I had heard and seen Baker play in and you know,

522
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: it took a while for me to you know, get

523
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: to know the guy a little bit, just because he

524
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: didn't know me. I didn't know him, and I'm trying

525
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: to meet the whole team and get a feel, um,

526
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: but just a different dude. I mean, you know, very

527
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: very personable, very lakable guy. Um. And and the guy

528
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: wasn't even he wasn't on scholarship. We're going through August camp.

529
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy smoke, he got up. Did he practice

530
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: with the team that spring when he came to uh

531
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: the school? He I don't know that I wasn't here.

532
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: I think he did. And and then we were we

533
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: went to camp and we're kind of going through the

534
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,239
Speaker 1: season a little bit, and Bob's like, if we got

535
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: a scholarship open, let's just put him on now. And

536
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, we got a scholarship open, So we

537
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: went ahead and put him on um and and I

538
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: kind of didn't know that the guy wasn't on scholarship

539
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: at that point, which you know, he go out there

540
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: and watch him sling the rock around. You're like, holy smokes, Um,

541
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: when's this guy gonna be done sitting out a here? Um?

542
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: I was a quarterback right Trevor out and so Baker

543
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: was just running the scout team. Breaker was running the

544
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: scout team um and and you know, just going up

545
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: and down the field, um and and doing it with

546
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: intensity like it was a real game. You know, it

547
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: was unbelievable to watch. And so you know, there was

548
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: a battle the next year between him and Trevor and

549
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: and he ended up nudging him out and the rest

550
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: is history. I mean, he just kept getting better and

551
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: better every year. I remember last year Lincoln told me

552
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: because I asked him, when was the first time you

553
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: knew you kind of had something special? And he said

554
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: that it was I remember watching this game on my couch,

555
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: that game against Tennessee where you guys, you know, kind

556
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: of played like shit down on the road, and then

557
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: I mean this comeback and him just leading the charge,

558
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, in front of you know, I don't know

559
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: how any you know, a hundred thousand people there and

560
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: it was Yeah, it was. It was one of the

561
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: louder games I've been to. And it was like, oh

562
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: my god, this guy is pretty good. And that would

563
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: have been his like third game ever starting. Uh, he

564
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: ends up going a couple of years later. Now, one overall,

565
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: you've been you run around a lot of first round

566
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: draft picks. You've been around Derek Carr. What was the

567
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: first time, like when you were around him, when you went,

568
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: this guy is going to be a legit NFL player,

569
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: not just obviously knew he was a good college player.

570
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: That first year, you guys were really good. I think

571
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: you went to the playoffs. Uh, but like you like,

572
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: this guy is a legitimate first round draft pick. It

573
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: would have probably have been his junior year, you know,

574
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: kind of later in the season seeing him do what

575
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: he was doing. Um, you know, I remember distinctly being

576
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: at Baylor the year they were really good and we

577
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: had to go to Baylor in the rain and beat him,

578
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: and just Bake was just different, you know, And then

579
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: that that junior year he just kept getting better and

580
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: Barren like, this guy is the first round draft pick.

581
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't care how tall he is. I'll stand on

582
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: the table for the dude. I mean, he just got

583
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: that kind of leadership and people just just you kind

584
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: of flop to a guy like that and you want

585
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: to you want to fight for him. And hell, I

586
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: wanted to fight for him when I was talking to

587
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: the scouts, and it pissed me off when guys were

588
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: talking in about his height and I, I don't care

589
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: how big he is. Yeah, just listen to me. He's

590
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: gonna be a player. But by by a senior year,

591
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: mostly it felt like probably most of those scouts agreed

592
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: with you, right, Like it was pretty clear. Yeah, I

593
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: was like wow, wow. I mean they were impressed with

594
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: how much that he had improved from year from the

595
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: year one, of him starting to his senior year just

596
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: totally baffled. You've lived it, I mean we hear so

597
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: much about it. I know Dorsey loved it, like the moxie,

598
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: what he was like with his teammates. I mean, can

599
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: you describe anything? Obviously you've seen him. I know you

600
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: love him. You know he's close to your family, Like

601
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: what what's he like? Like? What what makes him so special? Like?

602
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: Why is he such a good teammate. He's got unbelievable

603
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: either ship skills. I mean, and like I said, he's

604
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: such a likable guy and and a and a warrior.

