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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it is the Queen of Extreme fran Scene

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Speaker 1: and you are listening to Eyes up here on the

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio network or wherever you get In the podcast. As always,

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by my coachch Chad. Ay, Chad's going on.

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to get extreme.

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Speaker 1: You want to get extreme.

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to get extreme with the Queen.

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Speaker 1: I love that extreme. That's great. What are we going

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Speaker 1: to talk about today?

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Speaker 2: You have to plan I know.

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Speaker 3: Today's episode features the top five ecw angles, the still

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Speaker 3: hold up and five that age poor Lee, according to

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Speaker 3: the sports website now the Sports.

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Speaker 1: Kir We disagree with them in the pant haven't we

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Speaker 1: we have? Okay, there is this the one with the

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Speaker 1: British guy that you were making fun of his voice.

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Speaker 2: More than likely they're all British guys.

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Speaker 1: I love the British. I love their accents, though I

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Speaker 1: could listen to them all day long. Well, I will

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Speaker 1: give my two cents if you know I disagree, and

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Speaker 1: I assume you will do the same. But there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of these guys out there that just will crap

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Speaker 1: on the product and they don't get it. They don't

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Speaker 1: get the angles we were trying to pull off. Or

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Speaker 1: you know, the bumps we were trying to take, or

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Speaker 1: the psychology. They just don't get it. So these writers

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Speaker 1: sometimes miss the mark. So curious to see what they

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Speaker 1: think is good and what they think is crappy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 3: We've watched them on Patreon before and we've watched more

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Speaker 3: of the videos.

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Speaker 2: This is going to be an.

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Speaker 3: Actual article, and this is also from twenty twenty, so

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if the author of this

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Speaker 3: article still still feels the same way. But in terms

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Speaker 3: of something that you look at as being, you know,

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Speaker 3: a discussable topic, ECW's been gone since two thousand and one.

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Speaker 3: So the debate ended the moment the doors were closed.

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Speaker 2: So you, being the.

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Speaker 3: One who was involved in a lot of angles, and

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Speaker 3: I'm sure watched a lot of the products, you are

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Speaker 3: to me the best person to ask this. Now, let

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Speaker 3: me ask you this. Take out any of the ones

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Speaker 3: that you were in. What's like, what's one that just

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Speaker 3: stands out to you before we dive into the list

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Speaker 3: that just not a personal favorite, but just one that

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Speaker 1: Well. I mean, I think it was the worst angle

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Speaker 1: we ever did, but the crucifixion angle. That one's will

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Speaker 1: always stick out like a sore thumb to me because

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Speaker 1: I absolutely, we positively hated it. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: in poor taste. And in listening to this podcast, the

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Speaker 1: one episode where ae W did something on Good Friday

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Speaker 1: with the remember we discussed that as well, so they

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Speaker 1: were trying to like redo an angle that we did

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Speaker 1: years ago. I just think that was one of the

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Speaker 1: worst worst angles in wrestling history, and it's embarrassing. I'm

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Speaker 1: so glad, you know, if they had asked me to

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Speaker 1: it's just wrestling, or it's just an angle, but it's

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Speaker 1: in poor taste. I think that that was one of

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I'm not going to give you

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Speaker 3: a spoiler per se, but I am going to jump

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Speaker 3: ahead just a little bit just to show you that

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Speaker 3: you and the sports there Greek because they're number nine

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just didn't. And to even have like Tyler

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Speaker 1: disgusting to me. And I know there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: there's a problem. I'm not saying the whole arena walked out,

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Speaker 1: in my mind. And when people say, like, what's the

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Speaker 1: worst thing you guys ever did, I always say crucifixion.

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Speaker 2: Angle also cost you guys, Kurt Angle.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he got pissed and walked out too. He

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Speaker 1: was just like I'm out of here, which was probably

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Speaker 2: That's that's great.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know how he would have fit, you know,

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Speaker 1: Well. I think I think he would have fit in

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Speaker 2: In ninety five.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about that ninety six on ECW or like

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Speaker 2: I can't see Kurt angle in there.

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Speaker 1: I see I can, because right than he was a

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Speaker 1: Like I, I just saw him as one of our

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Speaker 1: His heart was not into it, he did not want

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Speaker 1: Paul sent him out there so you know, you have

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Speaker 1: God didn't bother everybody else. And I was probably one

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, Yeah, kurd angle, you lost out

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Speaker 3: on the kurd angle. Taz, you lost on on kurd angle.

