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Speaker 1: I picked Boston in six. I thought they would win.

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Speaker 1: That was my draft Kings pick. I thought Jalen Brown

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Speaker 1: But I would start with that is that, you know,

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Speaker 3: It was everything that makes Porzingis great. And I'm glad

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Speaker 1: like he liked the physicality a pitcher that's better sixth

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Speaker 1: I felt like tonight was like Lucas Turn Kyrie's turn

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Speaker 1: I still feel like get a complete player, a completely engaged,

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Speaker 3: No, one hundred percent agree. I thought in the second

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Speaker 3: and that'll shine a light on some of his shortcomings

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Speaker 3: he's just he's the one guy on the roster that's

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Speaker 3: actually like a true top tier athlete, like Tatum's really big, yes,

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Speaker 3: because You're right, it did turn into kind of your turn,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember seeing Jalen Brown at Cal when the

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Speaker 1: they just end up they the points, like Jalen's points

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Speaker 1: I think Boston players will all take turns fitting wonderfully

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Speaker 3: Well, to put it simply, the reason why they're in

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Speaker 3: easy job, like just play up on him because if

427
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 3: he beats you off the dribble. No one's scared to

428
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 3: go bear, so Lively and Gafford are just waiting underneath

429
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 3: the basket to help you on the backside. That's not

430
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 3: how it's gonna be in this series. Luca's gonna have

431
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 3: to contain the basketball. It's gonna be a challenge for him.

432
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 3: And so I'm really really fascinated to see how the

433
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 3: matchups kind of shake out. I will say this and

434
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 3: I want to kick it to you just kind of

435
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 3: moving forward in the series. I there were a lot

436
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 3: of things that went Boston's way tonight. They came out

437
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 3: hair on fire and shot extremely well. A Dallas shot

438
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 3: very poortally. Luca and Kyrie both really struggled for the

439
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 3: most part. I thought Luca put up his points, but

440
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 3: he always does, but like he I thought, in the

441
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 3: key portions of the game, he struggled. And so there

442
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 3: is a very good chance that in Game two Boston

443
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,400
Speaker 3: doesn't shoot as well and that Dallas shoots better. Kyrie

444
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 3: Luca played better. So I think Game two is gonna

445
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 3: be a really close game, and I think it's gonna

446
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 3: come down to crunch time, and I think it's gonna

447
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 3: be one of the first pivot points of this series.

448
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 1: M I think this is gonna be an offensive series.

449
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:25,479
Speaker 1: I just you know, again, the NBA would prefer you

450
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: don't have four or five veteran offensive pieces. Like think

451
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 1: about this, Tatum's a one, Porzingis on bad teams is

452
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: a one or a one. A Jalen Brown on lesser

453
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: teams is a one or one. A Derek White's a

454
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: two on lesser teams. And if you look at Drew

455
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: Holliday when Chris Middleton was hurt, he was a two

456
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 1: last year for Milwaukee. Okay, that's like five guys that

457
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: could be a two or a one. We may not

458
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: see a lot of that, even even if on a

459
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 1: Denver Gordon's really any defensive guy who can score, but

460
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: you don't view him in that role. I like KCP,

461
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: He's not a two on any team in the league,

462
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: even the bad teams. So you get to a point

463
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: with Boston where I'm like the league is trying to

464
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: avoid that. They like the OKC model, get draft picks,

465
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: bill develop, you know, just that's what the NBA wants.

466
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: They want. They don't want you to go and cherry

467
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 1: pick people. I think the NBA loves the Knicks. You know,

468
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: if you have to move a Randall to get a

469
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: Paul George whatever, that's fine, but they don't want this

470
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: accumulation of like five guys. Like I watched tonight and

471
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, Dallas played old Clippers, figured it

472
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: out quickly young OKC. I didn't pick them to win

473
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: good series. But Oklahoma City's got a little Boston in it.

