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Speaker 1: NFL Explained is a production of the NFL in partnership

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Speaker 1: with I Heart Radio. All Right. It's a brand new

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Speaker 1: edition of the NFL Explained podcast by Yamlaw with my

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion friend Michael Robinson. Ready to rock and

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Speaker 1: Roll and rob You and I got into a little

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Speaker 1: bit of an argument before we started the show. Millennial.

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Speaker 1: I'm fringe. I kind of want to be gen X

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Speaker 1: because I think there's a there's like a vibe about

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Speaker 1: millennials that like not necessarily like the positive that I

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Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm aligned with. You classify yourself also

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Speaker 1: as French millennial. Yes, yes, we are friends millennials, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm an early eighties baby, Mike. So at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, I remember when we didn't have social media.

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Speaker 1: I remember when we got social media, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: totally addicted to it. So that makes me a fringe,

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Speaker 1: makes us fringe millennial. I'm glad you classified your your

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Speaker 1: non addiction to social media is I'm not totally addicted

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Speaker 1: to it as in because I hang with you sometimes

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Speaker 1: like you're you're on it, so uh, and I know

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Speaker 1: people do that you are you are and people keep

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Speaker 1: dming me questions which by the way, I always brings

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Speaker 1: a smile to my face, and of course keep them

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Speaker 1: coming because there's another bad episode around the corner. I

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Speaker 1: bring up this whole millennial thing because it kind of

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Speaker 1: pertains to what our subject matter is for this episode.

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Speaker 1: But is there like a memory, like something specific from

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Speaker 1: your childhood that just doesn't exist anymore that you wish did?

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Speaker 1: Blockbuster like vhs, LL tapes like bro like that used

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Speaker 1: to be something in my household. We used to go

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Speaker 1: rent movies and guess what, we take it back, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, and go get something else. What

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Speaker 1: a notion, you know I'm saying. I don't think the

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Speaker 1: kids these days, even Julie understand, was like a ritual.

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Speaker 1: It was a thing in my household, and it just

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Speaker 1: let us know that we can stay up late, eat

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Speaker 1: popcorn and all those things. So it kind of I

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Speaker 1: don't know what's set the move for going into the weekend. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was like a big thing on a Friday and

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Speaker 1: my mom would drive me. I used to get to

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Speaker 1: pick the movie, but you know, m rob like there

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Speaker 1: was that cut off time that that needed to be

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Speaker 1: seen and done because we weren't paying the extra late

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Speaker 1: fee like that was exactly not exactly. I bring this

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Speaker 1: up because for as much as we remember and the

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Speaker 1: glory days, because I still classify some of that stuff

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Speaker 1: as glory days. You know, the NFL game has changed

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Speaker 1: as well. In fact, when m Rob, when you and

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Speaker 1: I were listening to our walkman's and our discmand's, running

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Speaker 1: backs were reigning supreme. So today's NFL explained, we are

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Speaker 1: all about the running back position, specifically the decline. And

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Speaker 1: I know I kind of write the decline. Doesn't it

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Speaker 1: feel bad to say we're here dancing and then you

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Speaker 1: say the decline and I'm like, I don't know, We'll

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Speaker 1: see yams. I hear that narrative of a lot, right,

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Speaker 1: But like when you talk to defenders, they're like, man,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather I'd rather go on the pass, Like if

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Speaker 1: don't really want to play against those guys all the time.

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Speaker 1: I think it's maybe NFL offenses involving as well. Well.

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Speaker 1: There is an episode on the evolution of offenses, uh,

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Speaker 1: the evolution of wide receivers. If you've missed any of

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Speaker 1: those episodes, bad job by you, but it's all good.

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Speaker 1: You can make up for. You can check out a

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Speaker 1: couple of those podcasts that M Rob and I did

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Speaker 1: earlier this season. I do think it's important to go

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Speaker 1: through some of the philosophies around the usage of running backs,

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Speaker 1: remember this switch go off in my head around fantasy

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Speaker 1: the production for some of these running backs when I

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Speaker 1: I got a little bit older, So your draft strategy

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Speaker 1: started to change a little bit. Check this out, Emrod.

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Speaker 1: The number of running backs taken in the top ten

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Speaker 1: Nineteen seventies, you had seventeen taken in the top ten.

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Speaker 1: that is just mind boggling. And rob to hear numbers

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Speaker 1: boggling because of how much the running back meant to

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Speaker 1: just so many different factors that come into place when

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Speaker 1: you run in the football games, it's eleven on eleven.

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Speaker 1: to run the football. And it's a physical thing, right

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Speaker 1: and you know, our game is physical. Football is physical.

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Speaker 1: But as we're trying to make the game a little

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Speaker 1: definitely changed, and we'll get into some of those usage numbers,

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Speaker 1: now that go all right, Yams, you went top ten

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Speaker 1: there's also been and I don't know what other words

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Speaker 1: the stage here, seventies there was forty four running backs

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Speaker 1: just phenomenal, man, What a great athlete. What's after Millennials?

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Speaker 1: the young millennials, please YouTube Bo Jackson highlights. Trust me,

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Speaker 1: it'll be worth like the five minutes to go down

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Speaker 1: the rabbit hole. UM. I mentioned sa Kwon Barkley a

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Speaker 1: And when you talk about generational backs like a se

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Speaker 1: You can do anything, you can catch, you can protect

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Speaker 1: like that Tyreek Hill. And what makes to me, what

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Speaker 1: makes him scary is the ability to break tackles. What

427
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Speaker 1: makes running backs scary is your ability to break tackles

428
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Speaker 1: and then go eighty right. And so you look at

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Speaker 1: the San Francisco for the Niners right now, right they

430
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Speaker 1: have Christian McCaffrey. They just got him, and yes, um,

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Speaker 1: what you'll see is him and Deebo Samuel in the

432
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Speaker 1: game at the same time. You'll see Deebo Samuel in

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Speaker 1: the slot push the McCaffrey in the backfield, and you'll

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Speaker 1: see them switch up, sometimes as a shift. Sometimes they

435
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Speaker 1: just break the huddle switch with Deebo Samuel in the

436
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Speaker 1: backfield and Christian McCaffrey in the slot. And Kyle Shanahan's

437
00:21:53,226 --> 00:21:55,706
Speaker 1: mind and in a play caller's mind, it really didn't

438
00:21:55,746 --> 00:21:57,666
Speaker 1: matter which one of those guys get the ball, whether

439
00:21:57,666 --> 00:21:59,786
Speaker 1: it's handing the football, are just throwing it to him.

