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Speaker 1: M Hey everybody, I'm Robert Evans and this is again

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Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you everything

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Speaker 1: you don't know about the very worst people in all

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Speaker 1: of history. Now, today we have a very special guest, indeed,

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Speaker 1: my former co worker and current friend slash friend worker,

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Speaker 1: Michael s Wayne. How do y'all? Did I get that right?

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Speaker 1: Swam here? That is correct from the cool Ranch. So

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Speaker 1: tell you all about the great crunchy taste of doritos.

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Speaker 1: We are eating Dorito's. That's not like a joke or

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Speaker 1: anything like. It started out as an attempt to get

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Speaker 1: it's delightful. It's great to be here, Robert, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, thanks for showing up. So, Michael, you

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Speaker 1: and I worked together for a while and now you

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Speaker 1: are are the one of the head beans of the

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Speaker 1: Small Beans Network. What true? Oh dat right? True? Dat

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Speaker 1: tape fantastic. Uh So today we're talking about the age

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Speaker 1: of heroic commerce. Have you ever heard of this? No?

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Speaker 1: And you I asked for like a clueless so I

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Speaker 1: of heroic commerce, and I resisted so strongly there just

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Speaker 1: Do not know what you're talking about? Well, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: is You've hit upon as I should have explained a

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Speaker 1: few seconds earlier, the premise of the show, which is

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Speaker 1: that I read a story about someone terrible or someone's

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Speaker 1: in cold. So uh, we're gonna start in on that

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Speaker 1: right now. Actually, first off, I'm going to open a

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Speaker 1: diet coke and I'm going to do like a theatric open. So,

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Speaker 1: my god, no matter who you are or what your

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Speaker 1: personal stance on politics and capitalism is, you probably have

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Speaker 1: a corporation at least one that you regard as evil.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's mont Santo, maybe it's a T and T.

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Speaker 1: S Warner Media, the parent of CNN. If you're the president,

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Speaker 1: perhaps you hate Blackwater now x E. Or perhaps you

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Speaker 1: hate news Corps, or maybe you're not a fan of

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Speaker 1: Twitter because they banned your favorite conspiracy theorist. Everybody hates

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Speaker 1: at least one corporation these days. Who You've got a

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Speaker 1: real problem. I feel like there's not just a story

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Speaker 1: explanation for that for another day. Uh. So, yeah, we've

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Speaker 1: all got a corporation we hate, and hatred of a

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Speaker 1: corporation or corporations feels like a pretty modern thing, right.

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Speaker 1: You have trouble imaging someone in like sixteen oh five

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Speaker 1: with very good reason, been hating on big business since

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Speaker 1: the sixteen hundreds. In fact, even with all the nightmarish

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Speaker 1: climactic fury of modern oil corporations, the scandals of the

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Speaker 1: by the fashion industry in Hollywood, corporate evil may have

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Speaker 1: reached its peak so far more than two hundred years ago.

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Speaker 1: So join me, won't you, on a magical tour of

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Speaker 1: a period of time the author Stephen are Bound calls

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Speaker 1: the age of Heroic Commerce. His book Merchant Kings has

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Speaker 1: been one of the major sources for this episode. So. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The idea of working with several other people to run

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Speaker 1: The great granddaddy of all modern corporations was the Dutch

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Speaker 1: So according to a book called The Honorable Company, which

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Speaker 1: so the British East India Company received its Royal charter

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Speaker 1: they had unlimited life. The big trading partnerships of the

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Speaker 1: after a set number of years, at which point all

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Speaker 1: the firm's holdings would be liquidated and divided among the partners.

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Speaker 1: as will start to get to the corporation. Corporation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: from even each other. They're just like Mr X has

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Speaker 1: company leader, the guy who gets promoted when Vereh Hooven

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00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: gets his head cut off, is a guy named Simon Hohen,

428
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 1: and he immediately starts burning down village, those executing islanders

429
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: and stealing everything that isn't nailed down is revenge for

430
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 1: the killings. His forces were eventually beaten in battle and

431
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: had to flee to their boats. And but then they

432
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: just enacted a naval blockade and you know, people have

433
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 1: been trading with the Spice Islands for a while now,

434
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 1: so their population had grown, they've been doing very well.

435
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: They were no longer self sufficient in terms of food.

436
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: They required trade from other islands and from outside. So

437
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: he just starts starving them. This is so star Wars.

438
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: Now a trade blockade on Curissant has prevented the Spice

439
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: from Is this the long long ago Lucas was talking about?

440
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: This is very episode one. Yeah, So they got this

441
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: naval blockade going and it works. The local surrender because

442
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: they don't want to starve to death, and the entire

443
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: island of Nero becomes property of the Dutch East India Corporation,

444
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 1: in whose eyes everyone, including the people of the military

445
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: conquest they surrendered. The company said, like in the agreement

446
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: it was stated like this is to be kept by

447
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 1: us forever. Wow, like we just own this island now,

448
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: and this is the first time that had happened. So

449
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: not a lot of average when it comes to trade

450
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: back to the trade table. So look, I know you

451
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: own us now, but the spices are still good right

452
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: well how and sailed away from the band Islands and

453
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: the islanders went right back to trading with people they pleased,

454
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: albeit just kind of quietly this time, so they haven't

455
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: figured out force projection yet, so the natives are still

456
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: able to get away with some stuff. But the stage

457
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: had been set for the Dutch East India Corporation's rise

458
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: to power. By three the end of its original twenty

459
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: one year charter, its forces had engaged in naval battles

460
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: with every major c power on the world because they're

461
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: trading all around Asia and Europe at this point, they're

462
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: going up into China. They're just sending boats everywhere and

463
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,959
Speaker 1: they're constantly fighting with people. This Yeah, it's like the wire,

464
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,959
Speaker 1: like it's inherent to trade that. Well, when you get there,

465
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to fun some people. You have to

466
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: shoot some people. Then you control the corner. Then you

467
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: can start selling the products. Yeah yeah, yeah, so and

468
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: this is a lot of companies will set up posts

469
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: and stuff, right, you know, and they'll maybe conquer the post,

470
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: but they weren't taking much land beyond that were fortresses.

471
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: It sounds like, which I'm imagining as flying steampunk fortresses.

472
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: And please don'ticipate that that's perfectly fun. Yeah, but the

473
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 1: Duchy Cindia Company starts actually trying to do more than that,

474
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: trying to actually rule land to an extent, and you

475
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: know they're not good at it at first, but that's

476
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: where their ambition starts to head. So in addition to

477
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: fighting the local peoples, they're also fighting the British East

478
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: India Company. At this point, you know, there are sort

479
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: of fighting them in the market, but there's also like

480
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: street fights in these towns and these islands between company

481
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: representatives and stuff, and you know, things gradually start to escalate.

