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Speaker 1: Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling raivalry. No, no, sibling.

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Speaker 1: You don't do that with your mouth, Vely, that's good.

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Speaker 1: We got to sit down with Russell and Clayton Peters.

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Speaker 1: It was really great. It's one of our first ones

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Speaker 1: we actually did. He has a special out now. They

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Speaker 1: came over and such a great relationship they those two

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Speaker 1: boys have. Yeah, I mean it's it's definitely interesting because

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Speaker 1: I mean, we'll get we'll get into all about it,

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Speaker 1: but it's pretty cool. But it was one of one

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Speaker 1: of our first ones. Yeah, and so we were sort

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Speaker 1: of you know, when listening back on it, it's just

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Speaker 1: funny because we were kind of, you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: green fun We were finding our way. I farted way

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Speaker 1: too many times into the microphone that we cut out.

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Speaker 1: I think all of them, all of your farts, we

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Speaker 1: left not one far. They're disgusting, I know, but you know,

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Speaker 1: it was interesting to hear. You know, we read his book,

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Speaker 1: but they had a really interesting childhood. It was fascinating

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Speaker 1: to hear them talk about growing up in Canada, not

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Speaker 1: giveaway too much, but what it was like to be

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Speaker 1: not just Indian, but of a certain Indian descent growing

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Speaker 1: up in Canada and how that sort of affected their

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Speaker 1: lives and again how different their perspectives are because Clayton's

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Speaker 1: older Clayton is Russell's manager, say that, and and has

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Speaker 1: been working with him for a long long time, and

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Speaker 1: he like loves hip hop. Hip hop is his thing, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's even how we completely started. Yeah, it just

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Speaker 1: started right off the bat. We started talking about hip hop,

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Speaker 1: and I think it was far side. So when the

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Speaker 1: episode starts, it's just like we're like, we're like writing

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Speaker 1: hip hop. But anyway, I really loved talking with them.

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Speaker 1: It's the hip Hop Hostel in the House hip Hop Evolution.

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Speaker 1: Have you watched that on Netflix? No? Yeah, that's his,

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Speaker 1: that's mine. He's like really seriously into hip hop big time.

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Speaker 1: He got an Emmy FOURD and the peabo really. Oh good.

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Speaker 1: I gotta check it out. It's a series. But but

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Speaker 1: the thing is, if you ever did research, which you don't,

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Speaker 1: and I do, I like, off the cuff, this is

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Speaker 1: how I work. What you realize is is that he

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Speaker 1: loved hip hop so much. But like you say that

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Speaker 1: you couldn't do I can let you answer this, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I can't wrap worth the damn but I DJ, right DJ.

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Speaker 1: And that was that was your freestyle all day. Tryle

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Speaker 1: I do it as a joke. Whenever Melly Mel calls

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Speaker 1: me so you you know, all these days and like

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Speaker 1: Mel called me the other day FaceTime, you know, tell

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Speaker 1: me congratulations, And whenever I answer the phone, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: it's the Emmy Ellie l L will my pocket smell.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell And he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you good for one bar. After one bar you fall apart.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like something like, oh man, there's the fall

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Speaker 1: apart right there. You funny dude, but you are passionate

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Speaker 1: about it. And then you started a hip hop evolution,

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Speaker 1: which I think was really cool. I gotta I gotta

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Speaker 1: check that out. I was approached by a buddy of mine.

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Speaker 1: It was it was thinking about doing a documentary on

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Speaker 1: hip hop, and then I was like, yeah, hell yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to be involved. One of the best shows

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Speaker 1: I saw was Daylight Tribe and Souls of myst You

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Speaker 1: at the Palladium and like in the you know, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: Nineties early nineties I was my mom wouldn't let me

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Speaker 1: go to Really I saw Dayla and Tribe in Toronto

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Speaker 1: at a place called the Palladium. Oh really Yeah, Amazing

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Speaker 1: Souls wasn't on it though. That was the best era.

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Speaker 1: My son's into it now and all I hear in

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Speaker 1: his room is all Ship bar Side Ship. The first

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Speaker 1: time I ever got bo stage? Yeah? What first time

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Speaker 1: I ever got booted off? Stage? Opening for the Far Side?

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Speaker 1: Really nineteen ninety three for the for the Bizarre Ride album.

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Speaker 1: How many times have you got boot on? Three? Like

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Speaker 1: definite booze three, big boot off opening for Far Side,

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Speaker 1: doing a show at the Bronx Barbecue at one thirty

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Speaker 1: in the morning on a Saturday night. That's inevitable, great

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Speaker 1: time slow and then sometimes one time in England but

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Speaker 1: it was more like some guys started bing me. Some

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Speaker 1: telling them to shut up, and then a fight broke out.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know how you do it In the nineties,

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Speaker 1: do you, Clayton? Do you sit there and want your

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Speaker 1: brother and sometimes just like do you have anxiety when

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Speaker 1: he's performing? I have had anxiety. Yeah, you know what

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Speaker 1: It's like. It's like that movie The Fighter with Christian

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Speaker 1: Bale And I remember I went to see that movie

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Speaker 1: at the end of that movie, just completely balling my

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Speaker 1: always like, what's wrong with you? She goes, I go,

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Speaker 1: the fight and everything. I think it's Mark Wahlberg, right

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Speaker 1: and yeah, and it's like a Mickey Award movie, right, sorry,

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Speaker 1: a Mickey Ward movie. Yeah. Right. And I came out

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Speaker 1: of there and I go, exactly the same thing. So

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Speaker 1: on stage, and there's times I'm like, all right, that's

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Speaker 1: enough enough with the chick and the black shirt, enough

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Speaker 1: with the chick and the black shirt. Enough right, enough

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Speaker 1: with the boxing story, enough with the boxing story. In

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Speaker 1: the back, I'm like, but do you ever do you

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Speaker 1: ever do that? Do you ever kind of like do

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Speaker 1: you ever see No, I can't because throw me right off. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it'll throw him right off. And I know that so

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Speaker 1: I just got to kind of, you know, bite my

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Speaker 1: finger in the back. And then when he's really riffing

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Speaker 1: and doing great, I'm sitting there with a big smile

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Speaker 1: on my face. But but there's a lot there. It

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Speaker 1: waffles between the two. There's times you're just like, all right,

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Speaker 1: that's enough with that, let's go, let's go, let's go right. Well,

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Speaker 1: you've always been his protector. I mean when I when

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Speaker 1: we're in the book reading about that, which is so

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Speaker 1: nice to hear because it reminds me of how I

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Speaker 1: was with Kate. And you're only three years old. There's

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Speaker 1: such a protector. No, no, she want me to be.

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Speaker 1: She didn't need me to be what she didn't need

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Speaker 1: me to be. But no, opposite. You're basically you're the baby.

