Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it is the Queen of Extreme fran Scene
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Speaker 1: to talk about today?
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Speaker 3: Today's episode features the top five ecw angles, the still
Speaker 3: hold up and five that age poor Lee, according to
Speaker 3: the sports website now the Sports.
Speaker 1: Kir We disagree with them in the pant haven't we
Speaker 1: we have? Okay, there is this the one with the
Speaker 1: British guy that you were making fun of his voice.
Speaker 2: More than likely they're all British guys.
Speaker 1: I love the British. I love their accents, though I
Speaker 1: could listen to them all day long. Well, I will
Speaker 1: give my two cents if you know I disagree, and
Speaker 1: I assume you will do the same. But there's a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys out there that just will crap
Speaker 1: on the product and they don't get it. They don't
Speaker 1: get the angles we were trying to pull off. Or
Speaker 1: you know, the bumps we were trying to take, or
Speaker 1: the psychology. They just don't get it. So these writers
Speaker 1: sometimes miss the mark. So curious to see what they
Speaker 1: think is good and what they think is crappy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3: We've watched them on Patreon before and we've watched more
Speaker 3: of the videos.
Speaker 2: This is going to be an.
Speaker 3: Actual article, and this is also from twenty twenty, so
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if the author of this
Speaker 3: article still still feels the same way. But in terms
Speaker 3: of something that you look at as being, you know,
Speaker 3: a discussable topic, ECW's been gone since two thousand and one.
Speaker 3: So the debate ended the moment the doors were closed.
Speaker 2: So you, being the.
Speaker 3: One who was involved in a lot of angles, and
Speaker 3: I'm sure watched a lot of the products, you are
Speaker 3: to me the best person to ask this. Now, let
Speaker 3: me ask you this. Take out any of the ones
Speaker 3: that you were in. What's like, what's one that just
Speaker 3: stands out to you before we dive into the list
Speaker 3: that just not a personal favorite, but just one that
Speaker 3: stands out to you as one that holds up.
Speaker 1: Well. I mean, I think it was the worst angle
Speaker 1: we ever did, but the crucifixion angle. That one's will
Speaker 1: always stick out like a sore thumb to me because
Speaker 1: I absolutely, we positively hated it. I thought it was
Speaker 1: in poor taste. And in listening to this podcast, the
Speaker 1: one episode where ae W did something on Good Friday
Speaker 1: with the remember we discussed that as well, so they
Speaker 1: were trying to like redo an angle that we did
Speaker 1: years ago. I just think that was one of the
Speaker 1: worst worst angles in wrestling history, and it's embarrassing. I'm
Speaker 1: so glad, you know, if they had asked me to
Speaker 1: be a part of it, I would have absolutely rejected
Speaker 1: it and said absolutely not. There's no way I would
Speaker 1: have done anything like that. And people can say, oh, again,
Speaker 1: it's just wrestling, or it's just an angle, but it's
Speaker 1: in poor taste. I think that that was one of
Speaker 1: the worst worst angles in the history, not even in ECW,
Speaker 1: in the history of professional wrestling. I absolutely loathed it.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I'm not going to give you
Speaker 3: a spoiler per se, but I am going to jump
Speaker 3: ahead just a little bit just to show you that
Speaker 3: you and the sports there Greek because they're number nine
Speaker 3: aged poorly angle or their number two is raven and
Speaker 3: Sandman's crucifixion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just didn't. And to even have like Tyler
Speaker 1: out there as a child, Like was he out there
Speaker 1: doing I can't even remember if he was part of this,
Speaker 1: but you know, there were kids in the audience, and
Speaker 1: it's just in it's just in poor taste. It was
Speaker 1: disgusting to me. And I know there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people out there who don't believe in religion and who
Speaker 1: are atheists, and that is fine, but when you are
Speaker 1: insulting the majority, you need to think twice about what
Speaker 1: you're putting out. And this one was just a disgusting,
Speaker 1: cheap way to get some kind of reaction. And when
Speaker 1: you have people walking out and wanting their money back,
Speaker 1: there's a problem. I'm not saying the whole arena walked out,
Speaker 1: but there were people who were offended and stood up
Speaker 1: and walked down. I've never seen that happen at one
Speaker 1: of our shows before. It's the first time I've ever
Speaker 1: seen that happen. So yeah, this will never age well
Speaker 1: in my mind. And when people say, like, what's the
Speaker 1: worst thing you guys ever did, I always say crucifixion.
Speaker 2: Angle also cost you guys, Kurt Angle.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he got pissed and walked out too. He
Speaker 1: was just like I'm out of here, which was probably
Speaker 1: the best thing he could have did, because we didn't
Speaker 1: have WWF's money at the time, and that's where he
Speaker 1: ended up. And look at the career he had.
Speaker 2: That's that's great.
Speaker 3: I just don't know how he would have fit, you know,
Speaker 3: and even when you see the footage of him in
Speaker 3: the ring, it just doesn't look right.
Speaker 1: Well. I think I think he would have fit in
Speaker 1: fine because we had the Malenkos and the Eddie Guerreros
Speaker 1: and them as well.
Speaker 2: In ninety five.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about that ninety six on ECW or like
Speaker 3: at least ninety six ECW.
Speaker 2: I can't see Kurt angle in there.
Speaker 1: I see I can, because right than he was a
Speaker 1: I mean he he was a pure wrestler. He came
Speaker 1: from that amateur wrestling background and an Olympic gold medal.
Speaker 1: Like I, I just saw him as one of our
Speaker 1: top guys. I think Paul would have pushed him to
Speaker 1: the moon, but I just don't think that he would
Speaker 1: have had the money that he had over In fact,
Speaker 1: I know he probably wouldn't have had the money that
Speaker 1: he had with Vince McMahon and WWF so. But I
Speaker 1: think it was a blessing for Kurt and it was
Speaker 1: a curse for us because I think we really had
Speaker 1: a missed opportunity by losing him. But I remember he
Speaker 1: was outraged, raged, and he was just like, what is
Speaker 1: going on? Where it's I was like, oh, okay, so
Speaker 1: you win some, you lose some, but it just you know,
Speaker 1: as a Catholic, Christian, Catholic, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 1: I was highly offended by that angle. And I've said
Speaker 1: this so many times. I got it right in Paul's
Speaker 1: face and was like, that was disgusting. You need to
Speaker 1: go and apologize. You need to get somebody out there
Speaker 1: and say they're sorry. And my god, when Scotty went
Speaker 1: out there, Raven, it was the worst apology I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: His heart was not into it, he did not want
Speaker 1: to do it. He was forced to do it. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I was the one who got them to
Speaker 1: get him to do the apology, but I did make
Speaker 1: myself very vocal in saying that was the most disgusting
Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen. I was so outraged and reluctantly
Speaker 1: Paul sent him out there so you know, you have
Speaker 1: a jew, Paul Hayman's Jewish, and Scottie and Sam Man
Speaker 1: is an atheist, so they had no dog in the
Speaker 1: fight in that and it didn't bother them, But my
Speaker 1: God didn't bother everybody else. And I was probably one
Speaker 1: of the only ones who had the balls to open
Speaker 1: my mouth and say, uh huh, not cool.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, Yeah, kurd angle, you lost out
Speaker 3: on the kurd angle. Taz, you lost on on kurd angle.
