WEBVTT - 5 ECW Angles That Hold Up & 5 That Don't! 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:25.040 Hey, everyone, it is the Queen of Extreme fran Scene 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.120 and you are listening to Eyes up here on the 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:32.760 iHeartRadio network or wherever you get In the podcast. As always, 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:36.000 I'm joined by my coachch Chad. Ay, Chad's going on. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:38.680 I'm ready to get extreme. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:40.640 You want to get extreme. 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.080 I'm ready to get extreme with the Queen. 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:50.120 I love that extreme. That's great. What are we going 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:51.880 to talk about today? 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:53.000 You have to plan I know. 0:00:53.440 --> 0:01:00.600 Today's episode features the top five ecw angles, the still 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:04.240 hold up and five that age poor Lee, according to 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:08.480 the sports website now the Sports. 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.040 Kir We disagree with them in the pant haven't we 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.039 we have? Okay, there is this the one with the 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:17.679 British guy that you were making fun of his voice. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:20.000 More than likely they're all British guys. 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.560 I love the British. I love their accents, though I 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:26.120 could listen to them all day long. Well, I will 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.640 give my two cents if you know I disagree, and 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.360 I assume you will do the same. But there's a 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:35.800 lot of these guys out there that just will crap 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:41.160 on the product and they don't get it. They don't 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.039 get the angles we were trying to pull off. Or 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.039 you know, the bumps we were trying to take, or 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.880 the psychology. They just don't get it. So these writers 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.760 sometimes miss the mark. So curious to see what they 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.760 think is good and what they think is crappy. 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:58.000 Yeah, I agree. 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:01.280 We've watched them on Patreon before and we've watched more 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:01.880 of the videos. 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:02.600 This is going to be an. 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:06.000 Actual article, and this is also from twenty twenty, so 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:07.640 you know, I don't know if the author of this 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.800 article still still feels the same way. But in terms 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.040 of something that you look at as being, you know, 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:17.639 a discussable topic, ECW's been gone since two thousand and one. 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:22.160 So the debate ended the moment the doors were closed. 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.280 So you, being the. 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.440 One who was involved in a lot of angles, and 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:30.840 I'm sure watched a lot of the products, you are 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.280 to me the best person to ask this. Now, let 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.880 me ask you this. Take out any of the ones 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.400 that you were in. What's like, what's one that just 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.079 stands out to you before we dive into the list 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.520 that just not a personal favorite, but just one that 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.720 stands out to you as one that holds up. 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.480 Well. I mean, I think it was the worst angle 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:57.040 we ever did, but the crucifixion angle. That one's will 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.120 always stick out like a sore thumb to me because 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:03.800 I absolutely, we positively hated it. I thought it was 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:08.760 in poor taste. And in listening to this podcast, the 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:13.480 one episode where ae W did something on Good Friday 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.600 with the remember we discussed that as well, so they 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.720 were trying to like redo an angle that we did 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.120 years ago. I just think that was one of the 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:29.320 worst worst angles in wrestling history, and it's embarrassing. I'm 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.480 so glad, you know, if they had asked me to 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:34.040 be a part of it, I would have absolutely rejected 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.960 it and said absolutely not. There's no way I would 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:42.280 have done anything like that. And people can say, oh, again, 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:46.200 it's just wrestling, or it's just an angle, but it's 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:49.840 in poor taste. I think that that was one of 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:54.480 the worst worst angles in the history, not even in ECW, 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:59.040 in the history of professional wrestling. I absolutely loathed it. 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:02.000 Well, you know what, I'm not going to give you 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.160 a spoiler per se, but I am going to jump 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.560 ahead just a little bit just to show you that 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.120 you and the sports there Greek because they're number nine 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:16.080 aged poorly angle or their number two is raven and 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:17.400 Sandman's crucifixion. 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.560 Yeah, I just didn't. And to even have like Tyler 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.400 out there as a child, Like was he out there 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.440 doing I can't even remember if he was part of this, 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.960 but you know, there were kids in the audience, and 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:35.760 it's just in it's just in poor taste. It was 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.520 disgusting to me. And I know there's a lot of 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.200 people out there who don't believe in religion and who 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.960 are atheists, and that is fine, but when you are 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:52.040 insulting the majority, you need to think twice about what 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:58.279 you're putting out. And this one was just a disgusting, 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:03.200 cheap way to get some kind of reaction. And when 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.880 you have people walking out and wanting their money back, 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:11.560 there's a problem. I'm not saying the whole arena walked out, 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.120 but there were people who were offended and stood up 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.160 and walked down. I've never seen that happen at one 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.239 of our shows before. It's the first time I've ever 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:25.880 seen that happen. So yeah, this will never age well 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.279 in my mind. And when people say, like, what's the 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:33.160 worst thing you guys ever did, I always say crucifixion. 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.080 Angle also cost you guys, Kurt Angle. 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.440 Oh yeah, he got pissed and walked out too. He 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.600 was just like I'm out of here, which was probably 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.400 the best thing he could have did, because we didn't 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.680 have WWF's money at the time, and that's where he 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.400 ended up. And look at the career he had. 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:53.200 That's that's great. 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.280 I just don't know how he would have fit, you know, 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:56.839 and even when you see the footage of him in 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:58.400 the ring, it just doesn't look right. 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.240 Well. I think I think he would have fit in 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:05.600 fine because we had the Malenkos and the Eddie Guerreros 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.440 and them as well. 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:08.400 In ninety five. 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.320 I'm talking about that ninety six on ECW or like 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:12.760 at least ninety six ECW. 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:14.640 I can't see Kurt angle in there. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:19.080 I see I can, because right than he was a 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:26.240 I mean he he was a pure wrestler. He came 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:29.600 from that amateur wrestling background and an Olympic gold medal. 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.880 Like I, I just saw him as one of our 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.440 top guys. I think Paul would have pushed him to 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.240 the moon, but I just don't think that he would 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.240 have had the money that he had over In fact, 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.120 I know he probably wouldn't have had the money that 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:48.560 he had with Vince McMahon and WWF so. But I 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.240 think it was a blessing for Kurt and it was 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.240 a curse for us because I think we really had 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:57.240 a missed opportunity by losing him. But I remember he 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:02.080 was outraged, raged, and he was just like, what is 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.919 going on? Where it's I was like, oh, okay, so 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.400 you win some, you lose some, but it just you know, 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:14.720 as a Catholic, Christian, Catholic, whatever you want to call it, 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:19.360 I was highly offended by that angle. And I've said 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.800 this so many times. I got it right in Paul's 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:26.440 face and was like, that was disgusting. You need to 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.640 go and apologize. You need to get somebody out there 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.840 and say they're sorry. And my god, when Scotty went 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:37.600 out there, Raven, it was the worst apology I've ever heard. 