1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 2: It is Friday, June twenty seventh, and the defense closing 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: argument is underway in the Ditty trial, and lead attorney 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: Mark Agnaphillo is on fire. Welcome everybody to this Ditty 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: update edition of Amy and t J. I get his 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 2: name right today, Yes, yes. 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 3: Well we at least knew what it was instead of 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 3: some Italian last name that begins with an A. 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: Okay, everybody's going to know how to say his name 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: after today. This dude is on fire. He is right 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: now Robes performing in stark contrasts to what it seemed 12 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: the prosecution did in their five hour closing yesterday. 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 3: He is actually making fun in a lot of ways 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 3: of the prosecution's seven week long presentation. And you and 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 3: I both said this, if I were charged with a crime, 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 3: this is the man who I would want defending me, 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 3: because he's found a way to use common sense and 18 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 3: humor to appeal to the jurors. He comes off as 19 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: making a lot of logical sense and connecting the dots 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 3: that completely point away from the prosecution's argument. 21 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: No charts, no graphics, no nothing. He made that point 22 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: when he started. He said, I'm not gonna do that 23 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna put some more screens something for you 24 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: to read, because you know what they say, screens are 25 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: bad for yas. Anyway, Like he's speaking in that kind 26 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: of colloquial way that everybody can understand, and I say speak, 27 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: we're sitting here acting as if we can hear his audio. 28 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: You and I have been reading a live book. 29 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 3: I said, I've never actually been sitting in a room 30 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: and been so entertained. And that's exactly how I described it. 31 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: It says, if I'm turning a page and reading a 32 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: fascinating book that's happening in real time. That's the best 33 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: way I can describe what it's been like all morning 34 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 3: long for us as we have been following along. Note 35 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 3: by note, we've got multiple news outlets, court reporters, live 36 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: updates popping up, and we'll say, did you just see 37 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 3: this one? Did you just hear that one? Because Mark 38 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 3: Agniphilo is just coming off with one quip after the next, 39 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 3: and they're memorable and they are making a serious impression. 40 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he warned it. I say he warned, but 41 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: he gave everybody a heads up. He said, I'm not 42 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 2: gonna use screens like we mentioned, but he said, I'm 43 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: going to be pacing a lot, And sure enough, they said, 44 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: he is essentially racing, moving back and forth right in 45 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 2: front of the jury box. His voice is going high, 46 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: so high pitch is cracking at times, like he is 47 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: just putting on. They are not bored today, No, in 48 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 2: the court. 49 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 3: Room, and they said, he's gesticulating. He's he's theatrical, I mean, 50 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 3: and so you can't take your eyes off of him. 51 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: And the one thing that's missing from the reporting that 52 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: you and I have noted, and we talked about this 53 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 3: a little bit yesterday and we looked up if there 54 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: was some law or some rule against court reporters describing 55 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 3: jurors reactions. And our reaction has been fairly animated here 56 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 3: hearing what Mark is saying, or at least reading what 57 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: Mark is saying. And I was desperate to know what 58 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 3: the juror's faces look like as he is cracking jokes, 59 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 3: because honestly, I know this is not a laughing matter. 60 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: We're talking about serious, heinous, disgusting allegations. And I have 61 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 3: found myself and I've watched you too, we are laughing. 62 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because he's cracking jokes. 63 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: We got we're going to give you more of his 64 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: quotes in a second, but rose before he even got 65 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: to get started. This morning, here we go once again 66 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: there was another juror issue. Nothing too terrible, but it 67 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: seems once again the juror throwing off the schedule. 68 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: There was a transit issue. 69 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: That's how all they said. 70 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: It was a transit issue. I mean, look, we live 71 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: in New York City. We understand it's tough. It's a 72 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: commuting every day, so you always have to give yourself, literally, 73 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: no matter where you're going, at least an extra thirty minutes, 74 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: and sometimes you'll be early, and sometimes you'll even still 75 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: be a little late. I mean, you cannot know what 76 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: you're commute. It's going to be day in and day out. 77 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: Okay, well, a transit issue, this is kind of a 78 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: big one. Thirty minutes. Court was delayed a full thirty 79 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: minutes today. Of all days I ropes, I have to 80 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: say it was there are more highly antictate. We've had 81 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 2: highly anticipated witnesses that delivered on testimony we were expecting, 82 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: but this maybe is the most highly anticipated day of 83 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: this trial, and sure enough we were left waiting even longer. 