Speaker 2: Shane. You know, it's a.
Speaker 1: Lot that we couldn't Yeah, because when like Shane and
Speaker 1: I stood with him before that angle happened, he seemed
Speaker 1: generally excited to be there, like you know, he seemed
Speaker 1: like he was ready to go and happy about being
Speaker 1: in the building and meeting everybody. And then once he
Speaker 1: saw what he said saw, he was gone, like whoever
Speaker 1: took him there is like, get me out of here,
Speaker 1: and that was it. And I was like, yeah, great,
Speaker 1: great going, Paul, way to go.
Speaker 3: One of those what ifs, Yeah exactly, Lore, all right,
Speaker 3: so let's get back to the top of the count
Speaker 3: down here. So this is in the holds up column, okay,
Speaker 3: And I would one hundred percent agree with this, and
Speaker 3: I think you know the person in the picture pretty well.
Speaker 3: The angle that they have holding up very well is
Speaker 3: Tommy Dreamer and Raven and oh who I spy one
Speaker 3: point of extreme in.
Speaker 2: The picture right nice Raven's return.
Speaker 3: So they are saying that they put the Tommy Dreamer
Speaker 3: Raven angle as a whole at the top of this list,
Speaker 3: where the entire duration of it from start to finish,
Speaker 3: their feud going back being kids at summer camp, the
Speaker 3: inclusion of Beulah, the fact that Tommy could never beat Raven,
Speaker 3: the fact that took them till he he finally did
Speaker 3: beat Raven, and the loser leaves town match and then
Speaker 3: what happens, Oh Raven's back, then they're tag champs together,
Speaker 3: the love hate relationship, your inclusion, then all the fighting in.
Speaker 2: Between the three of you. It never stopped with this duo.
Speaker 1: No, And I feel like part of the reason why
Speaker 1: this can hold up well is myself included in this.
Speaker 1: But people like when angles go longer than three weeks.
Speaker 1: We've talked about this, everybody flip flops anymore. Paul knew
Speaker 1: how to tell a story and make it last, you know,
Speaker 1: extend it and keep people wanting more, and because Tommy
Speaker 1: never beat Raven, the storyline could continue because there was
Speaker 1: always the chase, there was always the hunt. You know,
Speaker 1: Am I ever gonna beat them? I don't know, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. And the crowd was invested in it. And
Speaker 1: I had said prior my involvement, and then this wasn't
Speaker 1: my favorite angle. I didn't like the fact that they
Speaker 1: were fighting over me. I thought it was just like
Speaker 1: a continuation of what they did round one and here
Speaker 1: we have a different girl, Well, let's fight over her now. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't like that. I would have liked to have
Speaker 1: been incorporated, but some kind of creative way that didn't
Speaker 1: include a romantic love triangle because it had been done
Speaker 1: already and it worked and people were into it. But
Speaker 1: for me, I just would have preferred it go a
Speaker 1: different route.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean it's a I can see, like,
Speaker 3: you know, if they used you as like you know,
Speaker 3: you're the manager of the champions, somebody needs you in
Speaker 3: their corner rather than do the romantic angle.
Speaker 2: But again, you know, of course it adds a dimension.
Speaker 3: But I see exactly what you mean by it's just
Speaker 3: the retread of what they did.
Speaker 1: I mean The difference with this one is I actually
Speaker 1: leave Tommy and I go to Raven. So that was
Speaker 1: the kind of mix up that we did to make
Speaker 1: it different than the first one. But and even still,
Speaker 1: I just didn't like the whole romantic love triangle. It
Speaker 1: was just I don't know, it was done already, and
Speaker 1: I just wanted it to go like a different way.
Speaker 1: And I would have loved just to do something creative
Speaker 1: with it that we didn't do prior. But you know,
Speaker 1: I just went along with what they told me to do.
Speaker 2: So it's never a dreamer guy. I was all about Raven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't you wear a costume? What a mark? What
Speaker 1: a mark? Wow?
Speaker 2: I was I was searching for an identity.
Speaker 3: Hey, at least it was in high school and not now.
Speaker 1: I don't know what were in your house now. You
Speaker 1: could be still walking around.
Speaker 3: Looking they saw me in my house, I dressed to say,
Speaker 3: I do in the house as I.
Speaker 2: Do when I'm on the show.
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh, this is a good one, and I agree
Speaker 3: with this one. Whileheartedly holds up well, I would say, okay.
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety seven invasion angle, Ah, the WWF, The WWF
Speaker 3: invasion angle of ECW Jerry Lawler, extremely crappy Wrestling, mister
Speaker 3: Monday Night RVD.
Speaker 2: Would you agree with this one?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so. I think I think any organization right
Speaker 1: now can do something like this just to incorporate, like
Speaker 1: let's say, like it wasn't there supposed to be a
Speaker 1: working angle back in the day with AW bringing in
Speaker 1: TNA or Impact talent for a hot minute, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's just a way to get TNA talent over
Speaker 1: on a bigger platform, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: so I think it works. I mean, if if the
Speaker 1: two can come to agreement and work together, I think
Speaker 1: it benefits both companies, it benefits the talent. So I
Speaker 1: think it's a good thing to do stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure nowadays, you know, people want to
Speaker 1: be associated with each other anyway. It just seems like
Speaker 1: there's a big war going on. Who can be number one,
Speaker 1: which we all know it's w W now forever, and
Speaker 1: what's their slogan then now forever it's always going to
Speaker 1: be WWE. But I think joining forces and collabing, you know,
Speaker 1: two feds doing stuff like this, I think it's good
Speaker 1: for everyone, and I just think it helps the product.