474
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: They can spread you out. You know. They're difficult young,

475
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 1: not as refined Boston. And I start watching this tonight

476
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you gotta kind of pick your poison

477
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: with Boston. You're really like, you know, I kept saying

478
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: Indiana is so terrible defensively, Yeah, but Boston's really good offensively,

479
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: and you're just like, come on, you got five guys

480
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: that could be a two. I mean, I don't think

481
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: most if you're a casual people don't understand how good

482
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: Derek White is. He's like all NBA defense. He's long,

483
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: he's smart, he can shoot, you know, his plus minus

484
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: his net rating. It's like I think Boston, I think

485
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: Dallas is gonna have their hands full. I just think

486
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: you gotta just a little bit when you play Boston,

487
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: you gotta cross your fingers a little. I mean tonight

488
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: Tatum wasn't scoring a lot, Porzingis was unstoppable. I just

489
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to overreact, but god, when's the last

490
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Boston has just rolled through the league since October?

491
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: I mean, at some point, how many times have I

492
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: seen them win by like twenty two this year? I

493
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: just I don't overreact, but it's like when they're Poorzingis

494
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: is hitting, Okay, I'm kind of screwed a little bit.

495
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: There's matchup issues everywhere.

496
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 3: No, You're you're absolutely hanging on and hoping that one

497
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: they miss shots and two they play stupid basketball, Like

498
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 3: you're you're actively hoping that they do that, because I

499
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 3: think we always they.

500
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: Did for about three minutes in the third court they did.

501
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 3: To start the third quarter, and then we got to

502
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: the time out, and like to that point, like that's

503
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 3: what's what's what's kind of fascinating, Like I don't think

504
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 3: anybody disagrees that Boston's ceiling is higher than everybody's. It

505
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 3: was always just about their kind of like maturity and

506
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 3: their ability to consistently reach that ceiling. What you brought up,

507
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 3: I think is really fascinating and I've been thinking about

508
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 3: this a lot over the course of the last week.

509
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 3: Anybody could have traded for Porzingis anybody could have traded

510
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: for Drew Holliday, Boston Kyrie or Kyrie. Boston already had

511
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: the most talented roster in the league last year. That

512
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 3: was something I said consistently. Now they didn't live up

513
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: to that potential, but like they were all well, Derek White,

514
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: Jason Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Al Horford and Marcus Smart that

515
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 3: was already, in my opinion, an incredible top five. And

516
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 3: Brad Stevens looked at this and was like, Nope, not enough.

517
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 3: And what's crazy here is like if they end up

518
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: hoisting the trophy, which you and I both believe they will,

519
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: like I think a good portion of the credit has

520
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 3: to go to Brad Stevens for basically being like, I've

521
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 3: got a couple of flawed stars. These guys need a

522
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 3: ton of support. Obviously, we're about to head into the CBA,

523
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: We're gonna have all these new restrictions. Let's put it

524
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 3: all in this year and let's see if we can

525
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 3: make a little bit of a run and like that,

526
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 3: like that's the thing, Like Boston outbid everybody for Christops.

527
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 3: They outbid everybody for Drew Holliday. And I can't help

528
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 3: but think about your kind of overarching philosophy, which is

529
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 3: like teams that take risks, you know, they're the ones

530
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,239
Speaker 3: that usually end up at the end of the day

531
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Speaker 3: with the trophy.

532
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if you can go to the trade deadline,

533
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: the Kyrie move, those are big swings. Those are big

534
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: swings by Dallas. And you know poor zing Is. You know,

535
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: basketball is really interesting because it's are the players come

536
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: into the league much younger and generally much less mature,

537
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: and so if you get into the wrong team or

538
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: the wrong spot, you can get kind of a bad reputation.

539
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: Porzingiss reputation. I mean, his game's different now, he's much

540
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: more perimeter than early when he would pound the ball,

541
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: and so Porzingi's got a reputation like bad guy, bad

542
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: locker room guy.

543
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 3: All right.

544
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: Then he goes to Washington and he gets a fresh start.

545
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: He moves outside, shoots more or less pounding the ball.

546
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 1: The league becomes more analytic. People can show him real

547
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: data and you're like, oh, okay, that's a little bit.