440
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Speaker 1: You just want to get a guy who can break tackles,

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Speaker 1: who has great contact ballots and a physical fight to

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Speaker 1: bring down. You just want to put the ball in

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Speaker 1: his hands, whether it's in space where there's running the

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Speaker 1: football at the running back position. And yes, I think

445
00:22:14,866 --> 00:22:20,586
Speaker 1: we're we're morphing into that world where running backs, while receivers,

446
00:22:20,626 --> 00:22:23,706
Speaker 1: all of those things are starting to kind of be

447
00:22:23,826 --> 00:22:25,786
Speaker 1: the same guy, so to speak. I still think it's

448
00:22:25,786 --> 00:22:28,506
Speaker 1: gonna always be that role for that guy to dot

449
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Speaker 1: that's gonna, you know, get those dirty two or three

450
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Speaker 1: yards because I don't think a guy like a Deebo

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Speaker 1: Samuel or Tyreek Hill can line up in the eye

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Speaker 1: on a consistent basis right and get a fourth and one,

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Speaker 1: you know, third and four things like that unless a

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Speaker 1: scheme to be that. So I do think it's still

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Speaker 1: gonna be that for running back. But yeah, with the

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Speaker 1: way that offenses are evolving and things are just again

457
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Speaker 1: being more explosive and the balls around the quarterback, the

458
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Speaker 1: quarterback is gonna have to be able to put the

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Speaker 1: ball in these again, these wing back type of guys positions.

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Speaker 1: And again when I say wing back, it's a running

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Speaker 1: back that's has speed and can line up on the

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Speaker 1: outside as why receiver. To me, they're starting to be synonymous.

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Speaker 1: You know, as I'm listening to it reminds me of

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Speaker 1: a conversation we had about defensive players and encourage people

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Speaker 1: to check or listen to that podcast episode because it

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Speaker 1: is kind of like these freakazoid guys who are super long,

467
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Speaker 1: super athletic. I don't want to call it positionless football

468
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Speaker 1: on the defensive side, but it almost is what you're describing.

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Speaker 1: For I don't know how else to characterize it better

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Speaker 1: than that, it almost feels like positionless football for some

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Speaker 1: of these players. Is where you think it goes. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's it's coming because again, the defense is matching up

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Speaker 1: to what they're being presented with from an offensive standpoint,

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Speaker 1: And and I know it was earlier in the season,

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Speaker 1: and I may have to check out some of the staff,

476
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Speaker 1: but I do think there's gonna be a resurgence of

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Speaker 1: the run game because as the defenders are starting to

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Speaker 1: adjust from a body standpoint, right and get small, get

479
00:23:55,826 --> 00:23:59,066
Speaker 1: a little smaller and leaner why not just run isso

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Speaker 1: and leads and just run right at them. It's it's

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00:24:01,466 --> 00:24:03,906
Speaker 1: not pretty football, but it does get the job done.

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00:24:03,946 --> 00:24:07,026
Speaker 1: All right. The running back conversation will continue here and

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Speaker 1: more specifically, and and I think Gen xers and older

484
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Speaker 1: millennials you know what I'm talking about. You know when

485
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Speaker 1: did he I guess he was puffy at that point

486
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Speaker 1: said it's all about the Benjamin's. They're not getting the

487
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Speaker 1: Benjamin's that they used to get. Will explain why that is.

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Speaker 1: That's coming up next on the NFL Explained podcast. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the NFL Explained Podcast. We're talking about the

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Speaker 1: decline of the running backs, and you know it's the

491
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Speaker 1: time of the show, right, you know what I'm talk

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Speaker 1: about the d M S Man here we go. You

493
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Speaker 1: know what's kind of crazy about it. I think people

494
00:24:45,186 --> 00:24:47,706
Speaker 1: started on our team getting annoyed that I was doing it,

495
00:24:47,946 --> 00:24:51,066
Speaker 1: and then they started to realize people have been d

496
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Speaker 1: M and me and I keep throwing out questions and

497
00:24:53,906 --> 00:24:56,546
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh okay, now it's a thing. So if

498
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Speaker 1: you have a question, don't know who to ask, you

499
00:24:58,666 --> 00:25:00,666
Speaker 1: know who that person is. You can slide it to

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Speaker 1: the d M S and Ron's planning, not mine. So

501
00:25:05,506 --> 00:25:07,906
Speaker 1: if have some questions, I promise at some point where

502
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Speaker 1: actually our our team, and our team needs so much

503
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Speaker 1: love and they deserve a lot of love because Lord knows,

504
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Speaker 1: and Rob, you and I couldn't do the show without him.

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Speaker 1: But their work in diligently that we're compiling all the questions,

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Speaker 1: We've got another mail bag episode. Some of the questions

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Speaker 1: were so damn good that we're making full episodes out

508
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Speaker 1: of them. So there's still a lot to come. Send

509
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Speaker 1: us a message on social media that said, you know,

510
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Speaker 1: it's my favorite subject. It makes me sounds really superficial,

511
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Speaker 1: but I don't even care. It's money, man, It's it's

512
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Speaker 1: it is man. It's what makes the world go round,

513
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Speaker 1: no doubt, no doubt. I'm still a renter. So I'm

514
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Speaker 1: trying to get as many of those Benjamin's as I can.

515
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, So cal real estate is

516
00:25:46,946 --> 00:25:50,506
Speaker 1: no joke, man, If money talks, and that is the case,

517
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Speaker 1: because m Rob said it is, and so do I.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important stick a look at some of

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Speaker 1: the dollar figures that running backs are getting. If you

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Speaker 1: look at the average top five players at every position

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00:26:01,146 --> 00:26:05,866
Speaker 1: excluding sorry, I'm rob fullbacks, kickers, punters, and long snappers. Know,

522
00:26:06,466 --> 00:26:10,706
Speaker 1: running back is the second lowest paid position. That is

523
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Speaker 1: wild to me, Centers, centers, centers. So I actually think

524
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Speaker 1: this is kind of messed up, right, Like centers are. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: your facial expression says it all. They're like I get

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00:26:22,106 --> 00:26:23,946
Speaker 1: you know, quarterbacks getting all the money that they are.

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Speaker 1: You know, we talked about wide receivers getting paid. Running

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Speaker 1: Backs are absolutely abused on the football field, right The

529
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Speaker 1: longevity of that position is so hard. But what do

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Speaker 1: you make of that? And by the way, so center

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Speaker 1: at thirteen point two million, running back fourteen point two,

532
00:26:37,906 --> 00:26:41,546
Speaker 1: tight en fourteen point nine, guards sixteen point five, and

533
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Speaker 1: linebacker seventeen million, that's your bottom five. I mean, okay,

534
00:26:45,986 --> 00:26:49,306
Speaker 1: so guard, I'm looking at the offensive line product which

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Speaker 1: you just say to guard makes almost three and a

536
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Speaker 1: half million more on average than the center. At least

537
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Speaker 1: the centers I've come in contact with, yams and the

538
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Speaker 1: centers that I've had experience with in my life, they're

539
00:27:02,066 --> 00:27:05,626
Speaker 1: smarter than the quarterback. More often times they're smarter than

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. Have we seen probably the number one offensive

541
00:27:09,626 --> 00:27:12,866
Speaker 1: line in football right now? The Philadelphia Eagles and who's there?

