WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial: “A Trial of a Lifestyle” 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:03.560 Hey, they're folks. 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:08.600 It is Friday, June twenty seventh, and the defense closing 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:13.000 argument is underway in the Ditty trial, and lead attorney 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.919 Mark Agnaphillo is on fire. Welcome everybody to this Ditty 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:20.680 update edition of Amy and t J. I get his 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:22.279 name right today, Yes, yes. 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:23.840 Well we at least knew what it was instead of 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.320 some Italian last name that begins with an A. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:28.440 Okay, everybody's going to know how to say his name 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:33.040 after today. This dude is on fire. He is right 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:37.040 now Robes performing in stark contrasts to what it seemed 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:40.479 the prosecution did in their five hour closing yesterday. 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.680 He is actually making fun in a lot of ways 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:49.320 of the prosecution's seven week long presentation. And you and 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.280 I both said this, if I were charged with a crime, 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:54.480 this is the man who I would want defending me, 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:58.960 because he's found a way to use common sense and 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.840 humor to appeal to the jurors. He comes off as 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:09.880 making a lot of logical sense and connecting the dots 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:14.000 that completely point away from the prosecution's argument. 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:18.160 No charts, no graphics, no nothing. He made that point 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:19.960 when he started. He said, I'm not gonna do that 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:21.840 I'm not gonna put some more screens something for you 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:23.720 to read, because you know what they say, screens are 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.440 bad for yas. Anyway, Like he's speaking in that kind 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:30.040 of colloquial way that everybody can understand, and I say speak, 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.480 we're sitting here acting as if we can hear his audio. 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.080 You and I have been reading a live book. 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.199 I said, I've never actually been sitting in a room 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.440 and been so entertained. And that's exactly how I described it. 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.080 It says, if I'm turning a page and reading a 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:50.480 fascinating book that's happening in real time. That's the best 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:52.480 way I can describe what it's been like all morning 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.880 long for us as we have been following along. Note 0:01:55.880 --> 0:02:00.200 by note, we've got multiple news outlets, court reporters, live 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.040 updates popping up, and we'll say, did you just see 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.000 this one? Did you just hear that one? Because Mark 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:10.800 Agniphilo is just coming off with one quip after the next, 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:15.040 and they're memorable and they are making a serious impression. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:17.640 Yeah, and he warned it. I say he warned, but 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:19.600 he gave everybody a heads up. He said, I'm not 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:21.800 gonna use screens like we mentioned, but he said, I'm 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.280 going to be pacing a lot, And sure enough, they said, 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.560 he is essentially racing, moving back and forth right in 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.519 front of the jury box. His voice is going high, 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.040 so high pitch is cracking at times, like he is 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.080 just putting on. They are not bored today, No, in 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:36.519 the court. 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:41.200 Room, and they said, he's gesticulating. He's he's theatrical, I mean, 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.079 and so you can't take your eyes off of him. 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.400 And the one thing that's missing from the reporting that 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.000 you and I have noted, and we talked about this 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.079 a little bit yesterday and we looked up if there 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:54.000 was some law or some rule against court reporters describing 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:59.640 jurors reactions. And our reaction has been fairly animated here 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.200 hearing what Mark is saying, or at least reading what 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.200 Mark is saying. And I was desperate to know what 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:10.240 the juror's faces look like as he is cracking jokes, 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.640 because honestly, I know this is not a laughing matter. 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:19.600 We're talking about serious, heinous, disgusting allegations. And I have 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.639 found myself and I've watched you too, we are laughing. 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.080 Oh yeah, because he's cracking jokes. 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:25.800 We got we're going to give you more of his 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.720 quotes in a second, but rose before he even got 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.320 to get started. This morning, here we go once again 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.960 there was another juror issue. Nothing too terrible, but it 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.680 seems once again the juror throwing off the schedule. 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:39.040 There was a transit issue. 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:39.880 That's how all they said. 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.640 It was a transit issue. I mean, look, we live 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.920 in New York City. We understand it's tough. It's a 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.480 commuting every day, so you always have to give yourself, literally, 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:53.080 no matter where you're going, at least an extra thirty minutes, 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:56.360 and sometimes you'll be early, and sometimes you'll even still 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.480 be a little late. I mean, you cannot know what 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.440 you're commute. It's going to be day in and day out. 