482
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: And this brings us to a guy named Jan Peter

483
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: Zoon Cohen. Now Cohen was born in seven He served

484
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: as a junior merchant in Verhoven's fleet and distinguished himself

485
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: by quite literally writing reports. Like he he wrote really

486
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: good reports on how to make more money in these islands.

487
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: It was that guy, See, I think a guy who

488
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: just makes his living writing these law reports. A guy

489
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 1: like that, You know what I mean? Robert, Yeah, you

490
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: hate that just sits around researching and type type type

491
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: and away. All right, So this guy hate already, I

492
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: remember Zoonah Cohen. Yeah, but well Piaster Zoon, Piper Zoon,

493
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: John piers Zo, I'm not even gonna try to Frank

494
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: tider Zo. So By six fourteen, Cohen rose to become

495
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: the second in command of the company's operations and the spiceries, which,

496
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: to be fair, was as much about not dying of

497
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: tropical disease as it was about merits. Other than that,

498
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: very hard at darkness, It's like, that's a real important point.

499
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: Was at the top the British guy who hasn't died

500
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: of malaria yet. Yeah, he was just born immune to malaria.

501
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: So he's the boss. Yeah, everyone else died in a month. Um.

502
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: So Cohen starts looking over the broader economic situation in

503
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: the spiceries and one thing becomes very clear to him,

504
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: and this is a quote from the book Merchant Kings.

505
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: Spices grew in such abundance in these regions that there

506
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: was no shortage of supply. Hence competition from the English

507
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: could not be tolerated because this would lower prices in

508
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: your up and make the business unprofitable, which is literally

509
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: like the epitome of evil because on the pole from

510
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 1: empathy too, it's like, yeah, so there's this thing everyone

511
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: in the world wants. Oh, it turns out God has

512
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: left such a that everyone could just have it, and

513
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: it's fine, Well, we better burn most of it, like

514
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: keep it locked in this box, and they do that.

515
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: Throughout this period. They will exterminate nutmeg from several of

516
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: these other islands, just to make it easy for them

517
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: to control. Like they'd be like, well, these islands are

518
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: too far off and we don't have enough ships to

519
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: so let's just kill all the nutmeg. Flamethrowers, burn the nutmeg.

520
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: No one else gets nutmeg. To say they're evil, but

521
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: it smells delicious around here. It's delightful, delightly scented island. Yeah.

522
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: So coin solutions for the company to expand throughout the

523
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: region and get a you know, a total monopoly. Um.

524
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: This way they have the power to restrict the supply

525
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: of spices in Europe and thus always charge really high prices,

526
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: which was necessary because they were running an increasingly large

527
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: navy and army and that ship don't come cheap. So

528
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: in order to achieve this vision, Cohen called to the

529
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: creation of an even larger corporate fleet so that he

530
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: could assault the Spanish and the Portuguese and the Philippines

531
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: and Macau in China. He also advocated sending Dutch colonists

532
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: and slaves to colonize these newly conquered territories all throughout

533
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: Southeast Asia. It was a beautiful dream. And the Council

534
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: of seventeen, who were the board of directors for this,

535
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: you know right, it's that's a sinister This whole story

536
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: is so like it should take place in the future

537
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: and this should be three years from now or maybe

538
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: time is cyclical, because this really feels like what our

539
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: corporate cultural we currently have is gonna return to ultimately,

540
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: like people start sniping CEOs and ship. Yeah, this is

541
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: gonna happen. It sounds like in twenty years this will happen.

542
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: Most of the players will have robot arms exactly. Yeah,

543
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 1: and it'll be cool as hell. It'll be better. Our

544
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: version will be higher effects but yeah, yeah, way higher

545
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: effects budget. So yeah, the Council of seventeen gets on board.

546
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: But to actually achieve his goals, Cohen knew he would

547
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: first have to kick the British out of the band aisles.

548
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: So there's a bunch of different islands. They're concerned with

549
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: a lot of other trading points. But he starts trying

550
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: to really lock down the bandas so two of the

551
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: islands I and Run had not signed any kind of

552
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: agreement with the Dutch, they were still free and independent.

553
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: Here's how a book The Honorable Company describes the political

554
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: situation in those islands at this point in the best

555
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: tradition of Southeast Asian adat consensus, each villager island was

556
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: in fact as self governing and fairly democratic republic. They

557
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: could withhold or dispose of their sovereignty as they saw fit.

558
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: And whereas the inhabitants of neighboring Nearra and Lonthor had

559
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: already been bullied into accepting a large measure of Dutch control,

560
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: those of out lying I and Run had managed to

561
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: preserve their independence intact. So, in other words, I ruined

562
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: so far away. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. But why were

563
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: they able to maintain that? Is that because they were

564
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: militarily stronger or just remote, they were just further away.

565
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: So my lack of seagulls pun scams, yes, but I

566
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: hate it, and I'm not happy that you made it.

567
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: And then it's on this anyway, it's happens. It can

568
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: be cut. No, it's happened, all right, there's no cutting

569
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: on this h So in sixteen fifteen, the company under

570
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: Cohen sent a thousand soldiers to eye to subjugate the locals.

571
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: The invasion was, however, defeated and repulsed because the natives

572
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: had been armed with British guns and trained by British troops,

573
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: not troops of the British government, for troops of the

574
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: British East India Company. It begins. So, yes, multinational corporations

575
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: were funding insurgent armies to fight each other four years

576
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: in the past. Wow. Yeah. And the idea of governments

577
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: just funneling guns to a convenient ally that you have

578
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: no control over. In the long term, just give them

579
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: all our weapons, they'll do it for us. The lesson

580
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: of history is that no one has ever learned anything. Ever. Yeah.

581
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: I always feel like learn history so that you know

582
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: what the repetition is going to be noted, because you're

583
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: doomed if you're going to repeat it. People only do

584
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: the same thing, just with bigger and bigger guns. Yeah. Yeah.

585
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: So the next year Cohensen is another army to invade I.

586
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: He also sent a message ahead of them to the

587
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: English soldiers helping to defend the island, saying that quote,

588
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: if any slaughter of men happened, they would not be culpable.

589
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: So the English company runs away because they don't want

590
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: to die, and I gets conquered. Uh so sci fi

591
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: and sorry, like the honorable Company and Council of seventeen

592
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: lay waste to eye for spice. Oh boy, it's about

593
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: to get wasted. So oh no bad, Yeah, no, it's terrible.

594
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: Now at this point, the English are still active and

595
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: ruining other islands in Indonesia. So Cohen's you know, he's

596
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: not finished kicking them out yet. He wrote a letter

597
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: to the Council of seventeen around this point that inadvertently

598
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: sums up the military industrial complex today. Quote your honors

599
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: should know by experience that trade in Asia must be

600
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: driven and maintained under the protection in favor of your

601
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: honor his own weapons, and that the weapons must be

602
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: paid for by the profits from the trade, so that

603
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: we cannot carry on trade without war, nor war without trade.

