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Speaker 1: The human mind seeks community and Reddit was noteworthy, especially

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Speaker 1: things that we should be fighting for. You know, when

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Speaker 1: I did part ways, I was so pleased to see

437
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Speaker 1: the response finally was Okay, we're going to ban these

438
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Speaker 1: things because it shined a.

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Speaker 4: Light, right.

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Speaker 1: And what it also taught me was, this was four

441
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Speaker 1: years ago, is that I had I didn't have enough agency,

442
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Speaker 1: and that was my own creation, that was my own doing.

443
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Speaker 1: But I was never going to put myself in a

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Speaker 1: situation again where I couldn't be doing not just the

445
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Speaker 1: best work of my career, but also in a way

446
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Speaker 1: to align with my values. And what's been a phenomenal

447
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Speaker 1: result is for the last four years I've had so

448
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Speaker 1: much win at my back from making that decision, from

449
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Speaker 1: aligning those values. And I still think the Internet can

450
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Speaker 1: bring out the best in us. I do really believe that,

451
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Speaker 1: and I can also accept the conflicting view that in

452
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Speaker 1: it enables the worst of us, and I obviously want

453
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Speaker 1: to be on the side of the former, and so

454
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Speaker 1: I try to use my platform as best I can

455
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Speaker 1: for those things and to you know, curb the worst.

456
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Speaker 1: I think I have to remain an optimist because I'm

457
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Speaker 1: still optimistic about humanity and to the extent these tools

458
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Speaker 1: are just a reflection of society, of our world, and

459
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Speaker 1: I need to believe that, you know, or is hope

460
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Speaker 1: for us to figure this out, to get a line

461
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Speaker 1: that at the end of the day, merely all of

462
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Speaker 1: us still want the same things. We want to live

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Speaker 1: decent lives. We want our kids to live hopefully better

464
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Speaker 1: lives than we did. Like, there are some practical needs

465
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Speaker 1: that we still have from hundreds of thousands of years

466
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Speaker 1: ago that I think we need to meet. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: I want to spend my years supporting all the stuff

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Speaker 1: that I know my girls will be proud of.

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Speaker 2: Walk me through your thought process. How do you process

470
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Speaker 2: tens of thousands of people subscribing to a reddit that's

471
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Speaker 2: about watching people die? Yeah, because I want to know

472
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Speaker 2: how someone like you who's building something thinks about that.

473
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Speaker 2: It's easy to be like, we should ban that, we

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Speaker 2: don't want people to see that. But I wonder what

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Speaker 2: your thought process is and how you reconcile the fact

476
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Speaker 2: that there are people who are interested in something like

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Speaker 2: that versus there's so much good And I'd love to

478
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Speaker 2: hear from a programmer code builder.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, early on, these really radical communities almost never exist,

480
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Speaker 1: certainly back then because there were just fewer people online,

481
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Speaker 1: you know, two thousand and five, starting Reddit, I was

482
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Speaker 1: just hoping it would work. There were so few people

483
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Speaker 1: online actively creating content that you know, for early years

484
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Speaker 1: it wasn't even a thing. It never even came up,

485
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Speaker 1: and when it did, it was just an easy band

486
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Speaker 1: because it was a one off post. I left so

487
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Speaker 1: sold the coming two thousand and six to kind of

488
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Speaker 1: ask stuck around till twenty ten. Then I left, went

489
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Speaker 1: became a partner y Combinator, started a venture fund, and

490
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Speaker 1: I came back in twenty fourteen as executive chairman.

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Speaker 4: And that was in the wake.

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Speaker 1: Of a previous CEO infamously defending revenge porn. This was

493
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Speaker 1: definitely read its Nader, and he'd written this infamous blog

494
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Speaker 1: post defending keeping these horrible photos up and that was

495
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Speaker 1: not surprisingly one of his last acts a CEO, and

496
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Speaker 1: I was asked by the board to come back.

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Speaker 4: I said, great.

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Speaker 1: First thing we did, shocker ban revenge porn, pretty easy,

499
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Speaker 1: very obvious thing to do. And then it was a

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Speaker 1: task of one rebuilding the business, rebuilding the faith you know,

501
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Speaker 1: with users, with brands, with everyone, and then starting to

502
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Speaker 1: just modernize all the things. And then as this stuff

503
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Speaker 1: started coming up, and once it got to the board levels,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll give the Steelman version of the argument

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Speaker 1: that I heard was these are communities that are important

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Speaker 1: because of free speech. And the one argument that I

507
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Speaker 1: really didn't necessarily believe, I didn't believe was around the

508
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Speaker 1: therapeutic value of having communities like this for people who

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Speaker 1: have PTSD, like soldiers or medical folks. And I push

510
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Speaker 1: back pretty hard on that one because I just still

511
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Speaker 1: didn't I didn't believe that it was real. The probably

512
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Speaker 1: the most elucidating takeaway for me was once a spotlight

513
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Speaker 1: was shown on it. The thing I would have respected more,

514
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Speaker 1: even though I disagreed with it, would have been taking

515
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Speaker 1: that same argument and making it publicly and just saying, yeah, look,

516
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Speaker 1: this is a free speech issue. We feel like this

517
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Speaker 1: should be here, and even though I would disagree with it,

518
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Speaker 1: I'd still respect that it was consistent. But we know

519
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Speaker 1: that's not what happened. What happened was Okay, yeah, are bad,

520
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Speaker 1: We're going to ban it now. And that for me

521
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Speaker 1: was when I just I realized, no, this isn't this.

522
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Speaker 1: I can't I can't spend I don't know how ever

523
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Speaker 1: many decades I got left on this earth doing this

524
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Speaker 1: and being a part of this, And I think the

525
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Speaker 1: really telling thing in the era we're in now is

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Speaker 1: we have the first generation of young people who are

527
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Speaker 1: like in their early twenties, who have grown up, like

528
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Speaker 1: truly grown up on these social media platforms, and so

529
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Speaker 1: it's exposed some of the most problematic parts. It's also

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Speaker 1: exposed some of the most impressive parts, like the excellence

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Speaker 1: of an nineteen year old twenty year old who's pitching

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Speaker 1: me to start her company.

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Speaker 4: She is orders a magnitude.

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Speaker 1: Smarter, farther along, just just more impressive than I was

535
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Speaker 1: at her age twenty years ago, and I think the

536
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Speaker 1: Internet has a huge role to play in that. At

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Speaker 1: the same time, some of the stuff we talked about earlier,

538
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Speaker 1: just trying to navigate an already really difficult time that

539
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Speaker 1: is childhood, where your entire life is gamified, you know,

540
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Speaker 1: based on how many followers you get or how many

541
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Speaker 1: hearts you get or whatever else, also brings out the worst.

542
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Speaker 1: But for me now that was my breaking point, and

543
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Speaker 1: I just realized, I, like I said, I can deal with.

544
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Speaker 1: I understand you see this argument being made to this day.

545
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Speaker 1: I respect that argument, and I at least appreciate when

546
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Speaker 1: it's consistent. The inconsistency is the part that grinds my

547
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: gears more than anything else. But we must also still

548
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Speaker 1: accept the fact that, you know, the World Wide Web itself,

549
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Speaker 1: the Internet is the totally open free space. The difference

550
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Speaker 1: is when we build any kind of social media platform platform,

551
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Speaker 1: whatever it is, on it, we are ultimately deciding what

552
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Speaker 1: belongs and what doesn't. We've all agreed that spam does

553
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Speaker 1: not matter, like we are all okay and pinging on

554
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Speaker 1: the free speech of a spammer. And that's a pretty

555
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: easy argument that everyone agrees. So if we agree on that,

556
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Speaker 1: then now we just need to agree on where we

557
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Speaker 1: draw the line. Because it's there's no such thing as

558
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Speaker 1: a totally free network. Because again we've all agreed we

559
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Speaker 1: draw a line on spam, So where else does it go?

560
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Speaker 1: And like I said, for me and I realize it is,

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Speaker 1: it's important for it to be a gray line. And

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Speaker 1: I can go into all the there's a myriad of

563
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Speaker 1: reasons why it's actually really helpful to have it be

564
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Speaker 1: a gray line. The short answer is if you make

565
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Speaker 1: it a bright line, then toxic users will go right

566
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Speaker 1: to exactly where that line is and say, great, okay,

567
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna hang out here on this line and

568
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: troll because that's how they get satisfaction. So it's actually

569
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Speaker 1: beneficial to have the gray line. So I totally understand

570
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Speaker 1: the gray line. Even our laws in the United States

571
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Speaker 1: have a gray line usually get interpreted by judges or

572
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Speaker 1: juries or whatever. You so that's helpful. But I think,

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Speaker 1: and this is where the tech optimist tomy comes in.

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Speaker 1: When I look at the next generation of consumer social

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Speaker 1: these apps, and every app starts with teens, usually girls,

576
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Speaker 1: college age girls. They drive all online culture and adoption.

577
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Speaker 1: You look at Instagram success, you look at Snap success,

578
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Speaker 1: you look at TikTok success.

579
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Speaker 4: It's the same story.

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Speaker 1: Then the apps that are starting to make traction, and

581
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Speaker 1: it's still early days, but they're much less based even

582
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Speaker 1: the ones that have blown up and fallen back down,

583
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Speaker 1: the be Reals of the World and some of these others,

584
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Speaker 1: they're all much less based on the sort of Internet

585
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Speaker 1: popularity contest, and they're much more based on connecting with

586
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Speaker 1: your actual friends. One that I recently seeded is called

587
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Speaker 1: air Buds, and it's only about connecting over the music

588
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Speaker 1: you're listening to, and it's purely like this is the

589
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Speaker 1: song I'm streaming right now on spotify, react to it,

590
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Speaker 1: vibe with it, share tastes. You know, it's I think

591
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Speaker 1: the culture has already now built up enough of an

592
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Speaker 1: immune system that for this next generation, they're like, there's

593
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Speaker 1: a pushback to the previous mold of social and I

594
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Speaker 1: think that alone will drive a much more healthy relationship

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Speaker 1: to social media.

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Speaker 4: But we'll see.

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Speaker 1: But that is the ends through which we look at

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Speaker 1: even making the investments. It's okay, you know, when my

599
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Speaker 1: kids are old enough, how good am I going to

600
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Speaker 1: feel about this being a multi billion dollar business that

601
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Speaker 1: they're own. Yeah, And look, admittedly you cannot predict that

602
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Speaker 1: it is. There are so many different paths a company

603
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Speaker 1: can take, any any idea can take from day one

604
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Speaker 1: to ten years out, fifteen years out, twenty years out.

605
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Speaker 1: But we make the best assessment we can based on

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Speaker 1: the founders, based on their attention and have Like I said,

607
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Speaker 1: the starting line that these founders are on today is

608
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Speaker 1: much more sophisticated than I was as a first time

609
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Speaker 1: CEO right out of college, because they, like social media

610
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Speaker 1: didn't exist. We had web forums. Facebook was still in colleges.

611
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Speaker 1: There were a lot of blogs, like it was just

612
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Speaker 1: a very different world today. Any founder pitching us has

613
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Speaker 1: lived on social media, and they've seen the good and

614
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Speaker 1: they've seen the bad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I was going to ask you that actually is whether

617
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Speaker 2: you whether you decline investing in companies that you wouldn't

618
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Speaker 2: let your kids use.