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Speaker 1: I'm the middles. He's the first, I'm middle, Boston's middle,

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Speaker 1: and and and Wyan is the baby baby. But let's

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Speaker 1: go back because we want to I want to get

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Speaker 1: a story from from childhood, growing up together, because you

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Speaker 1: grew up actually in India. I was born born, born Calcutta. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the place. Your parents are from, Calcutta. Is it Calcutta? No,

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Speaker 1: there's three bass Yeah, yeah, that's where my dad's from. Okay.

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Speaker 1: He was born in Bombay, moved to barb where he

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Speaker 1: was the biggest city in India at the time. Oh. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then you were born there, and then I was

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Speaker 1: and then we left there when I was ten months old.

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Speaker 1: It was so you don't remember living in India. No,

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Speaker 1: his decision though not ten months. There were no opportunities

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Speaker 1: for Anglo Indians at that time. Well, Canada, but the

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Speaker 1: Canadian government said you can come here, but you cannot

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Speaker 1: have your baby here, right, so your mom had to

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Speaker 1: have you had to I think, yeah, she couldn't fly

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Speaker 1: when she was pregnant, things like that. She had to

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Speaker 1: have the baby there before they could. Yeah. I accepted

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Speaker 1: everyone into the country of Canada. And then six years

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Speaker 1: later he came along Ruined. Yeah, and so you were

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Speaker 1: in Ontario, Toronto. Yeah, we went straight to Toronto. Dad

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Speaker 1: because she'd seen David Copperfield or something like that as

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Speaker 1: times he was mistaken for being black. And our mom

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Speaker 1: the civil rights movement, and he was very he was

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Speaker 1: a big follower of like he used to follow Jack Johnson,

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Speaker 1: and he Paul Paul Robson was one of his one

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Speaker 1: university degree back then. I love what he said about

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Speaker 1: We would drive, I would dictate, he would record, really

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Speaker 1: and he would write it down. That's so great. But

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Speaker 1: up to think outside of them. Yeah, he really he

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Speaker 1: Now so she's like, oh, well you don't believe anything.

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Speaker 1: But let me ask your question, what about your intuition?

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Speaker 1: Where does your what does your intuition tell you anything

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Speaker 1: definitely and do you do you have? But do you

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Speaker 1: people that love you when they're alive, when they die,

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Speaker 1: they stay in your life in a spiritual way. That

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Speaker 1: so there's not some random person out there. It's like

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Speaker 1: they will. Like a month after my dad passed away,

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Speaker 1: a really key part of him. And even we've talked

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00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 1: about it, and he says, you know, I don't remember

425
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,679
Speaker 1: Dad like that. I only knew him as like he

426
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 1: was always very loving with me. But I was also

427
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 1: much as far different than he was growing up. I

428
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 1: was very outgoing and very affectionate, and he was very

429
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 1: put this way. He read comic books, and I didn't.

430
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 1: I mean, like, so people that read comic books are

431
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: into that other world of trying to find some escapism,

432
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to go to the park and

433
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 1: play with people. Well, I guess the escapism comes from

434
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: you know. We moved every year. I changed schools every year,

435
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 1: so I went to a different school. I can name

436
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 1: off all these schools from kindergarten to as you guys say,

437
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 1: first grade, second grade. Every year I changed schools. There

438
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: was only one time in there where it was like

439
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 1: grade four and five at the same school, but we'd

440
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 1: still moved within that year. And we lived in some

441
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: not particularly fancier nice places, you know, sort of naked

442
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: light bulb hanging from the ceiling, sleeping on a mattress

443
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 1: in the living room, because it was one bedroom apartment

444
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 1: type of thing, which didn't really phased me too much.

445
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 1: I knew it wasn't great. Right, So when we finally

446
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 1: did sort of settle down when we moved to Brampton

447
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 1: and we started to sort of establish roots and we

448
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 1: moved into a townhouse and at that point you would

449
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 1: have been five five, right, So things started to stabilize

450
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 1: at that point. So he knew a different version of life.

451
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 1: And he started school then, and so he went to

452
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 1: the same school all the way from grade one to kindergarten,

453
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: from senior kindergarten all the way to grade six. He

454
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: went one school, whereas I changed schools every year, so

455
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: I knew more nomadic lifestyle and I knew more of

456
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: the harder times than he knew. Yeah, I was in

457
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: that one school for nine years from kindergarten to eighth grade.

458
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: So and so as a result of that, I tended

459
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: to internalize more because I was a new kidden school

460
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: every year. Right, So for me, it was a it

461
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: was about sort of, as I say, just being hand soul.

462
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 1: I was alone and were you a good student? I

463
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 1: was not a good suitent. Oh, interestingly enough, because you're

464
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 1: add horrible. Oh, so you weren't a good student. I

465
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: could say, I mean I could, I mean, I could

466
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: tell you. I mean, come on, I absorbed everything, but

467
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I just couldn't focus in the classroom. It

468
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: wasn't eighty d. It was just boredom. Yeah, and I

469
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: couldn't know how to teach back then. And I couldn't

470
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,959
Speaker 1: understand how all the kids every year. Yeah, the eighties,

471
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to teach you. It's kind of like,

472
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: here's what it is, and if you can't learn it

473
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: this way, you're an idiot. So let's talk about mama

474
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: for a second. I gotta lie down and talk about this.

475
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: But you'd skipped Russell on his perspective on his father

476
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: that here's the thing with my dad. My dad was

477
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: my hero and there was nothing he could do wrong.

478
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: And like everything he did I watched and like he

479
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 1: would go, he would go to the mall. I would

480
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: go with him. I'm going grocery. I'm going with you.

481
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: I would carry the groceries. I do whatever the fuck

482
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: he wanted me to do, because I just wanted to

483
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 1: be close to my dad. Yeah, that's why you want boxing.

484
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: You got into boxing we got into boxing because my

485
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: dad used to box in India and then I would

486
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: get bullied and then he would come out and save

487
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: my ass. Every time that would get beat up in

488
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: the park. He would never have to do anything because

489
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: everybody was scared of him. He meaning me. Yeah, my brother,

490
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: my brother would come out and he was My brother

491
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 1: was in bodybuilding back then. Oh, it seems to have

492
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: gone another way lately. But I mean, you know, Gravity

493
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 1: is a motherfucker. But I mean he's a bit but

494
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 1: he was kind of bad pictures in the book. He

495
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: always had style and he always had like he always

496
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: knew what was going to be hot as supposed to

497
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: what was. I think the pictures in the book, the picture,

498
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: these pictures in this book made me so happy. I

499
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: can't even tell you. Well, now we're like it's like

500
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 1: we are like it's like we're brothers, you know. And

501
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: there's always that time when he's eighteen and I'm twelve

502
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: he doesn't want me to hang out with him. M hm,

503
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: oh yeah, was there that moment he always took care

504
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: of it wasn't it wasn't shitty, but wasn't it ever?