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:40.640 His heart was not into it, he did not want 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:42.600 to do it. He was forced to do it. I'm 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:46.840 not saying I was the one who got them to 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.800 get him to do the apology, but I did make 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.560 myself very vocal in saying that was the most disgusting 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:58.960 thing I've ever seen. I was so outraged and reluctantly 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:03.400 Paul sent him out there so you know, you have 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:12.920 a jew, Paul Hayman's Jewish, and Scottie and Sam Man 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.400 is an atheist, so they had no dog in the 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.320 fight in that and it didn't bother them, But my 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.960 God didn't bother everybody else. And I was probably one 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:26.119 of the only ones who had the balls to open 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.679 my mouth and say, uh huh, not cool. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.880 So I don't know, Yeah, kurd angle, you lost out 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.800 on the kurd angle. Taz, you lost on on kurd angle. 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:38.360 Shane. You know, it's a. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:42.960 Lot that we couldn't Yeah, because when like Shane and 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.640 I stood with him before that angle happened, he seemed 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:50.360 generally excited to be there, like you know, he seemed 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:55.320 like he was ready to go and happy about being 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.640 in the building and meeting everybody. And then once he 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:03.360 saw what he said saw, he was gone, like whoever 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.080 took him there is like, get me out of here, 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.520 and that was it. And I was like, yeah, great, 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:10.360 great going, Paul, way to go. 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.800 One of those what ifs, Yeah exactly, Lore, all right, 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.320 so let's get back to the top of the count 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.400 down here. So this is in the holds up column, okay, 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.400 And I would one hundred percent agree with this, and 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.120 I think you know the person in the picture pretty well. 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:32.000 The angle that they have holding up very well is 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.719 Tommy Dreamer and Raven and oh who I spy one 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.480 point of extreme in. 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:41.040 The picture right nice Raven's return. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.600 So they are saying that they put the Tommy Dreamer 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:46.679 Raven angle as a whole at the top of this list, 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:50.480 where the entire duration of it from start to finish, 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:54.320 their feud going back being kids at summer camp, the 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.960 inclusion of Beulah, the fact that Tommy could never beat Raven, 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.880 the fact that took them till he he finally did 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.440 beat Raven, and the loser leaves town match and then 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:07.720 what happens, Oh Raven's back, then they're tag champs together, 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:12.880 the love hate relationship, your inclusion, then all the fighting in. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:17.679 Between the three of you. It never stopped with this duo. 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.760 No, And I feel like part of the reason why 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.360 this can hold up well is myself included in this. 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:29.040 But people like when angles go longer than three weeks. 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:33.840 We've talked about this, everybody flip flops anymore. Paul knew 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:39.320 how to tell a story and make it last, you know, 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:44.840 extend it and keep people wanting more, and because Tommy 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:48.840 never beat Raven, the storyline could continue because there was 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.520 always the chase, there was always the hunt. You know, 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:54.720 Am I ever gonna beat them? I don't know, blah 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.560 blah blah. And the crowd was invested in it. And 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:01.040 I had said prior my involvement, and then this wasn't 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:06.960 my favorite angle. I didn't like the fact that they 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.800 were fighting over me. I thought it was just like 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:14.280 a continuation of what they did round one and here 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.680 we have a different girl, Well, let's fight over her now. No, 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:19.520 I didn't like that. I would have liked to have 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:24.080 been incorporated, but some kind of creative way that didn't 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:27.520 include a romantic love triangle because it had been done 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:32.000 already and it worked and people were into it. But 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.160 for me, I just would have preferred it go a 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.280 different route. 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.080 Yeah, no, I mean it's a I can see, like, 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:42.560 you know, if they used you as like you know, 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.840 you're the manager of the champions, somebody needs you in 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.120 their corner rather than do the romantic angle. 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.479 But again, you know, of course it adds a dimension. 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.360 But I see exactly what you mean by it's just 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:54.800 the retread of what they did. 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.000 I mean The difference with this one is I actually 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.440 leave Tommy and I go to Raven. So that was 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:07.360 the kind of mix up that we did to make 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:11.160 it different than the first one. But and even still, 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.480 I just didn't like the whole romantic love triangle. It 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:20.000 was just I don't know, it was done already, and 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.760 I just wanted it to go like a different way. 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.679 And I would have loved just to do something creative 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:30.320 with it that we didn't do prior. But you know, 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.800 I just went along with what they told me to do. 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:38.280 So it's never a dreamer guy. I was all about Raven. 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:47.599 Yeah, didn't you wear a costume? What a mark? What 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.040 a mark? Wow? 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:53.640 I was I was searching for an identity. 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:56.640 Hey, at least it was in high school and not now. 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.440 I don't know what were in your house now. You 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:02.960 could be still walking around. 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.880 Looking they saw me in my house, I dressed to say, 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:05.959 I do in the house as I. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:07.160 Do when I'm on the show. 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.520 Okay, Oh, this is a good one, and I agree 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:15.920 with this one. Whileheartedly holds up well, I would say, okay. 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:23.880 Nineteen ninety seven invasion angle, Ah, the WWF, The WWF 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:28.199 invasion angle of ECW Jerry Lawler, extremely crappy Wrestling, mister 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:29.200 Monday Night RVD. 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.479 Would you agree with this one? 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:32.000 Yeah? 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:39.440 I think so. I think I think any organization right 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:43.360 now can do something like this just to incorporate, like 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.199 let's say, like it wasn't there supposed to be a 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.160 working angle back in the day with AW bringing in 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:54.280 TNA or Impact talent for a hot minute, you know, 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:58.760 And that's just a way to get TNA talent over 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.160 on a bigger platform, you know what I mean. And 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.880 so I think it works. I mean, if if the 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.840 two can come to agreement and work together, I think 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.640 it benefits both companies, it benefits the talent. So I 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.480 think it's a good thing to do stuff like that. 