548
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: That's a little bit of the unicorn and then Boston

549
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: Brad Stevens seizes on it and says, you know what,

550
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: with our really good room, he didn't have to be

551
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 1: a one or two here he can on nights. And

552
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: so I think sometimes in the NFL, if if you

553
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: come into the league at twenty three and by twenty

554
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: six you're kind of an idiot, like you just can't

555
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: figure stuff out, I'm kind of done with you. You

556
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: gotta be careful. In the NBA, basketball is a very

557
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: individual culture AAU. It's sort of about getting yours, showing off,

558
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: letting the world see how much talent you have. If

559
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: you get a bad opening locker room Washington for twenty years,

560
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 1: you get labeled. You know, bad guy doesn't compete, you know,

561
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: because an NBA locker room is so small, a really

562
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: talented guy that's distracted can really ruin a locker room. Hell,

563
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: in baseball, if you're a schmuck and you go to

564
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: the bullpen, you don't even said that dugout Like in football,

565
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: you splinter off at halftime or at practice with your unit.

566
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: So I think, like Kyrie's reputation earned Dallas took a

567
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: shot ad when he was in New Orleans. It was

568
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: like Dad bod Lazy doesn't want to play hurt. I

569
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: thought he was sensational the last year and a half.

570
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: So these NBA guys, if you just make a judgment

571
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: based on their first like three years, you can leave

572
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff on the editing room floor. Like

573
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: you can't watch Porzingis tonight. It's almost a revelation. It's like, Oh,

574
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: this is exactly what he was. This is what people

575
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: thought he would be. He was the pre wemb pre

576
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: home groun. This is what people said. You can't stop him.

577
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: So you know, and I guess back to your initial

578
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: point is that these two gms took big swings on guys,

579
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: and Porzingis was thought of as a bad locker room

580
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: guy that was his rep four years in the league. Well,

581
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: he has an effected this locker room at all. I mean,

582
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: you can see the way the players, the Celtic players

583
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: treat him. They like him, you know what I mean,

584
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: And it's just part of their kind of unified effort.

585
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: So basketball football cultures are very different. There's a a

586
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: lot of things about the football culture I like, but

587
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: you have to be very you can't be as judgmental

588
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: in basketball. You're getting nineteen year old kids. Jesus. The

589
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: difference between nineteen and twenty four is a human being.

590
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 1: You know, once you get into your forty one to

591
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: forty seven, is the same guy nineteen to twenty three.

592
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: I got a lot of kids. It's a different human

593
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: And Porzingis now is like team guy, I mean, engaged

594
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: defensively guy cheering on teammate guy. So I you know,

595
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: Brad Stevens saw that, and Brad knows it because he

596
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: was a college coach. He sees these guys mature. He

597
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: knows they change my take.

598
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's quite literally been zero complaint about Porzingis and

599
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 3: the entire exerience in Boston. You know, it's funny. I

600
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 3: went out with Grant and Paulsen in DC on radio

601
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: earlier today and he asked me just some questions about

602
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: the Wizards going into the offseason, and one of the

603
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: big things I kind of feel passionately about is this

604
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: specific thing you're bringing up, which is I feel like

605
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: a lot of people are out on Jordan Pool right

606
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: now and it's like he's young, and then he won

607
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: a championship when he was really young, so of course

608
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: it went to his head. He got a little bit

609
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: off the rails over the following couple of seasons, I

610
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: have a feeling that Jordan Poole when he's twenty seven

611
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: is going to be a really good basketball player, you

612
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: know what I mean? And to your point, like it's

613
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: like it's like before I did this for a living,

614
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: I worked in real estate and I was on the

615
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: investment side, and you just completely change the way you

616
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: look at homes more towards what they could be rather

617
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: than what they are. And I think that's a really

618
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 3: interesting kind of like approach for gms, especially in these

619
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: big market teams that are typically operating above the cap,

620
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 3: because from there you're not going to get a top

621
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 3: seven draft pick, right, So, like how do you find

622
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: talent beyond that? And like a big one is look

623
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 3: for guys who were in the lottery that failed at

624
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: previous destinations because they were in the lottery because they

625
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: were viewed to have exceptional base line talent, right, but

626
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: they failed in those original destinations because of any number

627
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: of factors, immaturity, circumstance, leadership, you know, anything, right, even

628
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: an injury potentially right. And that's the thing is like

629
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 3: those are the guys that you can that you can

630
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: kind of find real opportunity. I feel like Ruy Hachamurro

631
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: is that for the Lakers. A guy kind of in

632
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: a bad organization in Washington, and then they find a

633
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 3: role for him in LA and suddenly it works. Like

634
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: these PJ Washington playing for a terrible Charlotte Hornets team.

