Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast. Wayme's t D for the
Speaker 1: Move the Sticks Podcast. Welcome back to another edition of
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis
Speaker 1: and I'm joined by room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling and Greg Roseatal. What's up boys? Ow, it's Thursday?
Speaker 1: T G I G. I mean t something like something
Speaker 1: like that. What's up? What's up? Everybody? West back in
Speaker 1: the chair? Good to see again, buddy, good to be back.
Speaker 1: How are things going? How about a little Chris Westling
Speaker 1: health update? Maybe we have to cook up a sound
Speaker 1: drop for happen for now, just the straight up last update.
Speaker 1: I am. I am really looking forward to your cancer drop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's coming, It's coming. I started chemo and radiation this week.
Speaker 1: Radiation is ten minutes a day every Monday through Friday.
Speaker 1: Chemo is once a week. I feel good. The medicines
Speaker 1: are in. The technology is so good now that they
Speaker 1: really nausea is not much a factor. I think once
Speaker 1: they ramp up the treatments, I'll start to feel more
Speaker 1: more fatigue. But they want me to exercise as much
Speaker 1: as possible. I'll be playing softball with the shield tonight
Speaker 1: and I feel good, I feel strong. Everything's going well,
Speaker 1: and the paramore has been by my side, taking notes,
Speaker 1: asking all the questions, recording all the doctors. Meeting has
Speaker 1: been a big been a big support system for me.
Speaker 1: Here comes the broad. He's been an m v P.
Speaker 1: I mean, and you're I mean, you're feeling good enough
Speaker 1: that you know you had the treatment on Tuesday. You
Speaker 1: were back in the office on a very slow O
Speaker 1: t a Wednesday yesterday. At one point I think because
Speaker 1: of the news that was coming in, you were just like,
Speaker 1: I picked the right time a year to get cancer.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, there's nothing going on. It's part of
Speaker 1: my new my new favorite genre. West makes jokes about cancer.
Speaker 1: Once you're yeah, I mean it sucks, um, I I
Speaker 1: assumed to be diagnosed with cancer. But the one positive
Speaker 1: of it is you can start just up and out,
Speaker 1: ramping up your cancer bits and you could say whatever
Speaker 1: you want as you do. You have it well, I
Speaker 1: like playing the cancer card. That's that's been fun for me,
Speaker 1: you know, get out of a few things. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been all right. You were saying, the radiation, the little
Speaker 1: ten minute treatments that sometimes you just sit back and
Speaker 1: relax and yeah, I put my arm behind my head
Speaker 1: because the radiation is going right into my chest. And
Speaker 1: they play a little Bob Marley for ten minutes and
Speaker 1: I space out and I'm out of there. You sent
Speaker 1: out a photo and Greg got a good comment on
Speaker 1: Facebook basically that you, underneath line back getting the treatment
Speaker 1: underneath blankets looked more manly than most any of us
Speaker 1: would ever look it. Just you still somehow looked like
Speaker 1: a gigantic, amazing man. I was speaking for myself essentially there,
Speaker 1: but checked out. Wait, so let me just Le'm gonna
Speaker 1: picture it. So you're laying back, arms above your head,
Speaker 1: tucked behind uh right behind your ears. I like it,
Speaker 1: all right, appropriate time for that. So there's the West update,
Speaker 1: and he's playing center field for the Shield today. We
Speaker 1: need to win two straight losses. Um. I I took
Speaker 1: the wife to a band of horses concert last Thursday,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I left Greg and charge and
Speaker 1: you know a sloppy loss. Wow, First of all, that's
Speaker 1: not even accurate. West was our acting manager, and West
Speaker 1: made a beautiful uh shoe string sliding catch out there
Speaker 1: in center field. Keep deflecting Donald job game, losing streak.
Speaker 1: Everyone is involved. Cabs we gotta we gotta this. It
Speaker 1: was this time last year, by the way that I
Speaker 1: tried to put it on me. I suspended David Eally
Speaker 1: uh for skipping out of a game to watch Game
Speaker 1: one of the NBA Finals, which starts tonight. Uh. And
Speaker 1: I do have to say if there is not a win,
Speaker 1: if we do not win tonight and we lose our
Speaker 1: third game in the row, there will be consequences people
Speaker 1: on the roster. I like it. I gotta shake things up.
Speaker 1: I was four for four last week's skip. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be I'm gonna be watching everyone very closely. Put
Speaker 1: it that way. We do have a good luck charm today,
Speaker 1: Mama Wesley and flying in from Cincinnati just before game time.
Speaker 1: A little bit of pressure on you. Definitely a little
Speaker 1: bit of pressure. When my dad came to a game
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago and it was like my third
Speaker 1: and fat and uh. I was, you know, focusing on
Speaker 1: the picture and then all of a sudden, I here
Speaker 1: come on, Danny rappit and I was I was like
Speaker 1: thrown back as an eleven year old and the Little League.
Speaker 1: Uh so maybe your mom will be drinking wine coolers
Speaker 1: and you know, yet tending up. Well, yeah, that's how
Speaker 1: I remember her at my games, drinking Bartles and James
Speaker 1: and and hanging out with the loud moms. We'll be
Speaker 1: in the stands with so I'll make sure she has
Speaker 1: a drink in hand. At very good we got the
Speaker 1: uh uh erstwhile GM as well. So we're flying here.
Speaker 1: Uh big show today, you know it's a big show.
Speaker 1: We're bringing back the Dalton scale. Whoa oho, the Dalton
Speaker 1: scaleen uh, in which we decide who is west what
Speaker 1: who is because I don't understand primary radiant of quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: If any Dalton is right in the middle, that means
Speaker 1: if your quarterback is ranked ahead of him, you've got
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. You're set. If your quarterback is ranked
Speaker 1: behind him, you need an answer, you need a solution.
Speaker 1: We do this every year. This is the third year
Speaker 1: we've done it. Um Andy Dalton was the face of
Speaker 1: mediocrity or that that middle gray area for for many years.
Speaker 1: Last year we had collectively decided Alex Smith was the
Speaker 1: more fitting person there. So we'll figure out who is
Speaker 1: in that spot, that primar ridian spot, and then we'll
Speaker 1: figure out who's around that spot, who's above Who's Who's
Speaker 1: Who's a franchise quarterback? That's the question. That is the key,
Speaker 1: and that's what all teams are looking for, uh, is
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. So all gms will be tuned in
Speaker 1: very closely to this podcast. I'm sure. Also, we're gonna
Speaker 1: do uh some news, so we're gonna have some fun
Speaker 1: and uh. Before we get going, I want to say
Speaker 1: hi to Sully behind the glass us. What's up, bud
Speaker 1: Hi Fellers are you today? Colors doing well? What is
Speaker 1: uh you? You did a great job in the first show,
Speaker 1: appreciate it taking over in your Dan Campbell role for Sydney.