505
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: Like all right, dude, like that's enough. It wasn't. It

506
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: was more like, hey discovered girls. Yeah, you're just like

507
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: and you're that age, you're heat seeking messle, You're just

508
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: like I got a Yeah, this is fantastic. And he

509
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: had a stash horn on magazines in his laundry hamper

510
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: in his room and he would like put like clothes

511
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: on top of it. And I knew the stash is there,

512
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: so I'd go and grab the magazines and have a

513
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 1: look with the stash I stole from dad. Of course,

514
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: this is a family situation. It was a very sticky

515
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: hand me down. Yeah, and let's be honest, it's not

516
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: only the boys who are circulating. You know, when you

517
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: if you had a sister, there would still be circulating

518
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: situations happening. See, I can't imagine going up with I

519
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: probably would be a different person if I grow up

520
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: with sister, you probably would. I would probably have I

521
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: would approach women a completely different perspective on women. I

522
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: would know what not. Actually, there are some statistics on this.

523
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: Men who grow up with sisters have a far easier

524
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: time approaching women. And my mom grew up with two brothers,

525
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: so anything went as far as things that were said right,

526
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: So for me. It was like, oh, you could talk

527
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: to women just like you talk to guys. Right, So

528
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: if I was like, I say whatever, and then I

529
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: go that's offensive. I go, I didn't mean it any

530
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: What are you talking about it? It's treating you like

531
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: an equal. Yeah. So you had a very paternal I

532
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: mean you were. I mean yeah. I remember seventeen was

533
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: like my high school graduation and it was on a

534
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: boat in Lake, Ontario, and my brother used to go

535
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,959
Speaker 1: to this club that was right where the boat was ported.

536
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,239
Speaker 1: RPM yeah Rpm. I used to go there too, but

537
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: when it was all ages and then we pored it

538
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: and I remember going to my brothers had come by

539
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: and see me when you're done. So I came by

540
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: and it wasn't like oh my brothers. She was like,

541
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: hey man, how was it? And I go I was.

542
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: I remember it clicking going wait are we just talking

543
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: like this now? Like I'm out of high school now

544
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: and just like hey, so how was it good? I'm like, yeah,

545
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: I have a good night, and I'm like huh. In

546
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: my head, I remember going what just happened? Was my

547
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: brother being like a normal person with me? That's cool?

548
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: What is your mom's personality? Like? Is she strong? Is

549
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: she is strong? She's mental? She is strong, I got

550
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: I have to give her that. She is strong, though

551
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: wrong and strong. Libra. No, your dad's a Libra. You're

552
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: a Libra, and you're Libra. Mom's a sagittarys. Mom's are sad,

553
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: you're an area still is my son's and ares Yeah,

554
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: I did that for you, thanks, And my daughter's a libra.

555
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: I think my wife's scenarios. Your wife's scenarios, I think.

556
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: So here's the problem. My mom's been afforded the luxury

557
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: of being able to say whatever she wants, and because

558
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: her son is a famous comedian, everybody thinks that she's

559
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: funny too. Oh got it. And she lives in Canada,

560
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: so whatever she says, she's so crazy, so wacky. I

561
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: see where you get it from, and you're like, no,

562
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: that's definitely not where the fuck I got it from.

563
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: And she sees me on stage saying things to people

564
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: that are a little outrageous. But I don't say it

565
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: off stage, just say it on stage. Have a microphone

566
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: in my hand. I'm trying to make you laugh. You're

567
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,160
Speaker 1: writing jokes. Yeah, So my mom will just say things

568
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: and then try to cover it up when you get mad.

569
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: What was she like this when you were kid? No, well,

570
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: now here's the thing. She's completely different with his son

571
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: than she is with my daughter. Now with my daughter. Again,

572
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: like my mom grew up with boys and had boys,

573
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: so she only knows how to talk to men or

574
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 1: boys in that way. So when it comes to women

575
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: or girls, she's completely naggy with her. Like everything my

576
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: daughter does, she nags at. And my daughter's a really

577
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: really sweet girl, and she's just like, I don't understand,

578
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: like what Grandma's problem. Like, give me an example. I'll

579
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: give you a phenomenal example. My mom and my ex

580
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: and my daughter were driving home from Vegas one time

581
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: and my daughter was just being really sweet and she said, Grandma,

582
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: when I get older, I'm going to be a chef

583
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: and a doctor, so when you get sick, I could

584
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: take care of you. And my mom goes, I'll be

585
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: dead by the time that happens, and my daughter was like, ah, well, no,

586
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: it's true, it's true. I won't be alive. I'm like, yeah,

587
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: but why do you gotta say it? Why fucking six

588
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: years old? What are you doing to the kid? What's

589
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: wrong with you? Were your parents affectionate with each other. Yep,

590
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: always held hands. I have pictures of them in two

591
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: thousand and three when we went to Nagara Falls, me

592
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: my mom and dad and my my then girlfriend, and

593
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: I got pictures of them holding hands and and stuff,

594
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: and I have them on my laptop and I still

595
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: look at them. Really, that's pretty great. And they were

596
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: good dancers. They were they were big, great dance. They

597
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: were really into music and dancing. And they were when

598
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: I said, dance my dive. And my dad's favorite song

599
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: was a Bad Bad Leroy Brown by Jim Crochy. But

600
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: the first record he bought our mom was The Moon

601
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: River Moon rivera right, And they would all st the

602
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: platters and Glenn Miller and the spots. Do you look

603
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: at your parents as a is that your Do you

604
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: feel like you have to live up to that kind

605
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: of relationship? No, because they did fight a lot. There

606
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: was it was he was pretty pretty good fights too.

607
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: There was a big intellectual gap between the two of them,

608
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: so there were a lot of times I couldn't understand

609
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: how they were even together because like my dad was

610
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: constantly read the paper from front to back, and he

611
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: was always you know, he was analyzing things. But that's

612
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: my dad's side of the family. They're all thinkers, artists, chefs.

613
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: Your dad sounds amazing. Was your mom devastated when your

614
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: dad passed away? I mean, I think she overplayed it

615
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: a little bit. She was over the years now, Yeah,

616
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: she's gone through a number of different phases. So after

617
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: he first passed, she went through this whole thing, especially

618
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: with me, because that was also right when you were

619
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: moving down here as well. You moved down here about

620
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: two years later later, and so I was sort of

621
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: carrying a lot of the water on it. And she's like, Oh,

622
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: I can't talk to you, you know, I said, I said, Ma,

623
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: you need to talk to a woman of your age,

624
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: or just another woman in general. I said, if you

625
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: come to me with problems about dad, like you can't

626
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: talk to me about your relationship with Dad or things

627
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: like that, I can only offer you solutions as a man.