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.480 Okay, well, a transit issue, this is kind of a 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:07.160 big one. Thirty minutes. Court was delayed a full thirty 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:11.440 minutes today. Of all days I ropes, I have to 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.760 say it was there are more highly antictate. We've had 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:19.839 highly anticipated witnesses that delivered on testimony we were expecting, 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:24.200 but this maybe is the most highly anticipated day of 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.560 this trial, and sure enough we were left waiting even longer. 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:29.280 It was just weird that it happened on this day, 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:30.160 of all days. 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.640 I would say, in the entire time, we have been 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:34.800 watching this and many of the I say watching, I 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:36.920 always say this because it feels like we've been watching it, 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.760 monitoring what's going on in the courtroom. This has been 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:42.640 and I hate to use the word entertaining, but it 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.880 has been the most entertaining day that I can recall 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:46.839 of this entire trial. 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.280 Yeah, and well you'll understand why here in just a second. 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.840 But rope, we talked about Agnefillo. Yes, there were a 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.760 lot of theatrics, but he was much more than style. 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.040 He brought the substance, and he made clear at the 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.640 top it seemed the direction he was going to go. Said, 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:01.800 this is a trial of a lifestyle. 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.000 Correct, This is not a criminal enterprise. This is not 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:09.360 some mob boss enterprise. He said, this is someone's lifestyle. 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:14.720 And he said, okay, so he liked threesomes. Okay, so 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.640 he likes some kinky stuff. Basically is what he was saying. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:21.400 But that's not a crime. That's certainly not racketeering, and 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.040 it's not all of the other He was making light 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.599 and making fun of the charges that the government brought 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:31.080 against his client, saying get real. People come on basically 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.760 kind of saying, none of you actually are buying this right. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.040 Because he liked some kinky sex, because he likes threesomes. 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.919 This is he's on trial for his lifestyle, not for 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:41.080 crimes that he committed. 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.880 It was as close as to a legal really, dude 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:45.600 as you can get. 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:45.960 Yeah. 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.280 Yeah, he said, you want to call it swingers, you 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.320 want to call it threesomes. That's what it is. That's 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.200 what the evidence shows. That was his quote. 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.440 But we go through and again we're talking about, Yes, 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.640 I mean, what did he did behind closed doors? Fine, 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.680 but he's being charged for doing that stuff behind closed 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.839 doors the same way they prosecuted mobsters. And he made 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.760 that point about the racketeering. He called this, he said, 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:16.480 one of the most serious, complicated, comprehensive statutes on the books. 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.279 They applied it to personal use drugs and threesomes. 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:24.039 Yeah, that's just he kind of broke it one sentence. 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:25.440 He said, this is what we're doing here. 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:29.240 We talked about this yesterday in both of our episodes. 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:34.320 With the prosecution's presentation they're closing arguments, it, in one word, 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.680 was complicated. We felt overwhelmed, and yes, that's why they 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:42.919 had graphs and charts and displays because it is so 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:47.760 confusing how they're trying to take specific instances and then 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:54.040 apply them to this very confusing but very serious charge 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:57.960 that in one case, and the racketeering charges could put 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.040 Diddy away for life. And so it was and dark 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.520 and serious and complicated. Might like my brain hurt trying 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:05.800 to see how they were doing. Right. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.520 It's a legal and technical and I guess you're supposed 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:12.600 to take this all by the book, right, but we're 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:15.600 human beings and a lot of this stuff goes beyond 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:16.680 just what's. 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:17.480 In a statute. 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:21.720 And he could this dude makes common sense if you're 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:23.920 just talking to him and listening to both of them. 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:25.440 I was like, yeah, of course, yeah, of course this 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:26.880 doesn't make any sense while we're here for this. He 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.640 likes him sex and now you're trying racketeering. What that's 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:30.720 just kind of common sense. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.080 So as a juror, you're sitting there and you kind 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.480 of said, he reminded you a little bit just in 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:37.760 terms of what we're reading and how he's been able 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:43.920 to simplify the issues and make it feel relatable in 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.360 a weird way. Kind of you said, he felt very 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:47.720 Johnny cochranesque to you. 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:49.360 Johnny was brilliant. 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.640 We all know that, but he was a performer in 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:56.280 the We saw him perform for months on television and 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:01.080 to this day, anybody right now, I Sayannie Conchran, Hey, 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.440 give me a quote of Johnny Conchrane. You can tell 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:05.840 me one. 