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Speaker 4: Has it happened there? Okay? There have been companies where we.

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Speaker 1: Haven't even taken the pitch just because and again I

621
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Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to get too high

622
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: horse about it. No one's out here saying like, Okay,

623
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Speaker 1: I guess there were There was one company that I

624
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: hard passed on well whatever I can say it. They

625
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: were a telehealth business basically like handing out adderall and

626
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: the business was growing very quickly, but there was no

627
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Speaker 1: way they were doing it responsibly. And that was a hard, hard,

628
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: hard pass. Like it was both from a I wouldn't

629
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Speaker 1: feel good about my kids using this, also just from

630
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Speaker 1: a risk standpoint, like at some point the FDA is

631
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Speaker 1: going to look at this and y'all are going to

632
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Speaker 1: have a bad time. Spoiler, the FDA did come down

633
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Speaker 1: pretty hard on them, but we do. I guess I

634
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Speaker 1: would take though it's the more optimistic version of that,

635
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Speaker 1: which is what I'd be excited to see this exist.

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Speaker 4: In the world that our kids are going to grow

637
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Speaker 4: up in.

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Speaker 1: And if it's a one hundred percent reusable rocket company,

639
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Speaker 1: which we did see called Stoke Hell, yes, like one

640
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Speaker 1: hundred percent reu. So now you're talking about when there's

641
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: an environmental benefit to it. And two, the things we'll

642
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: be able to do for all of us here on

643
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Speaker 1: planet Earth when we have a much better, smoother relationship

644
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: to low Earth orbit will be very good for humanity.

645
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: But there's a there's a version for that, but it's

646
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Speaker 1: I think it's the it's the more sort of positive lens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

648
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Speaker 1: The very interesting thing about founders today as well, they

649
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: are more sophisticated. They also know just how big of

650
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: a role technology plays in the world. And I know

651
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: people would get on Zuck for his like Aweshuck's behavior

652
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: probably in the earlier days where he just didn't it

653
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Speaker 1: seemed implausible that he could not realize how much power

654
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Speaker 1: Facebook has, and I will say, to his credit, I

655
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Speaker 1: think his tune changed on that. And also in his defense,

656
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: none of us did the idea, if you told me,

657
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: probably in most of the aughts, throughout most of the

658
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Speaker 1: aughts and probably even the early teens that these social

659
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: media platforms would be among the most valuable businesses in

660
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: the world. I would have been very, very, very very surprised.

661
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: And you know, they made some smart m and a moves,

662
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: They did the things, but like for all of us,

663
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Speaker 1: or I can speak for myself, but I would wager

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Speaker 1: Jack feels the same way with Twitter. In those early days,

665
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: in those odds, you know, it was about building something

666
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Speaker 1: that you hoped people loved. It was about keeping the

667
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: servers online. It was not about, well, what is going

668
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Speaker 1: to happen if all of a sudden there is an

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Speaker 1: election that could decide that there's an election whose fate

670
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: could be decided based on whether or not a post

671
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Speaker 1: goes up or not.

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Speaker 4: Like it would be laughable to have that conversation in

673
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Speaker 4: a boardroom ten years earlier, because it's like, hey, we

674
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 4: might die next month.

675
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: The company may not be here next month. But credit

676
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: to this generation of founders. Every one of them knows

677
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: going into it, Hey, technology is shaping far more than

678
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: It's not just these are the most powerful companies in

679
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: the world or in our economy, but there are repercussions

680
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: to it, and I think by and large, we want

681
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: the good stuff to win but these founders today are

682
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: much smarter about it.

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Speaker 2: Did you and the other founders at that time ever

684
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Speaker 2: come together, because I imagine you were the only people

685
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: in the world who understand each other. I understand what

686
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: you're building and going through. Did you ever get a

687
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: chance to.

688
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: I was not invited to those meetings, if they were happening. Admittedly,

689
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: Reddit was this very solidly tier two company, right like

690
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: we you know, selling the company sixteen months in was ludicrous,

691
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: but it was life changing money. It was just ten

692
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: million dollars for sixteen months worth of work. I thought

693
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: I was getting away with something. This is nuts. And

694
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: then part of Conon asked, you know, the jectory just

695
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: sort of changed from when you're an independent startup, and

696
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: so Reddit was really solidly a second tier social media

697
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: platform for over a decade, and then it wasn't until

698
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: you know, so twenty fourteen, I come back, and then

699
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: probably by the late teens once it's like, oh here

700
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: it's a billion dollar company again.

701
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 4: The business is back.

702
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: Let's you know, there's a path to an IPO one day,

703
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: and so it if those meanings were happening, whether it

704
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Speaker 1: was not invited, but rightly so, I wouldn't have been.

705
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: I get it, we didn't have our shit together, but

706
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Speaker 1: there's probably I don't know. I I've gotten to know Jack.

707
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Speaker 4: A little bit. I don't really know Zuck, a few

708
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 4: of the other folks around these other platforms, but like,

709
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Speaker 4: there isn't there's not a group chat.

710
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a group chat, there's not already. No, there's the subreddit.

711
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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: I love it, Alexis. I want to, you know, even

713
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: just listen to you now. The way you think is

714
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: is mind blowing, It's fascinating. Think everyone's listening right now

715
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: is probably tuned into just you know. I think it's

716
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: always brilliant to dive into that mind. But I also

717
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: want to focus on your personal side today because I

718
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: feel that a lot of what's not seen in entrepreneurship

719
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: is we get to see someone's brilliance, but we don't

720
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: often get to see their the personal sacrifices, the journeys,

721
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: the choices, the child does that come with that until

722
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Speaker 2: many years after. And I actually want to go even

723
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Speaker 2: before ready, I want to go back to your childhood.

724
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Speaker 2: And I wanted to ask you, like, what's a childhood

725
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Speaker 2: memory that you have that you feel has played a

726
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: role in defining who you are today? Is there something

727
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: that stands out?

728
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's my first one of my first and

729
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 4: earliest memories. So I was.

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Speaker 1: Probably like six five or six years old, and so

731
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Speaker 1: if you cancel from the last name, I'm Armenian and

732
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: my great aunt Via pulled me aside. So my birthday

733
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Speaker 1: is April twenty fourth, which is the it's the Armenian

734
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Speaker 1: genocide remembrance day. So it's a conflicted day for me.

735
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Speaker 1: But this particular birthday, I learned that it was the

736
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Speaker 1: genocide remembrance day.

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Speaker 4: How did I learn?

738
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Speaker 1: I remember my aunt Viverra pulling me aside and basically

739
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 1: sitting me down and walking me through our family's story

740
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: of survival in detail, talking about the costs, the toll

741
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Speaker 1: it took, the things that her parents endured and what

742
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: they saw and all of that, and basically how we

743
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Speaker 1: got to America. And probably not a conversation you should

744
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: be having with a six or seven year old, but

745
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: our meetings would keep it real. She basically finishes up

746
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: this conversation saying, listen, it's not a coincidence your birthday

747
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: is April twenty fourth. You are the product of all

748
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Speaker 1: of their sacrifice. Of all of their hard work, of

749
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: everything that they endured, you have a tremendous responsibility now

750
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: to make the most out of this life that you have.

751
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: When I was born in New York here in the States,

752
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: like couldn't ask for a better outcome, right generations later,

753
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: but what they endured is something that you will have

754
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: to carry for the rest of your life. Happy birthday

755
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: and so yeah, no, that has never left me. And

756
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Speaker 1: she was an amazing woman. She was a public school

757
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Speaker 1: teacher in Brooklyn. Didn't have any kids or she was

758
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: my grandfather's sisters, my great aunt Vera. She didn't be

759
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: kids herself, but she saves up as much money as

760
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Speaker 1: she could. She's the reason I could go to college.

761
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Speaker 1: I want to University Virginia without taking on any debt.

762
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Speaker 1: She paid for that allow and so amazing woman. She

763
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Speaker 1: framed that for me at a very very young age.

764
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Speaker 4: And so.

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Speaker 1: I am very fortunate. I had an amazing, loving mom.

766
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: I have an amazing loving dad. I had the ultimate

767
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Speaker 1: cheat code having that foundation. You know, grown up as

768
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Speaker 1: as a white dude here in the States at a

769
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Speaker 1: time when technology was starting to rep my parents put

770
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: some money together to let me get a computer all

771
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: that stuff lined up, and then it was imbued with

772
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: this responsibility that I probably will never escape. For better

773
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: or for worse. It's always going to weigh on me.

774
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna feel like I've done enough. And I'm

775
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: not mad about it. I'm grateful for because I think

776
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: that brokenness has made me who I am and it

777
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: helps me do the things I do. But it instilled

778
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: something in me that I just feel a tremendous responsibility for.

779
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 4: And so I don't know.

780
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: I think I've probably spent you know, I'm forty one now,

781
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: I've spent three decades trying to earn that and I

782
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: still haven't. And I will probably spend three more decades

783
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 1: trying to earn that, and I still won't, and it'll

784
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: be a part of me that's always feeling not that

785
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: it's not good enough, but that I have not done enough.

786
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: And I know this is a story shared by plenty

787
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: of folks who are descendants from survivors of genocide and whatnot,

788
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: but oh man, it just it always hits, and it's

789
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: like I feel, And it's this juxtaposition, right, because I

790
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: go through my life largely stress and anxiety free, right,

791
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: and I'm aware of that and I'm grateful for that.

792
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: And then there's moments where I sit with it and

793
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm just like I can still hear i can still

794
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: see on uh telling me this, and and I'm like, like,

795
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: keep going, like do better, Like you're not there there

796
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: is you have a responsibility, like do more. Needless to say,

797
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm being very I'm very careful with explaining like I

798
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: want our I want Olympian Ader of course to be

799
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: proud as our meetings they're only a quarter but still

800
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: our meeting that got the last name too. I want

801
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: them to be aware of this stuff and be proud

802
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: of their family. And obviously their mom is gonna have

803
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: some some big, big stories for them too. But I'm

804
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: also trying to be mindful of the fact that like

805
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: maybe I'll wait until after you know, they're a little

806
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: older to really going to the details of it. But uh, yeah,

807
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: it's these things shape us man, And I, like I said,

808
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: I am I mean, she could have just got me

809
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: a normal birthday gift, but but I'm still I'm grateful

810
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: for it.

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Speaker 3: Isn't very still with us.

812
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 4: She's not, she's not.

813
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: She got to see me graduate from college, which was awesome.

814
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: She was there in Charlottessviil for that and uh, yeah, no,

815
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Speaker 1: it's wild.

816
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 4: I've never I don't know, I think you know.

817
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: One of the big things I did a few years

818
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: back was I joined the board of robin Hood, the

819
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: nonprofit in New York, and made a big grant to

820
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: childcare there in the city, in part because it was

821
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: there in Brooklyn. When my mother and father were working

822
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: at the Ashland Place apartments there in Ford Green On

823
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 1: Vera would pinch hit and just watch me and stuff.

824
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Speaker 1: So when my parents were at work and all that

825
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: as a little kid, and so childcare makes a huge difference.

826
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Speaker 1: And we were lucky enough to have a family member

827
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Speaker 1: just across almost across the hallway and another building, and

828
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Speaker 1: so I wanted to pay it forward, and that was

829
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Speaker 1: an honor her.