604
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: And no, I don't under everyone who lays the foundation

605
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: of the military industrial complex. How do you not scan

606
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: that as Oh, and that seems bad, This might end

607
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 1: really badly Like, uh, sir, well, what's the report from

608
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: the front. Well, we have chained our trade to violence,

609
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: and violence to trade, and a never ending only accelerating

610
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: freight train of who knows what will happen? Good good report,

611
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: like an end, like anage road to more profits. Feels

612
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: like it will never go badly for at the gravy

613
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: train will never stop. This seems sustainable forever. So in

614
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: April thirty six, eighteen, the company promotes Cohen to head

615
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: of Eastern Operations and basically gives him a mandate to congrats. Yea,

616
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: I know, right, he got a plaque so hard for

617
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: he did? He did, Yeah, that cannon on broccoli. He

618
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: missed his kids Dutch baseball games a lot, but you

619
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: know it was worth it in the end, I'm sure,

620
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: because his kid's gonna go to Dutch Harvard. So yeah.

621
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: Once Cohen was in total command, things quickly got even

622
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: more violent. The fighting in the islands were sort of

623
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: the Dutch in the British are still kind of holding

624
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: an uneasy piece. You know. There are more and more

625
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: street fights, there are more and more naval battles between

626
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: the fleets of the corporations. Soldiers start fighting in the jungle,

627
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: but sort of. While Cohen is working on eliminating the

628
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: last of the British from this area, the English and

629
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: Dutch governments go behind his back in a range of

630
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: peace treaty for the two corporations and kind of force

631
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: it on them because they're like, you're going to draw

632
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: our countries into war, and like England doesn't need to

633
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: be at war with the Netherlands for spices that there's

634
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: plenty of thousand miles away. We don't want this, so

635
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: the governments make peace. Cohen is furious about this because

636
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: if there's one thing he loves, it's fighting the British

637
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: East India Corporation. And I love that. This is like

638
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: to be the first time in history a human had

639
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: the impulse how dare the government regulate my corporation? My

640
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: corporation is more important than the government. I think this

641
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: is where that begins, because this is the first time

642
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: that I'm aware of that a government really stepped into

643
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: a multinational corporation and was like, what the fuck? Yeah,

644
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: there's so much nutmeg? Why are people dying here? So Cohen, yeah,

645
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: has to deal with the fact that the British East

646
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: India Company is now his friend and ally he grumbles

647
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: about this, but he turns his attention to fucking over

648
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: a completely different group of people. The remaining unconquered Banda Islands,

649
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: so he symbols an invasion force and he subjugates the

650
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: remaining free indigenous people of the island chain. He burns

651
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: their mosques. Uh, he requires them to pay taxes and

652
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: sweet sweet spices. Uh. And when certain people among the

653
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: islanders fight back and start massacring his patrols and basically

654
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: draw the company into a guerrilla war, Jeanne piders and

655
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: Cohen goes scorched earth on their asses. Uh. He captures

656
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: forty five tribesmen, behead eight tribal elders in public, and

657
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: then quarters the rest, which means he just cuts them

658
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: for One officer working for Cohen at the time stated

659
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: that quote things are carried on in such a criminal

660
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: and murderous way that the blood of the poor people

661
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: cries to Heaven for revenge. So that's one of his employees, Like,

662
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: we're the bad guys. This is really clear to me.

663
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: He's like quarter that man. He's quartering everybody us. He's

664
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: fucking I'll tell you one thing about jan Petrizon Cohen.

665
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: He's always able to fucking clean his laundry because he's

666
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: got quarters coming out. That you nailed his name, That

667
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: time to thank you, well play thank you? Uh so,

668
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: Subjugation was not the only thing Jan Cohen was out for.

669
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: His plan for the islands was, in essence, genocide. Here's

670
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: how Merchant Kings describes it quote. He wanted to depopulate

671
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: the islands to replace their inhabitants with imported slaves and

672
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 1: indentured labor under company control. He proceeded with the ethnic

673
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: cleansing of the band Islands over the next several months.

674
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: Company troops burned and destroyed dwellings, rounded up entire villages,

675
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: and hurting captives into ships so that they could be

676
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: transported to Batavia and sold as slaves. Thousands of men,

677
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: women and children died of disease and starvation during the voyage.

678
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: Out of a total population of perhaps thirteen to fifteen thousand.

679
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: Barely a thousand of the original residents remain in the

680
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: Banda Islands. Holy shit, how much right can you think

681
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: you have to reform the earth? That's crazy, Like showing

682
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: up in a place and being like, yeah, let's move

683
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: that over there, build these buildings, kill all these people,

684
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: just all of them. Would it change your opinion? Though?

685
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: You know that there's a nutmeg? Yeah? What do they

686
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: don't you dare forget clothes at home? Are people outraged

687
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 1: or are they just like I love heart and they're building,

688
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: like the government gets taxes out of this duties and

689
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: they're building nice new buildings and or what have you.

690
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: If you're just a dude in the Netherlands, you're like,

691
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: shipload of money is coming in from over here, and

692
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure your average person on the street in the

693
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: sixte doesn't have their going like, oh, all this ship

694
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: is evil. And by the height of the Dutch East

695
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: India Corporation, it's responsible for something like half of all

696
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: of the trade in Europe. So they become huge to

697
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: the point where people just take it for granted, like well,

698
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: they're just always there there McDonald's going to do. They're

699
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: even it would be fair to say they're even bigger

700
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: in this society as a force for like the life

701
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: in commerce than Amazon is today, like half of the

702
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: trade like that. They are enormous. They're like Googles. Yeah,

703
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: and they just had to genocide some people. So you

704
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: might think that for any rational man, or even a

705
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: moderately crazy genocidal man, this would have been enough. But

706
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: it was not enough for Jan Peterson Cohen. He decided

707
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: unilaterally to reneg on the peace treaty with the British

708
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: East India Company that his government had negotiated. He arrested

709
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: all of the English people on the islands, tortured and

710
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: executed a huge number of them, took all their goods

711
00:36:55,239 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: and destroyed everything that they've built. Wow. So he's not

712
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: even because a lot of times evil bastards will have

713
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: the ability to dehumanize foreign or exotic people's but he's

714
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 1: he'll kill anyone. No one is a human to Jan.

715
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: That's what I mean, is like he doesn't. It's not

716
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: a thing where he has any justification. He's like, I'll

717
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: kill anyone who opposes me. He doesn't. Just not clear.

718
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: He has fox, but he took half of his fox

719
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: and he executed them in front of the other half

720
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: of his fox to keep them quiet. Like that's the

721
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: man here. So we're gonna talk more about Jan fucking Cohen,

722
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna talk about a motherfucking or named

723
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: Robert Clive and a little subcontinent called India. But first,

724
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: do you love products and services and using currency to

725
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: purchase those things? You know it? That's how I'm here,

726
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: it's the best off. We go and we're back. We're back.