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.720 If it doesn't fit, you must quit. 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.200 This is what this guy is doing. It feels like 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.400 in court today. He is speaking to you in colloquial, 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.800 common sensical terms you can relate to and go, ah, 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:20.160 that makes sense. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.000 And he also brought in the DEI thing. I thought 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:29.000 he had a couple current event moments where he related 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:30.800 what was going on, and he talked about di I. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.720 He said, Sean Diddy Combs has been deiing since the 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.680 nineteen nineties. You know, he has employed all of these folks. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.760 He and he said this, Shawn Combs has become something 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.160 that is very, very hard to be. He's a self made, 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:49.000 successful black entrepreneur. And that had to hit home for 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:50.440 some of the jurors. 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.760 Yeah, he wait, he's this rare thing and that why 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.480 does he end up here for that? 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:00.320 Because he likes threesomes and because he likes to swing, 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:01.719 so why. 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:05.520 Is this rarity in the black community being brought to 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.800 this type of scrutiny that seems kind of rare too. 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:12.439 Of these things, he found a way in just making 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.040 a factual statement to put something in your mind to 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:16.520 think about. 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.720 Yeah. He also made a reference to the Jaws fiftieth 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:21.960 anniversary and like, you know the famous line from Jaws, 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.120 We're going to need another boat another sorry, we're gonna 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.400 need a bigger boat. He said something, We're gonna need 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:31.120 more crimes tape scene. It's a crime scene tape because 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.720 of what they're trying to piece together and pull together 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:39.560 to create this seemingly elaborate criminal enterprise. You know, He's like, 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.360 they're just trying to make more out of something that 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:43.439 actually isn't a crime. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:45.440 We should make the point. We were talking about this 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.960 yesterday after hearing the prosecution's case. We were like, wow, wow, 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:50.600 we were you know what that sounds right? 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.040 Yep? To count two cases, Yep, that sounds right. 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:54.240 I mean, how are they going to get out of that? 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.080 Because like what they're saying. He actually probably did so like, wait, 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:58.160 how are they going to get out of this? 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.480 We predicted that sure enough, we're going to hear defense 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.200 and sure enough, listening to him today, like wow that. 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.400 Oh wow, oh wow on. 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:07.920 Everything he said. Now we're talking about how entertaining he 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:12.560 was Robes, he flat out made fund yes of the 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:16.839 investigators in some of these searches, and how they are 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.800 getting bad people and things off the streets. 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:23.520 Oh my goodness. Yes, he went off about making America 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.280 safe from astroglide is what he basically said. He's like, 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.760 thank goodness we had those raids. Thank goodness that we 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.439 were able to have these federal prosecutors swoop in to 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:38.520 Ditty's house to find boxes of astroglide taken off the streets. 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:42.800 He said, who I feel better already artificial lubricant, Not 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.479 for me. The streets of America are safe from the astroglide. 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.000 It's hard not to chuckle when he puts. 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.520 It like that. You can, you can, you can hear 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:56.280 sarcasm in words. That's remarkable. He actually gave them an 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.800 Ada boy said, way to go, Fellas. That's a quote. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:02.040 He said, way to go Fellas. You guys just do you. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:06.240 They took astroglide and baby oil and that is the 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:07.480 evidence in this case. 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:09.280 Man. 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:10.040 It's effective. 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.520 It is so effective. 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.120 Because we're talking about some of the most serious charges. 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:20.920 But we go through what they collected from this serious criminal. 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.360 Not guns right there, some of the house, but he's not. 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.240 Accused of There is no gun related violence other than 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.080 I believe with the Capricorn Clarkin since she said he 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.240 brought a gun with her, But there's no evidence of 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.960 him brandishing a gun or threatening someone with the gun. 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:37.760 So the guns don't really. 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:38.280 Terms of hit. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.360 You got the FBI raiding a home in terms of 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.400 the threat that they just got off the street from 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:49.880 the search were boxes and boxes of astroglide, not drugs 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.959 to be distributed astroglide. And so he's the way I'm 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.200 saying it here is the way you can imagine them 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:57.640 hearing it, like oh. 