628
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: And she so she went through different phases where she

629
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: was devastated, and then she became really rebellious because she's like,

630
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to casinos every night because your

631
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: father wouldn't let me go, and your dad put me

632
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 1: on an allowance. And then I started making money, so

633
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: she was getting the allowance from me, so the money

634
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: didn't matter anymore. I was driving me nuts because I

635
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: was like, seriously, Ma, would she just gambled? Yeah, oh yeah,

636
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: I'd rather you did hookers and blow. I mean, I

637
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: don't need you. At least that's an experience. Ye last

638
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: longer than inheritance is gone. Sometimes the indigenous tribes of

639
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: Ontario have taken all of it. But in Upstate New

640
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: York and Upstate New York, did your dad get to

641
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: experience your success? Not at the level that it became? No?

642
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: Do you? I mean, this is from my father and

643
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: min myself is people ask me if there was one

644
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: thing you do with your father, I would want to

645
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: get drunk with them. Yeah, you never never did. I

646
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: never drank until I was thirty one. Why I just

647
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: didn't drink. It didn't occur to me. I still don't drink.

648
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: Why it hasn't ocurred to me? It never? It never took.

649
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: You just get super baked. No, I don't smoke. I

650
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: don't I don't do anything. Actually, you can tell you

651
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: don't have to be Did your parents drink? No? My

652
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: dad did your mom? No? Not a not a drop

653
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: you get high. No, no, I thing you're so. You're clean,

654
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: pretty clean, you're pretty straight. I haven't drank in a

655
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: long time. How much are you writing? I don't physically

656
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: write anything. You don't. I get on stage and I

657
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: spit and see what happens. You do, but you have concepts.

658
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: I have concepts, but I uh A lot of times

659
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: I just go up in freestyle and see what happens.

660
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: Oh for real? Yeah, Like a lot of like a

661
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: lot of rapper friends of mine would be like if

662
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: you you're like an MC up there, I go. But

663
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: I can't rap with the ship like I can't. My

664
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: voice is goofy sounds. Wait a minute, So how do

665
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: you do that without a prompt? Like you just it's

666
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: just it's it's it's your A D. D gifts like that.

667
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: It's like I've spoken to you. If I don't come

668
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: up with something, I look like an idiot. I am.

669
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: My ego is too high powered to let me look

670
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: like an idiot. Yeah. But Russell, if you're if you're

671
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: at the backstage of the comedy store and you're about

672
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: to you're thinking of the first thing the comedy store

673
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: walk out. No, I'm backstage the comedy store, and I'm

674
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: looking at everybody. I'm going he's a great rider, he's

675
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: gonna have great jokes, he's gonna kill. What the fuck

676
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: am I going to do? And then I listen and

677
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: I listen and I listen. I used to box everything

678
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: in It's boxing in my head. So I'm like, that

679
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: guy dropped the ball and that that joke didn't hit. Okay,

680
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: so they're not looking down that way or why didn't

681
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: that hit? And I'm kind of peeking through the curt

682
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, I think I know what I'm

683
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: gonna do. And then I get out there and I

684
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: look for the weakest person in the audience and I

685
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: go right at him. Then I start Then I start

686
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: going too, stronger, stronger people, stronger, stronger, stronger, stronger, so

687
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: that I don't look like I'm here to pick on

688
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: the weakest link. I'm here to get the big I'm

689
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: here to get the big fish. But I'm starting with

690
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: you to let them know I'm gonna get something, and

691
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: then I work my way up from there. Now, do

692
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: you feel like you have to fill your brain with

693
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, everything that's going on in the world pop culture?

694
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: Like oh, because I know everybody else before when the

695
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: show did that, everybody else was real. You know, here's

696
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: what's happened. Did you hear about blah blah blah from

697
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: the beginning, you've never had written material? No, from the beginning,

698
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: I would write. I would literally back in the day,

699
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: I would write literally word for if I was to say,

700
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: I would write it down. Wow. I was like that

701
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: anal about it. And then I think what happened was

702
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: one time I was at this club in Toronto and

703
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: I had my notes backstage in a binder in the

704
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: green room, not much of a groom, but not even

705
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: not even nowhere near the size of this room even

706
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: and this comic was on the show and he goes,

707
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: what's that. I oh, it's my notes. I was all

708
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: happy and I didn't you know, I was excited, like

709
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: it's my notes. And he was like can I look

710
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: at him and go yeah, please, And he looked at

711
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: him and he goes, this fucking shit, you're not getting

712
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: on my show. And I go what I thought he

713
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: was kidding? I go ses, he goes the fuck out

714
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: here with this shit, this trash, and I was so

715
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: hurt that I stopped. I think at that moment I

716
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: stopped writing down everything I was going to say? Did

717
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: you actually not go up? I didn't go up? He

718
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: was a dick. Holy stop me from going up. Tough

719
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: out there. It's a huge renaissance right now, especially at

720
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: the Comedy Store, and a lot of the people like

721
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: Bobby and the other guys that have been there constantly

722
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: stay before the renaissance probably resent a lot of the

723
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: people hanging out there right now because they're like, this

724
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: is where I was before you you know, and this

725
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: you know. And I've always been floating in between all

726
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: the clubs. I've never been consistently hanging out at any

727
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: of it because it's not missing my style. I like

728
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: to be a person before I be anything else, you

729
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Do you ever just like show

730
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: up and go do something at the Comedy Store, laugh

731
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: Factor or anything like that. You know, I'll just drop in. Yeah,

732
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: I got to do a spot tonight later on, but

733
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: so tonight, you don't have anything prepared, just gonna go

734
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: up there and fucking wing it. Yeah, Yeah, I love that.

735
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: I know it takes so much guts. It's therapeutic because

736
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: I talk about so much shit on stage. Sometimes people

737
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: like what He'll be like, what are you doing? Get

738
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: it out? I get it out. It's gone, you know

739
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, that's great. Was your family open

740
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: with healings? No? Do you do you say that that

741
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: you love each other? Like love you all the time?