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:21.040 I'm not really sure nowadays, you know, people want to 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.320 be associated with each other anyway. It just seems like 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.040 there's a big war going on. Who can be number one, 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:30.000 which we all know it's w W now forever, and 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.520 what's their slogan then now forever it's always going to 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:41.080 be WWE. But I think joining forces and collabing, you know, 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.160 two feds doing stuff like this, I think it's good 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.240 for everyone, and I just think it helps the product. 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:50.120 It gets more eyes on both organizations. So when we 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:54.440 did stuff like this, having Jerry Lawler come down and 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.440 then mentioning us on you know, like Monday Night of Raw, 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.640 it gave us more of a rub than and obviously 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.080 it gave them because they didn't need it, But it 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:06.680 was still beneficial for everyone, especially for like someone like 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:10.320 Rob van Dam who later goes there and becomes a megastar, 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.040 you know. And I just saw a video of Jerry 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.280 and he had what did he have, like a stroke 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:20.520 or something. Yeah, and it, oh my god, it was 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.320 breaking my heart. Like the lady was like touring his 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:28.080 man cave and he was just walking around just you know, 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.040 talking about the good old days and stuff. And I 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.720 love Jerry Lawler. He's always been great to me. But 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.600 what you know, when he came down. I remember when 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.200 he came to E. C. Dub. We hardly even saw 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.080 him like the one that I think he had like 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.440 his own dressing area. He never came and sat with 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:48.960 us and stuff. Maybe he didn't like easy, I don't know, 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.680 but it was always professional and it just I think 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.280 it gave us an extra umph that we need it 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:01.560 because it got more eyes on our product. So I 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:05.920 think other companies could do it today and still good 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.080 to go. It just helps everyone involved. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.359 It goes back to so Paul appears on the WWF 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.720 Live Wire show as a caller, right, that was like 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.560 the first little crossover that they had. 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.200 Oh that was when Tammy was answering the phone. 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.440 Yes, yeah, and it was like you know he he 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:28.040 was like, you know John and White Planes and they 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.960 were like, no, this is Paul in Philadelphia, you know. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:32.400 And Vince because Vince was on the show. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.640 Then it was Dreamer, Paul and Sam Man in the 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:40.720 crowd at mind Games, which was in Philly at the Spectrum. 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.520 And that's where they're holding up their tickets. 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.240 Yeah, that's where they had the tickets. And then Taz 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:49.480 is in the crowd with a you know, Vince Fear's 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.400 ECW sign right that. I think that was the next night. 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:57.240 Then it was Jerry's lawler starts calling out ECW extremely 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:01.920 crappy wrestling leading up to the raw. We've talked about it. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.320 It's on the YouTube channel. We're not going to dive 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:05.160 into the full thing. 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:06.920 Again. It's a long story. 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.960 The raw you were not at where the crossover pay 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.679 per view promotion was such a huge deal, where It 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.639 went back and forth between WWF and ECW on a 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:20.960 Monday night Raw at the Manhattan Center like nuts to 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.840 lead to the picture we're seeing on our screen is 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.440 actually when it switched over to Raw's War, they did 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:30.399 it again where they did a debate between Paul Hayman 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:34.040 and Jerry Lawler, where guys came back and forth, where 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.480 there was another ECW crossover, which was an odd one. 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:42.359 It was RVD representing I think it was RVD or 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:48.719 Sabou representing ECW taking on Triple Threat member Chris Candido. 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:50.560 Do you remember that? 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:51.600 Not really? 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:57.240 Now he's in an ECW jacket. Okay, he is in 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:01.600 his full fledged Triple Threat you know, dominance. He's a 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.240 part of your faction. It comes out to the ECW 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:08.480 theme song. Paul's on commentary mentions the Triple Threat, Chris 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:12.520 holds up the three, but there's no you know I 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.160 remember that. Yeah, yeah, it's it's interesting. So yeah you've 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.520 ever seen that. That's something to check out. But it 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.120 was part of this invasion angle. But then, of course 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.120 the big culmination is I forget the pay per view 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.840 or the they're the the event at the arena where 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.000 the lights go out, Jerry Lawler's in the ring. Yeah, 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.800 the place goes frigging nuts, lights go out. Jim Cornett's 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:33.840 in the ring, and it's one of the most memorable 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:34.960 moments in ECW. 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:38.440 Is right right, yeah, so very cool? 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:42.160 Holds up? Sure does all right? 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:46.480 Now this one, this is not an angle. This is 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:47.080 an incident. 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:52.879 Oh okay, so it's yes, it aged poorly because it was. 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.640 It was a it was a catastrophe at the time. 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.399 It's a catastrophe now, but it's sure ain't an angle. 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:03.680 Mess transit mass transit. Yeah. I was there for that. Again, 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.199 I did not watch it when it went down. I 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:11.680 was in the locker room when it happened. But this, 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:16.439 this is an example of you can't just let anybody 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:21.640 talk you into doing something. This kid had no credentials. 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.960 All we went by was what he was telling us. 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.919 He lied about his age, he lied about working, he 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:33.000 lied about everything. And I have no clue how he 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:38.679 even got into negotiations that evening for working this match. 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:41.879 Like where do you did you ever hear? Like where 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.040 we found this kid? Because I know his dad was 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:49.480 in the audience and this was up in Boston. His 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:52.960 father was there, His dad was there, so his father 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.600 took him. But he wasn't the age that he said 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.760 he was. He wasn't an established worker. I don't know 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.639 if he came early and was like because you know, 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.400 a lot of the times we would have guys come 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.000 for tryouts and they'd come early and we would pull 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.919 up and there'd be like twenty indie guys in the 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.120 front of the building just waiting for us to get 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.800 in there, and they wanted to try out and work. 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.800 So I don't know if this kid did the same thing. 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:23.840 I don't know where he can, Okay, but to tell, 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:28.200 you know, somebody that you have X amount of experience, 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.200 you've been working so many years and blah, and you're 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:33.840 you know, I don't know how old he told us 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:38.840 he was, but he wasn't. He lied about everything. Now, 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:45.800 did Jack take it too far? Absolutely? Absolutely, one hundred percent. 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.840 But the kid wouldn't have been in that position if 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:53.240 he didn't lie. He I guess he just wanted to 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:57.520 do it so badly, and unfortunately it costs him his life. 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:02.359 So it's it's just terrible situation. And I still won't 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.679 go back and watch it. I've never watched it. I 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.240 have no interest in seeing it. 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:09.080 It's pretty brutal. 