727
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: When we're talking about Jan Piastres and Cohen Jan Pizza ship,

728
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: it's a real piece of shit, real the piece of

729
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: shittiest Cohen there's ever been. What are if the Cohen Brothers,

730
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: it would be weird piece of ship. It would be

731
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: weird if we've been talking about ancestors to both Paul

732
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: Verehoven and the Cohen Brothers, the three greatest directors of

733
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: all history, and they hear this and have a bare

734
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: chested fist fight to resolve the conflict or make this

735
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: into a sweetass movie. There you go, Because I think

736
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: if you're gonna have the Cohen Brothers and Paul Verehoven

737
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: came up on a movie, you need Verehoven for how

738
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: bloody this story is. You have the Cohen Brothers direct

739
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: like the peaceful native people in their their plight, and

740
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: I think you have Paul Verehoven direct the Dutch after

741
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: the landing. So yeah, Jan's corporate masters were angry that

742
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: he had disobeyed them and massacred the British company, but

743
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: he'd also guaranteed them soul World monopoly over nutmeg and

744
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: mace two of the most valuable things on the planet.

745
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: Um So, they gave him histories first slap on the

746
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: wrist corporate punishment, and also gave it to him with

747
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: a gigantic bonus uh so literal golden parachute. Well, he

748
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: stays on. No, they're not going to kick it out.

749
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: He's really good at this. Uh so. One of the

750
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: company's directors, looking out at the burnt farms and slave

751
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: run plantations that had replaced a once thriving society and

752
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: the band aisles, said, quote, this is fine, this seems

753
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: good to me. Oh no, he said, there is no

754
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: profit at all in an empty sea, empty countries and

755
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: dead people. That's I agree. Like, what at some point

756
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: if you burn everything the funk down, where are you

757
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: getting the nutmeg? Dude? Well he was right eventually, because

758
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: this all does collapse for the Dutch India Company, but

759
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: for a while it's super profitable and the Dutch East

760
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: India Company becomes most powerful corporation on the planet. Cohen

761
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: died of a horrible tropical disease in age at age

762
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: forty two, so he didn't last that long, but the

763
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: company lived on. By the end of the century, it

764
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: had a private fleet of more than a hundred and

765
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: fifty merchant ships and forty warships and employed fifty thousand

766
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: people across the world, including a ten thousand man private army.

767
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: Uh it eventually sank into decline in irrelevance and by

768
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: seventeen ninety nine it was dissolved under a tremendous amount

769
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: of debt. Uh so. Yeah, the Netherlands continued to govern

770
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: much of Indonesian till but the Dutch East India Company

771
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: was not the most successful or the most notable East

772
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: India Company and all of history that title goes to

773
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: the people they defeated in the Battle for the spiceries,

774
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: the British East India Company, so after Cohen massacred a

775
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: bunch of their people in the band Aisles back in

776
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: sixteen twenty three, the British East India Company hit had

777
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: a wee bit of a rough patch. The company took

778
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: on more and more debt and had to sell most

779
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: of its assets in order to stay alive. The only

780
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: reason it didn't get dissolved and go out of business

781
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: is that it maintained a small trading post on India's

782
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: northwest coast. Now, the company limped along through the sixteen

783
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: thirties and sixteen forties, when Oliver Cromwell took away its

784
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: royal monopoly over Indian trade at the same time as

785
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: he took off the King's head. By early sixteen fifty seven,

786
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: the British East India Company was near death and its

787
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: governor suggested ending it all together. But all Oliver Cromwell

788
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: was like, what about it? Maybe this thing just needs

789
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: a little tune up, and he issued the company a

790
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: new charter. It would again have a monopoly on trade

791
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: within the Indies, but it would also have to organize

792
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: itself differently. So, as I said before, the Dutch corporation

793
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: had been similar in organization to today's corporations. You know,

794
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: it accumulated wealth, invested on projects and was able to,

795
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, operate the way a company operates. The British

796
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: East India Company had not functioned that way. The new

797
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: charter was basically a rip off of the Dutch East

798
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: India companies organizing principle, so that it could compete with

799
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: a company like that and develop an effective navy and army.

800
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: The government even seeded the reformed British East India Company

801
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: with seven and fifty thousand pounds of capital. But is

802
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: this after the Dutch East India company had already collapsed? No? No, no,

803
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: this is when when it's the biggest thing in because

804
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: I thought it was like they saw a train crash

805
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: and they're like, let's do that. This is like the

806
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: sixteen fifties when they're they're making a shipload of money

807
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: and over fist. So they're emulating success exactly, much like

808
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: Coke has to payalely imitate PepsiCo's delicious brand umbrella. Yes, yes,

809
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: and much like all other tortilla chips are a pale

810
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: imitation of der ritos. Did they taste like ashes in

811
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: my mouth? I would rather boil my tongue hard now.

812
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: Oliver Cromwell died two years after reforming the company when

813
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: a new king took over Britain. That king issued a

814
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: royal decree that granted the company even wider powers to quote,

815
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: wage war, administer justice, engage in diplomacy with foreign princes,

816
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: acquired territories, raise in command armies, and capture and plunder ships,

817
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: violating its monopoly. So the King's like, you're basically a government,

818
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: but just to make money. Yeah, get out of jail free,

819
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: instruct the laser cannons. Yeah, well, funny that you bring

820
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: up laser camps. Because this company's new focus was not spices.

821
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: The British dec India Company was not stealings the the

822
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: six hundreds equivalent, because India just happened to be the

823
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: world's largest reservoir of saltpeter. Now, saltpeter forms from animal

824
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: droppings after they've been left to sit and calcify for

825
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: a while, and he was the indispensable ingredient in gunpowder.

826
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: Whoever controlled India assault Peter supply would basically control Europe's

827
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: ability to shoot people. If you know Europe in the

828
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: six shooting people's kind of their thing. So the British

829
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: Company focused on India and spread. By the seventeen hundreds,

830
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: they had established control over three separate presidencies along the subcontinent.

831
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: And these are fairly small areas. They're still just setting

832
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: up trade. Sometimes they control like a city and a

833
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: little bit of the surrounding territory, but they're not capturing territories, right,

834
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, they're starting trading posts. Some of those turn

835
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: into cities, some of them are based around cities, but

836
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: they don't control vast swaths of land yet, and they're

837
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: not saying, here are our soldiers, we own this whole city.

838
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: Here's our little building, here's our little building. We're here

839
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: to trade for now. For now. Yes, we'll give us

840
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: the give us the gunpowder. We'll just see what happens later.