742
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: We will never hang up without saying love you bye, okay,

743
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: even if it's like I'm going to pick up my okay,

744
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: love you bye. What do you say to him? Things

745
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: like when you do that? This is how I feel sometimes,

746
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: But my brother's very sensitive to that stuff. Really, Yeah,

747
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: sometimes he doesn't take it the way I'm saying it,

748
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: So I try not to say it because I'm like,

749
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't want him to misunderstand my meaning you have

750
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: an issue with him, or if there's something somebody will

751
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: say something like blah blah blah, and I'm like, I

752
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: want to bring it up to him, but I don't

753
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: want him to think I'm siding with that person. But

754
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: at the same time, I want him to know that

755
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: maybe this is something he could think about next time

756
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: or work on. And but I don't want to bring

757
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: it up because I know he'd like, well, fuck that

758
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: person and fuck you, And I'm you know, it sounds

759
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: like you're quite feisty yourself, only with me, and like

760
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: he'll get feisty with other people. People. Other people are like, oh,

761
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to your brother about this,

762
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, what is it? And they'll be like, well,

763
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, blah blah blah, and I'm like, all right, well,

764
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't really mean it like that. I

765
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: I try to like explain what he meant the way

766
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: he said it. I think we have to look at

767
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: some of the sources of these complots again, but it

768
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: is what we have to look at with the conduct.

769
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: Talk to me and I'll be like, I know when

770
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: people come to me to try and suck up to me,

771
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like, eh, whatever, dude, I mean, but sometimes

772
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: people say things and I'm like, okay, let me let

773
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: me figure this out for you. Like there's a huge

774
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: disparity between like how he deals with things and how

775
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: I deal with things. And that doesn't mean I'm right

776
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: or he's right. It means there's somewhere in the middle.

777
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: Is the right answer? Do you deal with things more

778
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: from an aggressive, angry standpo Oh, No, he's more cut

779
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: and dry when it comes to that. Yeah, I'm more

780
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: black and white, and I don't like to waste people's

781
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: time like your dad a little bit. Maybe. Yeah, if

782
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: you guys could go thirty two thousand feet above your relationship,

783
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: who would usually be the most practical and the one

784
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: that you would go okay most of the time. You're right,

785
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: it's tough to say. It's kind of a balance. Is

786
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: it's actually a decent balance between the two of its,

787
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: Like he goes that way and I go that way,

788
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: and then somehow it bounces us out to the middle.

789
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: As an artist and a comedian, he's about pleasing people.

790
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: So he's a people pleaser and and the worst thing

791
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: for him is to have somebody not like him. All right, Right,

792
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: that's a terrible that. You know, a therapist would say,

793
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: the worst thing that could happen to a child is

794
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: for them to become a people pure. Here's the problem

795
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: for me. I was bullied a lot. He was probably

796
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: bullied too, but I was a much smaller kid and

797
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: far more sensitive to that stuff because I thought I

798
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: was like, I was a happy kid, So I was like,

799
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: why the fuck are you mad at me? I didn't

800
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: do anything to you. So I was bullied, racially bullied,

801
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: and because I was a little bit darker than him

802
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: growing up too, and I was always be outside and

803
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: all my friends are black. I would just try to

804
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: get black as fuck them. I was like, I want

805
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: to look like that. It's that way I can blend

806
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,959
Speaker 1: in better. And so I would get bullied and called

807
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: names from five years old all the time. So that

808
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: defected me to the point where I didn't like myself.

809
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: So now that's why I think I didn't want a boy,

810
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: because I'm like, because I even say to people, I go, well,

811
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: if I don't like me, why the fuck am I

812
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: gonna like him? He's just another me? Mm hmmm. Yeah.

813
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff there. There's a lot of stuff.

814
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: I'm aware of it. But the problem is when you're

815
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: aware of it, it sounds like you're using that as

816
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: an excuse. So that's why people pay therapist to let

817
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: them say it for you. Well, that's not true. That's

818
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: not true. No therapy is good. I've suggested it to

819
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: him as well. Do a lot of comics that you

820
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: know suffer from depression or just feels like the path

821
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: of a comic can be very complicated at times, and

822
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: and that there you know a lot of their comedy

823
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 1: comes from pain or comes from you know, it really

824
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: is their defense mechanism. Oh, absolutely, well. How many friends

825
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: have you lost to suicide? A lot, A lot, a lot.

826
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: I was on the verge of losing one the other day,

827
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: so really, it's fucking crazy. It's very current. And then

828
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: hanging around black guys my whole life, A lot of

829
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: them I lost to murder. So I lost a lot

830
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: of great friends to murder, and then a lot of

831
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: lost a lot of friends to jail because they murdered.

832
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, I've lost a lot of people in my life.

833
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: So why do you think some of these comedians have

834
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: so much struggle? You know, why do you think there's

835
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: so much pain? It's kind of I don't know, it's

836
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: it's it's you're like, I'll give you Brodie Stevens for

837
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: an example. You know Brody. Yeah, Brody just killed himself

838
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: about a month and two months ago, and it hurt everybody.

839
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: But then Ian Edwards posted something that made me go,

840
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: that's probably the right way to look at it. Ian

841
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: Edwards posted and said thanks for sticking around for as

842
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: long as you did, because he wanted out a long

843
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: time ago. Mm hmmm, yeah, I think just pain. I mean, yeah,

844
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of pain, and you're fighting through

845
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: it all the time. But why is it? Why is

846
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: it comics? What's the link? We just want to make

847
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: you happy. We want to turn our pain into your happiness.

848
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: And and if all of a sudden I find myself happy,

849
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: I need to create some pain in my life to

850
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: maintain your happiness. That's interesting. So I can't be happy.

851
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 1: He can't be happy and you happy. Yeah, we can't

852
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: both be happy. I need to see you happy and

853
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: that makes me happy. Yeah. Everything sounds better than an

854
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: English accent, especially like if you're an announcer of like

855
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: trying to but my English accent is not great, but

856
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: we can practice mine's not great either. I mean, for

857
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: rest all do an English action. You've done an English

858
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: accent in movies, I know, but but I didn't think

859
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: it was as good as I wish it was. I

860
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: haven't done a movie. I would love to work on

861
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: my English accent, that's for sure. Well, I'll try it

862
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: if I want to do an English accent. Right, everything

863
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: does sound better. So if I'm going to you know,

864
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about your products and you know,

865
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: doing ads that we do for episodes. It would be

866
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: interesting if we did it in an English because the

867
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: point of this is to sell sell sell an English. Well, No,

868
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: we only want to share what we think is good

869
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: of right, I mean like of course right like For instance,

870
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: this this ad the first time that we're going to

871
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: do today is for a company that we both use,

872
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: for Sigmatic. So for Sigmatic is a company. They do coffee,

873
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: they do other drinks like turmeric lattes, or they do childlattes,

874
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: and that these powder forms they usually have some kind

875
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: of mushroom or fungi that allows a sort of wellness

876
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: component to a drink that we would normally drink. Well,

877
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: I've been drinking this coffee. We've been drinking this coffee

878
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: for I can't do the accent I think happening downtown Abbey.

879
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll do something different that's good, like this, that's good.