84 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 2: It was just weird that it happened on this day, 85 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 2: of all days. 86 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: I would say, in the entire time, we have been 87 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 3: watching this and many of the I say watching, I 88 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 3: always say this because it feels like we've been watching it, 89 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: monitoring what's going on in the courtroom. This has been 90 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: and I hate to use the word entertaining, but it 91 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: has been the most entertaining day that I can recall 92 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 3: of this entire trial. 93 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and well you'll understand why here in just a second. 94 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 2: But rope, we talked about Agnefillo. Yes, there were a 95 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: lot of theatrics, but he was much more than style. 96 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 2: He brought the substance, and he made clear at the 97 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: top it seemed the direction he was going to go. Said, 98 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: this is a trial of a lifestyle. 99 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: Correct, This is not a criminal enterprise. This is not 100 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: some mob boss enterprise. He said, this is someone's lifestyle. 101 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 3: And he said, okay, so he liked threesomes. Okay, so 102 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 3: he likes some kinky stuff. Basically is what he was saying. 103 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: But that's not a crime. That's certainly not racketeering, and 104 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 3: it's not all of the other He was making light 105 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 3: and making fun of the charges that the government brought 106 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: against his client, saying get real. People come on basically 107 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: kind of saying, none of you actually are buying this right. 108 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 3: Because he liked some kinky sex, because he likes threesomes. 109 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 3: This is he's on trial for his lifestyle, not for 110 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: crimes that he committed. 111 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: It was as close as to a legal really, dude 112 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 2: as you can get. 113 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 114 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, you want to call it swingers, you 115 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: want to call it threesomes. That's what it is. That's 116 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: what the evidence shows. That was his quote. 117 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: But we go through and again we're talking about, Yes, 118 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: I mean, what did he did behind closed doors? Fine, 119 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: but he's being charged for doing that stuff behind closed 120 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: doors the same way they prosecuted mobsters. And he made 121 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: that point about the racketeering. He called this, he said, 122 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 2: one of the most serious, complicated, comprehensive statutes on the books. 123 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: They applied it to personal use drugs and threesomes. 124 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just he kind of broke it one sentence. 125 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: He said, this is what we're doing here. 126 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 3: We talked about this yesterday in both of our episodes. 127 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: With the prosecution's presentation they're closing arguments, it, in one word, 128 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 3: was complicated. We felt overwhelmed, and yes, that's why they 129 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 3: had graphs and charts and displays because it is so 130 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 3: confusing how they're trying to take specific instances and then 131 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 3: apply them to this very confusing but very serious charge 132 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 3: that in one case, and the racketeering charges could put 133 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 3: Diddy away for life. And so it was and dark 134 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: and serious and complicated. Might like my brain hurt trying 135 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: to see how they were doing. Right. 136 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: It's a legal and technical and I guess you're supposed 137 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: to take this all by the book, right, but we're 138 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: human beings and a lot of this stuff goes beyond 139 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: just what's. 140 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: In a statute. 141 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: And he could this dude makes common sense if you're 142 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: just talking to him and listening to both of them. 143 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, of course, yeah, of course this 144 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense while we're here for this. He 145 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: likes him sex and now you're trying racketeering. What that's 146 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: just kind of common sense. 147 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 3: So as a juror, you're sitting there and you kind 148 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: of said, he reminded you a little bit just in 149 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: terms of what we're reading and how he's been able 150 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: to simplify the issues and make it feel relatable in 151 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: a weird way. Kind of you said, he felt very 152 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 3: Johnny cochranesque to you. 153 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: Johnny was brilliant. 154 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: We all know that, but he was a performer in 155 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: the We saw him perform for months on television and 156 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: to this day, anybody right now, I Sayannie Conchran, Hey, 157 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: give me a quote of Johnny Conchrane. You can tell 158 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: me one. 159 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: If it doesn't fit, you must quit. 160 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 2: This is what this guy is doing. It feels like 161 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: in court today. He is speaking to you in colloquial, 162 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: common sensical terms you can relate to and go, ah, 163 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: that makes sense. 164 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 3: And he also brought in the DEI thing. I thought 165 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 3: he had a couple current event moments where he related 166 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: what was going on, and he talked about di I. 167 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: He said, Sean Diddy Combs has been deiing since the 168 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 3: nineteen nineties. You know, he has employed all of these folks. 