542
00:27:12,946 --> 00:27:15,266
Speaker 1: Who are they led by? They led by their center

543
00:27:15,306 --> 00:27:19,786
Speaker 1: and Jason Kelsey, he pulls, he does everything. That number

544
00:27:19,866 --> 00:27:22,186
Speaker 1: was shocking to me, even though I should have known it,

545
00:27:22,226 --> 00:27:25,426
Speaker 1: but it was shocking to me. But yeah, um, here's

546
00:27:25,426 --> 00:27:28,866
Speaker 1: the deal. Backs, I get it. They pay us, and

547
00:27:28,906 --> 00:27:31,626
Speaker 1: then it seems like either our production goes down or

548
00:27:31,706 --> 00:27:35,026
Speaker 1: your generational guy like Adrian Peter central on Marshawn let

549
00:27:35,106 --> 00:27:39,106
Speaker 1: you continues to get bigger contracts. I get it, because, Yams,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, most running backs have been playing running

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00:27:42,786 --> 00:27:45,226
Speaker 1: back their entire life. And hear me out here, man,

552
00:27:45,906 --> 00:27:49,226
Speaker 1: so my entire life, I've had eleven guys on the

553
00:27:49,266 --> 00:27:52,066
Speaker 1: other side of the line of scrimmage hitting me or

554
00:27:52,146 --> 00:27:57,626
Speaker 1: trying to hit me for free. Are free? Okay? And

555
00:27:57,666 --> 00:28:01,546
Speaker 1: I finally got an opportunity to break the bag. Okay,

556
00:28:01,706 --> 00:28:03,986
Speaker 1: I finally get an opportunity to break the back. I

557
00:28:04,026 --> 00:28:08,626
Speaker 1: think it's human nature for most people to just exhale,

558
00:28:08,986 --> 00:28:10,906
Speaker 1: and I think that's what you see with most backs.

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00:28:11,426 --> 00:28:14,666
Speaker 1: I think they run for the money, right, and then

560
00:28:14,706 --> 00:28:17,786
Speaker 1: when they look in their bank account and they see

561
00:28:17,986 --> 00:28:22,346
Speaker 1: the zeros, it's hard to continue to take that punishment

562
00:28:22,386 --> 00:28:26,146
Speaker 1: over sustained period of time. Again, unless you're a generational guy,

563
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Speaker 1: unless you're doing it for other reasons, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: do that. And I think, just subconsciously, I think that's

565
00:28:32,426 --> 00:28:35,586
Speaker 1: why play usually slacks off after the running back gets paid. Okay,

566
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Speaker 1: So it doesn't make sense then that GM's are paying

567
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Speaker 1: them a little bit less because there's the business side

568
00:28:40,626 --> 00:28:43,066
Speaker 1: of it, right, I guess. So it's I guess the

569
00:28:43,106 --> 00:28:45,426
Speaker 1: business side of it. I guess. For me, just knowing

570
00:28:45,786 --> 00:28:48,466
Speaker 1: and seeing a lot of the backs on our league,

571
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Speaker 1: I just think we got a lot of talented guys. Man,

572
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Speaker 1: I just think we got a lot of diverse and

573
00:28:52,626 --> 00:28:55,746
Speaker 1: talented guys in our league. Just that sometimes scheme doesn't

574
00:28:55,746 --> 00:28:58,386
Speaker 1: always show off their talents all all the way. But

575
00:28:58,466 --> 00:29:02,026
Speaker 1: you are. You are a scheme guy though generally, and

576
00:29:02,106 --> 00:29:05,426
Speaker 1: like that sometimes can be a recipe for success. We've

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Speaker 1: seen over the decades certain running backs have a lot

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00:29:09,826 --> 00:29:12,986
Speaker 1: of success in one type of offense, go to another

579
00:29:13,026 --> 00:29:17,186
Speaker 1: team and they don't have nearly the same type of productions.

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00:29:17,506 --> 00:29:21,666
Speaker 1: I think that's a Quarterbacks do that too, and they

581
00:29:21,786 --> 00:29:25,626
Speaker 1: still get paid them money even when we I mean

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Speaker 1: Russell's they were gonna be in Denver next year and

583
00:29:29,506 --> 00:29:32,346
Speaker 1: again scheme change may not have been the best thing

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Speaker 1: for him. Do you think you said just like I

585
00:29:42,066 --> 00:29:44,706
Speaker 1: see it? That's all. But but I'm just saying for

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Speaker 1: other positions, scheme don't Oh you know what I'm saying

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00:29:48,466 --> 00:29:51,026
Speaker 1: to scheme that that scheme narrative been no always used

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00:29:51,026 --> 00:29:53,026
Speaker 1: to not pay them. I don't know why it's always

589
00:29:53,146 --> 00:29:56,146
Speaker 1: used with the running back position. Okay, that makes me

590
00:29:56,186 --> 00:29:59,186
Speaker 1: think about quarterbacks. And by the way, we did an

591
00:29:59,226 --> 00:30:02,946
Speaker 1: episode on this check that out. Have I ever promoted

592
00:30:03,026 --> 00:30:05,626
Speaker 1: more of our other previous shows in a show but

593
00:30:05,826 --> 00:30:08,826
Speaker 1: for I'm getting a lot of like head non nos,

594
00:30:08,946 --> 00:30:11,426
Speaker 1: but their loving it, so uh, check out some of

595
00:30:11,426 --> 00:30:14,186
Speaker 1: those episodes and if they'll explain podcast. Um. I started

596
00:30:14,186 --> 00:30:17,666
Speaker 1: thinking about the quarterback position, specifically quarterbacks who are mobile enough, right,

597
00:30:17,666 --> 00:30:20,466
Speaker 1: so Lamar Jackson certainly comes to mind. I think the

598
00:30:20,586 --> 00:30:24,106
Speaker 1: Ravens are a good sort of test case here. The Ravens.