635
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: It's like, let's bring you into this winning circumstance and

636
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: give you a job that is more suited to your talents,

637
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 3: and let's see what you can do. And so in general,

638
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: I think it's really fascinating how these above the cap

639
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: teams have to kind of look for the investment type

640
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: of NBA players that kind of more fit within their

641
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: specific scheme.

642
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: Well, think about a lot of the guys that come

643
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: in and they're mature. A lot of them have stayed

644
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: in Villanova guys okay, because they're three star guys, so

645
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: they stay in college there, hard coached. They come in

646
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: more mature. But a lot of the AAU stars and

647
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: the G League guys that their NBA coach is their

648
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: first real grown up Like, so like the kid that

649
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: Houston got, is it Jalen Green? Like when you first

650
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: watched him, you're like, he got a lot of talent,

651
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: but he's all over the place. He didn't want to

652
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: play basketball. And then in year two you're like, oh

653
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: he's being coached. Yeah, like he may he's off ball,

654
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,239
Speaker 1: he can actually help the team. Well, what would he know?

655
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: You know, It's like you just you don't know what

656
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: you don't know. So I think a lot of when

657
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: you watch these teams that do the little things, well,

658
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: the Knicks, they have a lot of guys that played

659
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: a lot of college basketball, so they're just like they're

660
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 1: twenty seven going on thirty four. And then you get

661
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: these guys that are super talented, lottery picks one and

662
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: done at twenty seven, they're twenty three, Like they just

663
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: they just haven't been coached. They haven't had an Izzo,

664
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: they haven't had a Jay Wright. And that I always

665
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: said that's the value of college coaching is, and now

666
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: there's nil. There's value in saying I want to stay

667
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: for a sophomore year of college in a really good program.

668
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: Somebody is really on my ass and I can make

669
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: decent money here. I can make it at the G

670
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: League and you're part of something. If you're part of

671
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: Villanova or Kansas, you're really part of a community, You're

672
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: part of a campus, and that's that's a real that's

673
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that's different people, different races, religions, different classes.

674
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: It's it's it's hard, it's challenging, and so I think

675
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: I just think the NBA is different. You have to

676
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: be careful about labeling and judging. Now there are players

677
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: like D'Angelo Russell. This is what he is, right like

678
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: it's been established. Okay, I'm done trying to figure out

679
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: the Rubik's cube, like this is what he is. But

680
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: I think porzingis is God. You know, it was almost

681
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: tonight watching him play like he had that kind of

682
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: that devilish Grinnich smile. You guys aren't stopping me. I'm good. Yeah,

683
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: and it's uh, you know, that's basketball. You could do it.

684
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: There are times when when when you get at hot

685
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: and you just and you have size advantages and matchup advantages.

686
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: I think Game two will be really close and really

687
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: really competitive. I think it will be uh. I think

688
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: Dallas will come out and play much better. I mean,

689
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: if I'm Dallas, my takeaway is we got to get physical.

690
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: We got to put bodies on people. We have got

691
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: to and I think the officials tend to I don't

692
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: think they favor teams. I think they they favor even

693
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: They're gonna give Dallas some physicality in Game two. They're

694
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: going to allow Dallas to be physical. The officials will

695
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: do that. Now, by the way, Boston will be allowed

696
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: to be physical too, will they take advantage of it,

697
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: But I think Boston. I think my take is if

698
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: I was a coach of Dallas, I'd be like, guys,

699
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: we've got to win possessions on the defensive end. We

700
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: may not match up offensively. We have to win the

701
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: defensive end. We have to we have to move the

702
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: ball better. We had very few assists early. We've got

703
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: to win the defensive end. I think Game two will

704
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: be a different It looks like a different basketball game.