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Speaker 2: Shane. You know, it's a.

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Speaker 1: Lot that we couldn't Yeah, because when like Shane and

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Speaker 1: I stood with him before that angle happened, he seemed

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Speaker 1: and that was it. And I was like, yeah, great,

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Speaker 1: great going, Paul, way to go.

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Speaker 3: One of those what ifs, Yeah exactly, Lore, all right,

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Speaker 3: so let's get back to the top of the count

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Speaker 3: down here. So this is in the holds up column, okay,

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Speaker 3: And I would one hundred percent agree with this, and

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Speaker 3: I think you know the person in the picture pretty well.

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Speaker 3: The angle that they have holding up very well is

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Speaker 2: The picture right nice Raven's return.

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Speaker 3: So they are saying that they put the Tommy Dreamer

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Speaker 3: Raven angle as a whole at the top of this list,

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Speaker 3: where the entire duration of it from start to finish,

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Speaker 3: their feud going back being kids at summer camp, the

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Speaker 3: inclusion of Beulah, the fact that Tommy could never beat Raven,

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Speaker 3: the fact that took them till he he finally did

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Speaker 3: what happens, Oh Raven's back, then they're tag champs together,

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Speaker 3: the love hate relationship, your inclusion, then all the fighting in.

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Speaker 2: Between the three of you. It never stopped with this duo.

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Speaker 1: No, And I feel like part of the reason why

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Speaker 1: But people like when angles go longer than three weeks.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this, everybody flip flops anymore. Paul knew

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Speaker 1: how to tell a story and make it last, you know,

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Speaker 1: extend it and keep people wanting more, and because Tommy

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Speaker 1: Am I ever gonna beat them? I don't know, blah

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Speaker 1: I had said prior my involvement, and then this wasn't

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Speaker 1: a continuation of what they did round one and here

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Speaker 1: we have a different girl, Well, let's fight over her now. No,

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Speaker 1: I didn't like that. I would have liked to have

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Speaker 1: for me, I just would have preferred it go a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean it's a I can see, like,

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Speaker 3: you know, if they used you as like you know,

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Speaker 3: you're the manager of the champions, somebody needs you in

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Speaker 2: But again, you know, of course it adds a dimension.

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Speaker 3: But I see exactly what you mean by it's just

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Speaker 3: the retread of what they did.

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Speaker 1: I mean The difference with this one is I actually

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Speaker 1: it different than the first one. But and even still,

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Speaker 1: I just didn't like the whole romantic love triangle. It

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Speaker 1: was just I don't know, it was done already, and

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Speaker 1: I just wanted it to go like a different way.

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Speaker 1: And I would have loved just to do something creative

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Speaker 1: I just went along with what they told me to do.

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Speaker 2: So it's never a dreamer guy. I was all about Raven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't you wear a costume? What a mark? What

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Speaker 2: I was I was searching for an identity.

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Speaker 3: Hey, at least it was in high school and not now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what were in your house now. You

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Speaker 1: Mess transit mass transit. Yeah. I was there for that. Again,

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Speaker 1: Like where do you did you ever hear? Like where

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know I've said it before. A lot

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Speaker 1: I just didn't like the ritual. It's like the hazings.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, I never I never understood that.

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Speaker 2: For sure, wrestling history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just way too much for me.

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Speaker 3: All right now, this one, I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can see it. I think it would

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Speaker 3: I just don't know, you know, if you're gonna five

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Speaker 1: It could be said for a lot of guys out there.

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Speaker 3: All right, first major heat alert with this list because

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, on your end.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the zoo what this is not ECW.

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Speaker 1: Now this shouldn't even be on there.

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Speaker 3: not ECW. They have the zombie from the debut edition

437
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 3: of ECW on Sci Fi, from the w W version.

438
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: They're not really talking about the zombie here. They're talking

439
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: about the first episode.

440
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: The first episode, yes, okay, but if you if you

441
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 3: want to say the best part of this opening segment

442
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 3: is the Sandman comes out and cames the ship out

443
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: of the zombie.

444
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: It looks great.

445
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, they're just referring to I think

446
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: they're referring to the fake ec DUB as a company.

447
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: I think the whole uh, the whole ECW thing was

448
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: a failure and did not age well. I don't know

449
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: how long it lasted. How long did that even last?

450
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: Like two years?

451
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: So technically it lasted till like two thousand.

452
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: And nine, okay, so three years it went for a while, yeah, okay,

453
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: three years. The whole thing was a failure. It was

454
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: a missed opportunity people wanted to see I want to

455
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: use the word nostalgia because people missed the original ECW.