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00:30:24,146 --> 00:30:26,146
Speaker 1: We think about them is run first, clearly. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at some of the numbers here. Top ten rushing teams

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Speaker 1: all time in the Super Bowl era Number one, twenty

602
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Speaker 1: nineteen Baltimore Ravens, who rushed for three thousand, two hundred

603
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Speaker 1: nineties six yards They're also number four on the list,

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Speaker 1: this Ravens team, with seven teams being from the nineteen

605
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Speaker 1: seventies and one being from the nineteen eighties. Like this

606
00:30:46,586 --> 00:30:49,426
Speaker 1: is wild to me. Those Ravens squads. By the way

607
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Speaker 1: that I just made reference to the nineteen ones, how

608
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Speaker 1: about fourteen and two and eleven and five. Those were

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Speaker 1: their records here the ground and pound. Yeah, there's still

610
00:30:58,186 --> 00:30:59,746
Speaker 1: something to be said there. And I'll take it even

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00:30:59,746 --> 00:31:02,906
Speaker 1: a step further. M Rob. You might think it's one dimensional,

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00:31:02,946 --> 00:31:05,066
Speaker 1: it's only the run game. How about this though that

613
00:31:05,106 --> 00:31:07,946
Speaker 1: didn't even match up. The total yardage only accounted for

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00:31:07,986 --> 00:31:11,506
Speaker 1: fifty of their total offense, So we are still talking

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Speaker 1: about a little bit of a balanced team here. Can't

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Speaker 1: talk about those Ravens without mentioning, Yes, of course Lamar

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Speaker 1: and his running ability over twelve hundred yards on that

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen team. Over the course of fifteen years, the

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Speaker 1: amount of design runs for quarterbacks has increased more than

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Speaker 1: one and a half times, from one thousand, four hundred

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Speaker 1: eighty two in two thousand six to over two hundred

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Speaker 1: one yardage gained by quarterbacks on the ground. That numbers

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Speaker 1: increased twofold just about fifty three hundred yards to over

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Speaker 1: ten thousand yards in that same exact span. So can

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Speaker 1: the quarterback in your mind, m rob And I know

626
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at like a Bill's helmet in the background,

627
00:31:52,506 --> 00:31:55,666
Speaker 1: So you know, orm this one dude that I'm thinking about. Yeah,

628
00:31:55,466 --> 00:31:58,186
Speaker 1: uh in Josh Allen. But can those running quarterbacks can

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Speaker 1: they make up for some of the deficiencies that you're

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Speaker 1: seeing in terms of running backs who aren't producing at

631
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Speaker 1: a super high level. Absolutely, those quarterbacks also make up

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Speaker 1: for bad coaching. But I'll say this. You know how

633
00:32:09,426 --> 00:32:13,866
Speaker 1: I classified movement quarterbacks, right. You have runners with passing ability.

634
00:32:14,106 --> 00:32:17,306
Speaker 1: Those are Lamar Jackson's. Those are the Jalen Hurts. That

635
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Speaker 1: was who Michael Robinson was and I'm still waiting for

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Speaker 1: one of those guys to win a Super Bowl again.

637
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Speaker 1: Runners with passing ability, now, you have passers with movement ability.

638
00:32:31,226 --> 00:32:33,426
Speaker 1: Those are the Russell Wilson's. Those the Steve Young's of

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Speaker 1: the world like that. You see what I'm saying, Patrick

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00:32:36,386 --> 00:32:39,426
Speaker 1: Mahomes guys like that, even even Josh Allen, Because I

641
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Speaker 1: don't think Josh Allen's a runner. I think he has

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Speaker 1: a He's big, strong, and he has the ability to

643
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Speaker 1: run you over. Is that like Cam Newton? Yes, like

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Speaker 1: Cam new To me, Cam Newton was a runner and

645
00:32:50,546 --> 00:32:53,466
Speaker 1: he ran like that, right, he ran powerful. He ran

646
00:32:53,546 --> 00:32:57,386
Speaker 1: by lowering his shoulder, and lowering that shoulder got his

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Speaker 1: a c joint or got his shoulder to a point

648
00:32:59,266 --> 00:33:01,826
Speaker 1: where he's not throwing the football where you want it.

649
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Speaker 1: I think that's why you're gonna see um. You know,

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00:33:04,666 --> 00:33:07,106
Speaker 1: I think Jayalen Hurts got nicked up. We could saw

651
00:33:07,146 --> 00:33:09,826
Speaker 1: a goal or whatever whatever. And they're being cautious about

652
00:33:09,826 --> 00:33:12,986
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles because he's a runner, and when you

653
00:33:13,026 --> 00:33:16,106
Speaker 1: have a runner at the quarterback position, it can affect

654
00:33:16,146 --> 00:33:20,466
Speaker 1: the throwing. I'm good with my quarterback being a runner.

655
00:33:20,986 --> 00:33:23,106
Speaker 1: I still have to be proven, right, I still gotta

656
00:33:23,106 --> 00:33:25,306
Speaker 1: see one of those guys when win a Super Bowl.

657
00:33:25,306 --> 00:33:27,866
Speaker 1: But I'm good with my quarterback being a runner as

658
00:33:27,906 --> 00:33:30,586
Speaker 1: long as he's a smart runner, as long as we

659
00:33:30,666 --> 00:33:35,946
Speaker 1: can limit the designated call quarterback runs where he actually

660
00:33:35,986 --> 00:33:37,866
Speaker 1: has to take a bunch of punishment. If we can

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00:33:37,986 --> 00:33:40,426
Speaker 1: call a quarterback run, I'm calling a sweep where he

662
00:33:40,466 --> 00:33:42,746
Speaker 1: can kind of get out of bounds and protect him

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Speaker 1: from himself. So yeah, the running quarterback is here to stay.

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Speaker 1: The running offense for a quarterback is here to stay.

665
00:33:50,146 --> 00:33:52,066
Speaker 1: But we gotta see these guys win the Super Bowl

666
00:33:52,066 --> 00:33:55,346
Speaker 1: before I think we can call it super legitimate and look,

667
00:33:55,346 --> 00:33:57,466
Speaker 1: it might happen. It might be a Philadelphia Eagles team

668
00:33:57,466 --> 00:33:59,466
Speaker 1: at Jalen Hurtson together on the short list of teams

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Speaker 1: that could go and do it all right, Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the NFL Explained podcasts. Mike Yam and Rob with

671
00:34:11,186 --> 00:34:13,346
Speaker 1: you and Rob, you told me earlier you're a big

672
00:34:13,386 --> 00:34:17,146
Speaker 1: scheme guy. I started thinking about players who are versatile enough.