841
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: It'll probably go great for everybody. Well, we love is

842
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: mutual product. Now. The fact that Indian saltpeter was behind

843
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: most of the gunpowder used in Europe's many, many, many, many, many,

844
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: many many many, pretty much constant and unending wars meant

845
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: that the British East India Company was not the only

846
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: corporate power of buying for control of the subcontinent's resources.

847
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: Their old enemies that Dutch were there, as well as French, Danish,

848
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: Swedish and Australian corporations, all fighting over the Indian saltpeter.

849
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: Do these places not have animals that ship? Like, if

850
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: you've been to India, it's a beautiful country, fascinating culture. Yes,

851
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: absolutely it will not like when I read like, oh,

852
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: saltpeter comes from poop and India had the most it

853
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: was because I spent a lot of time and he's like, oh,

854
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, that's the place where there would be

855
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: all the saltpeter. Interesting. Yeah, and they've been you know,

856
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: India has been developed for a very long time, so

857
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: long history of animal husbandry, a long history of of cultivation,

858
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: and so they were just huge reserves of this stuff

859
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: sitting around um and it just so happened that the

860
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: Mughal Empire. I don't know why, I said, nice, they

861
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: have a lot of po good it's not about to

862
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: be good for them. Uh So, the Mughal Empire, who

863
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: ruled most of India, was in decline at this point UM.

864
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: And as it declined, the French and British corporations particularly

865
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: grew more powerful. So these corporations all had armies on

866
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: the subcontinent, usually a mix of regular government troops and

867
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: corporate soldiers basically mercenaries, along with cadres of local troops

868
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: trained to a rough approximation of European standards. These armies

869
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: were there to defend against other corporations, but they'd sometimes

870
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: make military alliances with like local princes and stuff, who

871
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: were more or less independent because again, sort of the

872
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: centralized nature of the Mughal government's breaking down at these points.

873
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: So you've got local princes and whatnot. Nawab's kind of

874
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: vying for more and more control. And I'm sure the

875
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: local forces they trained were just as effective as the

876
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: local forces we trained nowadays. You know, it's easy to

877
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: transmit that kind of knowledge. It really is. Uh So,

878
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: this is the world that one Robert Clive is born

879
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: into in ninety five. Now, have you ever heard of

880
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: Robert Clive. He's one of the most important people who's

881
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: ever lived. Um yeah, I mean yes, I know everything

882
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: about him. You can skip it. Like Jan Cohen, he

883
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: is a monster, but at least to me, he's also

884
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: kind of a likable monster. I kind of want to

885
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: see a movie about this guy. And I credit that

886
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: to the decades I spent reading adventure novels set during

887
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: the colonial era, like King Solomon's Minds. Clive is an

888
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: objectively bad person, but holy god, he had hotspah. So

889
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: he was born into the aristocracy, but like the poor aristocracy.

890
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: So you would think this guy is like lower middle class.

891
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: They get a nice house, but his dad's working all

892
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: the time, and like he doesn't have a lot of

893
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: prospects for the future. You know, while he's a kid,

894
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: he keeps getting expelled from schools because he can't stop

895
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: pulling pranks. Um. At one point a bunch of his

896
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: friends get together and they form a protection racket to

897
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: extort money from local business owners. So he's like a

898
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: thug from Oh yeah, that old prank of beating the

899
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: ship out of people if they don't pay you. Classic

900
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: Clooney on set all the time, all the time. This

901
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: is just a prank, This is give me your money.

902
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: So Clive eventually grows up and decides to take a

903
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 1: job in India with a company because again he doesn't

904
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: have any prospects in England. And if you want to

905
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: get fucking rich in this period, you roll the fucking

906
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: die of a tropical disease dice and get a job

907
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: with one of these Death of a salesman and you

908
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: just go into the jungle and come out a millionaire.

909
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah that's the or die of malaria. Yeah a

910
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: lot of people did both. Uh So yeah, he gets

911
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: a and he's he's he's not the stuff that he's

912
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: gonna sound like an action here. I want to get

913
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: through with this. He is a small man, he's not

914
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: good looking, he's sick all the time, and he is

915
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: manic depressive, Okay, Yeah, I also like to think he's

916
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: just a mesa Halic. He needs that that's further south,

917
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: although he's probably loving the curry. Yeah. So, in Clive

918
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: gets a job working as a clerk at an outpost

919
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: in Madras. He's twenty. Uh, they're only about three hundred

920
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: guys there from the East India Corporation when a force

921
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: of French Company soldiers shows up and tries to conquer

922
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: the place. Now, the company men a hole up inside

923
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: the fort, but rather than fight, they just drink all

924
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: of the liquor and the fort and then once the

925
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: liquor runs out, they surrender, which is I can respect that.

926
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: That means they probably knew they were going to surrender

927
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: the whole time, but they're like, wait, wait, give us

928
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: a minute, give us a minute, They're probably gonna take

929
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: the liquor. If first, I should say, They all surrender

930
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: except for Robert Clive. He dresses up in a the

931
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: traditional outfit of a local interpreter, paints himself in black face,

932
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: and escapes with a few of his colleagues. Nice They

933
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 1: hike a hundred and fifty kilometers to the company's last

934
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: intact coastal fort and get there just in time to

935
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: warn them that the French army is on its way.

936
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: This gives the British company men enough time to get

937
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: the local ruler, the Nawab, to raise up an army

938
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 1: of ten thousand men to defend them. So the French

939
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: show up with twelve hundred men and they easily beat

940
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: this army. Because we could know if he was man

941
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: or depressive at each time. This is a manic fucking

942
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: is that diagnosable in the six we know, but people

943
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: since then because he wrote a lot and he had

944
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: a biographer who hung out with him all the time,

945
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: so there's enough info that people are like, it seems

946
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: like he was manic depressive. Yeah, it seems like it,

947
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: you know. So, yeah, the French beat the army that's

948
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: raised up to defend the last sort of British Company

949
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: port on the coast, but the delay in fighting them

950
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: gives the Royal Navy enough time to show up and

951
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: save the day. Uh So, in seventeen forty eight, that

952
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: little trade war ends and Robert Clive realizes that he

953
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: kind of loves being in terrifying danger, so he volunteers. Definitely, man, Yeah, yeah,

954
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I could kill him million French guys,

955
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: so he volunteers for service in the militant wing of

956
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: the East India Company. He basically transfers over to the

957
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: armed Division request to be in the fighting section, and

958
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: his his request is granted because he's did a really

959
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: good job the last time, so he immediately gets a

960
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: promotion and he winds up in a pretty sweet position

961
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: where he basically gets a cut of all of the

962
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 1: trade within a certain small area. So he starts making

963
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: good money. And the thing that the trade war had

964
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: driven home to Clive is that Europeans were just way

965
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: better at fighting than everybody else. Um. Again, that was

966
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: like a French army versus ten thousand Indian soldiers and

967
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't even a hard fight. Um. There's a lot

968
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: of reasons for this, you know. It's not that these

969
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: guys are superhuman or genius. It's that number one, they

970
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: have guns and fairly modern and number two, none of

971
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: these soldiers usually want to be fighting for the side

972
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: therewith they're kind of press getting into it. These aren't

973
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: large professional armies that are motivated. They're just like guys

974
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: this local rulers forcing to fight and they run pretty easy,

975
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: right come to fight another day whenever they want. Yeah, yeah,

976
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: if they want, but they don't really want to fight

977
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: because they're farmers. They're not. And that's the other thing

978
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: is that all of the European soldiers in here are

979
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: soldiers usually for decades. If they live long enough, they'll

980
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: have twenty years of fighting experience. As it almost all

981
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: spent overseas. Yeah. Yeah, it's not like now where they

982
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: have regular like go home for you, because it takes

983
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: like two years to get home. It's just crazy to

984
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: imagine that you sign up for my life is just

985
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: totally detached from my home now forever going into the void.