705
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: That's my guess.

706
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Speaker 3: No, I one hundred percent agree that. And you bring

707
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: that physicality, you take an early lead, You add fresh

708
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: sure to Boston, which changes the free feeling that you

709
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: have when you shoot the basketball. Maybe they have a

710
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: lesser shooting night, and you give yourself a chance to win.

711
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: Before we get out of here, I wanted to ask

712
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: you about Dan Hurly, so I obviously, as someone who

713
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: roots for the Lakers. I actually was very excited about

714
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: this today. But what was your kind of takeaway from

715
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 3: that that big reveal this morning?

716
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: Well, I saw it like four thirty five, a Woje

717
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: palm starting my day. And my take was, I said,

718
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: you know, because I founded the volume, so I tend

719
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: to look at things from a managerial position. And so

720
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: I said, if I was Rob Polinka and Genie Buss,

721
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: and Minnesota's got Ant and Okac's got Chet and Sga,

722
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: and then there's Lucas twenty five, and you start looking

723
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 1: up and down, and you know, Jokic is still nice prime,

724
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: Boston's two guys in their prime, and you start looking

725
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: around and San Antonio and Houston this year I think

726
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: will pop, like it'll be different teams, and you start

727
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: looking around and thinking, listen, man, we got to start

728
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: drafting and developing here, like this is what the league.

729
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: If you start looking at the second apron, what the

730
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: CBA is in the NBA, We're not going to get

731
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: a third huge star here with Lebron and Ad. We're

732
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: just this is not gonna work. So we have got

733
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Speaker 1: to draft and develop. And so you can't watch these

734
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: playoffs and not come to this conclusion the NBA has

735
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: pivoted to young stars Katie Lebron's staff. It's over like that.

736
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: They're not running the league anymore. Like Tatum now is

737
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: one of the veterans. And I think my takeaway is, Okay,

738
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Speaker 1: who does that, Who drafts, who builds culture, who's tough?

739
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't a pivot away from Lebron. It was a

740
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: pivot toward the league. The league now is a draft

741
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: and developed league. That's these players are going to get rich.

742
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: But the league watched what Golden State did with KD

743
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: and they didn't like it, and the owners didn't like it,

744
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: and the league didn't like it. I can remember talking

745
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 1: to fans of the NBA being like, I hate this.

746
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: This is just not fair. And I think the league

747
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: heard that Adam Silver did not like that move at all.

748
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: And so I think the Lakers, Rob and Jeanie look

749
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: at this and think there's a change. We don't want

750
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: to be the Clippers old, dysfunctional. You know one guy,

751
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: Terrence Man that feels like he's young. You know, it's

752
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: a lot of names and great on the marque. It's

753
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: a great movie poster. It's not really a championship team.

754
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: And I think the Lakers don't feel like it, and

755
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, I just I that's my takeaways. They are

756
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: looking at this and stepping back and going we like

757
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: JJ Reddick, but he has no history in drafting and developing.

758
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: This is not what he does. By the way, there's

759
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: Connecticut players in this draft, you know, there's just and

760
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: also early the last three years he's recruited almost probably

761
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: every good domestic player in the first round he's recruited

762
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: or seen them. So I think they're gonna be active.

763
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: And that was my take is that you can't watch

764
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: these playoffs and not see this gigantic pivot. You know,

765
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: It's like when Manning, Brady and big Ben got old

766
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: and you're watching Mahomes and Lamar and Allen. It's like,

767
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: oh shit, we got ourselves a new league. As soon

768
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: as soon as Tom leaves, we got a new league.

769
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: It's a brand new league. And that that was my

770
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: take on it.

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00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 3: Yours, Yeah, So I I there were three reasons that

772
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 3: I was excited about it. The first one is exactly

773
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: what you said, the draft and development piece. I think

774
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 3: a big part of it too, like you mentioned, with

775
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: the cat rules changing, it's gonna be really difficult to

776
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 3: have more than two stars.

777
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: And it's almost impossible, Yeah.