880
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: I think that people would think it does the coffee

881
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: taste like mushrooms. It doesn't at all, No, it doesn't.

882
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: It Actually it tastes like I've been drinking this coffee

883
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: for actually a year prior to even doing this, and

884
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it so much. It doesn't

885
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: give me that jittery feel. You know, No, it doesn't

886
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: have you actually the jitterbug. Don't drink the coffee if

887
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna do the jitterbug right after, because there's no jitters.

888
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: That's for real, there's no jitters. And it tastes amazing

889
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: and it does actually smells amazing. I wake up, I

890
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: set my brew for six fifteen, I come down my stairs,

891
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: actually santo down my stairs, and the aroma just brings

892
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: me to life just right there. I mean, boom fabulous

893
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: for me personally. It sort of like helps you skip

894
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: the second or third cup, so sort of like one cup, yes,

895
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: actually quite good one and everything. Yeah, we must talk

896
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: about the chaga. Oh right, the chaga mushroom. It's the

897
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: king of mushrooms. Yeah, it's quite popular right now. No,

898
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: it's big, it's hot. Yeah. Oh, the chogga mushroom has

899
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: become sort of like the thing of the moment. There's

900
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 1: a reason for that. It's a what's your immune system? Right?

901
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: For Sigmatic, it's it's organic, it's fair trade, vegan, keto,

902
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: sugar free, dairy free. I love mosto the name. Only

903
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: fifty foods qualify as four Sigmatic because they are four

904
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: sigmas standard deviations above average food. That's all great, but

905
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: I just like the way it sounds. For Sigmatic, it's

906
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: strong and they are They always offer offer offer. They

907
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: always offer one hundred percent money back guarantee so you

908
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: can try it risk free. And of course we have

909
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 1: a special offer for the Sibling Revelry audience. Receive twenty

910
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: percent of your for Sigmatic order. Go to four Sigmatic

911
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: dot com slash sibling or enter code sibling at checkout

912
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: that is f O U R S I G M

913
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: a tic dot com sibling to receive twenty percent of

914
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: your order. That was very nice. Was that good? Yes,

915
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: very nice. It's okay for me, But what? What do

916
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: I know? I feel like we should do one more

917
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: ad like this just so that we can like practice

918
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: right right, But I think we did when we should

919
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: get I know, I would be surprised if for Sigmatic,

920
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: I just want to sell every piece of their product out.

921
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: I just I just want to. I just want people

922
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: to know that this is not a joke that we

923
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: really do love We do love it this product. But

924
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: at the same time, I think it's kind of fun

925
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: for us. It's I think it's fun for us, it's

926
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: fun for oldies, it's fun for many people. Oliver, have

927
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: you heard about the company making style of shoes for

928
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: women and girls out of recycle plans? Oh? My god,

929
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: I hasn't heard about these shoes. They've thirty five million

930
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: water bottles from various landfills around the Yes. Yes, And

931
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: they're crazy comfortable and they're fully machine washable. Oh gosh,

932
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: they don't stink no, because you can wash them. And

933
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: Rathy's has quickly grown to a most loved got to

934
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: have them brand. They're playful, playful designs. They had fun

935
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: pops of color perk up every outfit while still looking

936
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: polished in professional yees. So it's no surprise they have

937
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: over one thousand nearly perfect reviews. Darling, you know the

938
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: one Yahoo editor recently called them the most comfortable flats

939
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: I've ever owned. Wow, that's pretty amazing. Rothy's said they

940
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: own and operate their manufacturing workshop their own manufacturing workshop, right,

941
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: And the reason why this is pretty amazing is because

942
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: they prioritize their sustainability in every step of the way.

943
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: So that means Rathy's shipped directly in their shoe box,

944
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: no unnecessary packages by the way. That's great. There's so

945
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: many things that come in packaging that you just toss

946
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: away in the garbage bin with a rubbish bin. But

947
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: that is why Rothi's is making it a priority to

948
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: make sure that they are looking at every way in

949
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: which they can be kinder to the environment. Yes, and

950
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: did you know the BuzzFeed called them there forever shoes,

951
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: so our audience you know they can. You can check

952
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Speaker 1: out all the amazing styles available right now at rothis

953
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Speaker 1: dot com slash sibling. Go to rothis dot com you

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955
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Speaker 1: o M slash sibling to get your new favorite flats, comfort, style,

956
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Speaker 1: and sustainability. These are the shoes that you've been waiting

957
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Speaker 1: for a right so head to rathis dot com slash

958
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: sibling today. Oh and f yi, a flat is not

959
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: a place you live in this scenario. What was mom

960
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: like with dad though? As a mother? What was she

961
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: like when you were younger? Well again, two different experiences. Okay,

962
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: so with you she was great. I never knew, I

963
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 1: never I never had a good relations but yeh see

964
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: I thought she was great. I was actually when I

965
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: close to her and when I was a kid. I

966
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: was irritated by her a lot real why just her

967
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: parenting style, And then I realized, now when I stay

968
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: her with my daughter, I go, holy fuck, that's the

969
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: person I didn't like either. And she wonders when my

970
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: daughter doesn't react to her. Sometimes I'm like, because you're

971
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: doing the same shit you did to me. Just nag, nag, nag, Like, dude,

972
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: can I just fucking breathe for a minute. It's always

973
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: like this, did you? But I never had that with her?

974
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: But did you see that how she was with him?

975
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: I don't have that recollection of it. I really don't.

976
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: I remember as a kid, I was very I was

977
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: very resentful, and because my mom was very fair skinned

978
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: and I was very dark skinned, I always and I

979
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 1: dealt with so much racism outside the house. I would

980
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: always come in the house. I remember saying things to

981
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: my mom like because you're fucking white. I wouldn't say

982
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: because because you're white that, and I'm like, it's like, well,

983
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: what's what I mean, I'm white. I'm like, well, you're

984
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: white and I'm not. You're you know. I just figured

985
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: like it was just carried over to the house. So

986
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: I looked at my mom like she was white. My

987
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: dad was darker, so I related to him better because

988
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: he was experienced racism from white people. Yes, outside the house.

989
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: That's why I'm around black mother and think that, well,

990
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: she's on me because she's racist as well. Yeah. I

991
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: just it really dug home for me at a very

992
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: young age, So that's pretty deep. All my friends were

993
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: black growing up because I didn't have any problems with them.

994
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: So growing up with the black kids, I was like, oh,

995
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: thank god, somebody's darker than me. They're going to get

996
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: it worse. But I still got it worse because in Canada,

997
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: the worst thing you could be in the seventies was

998
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: an Indian person. You were the lowest form of human species.