673
00:34:17,386 --> 00:34:20,226
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel certainly comes to my Tyreek Hill. You mentioned

674
00:34:20,306 --> 00:34:23,786
Speaker 1: jet sweeps. Sometimes we're seeing these wide outs and how

675
00:34:23,786 --> 00:34:26,546
Speaker 1: they're used. I think the best example is Debo because

676
00:34:26,586 --> 00:34:28,986
Speaker 1: there's almost been a concerted effort to have him at

677
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Speaker 1: times in that backfield and lineup as a running back.

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Speaker 1: I think with Tyreek gets more of emotion thing. Sometimes

679
00:34:35,266 --> 00:34:38,066
Speaker 1: you'll even see a tight end be in those situations

680
00:34:38,106 --> 00:34:40,986
Speaker 1: as well. Just from a number standpoint, here in the

681
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Speaker 1: two thousand season, we actually saw wide outs carry the

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Speaker 1: ball two hundred and fifteen times, and that numbers actually

683
00:34:47,826 --> 00:34:51,946
Speaker 1: increased to four hundred and thirty three one. Like I

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00:34:51,946 --> 00:34:53,786
Speaker 1: I saw that number and I did a double take

685
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Speaker 1: at it. The yardage for wide receivers as runners have

686
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Speaker 1: gone from basically fourteen hundreds to almost twenty seven hundred.

687
00:35:00,826 --> 00:35:03,266
Speaker 1: That's almost two times the same amount there, So why

688
00:35:03,306 --> 00:35:05,986
Speaker 1: dots huge weapons? We did that episode about a ution

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Speaker 1: to the wide receiver spot. I mentioned position list football

690
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Speaker 1: and Rob ten years from now, twenty years from now,

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Speaker 1: is that what we're gonna be talking about in the NFL,

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00:35:13,826 --> 00:35:16,746
Speaker 1: where you're not really a running back per se, You're

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Speaker 1: not necessarily a wide receiver. You're just a dude who's

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Speaker 1: an athlete and you can get out into space and

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Speaker 1: make things happen. You're an offensive weapon. You're an offensive weapon.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. You can carry the football, you can

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Speaker 1: catch you out of backfield. You just guys. I remember

698
00:35:30,906 --> 00:35:33,746
Speaker 1: when I first started getting really into the National Football League,

699
00:35:33,786 --> 00:35:36,666
Speaker 1: my rookie year and learning defenses and learning some of

700
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Speaker 1: these blitz packages, and I remember our offensive coordinator, I

701
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Speaker 1: think it was no Alterno at the time, he said,

702
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Speaker 1: I know this guy's a got a fifty number, but

703
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Speaker 1: his body type, at some point he's gonna run to

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Speaker 1: the safety. Forget about their numbers. They're all excess when

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Speaker 1: he blitzes he's four weeks forget that he is wearing

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Speaker 1: a cornerbacks number. They don't matter. They're all excess. And

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00:36:00,946 --> 00:36:04,066
Speaker 1: I think what's happening is or what's coming to the

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Speaker 1: National Football League defenses are now I'm gonna start to

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00:36:06,466 --> 00:36:09,186
Speaker 1: look at offenses and say the exact same thing. Okay,

710
00:36:09,226 --> 00:36:12,186
Speaker 1: you got the five guys blocking, and you got the quarterback.

711
00:36:12,506 --> 00:36:15,946
Speaker 1: Everybody else or exits, it doesn't matter. And now you're

712
00:36:15,986 --> 00:36:19,586
Speaker 1: starting to talk about stem and things like that. You

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00:36:19,626 --> 00:36:25,826
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying and defend concepts not necessarily individual players. Yes, Yams,

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Speaker 1: I think it's coming. And wait until we get to

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Speaker 1: the platoon system at quarterback. Josh Allen even said that

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Speaker 1: on his one on one sitting down with me a

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00:36:32,746 --> 00:36:35,386
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, talking about the platoon system at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I do think that is coming based off of the

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00:36:37,826 --> 00:36:39,946
Speaker 1: amount of money those guys are making. You think you're

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Speaker 1: telling me Josh Allen's gonna step off the field. Hell,

721
00:36:42,866 --> 00:36:47,026
Speaker 1: he said, he's not man not someone else might do that.

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Speaker 1: He was talking about the future. He was like, yeah,

723
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Speaker 1: maybe the future after I'm you know, from here, maybe

724
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Speaker 1: they're bringing two guys to kind of do what I do.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine MCDA saying, hey, Josh, like you said,

726
00:36:57,946 --> 00:37:00,666
Speaker 1: be like, hell though, I'm not coming off, that's just

727
00:37:00,666 --> 00:37:03,786
Speaker 1: stocking out. That has me thinking here about winning the

728
00:37:03,826 --> 00:37:07,106
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, winning the Chef. I look and maybe I'm

729
00:37:07,106 --> 00:37:08,586
Speaker 1: saving the best for the last year, and maybe we

730
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Speaker 1: shouldn't have stacked the podcast this wik But I saw

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Speaker 1: some of these numbers and I'm like, you gotta be

732
00:37:13,826 --> 00:37:16,146
Speaker 1: kidding me. This is wild. I just want to put

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Speaker 1: some of this stuff in context for some of our

734
00:37:18,186 --> 00:37:21,626
Speaker 1: listeners here, because I think about traditional football, right, it's

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00:37:21,666 --> 00:37:23,706
Speaker 1: it's run the ball and play defense, and that's what's

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Speaker 1: gonna win. I don't know if you can make that

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00:37:26,546 --> 00:37:29,906
Speaker 1: case anymore that that's how things are moving. We took

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Speaker 1: a look at the last ten Super Bowl champions. Leading

739
00:37:32,226 --> 00:37:36,866
Speaker 1: Russia on those teams finished on average eighteen one eight

740
00:37:37,146 --> 00:37:40,546
Speaker 1: eighteenth in the league in yards. Some of the notables

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Speaker 1: on the list chiefs leading Russia in twenty nineteen Dammian Williams,

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00:37:44,346 --> 00:37:49,146
Speaker 1: dude finish thirty nine in yards. But see, okay, you're

743
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Speaker 1: saying I get I get what you're saying, But isn't

744
00:37:52,626 --> 00:37:56,386
Speaker 1: that kind of that's kind of leading right, because I

745
00:37:56,426 --> 00:37:59,546
Speaker 1: would like to see his yards per rush and his

746
00:37:59,666 --> 00:38:02,986
Speaker 1: impact in the playoffs that year, because he was awesome

747
00:38:03,026 --> 00:38:05,466
Speaker 1: in the playoffs that year. But when you talk about

748
00:38:05,466 --> 00:38:08,626
Speaker 1: a whole Kansas City office, they don't use running best

749
00:38:08,706 --> 00:38:11,666
Speaker 1: like that exactly. I don't disagree with you, but it

750
00:38:11,706 --> 00:38:16,266
Speaker 1: speaks to how you can still win at times or

751
00:38:16,306 --> 00:38:19,866
Speaker 1: even get to the super Bowl and not half your

752
00:38:19,906 --> 00:38:22,146
Speaker 1: We're breaking tradition is really what I'm what I'm trying

753
00:38:22,186 --> 00:38:24,306
Speaker 1: to say here, you don't need the dude who's like,

754
00:38:24,426 --> 00:38:25,946
Speaker 1: you know, the guy who's going to run for two

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00:38:25,946 --> 00:38:29,906
Speaker 1: thousand yards. I mean, it's nice, but like those days,

756
00:38:30,066 --> 00:38:32,426
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, huge totals

757
00:38:32,466 --> 00:38:33,946
Speaker 1: and now you get to a thousand, you're feeling really

758
00:38:33,986 --> 00:38:36,586
Speaker 1: good about yourself and you're pumping up your chest here.