Speaker 1: And now Dan Campbell won his first game if you remember, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was all bro hugs and um, you know, puffing
Speaker 1: out their chest and being all proud of themselves. And
Speaker 1: that Dolphins team then went in the tank. If you recall,
Speaker 1: Dan didn't come back. So you're looking to avoid that fate,
Speaker 1: Oh certainly, yeah, yeah, we want to keep those bro
Speaker 1: hugs going. Already drawing the parallel to Dan Campbell. If
Speaker 1: that's what Dan Campbell did with the Dolphins, between that
Speaker 1: coach and and Sully, that seems very ominous that it's
Speaker 1: all down him for Sully, I mean Sally Wood. Sally
Speaker 1: would do so well to be looking like Dan Campbell.
Speaker 1: I'm just by the way, wearing wearing a podcast park
Speaker 1: of Today, one that we all own, but ours are
Speaker 1: adorned with the around the NFL logo. His move the sticks.
Speaker 1: I was only given one. I was only given one
Speaker 1: quarters up. It's a bit of an allegiance issue that
Speaker 1: we're working through. But I'm putting Sully's professionalism above all,
Speaker 1: so I'm not I'm not going to be ignored. Let's
Speaker 1: do some news. Fine me, waiter man, fine me, water
Speaker 1: everything to me. It's Tack McKinley, of course, the star
Speaker 1: of the first round of the NFL draft when he
Speaker 1: brought a picture frame poster of his deceased grandmother after
Speaker 1: being drafted overall by the Falcons. Made some more news
Speaker 1: today which I enjoyed. Uh. He posted on Instagram a
Speaker 1: video dancing and celebrating the fact that he just went
Speaker 1: from being dirt porter a millionaire. I like this guy.
Speaker 1: Like this Tach mckill. I hope he can play as
Speaker 1: much as he entertains, uh in his rookie campaign. We'll say, now,
Speaker 1: let's talk some news and We'll start with a big trade. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's a trade and it's the it's the most depressing
Speaker 1: kind of trade. A trade between the Jets and the
Speaker 1: Browns um as the two teams swap um. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's a nice way to call these
Speaker 1: these two players to Marry O'Davis and Calvin Pryor underachiever
Speaker 1: one is an underachiever prior former first round pick to
Speaker 1: Mario Davis is kind of just a guy at most
Speaker 1: the linebackers. So you saw the rare one for one
Speaker 1: trade with Calvin Pryor going to the Browns uh and
Speaker 1: tomorrow Davis, who was a former Jet coming back to
Speaker 1: New York. Uh. The browns Uh later confirmed the trade agreement.
Speaker 1: And because Sashy Brown loves for people to know what
Speaker 1: Sashy Brown thinks about things, uh, there was a missive
Speaker 1: sent out by Mr. Brown. Calvin is a young, experienced
Speaker 1: safety that has upside. We are pleased to be able
Speaker 1: to add him to our defensive back room, and just
Speaker 1: like every player we acquire, we expect him to come
Speaker 1: in with a hard working mindset, ready to compete to
Speaker 1: Mario is a guy that we developed the utmost respect
Speaker 1: for in his time with our team, not only as
Speaker 1: a professional but also as a person. We appreciate all
Speaker 1: he did for our organization in his time in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: Sashi went to Harvard. I believe so, Sashi, it's safety
Speaker 1: who has upside, not safety that has wrote it. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Can I just say something, you know, keep talking.
Speaker 1: Calvin Pryor is terrible. I'm just gonna be honest with
Speaker 1: to use a bad player a year ago at this time,
Speaker 1: it should be pointed out you were very high on him,
Speaker 1: he was going to be very good. I just want
Speaker 1: to point that out not true. We we got into
Speaker 1: a little thing that you you said that you had
Speaker 1: some high you hired high Calvin Brack. I also got
Speaker 1: publicly roasted by Calvin Pryor on Twitter for suggesting that
Speaker 1: he wasn't quite a superstar at that stage of the season.
Speaker 1: He had a bad year and then he has a
Speaker 1: promising year, and then he was, uh, the worst safety
Speaker 1: on a team with terrible safeties last year. You could
Speaker 1: check the check the tape. Uh. And I just want
Speaker 1: to make the point that some of the talking like, uh,
Speaker 1: the Browns are making another Patriots move taking somebody's old
Speaker 1: first round have fun with Calvin Pryoris, who is saying
Speaker 1: I read that in multiple places where I mean honestly
Speaker 1: that I think this trade is exactly how we've It's
Speaker 1: two it's two teams struggling to build a roster. No
Speaker 1: one is praising the Browns for getting a safety that
Speaker 1: the Jets don't want, and no one's praising the Jets
Speaker 1: for getting a linebacker back that they didn't even try
Speaker 1: to resign. Say, it's a non issue move, it's not
Speaker 1: a big deal. Both teams had a need at the position.
Speaker 1: The Browns need safeties. They'll give him a shot. It
Speaker 1: was not guaranteed to make the roster. And also, if
Speaker 1: we're gonna spend all this time on Sashy Brown and
Speaker 1: I'll go work with I'll work for Sully next time.
Speaker 1: But Mike mccagnet, who was a Glory who was a
Speaker 1: Glory boy about a year ago, has sunk this team
Speaker 1: into the ground. He has He has a lot more
Speaker 1: to answer for than Sashy Brown, who has helped a
Speaker 1: crew massive amount of draft picks. Amazing that amazing one
Speaker 1: and fifteen season mark. Yes, he's doing amazing worker. You
Speaker 1: can say that, but honestly, you don't the Browns have
Speaker 1: done a nice job. You're turning this into like a
Speaker 1: Brown's verse Jets. I was, I was certain. I was
Speaker 1: just pointing out that the Browns are getting a bum
Speaker 1: and the Jets getting a bum back as well, the
Speaker 1: multiple ways the friend there you go, doesn't Mark? Is
Speaker 1: there any chance that the Browns Greg Williams sees Calvin
Speaker 1: Pryor is his new Mark Barron where he'll he'll be
Speaker 1: playing that hybrid linebacker safety rule. I saw. I saw
Speaker 1: that also, but I don't see that being true until
Speaker 1: Calvin Pryor proves anything on the field. I just think
Speaker 1: it's a low stakes trade. Right. They are very thin
Speaker 1: at linebacker now, but Davis didn't quite fit. They're very
Speaker 1: thin as safety. The best way I would categorize this
Speaker 1: trade is if it happened on the fifth day of
Speaker 1: free agency or the third day of the draft, it
Speaker 1: would have not made our podcast. It would have not
Speaker 1: been big enough news to make our podcast because those
Speaker 1: were busy times. Now you knows it's Brown's Jets and
Speaker 1: and now I got I'm not it's what we got
Speaker 1: here on June. Well, no, continue on. It's just like
Speaker 1: if you you put all this pre production into selling
Speaker 1: the Browns down the river. The Jets are no pretty
Speaker 1: picture either. I mean, like Mike mccagnet has a lot
Speaker 1: to answer for what I'm the guy. I'm coming for
Speaker 1: your corner, buddy, I'm a coming for you. I am
Speaker 1: the lowest guy in the totem pole. Now I'm excited
Speaker 1: about it. Not Yes, we're scamming for Sam. Baby can't
Speaker 1: have that too. So it's not like I'm saying, Oh, Mike,
Speaker 1: can't I'm coming, baby. You can't have that too from you.