830
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 4: That was a tribute to her. But like I said,

831
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Speaker 4: I'll be paying that back for the rest of my

832
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 4: life for sure.

833
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 3: That's beautiful.

834
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: I love hearing that and it must have thought so

835
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: meaningful to be able to go back and say there

836
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Speaker 2: and have an impact there.

837
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Speaker 1: I took my pops back too, and we were walking

838
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: around the four Green's changed a lot since the eighties,

839
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: but the block is still there, and it was great

840
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: taking my dad through there, just hearing stories from him,

841
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's wild. Then you become a parent and

842
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: you start imagining you see this little person and you're

843
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: reminded that you were that little person once to your parent,

844
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 1: and it makes your relationship to them feel very different.

845
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Speaker 4: It was a trip, but it was great to be

846
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 4: able to come back. And I'll, like I said, I'm

847
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 4: paying off those deaths the rest of my life.

848
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were saying that, you know, maybe now in

849
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: your life you can go stress free and you know

850
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: there are days where you're not feeling that, But in

851
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: the beginning days of Reddit, it.

852
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: Wasn't like that in your personal life.

853
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've mentioned to me, and you know when we

854
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: were talking before we started recording this, there were certain

855
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: things happening in your personal life when you began that

856
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: maybe if you've revisited, you'd look at them differently.

857
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: Could you walk us through what was.

858
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: Going on and how you dealt with it at the time.

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Speaker 4: First of all, yeah, well I dealt with it very poorly.

860
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: But so for the first twenty years of my life,

861
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: like I said, I mean awesome, like no real strife.

862
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: I was ready to take over the world, Like I

863
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: felt so confident in our ability to build this business,

864
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: so excited and gosh, Like, two months in to starting Reddit,

865
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: fresh out of school, my then girlfriend, who was a

866
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: year younger than May, she was studying abroad, she had

867
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Speaker 1: a pretty serious accident, big fall. She was in a

868
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Speaker 1: coma flatxgo seor. She survived, she made a nearly full

869
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: recovery actually, but the like the first month two months

870
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,479
Speaker 1: of why Combinator was this, And you get that phone

871
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: call and you're like, and again, I was very lucky.

872
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: I'd never had a phone call like that before in

873
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: my life. And you get that phone call and it

874
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: guts you, and you're on the first plane to Germany

875
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 1: and you're trying to just make sense of the world. Right,

876
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: this person you love, this person you care about. And

877
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: another month or two later and then I get the

878
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: call that my mom has had a seizure and she's

879
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: been diagnosed with a terminal brain cancer glioblastoma multi forma

880
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: stage four, And there's the words you don't want to hear,

881
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: and you know that that was really the crippling blow,

882
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: where you know, here was someone who I'm an ad

883
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: a like I said, great relationship both with my parents,

884
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: but like definitely.

885
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 4: A mama's boy. And I was an only child. What

886
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 4: can I say? I was pretty cool? But now she was.

887
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 4: She was amazing.

888
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: And the first thing I did when I saw her

889
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: so I flied out of Baltimore. First thing I did

890
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: when I saw was asking, you know, how are you?

891
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: How's everything going, how are you feeling? And her first response,

892
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: first words out of her mouth, where I am sorry.

893
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 4: And I was like, what do you mean? You don't

894
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 4: mean sorry?

895
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: And she's like, well, I know you're starting this company,

896
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be a CEO right now. You got

897
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: to focus on Reddit, don't focus on me. And I

898
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: know how much of a distraction this is going to

899
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: be for you. And you hear something like that from

900
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: someone who you love so much, who's already given you

901
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: so much man, and and I thought, I was like,

902
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: I'm the life person you should be, Apoli. You should

903
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: not be a politizing to me right now, like focus

904
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: on yourself please, Like I'm gonna be fine. You owe

905
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: me nothing, You've already given me everything. And that's emblematic

906
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: of who she was. What it did was it gave

907
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: me a confidence I knew I there was no way

908
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: Reddit would fail, no way, no chance I was gonna

909
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: let it, no way it could possibly not succeed, because

910
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: she she blessed it with that. She she really, even

911
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: in those situations, still still was looking out for her

912
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: little boy above herself. And you know she fought for

913
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: another three four years she got to see me sell Reddit.

914
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: It had a lot not gonna lie right. You know,

915
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of tech, a ten million dollar

916
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: exit is minuscule for sixteen months worth of work. Pretty

917
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: good ROI. But to be able to make that call

918
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: to my mom to say, hey, your faith in me

919
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: paid off, Like what can I buy you?

920
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: Was worth everything.

921
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: And then true to form, true to form, like I

922
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: knew I was gonna get my dad some season tickets

923
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: for our local NFL team there true to form, though

924
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: my mom was like I don't want anything. I'm like, no, no,

925
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you do this. Come on, what

926
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: do you want? She was like, I don't want anything.

927
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: And I ended up making a donation for her to

928
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: her favorite nonprofit. She was like, all right, if you're

929
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: gonna have to give me something, you can do that.

930
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

931
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 4: And I was so mad.

932
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: I was so mad because I'm like, lovingly, I was like, God,

933
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: there's no way I'm ever gonna top this. Like you

934
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: realize you have set the bar so high that if

935
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: I ever have kids, I am going to be chasing

936
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: that goal.

937
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 4: But that, like I said, that's who she was. That's

938
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 4: all she cared about. She was.

939
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: She was an undocumented immigrant. She was an no pair

940
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: from Germany who overstayed her visa because she fell in

941
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: love with my dad, this Armenian American here in the States.

942
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, they eventually got married, had me, but.

943
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: She, you know, she worked the jobs she needed to

944
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: work to pay the bills and do the things. And

945
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: her number one, I mean her. I think anyone would

946
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: have told you the most important thing to her was

947
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: her family. And you know I was an only child,

948
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: so I got all the shine from that. But that

949
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: was the foundation, man. And when folks want to know

950
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: how or why all this stuff, man, I pointed to her, Sorry, dad,

951
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: you get some credit to But having that confidence, having

952
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: that support, having that on wavering when I told her,

953
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: I told this woman I wanted to be a professional

954
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: waiter in high school because I was so good serving

955
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: at pizza hut souse. I worked pizza in high school

956
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: and I was a dishwasher. Then I was a cook

957
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: and then those deep the deep dish pizzas are a sleeper.

958
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,479
Speaker 1: I'll make them at home now with the cast iron.

959
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 4: They're good.

960
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: And eventually I made it as a serving and I

961
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: was I was pretty good. At my boss Tony, he

962
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you know what, instead of going to college,

963
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: I think you could do this full time, like you're

964
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: really good. And I was like really and he was

965
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: like yeah. And I was like, I could move to

966
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: New York and he's like, you can move to New York.

967
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: You can make a great career out of this, and

968
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: h and So I remember going home and tell my parents.

969
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm thinking about not going to college.

970
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: And the last thing you would tell on Armenian dad

971
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: is that you're not gonna to go to college, just

972
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: to be clear. And my dad, to his credit, didn't

973
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: say anything. My mom though, so sweet. She was like, look,

974
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: whatever you do, I know you're gonna be the best

975
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: at it. I know you're gonna work your hardest. Why

976
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: don't you start with a budget and figure out what

977
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: it would cost to live there, and then how much

978
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: you'll get paid and see if that's something you want

979
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: to accomplish. And thankfully my add brain switched pretty soon thereafter.

980
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: But like, this was a woman who, no matter what,

981
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: was gonna support whatever I was doing. And then when

982
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: it just so happened to be a tech startup, she

983
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: was like great. She literally the first person to buy

984
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: our merch, the first person to post on God. There

985
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: are comments from my mom on tech Crunch circa two

986
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: thousand and five that no one else would notice, but

987
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: I know because I can see her user name and

988
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: it's the most like crazy German mom English you can imagine,

989
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: but it's the sweetest thing.

990
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 4: And like she was a ride or.

991
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: Die and so that was the that was the bar

992
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: I had, and so even when those things came up,

993
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: I just knew I can't quit. Now Here's where I

994
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: looked up was I mean intense compartmentalization, and it was

995
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: what I felt I needed to do at that time,

996
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: which was, let me just use work as therapy. Let

997
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: me just work my ass off, because I cannot work anyone.

998
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: And if I've got her pulling from me, I will

999
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 1: crush any competitors.

1000
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 4: I know.

1001
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: My co founder wasn't really equipped to have those conversations

1002
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: or really be a support at all. But I mean

1003
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: we were kids, right, and so I just decided work

1004
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: is the therapy, and for the next ten years, you know,

1005
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:43,959
Speaker 1: really did not think about explore, delve into anything other

1006
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: than I'm just going to do my work and I'm

1007
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: gonna Obviously, I took as many AirTran trips home as

1008
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: I could to spend time with my mom and dad

1009
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: on weekends, but like, let me not go any deeper

1010
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: than yeah, here's this shitty thing. I'm going to compartmentalize

1011
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: it and just focus on the tasks at hand. And

1012
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: there were areas, Look, I think compartmentalization gets a bad rap.

1013
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: I do think there are areas where it's actually tremendously helpful.

1014
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: But with some Now my my take is a little

1015
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: bit more nuanced, where I think with some work it's

1016
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: good to go into the box to rearrange some stuff,

1017
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: to sort through some stuff, to organize it. But I

1018
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: actually think there is a value to having some stuff

1019
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: in boxes and to compartmentalize, because I also don't want

1020
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: to spend my days like reliving and rehashing and just

1021
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: analyzing those experiences. Right, I'm not doing her any favors, right,

1022
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: Her greatest joy was seeing me be successful as a CEO,

1023
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: as a startup founder, and whether it was Reddit or

1024
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: anything else, that's what mattered. And so it's a shame, right,

1025
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: she hasn't gotten to see me get married. She hasn't

1026
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: gotten to see me have kids. She hasn't she'd have

1027
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: been an amazing grandmother. She hasn't gotten to see me

1028
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: build a lot of businesses I've built. She's saw me, though,

1029
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: live my dream. And when I decided it was time

1030
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: to build my own venture firm, I took the lessons

1031
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: from those days a y combinator because Jay I agonized

1032
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: over a two hundred dollars plane ticket on air tran

1033
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: to Baltimore because we only had seventy two thousand dollars

1034
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: in the bank. We didn't raise that much money. This

1035
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: is a very different era. But even if we had

1036
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: raised the normal round today it would be maybe a

1037
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: few million dollars. I still don't want a CEO deciding, God,

1038
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: this is going to cut our this is going to

1039
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: hurt our burn, Do I really want to take that trip?

1040
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: And we built a program into seven seven six specifically

1041
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: say there are tens of thousands of dollars a founder

1042
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: can use that we are paying for it's coming out

1043
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: of our fees, for their wellness, their development, any caregiving

1044
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: needs like we've had founders use this to pay for

1045
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: a babysitter and a date night with their partner awesome.

1046
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: We've have founders use it for you know, therapy, for

1047
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 1: executive coaching, for surfing lessons, right if it helps them

1048
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: find their focus, find their balance, be better founders. For

1049
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: early stage companies, that's often the entire business is the founder.

1050
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: And if y Combinator had had a program like that,

1051
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: I think it would have made all the difference. And

1052
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: it's not to slight them. They didn't know what they

1053
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: were doing. They were building the firm for the first time.