759
00:38:36,826 --> 00:38:39,946
Speaker 1: But I'll give you some other examples here Patriots leading rusher,

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Speaker 1: and I know that this sort of speaks to what

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00:38:41,746 --> 00:38:46,706
Speaker 1: you're describing that super Bowl team, Jonas Gray. What finished

762
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Speaker 1: top running back on a Super Bowl team in the

763
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Speaker 1: last ten years was mars Shawn Lynch, who finished sixth

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Speaker 1: in yards. So once again and Yams and I can

765
00:39:02,426 --> 00:39:06,706
Speaker 1: tell you there were three maybe four games. Well, he said,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to play the fourth court. I already

767
00:39:08,426 --> 00:39:10,706
Speaker 1: got a hunt of yards. I want Robert Turbin to

768
00:39:10,746 --> 00:39:12,986
Speaker 1: get some money. That's what he was saying. I don't

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00:39:13,026 --> 00:39:14,306
Speaker 1: even want it. I don't even want to do it.

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00:39:14,706 --> 00:39:17,786
Speaker 1: Like he was in the vein of like Chuck Munsey man,

771
00:39:18,026 --> 00:39:21,586
Speaker 1: like this is just a just a tough dude, right,

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00:39:21,706 --> 00:39:24,386
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, chared about everybody, all those things. Man,

773
00:39:24,386 --> 00:39:26,066
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know what's a joy to be

774
00:39:26,146 --> 00:39:28,706
Speaker 1: around beast mode. And you know, running backs have a

775
00:39:28,706 --> 00:39:32,306
Speaker 1: certain attitude to all of them, all of them yams.

776
00:39:32,666 --> 00:39:36,506
Speaker 1: Now that's changing because again you're seeing the position characteristics change.

777
00:39:36,946 --> 00:39:41,026
Speaker 1: But most times they're walking around slow, but they will

778
00:39:41,106 --> 00:39:43,746
Speaker 1: run fast and run you over. Know what I'm saying.

779
00:39:43,786 --> 00:39:46,426
Speaker 1: That's usually how they are. Okay, I love this because

780
00:39:46,426 --> 00:39:48,386
Speaker 1: I don't think you'll get this on any other podcast.

781
00:39:48,586 --> 00:39:52,506
Speaker 1: I think position groups have different reputations of how they are.

782
00:39:52,906 --> 00:39:55,906
Speaker 1: I've never thought about the reputation for a running back

783
00:39:56,386 --> 00:39:58,626
Speaker 1: in general, so can you. And look, this is a

784
00:39:58,666 --> 00:40:03,306
Speaker 1: complete generalization here, but yeah, throw out the castle wide

785
00:40:03,346 --> 00:40:06,826
Speaker 1: net for me, yams, yams general real least speaking again,

786
00:40:06,826 --> 00:40:10,986
Speaker 1: I've been we talked all podcasts. It's running backs. Eleven guys.

787
00:40:11,026 --> 00:40:12,746
Speaker 1: When I get the football at six five or six

788
00:40:13,026 --> 00:40:15,866
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage, eleven guys are coming after me. Right,

789
00:40:16,226 --> 00:40:18,746
Speaker 1: So when I'm not working, when I'm not getting hit

790
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Speaker 1: by all of these guys, and I'm not getting scarred

791
00:40:21,346 --> 00:40:23,746
Speaker 1: up and scratched. Every shower where you take after a

792
00:40:23,866 --> 00:40:27,186
Speaker 1: game is like a bunch of them paper cuts all

793
00:40:27,186 --> 00:40:29,906
Speaker 1: over your body, you know what I'm saying. Like when

794
00:40:29,946 --> 00:40:32,306
Speaker 1: you when you just chilling in everyday life. Yeah, man,

795
00:40:32,346 --> 00:40:36,106
Speaker 1: you walk as slow, You're taking your time. You observe me,

796
00:40:36,386 --> 00:40:38,226
Speaker 1: You're just like, oh, it feels good not to have

797
00:40:38,386 --> 00:40:41,106
Speaker 1: bodies around me. I mean honestly, and I think it's

798
00:40:41,106 --> 00:40:44,226
Speaker 1: a subconscious thing. But all the guys I've been around

799
00:40:44,306 --> 00:40:47,546
Speaker 1: seeing to kind of be that way hanging around Shady

800
00:40:47,626 --> 00:40:50,626
Speaker 1: McCoy like he's a jitterbug as far as running the

801
00:40:50,626 --> 00:40:52,786
Speaker 1: football on the field, and he talked, you know what

802
00:40:52,786 --> 00:40:54,226
Speaker 1: I'm saying, got a lot of energy there, But what

803
00:40:54,266 --> 00:40:57,106
Speaker 1: are you walking around hanging out? Man? Yeah, it's a

804
00:40:57,106 --> 00:41:00,546
Speaker 1: little bit slow moving a getting broad strokes were speaking. Obviously,

805
00:41:00,586 --> 00:41:03,866
Speaker 1: there's some there's some you know, individualistic things about it,

806
00:41:03,906 --> 00:41:07,146
Speaker 1: but a broad stroke speaking, there's some general characteristics about

807
00:41:07,186 --> 00:41:10,346
Speaker 1: every position group. It makes sense to me. Um, look,

808
00:41:10,346 --> 00:41:12,346
Speaker 1: before we wrap things up here, I got two things

809
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Speaker 1: for you. One a number for you. Last three Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl winners, the Rams, the Bucks, the Chiefs have finished

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Speaker 1: tied for and twenty three, respectively in rushing yards. So

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00:41:23,346 --> 00:41:26,586
Speaker 1: that's one. That's the fact which leads me to number two. Here,

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Speaker 1: are we going to continue to talk about the running

814
00:41:30,066 --> 00:41:34,066
Speaker 1: back spot being a dying breed? I'll let you put

815
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Speaker 1: a bow on this conversation, Yes, just because I don't

816
00:41:37,506 --> 00:41:39,346
Speaker 1: know if the English language has the words that we

817
00:41:39,386 --> 00:41:41,386
Speaker 1: should be using. I don't want to say dying and

818
00:41:41,426 --> 00:41:44,586
Speaker 1: stuff like that of running back position. But it is changing.