456
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: People wanted to see us in our own element. They

457
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: didn't want to see characters that were not involved. They

458
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: didn't want to see, you know, us doing things that

459
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: were so far out there. And the explanation is we're

460
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: on sci Fi. No, there's there. There is no connection

461
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: between us and the Sci Fi network. That's why the

462
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: zombie was on that show. They even wanted aliens on

463
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: the show.

464
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 3: Well, you know, good buddy of mine was also on

465
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:08,959
Speaker 3: that show for a reason.

466
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: I mean, well, no offense to him, but it just

467
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: it did not gel. And I'm telling you what everybody

468
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: who signed, because before we all signed our contracts, everybody

469
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: was talking to everybody on the phone. People were calling

470
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: each other, what are you going to do? Are you

471
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: going to sign? I don't know, are you going to sign?

472
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: The only reason why we did it was for the money.

473
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: None of us had high hopes for this company, and

474
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: we all knew it was going to fail. At least

475
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: my circle of friends knew. So we were doomed from

476
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: the start. And we knew it, and I knew for

477
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: a fact that my three year contract was not going

478
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: to last three years. Called it, called it as soon

479
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: as I put my John Hancock on that paper. So

480
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: it was just the catastrophe from the get go. If

481
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna do something, do it right, don't do it

482
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: half ass. And that was done half.

483
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 2: Ass pretty fss, you know.

484
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I remember seeing it as a fan, the

485
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 3: rumor that it was going to be on sci Fi

486
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: and that they were going with the sci Fi characters.

487
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 2: You're like, come on, that's not true. That's not going

488
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: to happen.

489
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: It was so ridiculous that it just infuriated most of

490
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: the locker room. We would just sit there and be like,

491
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? That's why every week

492
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: I would just try and leave early and get the

493
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: hell out of there, just trying to dodge, dodge people

494
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: and run away.

495
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: But you know, it's so weird, so I just pulled

496
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: it up.

497
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: I went to and you I'm I'm sure you're probably

498
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: at this show somewhere. I went to ECW WWE E

499
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: CW at the Wacovia Center which is now the Wells

500
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: Fargo Center in Philadelphia. On July fourth, two thousand and six. Okay,

501
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: ECW on Sci Fi. It was a Tuesday, so it

502
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: was a taping, right.

503
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: This was a damn good show.

504
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: I remember this show being very very good, not having

505
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 3: the zombie you know, not having the sci fi elements.

506
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: Poor zombie man. He went around after I think it

507
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: was at a convention, like everybody was at one of

508
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: the conventions, and he apologized for his character. And I

509
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: think it was Sandman who was like, brother, there's no

510
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: heat on you. It was management that was just like,

511
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: come on, this is ridiculous. But nobody blamed the kid

512
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: for doing the character. You know, you do what you're

513
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: told to do. As ridiculous as it was, he was

514
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: just doing what the office told him to do, so

515
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: there was never heat on. I don't even know what

516
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: his name was, but whoever play, I don't know what

517
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: I mean.

518
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: Check out the results.

519
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: Road Kill defeated Tony Mama Luke, CM Punk defeated C

520
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: W Anderson, Saboo defeated Stevie Richards, Tommy.

521
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: Dreamer defeats just incredible. How about that?

522
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: On the show in two thousand and six, Okay, Mike

523
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: Knox defeated Little Guido Test defeated Alice No the Big

524
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: Show defeated.

525
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: Rbd oh to win the championship.

526
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: So that's the So that was the night before was

527
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 3: the the RBD weed thing.

528
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a damn good show.

529
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: It sounds good on paper. I don't know if it

530
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: was ben in person.

531
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: I was there, but fifteen hundred people in the Wacobia

532
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: Center s A.

533
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: W vibes, would you stop with your diggs? Knock it off?

534
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: Be nice?

535
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 3: And then I went to an ECW WWE E c

536
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: W show in Tom's Riven, New Jersey that you were on.

537
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: I know that for a fact. You know what you

538
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: did on that show.

539
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: No bikini contest of course, Kelly, Kelly, let's see then

540
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: and Samman came out and beat up Matt Striker out.

541
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all.

542
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 3: Right, back to the countdown, Back to the countdown. This

543
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: one one hundred percent held up TAZ versus seven.

544
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: Oh one of the best. Uh not only angles but

545
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: build ups, never letting them touch for all those months.