1054
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: But I want to do seven to seven six differently,

1055
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: and not because it feels good, but because I actually

1056
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: think it will drive better outcomes. It will mean better leaders,

1057
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: better managers, better founders, which will lead to healthier organizations,

1058
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: which I think will lead to more returns. And these

1059
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: are the ways that we're trying to learn from those experiences.

1060
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: And I speak with founders to this all the time,

1061
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: especially at the early days. But it never goes away,

1062
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: but especially the early days, so much of the company

1063
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: takes on your neuroses. You like you are setting so

1064
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: much of the culture and don't even realize it, even

1065
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: just the way you show up on a zoom call, right,

1066
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: because you're the founder, you're the CEO, like you are

1067
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: dictating so much of how other people are going to move.

1068
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: And once you repeat those behaviors over and over again,

1069
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: what you've done is created a culture, intentionally or not.

1070
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: And so your baggage, your challenges, the things that you're

1071
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: not addressing and working through to be your best are

1072
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: going to be inherited by your team. And that's again

1073
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: none of this is this isn't This is the souleest

1074
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: capitalist talking here, right. I think there's a fantastic emotional

1075
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: argument for it and a health argument for it, But

1076
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: I always try to come first from just the business argument,

1077
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: because if it makes sense for business, then it's a

1078
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: no brainer. Then obviously, if it's going to be for

1079
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: your health and wellness envelopment, then you should do it.

1080
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: But I do think it has a bottom line impact.

1081
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: I really do.

1082
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 2: What was the behavior you saw in yourself that you

1083
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 2: had to readdress or check yourself that you felt was

1084
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: seeping into the culture and any of the companies you've got, Oh,

1085
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: I got that.

1086
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 4: So here I'll give you an example. Let it illustrate it.

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00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: So like two years into condon Ast when there's the

1088
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: meme in the.

1089
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 4: Silicon Valley show of resting investing.

1090
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: So normally when a founder gets acquired, they just hang

1091
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 1: out of the company and just they don't do anything

1092
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: and they earn out and they leave. But again not

1093
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: me crazy, so like I want to keep shipping, I

1094
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: want to keep building things.

1095
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 4: And instead of actually.

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00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: Making the case for the engineering team to go and build,

1097
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: in this case, it was a mobile app. So if

1098
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: you can believe it, in two thousand and nine ten,

1099
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: there was this new thing called the iPhone and some

1100
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: people were talking about how it was going to be

1101
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: the future of computing. Now, I was one of those

1102
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: people who hook line and Sinker was like, this is

1103
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: a big deal and if we're building Reddit to be

1104
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: like the destination for what's new and interesting on the Internet,

1105
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: we need a mobile app.

1106
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 4: Now.

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00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: Engineering team did not agree because the way things had

1108
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: always worked, it was fine on the browser, worked great

1109
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: on the browser. The company was growing, Why change it

1110
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: if it ain't broken. And instead of doing what I

1111
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: should have done, which would have been better leadership, which

1112
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: is actually bring folks in, win them over, make the case,

1113
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: get the buy in, and then change the product plan,

1114
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: I just hired a freelance team to go and build

1115
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: it because I made a half step of an effort

1116
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: to make the case and do the right thing, as

1117
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: like a mature manager. And when I wasn't getting the

1118
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: progress I wanted, my impatience on my relentlessness was like,

1119
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: we're just going to I can hire other people to

1120
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: build it.

1121
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 4: We'll just build it. And it worked.

1122
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: We shipped it, read it had a mobile app called

1123
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: I Read It, and it was doing well. I was

1124
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: really happy with that pun. I hope people would say

1125
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: I read it on Reddit. I don't know if anyone's

1126
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: ever said that, but that was the hope. But then

1127
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: a year later I leave, You know, the handcuffs had

1128
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: come off and fully vested. And then what happened. The

1129
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: app died because there was no one left to support

1130
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: it and there was no institutional buy in. And so

1131
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: imagine four years later, five years later, I come back,

1132
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: and now it's twenty fourteen and everyone knows you need

1133
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: a mobile app. You have to have a mobile ap

1134
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: and the culture i've read it is still solidly desktop

1135
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: is only what matters.

1136
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 4: Why do we need a mobile app? And I'm like,

1137
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 4: I failed, Like I failed.

1138
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: We had this five years ago, and yet here we

1139
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: are and we actually now need to do it right

1140
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: this time, Actually get the buy in, actually bring in

1141
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: the folks. Actually finally shipped app probably a year later.

1142
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 1: But it that so it was an unwillingness to actually lead,

1143
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: and it was a relentless desire to just keep moving

1144
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: forward with or without an actual team. And that is

1145
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: a terrible way to be a CEO.

1146
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:15,760
Speaker 4: Terrible.

1147
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: It's something, frankly, I think I still struggle with in

1148
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. I will never be hanging out

1149
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: on a beach. I will never retire. I love the

1150
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: work that I do. Yeah, if I do it well,

1151
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: I get very well rewarded for it, and that helps.

1152
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: But it's not about that I love the work that

1153
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: I do. It's very satisfying. It's it's something I genuinely

1154
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: would want to do all the time. And my wife

1155
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: knows this, and you know, she's someone who knows a

1156
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: thing or two about relentlessness and hard work. But even

1157
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: she would admit and has has said on numerous occasions

1158
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: at the dinner table that like, there's sometimes I take

1159
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: it a little too far, swear to God. And I

1160
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: actually had I had an LP so one of our investors.

1161
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: So about ten percent of the money we invest out

1162
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: of seven times six is my money, but then ninety

1163
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: percent of it is from institutions, universities, all values aligned,

1164
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: good folks. And I had one of our LPs casually

1165
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: be like, oh, hey, I heard you were or I

1166
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: saw you were at the Olympics, look like it was

1167
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. And I was like, are you

1168
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: implying that I was just hanging out the Olympics for

1169
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: two weeks? And he's like, no, it's the summer. I

1170
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: totally get it, Like it's fine. But and I as

1171
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: I was retelling this story to my wife, and she's like,

1172
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: I will literally call him up because they know each other,

1173
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: it be casual, and I will assure him that I

1174
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: have countless times complained about the fact you were working

1175
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: too much. And I'm like, baby, from any partner that

1176
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: would be powerful, but coming from you, right, it carries

1177
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: a lot more weight. But the reality is I love

1178
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: this and unlike being a professional athlete. I get to

1179
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: do this forever as long as my brain's working right.

1180
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: I have compounding that I get out of age and experience.

1181
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: And it's the unfair advantage of all of us where

1182
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: not professional athletes, is that we actually continue to compound

1183
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: the expertise over time and get to keep doing the

1184
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: thing that we loved in our twenties, in our thirties

1185
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: and our forties and our fifties. And it's a great blessing.

1186
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I have this, and I think the

1187
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: downside has been historically making sure I was either I

1188
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: was building teams and building organizations that were aligned with this.

1189
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: And that was a big part of the decision four

1190
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: years ago to say, Okay, you know Caitlin, who I

1191
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: founded seven seventy six with, she had joined me early

1192
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: in the Reddit turnaround almost know that time was like

1193
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: six years earlier. I know she's got the same whatever brokenness,

1194
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: that relentlessness, that hunger, and having a partner like her,

1195
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: and then Lizzie who also came over now she runs

1196
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: my foundation. Those are the folks I just want to

1197
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: spend the rest of my years building with and working with.

1198
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: And that's not a judgment like y'all got to find

1199
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: whatever you need. And I think one of the things

1200
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: that always gets so twisted because I am look hashtag

1201
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: business dad. I'm out here making pancakes every Sunday for

1202
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: my girls. I do crapes on Saturdays. Post it on

1203
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: social Yes, I've gotten into smoking meats lately, and I'm

1204
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: very proud of that. But like all things on social media,

1205
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: you're seeing a curated version of the things. But the

1206
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: promise that I made to my kids is the same

1207
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: promise I make to my team, which is like, I'm

1208
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: sorry to my childhood friends, but I'm like, when I'm

1209
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: on the clock for work, I'm going to show up

1210
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: here the best way that I can. When I'm on

1211
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: the clock for my family, I'm going to show up

1212
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: there the best way that I can. And that's frankly,

1213
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: all the bandwidth I have in my life, and I

1214
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: think one of the areas I should be investing more into,

1215
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: and maybe there'll be a time, But it's the relationships

1216
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: I have with other men.

1217
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 4: And these are the guys. I've known them since I

1218
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 4: was five. These are my best friends. We're in the group,

1219
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 4: chat daily, we see each other Now maybe once a year,

1220
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 4: twice a year, but I, and you know, I got

1221
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 4: to organize it.

1222
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: I organize a really proper guys trip at least once

1223
00:59:58,320 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: a year.

1224
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 4: Now we've added a second one.

1225
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: But that's the one area where I know I've made

1226
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: a sacrifice and I've just said, look, this isn't a

1227
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: part of the equation anymore. We used to play video

1228
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: games all the time. After school, we get off the bus,

1229
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: we go to Mike's house, fire up GoldenEye, and then

1230
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: sixty four wouldn't do my homework.

1231
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 4: But that's chatter my life. That's closed. And now I

1232
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 4: have to make these trade offs.

1233
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: And so when I always get a little miffed when

1234
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: people twist it as like, oh, this guy is not

1235
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: that serious, and it's like no, Like there is nothing

1236
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: wrong with caring about being the absolute best at work

1237
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: and also for your family. Those things should not be

1238
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: mutually exclusive. And I don't know how we created this

1239
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: myth that it had, Like, yeah, it sucks. There's no

1240
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: such thing as balance. You've got to figure it out.

1241
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: You're always never doing enough. But hell, modern women have

1242
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: had to endure this for quite some time now, and

1243
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: I think only recently.

1244
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 4: Has it come up for dads.

1245
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: But I'm glad it's getting talked about more and I'm

1246
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: fine with the juxtaposition.

1247
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I feel like that lack of

1248
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: presence bleeds into the other area anyway. So if you're

1249
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 2: at work and you're not present, you can't suddenly be

1250
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 2: present at home, Yes, And if you're absent at home,

1251
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: you can't suddenly be present at work because our mind

1252
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 2: doesn't have an on and off button that just switches

1253
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 2: on and off as quickly as that. And so hearing

1254
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 2: that makes a lot of sense to me. Why why

1255
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 2: are those male relationships are important to you at this stage?

1256
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 2: Like why are they valuable? And why does it feel

1257
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 2: like there may be a time where they're needed? Like

1258
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 2: what would they serve you with? Like how would that

1259
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 2: help you?

1260
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 4: Now? Humility?

1261
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: I mean, these are the guys who still like they'll

1262
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: give me shit all day long, and that's great because

1263
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: I need it sometimes and it's helpful also knowing these

1264
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: guys for as long as I have, it's one hundred

1265
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: percent genuine and you see it right like you get

1266
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: as you find success, as you find fame, as you

1267
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: find wealth. There's a difference in the relationships there's always

1268
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: this like is a little bit raised eyebrow, right, And

1269
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: I know how or I've seen how isolating that can

1270
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: be for folks, and I've never wanted that for me.

1271
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: And one of the things I've always appreciated is that

1272
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: these guys have been my best friends, like I said,

1273
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: since I was a kid. And when we get together,

1274
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, the only things that that's changed is that

1275
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: we're older, we got some we got some money now,

1276
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: But like we're it's the same bullshit and they treat

1277
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: me exactly the same way. And like I said, it's

1278
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: a good humbling thing to have your friends talk shit

1279
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: to you on the group chat. I think male companionship

1280
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: is underrated, and like I said, it's the one area

1281
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: where I know I could be doing more work the challenges.

