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Speaker 1: Cawen's Entertainment Report. He's on the Bread Show.

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Speaker 2: All right, we need to talk about this America's Next

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Speaker 2: Stop Model, Next Top Model documentary which I started over

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Speaker 2: the weekend. I did not finish, but I do have

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Speaker 2: some thoughts. And Kiki, you said something that I totally

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Speaker 2: agree with last week is that it was very smart

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Speaker 2: for miss Tyer Banks to be a part of this.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, I think that anytime something controversial is coming

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Speaker 2: out about you or things that you did, it's better

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Speaker 2: if you're there to speak on it or else they

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Speaker 2: will fill in the blanks for you. Yes, And so

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Speaker 2: she actually wasn't initially supposed to even be involved with this.

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Speaker 2: In the beginning, Nigel Barker was talking about how he

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Speaker 2: and he got involved with the new documentary and he

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Speaker 2: basically said, what people don't realize is that this documentary series,

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Speaker 2: the whole thing started out of Miss Jay Alexander talking

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Speaker 2: about wanting to do a documentary on himself and his

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Speaker 2: life and Top Model, and he invited Ja Manuel to

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Speaker 2: be a part of it.

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Speaker 1: That's actually how it started.

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Speaker 2: Tyra and everything else everyone else had nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with it. So this started as something completely different. Now

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Speaker 2: what it has morphed into and yes, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of controversial stuff, but it morphed into a docu series

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Speaker 2: where she's kind of like the narrator of the whole process. Now, Fred,

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Speaker 2: you asked me, would this be interesting to me? I

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Speaker 2: don't think so. If you didn't watch America's Next Top Model?

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Speaker 1: Okay, could I started it?

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't really know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was such a cultural time and I remember

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Speaker 2: watching it and what it is doing is unlocking a

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Speaker 2: ton of people and memories for me that I completely

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Speaker 2: forgot about.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but it's very interesting. Now. She starts out basically

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Speaker 1: talking about.

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Speaker 2: Her modeling career and you know, the racism that she

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Speaker 2: experienced in the modeling world, and then how she went

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Speaker 2: to every single TV network. They all turned this show

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Speaker 2: down except for one. And it was like the bottom

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Speaker 2: of the barrel. I think it was UPN Yeah, UPN yeah,

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Speaker 2: which is crazy. In this email, was running UPN And

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Speaker 2: basically she took a huge chance because when you're at

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Speaker 2: the bottom of the totem bowl, like what do you

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Speaker 2: have to lose? And so that in itself was crazy

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Speaker 2: because that whole show changed TV forever. And then she

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Speaker 2: also spoke about how she really wanted it to be

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Speaker 2: super realistic to what the modeling world was at the time,

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Speaker 2: so I could see where she was getting started and

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Speaker 2: why things were going the way that they were. Now,

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Speaker 2: I have not gotten to the crazy controversial parts of

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Speaker 2: when you know, girls were passing out from challenges, there

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Speaker 2: was health risks, she wasn't letting them eat, so I

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Speaker 2: have not gotten to that part, but I will say

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Speaker 2: I was ready to go in and be like really

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Speaker 2: upset with her, and I kind of see where it

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Speaker 2: all came together, and I have respect for her and

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Speaker 2: her drive as for.

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Speaker 1: What she created. So I do recommend it if you

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Speaker 1: watch the show.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Again, I haven't gotten to the controversial part, but that's

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Speaker 2: what I've gotten so far. I thought it was very interesting.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of things to watch, the movie Goat actually is

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Speaker 2: in the number one spot at the box office over

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Speaker 2: the weekend and taking the place from Wuthering Heights, which

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Speaker 2: I saw on Friday. Now, what I want to say

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Speaker 2: about Wuthering Heights is I loved it. I went with

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Speaker 2: my friend who I was hysterically crying. I look over

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Speaker 2: and she's cracking up.

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Speaker 1: So you maybe have.

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Speaker 2: To like those like long, drawn out, like unrec quoted

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Speaker 2: love stories. Because I'm literally sobbing and she's laughing and

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Speaker 2: she's like, it's.

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Speaker 1: A little slow, isn't I'm like, no, it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: So I thought it was amazing, but you kind of

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Speaker 2: have to want to swim in the deep bend. And also,

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Speaker 2: Bunny Xo's memoir Jellyroll's Wife is insanely amazing. I've not

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Speaker 2: been reading, I've been listening to it. She has been

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Speaker 2: through a lot. There's never a dull moment in that book.

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Speaker 2: So those are my recommendations if you want to catch

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Speaker 2: up on our show. I also recommend that please fret

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Speaker 2: show on demand on the free iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: I recommend that, yes, sir, I started watching that Elizabeth

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Speaker 3: Smart tuck. I've been starting and then stopping a lot

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Speaker 3: of stuff, lady, but not only is the Elizabeth Smart documentary,

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Speaker 3: for obvious reasons, very disturbing.

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Speaker 1: I loved it.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was slow moving so slowly, and it's

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Speaker 3: like in the recent movie slowly is because of like

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Speaker 3: these artistic angles and lighting and transitions, and I'm like, okay, enough,

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Speaker 3: like get to the story, Like I want to hear

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Speaker 3: what everyone has to say. But it's like, you know,

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Speaker 3: it'll be like ten seconds of her sister like sitting

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Speaker 3: there with their eyes closed in the dark, and I'm like.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, it's dramatic for Sure's like all right, like

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Speaker 4: we don't need that, yeah, but it's it's it's the

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Speaker 4: fact that she's even like somewhat of a normal adult.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know if normal is the word, but

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Speaker 3: like somewhat well adjusted, and the way that she can

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Speaker 3: tell the story with composure considering what she went through

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Speaker 3: is just unbelievable to me.

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Speaker 1: That part is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Did you get to the part where like they were

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Speaker 2: almost caught like multiple times?

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Speaker 1: Like that was what was so.

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Speaker 2: Crazy to me, is like they had so many opportunities

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Speaker 2: to rescue her and she was obviously too scared, but

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Speaker 2: the fact that the story turned turned out well for

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Speaker 2: her that she eventually was but yeah, that was frustrating

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's dramatic, but that's a crazy story. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I just I'm just like okay, like I really want

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Speaker 3: to hear what these people have to.

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Speaker 2: Say, but like it's our attention span these days, I know, Okay,

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Speaker 2: like come.

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Speaker 3: On, you know, I feel like I feel like it's

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Speaker 3: two hours long, and it could be it could be

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Speaker 3: forty five minutes or an hour, and that's what drives

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Speaker 3: me nuts.

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Speaker 1: It's like right, like okay,