999
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: The racism from England came over. It was pretty bad. Yeah,

1000
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: pretty bad, pretty bad. What do you what do you

1001
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: feel like? It's like today it's completely on its head now,

1002
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: but I mean still there, but it's not. It's definitely

1003
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: not as overt as it used to be. But do

1004
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: you experience racism? I don't personally. I mean I'm sure

1005
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: I do on a different level, but Canada, I'm not recognized.

1006
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sort of aware. We can see it

1007
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: when we walk into a room, you know where it is.

1008
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: And now with sort of the political situation globally in

1009
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: North America, there's a swing to the right, so you're

1010
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: seeing certain people feeling empowered. And there was a sort

1011
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: of a spade of attacks in southern Ontario where I

1012
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: live recently or over the last twelve months. So now

1013
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: I you know, I keep certain things in my car

1014
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: just because they're literally attacking like South Asian people and

1015
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: parking lots and things like that. It's not it's sort

1016
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: of died down now, but there is. There was a

1017
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: big right wing sort of empowerment of anti immigrant, anti refugee,

1018
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: you know, that type of thing that started last year.

1019
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: It's died down quite a bit. Now we haven't seen

1020
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: the same attacks, but I'm very much aware of it.

1021
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: Have you experienced anything like that? I trained jiu jitsu

1022
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: three times a week and I'm a blue belt with

1023
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: two stripes, So I'm like, I kind of like, do

1024
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: you really Yeah? I do, so in my head I'm like,

1025
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: do it, go for it. I fucking dare you too up.

1026
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: I'll put you to sleep really quickly. So when you're

1027
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: to hurt you, I'll put you to sleep. And lay

1028
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: you down and I'll walk away. That's all I want

1029
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: to do, just to let you know. Don't fucking just

1030
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: do ship? Yeah, I mean yeah, even when you're on

1031
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: the road, you don't get ship. No, not really. I

1032
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: mean if I do, I pretty much handle it. But

1033
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: our dad taught us not to take any ship. That

1034
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: was his big thing. Dad was a really little guy. Yeah,

1035
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: he was small. He was five was five four five

1036
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: five at the five five five at his tallest. If

1037
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: you could describe each other in like two sentences, I

1038
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: want you guys to describe each other's personality. Clayton for

1039
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: us two sentences to go first, so you can think

1040
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: about this. Yeah he's quick. Okay, So since you're two sentences.

1041
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: My big brother, my protector, my always, and I don't

1042
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: mean panty leinner sometimes except for with wings. Why are

1043
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: there wings? Just in case the sentences, I've got a

1044
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: lot of commas here, a lot of commas, with a

1045
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: lot of commas. Protector, my protector, my big brother, my always,

1046
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: with wings, with wings, my constant. That's one sentence. I

1047
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: love it. I don't know why any Why do I

1048
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 1: need a second? That's amazing. I don't need a second

1049
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: he's my little brother, and uh, that kind of sums

1050
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: everything up. He's just my little brother. I'll tell you.

1051
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Speaker 1: I can't do it in two sentences, but i'll tell you.

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00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a quick anecdote is on our father's deathbed,

1053
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: he said, make sure you look after your brother. And

1054
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: so everything that's happened since then has been to honor

1055
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: that request, to make sure I look after my brother.

1056
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: So whenever he does something that I can't control or

1057
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: I feel he's going in the wrong direction, I feel

1058
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: like somehow I've let him down or I've let our

1059
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: So for me, it's always been about looking after my

1060
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: little brother. And you know how he said about being

1061
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: the protector. I always feel safe when I'm with my brother. Okay,

1062
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: so you've let him take care of you too, yes, okay,

1063
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: Oh that was amazing. Geez. I mean that's one way

1064
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. If you could tell your brother,

1065
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: if right there, okay, you get this is true, the

1066
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: something that you wish not to change about him, that

1067
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: you wish he could have something that in his life

1068
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: that you could say, God, I just wish you would

1069
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: you could do this and you would be this. You

1070
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean like, if you could just open up,

1071
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: if you could just get rid of your anger, if

1072
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: you can just be this y that thanks for asking

1073
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: an answer, So what would it be, they just thought,

1074
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, lose the anger. No, not the anger.

1075
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: I just wish. I wish my brother would have the

1076
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,959
Speaker 1: a slightly more carefree attitude. He's very practical and thinks

1077
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: about the future, which is normal and nice, but at

1078
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: the same time live a little bit. Like I literally

1079
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: have to convince him to do certain things, Like he

1080
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: just got a new car, and I was like, please

1081
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: get the big engine. Please don't get the fucking one.

1082
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 1: I don't think I didn't. Okay, cool, but the last

1083
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: fantastic for your bro. For my brother, uh, to lose

1084
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: the the need to be liked by everyone and I

1085
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: and and and perhaps the insecurity that comes with that,

1086
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: dude of having to have everybody beyond side, to have

1087
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: everyone beyond side, to press other people and things like that.

1088
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: To just just relax. So as much as he's telling

1089
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: me to relax, I'm also saying to him the same time,

1090
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: just to relax and enjoy us. So it's middle ground

1091
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: is amazing. Yeah, I think I've subsequently as I'm getting older,

1092
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: and you know, it's my thirtieth year of doing stand up.

1093
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: So at this point, I'm like, you know what I

1094
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: put in enough time, and if you like me or

1095
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: don't like that, at this point I start I'm starting

1096
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: to not give a shit if you like me or

1097
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: don't like me anymore. And it's kind of a very

1098
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: relieving feeling, right, it's liberating. But you would do an

1099
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: ex certain extent already have it. You're a comic. If I,

1100
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: in my normal life tell a joke that doesn't go

1101
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: over or whatever, it's a horrifying feeling. Who would your

1102
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: parents would say, who is the most athletic? Oh, he is, really, absolutely,

1103
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: even if you being a bodybuilder. Yeah, but I boxed clearly,

1104
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: I'm fifteen years old. Onwards. My dad would say really

1105
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: rude things to him. Yeah, my dad would say really

1106
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: mean things to him sometimes. Gleed and I can hear

1107
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: you lumbering on like a bloody elephant up there like

1108
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I can hear you a brother

1109
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: the elephant running around upstairs. They were closer in disposition

1110
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: that way too. I was again, I thought it was hilarious.

1111
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: I was my brother expt myself. So do you do

1112
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: you feel like from your perspective that you were just

1113
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: as much as a father to him as your father.

1114
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: I would yeah, I would say that. Yeah. And our

1115
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: dad was working shift work and uh, and he was

1116
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: working into his seventies. He's working into a seventies. He

1117
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: lost needed money. Yeah, he lost all his money and

1118
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: the bad Yeah. And that was his best friend, right,

1119
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: who basically was my godfather. That's so fucked up. Where's

1120
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: that guy now? He's still a lot of that around.