Speaker 1: You have you have to suffer through it to get it.
Speaker 1: I'm coming is not going to just get handed to you.
Speaker 1: Dan in May and June West has never been happier
Speaker 1: with his decision to not root for an NFL Who's
Speaker 1: Who's thirty one and who's thirty two? Uh? Moving on,
Speaker 1: all right, very listen. I should have seen that coming,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. And I apologize, Mark. My GM had
Speaker 1: a horrible year two. Your GM is getting a lot
Speaker 1: of accolades. That's all right, now, you know what I'm not.
Speaker 1: I have nothing else to say on the matter. Moving on,
Speaker 1: Matt Jones, WHOA what a swift fall from Matt Jones Uh,
Speaker 1: the running back who has once seen is maybe the
Speaker 1: future guy on the Redskins in the backfield. Mike Silver
Speaker 1: reported Thursday that Jones has been told by coach j
Speaker 1: Gruten that Gruten that he's now the team's number five
Speaker 1: running back. UM motivating at least part of the man's
Speaker 1: decision to stay away from O t As. Uh. Let's
Speaker 1: see who else is on that list of running backs?
Speaker 1: Rob Kelly, Uh, someone's gonna help me with this one.
Speaker 1: Samash Perene might be their Week one starter. Chris Thompson,
Speaker 1: Mac Brown uh and Keith Marshall. And speaking of Rob Kelly,
Speaker 1: known by many as fat Rob Kelly, he has done
Speaker 1: some work cutting his body fat from eighteen percent totent
Speaker 1: this offseason. A nice little offseason trope there. Uh. Kelly
Speaker 1: says he feels more explosive, explosive, faster, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Wes Matt Jones, Are you surprised how far he's fallen
Speaker 1: in this time? No, I'm not. I know Greg is,
Speaker 1: but I am not surprised, And I'm not surprised that
Speaker 1: Rob Kelly feels the need to lose some weight and
Speaker 1: uh he feels somaj Peeren on his on his back
Speaker 1: because the last six games of last season, Rob Kelly
Speaker 1: averaged less than three point three yards per carry. Their
Speaker 1: running game, which looks strong at mid season, faltered down
Speaker 1: the stretch. Somaja p Ryan's basically a more athletic version
Speaker 1: of Rob Kelly, like when we did when I did
Speaker 1: that projected Starter series, I put him as the starter
Speaker 1: just because I think they they send a message drafting him.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised about Matt Jones because it is worth mentioning
Speaker 1: he averaged four point six yards per carry last year
Speaker 1: in carries, he broke a lot of tackles. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he's averaged fourteen yards per catch in his career. He's
Speaker 1: made place. He's just fumbled a lot. He didn't fumble
Speaker 1: a lot last year, really, but he did in a
Speaker 1: couple of key spots twice in one game, and they
Speaker 1: never looked back. I think it's a personal thing, and
Speaker 1: it's also a reminder that coaches lie through their teeth.
Speaker 1: Because Jay Gruden, the first time he didn't show up
Speaker 1: to O t A s acted surprised, and the reporting
Speaker 1: since and and other whispers I've heard are that that
Speaker 1: was a total fabrication that he had met with Jay
Speaker 1: Gruden before that, and they both knew exactly what was
Speaker 1: gonna happen, and he got the you know, idea that
Speaker 1: he basically wasn't part of the picture, and he decided
Speaker 1: must screw that. Cut me and other running back news.
Speaker 1: The Awakening is awake once more. Let's call it awakening
Speaker 1: five point oh. Christen Michael has signed with the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 1: Michael who spent last season with the Seahawks, he finishes
Speaker 1: the team's leading rusher, uh and then a short stint
Speaker 1: with the Packers that didn't ultimately work out. Now he
Speaker 1: lands with the Colts. West. You wrote about this, you
Speaker 1: believe that if Kristen Michael is going to get a
Speaker 1: job on the first day of June, he led it
Speaker 1: in a pretty good spot. I think this was the
Speaker 1: best possible scenario for him. A backfield that desperately needs
Speaker 1: speed and playmaking ability with Frank Gore who had basically
Speaker 1: fewer big plays than any starting running back in the NFL,
Speaker 1: their backup running back Robert Turbin is one of the
Speaker 1: slowest backups in the NFL. They do have Marlon Mack,
Speaker 1: who's a rookie, but maybe they don't want to put
Speaker 1: all their marbles in that bank. So Kristin Michael is
Speaker 1: going to get a chance, I think, to make this
Speaker 1: team and to have a pretty significant role. We've been
Speaker 1: down this road forty to fifty times at this point
Speaker 1: with Kristen Michael, and he's been in good situations before
Speaker 1: where they've given him prime opportunities to prove that he
Speaker 1: can be a week to week starter. And it refuses
Speaker 1: to click anywhere. And it must be his ability. It
Speaker 1: must be stu ability to retain the playbook and other
Speaker 1: stuff and other stuff as well. It's not just his
Speaker 1: athletic ability. Well, he miss mental errors, he misreads holes
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage, and he's not an asset
Speaker 1: in the passing game. That said, it's on tape in September.
Speaker 1: In early October last year, he ran better than any
Speaker 1: Seattle running back. I West. You know, I I feel
Speaker 1: that you were an excellent writer and you did a
Speaker 1: very good job on this piece on NFL dot Com.
Speaker 1: But I will take issue with your final paragraph. After
Speaker 1: watching the Seahawks, Packers, Cowboys, and Redskins failed to unleash
Speaker 1: Michael's athletic explosiveness over the past few seasons. How about
Speaker 1: Kristin Michael accountability. He failed those teams and failed they
Speaker 1: gave him a shot. He just can't seem to stick
Speaker 1: around anywhere. But part of the equation is coaching and development,
Speaker 1: so you think he has yet to find I think
Speaker 1: right staff to to bring it out of him at
Speaker 1: this point. I think he was ultimately scapegoated in Seattle
Speaker 1: last year. Did any running back with that offensive line
Speaker 1: they had early in the season and Russell Wilson not
Speaker 1: a threat to run on a high ankle spring, no
Speaker 1: running back was gonna do well. He was scapegoaded and
Speaker 1: no running back really did better than him in Seattle
Speaker 1: the rest of the something's going on though, that didn't
Speaker 1: work with the Packers, and uh, I mean, he's got
Speaker 1: a shot here. But I'm surprised personally that Chris Ballard
Speaker 1: and I think he just had so much to do
Speaker 1: on his wish list this year. I think if he
Speaker 1: had all the draft picks and the money of the world,
Speaker 1: he would have done a more to upgrade the spot
Speaker 1: next to Gore, because I think they like having Gore,
Speaker 1: but I think the less Gore for them probably the
Speaker 1: more effects. I also don't know particularly know if I
Speaker 1: trust Chuck Bagano's staff over that of the Seahawks or
Speaker 1: the Cowboys or the Packers. Moving on, you know, I
Speaker 1: have to say this about offensive lineman NFL offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: If you had to pick who you wanted to be
Speaker 1: if you were an NFL player, maybe wouldn't pick those
Speaker 1: guys because they're kind of the grunts. They're the big dudes.