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.680 Really, yeah, it was like a I think the worst 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.439 thing in terms of the drugs, was it a Gucci 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.440 fanny pack or a Gucci bag that had some drugs 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.880 in it? Yeah, even that was just comical because of 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.400 how what it was housed in, not even the fact 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:15.360 that there were so if there were just unbelievable amounts 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.360 of drugs, they would have pointed out there was this 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.280 amount of this, there was that amount of this, they 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:20.920 couldn't even do that, you know. 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:24.760 The other he saved a lot of his mocking for Capricorn. Clark, 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.839 who was an assistant, said she was okay. Two different 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.400 occasions she said she was kidnapped. One of them robes 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.040 was when he said she said did he came to 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.120 her house, said he had a gun, said you're coming 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:36.600 with me right now. And this is when they were 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.240 going to see kid Cutty. The other time, and this 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.680 is the one that attorney was mocking a lot when 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.079 she said she had to be subjected to a light 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:49.719 detector test for almost a week on a floor of 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:54.640 an abandoned building by a bodyguard or something, a goon 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.720 from Diddy and the attorney went. 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:58.319 To town on that one. 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.360 He certainly did. He said she was kidnapped and then 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.960 returned back to her home each night, and then returned 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.680 back with the kidnapper each day. And he kind of 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.240 made it, well, he didn't kind it. He made a 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.800 reference to the jurors. He said, kind of like you 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.280 all being forced to come back to court each day 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.160 and sit here and listen to this. Do any of 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:18.240 you feel kidnapped? 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:20.480 That's effective? 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:22.839 Once again, what do you do with that? He also 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.120 made a joke about the time that Capricorn Clark you 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.760 just mentioned it and said she felt like she had 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.480 to go with Diddy to go confront kid Cuddy, that 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.720 she believed he had a gun. He said, she was 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.000 probably so excited that he came to her house she 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:38.440 would have gone to the moon with him. 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.240 He didn't need to show a gun, it's his point, 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.240 like he didn't have he didn't need to threaten her. 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.199 With anything, and there's no proof that he did have one. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.000 Yeah, So it's those ways that we listened to all 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.840 that testimony and it sounded like a harrowing. 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:53.760 Scary night. 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:55.960 And I'm sure a lot of what they talked about 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.480 she testified to was true, but he simplified it in 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.640 such a way that makes you simply have to question 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:03.520 what you heard. 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:05.000 And they this was a. 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.720 Good point on the Capricorn testimony. He told them during 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.320 his closing today, like the judge is going to instruct 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:15.200 you that if you know that a witness lied to 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.920 you once, that means you have the right to disregard 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.400 everything that came out of their mouth and testimony. 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:26.360 Wow. Wow, And so we knew obviously he was going 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.800 to Mark was going to have to address this domestic 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:33.000 violence issue, and he handled it so well, and it's 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.320 hard to that's hard to even have that come out 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.920 of my mouth. He handled the domestic violence issues so 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.600 well in the way that he said it. He said, 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.960 we own it. Did he did it? And if he 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.840 had been charged with it, you wouldn't be here because 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:52.080 he would have pled guilty. That also totally ring truth 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.400 for me and made you actually, you're going along with 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.440 him on his narrative because he says things where they 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.280 have to admit harsh truth. And yet then when they say, 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.760 but this didn't happen, Okay, that happened, and we'll admit 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:10.160 it freely. But just because he yes admits that he 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:14.120 beat Cassie, doesn't mean that any of these other charges 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.840 are true because he's not charged with that. And he 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.920 wanted that to be there, and he pointed out, we 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.920 are here because of money, and when he started laying 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:29.880 out why the jury's here, why his client is facing charges, 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:34.000 when he put it very plainly, did he is here 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.240 because of money? That was powerful. 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.360 All right, well, folks, stay with us here when we 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.680 come back, we're gonna get more into that money argument 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:49.120 he was making and why the attorney called Cassie Ventura Fine. 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:50.920 Gangsta in court today. 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.000 All right, folks, we're going to continue now discussion of 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.920 what has been the first half I guess of closing 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.200 arguments delivered by the lead attorney for the defense team, 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:13.320 Mark ag Agniphillo Agniphilo in one of these days. I'm 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.840 gonna get it right, mister Agnifilo. My apologies, but wrote 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.600 before we took a short break there we were talking 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:22.360 about and he was talking about Cassie Ventura Fine plenty 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.520 today and you know, part of she was an eight 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.760 and a half months pregnant woman. You're hearing terrible stories 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.120 about what she went through. We remember all the video. 