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:12.160 Yeah, And you know I've said it before. A lot 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:15.520 of the times, these guys get over zealous in the 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:20.080 ring with the Green kids, and you know, I never 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:27.760 understood why somebody would deliberately hurt someone because in our business, 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:32.720 we're trying to protect each other. But according to veterans, 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:34.719 it's like, well, you have to break them in and 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:36.480 you have to show them what they're getting into and 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:39.200 blah blah blah, but not to the point where they can't. 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:43.800 I mean, I've seen guys leave the ring crying, like 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.680 actually sobbing, and the boys would make fun of them, 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:50.399 you know what I mean, Like, I think there's a 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:54.800 limit to how far you can push somebody before they break. 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:59.879 I just didn't like the ritual. It's like the hazings. 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:02.639 I still don't get that either. I don't think it 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:06.080 has any part in a locker room. But you know, 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:08.879 I guess I'm in the minority, and thank god I 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:11.200 didn't really have to go through that because I'm a female. 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:14.560 But you know, I've seen guys take it too far 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:19.040 with these kids and legitimately hurt them to where they 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:22.960 never came back. And then if you did come back 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:26.320 then you get their respect, and it's like, come on, 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:29.800 you break somebody's nose or you know, give them a 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:35.920 concussion deliberately, just to show them that you're you're a vet. 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:40.560 And I don't know, I never I never understood that. 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:44.520 I never agreed with it. I never will. But this 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:46.960 kid took it too far, like he shouldn't have even 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:47.560 been in that ring. 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:52.200 Would never happen now, I would. 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:55.679 Hope not, you know. And I loved Knew Jack. I 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:58.640 loved Knew Jack, don't get me wrong, but he, I mean, 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:01.240 it was it was way too much. 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:04.800 Come on, yeah, I completely agree. 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:07.800 And of course probably the most you know, violent incident 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:09.560 in d CW's history. 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:11.600 For sure, wrestling history. 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:16.320 That's not wrestling, no god, no, yeah, that's power. 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:20.040 Yeah, that's just way too much for me. 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.359 All right now, this one, I mean, I don't know 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:25.480 if this would make my list, but I'm sure it 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:29.720 probably holds up Terry Funk and Raven leading into barely 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:31.080 legal ninety seven. 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.080 I mean, I can see it. I think it would 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:42.840 get over now, not a ninety seven year old Terry Funk, 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:49.840 you know, but at that age people loved Terry. Terry 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:53.880 can do no wrong so any angle that he was in, 0:23:54.000 --> 0:24:00.479 I feel got over and would probably get over today. Now, 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:05.239 maybe not the bunk house bunk Terry Funk, but uh, 0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:11.240 you know, just Terry Funk coming out to my favorite Desperado. 0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:16.240 You know, this Terry funking Raven was a great story. 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:18.800 Yeah, it's a good story. 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:21.600 I just don't know, you know, if you're gonna five 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:23.480 angles to hold up, yes, but you know, maybe if 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.360 you're looking at the top ones of VCW, I don't 0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:29.320 know if it's well, this isn't the top. Yeah, I know, 0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:30.919 you're right, it's not the top, so I should be 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:32.720 looking that much into it. 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:34.520 But it's a good one, you know. 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:37.679 I mean the old veteran winning going after the world title, 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:41.560 you know, the the young brash bad guy telling him 0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:44.359 he's old and he should just retire and go back 0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:45.159 to his ranch. 0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:48.520 It could be said for a lot of guys out there. 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:53.080 We have a lot of aging wrestlers out there that 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:56.440 this could uh, this could stand up too if they 0:24:56.480 --> 0:24:59.879 wanted to, you know, do an angle with a younger worker, 0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:03.359 and I think it would get over. You know, because 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:05.720 the crowd was one hundred percent behind Terry Funk in 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:08.720 this right, so big baby face. 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:15.840 All right, first major heat alert with this list because 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:17.440 their list is officially flawed. 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:19.640 Oh oh, on your end. 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:23.440 Okay, the zoo what this is not ECW. 0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:25.720 Now this shouldn't even be on there. 0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:27.480 Come on, Yes, it aged. 0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:32.119 In the black shirt behind them with its hands like this. 0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:35.840 It aged poorly because it was awful. But this is 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:39.400 not ECW. They have the zombie from the debut edition 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:42.919 of ECW on Sci Fi, from the w W version. 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.840 They're not really talking about the zombie here. They're talking 0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:47.040 about the first episode. 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:50.320 The first episode, yes, okay, but if you if you 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:53.560 want to say the best part of this opening segment 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:57.200 is the Sandman comes out and cames the ship out 0:25:57.200 --> 0:25:57.800 of the zombie. 0:25:58.040 --> 0:25:58.760 It looks great. 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:02.480 I feel like, yeah, they're just referring to I think 0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:05.640 they're referring to the fake ec DUB as a company. 0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:11.399 I think the whole uh, the whole ECW thing was 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.000 a failure and did not age well. I don't know 0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:17.720 how long it lasted. How long did that even last? 0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:18.359 Like two years? 0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:21.920 So technically it lasted till like two thousand. 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:26.520 And nine, okay, so three years it went for a while, yeah, okay, 0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:29.919 three years. The whole thing was a failure. It was 0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:34.919 a missed opportunity people wanted to see I want to 0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:38.880 use the word nostalgia because people missed the original ECW. 0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:42.280 People wanted to see us in our own element. They 0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:45.520 didn't want to see characters that were not involved. They 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:49.080 didn't want to see, you know, us doing things that 0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:54.200 were so far out there. And the explanation is we're 0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:58.200 on sci Fi. No, there's there. There is no connection 0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:01.480 between us and the Sci Fi network. That's why the 0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:05.159 zombie was on that show. They even wanted aliens on 0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:05.679 the show. 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:07.959 Well, you know, good buddy of mine was also on 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:08.959 that show for a reason. 0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:12.399 I mean, well, no offense to him, but it just 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:17.159 it did not gel. And I'm telling you what everybody 0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:21.000 who signed, because before we all signed our contracts, everybody 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:23.280 was talking to everybody on the phone. People were calling 0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:24.399 each other, what are you going to do? Are you 0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:25.840 going to sign? I don't know, are you going to sign? 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:30.040 The only reason why we did it was for the money. 0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:32.560 None of us had high hopes for this company, and 0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:36.120 we all knew it was going to fail. At least 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:41.440 my circle of friends knew. So we were doomed from 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:44.679 the start. And we knew it, and I knew for 0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:48.240 a fact that my three year contract was not going 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:51.919 to last three years. Called it, called it as soon 0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:55.560 as I put my John Hancock on that paper. So 0:27:55.880 --> 0:28:00.119 it was just the catastrophe from the get go. If 0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.320 you're gonna do something, do it right, don't do it 0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:04.480 half ass. And that was done half. 0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:08.439 Ass pretty fss, you know. 0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:10.760 I mean, I remember seeing it as a fan, the 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.160 rumor that it was going to be on sci Fi 0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:14.960 and that they were going with the sci Fi characters. 