546
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that in your life? No, it

547
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: was brilliant. And the fans is this the night? Is

548
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: this the night they're gonna touch? Is this the night

549
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna have a Nope, you're gonna have to wait,

550
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: and uh, just it was creatively like Paul just knew

551
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: what worked and usually what didn't work, take away the

552
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: crucifixion angle, but uh, he knew what he had on

553
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: his hands with this, and and just waiting and waiting

554
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: and waiting. It was just that anticipation that when they

555
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: finally touched the place exploded great and it was such

556
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: a huge pop, huge pop, and something that people still

557
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: talk about to this day with those two. And I

558
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: bet you if you asked Tazan Sabu, they would put

559
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: it over as one of the greatest things they've ever

560
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: done because it needs such an impact.

561
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so many layers too.

562
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: It was awesome Paul kind of breaking character as well

563
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: and getting himself evolved to say how sabou No showed

564
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 3: was in Japan rather be over there, you know. Yeah,

565
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: but like but telling that to the audience, you know,

566
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: and doing voiceovers and explaining everything. And then I think

567
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: the I think it was November to remember ninety six

568
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: was the one where they teased it going off the

569
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: air with the two of them in the ring.

570
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was great.

571
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: Just unbelievable.

572
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 3: Just and I mean they show that every week four

573
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: months at that clip.

574
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: Good stuff.

575
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I sound like a freaking old head.

576
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: But they don't do stuff like that anymore. They should

577
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: bring it back. Somebody steal it, bring it back, bring

578
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: it back.

579
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: Man.

580
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: All right?

581
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: So now this one they say aged poorly, but I

582
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: don't know, I kind of like it.

583
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: Just me.

584
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: Here we go, Kimona and Beulah.

585
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: Of course you would like that like that. Why do

586
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: they think it aged poorly?

587
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: It's the ECW wasn't known for its great portrayal of women.

588
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: Few exceptions, women played the roles of objects to be

589
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: fought over or lusted after. While a lot of this

590
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: can be chalked up to being a product of its time,

591
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 3: Coomona want to lay It is a different story, especially

592
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: the angle with Beulah. To give credit where credit is due,

593
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: this is believed to be the first major lesbian angle

594
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: in a wrestling promotion. However, the fact that it was

595
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: done for titillation and shock value rather than this story

596
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: it makes us want to the story that makes us

597
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: want to forget the whole thing ever happened?

598
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: Well, yeah back then, Yeah, that was shock value. Today,

599
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be a big deal because look at all

600
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: the nonsense they show on TV on free cable, like

601
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: this wouldn't have been so shocking, you know, But back

602
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: then you didn't see stuff like this, so I wouldn't

603
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: say it aged poorly. I still think it was like

604
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: a wow moment in ECW and on other lists, like

605
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: people put it over like it's the greatest thing ever

606
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: ever happened in the world. And that's all men, by

607
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: the way. But I mean, if you did something like

608
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: this today, it would get a pop, but not the

609
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: reaction it got in nineteen ninety six or whenever.

610
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: This was. So this was great.

611
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: I think the other angle involving Beulah with the pregnancy

612
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 3: would be the bigger shocker now than even then. I mean,

613
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: and Nick got a pretty big shocking reveal then, Yeah.

614
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: It just made her look like a whore, like a

615
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: whoror you know. But I told the story before. She

616
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: didn't even want to do the angle, and she you know,

617
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: I had a discussion with her and she's like, I

618
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 1: just don't want to do this, and I was told,

619
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: I think it was by Dreamer, like you tell her

620
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: if she doesn't do it, she's fired, and I was

621
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: just like, whoa. And when I told her, she was

622
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: very upset, very upset about it, and I was like,

623
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: better than me, because I'm not doing this crap. You know.

624
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's incredible again because today this wouldn't even

625
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: be blank that right now. But I mean, you know,

626
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 3: maybe they would say it's portraying it in a negative light.

627
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 3: That could also be done, you know, like say that's

628
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: the reveal. Isn't done so tastefully, but.

629
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: It was shocking. Yeah, I mean at the time you

630
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: saw that, you lost your mind.

631
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: I've seen indie shows now where two guys are making

632
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: out in the ring like they're just it's very open.

633
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: Sexuality is very open, fie. Is that how you say

634
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: his name? The Big Gay Brunch or the big gay

635
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: whatever he does? Like, it's very It's very common now

636
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: and it's not. There's no shock value whatsoever when it

637
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: comes to sexuality.

638
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: I think it's the lockup on that show.