778
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: Exactly, And I think he specifically is gonna excel at

779
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: finding role players that are great connective pieces next to stars,

780
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 3: because the Laker brand is gonna continue to bring in

781
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: star talent in one way or another, whether it's to

782
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: the trademarket, whether it's through free agency. They're gonna get stars,

783
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: but because of the new rules, you're not going to

784
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: get three of them, so you're probably gonna have to

785
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 3: and it's going to be about working on the margins

786
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 3: and finding discounted valuable players, which I think is something

787
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: that he's going to excel with the second two piece.

788
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 3: Two pieces of it. One, he's an offensive genius, like

789
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: literally an offensive genius. And specifically, what I find fascinating

790
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 3: is he was capable of generating space for his offense

791
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: with multiple non shooters on the floor, which I think

792
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 3: is super fascinating on a Laker team that has an

793
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: Anthony Davis that can struggle to shoot the basketball, that

794
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 3: is going to probably play a Jared Vanderbilt that struggles

795
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 3: to shoot the basketball. And he's he has all these

796
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 3: interesting concepts, like he's really good at disguising his sets.

797
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 3: He's a big believer in weak side action, which basically

798
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 3: occupies help defenders by making them think about what they're

799
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: doing on the weak side while your stars are running

800
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: ball screens on the other side. He's super creative as

801
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 3: a tactician, especially on the offense the end of the floor,

802
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: which I think is going to be work wonders for

803
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: a Laker offense that can get stagnant sometimes. And then

804
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 3: the third piece of it is he's just a psycho.

805
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 3: He's a psycho, he's competitive, and then I think he's

806
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 3: gonna bring enough cachet because that's the fear, right, Like,

807
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 3: if you're gonna play Devil's advocate, you're like David Blatt

808
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 3: comes over championship coach from Europe, Lebron scoffs at him

809
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: and says, I want the assistant instead, right, So like

810
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: that's what you're scared of. But I actually think Lebron

811
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 3: has a lot more respect for Dan Hurley. I mean,

812
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: especially seeing as he's been kind of like watching as

813
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 3: a fan as he's had his success over the last

814
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 3: couple of years. I think he'll have some success there.

815
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 3: And then I complained that you NonStop this season about

816
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: Darvin Ham not holding players accountable and then becoming and

817
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 3: then becoming a team that was really sloppy for stretches

818
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: because they didn't value individual possessions. They weren't good at

819
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 3: attention to detail. That will not fly under Dan Hurley.

820
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 3: He will be on those guys and I think it'll

821
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: help a lot well.

822
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Speaker 1: I try to defend Darvin Ham, but he is a

823
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: defensive minded coach. And you see this in the NFL.

824
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: Offense comes easier. The attention to detail from offensive coaches

825
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: is better. So like when you watch offensive like Steve Kerr,

826
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: like his he if you ever when they Mike Steve Kerr,

827
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: he picks on stuff, stuff up so quickly, like like

828
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing it, I'm watching the game. He is

829
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: a possession to possession coach. Steve Kerr, he watches every

830
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: little mistake. Mark Jackson defensive coach. I always viewed him

831
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: as more of a defensive coach. The offense could never

832
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: quite get in sync. Now, Mark did a good job

833
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: on the defensive end, but I thought with Darvin Ham

834
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: is he could get players. I thought Anthony Davis was

835
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: absolutely sensational defensively this year. I thought he was the

836
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: defensive player of the Year, but his offense was inconsistent.

837
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: Darvin's not going to help you a lot there. Darvin

838
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: was a very limited offensive player. And so I think,

839
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: just like in football, I think coaches have a vote

840
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: goals good with Bigs, Dan Tony's doesn't like Biggs. Coaches

841
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: all have strengths and weaknesses, and Darvin, I thought, was

842
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: not as detailed. Offensively allowed sloppy possessions. What didn't hold

843
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: players offensively accountable. They'll make it up on the defensive end.

844
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: That's not the league. That's just not the league. You

845
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna shoot your way. I mean, you

846
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: start looking at teams. Dallas was a better offensive team

847
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: than Minnesota. They won the series. You know it's it's

848
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, it is as as hard as New York played.