0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:18.159 You're like, come on, that's not true. That's not going 0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:18.600 to happen. 0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:23.919 It was so ridiculous that it just infuriated most of 0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:25.879 the locker room. We would just sit there and be like, 0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:30.240 what the hell is going on? That's why every week 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.040 I would just try and leave early and get the 0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:36.840 hell out of there, just trying to dodge, dodge people 0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:38.640 and run away. 0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:40.640 But you know, it's so weird, so I just pulled 0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:40.920 it up. 0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:43.080 I went to and you I'm I'm sure you're probably 0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:48.320 at this show somewhere. I went to ECW WWE E 0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:51.160 CW at the Wacovia Center which is now the Wells 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:58.160 Fargo Center in Philadelphia. On July fourth, two thousand and six. Okay, 0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:02.640 ECW on Sci Fi. It was a Tuesday, so it 0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:03.560 was a taping, right. 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:05.320 This was a damn good show. 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:09.440 I remember this show being very very good, not having 0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:12.480 the zombie you know, not having the sci fi elements. 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:19.000 Poor zombie man. He went around after I think it 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.280 was at a convention, like everybody was at one of 0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:26.240 the conventions, and he apologized for his character. And I 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.240 think it was Sandman who was like, brother, there's no 0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:32.000 heat on you. It was management that was just like, 0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:36.360 come on, this is ridiculous. But nobody blamed the kid 0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:39.520 for doing the character. You know, you do what you're 0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:42.280 told to do. As ridiculous as it was, he was 0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:45.080 just doing what the office told him to do, so 0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:47.920 there was never heat on. I don't even know what 0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:51.400 his name was, but whoever play, I don't know what 0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:51.720 I mean. 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:00.480 Check out the results. 0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:04.280 Road Kill defeated Tony Mama Luke, CM Punk defeated C 0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:08.320 W Anderson, Saboo defeated Stevie Richards, Tommy. 0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:10.160 Dreamer defeats just incredible. How about that? 0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:13.200 On the show in two thousand and six, Okay, Mike 0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:16.520 Knox defeated Little Guido Test defeated Alice No the Big 0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:17.840 Show defeated. 0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:19.720 Rbd oh to win the championship. 0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:22.640 So that's the So that was the night before was 0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:25.000 the the RBD weed thing. 0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:27.800 Okay, that's a damn good show. 0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:30.240 It sounds good on paper. I don't know if it 0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:31.000 was ben in person. 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:34.880 I was there, but fifteen hundred people in the Wacobia 0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:36.360 Center s A. 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:41.440 W vibes, would you stop with your diggs? Knock it off? 0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:42.480 Be nice? 0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:45.880 And then I went to an ECW WWE E c 0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:48.240 W show in Tom's Riven, New Jersey that you were on. 0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:51.600 I know that for a fact. You know what you 0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:52.320 did on that show. 0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:59.920 No bikini contest of course, Kelly, Kelly, let's see then 0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:04.240 and Samman came out and beat up Matt Striker out. 0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:06.920 Yeah, okay, all. 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.320 Right, back to the countdown, Back to the countdown. This 0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:14.720 one one hundred percent held up TAZ versus seven. 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:19.520 Oh one of the best. Uh not only angles but 0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:25.360 build ups, never letting them touch for all those months. 0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:28.560 Have you ever seen that in your life? No, it 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:34.080 was brilliant. And the fans is this the night? Is 0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:35.640 this the night they're gonna touch? Is this the night 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.320 it's gonna have a Nope, you're gonna have to wait, 0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:45.080 and uh, just it was creatively like Paul just knew 0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:50.200 what worked and usually what didn't work, take away the 0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:54.200 crucifixion angle, but uh, he knew what he had on 0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:57.360 his hands with this, and and just waiting and waiting 0:31:57.400 --> 0:32:01.120 and waiting. It was just that anticipation that when they 0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:06.080 finally touched the place exploded great and it was such 0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:10.920 a huge pop, huge pop, and something that people still 0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:14.400 talk about to this day with those two. And I 0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:16.640 bet you if you asked Tazan Sabu, they would put 0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:18.720 it over as one of the greatest things they've ever 0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:23.040 done because it needs such an impact. 0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:25.400 Yeah, so many layers too. 0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:29.840 It was awesome Paul kind of breaking character as well 0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:33.520 and getting himself evolved to say how sabou No showed 0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:39.960 was in Japan rather be over there, you know. Yeah, 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.200 but like but telling that to the audience, you know, 0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:46.440 and doing voiceovers and explaining everything. And then I think 0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:49.000 the I think it was November to remember ninety six 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:51.440 was the one where they teased it going off the 0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:52.840 air with the two of them in the ring. 0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:55.840 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was great. 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.400 Just unbelievable. 0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:02.040 Just and I mean they show that every week four 0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:03.520 months at that clip. 0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:05.160 Good stuff. 0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:07.600 I'm telling you, I sound like a freaking old head. 0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:11.040 But they don't do stuff like that anymore. They should 0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:15.600 bring it back. Somebody steal it, bring it back, bring 0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:16.040 it back. 0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:16.320 Man. 0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:17.720 All right? 0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:21.880 So now this one they say aged poorly, but I 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:26.400 don't know, I kind of like it. 0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:26.760 Just me. 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:32.600 Here we go, Kimona and Beulah. 0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:36.280 Of course you would like that like that. Why do 0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:37.640 they think it aged poorly? 0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:40.720 It's the ECW wasn't known for its great portrayal of women. 0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:47.240 Few exceptions, women played the roles of objects to be 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.680 fought over or lusted after. While a lot of this 0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:52.560 can be chalked up to being a product of its time, 0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:55.200 Coomona want to lay It is a different story, especially 0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:58.920 the angle with Beulah. To give credit where credit is due, 0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:01.680 this is believed to be the first major lesbian angle 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.360 in a wrestling promotion. However, the fact that it was 0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:09.120 done for titillation and shock value rather than this story 0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:11.600 it makes us want to the story that makes us 0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:13.680 want to forget the whole thing ever happened? 0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:18.720 Well, yeah back then, Yeah, that was shock value. Today, 0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:21.399 that wouldn't be a big deal because look at all 0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:25.680 the nonsense they show on TV on free cable, like 0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:30.320 this wouldn't have been so shocking, you know, But back 0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:36.280 then you didn't see stuff like this, so I wouldn't 0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:40.080 say it aged poorly. I still think it was like 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:43.719 a wow moment in ECW and on other lists, like 0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:46.320 people put it over like it's the greatest thing ever 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:50.200 ever happened in the world. And that's all men, by 0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:52.960 the way. But I mean, if you did something like 0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:56.480 this today, it would get a pop, but not the 0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:59.360 reaction it got in nineteen ninety six or whenever. 