Speaker 1: It gets more eyes on both organizations. So when we
Speaker 1: did stuff like this, having Jerry Lawler come down and
Speaker 1: then mentioning us on you know, like Monday Night of Raw,
Speaker 1: it gave us more of a rub than and obviously
Speaker 1: it gave them because they didn't need it, But it
Speaker 1: was still beneficial for everyone, especially for like someone like
Speaker 1: Rob van Dam who later goes there and becomes a megastar,
Speaker 1: you know. And I just saw a video of Jerry
Speaker 1: and he had what did he have, like a stroke
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, and it, oh my god, it was
Speaker 1: breaking my heart. Like the lady was like touring his
Speaker 1: man cave and he was just walking around just you know,
Speaker 1: talking about the good old days and stuff. And I
Speaker 1: love Jerry Lawler. He's always been great to me. But
Speaker 1: what you know, when he came down. I remember when
Speaker 1: he came to E. C. Dub. We hardly even saw
Speaker 1: him like the one that I think he had like
Speaker 1: his own dressing area. He never came and sat with
Speaker 1: us and stuff. Maybe he didn't like easy, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it was always professional and it just I think
Speaker 1: it gave us an extra umph that we need it
Speaker 1: because it got more eyes on our product. So I
Speaker 1: think other companies could do it today and still good
Speaker 1: to go. It just helps everyone involved.
Speaker 3: It goes back to so Paul appears on the WWF
Speaker 3: Live Wire show as a caller, right, that was like
Speaker 3: the first little crossover that they had.
Speaker 1: Oh that was when Tammy was answering the phone.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and it was like you know he he
Speaker 3: was like, you know John and White Planes and they
Speaker 3: were like, no, this is Paul in Philadelphia, you know.
Speaker 2: And Vince because Vince was on the show.
Speaker 3: Then it was Dreamer, Paul and Sam Man in the
Speaker 3: crowd at mind Games, which was in Philly at the Spectrum.
Speaker 1: And that's where they're holding up their tickets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where they had the tickets. And then Taz
Speaker 3: is in the crowd with a you know, Vince Fear's
Speaker 3: ECW sign right that. I think that was the next night.
Speaker 3: Then it was Jerry's lawler starts calling out ECW extremely
Speaker 3: crappy wrestling leading up to the raw. We've talked about it.
Speaker 3: It's on the YouTube channel. We're not going to dive
Speaker 3: into the full thing.
Speaker 2: Again. It's a long story.
Speaker 3: The raw you were not at where the crossover pay
Speaker 3: per view promotion was such a huge deal, where It
Speaker 3: went back and forth between WWF and ECW on a
Speaker 3: Monday night Raw at the Manhattan Center like nuts to
Speaker 3: lead to the picture we're seeing on our screen is
Speaker 3: actually when it switched over to Raw's War, they did
Speaker 3: it again where they did a debate between Paul Hayman
Speaker 3: and Jerry Lawler, where guys came back and forth, where
Speaker 3: there was another ECW crossover, which was an odd one.
Speaker 3: It was RVD representing I think it was RVD or
Speaker 3: Sabou representing ECW taking on Triple Threat member Chris Candido.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: Not really?
Speaker 3: Now he's in an ECW jacket. Okay, he is in
Speaker 3: his full fledged Triple Threat you know, dominance. He's a
Speaker 3: part of your faction. It comes out to the ECW
Speaker 3: theme song. Paul's on commentary mentions the Triple Threat, Chris
Speaker 3: holds up the three, but there's no you know I
Speaker 3: remember that. Yeah, yeah, it's it's interesting. So yeah you've
Speaker 3: ever seen that. That's something to check out. But it
Speaker 3: was part of this invasion angle. But then, of course
Speaker 3: the big culmination is I forget the pay per view
Speaker 3: or the they're the the event at the arena where
Speaker 3: the lights go out, Jerry Lawler's in the ring. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the place goes frigging nuts, lights go out. Jim Cornett's
Speaker 3: in the ring, and it's one of the most memorable
Speaker 3: moments in ECW.
Speaker 1: Is right right, yeah, so very cool?
Speaker 2: Holds up? Sure does all right?
Speaker 3: Now this one, this is not an angle. This is
Speaker 3: an incident.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so it's yes, it aged poorly because it was.
Speaker 3: It was a it was a catastrophe at the time.
Speaker 3: It's a catastrophe now, but it's sure ain't an angle.
Speaker 1: Mess transit mass transit. Yeah. I was there for that. Again,
Speaker 1: I did not watch it when it went down. I
Speaker 1: was in the locker room when it happened. But this,
Speaker 1: this is an example of you can't just let anybody
Speaker 1: talk you into doing something. This kid had no credentials.
Speaker 1: All we went by was what he was telling us.
Speaker 1: He lied about his age, he lied about working, he
Speaker 1: lied about everything. And I have no clue how he
Speaker 1: even got into negotiations that evening for working this match.
Speaker 1: Like where do you did you ever hear? Like where
Speaker 1: we found this kid? Because I know his dad was
Speaker 1: in the audience and this was up in Boston. His
Speaker 1: father was there, His dad was there, so his father
Speaker 1: took him. But he wasn't the age that he said
Speaker 1: he was. He wasn't an established worker. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he came early and was like because you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of the times we would have guys come
Speaker 1: for tryouts and they'd come early and we would pull
Speaker 1: up and there'd be like twenty indie guys in the
Speaker 1: front of the building just waiting for us to get
Speaker 1: in there, and they wanted to try out and work.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if this kid did the same thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know where he can, Okay, but to tell,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody that you have X amount of experience,
Speaker 1: you've been working so many years and blah, and you're
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how old he told us
Speaker 1: he was, but he wasn't. He lied about everything. Now,
Speaker 1: did Jack take it too far? Absolutely? Absolutely, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: But the kid wouldn't have been in that position if
Speaker 1: he didn't lie. He I guess he just wanted to
Speaker 1: do it so badly, and unfortunately it costs him his life.
Speaker 1: So it's it's just terrible situation. And I still won't
Speaker 1: go back and watch it. I've never watched it. I
Speaker 1: have no interest in seeing it.
Speaker 2: It's pretty brutal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know I've said it before. A lot
Speaker 1: of the times, these guys get over zealous in the
Speaker 1: ring with the Green kids, and you know, I never
Speaker 1: understood why somebody would deliberately hurt someone because in our business,
Speaker 1: we're trying to protect each other. But according to veterans,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you have to break them in and
Speaker 1: you have to show them what they're getting into and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, but not to the point where they can't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen guys leave the ring crying, like
Speaker 1: actually sobbing, and the boys would make fun of them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I think there's a
Speaker 1: limit to how far you can push somebody before they break.