986
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: Amount of violent, kind of off balance people. So Europe

987
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: trains them really well, harms them and sends them away

988
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: from Europe. Like, yeah, it's like the beginning of the

989
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: space program. This is just a bunch of asshole astronauts

990
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: being sent out. We're just like, we gotta get Neil

991
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: Armstrong at a planet such a prick, send him away,

992
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: send him to the moon. Yes, this this show has

993
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: always had a strong anti astronaut five and I'm glad

994
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: that you caught onto that. Yeah, he's gottast or not.

995
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 1: Their bastards Kadafi would agree with you. Yeah, this suits.

996
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: They should all commit suicide. Yes, the hollow life of

997
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: the astronaut, the existence of an astronaut. Yeah, so yeah.

998
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: Robert Clive realizes that European armies are just unbelievably good

999
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: compared to anything that particularly that the Indian rulers can

1000
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: put together. Um, and he realizes that with enough soldiers,

1001
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: there's basically no native force in India who could stop

1002
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: him from doing whatever he wanted. Now, he did not

1003
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: turn straight to conquest. He just saw this as a

1004
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: service he could offer the local rulers. Basically, I want

1005
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: trade in a certain reason. You're the guy in charge.

1006
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: I can help you beat whatever local enemies you have,

1007
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: and it won't it's not even hard for me. I

1008
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: send my guys up for a couple of weeks, it's done,

1009
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: and then you let me get your ship at a

1010
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 1: lower price or whatever. We set up a deal, right,

1011
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: So that's kind of that's his first idea is just

1012
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: to set rent his mercenaries out in order to get

1013
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: better trading deals. Pumps that guy in the face and

1014
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: we'll give you a Costco club card. I get it

1015
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: so and that that that's when all this is happening.

1016
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: The empire is dying, regional leaders are getting more and

1017
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: more power, and he's just renting his army out. And

1018
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: basically the different European companies to start sort of backing

1019
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: puppet rulers in the regions where they're active, because it's

1020
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: easy for them to prop up a government, and it

1021
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: makes it easier if they can know the government's going

1022
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: to be supportive of their company. And they've learned from

1023
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: the mistake of like, don't have your mercenaries try to

1024
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: turn into judges and magistrates and lawmakers and ship. Yeah

1025
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: that the company building here, like it's not worth the investment. Yeah,

1026
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: So they're leaving the state intact. They're just making sure

1027
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: the ruler won't do anything they don't want or knows

1028
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: that they'll be killed if they do. Yeah, And it's

1029
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: a it's a pretty sweet position because they don't really

1030
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: have any responsibility over anything, like other than fighting every

1031
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: now and then. Yeah, robbing gunpoint is usually a pretty

1032
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: advantageous position to be in. Yeah. So at one, you know,

1033
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: at various points, the puppets of these corporations go to

1034
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: war with each other, and during one of these little

1035
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: trade wars between the puppets of the French and the

1036
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: puppets of the English, like the different puppet rulers they

1037
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: put up. Robert Clive talks his way into a major

1038
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: military command. Uh. He takes a force of English Company

1039
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: soldiers and three hundred mercenaries on a daring jungle march.

1040
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: They go a hundred kilometers in six days and they

1041
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: capture the enemy capital, a town called our Cot, with

1042
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand citizens. They don't even have to fire

1043
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 1: a shot, so Clive takes command of the town's fort.

1044
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: He orders his men not to loot or take bribes

1045
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: um because he doesn't want any trouble with the locals,

1046
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: because he knows that there's going to be a big

1047
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: counter attack to quarter only only cut him in four. No,

1048
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: but he's really he's not that kind of guy. He

1049
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: really is trying to He's just trying not to lose

1050
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,959
Speaker 1: them because he knows the people they don't care about

1051
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: the local ruler either. They're just piste off that everything

1052
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: is chaos, they exactly, and he just like, don't give

1053
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: them a reason to hate us, Like there's there's no

1054
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: benefit to that to us in that So yeah, Clive

1055
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: took takes command of the fort. He and his men

1056
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: start to like fortify it for the counter attack, and

1057
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: the counter attack comes um Clive and has men wind

1058
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: up surviving like a fifty day long siege from this

1059
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: like massive Indian army, ten thousand men who have been

1060
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: partly trained by French soldiers, so they're a little bit

1061
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: better than the Indian armies usually are. And they have

1062
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: several dozen war elephants that are covered in metal plates

1063
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: on their heads that are basically meant to batter down

1064
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: this fort. We've reached that three of the movie. Yeah,

1065
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: we've reached at three of the movie. But being a

1066
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: military genius, Robert Clive realized that elephants don't like being

1067
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: shot by rifles. Uh so he just had his men

1068
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: do that repeatedly. He's a brilliant man, wiley son of

1069
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: a bit. So the muskets of that era weren't really

1070
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: good at killing elephants, but they scared the ship out

1071
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: of them, and the elephants stampeded and trampled the guys

1072
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: on side. It's like, you don't have to kill the elephant,

1073
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: you just have to make the elephant be like this.

1074
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 1: So the army retreats and a few hours later Clive

1075
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: and his men are relieved by reinforcements. So at this point,

1076
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: Robert Clive twenties something dude had seen more adventure than

1077
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: most people in two lifetimes. But he was still like,

1078
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: fuck it, I want more action. So he takes charge

1079
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: of the reinforcements and he leads an attack on the

1080
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: guy who'd just been laying siege to him. Clive bribes

1081
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: hundreds of the enemy's best soldiers to defect and adds

1082
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: them to his army, and he spends the next few

1083
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: months just winning a series of skirmishes and slowly demolishing

1084
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: this Indian king's army. Uh. He everywhere he conquered. He

1085
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: took bribes and cuts of all of the riches in

1086
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: the region and just took it. Some of them went

1087
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: to the company, some of it just went to Robert Clive.