0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:02.880 This was. So this was great. 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:07.040 I think the other angle involving Beulah with the pregnancy 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:11.759 would be the bigger shocker now than even then. I mean, 0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:15.440 and Nick got a pretty big shocking reveal then, Yeah. 0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:19.880 It just made her look like a whore, like a 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:24.359 whoror you know. But I told the story before. She 0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:28.120 didn't even want to do the angle, and she you know, 0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:30.080 I had a discussion with her and she's like, I 0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:32.240 just don't want to do this, and I was told, 0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:34.640 I think it was by Dreamer, like you tell her 0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:37.080 if she doesn't do it, she's fired, and I was 0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:40.000 just like, whoa. And when I told her, she was 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:44.160 very upset, very upset about it, and I was like, 0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:48.600 better than me, because I'm not doing this crap. You know. 0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:53.000 Yeah, it's it's incredible again because today this wouldn't even 0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:56.440 be blank that right now. But I mean, you know, 0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:59.680 maybe they would say it's portraying it in a negative light. 0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:03.440 That could also be done, you know, like say that's 0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.560 the reveal. Isn't done so tastefully, but. 0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:10.920 It was shocking. Yeah, I mean at the time you 0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:12.440 saw that, you lost your mind. 0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:16.520 I've seen indie shows now where two guys are making 0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:19.600 out in the ring like they're just it's very open. 0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:25.520 Sexuality is very open, fie. Is that how you say 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.600 his name? The Big Gay Brunch or the big gay 0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:31.600 whatever he does? Like, it's very It's very common now 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:34.440 and it's not. There's no shock value whatsoever when it 0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:35.440 comes to sexuality. 0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:37.680 I think it's the lockup on that show. 0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:39.880 It's the opening lockup on the. 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.400 First Yeah, right, but you know what I mean, Like 0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:45.759 back then, you didn't really see stuff like that. If 0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:48.880 you saw anybody kissing, it was a male and a 0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:52.680 female and that was it. And today it's very common 0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:58.080 and people just you know, especially on INDI's they just 0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:01.399 do whatever the hell they want, incorporate whatever they want. 0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:05.800 So nothing shocks me anymore. But back then that was 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:06.480 pretty shocking. 0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:08.920 This is completely visual for the two of us. I 0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:11.520 know this is an audio podcast. I got to ask 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:13.640 about that ring. Is that what it always looked like? 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:14.800 There's blood? 0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:18.239 I used to say it was if you want hepatitis 0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:23.920 b ring like. Yeah, it was disgusting. I think most 0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:28.239 of the stains. I don't know if we ever had 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:31.920 it professionally cleaned, but those stains were blood. 0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:36.879 I could see the Yeah you see the brownish you know, blood, Yeah, 0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:39.960 you see that. You could see those are bloodstains. Jerry 0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:45.160 the Jerry Seinfeld joke. If bloodstains on your garments are 0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:47.839 your biggest problem, maybe dry cleaning is something you don't 0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:48.600 need to worry about. 0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:48.919 Yeah. 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:51.600 I don't know how often they got in there with 0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:56.280 the lysol or the that stuffed steam cleaner. 0:37:56.320 --> 0:38:02.880 You know you go to shop right and rent the. 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:04.480 C There were always things out there. Uh yeah, look 0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:04.799 at the. 0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:07.120 Tape there it is. 0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:15.319 Look at the tape because there's holes. 0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.680 Two, three, four. 0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:21.920 Four blue duct tape or electrical tape problems. 0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:24.560 And you have to remember too, there's been barbed wire 0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:30.200 in that ring, ripping stuff up. I don't know. You know, Look, 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:33.080 we didn't have that U W W A E W 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:36.800 money bank roll to just keep buying new tarp and 0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:39.920 rings and all this stuff. We had to make do. 0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:44.520 That's why we were edgy and gritty and cool. We were, yes, 0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:45.279 we were. 0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:48.640 You know, but if look she was uncomfortable with it, 0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:50.960 their hair drops down and doing things you need to 0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:51.520 roll around. 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:55.560 Yeah, I know, but still it's just the the image 0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:59.239 I think ship I got it, you know, and you 0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:04.160 can work look, and you can work anything. You can 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.360 work anything when you with your partner out there, you 0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:09.560 can make it, make it look like a million bucks, 0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:13.600 but work it. And that's what they did. So I 0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:16.160 don't think they were tonguing each other like the guys 0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:17.560 in the audience thought they were. 0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:18.680 Damn it. 0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:23.000 Sorry sorry to disappoint you, but I just don't think 0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:23.680 that happened. 0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:29.120 All right, This one holds up because you could slot 0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:31.520 one of these guys on somebody's television and continue the 0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:35.040 angle tonight. Cyrus and Joey styles. 0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:43.279 That whole network angle was just true but brilliant. Like, 0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:47.120 you know, Paul saw what the network, the TNN was 0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:49.400 doing to us, and he just ran with it. It's like, 0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:52.359 what do we have to lose? Are we gonna piss 0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:55.840 them off? Yeah? So what, We're under a contract and 0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.879 we have until this day to do something. So we're 0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:00.880 gonna take the ball and we're gonna with it. And 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.400 that's exactly what he did. And I think some of 0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:08.160 Joey's best work was in this angle because he's always 0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:10.520 like the timid little Joey, you know what I mean. 0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:12.759 And here he's got a set of balls and he's 0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:15.880 just standing up to Cyrus and it led to them 0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:19.880 actually fighting at one point. And I love to see 0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:22.239 that kind of stuff because he's more than an announcer. 0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:26.319 Joey became one of the He was always one of 0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:29.640 the boys, but he became like a character in an angle, 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:32.600 not just the play by play guy, the color guy, 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:36.520 the announcer guy. You know, people were like chanting for 0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:39.719 Joey to beat the shit out of Cyrus, and everybody 0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:41.920 wanted to see that. You could have made a match 0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:44.919 that could have been like an actual pay per view 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:50.040 match if Joey wanted to do it, and it would 0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:51.680 have been brilliant. 0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:54.319 Now he got it super aggressive. It would then lead 0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:56.080 the stuff he did later too. You know, he got 0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:57.120 a lot more physical. 0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:02.120 Yeah, that's what I'm saying, more than an announcer, and 0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:06.200 he became one of, you know, like a character, like 0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:08.719 one of the wrestlers, even though he wasn't a wrestler. 0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:11.600 But you don't have to be a wrestler to be 0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:16.480 a personality in wrestling. Again, Don Callous is a wrestler. 