Speaker 1: I just didn't like the ritual. It's like the hazings.
Speaker 1: I still don't get that either. I don't think it
Speaker 1: has any part in a locker room. But you know,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm in the minority, and thank god I
Speaker 1: didn't really have to go through that because I'm a female.
Speaker 1: But you know, I've seen guys take it too far
Speaker 1: with these kids and legitimately hurt them to where they
Speaker 1: never came back. And then if you did come back
Speaker 1: then you get their respect, and it's like, come on,
Speaker 1: you break somebody's nose or you know, give them a
Speaker 1: concussion deliberately, just to show them that you're you're a vet.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I never I never understood that.
Speaker 1: I never agreed with it. I never will. But this
Speaker 1: kid took it too far, like he shouldn't have even
Speaker 1: been in that ring.
Speaker 2: Would never happen now, I would.
Speaker 1: Hope not, you know. And I loved Knew Jack. I
Speaker 1: loved Knew Jack, don't get me wrong, but he, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was it was way too much.
Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, I completely agree.
Speaker 3: And of course probably the most you know, violent incident
Speaker 3: in d CW's history.
Speaker 2: For sure, wrestling history.
Speaker 3: That's not wrestling, no god, no, yeah, that's power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just way too much for me.
Speaker 3: All right now, this one, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 3: if this would make my list, but I'm sure it
Speaker 3: probably holds up Terry Funk and Raven leading into barely
Speaker 3: legal ninety seven.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can see it. I think it would
Speaker 1: get over now, not a ninety seven year old Terry Funk,
Speaker 1: you know, but at that age people loved Terry. Terry
Speaker 1: can do no wrong so any angle that he was in,
Speaker 1: I feel got over and would probably get over today. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe not the bunk house bunk Terry Funk, but uh,
Speaker 1: you know, just Terry Funk coming out to my favorite Desperado.
Speaker 1: You know, this Terry funking Raven was a great story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good story.
Speaker 3: I just don't know, you know, if you're gonna five
Speaker 3: angles to hold up, yes, but you know, maybe if
Speaker 3: you're looking at the top ones of VCW, I don't
Speaker 3: know if it's well, this isn't the top. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 3: you're right, it's not the top, so I should be
Speaker 3: looking that much into it.
Speaker 2: But it's a good one, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean the old veteran winning going after the world title,
Speaker 3: you know, the the young brash bad guy telling him
Speaker 3: he's old and he should just retire and go back
Speaker 3: to his ranch.
Speaker 1: It could be said for a lot of guys out there.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of aging wrestlers out there that
Speaker 1: this could uh, this could stand up too if they
Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, do an angle with a younger worker,
Speaker 1: and I think it would get over. You know, because
Speaker 1: the crowd was one hundred percent behind Terry Funk in
Speaker 1: this right, so big baby face.
Speaker 3: All right, first major heat alert with this list because
Speaker 3: their list is officially flawed.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, on your end.
Speaker 3: Okay, the zoo what this is not ECW.
Speaker 1: Now this shouldn't even be on there.
Speaker 2: Come on, Yes, it aged.
Speaker 1: In the black shirt behind them with its hands like this.
Speaker 3: It aged poorly because it was awful. But this is
Speaker 3: not ECW. They have the zombie from the debut edition
Speaker 3: of ECW on Sci Fi, from the w W version.
Speaker 1: They're not really talking about the zombie here. They're talking
Speaker 1: about the first episode.
Speaker 3: The first episode, yes, okay, but if you if you
Speaker 3: want to say the best part of this opening segment
Speaker 3: is the Sandman comes out and cames the ship out
Speaker 3: of the zombie.
Speaker 2: It looks great.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, they're just referring to I think
Speaker 1: they're referring to the fake ec DUB as a company.
Speaker 1: I think the whole uh, the whole ECW thing was
Speaker 1: a failure and did not age well. I don't know
Speaker 1: how long it lasted. How long did that even last?
Speaker 1: Like two years?
Speaker 2: So technically it lasted till like two thousand.
Speaker 1: And nine, okay, so three years it went for a while, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: three years. The whole thing was a failure. It was
Speaker 1: a missed opportunity people wanted to see I want to
Speaker 1: use the word nostalgia because people missed the original ECW.
Speaker 1: People wanted to see us in our own element. They
Speaker 1: didn't want to see characters that were not involved. They
Speaker 1: didn't want to see, you know, us doing things that
Speaker 1: were so far out there. And the explanation is we're
Speaker 1: on sci Fi. No, there's there. There is no connection
Speaker 1: between us and the Sci Fi network. That's why the
Speaker 1: zombie was on that show. They even wanted aliens on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, good buddy of mine was also on
Speaker 3: that show for a reason.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, no offense to him, but it just
Speaker 1: it did not gel. And I'm telling you what everybody
Speaker 1: who signed, because before we all signed our contracts, everybody
Speaker 1: was talking to everybody on the phone. People were calling
Speaker 1: each other, what are you going to do? Are you
Speaker 1: going to sign? I don't know, are you going to sign?
Speaker 1: The only reason why we did it was for the money.
Speaker 1: None of us had high hopes for this company, and
Speaker 1: we all knew it was going to fail. At least
Speaker 1: my circle of friends knew. So we were doomed from
Speaker 1: the start. And we knew it, and I knew for
Speaker 1: a fact that my three year contract was not going
Speaker 1: to last three years. Called it, called it as soon
Speaker 1: as I put my John Hancock on that paper. So
Speaker 1: it was just the catastrophe from the get go. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna do something, do it right, don't do it
Speaker 1: half ass. And that was done half.
Speaker 2: Ass pretty fss, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I remember seeing it as a fan, the
Speaker 3: rumor that it was going to be on sci Fi
Speaker 3: and that they were going with the sci Fi characters.
Speaker 2: You're like, come on, that's not true. That's not going
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 1: It was so ridiculous that it just infuriated most of
Speaker 1: the locker room. We would just sit there and be like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? That's why every week
Speaker 1: I would just try and leave early and get the
Speaker 1: hell out of there, just trying to dodge, dodge people
Speaker 1: and run away.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's so weird, so I just pulled
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 3: I went to and you I'm I'm sure you're probably
Speaker 3: at this show somewhere. I went to ECW WWE E
Speaker 3: CW at the Wacovia Center which is now the Wells
Speaker 3: Fargo Center in Philadelphia. On July fourth, two thousand and six. Okay,
Speaker 3: ECW on Sci Fi. It was a Tuesday, so it
Speaker 3: was a taping, right.