605
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to go lay it online? Hell,

606
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: I want to go land online with him. Whenever I'm

607
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 1: just standing on the sidelines like I'm ready to go,

608
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: but you know, and then after the game, I'm looking

609
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: for my daughter after the game and I'm like, where

610
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: is she? And She's on Baker's shoulders, you know, walking

611
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: to the locker room. I mean, it's just that kind

612
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: of guy. I mean, he cares about people, um, and

613
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: he can he can get people motivated to to to

614
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: follow him, and and and and lay it all on online.

615
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: What's crazy is he goes number one overall and everyone's like, yeah,

616
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's Oklahoma's got this other guy than Billy

617
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: Bean draftling number you know, number nine overall. It's like

618
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: that still be pretty good. I remember watching some YouTube

619
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: film of of the spring game, or maybe it was

620
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: just some garbage time that he played in baker senior year,

621
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: was like, h this guy's this guy's got a good

622
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: arm and kind of run around. And then by about

623
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: the end of September, You're like, oh, this guy's a freak.

624
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: Uh did you guys, did he was Kyler because he

625
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: was playing baseball? Was there? Had you played with him?

626
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: And like did he get to go through spring workouts?

627
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: Did he play in the spring game? And when did

628
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: you know with him? Like oh my god, we got

629
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: something here again. Yeah, you know, with him it was different,

630
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: just because with Baker you get to see the progression

631
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: from your one starting two year two, two year three.

632
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: With him, it's kind of like just slammed right in

633
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: your face, like Bam, here we go. Um. And you know,

634
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: with him doing both baseball and football at Oklahoma Man,

635
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: we had to work closely with compliance and with the

636
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: baseball staff to to work out his twenty hours a

637
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 1: week and and you know, uh doing spring ball, and

638
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: then we're having to move up spring ball to you know,

639
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: eight o'clock in the morning so that he can go

640
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: get on a plane and fly to you know, Waco

641
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: or Lubbock or wherever they're playing at that week. Um.

642
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: And I can remember distinctly walking into the players lounge, Um,

643
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, mid morning and the guys just laying He's

644
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: not even on the couch, He's laying on the carpet,

645
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, just out cold, just exhausted. Um, you know. So,

646
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it just takes so much to play one

647
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: sport in college and much less to play two and

648
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: be elite at both of them is incredible. So um yeah,

649
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: he's so you know, we didn't know he was gonna

650
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: obviously be a one and done first pick in the

651
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: draft in August camp, but you could tell that moving

652
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: forward into the season, Um, that he was something just

653
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: you know, Charlie Ward ish, I mean, something you'd never

654
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: seen before, or if you had seen it before, he's

655
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: been a long long time, um, you know between Charlie

656
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: Ward and this guy. But uh, you know you just

657
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: watch him kind of joy stick around defenders and and

658
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: and and the guy throws the ball so well. He

659
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: throws the ball so much better than you would think,

660
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: you know, just seeing him in person and seeing him

661
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: you know them whatever he is. I mean, he don't

662
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: throw it like that sense guy. He throws it like

663
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: a big six three guy. I mean, you don't see

664
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of bad balls. And I think you know,

665
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: moving through the season and and not seeing those bad balls,

666
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: you're you're like, Okay, this guy can do this. When

667
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: did you start kind of feeling are are you the

668
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: pro liaison at Oklahoma? Like did the scouts go through you? Yes?

669
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: And you've been doing that your whole career. When did

670
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: you start getting the field? You know these guys really well,

671
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: the directors, the head guys, the guy, this guy, this

672
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: guy is not just the first round pick. He's gonna

673
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: go really high. You know. I think it was probably,

674
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, mid to late season. I know I saw

675
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: it and I told the scouts this for the first

676
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: time when we played Texas and we were down, and

677
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, it got to the point where we were

678
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: down a good bit and and the guy just put

679
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: the whole team on his shoulders and and and brought us,

680
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, all the way back in that game. It

681
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: was to a three point game where you know, only

682
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: him and Baker could do something like that, and and

683
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: I was like, this dude. And then to see him

684
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: after the game, he's just you know, the guy hadn't

685
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: lost many games ever in his entire life, and to

686
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: see him just so distraught after one loss. And I