0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:19.239 Don they could have did something and Don could have 0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:21.879 carried him and Joey could have beat the shit out 0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:24.120 of him, and Don would have made Joey look like 0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:27.359 a million bucks. I guarantee you that would have been 0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:30.000 so awesome to see. I mean, we got a little 0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:32.520 snippet and a little taste here and there, but if 0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:35.680 they actually had like a full blown feud pay per match, 0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:39.399 Oh how great would that would have been? It would 0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:42.279 have been excellent. I would have loved to have seen that. 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:46.879 Been nice on the February two thousand and one pay 0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:47.480 per view. 0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:49.360 If it ever happened. 0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:52.279 Yeah, sure, But yeah, on the side, you could pluck 0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.319 Joey Styles out of where he's at today. And put 0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:58.080 him on AW television and continue it tonight if you 0:41:58.120 --> 0:41:58.480 wanted to. 0:41:58.680 --> 0:42:03.680 He is such a lost piece of talent. He should 0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:05.880 still be in the business calling the action. 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:08.280 He'd probably be an AW. 0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:11.120 Maybe, I don't know. I don't know. 0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:16.959 Tony Tony would one hundred percent have gone after Joey Styles. 0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:18.640 It's such a locking sock and barrel. 0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:24.000 I spoke to him, I want to say three years ago. 0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:28.160 I had contacted him to come on our show when 0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:31.799 I was up here, and he declined and he said, 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:34.520 I'm doing nothing with wrestling, and I was just like, 0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:38.239 not even for me, because he always used to tell 0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:41.719 me like you're my favorite, blah blah blah, and he 0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:44.000 was just like, I would love to, but I just 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:47.040 can't do it. And I don't know if he's afraid 0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:51.560 of that's stupid. What was it the R O H commentary? 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:55.040 Or it was no? It was uh uh not? 0:42:55.280 --> 0:43:00.040 Was it Gabe Sepalski's It wasn't rh. 0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:02.520 It was evolved. 0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:06.280 It was one of those little side semi popular ones 0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:10.120 out of like that care liillly area that he made 0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:14.319 a comment and they crucified him, and it was so 0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:19.000 ridiculous because he was doing so well on his comeback 0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:26.239 after it was a political like comment and he was 0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:29.520 crucified and it was such that was where you almost 0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:32.160 you almost like got to give him credit for being like, 0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:34.200 you know what, f you, I'm out of here. 0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:36.480 You know you're. 0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:38.040 Gonna treat me like this. I'm never coming back. 0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:41.799 I don't blame him. Yeah, No, there's no blame in it. 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:45.560 It's just wasted. It's talent that's wasted because he was 0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:48.239 so good at what he did. And I feel like, 0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:50.319 if you, like, if you brought him the wrestle Coon 0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:53.040 this year, oh my god, his line would be out 0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:53.439 the door. 0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:54.600 Yeah. 0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:56.799 And I told him that. I was like, look, you 0:43:56.800 --> 0:44:01.719 should really look into doing some of the bigger cons. Yeah, 0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:05.239 nobody's judging you for anything. There are people who have 0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:09.200 said far worse than him and are still walking around 0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:10.160 with their headheld. 0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:12.000 On getting five hundred dollars a signature. 0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:17.359 Unbelievable. I just it irritates me because he's so good 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:19.919 at what he did and he's such a nice guy, 0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:22.280 and I would love to see him back on the circuit, 0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:23.759 but you're never going to see him again. 0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:27.120 From a signing point of view, I never made more 0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:29.439 in one single day than I did when I worked 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:30.320 at Joey Styles. 0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:32.239 Oh okay, we brought it. 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:35.240 We were We brought him into the arena the first 0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:38.279 signing he did after he was released by WWE in 0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:44.239 twenty seventeen. I've never held that much cash in my 0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:45.000 hand at once. 0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:46.759 Really was it an icons? 0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:51.160 It was the second or third icons up to that point. 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.720 I've since held more because I worked with William Shatner. 0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:59.000 But you know Joey, they turned out and droves. 0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:03.000 Yeah they again. Yeah, he hasn't been seen in so long. 0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:07.759 Such a shame a professional, Like just it's like so 0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:10.640 on top of everything. And again, this is a guy 0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:12.960 who's like, you know what, you're gonna treat me like this, 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:15.560 I'm out of here, And it's your own fault. 0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:17.760 It's for him and that's it. Yeah, stood his ground. 0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:20.040 Yeah, he stands up for what he believes in. And 0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:23.120 I get it. It's just sad on a personal level 0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:25.640 for me because I was such close friends with him 0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:29.240 and admired him for his work ethic and what he's 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:32.879 done for wrestling, and I just feel like it's it's 0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:38.160 such a waste of talent not being used because he's 0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:40.120 wonderful at what he did. 0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:41.120 Agreed sad. 0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:43.120 All right, we come to the last one. This isn't 0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:47.000 aged poorly. Okay, again I don't think that this should 0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:49.000 be on the list, but again this is their list. 0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.960 We will have a quick discussion afterwards for what has 0:45:52.000 --> 0:46:00.440 been omitted aged poorly Vince McMahon ecwh. 0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:03.279 To here with that. That's not even the thing. This 0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:05.680 has nothing to do with ECW. 0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:07.560 Two thousand and seven ECW champion. 0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:12.920 This goes up there with what's his name, David Arquette 0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:17.160 being WCW champion my book, you. 0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:18.319 Know what I mean? Why? 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:22.280 Why did he even need the belt? Does Vince McMahon 0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:27.040 need a belt? No? Absolutely not. No one wants to 0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:29.239 see him as ECW champ. No one wants to see 0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:33.040 him as champion of anything. I know, I don't. I 0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:35.120 just want to see him on Netflix telling his story. 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:36.400 That's all I want. 0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:39.719 I just would like to say that the person who 0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:41.000 put this article together. 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.960 More than likely never watched DCW. 0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:45.719 I don't know if they did or not, but this 0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.799 should not be on the list. Should This should be 0:46:49.080 --> 0:46:51.880 like in the fake ec they have to have a 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:55.120 composite of the fake ECUB failures. This should be the 0:46:55.200 --> 0:47:03.200 number one failure for the WWE Slash ECW show for 0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:04.560 the three years or whatever. 0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:06.759 Okay, I'm gonna read you the first sentence, and this 0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:08.919 is why I'm gonna cement that statement right here. 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:10.080 Yes, you read that right. 0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:13.440 The chairman of w W booked himself as ECW's champion 0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:16.320 in two thousand and seven, putting him on the same 0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:22.960 list as legends like TAZ, Don Morocco and CM Punk. 0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:29.520 The three names synonymous quit the ECW championship. Taz Yes, 0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:35.960 Don Morocco and Cmpunk Don Morocco ECW champion. Of course, 0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:39.040 I will not not recognize one of my favorite guys 0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:39.640 of all time. 0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:44.560 But Punk was the fake e C. Dub as well. 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:49.120 Yeah, but like Don Morocco, that's the one guy. Well, 0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:49.840 you're partial. 0:47:49.880 --> 0:47:51.360 You would have put Shane Douglas in that. 0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:57.759 I would have been Where's Man, Where's Raven? Where's Where's 0:47:57.800 --> 0:47:58.400 just giving. 0:47:58.160 --> 0:47:59.520 Me a couple examples. 