Speaker 2: This was a damn good show.
Speaker 3: I remember this show being very very good, not having
Speaker 3: the zombie you know, not having the sci fi elements.
Speaker 1: Poor zombie man. He went around after I think it
Speaker 1: was at a convention, like everybody was at one of
Speaker 1: the conventions, and he apologized for his character. And I
Speaker 1: think it was Sandman who was like, brother, there's no
Speaker 1: heat on you. It was management that was just like,
Speaker 1: come on, this is ridiculous. But nobody blamed the kid
Speaker 1: for doing the character. You know, you do what you're
Speaker 1: told to do. As ridiculous as it was, he was
Speaker 1: just doing what the office told him to do, so
Speaker 1: there was never heat on. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: his name was, but whoever play, I don't know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Check out the results.
Speaker 3: Road Kill defeated Tony Mama Luke, CM Punk defeated C
Speaker 3: W Anderson, Saboo defeated Stevie Richards, Tommy.
Speaker 2: Dreamer defeats just incredible. How about that?
Speaker 3: On the show in two thousand and six, Okay, Mike
Speaker 3: Knox defeated Little Guido Test defeated Alice No the Big
Speaker 3: Show defeated.
Speaker 2: Rbd oh to win the championship.
Speaker 3: So that's the So that was the night before was
Speaker 3: the the RBD weed thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a damn good show.
Speaker 1: It sounds good on paper. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was ben in person.
Speaker 3: I was there, but fifteen hundred people in the Wacobia
Speaker 3: Center s A.
Speaker 1: W vibes, would you stop with your diggs? Knock it off?
Speaker 1: Be nice?
Speaker 3: And then I went to an ECW WWE E c
Speaker 3: W show in Tom's Riven, New Jersey that you were on.
Speaker 2: I know that for a fact. You know what you
Speaker 2: did on that show.
Speaker 3: No bikini contest of course, Kelly, Kelly, let's see then
Speaker 3: and Samman came out and beat up Matt Striker out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all.
Speaker 3: Right, back to the countdown, Back to the countdown. This
Speaker 3: one one hundred percent held up TAZ versus seven.
Speaker 1: Oh one of the best. Uh not only angles but
Speaker 1: build ups, never letting them touch for all those months.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that in your life? No, it
Speaker 1: was brilliant. And the fans is this the night? Is
Speaker 1: this the night they're gonna touch? Is this the night
Speaker 1: it's gonna have a Nope, you're gonna have to wait,
Speaker 1: and uh, just it was creatively like Paul just knew
Speaker 1: what worked and usually what didn't work, take away the
Speaker 1: crucifixion angle, but uh, he knew what he had on
Speaker 1: his hands with this, and and just waiting and waiting
Speaker 1: and waiting. It was just that anticipation that when they
Speaker 1: finally touched the place exploded great and it was such
Speaker 1: a huge pop, huge pop, and something that people still
Speaker 1: talk about to this day with those two. And I
Speaker 1: bet you if you asked Tazan Sabu, they would put
Speaker 1: it over as one of the greatest things they've ever
Speaker 1: done because it needs such an impact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so many layers too.
Speaker 3: It was awesome Paul kind of breaking character as well
Speaker 3: and getting himself evolved to say how sabou No showed
Speaker 3: was in Japan rather be over there, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but like but telling that to the audience, you know,
Speaker 3: and doing voiceovers and explaining everything. And then I think
Speaker 3: the I think it was November to remember ninety six
Speaker 3: was the one where they teased it going off the
Speaker 3: air with the two of them in the ring.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was great.
Speaker 2: Just unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Just and I mean they show that every week four
Speaker 3: months at that clip.
Speaker 2: Good stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I sound like a freaking old head.
Speaker 1: But they don't do stuff like that anymore. They should
Speaker 1: bring it back. Somebody steal it, bring it back, bring
Speaker 1: it back.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: So now this one they say aged poorly, but I
Speaker 3: don't know, I kind of like it.
Speaker 1: Just me.
Speaker 2: Here we go, Kimona and Beulah.
Speaker 1: Of course you would like that like that. Why do
Speaker 1: they think it aged poorly?
Speaker 3: It's the ECW wasn't known for its great portrayal of women.
Speaker 3: Few exceptions, women played the roles of objects to be
Speaker 3: fought over or lusted after. While a lot of this
Speaker 3: can be chalked up to being a product of its time,
Speaker 3: Coomona want to lay It is a different story, especially
Speaker 3: the angle with Beulah. To give credit where credit is due,
Speaker 3: this is believed to be the first major lesbian angle
Speaker 3: in a wrestling promotion. However, the fact that it was
Speaker 3: done for titillation and shock value rather than this story
Speaker 3: it makes us want to the story that makes us
Speaker 3: want to forget the whole thing ever happened?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah back then, Yeah, that was shock value. Today,
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be a big deal because look at all
Speaker 1: the nonsense they show on TV on free cable, like
Speaker 1: this wouldn't have been so shocking, you know, But back
Speaker 1: then you didn't see stuff like this, so I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say it aged poorly. I still think it was like
Speaker 1: a wow moment in ECW and on other lists, like
Speaker 1: people put it over like it's the greatest thing ever
Speaker 1: ever happened in the world. And that's all men, by
Speaker 1: the way. But I mean, if you did something like
Speaker 1: this today, it would get a pop, but not the
Speaker 1: reaction it got in nineteen ninety six or whenever.
Speaker 2: This was. So this was great.
Speaker 3: I think the other angle involving Beulah with the pregnancy
Speaker 3: would be the bigger shocker now than even then. I mean,
Speaker 3: and Nick got a pretty big shocking reveal then, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It just made her look like a whore, like a
Speaker 1: whoror you know. But I told the story before. She
Speaker 1: didn't even want to do the angle, and she you know,
Speaker 1: I had a discussion with her and she's like, I
Speaker 1: just don't want to do this, and I was told,
Speaker 1: I think it was by Dreamer, like you tell her
Speaker 1: if she doesn't do it, she's fired, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, whoa. And when I told her, she was
Speaker 1: very upset, very upset about it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: better than me, because I'm not doing this crap. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's incredible again because today this wouldn't even
Speaker 3: be blank that right now. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe they would say it's portraying it in a negative light.