169 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: He and he said this, Shawn Combs has become something 170 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: that is very, very hard to be. He's a self made, 171 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: successful black entrepreneur. And that had to hit home for 172 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 3: some of the jurors. 173 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he wait, he's this rare thing and that why 174 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: does he end up here for that? 175 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: Because he likes threesomes and because he likes to swing, 176 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 3: so why. 177 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: Is this rarity in the black community being brought to 178 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 2: this type of scrutiny that seems kind of rare too. 179 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 2: Of these things, he found a way in just making 180 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: a factual statement to put something in your mind to 181 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: think about. 182 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. He also made a reference to the Jaws fiftieth 183 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 3: anniversary and like, you know the famous line from Jaws, 184 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: We're going to need another boat another sorry, we're gonna 185 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: need a bigger boat. He said something, We're gonna need 186 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: more crimes tape scene. It's a crime scene tape because 187 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 3: of what they're trying to piece together and pull together 188 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 3: to create this seemingly elaborate criminal enterprise. You know, He's like, 189 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: they're just trying to make more out of something that 190 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 3: actually isn't a crime. 191 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: We should make the point. We were talking about this 192 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: yesterday after hearing the prosecution's case. We were like, wow, wow, 193 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 2: we were you know what that sounds right? 194 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: Yep? To count two cases, Yep, that sounds right. 195 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 3: I mean, how are they going to get out of that? 196 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 3: Because like what they're saying. He actually probably did so like, wait, 197 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 3: how are they going to get out of this? 198 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: We predicted that sure enough, we're going to hear defense 199 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 2: and sure enough, listening to him today, like wow that. 200 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: Oh wow, oh wow on. 201 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: Everything he said. Now we're talking about how entertaining he 202 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 2: was Robes, he flat out made fund yes of the 203 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 2: investigators in some of these searches, and how they are 204 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: getting bad people and things off the streets. 205 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Yes, he went off about making America 206 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: safe from astroglide is what he basically said. He's like, 207 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: thank goodness we had those raids. Thank goodness that we 208 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 3: were able to have these federal prosecutors swoop in to 209 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 3: Ditty's house to find boxes of astroglide taken off the streets. 210 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: He said, who I feel better already artificial lubricant, Not 211 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,479 Speaker 3: for me. The streets of America are safe from the astroglide. 212 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 3: It's hard not to chuckle when he puts. 213 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: It like that. You can, you can, you can hear 214 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: sarcasm in words. That's remarkable. He actually gave them an 215 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: Ada boy said, way to go, Fellas. That's a quote. 216 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: He said, way to go Fellas. You guys just do you. 217 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: They took astroglide and baby oil and that is the 218 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: evidence in this case. 219 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 3: Man. 220 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: It's effective. 221 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 3: It is so effective. 222 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: Because we're talking about some of the most serious charges. 223 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: But we go through what they collected from this serious criminal. 224 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: Not guns right there, some of the house, but he's not. 225 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: Accused of There is no gun related violence other than 226 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 3: I believe with the Capricorn Clarkin since she said he 227 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: brought a gun with her, But there's no evidence of 228 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 3: him brandishing a gun or threatening someone with the gun. 229 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 3: So the guns don't really. 230 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: Terms of hit. 231 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: You got the FBI raiding a home in terms of 232 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: the threat that they just got off the street from 233 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: the search were boxes and boxes of astroglide, not drugs 234 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 2: to be distributed astroglide. And so he's the way I'm 235 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: saying it here is the way you can imagine them 236 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: hearing it, like oh. 237 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 3: Really, yeah, it was like a I think the worst 238 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 3: thing in terms of the drugs, was it a Gucci 239 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 3: fanny pack or a Gucci bag that had some drugs 240 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 3: in it? Yeah, even that was just comical because of 241 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 3: how what it was housed in, not even the fact 242 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 3: that there were so if there were just unbelievable amounts 243 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 3: of drugs, they would have pointed out there was this 244 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 3: amount of this, there was that amount of this, they 245 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: couldn't even do that, you know. 246 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 2: The other he saved a lot of his mocking for Capricorn. Clark, 247 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 2: who was an assistant, said she was okay. Two different 248 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: occasions she said she was kidnapped. One of them robes 249 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: was when he said she said did he came to 250 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: her house, said he had a gun, said you're coming 251 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 2: with me right now. And this is when they were 252 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: going to see kid Cutty. The other time, and this 253 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 2: is the one that attorney was mocking a lot when 254 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 2: she said she had to be subjected to a light 255 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 2: detector test for almost a week on a floor of 256 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: an abandoned building by a bodyguard or something, a goon 257 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: from Diddy and the attorney went. 258 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: To town on that one. 259 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: He certainly did. He said she was kidnapped and then 260 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: returned back to her home each night, and then returned 261 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 3: back with the kidnapper each day. And he kind of 262 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: made it, well, he didn't kind it. He made a 263 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 3: reference to the jurors. He said, kind of like you 264 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 3: all being forced to come back to court each day 265 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: and sit here and listen to this. Do any of 266 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: you feel kidnapped? 