Speaker 1: They I'm sure they do well with with the ladies,
Speaker 1: but maybe it's it's more fun to be a saucy
Speaker 1: quarterback or running back or wide receiver. But I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, all right, great, by the way, what are
Speaker 1: you looking for? But I was picking something up. Continue
Speaker 1: on at least ones to show something like this happening
Speaker 1: on over there every every show. But offensive lineman. Those
Speaker 1: guys have fun. I feel like if I wanted to,
Speaker 1: uh go out for a day out or a night out,
Speaker 1: I'd probably go out with a lineman. And I bring
Speaker 1: this up because the Tennessee Titans offensive line has started
Speaker 1: a tradition I don't know how plugged. And you guys
Speaker 1: are in the Stanley Cup Finals. Not very big Predators
Speaker 1: fan right here, the Preads. The Preds are in the
Speaker 1: in the Finals against the Pittsburgh Penguins. Right now they're
Speaker 1: down to oh and things aren't looking good. But the
Speaker 1: Titans linemen have started a tradition where they all go
Speaker 1: to the game together. They were matching jerseys. Um, they
Speaker 1: hoist uh fresh fresh catfish in their bare hands and
Speaker 1: then slug giant beers and pour the beers down the
Speaker 1: gullets of the dead catfish and the wholk they put
Speaker 1: the put them on the jumbo trown and the crowd
Speaker 1: goes nuts. That's pretty fun. I mean stupid is there too? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the star right next to him. He's doing You'll
Speaker 1: notice he's very quarterbacks and all these basics. He's standing
Speaker 1: there smiling. Uh. And just because it was down the beer. No,
Speaker 1: I have not seen him chugging any of the videos
Speaker 1: that I've seen. Game three in Nashville on Saturday night,
Speaker 1: you know it's to go off, and I tell her Luan,
Speaker 1: who is a Pro Bowl tackle of course for Tennessee,
Speaker 1: and he's the ringleader all of all this. Uh. He
Speaker 1: gave an interview uh to the local Nashville station and
Speaker 1: talked about it a little bit. Let's here, Well, I
Speaker 1: knew I wanted you the catfish. I started about two
Speaker 1: weeks before the new catfish was the thing. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know that until the playoffs actually start, and um,
Speaker 1: we get there, I have my catfish. I mean, the
Speaker 1: boys are talking. I'm like, I'm gonna crank a beer.
Speaker 1: After I was like, where, why don't we all just
Speaker 1: drink a beer? It's all crank a beer together, Like
Speaker 1: all right, so I'm the plan. Let's hold the catfish up,
Speaker 1: wait for the crowd to enjoy it, slam the catfish down,
Speaker 1: and then all of us cheers and just cranking. And uh,
Speaker 1: I think it was just good old fashioned fun, just
Speaker 1: a not to noodling. Do you know what noodling is
Speaker 1: in Tennessee? Sally probably knows what new Yeah, you go,
Speaker 1: you're going, uh, you're you're looking for catfish and there
Speaker 1: are bodes and you're like to kick your hands and
Speaker 1: the actually the like the muddy hut of a catfish
Speaker 1: underwater and I happen out with your hand and you
Speaker 1: could people like lose fingers and stuff. But oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like there was a show about this on
Speaker 1: some Yeah, so that's where this comes from. I think
Speaker 1: where where it comes from as the kind of adapting
Speaker 1: the Detroit octopus octopus and throwing its weird man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is is a weird thing Tennessee and Tennessee and
Speaker 1: up the Detroit tradition is what are you plugged in
Speaker 1: on the on the Preds? Yeah with the Preds, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're They've outplayed the Penguins, and I think everybody
Speaker 1: would agree with me for most of this series. But
Speaker 1: other than two five minutes stretches, two minutes five minutes
Speaker 1: stretches where they just gave up a flurry of three
Speaker 1: and four, has anyone on this side of the glass
Speaker 1: watched ten minutes of the NHL Finals. I'm tracking it
Speaker 1: because Damna check is still plugged in with his Penguins.
Speaker 1: But I do like the tailor one is all about cranking. Well,
Speaker 1: this is it's good. It's good for Nashville that they're
Speaker 1: getting a taste of big time sports action because listeners
Speaker 1: will remember since since our bosses won't send us to
Speaker 1: the UK, we've said that they're gonna send us to
Speaker 1: Nashville this year around the NFL podcast Onto Nashville, We're
Speaker 1: going there. So it's a little bit of an appetizer
Speaker 1: before we show up. Well, I don't believe they've signed
Speaker 1: off on that yet either, But no, let's move on.
Speaker 1: I'm Rob Gronkowski and welcome to my soon. Oh turn
Speaker 1: this up, Sally. You know you've gotta like it. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what this song, Craig and what does it mean? Greg?
Speaker 1: Panka is back, not not quite, but we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: some Thursday Night football and Prianka celebration music is necessary
Speaker 1: because Mike tarik I was gonna be in the boot
Speaker 1: on a full time capacity. Sports Business Daily reported Wednesday
Speaker 1: at the NFL approved h NBC's request to allow how
Speaker 1: silly that ever came to this, to allow Tarrico allowed
Speaker 1: to Rico, the like borderline or arguably the best guy
Speaker 1: in the business of this, to be the play by
Speaker 1: play announcer for Thursday Night Football, taking Al Michael's place
Speaker 1: alongside Chris Collinsworth. So Collinsworth stays on the Thursday Sunday shift.
Speaker 1: Al Michaels is one and done as a Thursday Sunday guy,
Speaker 1: which I think makes sense for everyone. Tariko from the
Speaker 1: time he jumped from ESPN to NBC made the most sense,
Speaker 1: uh for Thursday Night and now al Michaels, who is
Speaker 1: in his early to mid seventies. At this point can
Speaker 1: go back to just focusing on one game a week.
Speaker 1: Uh win win for everyone, and especially for the Tariko
Speaker 1: fans like me out there, who now can guarantee to
Speaker 1: get Mike. There's maybe the games will be crap, but
Speaker 1: the guy calling him won't be. How was the Tariko
Speaker 1: fan reddit board after this news blew up? It actually crashed.
Speaker 1: You're like the greedy, greedy of Reddit where you're running
Speaker 1: the red boards. Yeah, we were not. A lot of
Speaker 1: us got sleep last night. Put it that way once
Speaker 1: the news came out. So Tarrico will call Thursday football
Speaker 1: and finally I love it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: should be there for the next twenty five years. I
Speaker 1: don't know if TNF should be, but it should be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think uh al Michael's we all love al too,
Speaker 1: but you know you need to have a succession plan.
Speaker 1: By the way, saw Pianca. If I'm not mistaken in Baywatch,
Speaker 1: went to see Baywatch during my vacation week. You know where?