Speaker 3: That could also be done, you know, like say that's
Speaker 3: the reveal. Isn't done so tastefully, but.
Speaker 2: It was shocking. Yeah, I mean at the time you
Speaker 2: saw that, you lost your mind.
Speaker 1: I've seen indie shows now where two guys are making
Speaker 1: out in the ring like they're just it's very open.
Speaker 1: Sexuality is very open, fie. Is that how you say
Speaker 1: his name? The Big Gay Brunch or the big gay
Speaker 1: whatever he does? Like, it's very It's very common now
Speaker 1: and it's not. There's no shock value whatsoever when it
Speaker 1: comes to sexuality.
Speaker 3: I think it's the lockup on that show.
Speaker 2: It's the opening lockup on the.
Speaker 1: First Yeah, right, but you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: back then, you didn't really see stuff like that. If
Speaker 1: you saw anybody kissing, it was a male and a
Speaker 1: female and that was it. And today it's very common
Speaker 1: and people just you know, especially on INDI's they just
Speaker 1: do whatever the hell they want, incorporate whatever they want.
Speaker 1: So nothing shocks me anymore. But back then that was
Speaker 1: pretty shocking.
Speaker 3: This is completely visual for the two of us. I
Speaker 3: know this is an audio podcast. I got to ask
Speaker 3: about that ring. Is that what it always looked like?
Speaker 2: There's blood?
Speaker 1: I used to say it was if you want hepatitis
Speaker 1: b ring like. Yeah, it was disgusting. I think most
Speaker 1: of the stains. I don't know if we ever had
Speaker 1: it professionally cleaned, but those stains were blood.
Speaker 3: I could see the Yeah you see the brownish you know, blood, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you see that. You could see those are bloodstains. Jerry
Speaker 3: the Jerry Seinfeld joke. If bloodstains on your garments are
Speaker 3: your biggest problem, maybe dry cleaning is something you don't
Speaker 3: need to worry about.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know how often they got in there with
Speaker 1: the lysol or the that stuffed steam cleaner.
Speaker 3: You know you go to shop right and rent the.
Speaker 1: C There were always things out there. Uh yeah, look
Speaker 1: at the.
Speaker 2: Tape there it is.
Speaker 1: Look at the tape because there's holes.
Speaker 2: Two, three, four.
Speaker 3: Four blue duct tape or electrical tape problems.
Speaker 1: And you have to remember too, there's been barbed wire
Speaker 1: in that ring, ripping stuff up. I don't know. You know, Look,
Speaker 1: we didn't have that U W W A E W
Speaker 1: money bank roll to just keep buying new tarp and
Speaker 1: rings and all this stuff. We had to make do.
Speaker 1: That's why we were edgy and gritty and cool. We were, yes,
Speaker 1: we were.
Speaker 3: You know, but if look she was uncomfortable with it,
Speaker 3: their hair drops down and doing things you need to
Speaker 3: roll around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but still it's just the the image
Speaker 1: I think ship I got it, you know, and you
Speaker 1: can work look, and you can work anything. You can
Speaker 1: work anything when you with your partner out there, you
Speaker 1: can make it, make it look like a million bucks,
Speaker 1: but work it. And that's what they did. So I
Speaker 1: don't think they were tonguing each other like the guys
Speaker 1: in the audience thought they were.
Speaker 2: Damn it.
Speaker 1: Sorry sorry to disappoint you, but I just don't think
Speaker 1: that happened.
Speaker 3: All right, This one holds up because you could slot
Speaker 3: one of these guys on somebody's television and continue the
Speaker 3: angle tonight. Cyrus and Joey styles.
Speaker 1: That whole network angle was just true but brilliant. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, Paul saw what the network, the TNN was
Speaker 1: doing to us, and he just ran with it. It's like,
Speaker 1: what do we have to lose? Are we gonna piss
Speaker 1: them off? Yeah? So what, We're under a contract and
Speaker 1: we have until this day to do something. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna take the ball and we're gonna with it. And
Speaker 1: that's exactly what he did. And I think some of
Speaker 1: Joey's best work was in this angle because he's always
Speaker 1: like the timid little Joey, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And here he's got a set of balls and he's
Speaker 1: just standing up to Cyrus and it led to them
Speaker 1: actually fighting at one point. And I love to see
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff because he's more than an announcer.
Speaker 1: Joey became one of the He was always one of
Speaker 1: the boys, but he became like a character in an angle,
Speaker 1: not just the play by play guy, the color guy,
Speaker 1: the announcer guy. You know, people were like chanting for
Speaker 1: Joey to beat the shit out of Cyrus, and everybody
Speaker 1: wanted to see that. You could have made a match
Speaker 1: that could have been like an actual pay per view
Speaker 1: match if Joey wanted to do it, and it would
Speaker 1: have been brilliant.
Speaker 3: Now he got it super aggressive. It would then lead
Speaker 3: the stuff he did later too. You know, he got
Speaker 3: a lot more physical.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, more than an announcer, and
Speaker 1: he became one of, you know, like a character, like
Speaker 1: one of the wrestlers, even though he wasn't a wrestler.
Speaker 1: But you don't have to be a wrestler to be
Speaker 1: a personality in wrestling. Again, Don Callous is a wrestler.
Speaker 1: Don they could have did something and Don could have
Speaker 1: carried him and Joey could have beat the shit out
Speaker 1: of him, and Don would have made Joey look like
Speaker 1: a million bucks. I guarantee you that would have been
Speaker 1: so awesome to see. I mean, we got a little
Speaker 1: snippet and a little taste here and there, but if
Speaker 1: they actually had like a full blown feud pay per match,
Speaker 1: Oh how great would that would have been? It would
Speaker 1: have been excellent. I would have loved to have seen that.
Speaker 3: Been nice on the February two thousand and one pay
Speaker 3: per view.
Speaker 1: If it ever happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, But yeah, on the side, you could pluck
Speaker 3: Joey Styles out of where he's at today. And put
Speaker 3: him on AW television and continue it tonight if you
Speaker 3: wanted to.
Speaker 1: He is such a lost piece of talent. He should
Speaker 1: still be in the business calling the action.
Speaker 2: He'd probably be an AW.
Speaker 1: Maybe, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Tony Tony would one hundred percent have gone after Joey Styles.
Speaker 2: It's such a locking sock and barrel.
Speaker 1: I spoke to him, I want to say three years ago.