639
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: It's the opening lockup on the.

640
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: First Yeah, right, but you know what I mean, Like

641
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: back then, you didn't really see stuff like that. If

642
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: you saw anybody kissing, it was a male and a

643
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: female and that was it. And today it's very common

644
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: and people just you know, especially on INDI's they just

645
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: do whatever the hell they want, incorporate whatever they want.

646
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: So nothing shocks me anymore. But back then that was

647
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: pretty shocking.

648
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 3: This is completely visual for the two of us. I

649
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: know this is an audio podcast. I got to ask

650
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: about that ring. Is that what it always looked like?

651
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 2: There's blood?

652
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: I used to say it was if you want hepatitis

653
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: b ring like. Yeah, it was disgusting. I think most

654
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: of the stains. I don't know if we ever had

655
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: it professionally cleaned, but those stains were blood.

656
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 3: I could see the Yeah you see the brownish you know, blood, Yeah,

657
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: you see that. You could see those are bloodstains. Jerry

658
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: the Jerry Seinfeld joke. If bloodstains on your garments are

659
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 3: your biggest problem, maybe dry cleaning is something you don't

660
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 3: need to worry about.

661
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

662
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how often they got in there with

663
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: the lysol or the that stuffed steam cleaner.

664
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 3: You know you go to shop right and rent the.

665
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: C There were always things out there. Uh yeah, look

666
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: at the.

667
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: Tape there it is.

668
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: Look at the tape because there's holes.

669
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: Two, three, four.

670
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: Four blue duct tape or electrical tape problems.

671
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: And you have to remember too, there's been barbed wire

672
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: in that ring, ripping stuff up. I don't know. You know, Look,

673
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: we didn't have that U W W A E W

674
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: money bank roll to just keep buying new tarp and

675
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: rings and all this stuff. We had to make do.

676
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: That's why we were edgy and gritty and cool. We were, yes,

677
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: we were.

678
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: You know, but if look she was uncomfortable with it,

679
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: their hair drops down and doing things you need to

680
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: roll around.

681
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but still it's just the the image

682
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: I think ship I got it, you know, and you

683
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: can work look, and you can work anything. You can

684
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: work anything when you with your partner out there, you

685
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: can make it, make it look like a million bucks,

686
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: but work it. And that's what they did. So I

687
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: don't think they were tonguing each other like the guys

688
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: in the audience thought they were.

689
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: Damn it.

690
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: Sorry sorry to disappoint you, but I just don't think

691
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: that happened.

692
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: All right, This one holds up because you could slot

693
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: one of these guys on somebody's television and continue the

694
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: angle tonight. Cyrus and Joey styles.

695
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: That whole network angle was just true but brilliant. Like,

696
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, Paul saw what the network, the TNN was

697
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: doing to us, and he just ran with it. It's like,

698
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: what do we have to lose? Are we gonna piss

699
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: them off? Yeah? So what, We're under a contract and

700
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: we have until this day to do something. So we're

701
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: gonna take the ball and we're gonna with it. And

702
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: that's exactly what he did. And I think some of

703
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: Joey's best work was in this angle because he's always

704
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: like the timid little Joey, you know what I mean.

705
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: And here he's got a set of balls and he's

706
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: just standing up to Cyrus and it led to them

707
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: actually fighting at one point. And I love to see

708
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff because he's more than an announcer.

709
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: Joey became one of the He was always one of

710
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: the boys, but he became like a character in an angle,

711
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: not just the play by play guy, the color guy,

712
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: the announcer guy. You know, people were like chanting for

713
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: Joey to beat the shit out of Cyrus, and everybody

714
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: wanted to see that. You could have made a match

715
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: that could have been like an actual pay per view

716
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: match if Joey wanted to do it, and it would

717
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: have been brilliant.

718
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 3: Now he got it super aggressive. It would then lead

719
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: the stuff he did later too. You know, he got

720
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 3: a lot more physical.

721
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, more than an announcer, and

722
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: he became one of, you know, like a character, like

723
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: one of the wrestlers, even though he wasn't a wrestler.

724
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: But you don't have to be a wrestler to be

725
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: a personality in wrestling. Again, Don Callous is a wrestler.

726
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: Don they could have did something and Don could have

727
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: carried him and Joey could have beat the shit out

728
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: of him, and Don would have made Joey look like

729
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: a million bucks. I guarantee you that would have been

730
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: so awesome to see. I mean, we got a little

731
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: snippet and a little taste here and there, but if

732
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: they actually had like a full blown feud pay per match,

733
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: Oh how great would that would have been? It would

734
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: have been excellent. I would have loved to have seen that.