687
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: just remember talking to this guys, I'm like, I've never

688
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: seen anything like it before. I mean, he basically just

689
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, put on a Superman cape and brought us

690
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: all the way back to three points and we just

691
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: ran out of time. Basically, well, I know you're tied

692
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: with his family, you know him really well, Like, did

693
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: you know by the end of the season that he

694
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: was all in on football? Because I don't think us

695
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: on the outside really found out. Maybe they'll right right

696
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: before the combine, right when he announced, he tweeted that

697
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: statement out. I mean, because clearly you get drafted that

698
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: high end baseball and the A's loved him, you know,

699
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that wasn't do you think it was

700
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: a hard decision for them? Was just something that football.

701
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: How did that process play out for you guys inside

702
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: the building, I had a good inclination that it was

703
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: going to be football, But nothing verbally from him or

704
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: or the parents. You know, they were just going to

705
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: see how it played out the rest of the season.

706
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: But uh, you know I had been talking to the

707
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: scouts about him, just because you know, there was that

708
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: chance at the end of the season. You know, with baseball,

709
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: you never know what was gonna happen. And and so

710
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: then when he when he announced, and I mean by

711
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: the time he had announced, I mean, I mean he

712
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: had played this season, you knew he was gonna be

713
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: a first round pick. I mean he's just those guys

714
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: like him that with the speed and the arm strength

715
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: don't come around that often or maybe ever be for yeah,

716
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: because I mean I was around Vic and he did.

717
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: He was a little bigger in Kyler, but he was

718
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: not an accurate passer, you know, like Kyler. That was

719
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: my last that was my last draft with the Falcons

720
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: and Mike Vick draft. How many passes do you think

721
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: he averaged in college twenty a game? I mean totally yeah.

722
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't like he wasn't in the same

723
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: style of offense, so yeah, it was it would have

724
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: been less than Kyler. But yeah, I mean those guys,

725
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean Vic had a big arm, he could rip it.

726
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: I mean he could fly a little bit bigger, a

727
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: little thicker, but uh yeah, I mean they're they're similar.

728
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: Were you were you at Oklahoma when Kyler was coming

729
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: out of high school? I was, Yeah. We recruited Kyler

730
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: um my first year here um and and didn't win

731
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: out out on him. But I'm glad we want out

732
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: on him on the second time because around the Black

733
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: it shows you. I mean, it's a great part of football.

734
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: Baker goes one over Rawle had, you know, two offers

735
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: coming out of high school, had to walk on them twice. Kyler. So,

736
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: now in your four years being in Oklahoma, was he

737
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: one of the better high school recruise you've seen? Oh yeah,

738
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, you had the same questions that all

739
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: the pro scouts are gonna had. You know what I mean,

740
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: he's you know, five ten whatever, but who cares? And

741
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: I can remember Link being you know, when he was transferring,

742
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: he was like this guy's potential Heisman trophy guy. I

743
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: mean Link said that, and I'll be daying, who'd you

744
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: have to beat out when he was leaving A and

745
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: M Was it pretty easy or was that then a

746
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: re recruitment that was tough? I think, you know it was.

747
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: I think he wanted to be here. I think this

748
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: is where he wanted to be UM and and that

749
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: says a lot about him coming in. I mean that

750
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: was what makes junior year. And then he was gonna

751
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: have to sit behind him through a senior year and

752
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: and you know he could have gone anyway and started

753
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: UM you know that second season after he sat but

754
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: he came here, uh you know, red shirted random scout

755
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: team and then uh and then backed up Baker for

756
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: a year and then came out and bawled out and

757
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: went number one. He shows you you never know. And

758
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: then this year, yeah, you get a quarterback that you know,

759
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: I think for me, when I watched Jalen Hurts, you know,

760
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: I've never been I've kind of been on the fence

761
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: on him as a player. And then I've seen some

762
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: videos since he's got the Oklahoma where it feels like

763
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: he's already the team leader and he's like this guy

764
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: is a badass. You know, I mean, have you ever

765
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: quite experienced anything. It feels like he's got a little

766
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: Baker to him, Like he just shows up, owns the

767
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: room and people just follow him. He's got he's he's

768
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: got great leaders leadership skills and and just wait till

769
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: you see the guy in person. I mean he is

770
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: he looks like Rodney Anderson, I mean the running back

771
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: from last year. He's a big, thick dude and and

772
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 1: you know, guy speaks uh and people listen, and he's

773
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: a very intelligent, uh kid, and you know he's still

774
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: come on, he just you know, he went through spring,

775
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: but he's still trying to learn the offense and get going.