1121
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing. Evil fucking doesn't die. Wow. But

1122
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: how does something that go that go down and and

1123
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: and not and and there would be no retribution? Do

1124
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, how does that not

1125
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: get taken care of? It just happens. I mean, they

1126
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: took the money and then our my dad and our

1127
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: family were on the hook for it, and other people

1128
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: were on the hook for the outstanding mortgages on those

1129
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: investment properties and things like that. And so if you

1130
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: talk about one of the reasons that I'm not so

1131
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: care free, because I also internalized that, right, So I

1132
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: also carried that with me as well. So it's like, well,

1133
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: that's what happened to dad. I don't want that to

1134
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: happen to me. How long was it you guys did

1135
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: not speak for a while. Really, you went through a

1136
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: period where you did not It was been around eleven

1137
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: twelve years ago, and you you almost broke a ways

1138
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: as manager client. To be honest with me, that I

1139
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: don't even remember what triggered it, because I taken negative things,

1140
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: but especially with my brother, and I block them right

1141
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: out of my head because I'm like, well, why do

1142
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: I need to hang onto that shit for when I

1143
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: have a great brother in front of me right now?

1144
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: Am I going to linger on in the bad shit?

1145
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: It was part of that transition phase of going and

1146
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: he put it most socincly of we knew how to

1147
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: be brothers, but not how to be manager client. We

1148
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: didn't understand that dynamic at that time. All right, which

1149
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: one of you is better in a stressful situation? I

1150
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: don't know. It's a tough one. It depends on what

1151
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: the stress is. It really does depends what the catalyst is. Okay, there,

1152
00:57:54,560 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: something's right, I will it's the road. That movie freaked

1153
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: me right out. Yeah, It's like like Yellowstone, Yellowstone has exploded.

1154
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: We are about to go down. I think I think, actually,

1155
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: I think we're probably both similar there that we'd both

1156
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: be okay. It's like we just kind of pragmatic about it.

1157
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: I'd be more concerned about calming down my daughter. I'm

1158
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: concerned that Yellowstone is concerned about food. Well, Yellowstone exploded. Like,

1159
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: there's so many different There's so many other ways the

1160
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: apocalypse can happen other than yellow You obviously don't know

1161
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: anything about yellows. Of course I do. What just Yellowstone,

1162
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: But there's so many different There's so many This is

1163
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: the big world volcano. I know. First woman you remember

1164
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: having a crush on in real life celebrity celebrity, I

1165
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: think that would have been Alivia Newton John in Greece.

1166
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: I had a poster, the poster for Grease on my

1167
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: wall and nobody knew this, but I would make out

1168
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: with Olvington John's picture every night and I was eight

1169
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: years old. Wow. Mine was Nicole Eggert from Charles in Charge.

1170
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: I think her name was Charlene Tilton. I remember Charlene

1171
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: Tilton Dallas and she was in the James Bond movie too.

1172
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: She was a skater and I was just completely let

1173
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: me say something just first of all, to be respectful.

1174
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: I left your mom out of this. I did have

1175
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: a big crush you did huge Wow, huge eighties, Wildcats,

1176
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: private bench, ben overboard. That bothered me over because I

1177
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: knew that she was with your day time. I was like,

1178
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: she's cheating on me. I am what's the talent you

1179
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: wish you had? Play drums? You don't play drums. I

1180
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: don't play drums. I wish I could play drums. Beatles

1181
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: are rolling Stones, rolling stones? I hate the Beatles? Possible?

1182
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: Can you change it to Beatles or led Zepplin? Because

1183
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: I fucking love led Zeppelin? What about rolling Stones? Led Zeppelin?

1184
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: Led Zeppelin all day? Me too? Zeppelin? Great? How could

1185
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: you hate the Beach? I can't stand the why you

1186
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: want to hear irony? I like the wings do It's

1187
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: just wings whatever they are. I don't mind the wings,

1188
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: the Beatles, the ship out of me. What would you

1189
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: classify as your favorite hip hop album of all time?

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01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: Favorite hip hop album of all time would be hmmm,

1191
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: it has to be something to listen to. Back to

1192
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: Front I would say the Infamous really really mob deep

1193
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: Yeah really their second album from Front to Back, The

1194
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: low End Theory. That's I was going to say I

1195
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: was gonna say Tribe or High Rising. Yeah, I was

1196
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: gonna say Tribe for Dayla. Illmatic for me is the

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01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: perfect album. An interesting fact. Love it so much I

1198
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: preferred it was written No, I love Illmatic, but I

1199
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: preferred it was written Wow. I mean, I love it

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01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: ever freestyle. I do it in the car with my

1201
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: daughter on any music that's playing, and I changed the

1202
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: lyrics to fit whatever is happening in the car at

1203
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: that moment, and she loves it. I want to say

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01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: thank you to both of you guys for coming in.

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01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: This has been awesome. It's been lovely meeting you, lovely

1206
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: seeing you again. And the one thing we like to

1207
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: leave with would be if you could give a piece

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01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: of advice to siblings out there that are having a

1209
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: hard time getting along or in a moment of crisis

1210
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: and not connecting with each other. What would that piece

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01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: of advice be to that person? Just love each other.

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01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: That's it. You've only got each other. Your parents are

1213
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: going to be gone one day, and that's it. Just

1214
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: love each other. That's all. That's all you can do.

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01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's all we got. I mean, it's true,

1216
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: everyone else will go away. But you'll still have Oliver

1217
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: and you Also at the same time, when I do

1218
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: certain things, I think in my head, will my brother

1219
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: think this is cool? Of course, like a lot of

1220
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: times when I'm making these decisions, like will he dig this?

1221
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: If he likes it, then it's got to be good.

1222
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: And I'm aware that I'm also the voice in his head,

1223
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: So I'm also very cautious about criticism and being too

1224
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: hard on him. So I'll internalize a lot of stuff

1225
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: because much the same way that he's protecting my feelings,

1226
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm protecting his feelings as well, because I also know

1227
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: he sort of steers the ship like he knows if

1228
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: he goes, you know that's gonna be good, and I'll

1229
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: kind of go that way. He'll rebel he can be rebellious,

1230
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: but at the same time a lot of things, but

1231
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: not him as much. I'm aware that I am the

1232
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: voice in his head. So that is a powerful position

1233
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: to be for somebody. And so you have to be

1234
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: careful with your words, be careful what you said. You

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01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: guys have a really interesting, cool dynamic. You guys are

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01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: the best. This is awesome. This was awesome, you guys.

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Speaker 1: Sibling rivalry is Executive duced by Kate Hudson, Olira Hudson

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Speaker 1: and sim Sarna. Supervising producer is Alison Presnik. Editor is

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Speaker 1: Josh Wendish. Music by Mark Hudson aka Uncle Marke.