735
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 3: Been nice on the February two thousand and one pay

736
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 3: per view.

737
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: If it ever happened.

738
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, But yeah, on the side, you could pluck

739
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 3: Joey Styles out of where he's at today. And put

740
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: him on AW television and continue it tonight if you

741
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 3: wanted to.

742
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: He is such a lost piece of talent. He should

743
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: still be in the business calling the action.

744
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 2: He'd probably be an AW.

745
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: Maybe, I don't know. I don't know.

746
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 3: Tony Tony would one hundred percent have gone after Joey Styles.

747
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: It's such a locking sock and barrel.

748
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: I spoke to him, I want to say three years ago.

749
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: I had contacted him to come on our show when

750
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: I was up here, and he declined and he said,

751
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm doing nothing with wrestling, and I was just like,

752
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: not even for me, because he always used to tell

753
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: me like you're my favorite, blah blah blah, and he

754
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: was just like, I would love to, but I just

755
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: can't do it. And I don't know if he's afraid

756
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: of that's stupid. What was it the R O H commentary?

757
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: Or it was no? It was uh uh not?

758
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 3: Was it Gabe Sepalski's It wasn't rh.

759
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: It was evolved.

760
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 3: It was one of those little side semi popular ones

761
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: out of like that care liillly area that he made

762
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 3: a comment and they crucified him, and it was so

763
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: ridiculous because he was doing so well on his comeback

764
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: after it was a political like comment and he was

765
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: crucified and it was such that was where you almost

766
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: you almost like got to give him credit for being like,

767
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: you know what, f you, I'm out of here.

768
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: You know you're.

769
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: Gonna treat me like this. I'm never coming back.

770
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: I don't blame him. Yeah, No, there's no blame in it.

771
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: It's just wasted. It's talent that's wasted because he was

772
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: so good at what he did. And I feel like,

773
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: if you, like, if you brought him the wrestle Coon

774
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: this year, oh my god, his line would be out

775
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: the door.

776
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

777
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: And I told him that. I was like, look, you

778
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: should really look into doing some of the bigger cons. Yeah,

779
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: nobody's judging you for anything. There are people who have

780
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: said far worse than him and are still walking around

781
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: with their headheld.

782
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: On getting five hundred dollars a signature.

783
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. I just it irritates me because he's so good

784
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 1: at what he did and he's such a nice guy,

785
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: and I would love to see him back on the circuit,

786
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: but you're never going to see him again.

787
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 3: From a signing point of view, I never made more

788
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 3: in one single day than I did when I worked

789
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 3: at Joey Styles.

790
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: Oh okay, we brought it.

791
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 3: We were We brought him into the arena the first

792
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 3: signing he did after he was released by WWE in

793
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. I've never held that much cash in my

794
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: hand at once.

795
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: Really was it an icons?

796
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: It was the second or third icons up to that point.

797
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 3: I've since held more because I worked with William Shatner.

798
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: But you know Joey, they turned out and droves.

799
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah they again. Yeah, he hasn't been seen in so long.

800
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 3: Such a shame a professional, Like just it's like so

801
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: on top of everything. And again, this is a guy

802
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: who's like, you know what, you're gonna treat me like this,

803
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: I'm out of here, And it's your own fault.

804
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 2: It's for him and that's it. Yeah, stood his ground.

805
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he stands up for what he believes in. And

806
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: I get it. It's just sad on a personal level

807
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: for me because I was such close friends with him

808
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 1: and admired him for his work ethic and what he's

809
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: done for wrestling, and I just feel like it's it's

810
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: such a waste of talent not being used because he's

811
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: wonderful at what he did.

812
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: Agreed sad.

813
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 3: All right, we come to the last one. This isn't

814
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 3: aged poorly. Okay, again I don't think that this should

815
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: be on the list, but again this is their list.

816
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: We will have a quick discussion afterwards for what has

817
00:45:52,000 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 3: been omitted aged poorly Vince McMahon ecwh.

818
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: To here with that. That's not even the thing. This

819
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with ECW.

820
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: Two thousand and seven ECW champion.

821
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: This goes up there with what's his name, David Arquette

822
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: being WCW champion my book, you.

823
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 2: Know what I mean? Why?