Speaker 1: You know where that was filmed? Right? Tybee? Baywatch was
Speaker 1: filmed on Tybee. That's why I went to see it. No,
Speaker 1: I because I I had ripped through a bunch of
Speaker 1: movies and it was the only one left. But she
Speaker 1: played if I'm not mistaken. I at one point I
Speaker 1: left for like twenty minutes. It's walking around the movie theater.
Speaker 1: But like um, it's supposed to be a wretched film.
Speaker 1: It's awful but very enjoyable if you go in realizing
Speaker 1: this maybe one of the top worst movie, top five
Speaker 1: horse movies you've ever seen. In it fit that bill
Speaker 1: Mark is full of surprises, but rarely have I been
Speaker 1: Morris eyes by anything coming out of his mouth. Then
Speaker 1: I went to see Baywatch. Our house was under construction.
Speaker 1: I had to leave for like hours at a time,
Speaker 1: and I was doing it a week long staycation, you know,
Speaker 1: so honest, honest. The answer, how much did the hot
Speaker 1: babe factor come into the decision to go? Didn't hurt
Speaker 1: at all. Of course, it helped me get in there.
Speaker 1: But that, I will say that alone is not you
Speaker 1: could get that anywhere. I mean, it's a it's not
Speaker 1: a good reason to spend I think I dropped sixteen
Speaker 1: dollars to get into the theater too. Wow. By the way,
Speaker 1: never the movie, she plays some sort of villains. She's
Speaker 1: like the antagonist in the film. Yeah, she's fine. It's
Speaker 1: like you've seen the same You've seen the role seventeen
Speaker 1: eighteen thousand times before. K Rich once upon a time
Speaker 1: tease the possibility that we could get Prianka in studio,
Speaker 1: but that never happened, and Andrianka then was one and
Speaker 1: done as the voice of Thursday Night. Yeah, we are
Speaker 1: the only people keeping the memory of that great song alive.
Speaker 1: And I'm proud of that. You do love that song. Greg. Finally,
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant Uh at Cowboys O t as Uh this week.
Speaker 1: Uh I was talking about driving fast because the Indie
Speaker 1: five winner a lot of sports, a lot of different
Speaker 1: sports coming up today. Uh. Takuma Sato was at the practice. Greg,
Speaker 1: did I get that right? I know you have a
Speaker 1: Japanese wife. Wow, I believe so, And it doesn't make
Speaker 1: me an expert in all pronunciation. It sounds right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I nailed it. Anyway, des Brian was asked
Speaker 1: what's the fastest he's gone in a car because he's
Speaker 1: a maniac. He said he went one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: miles per hour and his Bentley got pulled over by
Speaker 1: the cops who didn't give him a ticket. We'd still
Speaker 1: be in jail if we got pulled over for going
Speaker 1: one eight. I'm just curious for you guys, because for me,
Speaker 1: I I've never I've never been that guy. You know,
Speaker 1: my car history is a Ford s Court into a Honda,
Speaker 1: a Chord into a Jetta. Uh so, I don't have
Speaker 1: any high octane sports cars in my past. So once
Speaker 1: I get if I get onto the highway and I
Speaker 1: get into the you know, feeling good, there's no traffic
Speaker 1: all a sudden, I'm at eighty and then if I
Speaker 1: creep a little bit more, I could feel it, and
Speaker 1: then I went out and that's eighty five. Say nine
Speaker 1: is the highest ever gone highest you have fastest you've
Speaker 1: ever driven in a car? Be honest. The statue of
Speaker 1: limitations is up hundred and five. You got the triple
Speaker 1: digits once. I mean on. This was in Kansas, driving
Speaker 1: on I believe Routes seventy from basically east coast all
Speaker 1: the way to Denver, and there were no cars in
Speaker 1: either direction at all. And I got up there and
Speaker 1: then I looked. I didn't intentionally do you look at
Speaker 1: the s pedomen I got my god, get down, Greg.
Speaker 1: I was writing that same area. Similar story driving with
Speaker 1: a friend from Massachusetts to l A back in about
Speaker 1: two thousand two thoe it went over a hundred, but
Speaker 1: I don't remember not much. I drove a Dodd Ram
Speaker 1: pickup truck for ten years. Outside of that, I've had
Speaker 1: nothing but gelopes and those cars. Every single one of
Speaker 1: them would shake. Yeah, mind shaf it was shake when
Speaker 1: you get out the eighty five or ninety. I think
Speaker 1: I've probably top ninety a couple of times, but I've
Speaker 1: definitely never been in triple figures. Mine was like a
Speaker 1: nine center. I was a little surprised that could could
Speaker 1: handle that. So you seem like a guy that maybe
Speaker 1: I think I might have. All you guys beat does
Speaker 1: Bryan beat. I don't know if we could count it
Speaker 1: tough I've done, it doesn't really count, all right, It
Speaker 1: was awesome to drive on Talladega. It was it was sweet.
Speaker 1: Ex Uh listen, everybody, let's save for the White Bad
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Speaker 1: on Twitter, who actually took the time to collect all
Speaker 1: of the offseason podcasts that we've teased but never recorded. Uh.
Speaker 1: Someones that stand out, of course, the Theology podcast, which
Speaker 1: is coming, it's coming. Uh, let's see someones that we liked.
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Speaker 1: I remember that error of the show where West was
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Speaker 1: I enjoyed that time. Yeah, Dan's Gullibility podcast is a
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Speaker 1: get us that code. It's in process. This justice is slow,
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Speaker 1: is the time. Yes, it's an annual tradition here at
Speaker 1: the Round the NFL podcast, the Dalton Scale edition, and yes,
Speaker 1: huzza indeed, because everybody loves talking quarterbacks, and this conversation
Speaker 1: is special because I believe, and it's always you know,
Speaker 1: it's always been a bit nebulous or nebulos um to me.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's nebulous for a reason,
Speaker 1: which is because it's a science that really breaks down.
Speaker 1: Who has the quarterback to take them to the promised Lendon?
Speaker 1: Who doesn't West Again a brief rundown. How this came
Speaker 1: to be and where we're at now. I believe it
Speaker 1: started about four years ago, two thousand and fourteen, when
Speaker 1: we all realized that Andy Dalton was quarterback purgatory, that
Speaker 1: he could take you to the playoffs. He was a facilitator.
Speaker 1: He was only as good as the surrounding talent, but
Speaker 1: he didn't make teammates better, and the Bengals would lose
Speaker 1: their first playoff game every year. So we put Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton as the primary inning of quarterbacks. If your quarterback
Speaker 1: is ranked ahead of him, you have an answer. You've
Speaker 1: got your guy. You are set with a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: If your quarterback is ranked behind Andy Dalton, you need
Speaker 1: a quarterback. You don't have an answer. You're threw you're
Speaker 1: running him out there every week, but you probably want
Speaker 1: to trade it for a guy or draft a guy.
Speaker 1: There you go a great explainer. And uh, in terms
Speaker 1: of the history of this podcast, So Dalton was that guy.