1282
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: A lot of us have young kids right now, and

1283
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: that again it's the priority I think. I think it'll

1284
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: shift again when I've got teenagers and they no longer

1285
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: want to hang out with me. But all you know,

1286
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: almost all of us have kids that are young, and

1287
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: we get it. We'll bring we'll bring the gang together,

1288
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: but we live in different places.

1289
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 4: And it is what it is.

1290
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: And then candidly, one of our guys, Adam suddenly had

1291
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: a heart attack and he was training. He was the

1292
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: most fit out of all of us. He was at

1293
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: the gym, his heart gave out and he passed on

1294
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: the way to the hospital.

1295
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: And then again you get that fucking phone call and

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01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: you're just like, no, this is a joke, Like there's

1298
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: no way, no chance, no chance. And that was a

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01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: wake up call for me. And you know he didn't

1300
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: have children. But we're all looking around each other at

1301
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: the funeral, and again a lot of us with kids

1302
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: just thinking like Christ, like we we have to show

1303
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: up in such a big way for these little humans.

1304
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: And you can't help but take it to that selfish place,

1305
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: right and be like I deeply missed this guy, and

1306
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I owe it to him. Like I said,

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01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: he was the most fit out all of us. This

1308
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: dude crossfiting, I mean. And Adam was, to his credit

1309
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: to man, the guy always was down. It did not

1310
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: matter what it could have been. Let's just go see

1311
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: a dumb movie on a Tuesday night. He always always

1312
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: was a strong yes and that mindset and this is

1313
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: something I always try to take and I've tried to

1314
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: tell founders this too, Like it's not my quote, but

1315
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: it's the one about the average of your five closest friends.

1316
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: And I think a lot about this because, like you know,

1317
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: these guys, we've all had very different lives. There are

1318
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd start a company with any

1319
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: of these guys, but there are attributes about each one

1320
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: of them that I find really remarkable. And those are

1321
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: the things that I keep in mind when I'm like,

1322
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: one of the reasons I love staying close to you guys,

1323
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: is I care about you. I love you like we've

1324
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: known each other through so much. We've I we've done

1325
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: a lot together, We've experienced so fucking much, and there

1326
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: are still parts of you that just make me want

1327
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: to get better. And for Adam, it was the relentless

1328
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: commitment to his health and fitness, and I just I

1329
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: couldn't help but think, God, I really got to get

1330
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: my life right. And I started with the whole battery

1331
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: of tests, Like I'm getting blood work, see he scanned,

1332
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: doing all the heart like everything I can now and

1333
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: really rigorously. I'm not a hypochondriac, but I'm like, I

1334
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: need to get some basslines. I need to be checking

1335
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: up on this. I need to actually be like making

1336
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: like thoughtful visits to the doctor fairly regularly because and

1337
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: as a dude, you're just like whatever, the cultures put

1338
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: some dirt on it and you're fine. And like, that's

1339
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: how I lived for forty years. And that was the

1340
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: wake up call. And I feel like I owe it

1341
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: to him. And so when I get up in the

1342
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: morning and you know, I'm like, okay, I drag masked

1343
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: the gym, I'm like, come on, show up, keep going,

1344
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: man like, do it for Adam. It's a thing where

1345
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: now it puts a framing on all the times we

1346
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: get together because we know at some point it'll be

1347
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: the last one that someone is going to be there,

1348
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: could be us. And and so again we're not I mean, look,

1349
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: we're still doing the same dumb shit like we were

1350
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: at a brewery in Baltimore last time. Like it's not

1351
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: who We're not that sophisticated about it. But I'll tell

1352
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: you what, though we've gotten a lot smarter as we've

1353
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: gotten older, I think we have gotten a lot better

1354
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: telling one another actually how we feel, which is again,

1355
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: this is a nuts thing for you. Talk to my

1356
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: twenty year old self, like would you imagine yourself having

1357
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: like thoughtful conversations about like life with your guys And

1358
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: the answer would have been no, of course, not like

1359
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: we're talking about football or video games or girls. But

1360
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,479
Speaker 1: that's been a nice part of getting older is now

1361
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: there's more depth to this relationship, Like we have true,

1362
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: true trust and intimacy, and we have this feeling like

1363
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: I can literally tell this person everything because he's seen

1364
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: me at my best and my worst, and like this

1365
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: is my boy, right and that unlock gives me something

1366
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: that powers me up for you know, however long it

1367
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: is until I see them again. And when I think

1368
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: about what is missing right now, I think about all

1369
01:06:55,120 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: of the young men who don't have great role models

1370
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: and can now access any role model they want, but

1371
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: they are going to default to the junk food. And

1372
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: that's not a judgment. It's the same reason I really

1373
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: want to pick up the snickers right instead of whatever

1374
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: the better choice is. There's an intellectual version of that

1375
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: junk food that exists, which is not nourishing, it's not

1376
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: actually helping you grow, and it's trying to fill avoid

1377
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: you have a hunger for this thing.

1378
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 4: And I think men in particular the shadow of all

1379
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 4: of the.

1380
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: Emphasis being put on women is that so little attention

1381
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: has been put on our young men. And I would

1382
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: love to see not attention taken away, but more attention

1383
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: found to be placed on talking about young men, supporting

1384
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: young men, because and there have been so I was

1385
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: briefly a Kiva fellows. I volunteered for Kivo when I

1386
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: left read it the first time. So it's in Armenia

1387
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: working with entrepreneurs, and it was amazing. One of the

1388
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: lessons they take away from that is is women entrepreneurs

1389
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: anywhere in the world are a far better investment than

1390
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: men because the money that you invest in them, that

1391
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: they use to help build a business oftentimes gets reinvested

1392
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: more often than not in the family, in the community,

1393
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: versus if you do it for men, some of the

1394
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,520
Speaker 1: money goes to the family, communities, some of the money.

1395
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 4: Goes to the local bar, local establishment, whatever.

1396
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: Like Basically, investing in women in emerging economies just has

1397
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:26,839
Speaker 1: a bigger impact on society.

1398
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 4: And it kind of tracks.

1399
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: It's a generalization, but I think we're sitting here going yeah, okay,

1400
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: that kind of tracks. But then you go a step

1401
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 1: further and it's like, Okay, under duress, and this is

1402
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: closely related. Women tend to endure a lot better than men,

1403
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 1: and this is one of the reasons why when you

1404
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: look at prisons, you look at terrorist organizations, you look

1405
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: at when people are pushed to extremes disproportionately men that

1406
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: end up not turning out well. So I think we

1407
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: have an imperative here where if we have a generation

1408
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,560
Speaker 1: of young men who are feeling disabion, who are feeling demoralized,

1409
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: who are feeling this insecurity, this deep, deep, deep pain,

1410
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: like we all have an incentive to make sure that

1411
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: they're getting that high protein diet of things that will

1412
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: actually help them be better and actually give them a

1413
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: path towards self improvement and give them a path towards

1414
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: being successful, viable members of society, because unlike women, they're

1415
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: not going to handle that well. And so I can

1416
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: make the case from a a value standpoint, like, hey,

1417
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: I think it's important to support these young men, but

1418
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: I also would make the case just from a societal standpoint,

1419
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,799
Speaker 1: like it is in our best interests for public safety,

1420
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: for all the things to make sure we get those

1421
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: sort of that generation back on track. And I think

1422
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: it starts with conversations like this between high profile men

1423
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 1: who've had success in their careers, who can talk about

1424
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: and normalize a lot of this stuff, because at the

1425
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: end of the day, if we don't have those examples,

1426
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: what else fills the gaps?

1427
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 4: And I don't like the alternatives that fill the gaps.

1428
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: And what's wild is, you know, I didn't really have

1429
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: and I very much broke into tech and business and

1430
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: learned a ton. And every time I keep going up

1431
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: and I tell the guys this all the time. I

1432
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: keep leveling up, right, and I keep meeting new people

1433
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: and sort of getting another peak behind the curtain of

1434
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: like how the world works or how business works and

1435
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 1: all that stuff. And it's been eye opening because like,

1436
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,560
Speaker 1: their's shit. I would if I just could tell my

1437
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: fifteen year old self and be like, don't do that.

1438
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: That's stupid, Like there's actually a smarter way to do that.

1439
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: And I hope to always keep feeling that to some extent.

1440
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: But as I keep doing that and keep meeting more

1441
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: and more folks, I have yet to meet one who

1442
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 1: doesn't have this level of introspection and depth. And I'll

1443
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: tell you it's most telling. Among the billionaires who are

1444
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: now grandparents, men who have achieved everything you could hope

1445
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: for in business, doesn't matter the industry who are looking

1446
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: at their grandkids as a second chance because they didn't

1447
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 1: get to or didn't want to, or weren't just didn't

1448
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: all whatever we want, call it spending that time with

1449
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: their own kids, and they're so grateful for that second chance.

1450
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: But I keep looking at all these stories from men

1451
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: who I really, really really respect, and the ones who

1452
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 1: feel like they've had the most fulfilling life, all keep

1453
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: coming coming back to human experiences they have with loved ones,

1454
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 1: with family, And like I said, I got a much

1455
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: smaller scale version of that with my own mom, who

1456
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 1: never wanted for anything. And when you get to spend

1457
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: time with folks who have a few years left to live,

1458
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: it becomes very telling, and especially to do it in

1459
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: my twenties, full of all that youthful vigor and vulnerability,

1460
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: to get humbled and see someone who does not care

1461
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: for anything other than the experiences she had and the

1462
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: humans she loves. Bro That was probably one of the

1463
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: greatest gifts she could have given me, was that perspective,

1464
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: so that when I did find wealth, when I did

1465
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: find notoriety, I'd be lying if I said it doesn't

1466
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: affect me in some way. It's sure it affects me,

1467
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: But I have never never gotten a twist about what

1468
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: actually mattered. And I've never wanted for notoriety or fame.

1469
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: I've never wanted for wealth. I've wanted for things that

1470
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: helped me get more time with the people I care

1471
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,440
Speaker 1: about and make me feel like I am living a fulfilled,

1472
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 1: like a fulfilled and purposeful life that's providing value to people.

1473
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 4: And that was a gift she gave.

1474
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: And so I don't know the more that we can

1475
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: normalize this stuff, especially among folks, and I say men

1476
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: in particular, about all people, but especially men who have

1477
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 1: reached the highest levels. I want that eighteen year old

1478
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: or that sixteen year old, that twelve year old to

1479
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: be watching or looking and going like, hey, all right,

1480
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 1: these guys are talking about stuff that feels like it

1481
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: has substance, that has meaning and has purpose, and there's

1482
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 1: still the ass kickers in the day job whatever it

1483
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,440
Speaker 1: is across the industry, like these things are not mutually exclusive,

1484
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 1: and I just I want to see more of those

1485
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: voices like yours get amplified because it's I think it's very,

1486
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:52,480
Speaker 1: very important.

1487
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 2: And I love that where you said that juxtaposition again,

1488
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 2: the ability to be a killer in the workplace, a

1489
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 2: brilliant leader, a powerful individual, and at the same time

1490
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 2: being able to be empathetic, passionate, vulnerable. That's the power

1491
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 2: is always in the juxtaposition, right. You look at it

1492
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 2: in anything, whether it's a community, a company, an individual.