819
00:41:44,826 --> 00:41:48,746
Speaker 1: It's evolving, Um, football, the game of football is evolving.

820
00:41:49,746 --> 00:41:53,226
Speaker 1: Yeahs Earlier this year I did the World Cup final

821
00:41:53,466 --> 00:41:56,706
Speaker 1: for flag football. That's the thing. You loved him saying, yeah,

822
00:41:56,946 --> 00:41:59,026
Speaker 1: it was awesome, Like it was awesome, right, you know

823
00:41:59,106 --> 00:42:01,466
Speaker 1: what I mean? Totally different skill sets gotta come into play.

824
00:42:01,546 --> 00:42:04,346
Speaker 1: We're talking about getting that in the Olympics. So football

825
00:42:04,546 --> 00:42:08,346
Speaker 1: is evolving and our tackle football version of it, and

826
00:42:08,386 --> 00:42:12,586
Speaker 1: our tackle football is evolving as well as offenses continue

827
00:42:12,626 --> 00:42:15,306
Speaker 1: to evolve. You're good, Yes, you're going to see the

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00:42:15,386 --> 00:42:19,946
Speaker 1: running back position change. Now. To me, there's gonna always

829
00:42:19,986 --> 00:42:22,786
Speaker 1: be a room for a generational back. And if you've

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00:42:22,786 --> 00:42:26,146
Speaker 1: got a generational back who has the long speed to

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Speaker 1: go a d he has hands, short arms. That's a

832
00:42:29,306 --> 00:42:32,226
Speaker 1: characteristic of some running backs. Short arms because they can

833
00:42:32,266 --> 00:42:34,226
Speaker 1: hold a football sip when they fall and they put

834
00:42:34,266 --> 00:42:36,386
Speaker 1: that arm out to brace themselves. It's not a lot

835
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Speaker 1: of space for the fumble to happen. That's a little

836
00:42:38,106 --> 00:42:40,306
Speaker 1: technical for you guys, but it's the truth. If you

837
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Speaker 1: get one of those guys, you gotta take them. You

838
00:42:42,386 --> 00:42:44,066
Speaker 1: gotta put them in the dot behind the quarterback, and

839
00:42:44,106 --> 00:42:46,346
Speaker 1: you gotta hand him to football and say come tackle him.

840
00:42:46,666 --> 00:42:49,146
Speaker 1: That's just the way it is. I only feel bad

841
00:42:49,186 --> 00:42:51,506
Speaker 1: for those guys because I know when they get into

842
00:42:51,546 --> 00:42:54,546
Speaker 1: the National Football League, unless you have the right mentality

843
00:42:54,546 --> 00:42:56,826
Speaker 1: of you know, up top up in your head. Because

844
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Speaker 1: I talked to the Asian Peterson's in the Marshawn Lynches,

845
00:42:59,506 --> 00:43:03,026
Speaker 1: your play will slip it. Just will you just hope

846
00:43:03,066 --> 00:43:05,666
Speaker 1: that the right generational back of whoever that may be

847
00:43:05,746 --> 00:43:07,106
Speaker 1: you the next time we see him. I think Sae

848
00:43:07,146 --> 00:43:09,506
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley is our next one. I think Tom will

849
00:43:09,546 --> 00:43:11,626
Speaker 1: continue to tell that. But whoever, I think it will

850
00:43:11,666 --> 00:43:14,506
Speaker 1: always be space for the generational back. Okay, if you're

851
00:43:14,506 --> 00:43:17,026
Speaker 1: gonna tell our listeners, because what I've noticed from some

852
00:43:17,066 --> 00:43:19,986
Speaker 1: of the d ms that we're getting is a lot

853
00:43:20,026 --> 00:43:23,746
Speaker 1: of new fans, a lot of fans who maybe are

854
00:43:23,826 --> 00:43:26,586
Speaker 1: are just getting exposed to the NFL. If you had

855
00:43:26,586 --> 00:43:29,146
Speaker 1: to give advice and said, hey, go on YouTube and

856
00:43:29,186 --> 00:43:31,546
Speaker 1: watch this one running back, the best dude I've ever

857
00:43:31,546 --> 00:43:35,466
Speaker 1: seen run? Who's that guy? That's a good one, because

858
00:43:35,466 --> 00:43:38,026
Speaker 1: they all got a little little different, you know what

859
00:43:38,026 --> 00:43:41,986
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and all a little different, and um, I

860
00:43:42,026 --> 00:43:44,226
Speaker 1: look at um Jim Brown. I think Jim Brown could

861
00:43:44,226 --> 00:43:46,546
Speaker 1: have played in any error. I know when you watch

862
00:43:46,666 --> 00:43:49,466
Speaker 1: the highlights of Jim Brown, you're looking like he won't

863
00:43:49,506 --> 00:43:53,226
Speaker 1: playing against anybody. Oh my goodness. But I believe he's

864
00:43:53,266 --> 00:43:56,506
Speaker 1: one of those guys that obviously were we lift weights

865
00:43:56,506 --> 00:43:59,106
Speaker 1: and our monorn medicine whatever. If he was coming along

866
00:43:59,146 --> 00:44:00,866
Speaker 1: that track, he would have been the same type of guy.

867
00:44:01,186 --> 00:44:05,106
Speaker 1: I would tell young people watch Adrian Peterson, watch his

868
00:44:05,226 --> 00:44:07,586
Speaker 1: desire once he gets the football. I don't I just

869
00:44:07,626 --> 00:44:09,626
Speaker 1: don't know if there's been a guy wired like that,

870
00:44:09,786 --> 00:44:12,306
Speaker 1: I need you to watch Beast Mode. Obviously, Um, he's

871
00:44:12,346 --> 00:44:16,066
Speaker 1: still a relevant guy. Earl Campbell. Um. Just the physicality

872
00:44:16,066 --> 00:44:18,146
Speaker 1: of the way that he ran the football. I don't

873
00:44:18,226 --> 00:44:22,866
Speaker 1: necessarily recommend you trying to run the football like Earl Campbell,

874
00:44:22,906 --> 00:44:25,786
Speaker 1: but what I'm saying is just the physicality and the

875
00:44:25,826 --> 00:44:28,586
Speaker 1: confidence running towards the line of scrimmage. And my all

876
00:44:28,666 --> 00:44:32,066
Speaker 1: time favorite because that's just the error I grew up

877
00:44:32,066 --> 00:44:36,906
Speaker 1: in Barry Sanders. People didn't I didn't look at Barry

878
00:44:36,906 --> 00:44:40,026
Speaker 1: Sanders as being this powerful guy. He was a jitterbug.