1088
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,479
Speaker 1: So by the time this whole war is over, Clive

1089
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 1: has fuck you money. Um, So he goes back to

1090
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: England for a while. Once yeah he's he's one of

1091
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: the guy's manifort. We'll be trying to burnish the image

1092
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: of like, yeah he was, he's a real inspiration. So

1093
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: he goes back to England for a while once his

1094
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: trade war ends, and he does the fancy rich British

1095
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: gentleman stick for a spell, he gets married. He's sort

1096
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: of famous at this point. Um Prime Minister William Pitt

1097
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: the Elder called him quote the heaven born general Wealth,

1098
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: and politics quickly grew boring for him, though, So when

1099
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: Clive heard the company was having more trouble with the French,

1100
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: he took the opportunity to go back to India and

1101
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: do more war stuff. So this time he winds up

1102
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: in Bengal, a super productive and agriculturally rich region of

1103
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: the country. A local nawab his soldiers, by the French,

1104
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: had just conquered the city of Calcutta, which had been

1105
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: sort of a British trading city, and he captured the

1106
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: English sport there. Now, the area around Calcutta had both

1107
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: a lot of cotton and also the world's largest reserves

1108
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: of high quality saltpeter, so the British can't really afford

1109
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: to lose this area. So Clive takes a fleet and

1110
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: two hundred soldiers and he sails back to India to

1111
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: function up. Okay, I thought you're saying Clive took it

1112
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: like they like, the British East India Company defend its

1113
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: like fucking over England. He's going in to get it back.

1114
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: It gets conquered by a an Indian army that's backed

1115
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: by the French, and the British decided to take it.

1116
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: They go easier on the ratio of elephants to soldiers,

1117
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: they're able to win this time. Well, there's just not

1118
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: that many guys, like a couple of hundred dudes, right,

1119
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: and they're not really well organized. So yeah, they get

1120
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: they get so they call the sociopaths and sociopath real

1121
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: fucking hard. So Clive winds up back there and he's

1122
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: he's he's great. You know. He wins a bunch of battles,

1123
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: He scares a bunch of elephants and makes them run

1124
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: through enemy ranks. Happens a number of times. It's like

1125
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: the classic Clive move uh and the British East India

1126
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: Company stock raises off of his victories. Everything culminates in

1127
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: the Battle of Plassy. Now, this is one of those battles,

1128
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: like the Battle of Hastings, that everybody should know about.

1129
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: It's one of the most important moments in the history

1130
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: of both India and of the British Empire. So Clive,

1131
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: with three thousand soldiers only a thousand of whom are European,

1132
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: fights a local army of fifty thousand men and he

1133
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: just wipes the floor with them. They're basically charging cannons

1134
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: and gun lines with swords and it just doesn't work.

1135
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: Clive is not a military genius, although he gets that

1136
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: reputation at the time, the consensus now more seems to

1137
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: be that he was just competent and didn't fun anything

1138
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: up and was very brave and it wasn't hard to

1139
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: win a war like this, because again, you've got disciplined

1140
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: soldiers with muskets and cannons, and the natives are charging

1141
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: you with swords across an open field. As long as

1142
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: you're able to just barely keep them in line and

1143
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: be like don't run, yeah, we'll win. And these guys,

1144
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: they're all hard sons of bitches who have been killing

1145
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: people for decades there, for years, and they are rough

1146
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: sons of I can't run my head around the mercenary

1147
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: concept because I just it's so crazy to be like, hey,

1148
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: here's money, kill that guy, and then someone else comes along.

1149
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: They're like here's more money. I don't kill that guy,

1150
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, shoot this guy. Money is good

1151
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: and I'm good at shooting people a guy who paid

1152
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: you before. Because here's more money. Can I stay drunken

1153
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: on opium for forever? Of course, it's that seemed to

1154
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: be like part and parcel of being a mercenary at

1155
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: this time, just shipping your pants, taking opium, killing people. Yeah,

1156
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: that's that's these guests. So uh. With the victory at Plassy,

1157
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: Clive instantly rockets from having fuck you money to funk

1158
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: the world. He's one of the richest humans on the planet.

1159
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: After this, Uh, he places a new guy on the

1160
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: throne of Bengal, which is a huge chunk of India,

1161
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: and is given a cut of all of the wealth

1162
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: and like the wealthiest part of the Indian subcontinent. So

1163
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: he's given three hundred thousand pounds and not pounds in

1164
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: terms of British currency, three hundred thousand pounds in golden

1165
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: jewels just for him. Like he just gets that loot

1166
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: pounds of ship a hundred and fifty thousand tons. There's

1167
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: only one reason to accrue that in physical gold. He's

1168
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: Scrooge mcducking that ship need as physical golden jewels. Now

1169
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: his men get another huge chunk of money, like half

1170
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: a million pounds of well, so they all get rich too,

1171
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: but not nearly as rich as Clive, and the company

1172
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: gets also huge huge amounts of money. Uh. And also

1173
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,479
Speaker 1: the British heat Stindia company winds up with a total

1174
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: monopoly pretty much on high quality saltpeter. So the British

1175
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: government from this point on basically has the power to

1176
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: cut every nation on Earth off from gunpowder. Doesn't that

1177
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: play a key role in the American Revolution? In every

1178
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: war that happens, that's the Seven Years War, the French

1179
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: and Indian law. Big part of why the British win

1180
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: is because they own the gunpowder. Thomas Jefferson tells his

1181
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: wife how to yeah, self saltpeter. Yeah. So Clive is

1182
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: appointed governor of Bengal, but Bengal is still technically ruled

1183
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: by a local dude. But for the first time, the

1184
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: company finds itself in control of more than just a

1185
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: few ports. They're more or less in control of this

1186
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: whole region. They're not officially because they don't want to be,

1187
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: because they don't want to be, but they really are

1188
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: running this now because they think there's a lot of

1189
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: money in it. For one, they just get as soon

1190
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: as they conquered, the guy they put on the throne

1191
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: gives them huge amounts of money, so they start to

1192
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: get a taste for eating big chunks of land. Right.

1193
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: That's kind of where the East India companies and Nation

1194
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: Building are just owning them and sitting up. They don't

1195
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: give a shit about nation They just want to take

1196
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: the money. Um. But back at home in England, this

1197
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: starts to scare people both the company having this big

1198
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: chunk of land that's larger than England and contains more

1199
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: people in it, which is weird for everybody, and it

1200
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: even scares Clive a little bit. In seventeen fifty nine,

1201
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: he writes this to a company officer. So large a

1202
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: sovereignty may possibly be an object too expensive for a

1203
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: mercantile company, and it is feared that they are not

1204
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: of themselves able without the nation's assistance to maintain so

1205
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: wide a dominion. Um, it took that long. Yeah, you

1206
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: might start a business and then you're like, we an

1207
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: most of Canada, parts of Texas, and like, have we

1208
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: gone too far? Is this is this not what a

1209
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: company should Nobody asked this till now. But should we

1210
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: own the moon here? I mean we just make build

1211
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,919
Speaker 1: a bears. This has gone maybe too far for build

1212
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: a Bear. So the sheer amount of wealth Clive acquired

1213
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: in one fell swoop after the Battle of Plassy also

1214
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: terrifies everybody in Britain. This is a semi modern state.