Speaker 1: Then Dalton had that big year as we all know
Speaker 1: in two thousand fifteen, ended prematurely with the broken thumb,
Speaker 1: but he was one of the better pastors in the
Speaker 1: a f C. So uh, Collectively it was decided it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be right to stick him at that spot. Maybe
Speaker 1: he'd moved up a little bit, and we all decided
Speaker 1: collectively that Alex Smith was the new prime Ridian And um, so,
Speaker 1: I guess the good way to start here, and we'll
Speaker 1: start with you, Mark, is who should we install as
Speaker 1: that prime Ridian figure? And then we could work our
Speaker 1: way both backwards and forwards around that figure. And uh, Mark,
Speaker 1: do you wanna maybe make the case for Alex Smith
Speaker 1: remaining that man? I will make the case for Alex
Speaker 1: Smith because I don't know what has changed with Alex
Speaker 1: Smith over the last year to change my impression of him.
Speaker 1: As we mentioned on our NFL Network, Kid the guy
Speaker 1: is to and four in the playoffs. He has proven
Speaker 1: over and over that he's good enough to get your team.
Speaker 1: He can he can serviceably get your team to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: He's not going to shred that opportunity, can get you there.
Speaker 1: But then it all starts to crumble. And Alex Smith
Speaker 1: to me is just he's extremely milk toast and the
Speaker 1: Chiefs to the Chiefs have made it very clear that
Speaker 1: they have come to the conclusion that is exactly the
Speaker 1: same they traded up to draft Patrick mah Himes. That
Speaker 1: needs work, of course, but he offers a skill set
Speaker 1: that is a counter complete counter to Alex Smith's and
Speaker 1: they want to go in a different direction. And that
Speaker 1: to me tells you Alex Smith is out sooner than
Speaker 1: later in Kansas City. Yeah, I think you have to
Speaker 1: consider Alex Smith below the Dalton scale. Now. The Chiefs
Speaker 1: have told us he's not a franchise quarterback. When Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers fell to the Packers and they had Brett Farve,
Speaker 1: they took him because he was the best player on
Speaker 1: the board. The Chiefs gave away an extra first round pick,
Speaker 1: traded way up to Patrick Mahomes, and that's a much
Speaker 1: different story. Right even if Smith is sort of right
Speaker 1: near the line, I think that move really says the
Speaker 1: Chiefs believe he's below the line. And when you start
Speaker 1: to do the numbers and what we can talk about
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, when you start to just line up all
Speaker 1: these players, in my mind, it's unfair to have Dalton
Speaker 1: as the middle. But then you think about who are
Speaker 1: the guys you would rather have and the guys you wouldn't,
Speaker 1: and you know what, it still works out pretty even
Speaker 1: I did a list of who who I would want
Speaker 1: as my quarterback moving forward, and Andy Dalton landed right
Speaker 1: smack in the middle of starting quarterbacks. Number sixteen. Now
Speaker 1: he's better than the number sixteen quarterback used to be,
Speaker 1: but the the quality of play at quarterback and their
Speaker 1: numbers are just at a different level that actually, like,
Speaker 1: you would rather have Marcus Mariota more than him, wouldn't you,
Speaker 1: Dan Dak Brascott, Matthew Stafford, Jamis what I mean. Those
Speaker 1: are the guys that are kind of in the ten
Speaker 1: to fifteen level, and then there's Dalton back right where
Speaker 1: he should be. It's back to the Dalton scale. Alright,
Speaker 1: a couple of things come that a little bit. Um.
Speaker 1: Although we do appreciate your enthusiasm, I think it's a
Speaker 1: little bit unfair. I thought Dalton got kind of hosed
Speaker 1: by his own team last year, which did not do
Speaker 1: a nice job building around him, leading to of uh,
Speaker 1: two contributors go Tyler and Eifford being hurt at the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl did not help him at all. So I
Speaker 1: don't think like I think Andy Dalton kind of elevated
Speaker 1: his game to the next level with me Andy's um
Speaker 1: two years ago, and then last year he kind of
Speaker 1: got banged by his surroundings a little bit. Uh, And
Speaker 1: then this year I expect him to kind of be
Speaker 1: close to guys, So I think he's on the right
Speaker 1: side in my opinion. I want to go back to
Speaker 1: Alex Smith one second here, Um, have you guys heard
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes yet? And then yeah, I mean just really
Speaker 1: dove into playbook, getting up to speed on trying to
Speaker 1: catch up to where these guys are, and really just
Speaker 1: going through the motions, learning from mistakes and getting better
Speaker 1: every rop. I don't know if it's if I'm that
Speaker 1: far away, it's just more about I just gonna keep working,
Speaker 1: keep getting better. I mean these veterans or guys who've
Speaker 1: been around the league, been in the league, and I've
Speaker 1: been very successful. So in order to be like, uh,
Speaker 1: does that change how you guys feel at all about Patrick?
Speaker 1: I feel like I've hit beers with him at hucka Poose.
Speaker 1: Definitely know that voice from some how many Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: quarterbacks came out of huck a Poose. He's He's definitely
Speaker 1: a man where you see him step to the podium
Speaker 1: and when the voice that comes out of his mouth
Speaker 1: comes out of his it's it's surprising. It takes you back.
Speaker 1: So I I think Alex Smith is still Alex Smith.
Speaker 1: He's more Alex Smith than he's ever been. So I'm
Speaker 1: with Mark on this, and you guys are more in
Speaker 1: the camp of Dalton returning to his roots, which I
Speaker 1: can get by. I don't want to deadlock this thing
Speaker 1: because it's frankly, it's easier to call the Dalton scale
Speaker 1: and Dalton is the guy in the middle. Well, I've
Speaker 1: never taken Dalton out of west, never bought this. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I was listening to our podcast last year
Speaker 1: and you did state that his performance last year changed
Speaker 1: your feeling on him a little bit. It did. I
Speaker 1: think I still ranked him sixteen. Though, how about if
Speaker 1: we called it it's it's at any point if Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton left to become an accountant. We called it the
Speaker 1: Smith scale. It's the most boring last name, right at
Speaker 1: the most area where you cannot possibly being excited. We
Speaker 1: thought about calling it from Tanna scale too. Here the
Speaker 1: problem with Alex Smith. First of all, he didn't play
Speaker 1: as well last year as he had the previous two
Speaker 1: or three years. I think he played at a lower
Speaker 1: level and I've got him about twenty among starters, and
Speaker 1: that team that seems like too low to be the
Speaker 1: Daltons is not necessarily all because of the quarterback. But
Speaker 1: you know, he was the quarterback for a team that
Speaker 1: won the a f C West, and you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think he would I think he would admit
Speaker 1: he did not play as well personal individually as he
Speaker 1: did in That's the same paradigm though is Dalton, where
Speaker 1: when he had a good team around him, they go
Speaker 1: to the playoffs eleven and five, ten and six, and
Speaker 1: he's not the reason alone that they were. He's not
Speaker 1: going to be the reason that why they're six and
Speaker 1: ten to be the one other real logical guy, and
Speaker 1: it's the guy couldn't decide whether to rank Dalton over
Speaker 1: or below is Kirk Cousins, who's basically East Coast Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1: And I think if you put Andy Dalton on the Redskins,
Speaker 1: he would put up numbers like Kirk Cousins. And I
Speaker 1: think you mentioned how Dalton kind of went up and
Speaker 1: down based on his surrounding cast, and I think that's
Speaker 1: the kind of quarter of that Cousins is. How about
Speaker 1: this for a compromise, I'm all down with putting Dalton
Speaker 1: right there Rheins dalling him as long as we're o
Speaker 1: k putting Alex Smith as the first guy on either side.