267 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: That's effective? 268 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 3: Once again, what do you do with that? He also 269 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 3: made a joke about the time that Capricorn Clark you 270 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 3: just mentioned it and said she felt like she had 271 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: to go with Diddy to go confront kid Cuddy, that 272 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 3: she believed he had a gun. He said, she was 273 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: probably so excited that he came to her house she 274 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 3: would have gone to the moon with him. 275 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: He didn't need to show a gun, it's his point, 276 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: like he didn't have he didn't need to threaten her. 277 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 3: With anything, and there's no proof that he did have one. 278 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's those ways that we listened to all 279 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 2: that testimony and it sounded like a harrowing. 280 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: Scary night. 281 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: And I'm sure a lot of what they talked about 282 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: she testified to was true, but he simplified it in 283 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: such a way that makes you simply have to question 284 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: what you heard. 285 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: And they this was a. 286 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 2: Good point on the Capricorn testimony. He told them during 287 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: his closing today, like the judge is going to instruct 288 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 2: you that if you know that a witness lied to 289 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: you once, that means you have the right to disregard 290 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: everything that came out of their mouth and testimony. 291 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, And so we knew obviously he was going 292 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 3: to Mark was going to have to address this domestic 293 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 3: violence issue, and he handled it so well, and it's 294 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 3: hard to that's hard to even have that come out 295 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 3: of my mouth. He handled the domestic violence issues so 296 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 3: well in the way that he said it. He said, 297 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: we own it. Did he did it? And if he 298 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 3: had been charged with it, you wouldn't be here because 299 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 3: he would have pled guilty. That also totally ring truth 300 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 3: for me and made you actually, you're going along with 301 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: him on his narrative because he says things where they 302 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 3: have to admit harsh truth. And yet then when they say, 303 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 3: but this didn't happen, Okay, that happened, and we'll admit 304 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 3: it freely. But just because he yes admits that he 305 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: beat Cassie, doesn't mean that any of these other charges 306 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 3: are true because he's not charged with that. And he 307 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: wanted that to be there, and he pointed out, we 308 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 3: are here because of money, and when he started laying 309 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: out why the jury's here, why his client is facing charges, 310 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: when he put it very plainly, did he is here 311 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: because of money? That was powerful. 312 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: All right, well, folks, stay with us here when we 313 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 2: come back, we're gonna get more into that money argument 314 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: he was making and why the attorney called Cassie Ventura Fine. 315 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: Gangsta in court today. 316 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: All right, folks, we're going to continue now discussion of 317 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: what has been the first half I guess of closing 318 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: arguments delivered by the lead attorney for the defense team, 319 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: Mark ag Agniphillo Agniphilo in one of these days. I'm 320 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: gonna get it right, mister Agnifilo. My apologies, but wrote 321 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: before we took a short break there we were talking 322 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: about and he was talking about Cassie Ventura Fine plenty 323 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: today and you know, part of she was an eight 324 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: and a half months pregnant woman. You're hearing terrible stories 325 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: about what she went through. We remember all the video. 326 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: But in describing her today, he made her sound like 327 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: a much different person. 328 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 3: He certainly did he And again he did not deny 329 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 3: that she was beaten. He did not deny that his 330 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 3: client beat her. But he made this very direct point 331 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 3: that he said, Cassie right now is sitting somewhere in 332 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 3: the world with thirty million dollars. She filed that lawsuit, 333 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 3: which of course call the attention of the feds. Did 334 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 3: he paid her twenty million dollars the following day, And 335 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 3: I did not know this the Hotel Intercontinental where that 336 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 3: beating that we all saw on that surveillance video took place. 