776
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: But he's with the right guy, I mean, the quarterback whisper. Well,

777
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: if if Jalen hurts goes number one overall, you know,

778
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: Lincoln might as well just retire, you know, just just

779
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: calling a career. Did when you recruited Jade, did you

780
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: guys go in on Jalen after? Did you know going

781
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: into like by the end of the season, that Kyler

782
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: like there was no chance of him coming back and

783
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: playing again. Was that on the table before you knew that?

784
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: Because he technically could have played baseball right and still

785
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: played another year of football. Let's say, if like the

786
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: NFL scouts said, yeah, you'll only be a second or

787
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: third round pick. Was that something that you guys didn't

788
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: know about where you got to go after Jalen regardless, Um,

789
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: there was still you know, during the seas, it was

790
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: still on the table. Um. I think you know, with Kyler,

791
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: he's really really really good at baseball, and he's but

792
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: his passion is football, and we all know how good

793
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: he is at football. But and and I don't know,

794
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: I can't say that, but I know he's always been

795
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: passionate about football, and so there was a chance. You know,

796
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: there was nothing written in stone that he was just

797
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: gonna go to baseball. Um, but uh, you know, after

798
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: the season and the season he had, it's like, whoa,

799
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna make a lot of a lot more

800
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: than whatever he made playing baseball playing football. Well, I

801
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: know this when when him and Baker ever come back,

802
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: lunches on them, when when you're out with him, because

803
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: they just I saw Kyler. Kyler just for three two

804
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: million dollars. That's I can take him. I can. I

805
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: can still take him out. What about I mean, you

806
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 1: got another guy, and you've told me this story before.

807
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: It's pretty fascinating. Hollywood Brown goes in the first round

808
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: and that was with it your bad foot. I mean,

809
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: who knows, if you'd been one son health, you might

810
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: have made it out of the top five team. Uh.

811
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: Just the recruitment process to him, you just lost D D. Westbrook.

812
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: You needed that speed guy in this offense. He's a

813
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: he was a junior college player, right to talk him

814
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of that situation, and you know his weight,

815
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: he wasn't exactly the biggest guy. Why I kind of

816
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: made it a unique recruitment. Yeah, yeah, you know, under

817
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: recruited obviously out of high school. Um, probably just with

818
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: the size and uh what would you guess he was

819
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: coming out of high school about one three. I mean

820
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: he was probably around one somewhere around in there, and uh,

821
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, went out to junior college in California, and um,

822
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: you know, we found him out there and kind of

823
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: kind of later in the process a little bit um

824
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: and uh, we went all in on him, even with

825
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: the you know, I mean he was probably to one

826
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: fifty when he was out there at junior college, and

827
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: and we went all in just because of bead was unreal.

828
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: And then you get him on campus and you get

829
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: to meet meet the person, and he is just a

830
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: phenomenal individual. Uh, soft spoken kid, but very very likable person,

831
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: and uh, man, I love Marquise and and it just

832
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: it worked out for him. He came down down here

833
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: and I remember coached him and saying, you know, we

834
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: were trying to bring him on a little bit slower

835
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: than we brought d D. We felt like we threw

836
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: d D in there and a little too early. And

837
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: so they're trying to bring him a little slower and

838
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: he's standing up behind Dennis and somebody went down against

839
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: Texas and he's got his mouthpiece in ready to go.

840
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: He said, all right, here we go and and it

841
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: was it was all over after that. I mean he

842
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: just ran past everybody. He can he can he can fly. Uh,

843
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: you can fly when you get a guy, because like

844
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: you guys watched him on film. Two things I'm interested in. One,

845
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: when you say you got he comes on late in

846
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: the process, does like a coach call you guys, were you?