879
00:44:40,066 --> 00:44:42,226
Speaker 1: He you know, you got all these highlight runs and

880
00:44:42,266 --> 00:44:46,266
Speaker 1: making people miss. But the guy'sties are like thirty inch stisman.

881
00:44:46,466 --> 00:44:48,386
Speaker 1: Like if you ever stood next to Barry, which I've

882
00:44:48,386 --> 00:44:52,186
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to do, he's not a small Guy's short,

883
00:44:52,226 --> 00:44:54,986
Speaker 1: but he's not a small guy. He ran with power

884
00:44:55,066 --> 00:44:58,106
Speaker 1: at times. You watch those facts and I think you'll

885
00:44:58,106 --> 00:45:00,546
Speaker 1: get a really, really, really good understanding of what a

886
00:45:00,586 --> 00:45:03,186
Speaker 1: generational back when an all time running back looks like

887
00:45:03,226 --> 00:45:06,346
Speaker 1: oh and for eyes from for vision, look a Frank Gore.

888
00:45:06,546 --> 00:45:08,506
Speaker 1: That's not a selfish plug because I blocked for him.

889
00:45:08,746 --> 00:45:10,706
Speaker 1: But I think he's had the best eyes of any

890
00:45:10,746 --> 00:45:13,066
Speaker 1: running back in all the football. I'm surprised he didn't

891
00:45:13,066 --> 00:45:17,306
Speaker 1: bring up that. Ma Well. I think that's part of it.

892
00:45:17,306 --> 00:45:19,026
Speaker 1: And I don't want to take anything from Ny because

893
00:45:19,026 --> 00:45:20,746
Speaker 1: the player as long as he played and to do

894
00:45:20,826 --> 00:45:22,906
Speaker 1: what he had to do. Obviously it takes a lot.

895
00:45:23,226 --> 00:45:26,386
Speaker 1: But I played with Larry Allen, Yams and Larry Allen.

896
00:45:26,666 --> 00:45:30,266
Speaker 1: He drove around in a bentley. He spent there in sunflowers.

897
00:45:30,306 --> 00:45:34,746
Speaker 1: He's on the floor, rolled around the bent league, he

898
00:45:34,826 --> 00:45:37,826
Speaker 1: spent the dip and then when I asked him for

899
00:45:37,866 --> 00:45:41,106
Speaker 1: a ride home one time, he laughed and said be careful.

900
00:45:41,146 --> 00:45:45,026
Speaker 1: When I stepped in there, it crunched. Oh my god, Okay,

901
00:45:45,106 --> 00:45:48,026
Speaker 1: that's Larry Allen. I watched we went up to Seattle

902
00:45:48,066 --> 00:45:50,186
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six. I watched Frank Gold run

903
00:45:50,226 --> 00:45:52,746
Speaker 1: for almost two hundred yards and all we did was

904
00:45:52,826 --> 00:45:57,346
Speaker 1: run one play power Larry's pulling. Larry wipes out in

905
00:45:57,426 --> 00:46:00,906
Speaker 1: an entire side of a defense. And this was like

906
00:46:01,786 --> 00:46:04,826
Speaker 1: second to the last year of him retiring. That was

907
00:46:04,906 --> 00:46:07,586
Speaker 1: Larry Allen. They had a couple other guys on that

908
00:46:07,706 --> 00:46:10,786
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboy offense of Lionie Newton and some other guy.

909
00:46:11,346 --> 00:46:14,706
Speaker 1: So it's hard for me knowing that that guy was

910
00:46:14,826 --> 00:46:17,626
Speaker 1: right there in his prime. He used to tell me

911
00:46:17,746 --> 00:46:21,386
Speaker 1: stories about, you know, some things in the street he

912
00:46:21,466 --> 00:46:24,386
Speaker 1: used to do, and he was what I mean, Larry

913
00:46:24,666 --> 00:46:27,626
Speaker 1: all time great. So to know that that those types

914
00:46:27,666 --> 00:46:29,826
Speaker 1: of guys were blocking for image is just hard for

915
00:46:29,826 --> 00:46:31,706
Speaker 1: me to give him all the love. But I don't

916
00:46:31,706 --> 00:46:33,626
Speaker 1: want to take anything away from He's the all time

917
00:46:33,706 --> 00:46:36,226
Speaker 1: leading rush and all of NFL history. You can't do

918
00:46:36,266 --> 00:46:37,946
Speaker 1: that without being a hard worker. You can't do that

919
00:46:37,986 --> 00:46:40,226
Speaker 1: without having some skill. No, I'm with you. That's why

920
00:46:40,266 --> 00:46:42,466
Speaker 1: I was just kind of curious when you you didn't

921
00:46:42,546 --> 00:46:46,146
Speaker 1: say his name, but it makes sense and why you

922
00:46:46,266 --> 00:46:48,546
Speaker 1: decided to go down that path. I always say this

923
00:46:48,586 --> 00:46:50,186
Speaker 1: at the end of these Maybe I don't always say it,

924
00:46:50,186 --> 00:46:51,826
Speaker 1: but I do mean that man. Always great to work

925
00:46:51,826 --> 00:46:54,226
Speaker 1: with you dude, Always have a blast. Always appreciate you

926
00:46:54,266 --> 00:46:56,826
Speaker 1: guys checking us out on this podcast. You can fire

927
00:46:56,866 --> 00:47:01,226
Speaker 1: off the DFS at Mike underscore ya at Real Mike, Rob.

928
00:47:01,266 --> 00:47:03,186
Speaker 1: Don't send him to d M. You want respond, you

929
00:47:03,186 --> 00:47:06,826
Speaker 1: could just follow Rob. I promise I will get back

930
00:47:06,866 --> 00:47:09,586
Speaker 1: to you as and and we'll continue to compile a

931
00:47:09,586 --> 00:47:11,946
Speaker 1: lot of these questions that you have always appreciate you

932
00:47:11,946 --> 00:47:14,306
Speaker 1: guys listening once again the decline of the running back.

933
00:47:14,666 --> 00:47:16,746
Speaker 1: You be the judge. Is it happening or is it not?

934
00:47:16,826 --> 00:47:17,946
Speaker 1: Hopefully we explained it