337 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 3: They paid her ten million dollars and so she was 338 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 3: She did not go to the police. She did not 339 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 3: ask that the police charge him with a crime. She 340 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 3: asked for money, and that is why did he is 341 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: sitting in a defendant chair today. 342 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 2: No one is arguing that she earned was old, maybe 343 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: even old more than the twenty million that he gave her. 344 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 2: The point there in front of a jury in a 345 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 2: criminal case, though, is that she didn't even want to 346 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 2: bring charges. 347 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: It's that this is maybe. 348 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: Something else to this that is not about criminal enterprise, right, 349 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 2: And that is the effective way he made the case. 350 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: He didn't just call her a bad person, but he 351 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 2: did make some suggestions during his closing that she was 352 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 2: being manipulative and play two guys. 353 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 3: He said she was playing both Kid Cuttie and Sean 354 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 3: Ditty Combs, that she was not being truthful to either 355 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 3: one of them. And when he started going down that narrative, 356 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 3: he said she even had a burner phone to basically 357 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 3: keep two guys on the side without the other one 358 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 3: knowing about the other. And that's when he said Cassie's 359 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 3: keeping a gangster with the ooh, with the burner phone. 360 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 3: I mean he really went to town with her on 361 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 3: that one. I thought that was very interesting. And again 362 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: it is so relatable because you start looking at Cassie 363 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: differently when he puts it that way. She wasn't. Look 364 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 3: no one's arguing that she was a victim of domestic 365 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 3: violence and domestic abuse, and certainly, listening or at least 366 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: reading her testimony, it is gutting. It is horrific to 367 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 3: hear for any human what she underwent. But then he 368 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 3: made the point she eventually left Ditty because she wanted to. 369 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 3: That's not coercion, that's not being under someone's control under 370 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 3: a threat of us. She left freely when she wanted to. 371 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: The suggestion being she could have done that at any point. 372 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: That's the legal arguments. 373 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 2: Look, they have to consider laws that they're going to 374 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: get all that stuff to go through. But just sitting 375 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: there as a human being on the jury that he's 376 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: appealing to common sense and emotion. He's appealing to them 377 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: in a different way outside of a legal book. And 378 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: it seems right now, at least on paper, we're not 379 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: in the room. But it sounds like he is putting 380 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: on a show. 381 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Yeah. And speaking of money, he didn't 382 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 3: just point out Cassie. He pointed out Jane, who of 383 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 3: course was Ditty's other girlfriend who testified under that pseudonym, 384 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 3: who was such a big part of the prosecution's case. 385 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: He said, on Jane, I hope she's having a nice day, 386 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: but you know where she's doing it in a house 387 00:19:58,560 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 3: he's paying for. 388 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: That was a part of a whole section where he 389 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: was talking about he has taken care of he is 390 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: what he does, He takes care of people, and that 391 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: was one of the things he pointed out, but he 392 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 2: pointed it out in a sarcastic way. 393 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, but again one that reads true for all the jurors. 394 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 3: In fact, when you talked about him caring for people. 395 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 3: He started his closing arguments pointing out all of Ditty's 396 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 3: family who have been in the courtroom for most of 397 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 3: the trial, including his children. He said, these folks are 398 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 3: here because they love them and because he takes care 399 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 3: of his own. And he even talked about all the 400 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: folks who were his employees. He said, Okay, they didn't 401 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: maybe always like him, but they loved him. And they've 402 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 3: even testified to that fact. Even if they saw the 403 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 3: worst of him at times, they all still wanted to 404 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 3: be there. They all still wanted to be employed by him. 405 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 2: Well was it? He confessed though, that working for Ditty is. 406 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 3: Like drinking out of a fire huse. Yeah so yeah, so, 407 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 3: Like there's honest acknowledgments and admissions. He has a strong 408 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 3: personality that isn't for everyone, and certainly violent at times, 409 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 3: but he's not this mob boss evildoer that the prosecution 410 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 3: is trying to paint, according to the defense. 411 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 2: The last thing here I want to point out that 412 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: he said which was very powerful and quietly effective, and 413 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: he used Cassie even to refine as his witness with 414 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 2: her own words. And Rosey went back to when the 415 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 2: video first came out on CNN, we all saw him 416 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 2: beat her in the hallway. She had an outpouring of 417 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 2: people reaching out to her with sympathy and support and 418 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: things like that, and she went online and she made 419 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 2: an Instagram boast I believe it was in which she 420 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 2: said domestic violence is the issue. 