1215
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: We're not talking the Roman Empire where generals are meant

1216
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: to plunder things. This is a place with press and

1217
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: like civil rights rules and like limitations on the power

1218
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: of government and stuff. Nothing like clearly not or within

1219
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: within England. They do right, obviously not compared to what

1220
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: we'd consider, but like, this is still weird for them.

1221
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: We're not just doing crimes. This is a officer of

1222
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: a corporation. And under Clive is not just company troops

1223
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: but Royal British soldiers and the Royal British Navy. So

1224
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: the British government soldiers are fighting under the command of

1225
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: a corporate officer who just took hundreds of thousands of

1226
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: pounds in plunder. This is weird for everybody. And I

1227
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: kept as much as he wanted. Yeah, yeah, So people

1228
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: start to speak up and be like this might not

1229
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: be okay with England. We need to talk about this.

1230
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: And Bengal is not at this point the only chunk

1231
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: of land that's been taken over by corporations. We just

1232
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: talked about the Dutch. But obviously, like in Canada, the

1233
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: American Northwest was like the Hudson Bay Company by this

1234
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: point controls a million square kilometers of North America. So

1235
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: it's starting to be a thing, and it's starting to

1236
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 1: get weird to people. And also it's probably worth noting

1237
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: that in sixteen sixty the British government issued a charter

1238
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: to the Company of Royal advent Sers trading to Africa.

1239
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: This would become the Royal African Company. By nine the

1240
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: Royal African Company had shipped roughly one thousand slaves out

1241
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: of Africa and into the New World. So the Duchy

1242
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: India Company, the guys from the beginning, also founded the

1243
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: New Amsterdam Colony. Their mismanagement gave it over to the

1244
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: English and it eventually became New York. So like, this

1245
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: is what else is happening at this time. Robert Clive

1246
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: is back in England with all of the money in

1247
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: the world and starting to fend off some like legal

1248
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: challenge as a result of how much he's taken. Um.

1249
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: So maybe your education was different than mine, Michael and

1250
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: people listening, Maybe you all learned about this stuff when

1251
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: you were a kid. But part of my research here,

1252
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: the only thing I knew about the British East India

1253
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: Company was something to do with the Boston Tea Party,

1254
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: and that they were bad guys and at least one

1255
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: of the pirates of the Caribbean movies. Right. I knew

1256
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: that in in narratives of this time period they're seen

1257
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: as like an evil empire, so I was ready for

1258
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: that to be true, and it is. It's super true,

1259
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: and it's true that their actions built the modern world.

1260
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: In very many ways. They embody what's possible when a

1261
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: gigantic business enterprise is completely unencumbered by the rule of

1262
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: law or conscience. But what we've seen happen here isn't

1263
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: just the birth of free enterprise utterly devoid of regulation,

1264
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: international corporations that cannot be regulated. It's not just that

1265
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: this is the birth of colonialism, because this is now

1266
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: when these companies start thinking about colonies, not just as

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Speaker 1: a place for like people to move or whatever, for

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Speaker 1: whatever but like this is part of a trading empire

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Speaker 1: that we've set up and like a planned community, and so,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's several movies where the evil plan is

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Speaker 1: to like just reshape people on a genetic level until

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Speaker 1: you have the perfect worker or whatever, and this is

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Speaker 1: almost that, like, let's just change the whole world, do

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Speaker 1: whatever the funk we want now. In the eighteen fifties,

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Speaker 1: the British annexed Mandalay in modern day Burma. Ruyard Kipling

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Speaker 1: wrote a poem about life as a colonial soldier there

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Speaker 1: that I think sums up very well the attitude many

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Speaker 1: of these corrupt corporate officers had towards the vast domains

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Speaker 1: now under their charge. I'm surprise the government is not

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Speaker 1: already pushing back harder, Like they don't see this as

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Speaker 1: an existential threat, I guess because it enriches them so much, right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And we'll be getting to that in the next part

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Speaker 1: of this. But I want to read you this quote

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Speaker 1: from Kipling's poem Mandalay. That's sort of I think it

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Speaker 1: helps me get into the head of these people, and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it in a British accent ship me

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Speaker 1: Someway as east of Suez, where the best is like

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Speaker 1: the Wist, where there ain't no tin commandments and a

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Speaker 1: man can raise a fist. That's that's the attitude here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's no god out here. Let's go to international waters

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Speaker 1: and get drunk do whatever we think next. So if

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Speaker 1: you want to see what it looks like when a

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Speaker 1: bunch of cash hungry corporate types winds up in charge

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Speaker 1: of one of the most populous nations on the planet

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Speaker 1: and realizes that there are no fucking rules about what

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Speaker 1: they can do, you'll have to tune into the next

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Speaker 1: episode of Behind the Bastards because this is again a

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Speaker 1: two parter. We will be dropping the next part on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to get ugly. Not just as ugly

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Speaker 1: as it's been, but as ugly as in anything lest

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Speaker 1: century was this so far compared to other episodes I've

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Speaker 1: heard his tame in terms of detailed graphic detail about

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Speaker 1: see like, now you have the overview, we'll get to

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Speaker 1: the blood and guts. So Michael, yeah, Mikhail as you

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Speaker 1: have never gone by, and Miguelito sometimes yeah, So you

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Speaker 1: got any pluggables before we close this episode, Well, my

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Speaker 1: Twitter handle is at swam Underscore Corp. But now I

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Speaker 1: want nothing to do. I thought it'd be cute. I'm

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Speaker 1: a corporation, I'm a brand, you know. Um, But now

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Speaker 1: I realized that I'm destined to colonize the earth and

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Speaker 1: crush people under my boot heel. Yes, and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: feel good. But if you want to follow my progress

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Speaker 1: on conquering the Earth, that would be its swam Underscore Corp.

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Speaker 1: And as you mentioned at the top, very graciously, our

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Speaker 1: own podcast and sketch network is called small Beans. You

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Speaker 1: can find us on Patreon, Instagram, iTunes, and etcetera. All right,

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Speaker 1: and I'm Robert Evans. You can find me on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at I right, okay, just two letters, and you can

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Speaker 1: find this podcast on the internet at behind the Bastards

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Speaker 1: dot com. Well, we'll have all of the sources for

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Speaker 1: this episode and next episode. You can also find us

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at at Bastards pod. You can find us

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Speaker 1: on Instagram in the same way. So thank you for listening,

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Speaker 1: and we'll be back next Thursday with part two of

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Speaker 1: the Age of Heroic Commerce. M