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.920 But in describing her today, he made her sound like 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:37.000 a much different person. 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.560 He certainly did he And again he did not deny 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.840 that she was beaten. He did not deny that his 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:48.400 client beat her. But he made this very direct point 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:53.640 that he said, Cassie right now is sitting somewhere in 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:58.240 the world with thirty million dollars. She filed that lawsuit, 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:03.280 which of course call the attention of the feds. Did 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.199 he paid her twenty million dollars the following day, And 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:10.720 I did not know this the Hotel Intercontinental where that 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.520 beating that we all saw on that surveillance video took place. 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:19.200 They paid her ten million dollars and so she was 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:21.800 She did not go to the police. She did not 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.600 ask that the police charge him with a crime. She 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:29.479 asked for money, and that is why did he is 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:31.560 sitting in a defendant chair today. 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:37.920 No one is arguing that she earned was old, maybe 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.760 even old more than the twenty million that he gave her. 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:42.679 The point there in front of a jury in a 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:46.399 criminal case, though, is that she didn't even want to 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:47.119 bring charges. 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.360 It's that this is maybe. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:54.840 Something else to this that is not about criminal enterprise, right, 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.119 And that is the effective way he made the case. 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.320 He didn't just call her a bad person, but he 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.439 did make some suggestions during his closing that she was 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:05.480 being manipulative and play two guys. 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.960 He said she was playing both Kid Cuttie and Sean 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.600 Ditty Combs, that she was not being truthful to either 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.720 one of them. And when he started going down that narrative, 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:18.560 he said she even had a burner phone to basically 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.359 keep two guys on the side without the other one 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.360 knowing about the other. And that's when he said Cassie's 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.880 keeping a gangster with the ooh, with the burner phone. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.080 I mean he really went to town with her on 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:34.399 that one. I thought that was very interesting. And again 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.800 it is so relatable because you start looking at Cassie 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.560 differently when he puts it that way. She wasn't. Look 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.400 no one's arguing that she was a victim of domestic 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:49.200 violence and domestic abuse, and certainly, listening or at least 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:52.320 reading her testimony, it is gutting. It is horrific to 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.119 hear for any human what she underwent. But then he 0:18:55.200 --> 0:19:00.000 made the point she eventually left Ditty because she wanted to. 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:05.680 That's not coercion, that's not being under someone's control under 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:09.800 a threat of us. She left freely when she wanted to. 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.240 The suggestion being she could have done that at any point. 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:17.480 That's the legal arguments. 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.480 Look, they have to consider laws that they're going to 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.600 get all that stuff to go through. But just sitting 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:27.040 there as a human being on the jury that he's 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.960 appealing to common sense and emotion. He's appealing to them 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:33.320 in a different way outside of a legal book. And 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.320 it seems right now, at least on paper, we're not 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.080 in the room. But it sounds like he is putting 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:38.520 on a show. 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.080 Oh my goodness. Yeah. And speaking of money, he didn't 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:45.240 just point out Cassie. He pointed out Jane, who of 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:49.480 course was Ditty's other girlfriend who testified under that pseudonym, 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:51.879 who was such a big part of the prosecution's case. 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.960 He said, on Jane, I hope she's having a nice day, 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.280 but you know where she's doing it in a house 0:19:58.560 --> 0:19:59.720 he's paying for. 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:01.760 That was a part of a whole section where he 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:03.720 was talking about he has taken care of he is 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.080 what he does, He takes care of people, and that 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:07.760 was one of the things he pointed out, but he 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.400 pointed it out in a sarcastic way. 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.880 Yeah, but again one that reads true for all the jurors. 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.160 In fact, when you talked about him caring for people. 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:20.440 He started his closing arguments pointing out all of Ditty's 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.040 family who have been in the courtroom for most of 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:26.880 the trial, including his children. He said, these folks are 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:30.200 here because they love them and because he takes care 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.639 of his own. And he even talked about all the 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:36.080 folks who were his employees. He said, Okay, they didn't 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:40.040