Speaker 1: Now I have Alex Smith, I think the trade, the
Speaker 1: trade changes everything. Alex Smith is not a franchise quarterback,
Speaker 1: so to me, he's below guys like Joe Flacco, WHOA
Speaker 1: I have Flacco below Dalton, but I could see an
Speaker 1: argument for either side because Flacco has not played well
Speaker 1: the past couple of years, but he's also his like Dalton,
Speaker 1: his surrounding town has gone downhill. And as soon as
Speaker 1: you want to rank Dalton ahead of Flacco, you remember
Speaker 1: Flacco's postseason success, Well, you're gonna have Eli at thirty
Speaker 1: three on this liston he is to Eli is one
Speaker 1: of the Eli's postseason record is not nearly as good
Speaker 1: as people think it is. All right, I'm gonna now
Speaker 1: I will He's he's had two runs and every other
Speaker 1: playoff appearance he's been terrible. You know, do you understand
Speaker 1: what a super Bowl run is to to go through
Speaker 1: the playoffs but go four and o two separate years.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't think der useless. All other data involved
Speaker 1: I think we can agree on though, is the Dalton
Speaker 1: scale is a snapshot in time. So Eli has had
Speaker 1: his time, and West and I at least I think
Speaker 1: are in agreement that he is not where he was.
Speaker 1: He was significantly worse last year and and that's why
Speaker 1: it was not hard for me to rank him below
Speaker 1: Dalton here on the Dawnton scale. I think they need
Speaker 1: another franchise quarterback. I think this is the year, uh
Speaker 1: that Eli, to me enters that guy. I know he's
Speaker 1: been there for you guys earlier than this, coming off
Speaker 1: that bad year. What is how is he going to
Speaker 1: react to that? With a better cast around him? Should
Speaker 1: the Shiant Giants are good enough to win games in
Speaker 1: the playoffs this year, and if they don't and Eli
Speaker 1: plays poorly again, I think he's on the wrong side
Speaker 1: of this. I think he's in that kind. I still
Speaker 1: think he's on the right side of this prime Ridian
Speaker 1: but now he's closer than ever to the middle. For
Speaker 1: me anyway, I put him right next to um Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton right now at this point in that area. That's
Speaker 1: where I had. Where do you got him? I put
Speaker 1: him higher to I mean you and I think there's
Speaker 1: two of us in this room that are probably or
Speaker 1: more on the manning side of things. But you have
Speaker 1: Eli manning one spot above Jared Goff. I found your
Speaker 1: your placement of Jared Goff at one spot about tyros Well,
Speaker 1: I know, and maybe you're you're thinking that we didn't
Speaker 1: get a full picture of him last year. And I
Speaker 1: also look at Carson Wentz, who you know, he has
Speaker 1: his faults too, but he's two spots below Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1: Where I get caught up is that if I were
Speaker 1: to create my own team, I would quickly take a
Speaker 1: shot on Carson Wentz is my quarterback over Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: or not. I wouldn't go much higher on this list,
Speaker 1: but he would be above the Andy Dalton skille for
Speaker 1: me based on the potential. Well, I I believe that
Speaker 1: for three years running, that same logic killed us with
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles. You're right at the same time, I just
Speaker 1: don't you. Carson Wentz fixes his obvious mechanical flaws, I
Speaker 1: cannot put him above and it is a snapshot in time.
Speaker 1: But if the deafinitions that anyone under under below Andy Dalton,
Speaker 1: that GM that team needs to go and find a quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's tricky with someone like Carson Wentz when they sold
Speaker 1: so many draft picks to go get wins. If there's
Speaker 1: any flaw in the Dalton scale, it is those young
Speaker 1: ascending quarterbacks that you haven't seen do it yet. Because
Speaker 1: you're right, I had went below it too. But he
Speaker 1: is He's not a guy that you're looking to draft
Speaker 1: another player, but he's also not a franchise quarterback here.
Speaker 1: He hasn't proven yet. I think I don't think we've
Speaker 1: seen yet that he's gonna be one of the worst
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the NFL from mid October through the end
Speaker 1: of You're right, and we also asked too much. It's
Speaker 1: I think we all have learned that we don't want
Speaker 1: to define what a quarterback is after one year. We
Speaker 1: did that with Derek Carr. In some cases, we did
Speaker 1: that with Blake Bortles. We've all been on the wrong
Speaker 1: side of the fence with some of this stuff, and
Speaker 1: some of these guys are just you have or even
Speaker 1: after two or three years. Literally a year ago, I
Speaker 1: did that the QBN next year end rankings. I went, look,
Speaker 1: I had Blake Bortles ahead of Matt Ryan that year
Speaker 1: after his good year. I think I had him fourteenth
Speaker 1: and Ryan fifty. So a year ago at this time,
Speaker 1: Bortles I think would have been above it. And that
Speaker 1: was a misfire. I think it. See you called it
Speaker 1: a flaw potentially, Greg, I see it as it makes
Speaker 1: sense that they should be lower on the list until
Speaker 1: they proved that they should be above that threshold. So hypothetically,
Speaker 1: a guy like Carson Wentz, who West, you have him
Speaker 1: at eighteen here, even despite some of his struggles in
Speaker 1: the back half of that season, he showed a lot
Speaker 1: of growth to get into this neighborhood now and now
Speaker 1: we'll see if he takes the next step to get
Speaker 1: over the hump at sixteen and then you and the Eagles.
Speaker 1: You're feeling great because after year two you you have
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback for sure, but we're not sure yet.
Speaker 1: See him there says we're not sure yet, but it's promising.
Speaker 1: Because he's eighteen, it would be wrong to say you're sure.
Speaker 1: So I get why he's below Dalton. So to answer
Speaker 1: your Jared Golf question, he gets a mulligan for last year.
Speaker 1: We don't know who he is. He had one of
Speaker 1: the worst offensive coaching staffs we've seen in a long time,
Speaker 1: with no quarterback guru on the staff. Uh soft offensive line,
Speaker 1: no running game, bad receivers. I said all year, Dan,
Speaker 1: if you remember he wasn't ready to play, they shouldn't
Speaker 1: play it. He was terrible as a rookie. But I
Speaker 1: think he gets a mulligan. So I ranked him right
Speaker 1: above all the guys who nobody wants that Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 1: Nobody wanted him because he has limitations. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: that's assuming they know what that that they're doing. I mean,
Speaker 1: the NFL mis evaluates quarterbacks all the time, as we do.