1493
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 2: And I think a big part of that, going back

1494
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 2: to what you've been talking about, is also seeing men's

1495
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 2: relationship with their wives. Like I think that's a big

1496
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 2: part that For years when we were talking about the

1497
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 2: lack of role models or the lack of the ability

1498
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 2: to look at something, it sounded like your parents had

1499
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:32,839
Speaker 2: a wonderful marriage and yeah, and demoed a beautiful connection

1500
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 2: in front of you that you got to see. With

1501
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 2: you and your wife having such busy lives, having priorities

1502
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 2: both of you professionally, partnerships, places to be, travel and

1503
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 2: then you've got kids, how have you found a way

1504
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 2: to prioritize each other with the million things going on?

1505
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: That is at the crux of of I think every

1506
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: conversation we ultimately have a couple, which is it's funny.

1507
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,719
Speaker 1: I'm very obviously high tech. She's very low tech. Sometimes

1508
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 1: it literally comes down to calendaring and making sure, like

1509
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,799
Speaker 1: if I had my brothers, it would all be digital.

1510
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: I finally got Serena to modernize a little bit, and

1511
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: now we have a giant, like a dry erase board

1512
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: calendar that sits at the dinner table where she'll put

1513
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: in her schedule and then I have to go, and

1514
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 1: usually I'll take a photo of it to send in

1515
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: my admins.

1516
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 4: And then we'll write in mail.

1517
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: At least we have one shared space where we know, like, Okay,

1518
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: Papa's out of town for this business trip, Mom's going

1519
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: to this thing. And it is the hardest thing. It

1520
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: is explicitly creating date nights. I mean, it's funny. It's

1521
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: the same tactics that you'd hear any couple talking about

1522
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 1: with a therapist about like, hey, what are the ways

1523
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 1: to keep the relationship going, the romance all that stuff,

1524
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: And it is definitely amplified in all kinds of ways

1525
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: with a higher profile relationship. But the other reality is

1526
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: so Serena's been working since she was a kid, right,

1527
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,839
Speaker 1: like tennis was not. I mean, it is a sport,

1528
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 1: but like it's a job. Right, the amount of hours

1529
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: she's putting in the responsibility as soon as she started

1530
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 1: like playing, like playing, playing with tremendous responsibility. So you know,

1531
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm married to someone who has been working for thirty

1532
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: five thirty six years and who had a childhood and

1533
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: I think Serena would say like was a great childhood,

1534
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: not a normal childhood. But now she's evolved her word

1535
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: into you know, she's still got businesses. Just launched this

1536
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: beauty brand, win shameless plug great brand, and so she's

1537
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 1: still doing business things, she's investing, but she also loves

1538
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 1: I mean, she's her class she's the classroom mom for Olympia.

1539
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: She gets to spend so much of her time now

1540
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: being an active and super engaged mom for her kids.

1541
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,600
Speaker 1: And I can't and I've told her this too, can

1542
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: up but feel like this is a chance for her.

1543
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: She's on the other side of it now. But to

1544
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 1: live that life that you didn't really have, which was,

1545
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: you know where your number one job as a kid

1546
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: is just to go to school, learn things, hang out

1547
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: with your friends. And who knows, if Olympia keeps going

1548
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: with the tennis or the golf, we'll see. But she's

1549
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: relishing that opportunity, and so that helps me a ton,

1550
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: because right, that's ironically that's the thing that I grew

1551
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 1: up with, the boring, typical suburban lifestyle that most people

1552
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: in my position, myself included, will spend a lot of

1553
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: their lives trying to maybe not get or run away

1554
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 1: from because they want something else. And yet here she is,

1555
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: having gone to the top of the mountain, achieved everything,

1556
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: and that's actually the thing she loves most. And so

1557
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: how we make it work, it's all it's banal stuff.

1558
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: It's like making sure we prioritize. It's trying to figure

1559
01:16:54,280 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: out and also decoding the differences. Obviously an interracial relationship,

1560
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that'll surprise anyone. And as a white

1561
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:08,640
Speaker 1: dude married to a black woman, you have a societal

1562
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: golf right between us in terms of the ways we've

1563
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: experienced our lives right in the American hierarchy of things, Like,

1564
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, we have very different lived experiences. You just

1565
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: set us out obviously the fame, notoriety, career stuff, but

1566
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: like even if we just operated this life as two

1567
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 1: random people with our makeups, we'd have very different points

1568
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: of view, experiences all that stuff, and it's probably the

1569
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: hardest and best element to the relationship, where like the

1570
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 1: table stakes are, we love each other, We've made two

1571
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: incredible humans together. We will do anything. I mean believing

1572
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 1: that too. She jokes that I'm like the psychopathic dad.

1573
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: Like there's an Armenian dad meme in here, by the way,

1574
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: Like we're very protective of our kids, but she's super mama.

1575
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 1: So like we have things that we care so so

1576
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: deeply about that we know we're on the same team for.

1577
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: And so it's probably the best way of all the

1578
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: ways to be checked on, like a blind spot. Let's say,

1579
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: it's best to have it come from someone who you

1580
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,839
Speaker 1: know cares so much. And that's where the growth happens.

1581
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 1: That's the tension. And so like if I say something

1582
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: or do something and again nothing crazy here, but like

1583
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: if I say something or do something and she's able

1584
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: to shine a light on and be like, hey, did

1585
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 1: you notice blah blah blah, or hey, this is like

1586
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: bringing up these things to help me have better awareness,

1587
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: because look, I got two black daughters. I want to

1588
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 1: make sure I'm showing up the best way I can

1589
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 1: for them. It helps because I still feel that pain

1590
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm not a racist, I'm not a

1591
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 1: bad person. But then you sit with it for a second,

1592
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, just hear this feedback, right, And it

1593
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 1: reminds me it's just like going to the gym. You're

1594
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 1: pushing some weight and you're trying to get to that

1595
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: next level and it's going to hurt because that's where

1596
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:03,799
Speaker 1: the muscles tear, but that's where it grows back stronger.

1597
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: And so I feel the same way when I take that,

1598
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, Okay, fight the impulse, don't be defensive

1599
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: and just listen and here and try to understand. And

1600
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 1: I will say, though it's and I've talked to other

1601
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: folks in interracial relationships, it is definitely there's a dynamic

1602
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: there that creates new challenges or even I think any

1603
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: cross cultural relationship creates those challenges.

1604
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 4: I bet I don't know if I was.

1605
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,600
Speaker 1: I guess I'm a weird mid Atlantic guy, but the

1606
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 1: difference is to me and even a white person from

1607
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 1: Appalachia is going to have those cultural challenges, right, But

1608
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: across those lines, that's where you get again with a

1609
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 1: relationship built on love, you get this opportunity to say, okay, like,

1610
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: let me try to learn and try to be a

1611
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: little better. That I think helps. But like I said,

1612
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: it's probably the worst part is the dynamic. There's a

1613
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: reason we live in the middle of nowhere of Florida.

1614
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: Like I love being here in La but like I

1615
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: think we live in such a weird culture that you know,

1616
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: the celebritization of things is just it's different. And one

1617
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,879
Speaker 1: of the things that we always wanted for our girls

1618
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: is for them to have I mean, they're not going

1619
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: to have a normal life, but to not be living

1620
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: in it and to have the ability to do that

1621
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: from you know, sort of the middle of nowhere Florida

1622
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: has been probably the biggest secret weapon.

1623
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 3: What did you.

1624
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 2: What I love though, is the awareness you have of

1625
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,639
Speaker 2: the upbringing you had and how that's impacted you now

1626
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 2: with you wanting the opposite.

1627
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 3: And how the upbringing.

1628
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I love that awareness because it's such a

1629
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 2: subtle point, but it's such a powerful one because it

1630
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 2: sounds like you both accept why you're wired the way

1631
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 2: you are. Because I think it could be really tempting

1632
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 2: to project and hope that, well, you know, Alexis has

1633
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:55,759
Speaker 2: achieved everything too, so shouldn't we both just let everything

1634
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 2: go and just be home with the kids, or you

1635
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 2: to be like, well, you've achieved so much, we should

1636
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 2: just be going for the next mountain, which I think

1637
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,879
Speaker 2: we do a lot with our partners where we reflect

1638
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 2: what stage of life we're on. Like I remember when

1639
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 2: my wife and I first met, I was ambitious and

1640
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 2: driven and she was definitely the homemaker and curator. And

1641
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 2: then as I've become more set in my world and

1642
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 2: have more time, my wife's career has like really taken

1643
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 2: off and she's really found her purpose and it's amazing.

1644
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 2: But I just love watching her flourish. So even though

1645
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 2: I have more free time to be able to spend

1646
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 2: together now than I did eight years ago, I recognize

1647
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 2: that watching her grow and watching her thrive is actually

1648
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 2: the most inspiring thing. And now that just because I

1649
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 2: have more time doesn't mean she has to adapt and

1650
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 2: adjust around that.

1651
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:48,679
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I find.

1652
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 2: It's a really but it's such a common thing I

1653
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:52,600
Speaker 2: see where it's like, I wish you were at the

1654
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 2: stage of life that I'm at, and that seems to

1655
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:57,759
Speaker 2: be the hardest, most impossible thing to demand.

1656
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 1: You know, the challenge I had in previous relationships, the

1657
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 1: general theme was.

1658
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 4: I knew I was super ambitious.

1659
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: I was very upfront about it, but it still doesn't

1660
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: really land until three months in, six months in, nine

1661
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: months in and you realize, oh, this guy is not

1662
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 1: going to change. And it seems like a fun thing

1663
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 1: for a little bit, and then at a certain amount,

1664
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: like eventually push comes to shove and there's a gap

1665
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 1: because they didn't get it. And again, I don't think

1666
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 1: that's a right or wrong here, but it's an incompatibility.

1667
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: And part of what attracted me so much to Serena

1668
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 1: was the fact that I knew we would never have

1669
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 1: this conversation about like, well, why do you have to

1670
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 1: do this thing? Or why is this so important? Or

1671
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 1: like why what do you mean you have to get

1672
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: this done tonight? Like that could never happen because of

1673
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 1: everything she had to do in order to achieve the

1674
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 1: heights that she had gotten to. And so that to

1675
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:58,679
Speaker 1: me was already very appealing because I was like, Okay,

1676
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: this is table stakes. I found someone who has clearly

1677
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,759
Speaker 1: even more ambition than me, who has achieved so much

1678
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: and in a way so I don't know if I'd

1679
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: say the same thing if I were an athlete. I

1680
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 1: think that might have been harder. But to be with

1681
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 1: someone like Serena, right, that's like literally one word, like

1682
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 1: you don't even need to say her full name. It

1683
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: is tremendously liberating because I know, and also because of

1684
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 1: who we are and where we come from. Jay, there

1685
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: is literally nothing I could do. I could one day,

1686
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 1: god willing, I.

1687
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 4: Will be a billionaire. I will never run for president.

1688
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 1: But let's say I could be a billionaire who runs

1689
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: for president, and I'll still be Serena William's husband or

1690
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 1: Serena's husband. Right, I could be I could be an astronaut.

1691
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:48,759
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. It literally does not matter.