847
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: And you know, were you? And there just banging away

848
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: the tape and you just notice him like how does

849
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: that even come on the radar? And then once you

850
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: bring him out and you go, hey, coach Stoops or Lincoln,

851
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: this is Marquise and he's a hundred forty pounds like

852
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: I would imagine you guys aren't recruiting many guys that

853
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: weigh under a right, So I mean it was that

854
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: and even you that love the guy, you know, like

855
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: that's usually guys like that don't make it. They're just

856
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: so small. Yeah, I mean, Lincoln is not so hung

857
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: up with you know, heights and weights as much um

858
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 1: because you know the offense, he can move them around

859
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: and get him in the right spot. But and we've

860
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: had success with some smaller guys. No, I mean Nodd's

861
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: you know, six foot and and Shep was, uh, you

862
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: know five eleven um, you know, Marquise Um. We've had

863
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: a lot of success with some smaller, smaller guys. And

864
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: and you know, Lincoln so creative that he's like, I

865
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: don't care how much he ways or how big he is,

866
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: he can fly. Let's go get him. And so we

867
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: went out and battled and got him over here. And

868
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: he did a great job, man, unbelievable. And he also

869
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: had some pretty good cats throwing to him. God, I

870
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: mean it's it's a pretty good get. When you get

871
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: a junior college guy, you know, who not really on

872
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: anyone's radar, and then the guy becomes a first round pick,

873
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: you know, it shows you that no doubt. Yeah, I

874
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: asked you this on the phone when you were talking

875
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: to the other day. Forty yard dash. You put the

876
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: two of them standing right there, and you you gotta

877
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: pick one, Hollywood or Kyler? Who would you pick? Oh

878
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: my goodness, because we we gotta play this game, because

879
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: neither of them. Kyler never ran a forty, and obviously

880
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: Hollywood was hurt. He wasn't able, so no one will

881
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: ever know. We just know that there they're fast. Un

882
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: that fast, it doesn't matter. Marquis always had that had

883
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: that foot deal, you know, for for some of his

884
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: career here, So we didn't want to. We already knew

885
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: he was fast. We didn't need to know exactly how

886
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: fast he was. He was fast enough to go past

887
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: people that we played, so we didn't want to, you know,

888
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: aggravate that foot anymore in the off season running forties.

889
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: But uh and Kylie the same thing. You know, he's

890
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: playing baseball, so he didn't run forties here. Um, I

891
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: don't know. I think both guys are high for three guys.

892
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: I mean, you've seen a lot of fast guys over

893
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 1: the years. I mean they're legit. They're not for three.

894
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: They're right there at it. Yeah four four? Oh how

895
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: about his how about his other running mate? I don't

896
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: know if he's that fast, but he's makes plays. Cedee

897
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: Lamb eleven catches and eighteen touchdowns in his two years playing. Uh,

898
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, he's a beast. I mean every time I

899
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: watch you guys, it's not just making catches, it's just

900
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: the one handers it's the contested catches, just a freak show.

901
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: And you see this draft, that guy from Arizona State,

902
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: it's just a contested catch a guy nikkil Harry that

903
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: I loved. This guy's better, you know, and you've been around,

904
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: you compared him to a guy you were around a

905
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: Fresno State And it's still one of the biggest crimes

906
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: in draft history that Davante went in the second round,

907
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, late in the second round too. Uh, how good?

908
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: How good is this guy? And you know, is he

909
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 1: kind of the guy now for you guys this season,

910
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: he's he is the guy and he may not have

911
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: all the flash and all the stuff that Marquis had,

912
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: but this dude is one of the better ones that

913
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: I've ever been around in my life. And uh again,

914
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm amost standing on the table for the guy.

915
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't know that he'll come out

916
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 1: this year, but he's gonna have the opportunity to um

917
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: and and again, I like I told you, I like

918
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: comparing with guys I've been around before. And uh, you know,

919
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: we had Davante Adams at Fresno and uh, you know,

920
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: Davante didn't run four four oh Um, but you know

921
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: he he was elite. You knew it his freshman year

922
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: when he's running scout team. Um, and this guy from

923
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: day one that he stepped on camp has been elite

924
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: as a freshman, as a sophomore, and then next year

925
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: as a junior. And he catches. I'm looking at a

926
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: picture on my wall right now with me in the background,

927
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: and he's just as fully extended one handed catch in

928
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: the ball in the air. I think it was U

929
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: c L a game. And Uh, he's just he's tough,

930
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: he blocks, he's gonna be you know, he runs fast

931
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: enough for that league. But he's big and he's developed

932
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: his body. I mean he's strong. He looks great right now.