824
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: Why did he even need the belt? Does Vince McMahon

825
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: need a belt? No? Absolutely not. No one wants to

826
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: see him as ECW champ. No one wants to see

827
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: him as champion of anything. I know, I don't. I

828
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: just want to see him on Netflix telling his story.

829
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: That's all I want.

830
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 3: I just would like to say that the person who

831
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: put this article together.

832
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: More than likely never watched DCW.

833
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if they did or not, but this

834
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: should not be on the list. Should This should be

835
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: like in the fake ec they have to have a

836
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: composite of the fake ECUB failures. This should be the

837
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: number one failure for the WWE Slash ECW show for

838
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: the three years or whatever.

839
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna read you the first sentence, and this

840
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 3: is why I'm gonna cement that statement right here.

841
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: Yes, you read that right.

842
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 3: The chairman of w W booked himself as ECW's champion

843
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 3: in two thousand and seven, putting him on the same

844
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 3: list as legends like TAZ, Don Morocco and CM Punk.

845
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: The three names synonymous quit the ECW championship. Taz Yes,

846
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: Don Morocco and Cmpunk Don Morocco ECW champion. Of course,

847
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 3: I will not not recognize one of my favorite guys

848
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: of all time.

849
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: But Punk was the fake e C. Dub as well.

850
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like Don Morocco, that's the one guy. Well,

851
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: you're partial.

852
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: You would have put Shane Douglas in that.

853
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: I would have been Where's Man, Where's Raven? Where's Where's

854
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: just giving.

855
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: Me a couple examples.

856
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: He's not the name that came to the list.

857
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: Look, all I know is this man should not have

858
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: a belt around his waist, and it should not be

859
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: an ECW title, and the fake ECB should not be

860
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: associated with the real the original ECW. I hate when

861
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: people make that you know, distinct like it. It's it's

862
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: a different entity. It's not the same company. It's not ECW.

863
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: Matt Cardona always jokes around on online and puts a

864
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: picture of himself up and says, I am an ECW

865
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 1: original And he does it for heat. You know, he's

866
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: not stupid. He knows how to generate heat and stuff.

867
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: And like one time I wrote, I put like the

868
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: side eye. I was like, oh please, you know, the

869
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: side ie. But the fans get so pissed off. Well

870
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: that's not the real ECW and blah blah blah, and

871
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: it's it's just stuff like this is a slap in

872
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: the face, not only to us, but to to just

873
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: the boys. Like why does Vince have to have this

874
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: belt around his waist? What is this doing for his character? Nothing,

875
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: It's just annoying to look at it. He does not

876
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: need a belt, He didn't need it. He draws enough

877
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: heat without it, and he just looks ridiculous. I'm sorry.

878
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: This is worse than the mustache in my opinion.

879
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 3: I know, right, Can you imagine the guy with the

880
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 3: mustache wearing that belt.

881
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 2: With when he's with one of his ladies.

882
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: No, I don't want to imagine that at all. What

883
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like the come one.

884
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: That was ridiculous.

885
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 3: And he was also wearing his do rag because that's

886
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 3: after he lost lost his hair.

887
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: To Donald Trump.

888
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 3: Oh okay, well, okay, obvious, huge, gigantic astronomical omission the halo.

889
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that was a pretty well you know,

890
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: could that stand up in today's business?

891
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: Is that age well or age poor?

892
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: Right?

893
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 2: What do you think I'm gonna say, Well, because of

894
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: the heat you guys got.

895
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: I think with anybody with an injury, somebody attacking the injury,

896
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: you know, gets heat on that person, sympathy for the

897
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: baby face. So yeah, I think it aged twelve. I

898
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: think it would hold up today if somebody did it

899
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. Absolutely, I think honestly. And I'm

900
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: not just saying this because I was involved with it,

901
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: but that angle was one of the heaviest heat seeking

902
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: missile angles that we've ever done. The heat that was

903
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: on Shane and I for that was astronomical. And I

904
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: know we had a lot of heels in the business

905
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: and they drew a lot of heat. But I'm sorry,

906
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,479
Speaker 1: I've never seen people jump the guard and I'm talking

907
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: about an ECW. I've never seen people that try and

908
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: jump the guardrail and attack people like I did that evening.

909
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. So, you know, we drew a

910
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: hell of a lot of heat.

911
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's incredible. Now, how about an age poor? Anything

912
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 3: that can come to mind?

913
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: We gave one age. Well, let's give an age poor.

914
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: Hmmm. God, there's so I mean, seven years worth of

915
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: stuff that I can say I was there for. It's

916
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 1: a lot.