1692
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: And part of that is a testament to like where

1693
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: she started, where she got, what she did, all those

1694
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: doors that she opened, all those things. And so in

1695
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: a way it's kind of liberating as a suite ambitious person,

1696
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 1: especially in a society where like it's a meme just

1697
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:09,799
Speaker 1: to literally say, oh, that guy is comfortable being called

1698
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: Serena William's husband. Now, candidly, if we live an ideal world,

1699
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 1: no one is anyone's anyone, right, But I do appreciate

1700
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: I understand why the Internet finds that really exciting and interesting,

1701
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 1: But the bigger story here is the fact that if

1702
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 1: you have this kind of partnership you're talking about, you're

1703
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: able to let one another flourish at those things at

1704
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 1: that time when they're ready. And maybe I didn't see it,

1705
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I missed out on some great relationships earlier

1706
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: because it wasn't there at that time. But at the

1707
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: end of the day, one of the best parts, you know,

1708
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: dating Serena while she was winning Grand slam after Grand slams,

1709
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 1: breaking every record, doing all this stuff with Olympia and

1710
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 1: her belly, I might add, you know, the pinnacle of

1711
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 1: sports excellence, and then also seeing her now like making

1712
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 1: cinnamon rolls for the second grade class, Like both of

1713
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 1: those things bring me someonech s joy and frankly, I

1714
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 1: love seeing the ladder more because it doesn't come with

1715
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: all the baggage of being the public persona that you

1716
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 1: just have to endure doing that job. And I know

1717
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 1: she doesn't miss it at all for those same reasons,

1718
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 1: and I think that's I don't know, that's been why.

1719
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 4: It's just, I don't.

1720
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 1: Know, been an easy transition for her, and frankly, been

1721
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,600
Speaker 1: a lot of fun to see this evolution for me.

1722
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 3: How did you meet.

1723
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: Six months into the Reddit turnaround, I was burnt out

1724
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: and my head of comm said I needed to go.

1725
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 4: She was like, go to Italy and I was like what.

1726
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 4: And she's like there was a speaking gig that wanted

1727
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 4: me there, and I was like sure. I was like,

1728
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 4: wait no, but this is a boondoggle, like there's no point.

1729
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 4: We're not ready to like win over marketers. She's like,

1730
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 4: just do it please, like you need a day or two,

1731
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 4: just go. I was like, all right, fine, I go.

1732
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:51,520
Speaker 4: I flake out.

1733
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 1: On the conference that first day and I just find

1734
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 1: a cafe and I started doodling, working on some sketches

1735
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 1: for product stuff. I meet up with a friend of

1736
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: a friend and very random, they just walked in and

1737
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, can we use the table. I'm like sure,

1738
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: get some drinks. We're out that nine till like three

1739
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: in the morning, and I get home hung over. The

1740
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 1: next morning, I need coffee. Addicted, go downstairs. I say, sir,

1741
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 1: breakfast is over, but if you want coffee, can go

1742
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 1: sit by the pool. I go sit by the pool.

1743
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 1: I take up my laptop and there's a table next

1744
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 1: to me. The Australian. There's an Austraining at the table

1745
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: tells me to move. He says, there's a rat at

1746
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: the table. I say, I'm not afraid of rats. From Brooklyn.

1747
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 1: I see rats all the time. He's like, I might

1748
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 1: as a rat. You better leave and I was like, no,

1749
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 1: thank you, I'm good and I was just working. And

1750
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: then the lady next to him turns around.

1751
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 4: It's Serena and she's like, oh, you're not afraid of rats,

1752
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,719
Speaker 4: Like no, not. If you don't bother them, they won't

1753
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 4: bother you. And she's like, oh, you're here for the

1754
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 4: tech conference and I was like I am. She's like,

1755
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 4: you here to see someone speak in particular. I said no,

1756
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 4: I'm speaking. She was like oh, She's like, what's your company?

1757
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 4: I was like Reddit and she she lied. She's like,

1758
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 4: oh yeah, I read it. She had never heard of it.

1759
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: And we started talking and she said, listen, the rest

1760
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 1: of my team was going to use this table, So

1761
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 1: can you just move when they get here? And I

1762
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: said no, but like they can join me and we'll

1763
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 1: all just have breakfast and so exchange numbers. And I

1764
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: saw her play later that night in Rome and that

1765
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: was the start of it all. So it's breakfast at

1766
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:25,879
Speaker 1: a Hotel, the Cavaliery in Rome, great breakfast, wonderful truffle omelet, Okaserie.

1767
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 1: If you want to get the Alexis special, it's the

1768
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:28,799
Speaker 1: truffle Omelet.

1769
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:30,719
Speaker 4: That's a great, great omelet.

1770
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 3: I love it, Alexis.

1771
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 2: It's thank you for Sharon that it's beautiful to you know,

1772
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 2: just even how you're speaking about your wife. And again

1773
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,759
Speaker 2: going back to that point, we were talking about having

1774
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 2: positive conversations in that way of you know what a

1775
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 2: healthy relationship looks like, challenges, ups and downs, difficulties of

1776
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 2: course with any relationship. But you know, one of the

1777
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 2: things that I wanted to ask you about that before

1778
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 2: we get to the end of our conversation is this idea.

1779
01:27:57,560 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you were very humble a few seconds ago,

1780
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 2: and it's beautiful to see you have reached. You know,

1781
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 2: you've created something that in and of itself is a

1782
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:11,799
Speaker 2: word right Like it's like read, it is recognizable, used,

1783
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 2: it's in pop culture, like, it's everywhere. Like you've built

1784
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 2: something that is fully recognizable, let alone recognizable just everyone

1785
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,839
Speaker 2: knows what it is. And then Serena has this incredible success.

1786
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 2: Of course, no need to explain. How do you both

1787
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 2: think about defining success for your kids and the pressure

1788
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 2: that obviously will naturally sit on them with whatever they do.

1789
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 2: And then how do you think about defining success towards

1790
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 2: your futures as well together and as individuals, because you've

1791
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 2: both had an experience so much success.

1792
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:49,799
Speaker 4: With our kids.

1793
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: It's the cliche you want to be happy, productive members

1794
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 1: of society. I mean that, like i'd say, the other

1795
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 1: wrinkle I'll put on there and I tell them in

1796
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: biaus all the time, and I will tell Adira again, she's.

1797
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 4: Just one, she's doing her best. She's an active kid.

1798
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 4: Yes it's six. I'll sit her down.

1799
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 1: But like whatever they want to do, I have zero tolerance.

1800
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 1: I should say, we have zero toms for them not

1801
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 1: trying their absolute best. Again, I know that seems cliche,

1802
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 1: Like I don't even let Olympia say can't.

1803
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:21,879
Speaker 4: We'll see how long that lasts.

1804
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:23,600
Speaker 1: But I will not let her say can If she

1805
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 1: says can't, I'm like, what was it? We don't we

1806
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 1: don't say that word like that because I don't. I

1807
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 1: don't even want her uttering that she can't do a thing,

1808
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 1: like you can choose not to do it, but we

1809
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 1: don't say that. We don't say that word. And I

1810
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: try to reiterate to her. I want her to love

1811
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 1: the act of trying.

1812
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 4: We used to do.

1813
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,679
Speaker 1: There's a there's a YouTube channel. There's a few actually

1814
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 1: that'll do these drawing classes. And I'm pretty good drawn.

1815
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: I made the Reddit logo Snow, I drawed the pancakes,

1816
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 1: and and during COVID, I was like, Hey, we're gonna

1817
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 1: do drawing class. Pop can do our class. I can

1818
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 1: do math in English, but art's more fun. So we're

1819
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 1: gonna do our classes together. And you know, early on

1820
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 1: she'd be like, wow, Papa, you're really good at trying.

1821
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 1: And I'm like, do you think I was born this way?

1822
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 1: And she was like maybe, And I was like no,

1823
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 1: it's like Papa practiced. Papa drew a lot. And I

1824
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 1: want even for mundane things like hey, we're drawing Princess Peach.

1825
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:20,679
Speaker 1: I desperately want her to take only one thing away,

1826
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 1: which is even the stuff you think your papa is

1827
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 1: great at, he sucked at when he started, Even the

1828
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 1: things your mama is great at. Maybe she didn't suck

1829
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 1: at when she started, but like she had to learn,

1830
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:32,680
Speaker 1: she was bad, she had to get better. You might

1831
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: have some natural inclinations here and there for different stuff.

1832
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:38,480
Speaker 1: But I want to see her get comfortable with failing

1833
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:42,680
Speaker 1: and struggling and then improving. Getting her into golf has

1834
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 1: been opened. I had never played golf, but Uncle Tiger

1835
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: gave me some clubs for her, so I was like, letpe,

1836
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 1: you got to play golf now.

1837
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 4: And we go to lessons every Sunday.

1838
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: And that actually has been a great sport for humbling

1839
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 1: and for getting her comfortable with the process, because it's

1840
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 1: such a brutal, hard sport and you have to get

1841
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 1: comfortable with failure and messing up. And she'll still it's funny,

1842
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 1: She'll whack at one hundred yards. I'll be so proud

1843
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: of her, and then she'll totally whiff on a ball.

1844
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,719
Speaker 1: And once she got so upset she almost she almost

1845
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:15,600
Speaker 1: pulled the Serena. She pulled the club up and was

1846
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:18,639
Speaker 1: about to smash it. I was like, Olypia just casually

1847
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 1: put the thing down. I was like, oh, you got

1848
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 1: that Serena in you. But you see that, and you

1849
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 1: see she's she's got that tenacity and she is so

1850
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 1: hard on herself when she doesn't get it right. But

1851
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:30,640
Speaker 1: I need her to sit in that and soak that

1852
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 1: up and get okay with it so that whatever she

1853
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 1: does again, if she it changes every week. Veterinarian fashion designer.

1854
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 1: Right now, she wants to be a singer. I'm like,

1855
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 1: I don't care what it is, you just need to know.

1856
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 1: I'll like what you love that Beyonce video. How many

1857
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: hours do you think Beyonce spent rehearsing the dance moves,

1858
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 1: rehearsing that song, singing over and over and over and over,

1859
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 1: like do not get seduced?

1860
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 4: And it's crazy. I I don't know.

1861
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 1: I did not have anyone like sit me down and

1862
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 1: tell me that that explicitly. And maybe it just ruins,

1863
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 1: maybe just ruins life.

1864
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:06,559
Speaker 4: We'll see.

1865
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 1: But I need her to know anytime she sees excellence,

1866
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 1: the only reason she's seeing is because of countless, countless

1867
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 1: hours of trying and failing and practicing that led up

1868
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 1: to it that no one saw, that no one cared about.

1869
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 1: And you know, with her mom as an example, she's

1870
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 1: got the goat of a role model and she does

1871
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: do tennis now twice a week.

1872
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 4: I think, I mean, she's got some good athletic jeans.

1873
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 4: Let's be honest.

1874
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,799
Speaker 1: No, but she might I don't know if she plays sports.

1875
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 1: The goodness is her mom will be able to have

1876
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 1: a conversation with her early on about just what it's

1877
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 1: going to take and if she wants to do it,

1878
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: God Blessed will support.

1879
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 4: Her, you know. But I I'm not worried. It's weird.

1880
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 4: This is not a thing. Okay.