933
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: He's gonna have a great, great season. I mean, not

934
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: many guys as a true freshman. I would imagine your

935
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: time in Oklahoma. I mean, was Deed still on the team.

936
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: Mark He's come on the scene and play right away

937
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: and then and play well. I think he had what

938
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: like eight touchdowns? Is a true Was he a true freshman? Yeah?

939
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: He was a true freshman. So did you when did

940
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: you know with him? Like early on in training camp, like,

941
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: oh my god, this guy, get him away from the

942
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: freshman's take him with the big boys? Like? Did that

943
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: that transition go pretty? QUI honestly knew on him off

944
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: a high school film. He was that good. He was

945
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: that good. And his recruitment, you know, after we offered,

946
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: he committed, and then he d committed because he wanted

947
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: to go around and see some other places because he

948
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: hadn't been able to go see a bunch of stuff yet.

949
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: Did that make you nervous? It did? Yeah, But but

950
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: the contact was still there. He still, you know, had

951
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 1: a great relationship with us, UM and he did exactly

952
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: what he said he was gonna do. He went and

953
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: took some visits and then I knew this is where

954
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: he wanted to be. So he recommitted to US and

955
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: it was the best thing and we all slept better

956
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: after doing that. Who was your biggest competition with him? Uh?

957
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: Probably l s u Um. I think that's what one

958
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: of the trips he went on um, probably them. Yeah.

959
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: At Frozen State, we were like shedding off Arizona States

960
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: and Nevada's and Oklahoma is a different ball game, you

961
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: guys at Georgia, No your game estate yea, I know,

962
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: I know you get the call, Hey, coach. You know,

963
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna check out some other places. Where are

964
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: you going? You know, I'm gonna check out Alabama and Georgia.

965
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, it's a little different ball game.

966
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: Would you say you recruit most of the guys? Like,

967
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: who would you call your biggest recruiting rival or is

968
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: there even one? I mean, it's it's you know, the

969
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: guys around here Texas and m uh. And then you know,

970
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: because we get out of our little area here in

971
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: the Midwest, and and you know, anytime you go down south,

972
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna run into recruiting battles. So we've run into

973
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: a couple down there in the South and and but

974
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: really it's just, you know, for the for the most part,

975
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 1: it's around here in Texas, Tea and m those guys.

976
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: I remember when we were a Fresno. Bob used to

977
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: come into California and get a guy or two. I

978
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: remember you got Kenny Stills. You guys, someone told me

979
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: that you just had to commit the coach on the

980
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: road at kid in California, I think in the in

981
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: the in the valley, like you guys still recruit California

982
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: until this day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, and we've got

983
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: Caleb Caleb Kelly on the roster from Fresno. Um So,

984
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: I love going in there and getting guess you don't

985
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: sleep on the valley produce some dudes. Uh So, I mean,

986
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: what's what's Drew hills schedule? Like, you know for this, uh,

987
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: how many more weeks these guys on the road? Uh?

988
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: This week? And then uh, you know they all got

989
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: a certain amount of days on the road with that

990
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: sight totals, so they'll you know, next week they'll have

991
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: like two or three days left a piece. So we'll

992
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: be winding down next week. So when when these guys

993
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: go out, have basically you and Lincoln gone over the

994
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: guys you want to hit the schools you want to

995
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: go through with that individual coach kind of is it

996
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: like a team effort or they just given a schedule

997
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: and then they kind of come back Like how does

998
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: the process work to pick and where exactly these guys

999
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: are gonna go. We we meet on it before they

1000
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: leave and and figure out everyone's schedule individually and then

1001
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: sit down as a staff and and they tell everyone

1002
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: where they're going, and then we we actually come back

1003
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,959
Speaker 1: every week, whether it be Friday or Saturday, and because

1004
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: we're usually in here on Saturday anyway, because unofficial visits,

1005
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: you know how, you know it's gonna be people are

1006
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: gonna be here. So usually Saturday we'll sit down and

1007
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: and go over the what they what they saw, and

1008
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: then we'll break up offense and defense and they'll go, uh,

1009
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: they'll go watch all the film and and we'll also

1010
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,959
Speaker 1: go over what they're gonna do in the next week.