917
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 2: Just trying to think quick.

918
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 3: How about cactus Jack Cut consists constantly bringing up Eric Bischoff.

919
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he was on his way up the door.

920
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: It was kind of like a.

921
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: It was just I thought it got to be a

922
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 2: little too much. It was like, all right, we get it.

923
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's redundant for you.

924
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, okay, you know, he's the guy.

925
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: We don't like him.

926
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 3: It's w CW like W kind of sucks. At that point,

927
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 3: It's like, okay.

928
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: Great, just go just leave. That's the part of your

929
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: character is that you love Eric Bischoff.

930
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: Like he was calling him uncle uncle Eric.

931
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 3: Eric.

932
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and you have heights and you know, I

933
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: guess right.

934
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: Right, I don't know I feel like most of the

935
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: stuff that we did was a hit. We had some misses,

936
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: like obviously, like nobody that's a thousand all the time.

937
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: I think overall, though, if you ask the fans, I

938
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: think they would give us the thumbs up for content.

939
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: And you can definitely go back to whatever you watch

940
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: us on and say this angle is still relevant and

941
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: can be used in twenty twenty four. Most of the

942
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: stuff we did back then you could still pull off today.

943
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: And we get that when we do signings, Shane and

944
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: I always get that from fans, like, man, I don't

945
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: watch the current product. I watch you guys, and it's

946
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: still over in this day and age. So that's a

947
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: testament to just Paul and whoever was in on those

948
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: angles in creative, you know. And we're proud of that.

949
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: So I think overall we aged well as a company.

950
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you can hold it up up

951
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 3: extremely well. When you look at anything past you know,

952
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 3: twenty and fifteen ish, you know, it's gone very corny

953
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,479
Speaker 3: over the last five to six seven years.

954
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: It's some things have there's some cool things that are

955
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: out there now. Don't don't get us.

956
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 2: Shot, don't get me.

957
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I on this sport.

958
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 2: No, no, not at.

959
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: All talking about you know what happened thirty years ago.

960
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: If you can say, man, that's still cool in twenty

961
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: twenty four, then you did something right, you know. So

962
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: it's it's fun to look back and compare and see

963
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: what's hot and what's not. But overall, I do think

964
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: that ECW was a company that did it differently, did

965
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: it well, and could still hold court in this day

966
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: and age.

967
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 3: Well said, all right, well we will wrap that up

968
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 3: for today. If you'd like to catch more of us,

969
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 3: you can head on over to the YouTube channel, where

970
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 3: we've got a plethora of extra content going on.

971
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: I mean, if you haven't.

972
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 3: Caught the the the legendary WWF commercial that fran scene

973
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: starting with one Vincent man.

974
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: I heard they were making it into a movie. Did

975
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 2: you hear about that?

976
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: Who's playing me?

977
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 3: We're still casting for they. I'm a consultant on it.

978
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: Have you heard about it?

979
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: It's me?

980
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: No, I haven't heard about it.

981
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's Jennifer Lawrence might be uh he

982
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 3: brought in.

983
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 2: He's got to play Jesus. So you know, did you

984
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: hear that?

985
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: What? Oh? Yes, that's another that's a whole another episode.

986
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: Poor Taste, don't even start me.

987
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: That did not age well.

988
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 3: So we've got some great content on there, you know,

989
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 3: grab yourself A membership starts at five ninety nine. We've

990
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 3: got full episodes of the iHeartRadio Show. We've also got

991
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 3: some old Patreon content as well as some exclusive content

992
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 3: we've uploaded as well, So you'll be missing out if

993
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 3: you don't head over to YouTube and join the part.

994
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: Hey, if you will, all right, and just plugging My

995
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: Wrestling Universe appearance February tenth from two pm to five

996
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: pm in Queens, New York. I'll be there with the Sandman,

997
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: Todd Gordon RVD, and maybe Just Incredible. I'm still not

998
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: sure if he's gonna be it.

999
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 3: You know what, I just passed it on your timeline.

1000
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 3: Just Incredible is there at the same time as yet.

1001
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: At the same time. Oh good, okay, So the five

1002
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: of us will be in store signing from two to five.

1003
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: So if you're in the Queen's area or can get

1004
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: to the Queen's area, come on down and see us.

1005
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: And if you want to follow me on social media,

1006
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: you can do so at ECW DVA. Francine. I hope

1007
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: you're staying safe. I hope you were staying healthy, and

1008
00:55:44,280 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: most of all, I hope you are staying extreme, bore, bad,