849
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: You start look Indiana. It was more consistently a higher tempo, healthier,

850
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: better offensive team with them offense is winning these series.

851
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 1: Like effort's great, but like that's that's why Boston's favored

852
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: in this series. They got five six guys that can

853
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: score twenty. And so I think Darvin doesn't necessarily fit

854
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: what's happening to the league, which is increasingly skilled, increasingly

855
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: unstoppable for players of size, And I think Hurley's good

856
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: with that. He understands what the what the sport is becoming.

857
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: That you play hard, play with urgency, get the details

858
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: down offensively, don't give up sloppy possessions. Lakers would have

859
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: bad quarters offensively, like just I mean, there are times

860
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: if you didn't have Lebron on the floor and Austin

861
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: Reeves was in foul trouble, you were done. They just

862
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: were a bad offensive unit. So yeah, I think to

863
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: your point is I tried to defend Darvin Ham, but

864
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm seeing some of the same stuff in the NFL

865
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: where the skill now in the NBA is just too

866
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: damn good. It's just too good. There's just if you're

867
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: not equipped offensively, possession after possession, you'll just get run

868
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: out of this sport really quickly.

869
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 3: Oh for sure. Like look at this particular matchup here

870
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 3: for Dallas versus Boston, Like a big part you mentioned

871
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: it at the start of the show, like the stagnation,

872
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 3: the lack of the ball in player movement, the Luca

873
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: Kyrie kind of your turn, my turns bad. That is,

874
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: it works for Dallas because Lucas so damn good, and

875
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: he might be the best player in the world. But

876
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: like I do believe there's a reason why the league

877
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 3: has shifted towards more ball in player movement. That's why

878
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 3: we're seeing teams like Denver succeed in Golden State succeed

879
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: Golden State kind of really revolutionized five out offense and

880
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 3: brought it to where it is today. And like, I

881
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: just think, I think Dan Hurley is in touch with

882
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 3: what works in modern basketball, which I think is going

883
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: to help a ton. I think he's I think he

884
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 3: understands the complications of the transition to the NBA, which

885
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 3: I think will be his probably his biggest challenge. But

886
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: he knows he's gonna have to talk differently to professional

887
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: athletes than to college players. He knows that there's going

888
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: to be more, you know, media pressure with that LA

889
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: job on a day to day basis. Like we talked

890
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 3: about Darvin Ham all the time this season because it's

891
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 3: like that's if you were ranking high like high high

892
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: pressure coaching jobs in America, Lakers head coach is pretty

893
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 3: high up on that list, especially when Lebron James is

894
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 3: on the roster. And so I think he's up for it.

895
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: I think he can do it. Go ahead.

896
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the things I've talked about today kind

897
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: of ad nauseum on my show, as I said, the

898
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: Lakers had twenty years in the second biggest city in

899
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: the country with no NFL teams in the NFL eventually

900
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 1: gobbles up every city. And now you've got Harbaugh, Herbert

901
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: and McVeigh and Stafford and the second richest owner in

902
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: Stan Cronk, and the Dodgers look like they're one hundred

903
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: and ten win team. Here comes usc to the big ten.

904
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: Balmer's got a new arena. The key in this is

905
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: are you okay now? Being the third biggest story in

906
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: La fourth on some weekends like because this city has

907
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: got star coaches and star teams and star players, and

908
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: it could be a you know, Wagner Rhode Island, Yukon.

909
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: He had a losing record each year. He's a culture guy.

910
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: He's an oven guy. He's not a microwave guy. It's

911
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: none of this fake bullshit like this is a this

912
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: is gonna be a slow roast, okay, and Lebron and

913
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis if he signs a five year, sixty million

914
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: dollar deal, the Laker Genie Buss doesn't have the financial wherewithal,

915
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: she's not Balmer. That's not a rounding air for her.

916
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: So this is a real commitment. So I think everybody's

917
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: just got to take a deep breath. The Lakers had

918
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: this la. They were winning titles with no NFL team.