1011
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: You know. The term, you know, like when we're a

1012
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: Friensdel like a diamond in the rough was probably a

1013
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: little different than for you guys, because the moment you

1014
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: find a guy that maybe other people's aren't on, that

1015
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:47,959
Speaker 1: you like and you offer, that becomes a national story, right, Yeah,

1016
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: no doubt, no doubt. But there's still that that part

1017
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: of me that still wants to to find that guy.

1018
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: You know, I want to go find that guy, that

1019
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: diamond in the rough. It may be recruited by smaller

1020
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: schools instead of the big boys, and you guys like them. Yeah,

1021
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: but how do you balance once you offer him, Once

1022
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: the guy gets an offer from Lincoln, Riley and Oklahoma,

1023
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: then other teams start recruiting them, right, Usually does that change? Yeah?

1024
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: We just got no Yeah, I mean you just gotta

1025
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: you gotta trust him what you do and trust that

1026
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: you know moving forward that you're gonna do everything you

1027
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: can to get that person. Well, Jalen Hurts quarterback this year.

1028
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: I know you guys, I was watching a little YouTube

1029
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: cut up this kid from Arizona, Spencer Rattler, that is

1030
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: gonna be there in the fall, and you were telling

1031
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: me you already got a guy on campus that was

1032
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: a five star kid from Texas. I mean, are you

1033
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: guys quarterback you right now? I mean just quarterback after

1034
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: quarterback after quarterback. I mean I would think this is

1035
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: quarterback you right now? Quarterback, you line, you, running back,

1036
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: you wide receiver. You let's go because I mean, you know,

1037
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: back in the day, like one thing we had at

1038
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: Fresno was ran a pro style offense. It was big.

1039
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: You guy guys drafted. You know it was good for guys.

1040
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: Clearly that does not you know that that throw that

1041
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: out the window now. I mean you guys just proved

1042
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: it back to back number one overall picks and they

1043
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: were short. So I mean, how much easier does that

1044
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: make it? Now that Lincoln's known as his quarterback whisper,

1045
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: you guys are going number one in the draft. If

1046
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: you were a high school quarterback, why would you not

1047
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: want to come play for you guys? I agree? I mean,

1048
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: do you want me to be done the recruiting pitches

1049
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: because I'll get in on him. You guys feed me

1050
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: come home. Maybe let's go. They're only gonna make us better.

1051
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: They got they got some good uh they got you

1052
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: guys got some good food around there, good cafeteria. Oh yeah,

1053
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: I know you like to eat. I like to eat,

1054
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: and I like my free swag from the equipment guy did.

1055
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: I would imagine they're a little more liberal about giving

1056
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: out free clothes at Oklahoma than they were. A friend

1057
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: and I struggled to get a pair of sweats. Remember

1058
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 1: we had the same pool over every game. It didn't

1059
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Speaker 1: people don't know this story. They're listening, I mean me

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Speaker 1: and you know it's still people that we know talk

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Speaker 1: not get off on the right foot. He hated me.

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Speaker 1: And then one time his machine that he watched all

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Speaker 1: the clothes in my school I d was in my

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Speaker 1: got into like the wherever and broke the entire machine

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Speaker 1: and they didn't know what was up until they opened

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Speaker 1: think I ever got anything that that's not mine. I

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Speaker 1: denied it. I said, I don't know, that's not me.

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Speaker 1: What did we say? They had to They had to

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Speaker 1: fly somebody in from overseas to come fix the things.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Fresno didn't have any They barely had any

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Speaker 1: money and they had to be like fifty grand to

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Speaker 1: fly into Classic Different. You guys, now you're with Jordan Brand.

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Speaker 1: You probably got so much swag you don't even know

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Speaker 1: what to do with. All right, Buddy Boomer, sooner Well,

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Speaker 1: I hope everyone enjoyed that. You don't get to hear

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Speaker 1: director of college personnel, you know, at a top five

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Speaker 1: program that's producing top NFL players. It's it's a pretty

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Speaker 1: unique interview. I don't know if you're finding that anywhere

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Speaker 1: else but Three and Out Podcast. Thanks for listening again.

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Speaker 1: Middlecoff mail bag always wide open at John Middlecoff in

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Speaker 1: my d m s on Instagram. Slide in answer questions

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Speaker 1: next week. See you have a good weekend. Audios