0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:04.520 He's not the name that came to the list. 0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:08.719 Look, all I know is this man should not have 0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:10.440 a belt around his waist, and it should not be 0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:14.440 an ECW title, and the fake ECB should not be 0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:18.640 associated with the real the original ECW. I hate when 0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:23.920 people make that you know, distinct like it. It's it's 0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:28.239 a different entity. It's not the same company. It's not ECW. 0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:32.600 Matt Cardona always jokes around on online and puts a 0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:34.920 picture of himself up and says, I am an ECW 0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:37.919 original And he does it for heat. You know, he's 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:40.320 not stupid. He knows how to generate heat and stuff. 0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:43.200 And like one time I wrote, I put like the 0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:45.799 side eye. I was like, oh please, you know, the 0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:49.200 side ie. But the fans get so pissed off. Well 0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:51.879 that's not the real ECW and blah blah blah, and 0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.520 it's it's just stuff like this is a slap in 0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:58.080 the face, not only to us, but to to just 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:00.400 the boys. Like why does Vince have to have this 0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:05.480 belt around his waist? What is this doing for his character? Nothing, 0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:10.000 It's just annoying to look at it. He does not 0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:14.960 need a belt, He didn't need it. He draws enough 0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:18.240 heat without it, and he just looks ridiculous. I'm sorry. 0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:21.160 This is worse than the mustache in my opinion. 0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:22.840 I know, right, Can you imagine the guy with the 0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:24.480 mustache wearing that belt. 0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:27.040 With when he's with one of his ladies. 0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:29.840 No, I don't want to imagine that at all. What 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:32.879 I'm saying, like the come one. 0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:34.400 That was ridiculous. 0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:36.319 And he was also wearing his do rag because that's 0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:38.040 after he lost lost his hair. 0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:38.600 To Donald Trump. 0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:47.840 Oh okay, well, okay, obvious, huge, gigantic astronomical omission the halo. 0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:52.400 Yeah, yeah, I think that was a pretty well you know, 0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:55.640 could that stand up in today's business? 0:49:56.200 --> 0:49:57.799 Is that age well or age poor? 0:49:58.160 --> 0:49:58.359 Right? 0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:01.279 What do you think I'm gonna say, Well, because of 0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:02.759 the heat you guys got. 0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:07.840 I think with anybody with an injury, somebody attacking the injury, 0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:10.759 you know, gets heat on that person, sympathy for the 0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:13.480 baby face. So yeah, I think it aged twelve. I 0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:15.680 think it would hold up today if somebody did it 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:20.799 in twenty twenty four. Absolutely, I think honestly. And I'm 0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:22.879 not just saying this because I was involved with it, 0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:28.360 but that angle was one of the heaviest heat seeking 0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:32.120 missile angles that we've ever done. The heat that was 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:36.680 on Shane and I for that was astronomical. And I 0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:38.840 know we had a lot of heels in the business 0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:41.520 and they drew a lot of heat. But I'm sorry, 0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:44.479 I've never seen people jump the guard and I'm talking 0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:47.000 about an ECW. I've never seen people that try and 0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:50.800 jump the guardrail and attack people like I did that evening. 0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:57.160 I've never seen it. So, you know, we drew a 0:50:57.239 --> 0:50:59.480 hell of a lot of heat. 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:03.200 Yeah, that's incredible. Now, how about an age poor? Anything 0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:04.080 that can come to mind? 0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:06.080 We gave one age. Well, let's give an age poor. 0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:11.960 Hmmm. God, there's so I mean, seven years worth of 0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:15.560 stuff that I can say I was there for. It's 0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:17.439 a lot. 0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:18.799 Just trying to think quick. 0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:23.759 How about cactus Jack Cut consists constantly bringing up Eric Bischoff. 0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:27.800 Well, I mean, he was on his way up the door. 0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:30.040 It was kind of like a. 0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:33.560 It was just I thought it got to be a 0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:35.319 little too much. It was like, all right, we get it. 0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:37.000 You know, it's redundant for you. 0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:38.960 Yeah, it was like, okay, you know, he's the guy. 0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:39.799 We don't like him. 0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:43.839 It's w CW like W kind of sucks. At that point, 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:44.839 It's like, okay. 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:47.400 Great, just go just leave. That's the part of your 0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:49.560 character is that you love Eric Bischoff. 0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:50.839 Like he was calling him uncle uncle Eric. 0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:51.399 Eric. 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:53.600 Yeah. Yeah, and you have heights and you know, I 0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:54.160 guess right. 0:51:55.000 --> 0:51:57.719 Right, I don't know I feel like most of the 0:51:57.760 --> 0:52:01.120 stuff that we did was a hit. We had some misses, 0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:04.840 like obviously, like nobody that's a thousand all the time. 0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:08.839 I think overall, though, if you ask the fans, I 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:12.160 think they would give us the thumbs up for content. 0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:19.040 And you can definitely go back to whatever you watch 0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:24.319 us on and say this angle is still relevant and 0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:28.040 can be used in twenty twenty four. Most of the 0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:31.000 stuff we did back then you could still pull off today. 0:52:31.400 --> 0:52:33.560 And we get that when we do signings, Shane and 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:37.560 I always get that from fans, like, man, I don't 0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:40.839 watch the current product. I watch you guys, and it's 0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:44.920 still over in this day and age. So that's a 0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:49.680 testament to just Paul and whoever was in on those 0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:53.640 angles in creative, you know. And we're proud of that. 0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:57.920 So I think overall we aged well as a company. 0:52:58.520 --> 0:53:00.279 I mean, I think you can hold it up up 0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:04.920 extremely well. When you look at anything past you know, 0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:08.960 twenty and fifteen ish, you know, it's gone very corny 0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:11.479 over the last five to six seven years. 0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:14.319 It's some things have there's some cool things that are 0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:15.719 out there now. Don't don't get us. 0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:16.320 Shot, don't get me. 0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:18.840 Yeah, I on this sport. 0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:20.040 No, no, not at. 0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:24.080 All talking about you know what happened thirty years ago. 0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:27.120 If you can say, man, that's still cool in twenty 0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:30.680 twenty four, then you did something right, you know. So 0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:34.520 it's it's fun to look back and compare and see 0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:37.759 what's hot and what's not. But overall, I do think 0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:43.160 that ECW was a company that did it differently, did 0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:48.279 it well, and could still hold court in this day 0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:48.800 and age. 0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:53.439 Well said, all right, well we will wrap that up 0:53:53.719 --> 0:53:57.560 for today. 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I'll be there with the Sandman, 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:21.279 Todd Gordon RVD, and maybe Just Incredible. I'm still not 0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:22.400 sure if he's gonna be it. 0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:24.920 You know what, I just passed it on your timeline. 0:55:25.080 --> 0:55:27.640 Just Incredible is there at the same time as yet. 0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:29.040 At the same time. Oh good, okay, So the five 0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:31.879 of us will be in store signing from two to five. 0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:34.040 So if you're in the Queen's area or can get 0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:35.920 to the Queen's area, come on down and see us. 0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:38.400 And if you want to follow me on social media, 0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:41.759 you can do so at ECW DVA. Francine. I hope 0:55:41.800 --> 0:55:44.239 you're staying safe. I hope you were staying healthy, and 0:55:44.280 --> 0:56:08.000 most of all, I hope you are staying extreme, bore, bad,