421 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 3: And that is when Mark said, believe her, believe Cassie, 422 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 3: domestic violence is the issue, and that has been I 423 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 3: would say the foundation of the defense's argument that Diddy 424 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 3: isn't responsible and certainly isn't and can't be proved, that 425 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 3: all of these other he claims made up charges are 426 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 3: trumped up charges against him, have nothing to do with 427 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 3: the actual issue, which is domestic violence and that they've 428 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 3: admitted it and they want that to be what the 429 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 3: jurors see. Yes, and everything that they presented in terms 430 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 3: of the videos that has all pointed to that it's undeniable. 431 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 3: But it's nothing more than that is what the defense 432 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 3: is saying. And that was yeah, he said believe Cassie, 433 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: believe her at her own words. 434 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, don't take our word for it. 435 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: Listen to her. 436 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 3: Man. 437 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: That is fascinating. So he has been look and there 438 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,479 Speaker 2: is a difference. It's hard for us to read the 439 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 2: prosecution for five hours talking about legal statutes and if 440 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 2: it's matches this time over here with this person over 441 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 2: here is a part of the enterprise but doesn't know. 442 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: But then they have so that that's tougher to read. 443 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 2: We have to admit this has been entertaining as hell 444 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 2: just to read, just to read. So have two totally 445 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 2: different approaches and styles. You can see. 446 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: You gotta wonder as a juror, you know, if you're 447 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 3: presented with all of these overwhelming facts and flow charts 448 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 3: and then you get this larger than life theatrical attorney 449 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 3: speaking to you in common sense terms. Which one are 450 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 3: you gonna feel? Which one are you gonna remember? Which 451 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 3: one are you gonna take with you into the deliberation room. 452 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: You know, you make a good point, and you reminded 453 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: me of something I want to make sure I read 454 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: to our audience. Here here it is, and I don't know, 455 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,479 Speaker 2: damn it. I want to give her credit. I think 456 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 2: it's from the Washington Post, the reporter. But to your 457 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: point about the attorney agna Fillo, and I'm just gonna 458 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 2: quote everything she says about what she saw in the 459 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: room in contrast and start contrast to the prosecutions, very 460 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: structured and neutral. Closing argument, Defense Attorney Mark Agniphillo has 461 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: been animated and theatrical, pacing in front of the jury box, 462 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 2: his voice raised and almost cracking at certain points as 463 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: he bellowed and mocked the government. In his final remarks, 464 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 2: a free, willing Agniphillo, who has referred periodically to his notepad, 465 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: has gone on long rifts. There are no visual aids 466 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 2: so far, something the lawyer highlighted to jurors, perhaps in 467 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: an attempt to appear more authentic. It's risky jurors could 468 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 2: just as easily read this performance as a erratic Wow. 469 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and we're not in the room, so 470 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 3: we don't know how he's coming off. It's reading very, 471 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 3: very relatable, but maybe he's coming off as inauthentic. Maybe 472 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 3: he's coming off as too much It's hard to know, Yeah, performative, 473 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 3: it's hard to know what these jurors are thinking. Are 474 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 3: they looking at him skeptically? Are they looking at him 475 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 3: as if maybe it's even like some last like almost 476 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 3: where he's being overly dramatic because he's afraid of what 477 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 3: the truth is. You know, he's trying to mask or 478 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 3: at least cover up or confuse them from the facts. 479 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: And they might be skeptical because you know, most people 480 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 3: aren't huge fans of attorneys in general. They're not necessarily 481 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 3: considered the most trustworthy of folks. So who knows where 482 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 3: these jurors, what lends they're looking through as they're watching 483 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 3: Mark and maybe the more just measured specific charts and 484 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 3: float charts and that maybe that appeals to them more. 485 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 3: It's hard to say. 486 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 2: But the other side of that about him, is it 487 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: possible they're eating it up. 488 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 3: It is possible, and that's why watching courtrooms is fascinating 489 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 3: because in each juror could respond to each attorney very differently. 490 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 3: It's hard to know collectively what they're thinking, and we 491 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 3: won't know until they get into that deliberation room. But 492 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: certainly we will continue to monitor the wild events in 493 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 3: that Lower Manhattan courtroom throughout the day. Today we will 494 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 3: have a part two, a bonus episode dropping when the 495 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 3: defense arrests its case. We're expecting a rebuttal from the prosecution, 496 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 3: and then the judge is expected to charge the jury, 497 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 3: give them their instructions for deliberation. So a lot more 498 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 3: to come in the Diddy trial, So stay with us. 499 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 3: We will be back this afternoon.