1881
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I used to be pretty

1882
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: I don't want to say anti rich people, but like

1883
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,720
Speaker 1: I distinctly remember going to UVA and I went to

1884
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 1: some good public schools in Howard County, Maryland, like they

1885
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 1: were fine there, but I got to I played football

1886
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 1: with kids who had free lunches and kids whose parents

1887
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:06,680
Speaker 1: were lawyers. So it's like I got exposed to a

1888
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 1: pretty decent range of kids, which was great. And then

1889
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 1: I got to UVA and I finally met like rich

1890
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 1: people and it was so excited because I was like,

1891
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 1: these kids are so soft. I was like this is

1892
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: going to be great, like this is my competition, Like

1893
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: this is phenomenal.

1894
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 4: And it tracked. But I now I'm like.

1895
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 1: On the other end, and I'm not trying to It's

1896
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 1: not for sympathy here, but like there is I am

1897
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 1: much more appreciative of the challenges that wealthier families have

1898
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 1: making sure their kids have have it, have that grit,

1899
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 1: have that whatever you want to call it. And so

1900
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:45,600
Speaker 1: that's something we're acutely aware of and mindful of and

1901
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 1: hoping for. And like I, like I said, I want

1902
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: to Limpy to work. Either it's got to be either

1903
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 1: a retail job or food service, like some kind of

1904
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 1: service job for sure, like high school. Like it's good

1905
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 1: enough for Papa, it's good enough for you, Like I

1906
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 1: need you to experience these moments and feel some kind

1907
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 1: of connection, like you're gonna have You're gonna be fine, right,

1908
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:09,960
Speaker 1: But I need you to be a productive members of society.

1909
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 1: I need you to be a good person. I need

1910
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 1: you to know the value of a hard day's work.

1911
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 1: And like I said, it's a weird thing to navigate. Obviously,

1912
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 1: Serena doesn't have any kind of equipment for that and

1913
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 1: everything her parents put up with in order to give

1914
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 1: her that life, Like it's a wild perspective, but that's

1915
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 1: it's something we actually think about and talk about quite

1916
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 1: a bit. And the good news is, you know, at

1917
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 1: least olympiad it is fun too. They're tracking to be good.

1918
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 4: Humans, which I feel like is number one, and that.

1919
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 1: If they can be good humans who are also productive

1920
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 1: members of society, Like I feel like we're living the dream.

1921
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 1: But there is that part of me that just thinks,

1922
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 1: like you want you want to create just enough for

1923
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 1: that strife to create that resilience and that ability to thrive.

1924
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 1: And it's so ironic because if you look at so

1925
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 1: many of the stories of excellence, there's always some version,

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Speaker 1: there's some part, there's something that happens that creates it,

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Speaker 1: and it's usually strife.

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Speaker 4: And so it's like, on.

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Speaker 1: The one hand, you don't want to, like part of

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Speaker 1: the reason you did the thing was so that your

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Speaker 1: kid wouldn't have to endure the thing, and yet you

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Speaker 1: still find yourself saying, God, I just kind of wish

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Speaker 1: they would have to endure some of that strife. But

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Speaker 1: it's that I mean, like, that's to me, that's actually

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Speaker 1: been one of the most satisfying parts of fatherhood is

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Speaker 1: seeing your kid fail and then seeing your kid get

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Speaker 1: it right. I get so much there's so much more

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Speaker 1: of a high from that than seeing my kid get

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Speaker 1: it right the first time. I really enjoy and I'm

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Speaker 1: not sadistic. I like it's it just feels like it

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Speaker 1: feels so much more satisfying because you're like, Okay, that

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Speaker 1: actually feels like a moment, will you There's some part

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Speaker 1: of you that just like a synapse fired and some line,

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Speaker 1: some dot in your mind connected with this other dot

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Speaker 1: where it's.

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Speaker 4: Like, Okay, I figured it out. I couldn't do it before,

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Speaker 4: I can do it now and it could be right now.

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Speaker 1: It's it's like multiplication and it's just being able to

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Speaker 1: start to see those dots really connect that I just

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Speaker 1: I love. It's very satisfying. It's like a Pokemon evolving

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Speaker 1: in front of your eyes.

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Speaker 3: I love it, Alexis, it has been such a joy.

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Speaker 3: So honestly, this has been amazing.

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Speaker 2: Just learnings from you from whether it's tech to AI,

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Speaker 2: to fatherhood, brotherhood to love is great.

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Speaker 4: This is great.

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Speaker 3: You're very kind. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: But Alexis, we end every on Purpose episode with a

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Speaker 2: fast five for a final five, which means every question

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Speaker 2: has to be answered in one word or one sentence maximum.

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Speaker 2: So Alexis, these are your fast five. The first question

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Speaker 2: is what is the best life advice you've ever heard

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Speaker 2: or received?

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Speaker 4: Be useful? It's ernold Schwarzenegger quote. Sorry, Arnold, I like it.

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Speaker 2: Second question, what is the worst advice you've ever heard

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Speaker 2: or received?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I didn't take it. I have to have taken it. No,

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Speaker 1: Paul Graham told me to get rid of the Reddit

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Speaker 1: alien and change the name to octopop. And I said, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm keeping snow and I'm going to keep calling it

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Speaker 1: reddit And that was a good It works out, Yeah, octopop?

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Speaker 4: Would you all be using octopop right now? And he

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Speaker 4: wanted to change the alien.

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Speaker 1: To an octopus. I'm like, Paul, come on, we're not

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Speaker 1: doing that. Brilliant guy, just not not great with the branding.

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Speaker 2: No question number three, if there's any other business dads

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Speaker 2: listening that are struggling with the business and being a

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Speaker 2: dad and trying to manage it all, what would be

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Speaker 2: your advice for them?

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Speaker 1: Aside from listening to my podcast? The goodness is there

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Speaker 1: are more avenues than ever because there are more and

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Speaker 1: more people talking about this than ever. What book were

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Speaker 1: we reading tonight? Like what are you most excited about?

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Speaker 1: And then when I'm on the clock for weekends in particular,

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Speaker 1: I really try to lock in and so it can

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Speaker 1: be whatever you need to do obviously your family is

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Speaker 1: going to have different prescriptions. But create those traditions, create

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Speaker 1: those routines. And that's one thing I would give advice

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Speaker 1: to myself at twenty about over again, when I had

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Speaker 1: more free time, when I had more youthful vigor, if

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Speaker 1: I had more discipline, I would have been ten times

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Speaker 1: more productive.

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Speaker 4: And it shows up in sneaky ways.

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Speaker 1: If if I had gone to bed at midnight because

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Speaker 1: I knew like my I was, the dimishing marginal returns

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Speaker 1: of my productivity were falling off a cliff and just

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Speaker 1: gone to bed, slept for seven hours, eight hours, and

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Speaker 1: then woken up and done the thing, I would have

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Speaker 1: done it in twenty minutes instead of staying awake for

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Speaker 1: another two and a half hours, Like, no, that's not.

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Speaker 1: Actually the best use of your time and discipline is

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Speaker 1: freedom and I never would have believed that in my

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Speaker 1: twenties or even in my early thirties, but becoming a parent,

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Speaker 1: that's the only way I'm able to do these things.

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Speaker 1: And that's not to say I'm perfect, But if you

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Speaker 1: can incorporate ritual routine even before you have kids, you

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Speaker 1: can be even better at what you're building. And then

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Speaker 1: once you have kids. It's it's kind of the only

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Speaker 1: way to do it. Frankly, I love it.

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Speaker 3: Question before, how would you do find your current purpose?

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Speaker 1: My current purpose is enabling a whole other generation of

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Speaker 1: entrepreneurs to do even bigger and better things than I did.

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Speaker 3: I love that's such a very answer.

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Speaker 1: And I mean it's it's also you sleep a lot

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Speaker 1: better at night because it's not your ass on the

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Speaker 1: line for every one of those companies too, So it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a blessed position of being.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: And fifth and final question we asked this to every

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Speaker 2: guest who's ever been on the show. The question is,

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Speaker 2: if you had to create one law that everyone in

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Speaker 2: the world had to follow, what would it be?

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Speaker 1: Okay, this one I cheated, and I wanted to have

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Speaker 1: one prepared that had been a good idea, But I

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Speaker 1: think the best thing I came back with was a joke,

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Speaker 1: which was, you know, everyone should be able to experience

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Speaker 1: the joy of making someone they truly love happy. You

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Speaker 1: talked about this earlier. Again, it's not really a practical law. No,

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Speaker 1: I like that, but I have never felt more satisfied

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Speaker 1: or happy, or richer or taller or what. I've never

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Speaker 1: felt more any positive feeling you could feel than when

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Speaker 1: I get the unsolicited I love you, Papa hug from

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Speaker 1: my daughter. And again it doesn't have to be your daughter,

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Speaker 1: be anyone. But like those moments for me are like

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Speaker 1: black tar heroin. I am addicted to it. And so

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Speaker 1: when I think back, hopefully as an old man one

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Speaker 1: day and I think about, like, what are the things

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Speaker 1: that really really made me so incredibly happy, it's going

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Speaker 1: to come back to those moments. And so I wish

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Speaker 1: that for everyone as often as humanly possible. And the

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Speaker 1: irony is right. It usually doesn't cost any money. It

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Speaker 1: means time, it means intentionality, it means other humans, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to keep getting really good at making artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want that to scare folks because I hope,

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Speaker 1: I really really hope and want to believe it gives

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Speaker 1: us more time for the human communing that far few

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Speaker 1: of us or not enough of us have a chance

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Speaker 1: to do often enough. So I don't know whenever you're

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Speaker 1: if you're breaking bread with people you love, Like I said,

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Speaker 1: these are all the things. Going going to a sporting event,

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Speaker 1: going to an Angel City match, you're you're enjoying these

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Speaker 1: moments of humanity with people you care about and uh

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Speaker 1: and and make an effort to tell those people, especially

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Speaker 1: men out there, dudes. Normalize telling the man in your

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Speaker 1: life that you love them, whether that's your father, your brother,

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Speaker 1: your best friend. You don't have to go buy a billboard.

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Speaker 1: You can if you want up to you, but like,

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Speaker 1: normalize having that conversation.

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Speaker 4: You will not regret it.

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Speaker 2: I love that, Alexis, honey and everyone business dad poscast

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Speaker 2: make sure you're subsided, right. And Alexis, I'm so grateful

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Speaker 2: to your parents. You know you carry them, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you carry them.

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Speaker 3: And their energy so well.

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Speaker 2: You can tell how deeply rooted their love is for you,

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Speaker 2: and the love that they had for the world that

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Speaker 2: seems to be oozing out of you. So it's really

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Speaker 2: beautiful to experience that today. And I'm grateful that you

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Speaker 2: came and spend these couple of hours with me.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much. This was awesome, man, Thank you,

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Speaker 4: thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to this conversation. If

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Speaker 2: you enjoyed it, you'll love my chat with Adam Grant

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Speaker 2: on why discomfort is the key to growth and the

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Speaker 2: strategies for unlocking your hidden potential. If you know you

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Speaker 2: want to be more and achieve more this year, go

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Speaker 2: check it out right now.

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Speaker 1: You set a goal today, you achieve it in six months,

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Speaker 1: and then by the time it happens, it's almost a relief.

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Speaker 4: There's no sense of meaning and purpose.

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Speaker 1: You sort of expected it, and you would have been

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Speaker 1: disappointed if it didn't happen.