Speaker 1: I had contacted him to come on our show when
Speaker 1: I was up here, and he declined and he said,
Speaker 1: I'm doing nothing with wrestling, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: not even for me, because he always used to tell
Speaker 1: me like you're my favorite, blah blah blah, and he
Speaker 1: was just like, I would love to, but I just
Speaker 1: can't do it. And I don't know if he's afraid
Speaker 1: of that's stupid. What was it the R O H commentary?
Speaker 2: Or it was no? It was uh uh not?
Speaker 3: Was it Gabe Sepalski's It wasn't rh.
Speaker 2: It was evolved.
Speaker 3: It was one of those little side semi popular ones
Speaker 3: out of like that care liillly area that he made
Speaker 3: a comment and they crucified him, and it was so
Speaker 3: ridiculous because he was doing so well on his comeback
Speaker 3: after it was a political like comment and he was
Speaker 3: crucified and it was such that was where you almost
Speaker 3: you almost like got to give him credit for being like,
Speaker 3: you know what, f you, I'm out of here.
Speaker 2: You know you're.
Speaker 3: Gonna treat me like this. I'm never coming back.
Speaker 1: I don't blame him. Yeah, No, there's no blame in it.
Speaker 1: It's just wasted. It's talent that's wasted because he was
Speaker 1: so good at what he did. And I feel like,
Speaker 1: if you, like, if you brought him the wrestle Coon
Speaker 1: this year, oh my god, his line would be out
Speaker 1: the door.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I told him that. I was like, look, you
Speaker 1: should really look into doing some of the bigger cons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody's judging you for anything. There are people who have
Speaker 1: said far worse than him and are still walking around
Speaker 1: with their headheld.
Speaker 2: On getting five hundred dollars a signature.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. I just it irritates me because he's so good
Speaker 1: at what he did and he's such a nice guy,
Speaker 1: and I would love to see him back on the circuit,
Speaker 1: but you're never going to see him again.
Speaker 3: From a signing point of view, I never made more
Speaker 3: in one single day than I did when I worked
Speaker 3: at Joey Styles.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, we brought it.
Speaker 3: We were We brought him into the arena the first
Speaker 3: signing he did after he was released by WWE in
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. I've never held that much cash in my
Speaker 3: hand at once.
Speaker 1: Really was it an icons?
Speaker 3: It was the second or third icons up to that point.
Speaker 3: I've since held more because I worked with William Shatner.
Speaker 3: But you know Joey, they turned out and droves.
Speaker 1: Yeah they again. Yeah, he hasn't been seen in so long.
Speaker 3: Such a shame a professional, Like just it's like so
Speaker 3: on top of everything. And again, this is a guy
Speaker 3: who's like, you know what, you're gonna treat me like this,
Speaker 3: I'm out of here, And it's your own fault.
Speaker 2: It's for him and that's it. Yeah, stood his ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he stands up for what he believes in. And
Speaker 1: I get it. It's just sad on a personal level
Speaker 1: for me because I was such close friends with him
Speaker 1: and admired him for his work ethic and what he's
Speaker 1: done for wrestling, and I just feel like it's it's
Speaker 1: such a waste of talent not being used because he's
Speaker 1: wonderful at what he did.
Speaker 2: Agreed sad.
Speaker 3: All right, we come to the last one. This isn't
Speaker 3: aged poorly. Okay, again I don't think that this should
Speaker 3: be on the list, but again this is their list.
Speaker 3: We will have a quick discussion afterwards for what has
Speaker 3: been omitted aged poorly Vince McMahon ecwh.
Speaker 1: To here with that. That's not even the thing. This
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with ECW.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and seven ECW champion.
Speaker 1: This goes up there with what's his name, David Arquette
Speaker 1: being WCW champion my book, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean? Why?
Speaker 1: Why did he even need the belt? Does Vince McMahon
Speaker 1: need a belt? No? Absolutely not. No one wants to
Speaker 1: see him as ECW champ. No one wants to see
Speaker 1: him as champion of anything. I know, I don't. I
Speaker 1: just want to see him on Netflix telling his story.
Speaker 2: That's all I want.
Speaker 3: I just would like to say that the person who
Speaker 3: put this article together.
Speaker 2: More than likely never watched DCW.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they did or not, but this
Speaker 1: should not be on the list. Should This should be
Speaker 1: like in the fake ec they have to have a
Speaker 1: composite of the fake ECUB failures. This should be the
Speaker 1: number one failure for the WWE Slash ECW show for
Speaker 1: the three years or whatever.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna read you the first sentence, and this
Speaker 3: is why I'm gonna cement that statement right here.
Speaker 2: Yes, you read that right.
Speaker 3: The chairman of w W booked himself as ECW's champion
Speaker 3: in two thousand and seven, putting him on the same
Speaker 3: list as legends like TAZ, Don Morocco and CM Punk.
Speaker 3: The three names synonymous quit the ECW championship. Taz Yes,
Speaker 3: Don Morocco and Cmpunk Don Morocco ECW champion. Of course,
Speaker 3: I will not not recognize one of my favorite guys
Speaker 3: of all time.
Speaker 1: But Punk was the fake e C. Dub as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like Don Morocco, that's the one guy. Well,
Speaker 2: you're partial.
Speaker 1: You would have put Shane Douglas in that.
Speaker 2: I would have been Where's Man, Where's Raven? Where's Where's
Speaker 2: just giving.
Speaker 1: Me a couple examples.
Speaker 2: He's not the name that came to the list.
Speaker 1: Look, all I know is this man should not have
Speaker 1: a belt around his waist, and it should not be
Speaker 1: an ECW title, and the fake ECB should not be
Speaker 1: associated with the real the original ECW. I hate when
Speaker 1: people make that you know, distinct like it. It's it's
Speaker 1: a different entity. It's not the same company. It's not ECW.
Speaker 1: Matt Cardona always jokes around on online and puts a
Speaker 1: picture of himself up and says, I am an ECW
Speaker 1: original And he does it for heat. You know, he's
Speaker 1: not stupid. He knows how to generate heat and stuff.
Speaker 1: And like one time I wrote, I put like the
Speaker 1: side eye. I was like, oh please, you know, the
Speaker 1: side ie. But the fans get so pissed off. Well
Speaker 1: that's not the real ECW and blah blah blah, and
Speaker 1: it's it's just stuff like this is a slap in
Speaker 1: the face, not only to us, but to to just
Speaker 1: the boys. Like why does Vince have to have this
Speaker 1: belt around his waist? What is this doing for his character? Nothing,
Speaker 1: It's just annoying to look at it. He does not
Speaker 1: need a belt, He didn't need it. He draws enough
Speaker 1: heat without it, and he just looks ridiculous. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: This is worse than the mustache in my opinion.