919
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: The Dodgers were good but not winning World Series. They

920
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: owned this city for twenty years, and they got real

921
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: use to leaking stuff to the media on a slop

922
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: and just stealing thunder. Well, if you're thirty eight and

923
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: forty four in this city next year and Herbert and

924
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: Harbaugh and here come the Clippers in their new arena,

925
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: you're going to be the fourth story really quickly. So

926
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: I think that's the key to me. It's not Hurley,

927
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 1: it's is the organization ready to take a deep breath,

928
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 1: make tough decisions, get a little younger, give up some players,

929
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: get some draft picks. I think they'll be I think

930
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: they'll be fine. Dan Dan's intents, you know, Spolster's way more.

931
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Steve Kerrz intense, Tyleruson, but goods are I

932
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: mean Dan, Tony's not, you know, right Malone in Denver,

933
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: He's like a fistfight waiting to happen. I'm I'm okay

934
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: with intense. I think players respect it. I think you

935
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: can get run over very quickly in this league. I

936
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: think this is a moment in time where Lebron's probably

937
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: got two years left, maybe three. Lebron knows, like this

938
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: is no longer like running through him. I think he

939
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: knows it. I think he understands his value merchandising, tickets, production,

940
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: He sees his value. But Lebron knows, you know, this

941
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: is this is. This isn't Mahomes and his prime. This

942
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: is not what this is anymore. This is not this

943
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: is not the bubble year. This is not Cleveland or Miami.

944
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: This is a different time. So I'm excited for it.

945
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: Plus it just let's be honest, it's interesting. That's a

946
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: bigger one.

947
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: That's interesting to your point, if they have another stretch

948
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: like they did post the late Jerry Buss passing away

949
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 3: where they suck for a decade, like that could cost

950
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 3: them their they.

951
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: Had no they didn't have a direction, then exactly, Curly

952
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: will guarantee you a direction exactly.

953
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 3: That's my point is like I like that type of

954
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 3: aggression because He's the kind of guy that can establish

955
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 3: a culture that lasts. And you know, one of the

956
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 3: other things too, as far as like the money goes,

957
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 3: I think it's crazy all the hand ringing about the

958
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 3: amount of money these coaches are making. Like if you

959
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 3: had to pay Dan fifteen million a year, Like, what

960
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: is that in the grand scheme of the salary cap?

961
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: What is that in the grand scheme of this new

962
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 3: media rights deal? What is that in the grand scheme of.

963
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: All the league's making seven and a half billion a year? Like?

964
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: Who cares? Another thing is you have to empower a coach.

965
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: You can't pay your coach five and your seventh guy

966
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: is making twenty eight million a year. You just can't.

967
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: You can't do that. You have to empower these guys.

968
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: So I've said it. I would pay him twelve million

969
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: a year, twelve twelve and a half. His wife's a

970
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: Jersey girl, He runs the best program in college. You

971
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: just you know it's I like the new NBA. I

972
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: like the European players. I like the mobility is one

973
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: of those like small ball. Small ball is a lot

974
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: of nonsense. It was the Warriors mobility. It worked with

975
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: Lebron and KD for three years. Like the truth is

976
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: most of this league, most of the stories. You know,

977
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: Boston figured it out with KG, but Pierce was a

978
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: Celtic and by and large mobility. It hasn't worked for Kdie.

979
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: It worked for three years. It Lebron made it work everywhere.

980
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: So this is the league. Embrace it. Go get the

981
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: guy who does it better than anybody in college. And

982
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: by the way, he does it with big personalities. It's

983
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: the Northeast. He takes five star guys, he takes three

984
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: star guys like Yukon's a big program, high expectations, you know,

985
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: they get they get high profile players, high profile transfers.

986
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: They're going to be favored to win another national championship.

987
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: So it's not like he's dealing with a bunch of

988
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: two star guys the runs over. These are great players.

989
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 3: These are guys with egos. Yeah, we we just need

990
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 3: to get you on the on a zoom call with

991
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 3: the Hurley family so you can sell them on how

992
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 3: great Los Angeles is and then then we can get

993
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 3: you to close the deal. All right, Colin, this was fun.

994
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,520
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