Speaker 3: I know, right, Can you imagine the guy with the
Speaker 3: mustache wearing that belt.
Speaker 2: With when he's with one of his ladies.
Speaker 1: No, I don't want to imagine that at all. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like the come one.
Speaker 2: That was ridiculous.
Speaker 3: And he was also wearing his do rag because that's
Speaker 3: after he lost lost his hair.
Speaker 2: To Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, well, okay, obvious, huge, gigantic astronomical omission the halo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that was a pretty well you know,
Speaker 1: could that stand up in today's business?
Speaker 2: Is that age well or age poor?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: What do you think I'm gonna say, Well, because of
Speaker 2: the heat you guys got.
Speaker 1: I think with anybody with an injury, somebody attacking the injury,
Speaker 1: you know, gets heat on that person, sympathy for the
Speaker 1: baby face. So yeah, I think it aged twelve. I
Speaker 1: think it would hold up today if somebody did it
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. Absolutely, I think honestly. And I'm
Speaker 1: not just saying this because I was involved with it,
Speaker 1: but that angle was one of the heaviest heat seeking
Speaker 1: missile angles that we've ever done. The heat that was
Speaker 1: on Shane and I for that was astronomical. And I
Speaker 1: know we had a lot of heels in the business
Speaker 1: and they drew a lot of heat. But I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I've never seen people jump the guard and I'm talking
Speaker 1: about an ECW. I've never seen people that try and
Speaker 1: jump the guardrail and attack people like I did that evening.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. So, you know, we drew a
Speaker 1: hell of a lot of heat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's incredible. Now, how about an age poor? Anything
Speaker 3: that can come to mind?
Speaker 2: We gave one age. Well, let's give an age poor.
Speaker 1: Hmmm. God, there's so I mean, seven years worth of
Speaker 1: stuff that I can say I was there for. It's
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: Just trying to think quick.
Speaker 3: How about cactus Jack Cut consists constantly bringing up Eric Bischoff.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he was on his way up the door.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like a.
Speaker 2: It was just I thought it got to be a
Speaker 2: little too much. It was like, all right, we get it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's redundant for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, okay, you know, he's the guy.
Speaker 2: We don't like him.
Speaker 3: It's w CW like W kind of sucks. At that point,
Speaker 3: It's like, okay.
Speaker 2: Great, just go just leave. That's the part of your
Speaker 2: character is that you love Eric Bischoff.
Speaker 1: Like he was calling him uncle uncle Eric.
Speaker 3: Eric.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and you have heights and you know, I
Speaker 2: guess right.
Speaker 1: Right, I don't know I feel like most of the
Speaker 1: stuff that we did was a hit. We had some misses,
Speaker 1: like obviously, like nobody that's a thousand all the time.
Speaker 1: I think overall, though, if you ask the fans, I
Speaker 1: think they would give us the thumbs up for content.
Speaker 1: And you can definitely go back to whatever you watch
Speaker 1: us on and say this angle is still relevant and
Speaker 1: can be used in twenty twenty four. Most of the
Speaker 1: stuff we did back then you could still pull off today.
Speaker 1: And we get that when we do signings, Shane and
Speaker 1: I always get that from fans, like, man, I don't
Speaker 1: watch the current product. I watch you guys, and it's
Speaker 1: still over in this day and age. So that's a
Speaker 1: testament to just Paul and whoever was in on those
Speaker 1: angles in creative, you know. And we're proud of that.
Speaker 1: So I think overall we aged well as a company.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you can hold it up up
Speaker 3: extremely well. When you look at anything past you know,
Speaker 3: twenty and fifteen ish, you know, it's gone very corny
Speaker 3: over the last five to six seven years.
Speaker 1: It's some things have there's some cool things that are
Speaker 1: out there now. Don't don't get us.
Speaker 2: Shot, don't get me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I on this sport.
Speaker 2: No, no, not at.
Speaker 1: All talking about you know what happened thirty years ago.
Speaker 1: If you can say, man, that's still cool in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, then you did something right, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's it's fun to look back and compare and see
Speaker 1: what's hot and what's not. But overall, I do think
Speaker 1: that ECW was a company that did it differently, did
Speaker 1: it well, and could still hold court in this day
Speaker 1: and age.
Speaker 3: Well said, all right, well we will wrap that up
Speaker 3: for today. If you'd like to catch more of us,
Speaker 3: you can head on over to the YouTube channel, where
Speaker 3: we've got a plethora of extra content going on.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you haven't.
Speaker 3: Caught the the the legendary WWF commercial that fran scene
Speaker 3: starting with one Vincent man.
Speaker 2: I heard they were making it into a movie. Did
Speaker 2: you hear about that?
Speaker 1: Who's playing me?
Speaker 3: We're still casting for they. I'm a consultant on it.
Speaker 1: Have you heard about it?
Speaker 2: It's me?
Speaker 1: No, I haven't heard about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's Jennifer Lawrence might be uh he
Speaker 3: brought in.
Speaker 2: He's got to play Jesus. So you know, did you
Speaker 2: hear that?
Speaker 1: What? Oh? Yes, that's another that's a whole another episode.
Speaker 2: Poor Taste, don't even start me.
Speaker 1: That did not age well.
Speaker 3: So we've got some great content on there, you know,
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Speaker 3: got full episodes of the iHeartRadio Show. We've also got
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Speaker 1: Hey, if you will, all right, and just plugging My
Speaker 1: Wrestling Universe appearance February tenth from two pm to five
Speaker 1: pm in Queens, New York. I'll be there with the Sandman,
Speaker 1: Todd Gordon RVD, and maybe Just Incredible. I'm still not
Speaker 1: sure if he's gonna be it.
Speaker 3: You know what, I just passed it on your timeline.
Speaker 3: Just Incredible is there at the same time as yet.
Speaker 1: At the same time. Oh good, okay, So the five
Speaker 1: of us will be in store signing from two to five.
Speaker 1: So if you're in the Queen's area or can get
Speaker 1: to the Queen's area, come on down and see us.
Speaker 1: And if you want to follow me on social media,
Speaker 1: you can do so at ECW DVA. Francine. I hope
Speaker 1: you're staying safe. I hope you were staying healthy, and
Speaker 1: most of all, I hope you are staying extreme, bore, bad,