Speaker 1: That's why players get drafted in bad spots. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't get caught up too much. I have Taylor
Speaker 1: way ahead of Golf, but it doesn't matter. They're not
Speaker 1: that close really to the Dalton scale. The one thing
Speaker 1: with Goff, though, that gets me, is like we're kind
Speaker 1: of moving the goal posts here for a number one
Speaker 1: overall pick. Like I I agree he should be given,
Speaker 1: uh mostly a pass for his rookie season considering everything
Speaker 1: around him, But he's also the number one pick in
Speaker 1: the draft. And we weren't. We weren't just hoping that
Speaker 1: Cam Newton would be passible in his second year. Like
Speaker 1: if he is just possible, if he's okay, everyone's gonna
Speaker 1: feel great about Jared Goff. That's not how he felt
Speaker 1: about Luck. That's not how he felt about Marcus Mariotta,
Speaker 1: who had no weapons around him as a rookie, Like,
Speaker 1: this is a guy you should be able to improve
Speaker 1: some of your teammates a little bit. Different types of prospects, though.
Speaker 1: Just because you're a number one pick doesn't mean you're
Speaker 1: the same. Cam Newton was not the same as Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck and who's not the same as Jared. Some of
Speaker 1: this is the failure of the draft industrial complex that
Speaker 1: Jared you even went number one in the first place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I am. I am fundamentally concerned about someone and
Speaker 1: I this is not a football issue. You don't know
Speaker 1: what side of the sky the sun rises. There's something
Speaker 1: happening with you as a person. I would never put
Speaker 1: that person this high on any list. So you're putting
Speaker 1: that hard knocks uh stumble as a major disqualifier. Potentially,
Speaker 1: it's it's much more drastic than uh Tannehill not knowing
Speaker 1: the divisions and how all the divisions land, which was
Speaker 1: also concerning to me. But that's more of we're all
Speaker 1: plugged into that. He's maybe not. Maybe that is excess
Speaker 1: mean about his focus. How focused are you on life
Speaker 1: if you don't know where the sunrise at age twenty something?
Speaker 1: I will counter if you went through the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame quarterbacks, the living hall of same quarterbacks, you might
Speaker 1: be surprised how many of those quarterbacks don't know where
Speaker 1: the sun right at the end of the lives. Yes,
Speaker 1: what are you saying about quarterbacks? I'm saying it their respect.
Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever have you ever mowed the lawn?
Speaker 1: Have you ever walked through a park? You can't tell
Speaker 1: where the sun is setting a rising mark? You like
Speaker 1: you tell time by a sun dial. You're really plugged
Speaker 1: in on this. I mean I if if I have
Speaker 1: any friends that do not know where the sun rises
Speaker 1: and sets, I don't think that I'd have to sit
Speaker 1: down and think about the friendship. All right, West, by
Speaker 1: the way, on your list, you have Carson Palmer, and
Speaker 1: you know this Eli stuff sticks in my crawl. Carson
Speaker 1: Palmer is a noted playoff, choke artist and a guy
Speaker 1: that really stumbled in his age thirty eight season, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reason to think that he is
Speaker 1: not nearly the guy he was three years ago. That
Speaker 1: you have him considerably higher than Eli Um. Why is that? Well,
Speaker 1: he's what a year and a half removed from finishing
Speaker 1: second in the m v P race. He played really
Speaker 1: well down a stretch last time, well as Eli Manning
Speaker 1: was uh face planting and ruining the Giant season. Carson
Speaker 1: Palmer is a better quarterback than Eli Manning. That's why
Speaker 1: I have him. But he but he is below the
Speaker 1: Dalton line, which I think makes sense because I think
Speaker 1: you saw last year he's going up and down with
Speaker 1: what's happening around him. If he does not have protection.
Speaker 1: He is not someone who's going to survive, which is
Speaker 1: true of a lot of quarterbacks, but he is a
Speaker 1: guy that you no longer feel is the guy that
Speaker 1: they need to get another. The only reason I have
Speaker 1: him below Dalton is because he is flirted with retirement
Speaker 1: and he's year to year at this point, so you
Speaker 1: can't consider my franchise quarter And there was a lot
Speaker 1: of heat around the fact that the Cardinals also were
Speaker 1: very interested in Patrick Mahomes. I had I have him
Speaker 1: as the quarterback directly below the Dalton scale. That's where
Speaker 1: Harson Carson Palmer. Yeah, but that he's the first one
Speaker 1: that gets cut. So you okay, So and West has
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins. Excusing that Kirk Cousins Joe Flacco in that
Speaker 1: same spot, Palmer, Mark, Who would you put as the
Speaker 1: first guy kind of below Andy Dalton although you think
Speaker 1: it's Alex Smith. Yeah, I think I would. I would
Speaker 1: flip flop dalt. I would maybe put Dalton below Alx Smith.
Speaker 1: I would be that would be the same place I
Speaker 1: would go with it. You guys think Alex Smith is
Speaker 1: a better player than Dalton. Is that what you're saying? No,
Speaker 1: I think I think Dalton. Well, let me put it
Speaker 1: kind of like the same thing. I guess to me
Speaker 1: better they better be touching each other. And I put
Speaker 1: kirk Cousins above both of them. I think Dalton can
Speaker 1: be uh considerably better. And yeah, Cousins was the one
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, guys, how you're feeling
Speaker 1: about old Kirky these days, because he's me and him
Speaker 1: and Dalton are the same guy. Alex Smith, to me
Speaker 1: is is a tear is pretty significantly below that. And
Speaker 1: those two guys are are to me the whole They
Speaker 1: are this exercise. They are that I feel like, if
Speaker 1: you have you should have, if your if your list
Speaker 1: is making sense, it makes sense. Or Kirk Cousins to
Speaker 1: being that fourteen to eighteen area, Yeah, I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's and this is a big year for
Speaker 1: him and the only thing you could say about it's
Speaker 1: been a very weird contract uh SA situation way it's
Speaker 1: played out in d C with Kirk Cousins. But if
Speaker 1: the Redskins, for instance, we're all about the Dalton scale,
Speaker 1: this is exactly how you would want to play it,
Speaker 1: kind of taking this thing year by year and try
Speaker 1: to figure out who this guy is. Uh. And they
Speaker 1: now they get another year to it seems like that's
Speaker 1: exactly how they're playing it. And yeah, and maybe to
Speaker 1: their credit, unless it blows up in their face, they
Speaker 1: I think they they share that view, or else they
Speaker 1: would have acted differently over the last few years. They
Speaker 1: seem pretty willing to roll the dice and and walk
Speaker 1: watch him walk away, or possibly even trade him away
Speaker 1: a year from now. Well, I think Jake Gruden sees
Speaker 1: him is is Andy Dalton, And if Jake Gruden was
Speaker 1: running that front office, he'd be signed already. But he's
Speaker 1: not running that front office. How about Dak Prescott, just
Speaker 1: fourth round rookie jumping right over the Dalton Dalton line,
Speaker 1: unlike most rookies right in his first season. He deserves
Speaker 1: it right agree everything that he did about it, but
Speaker 1: it does again, it's more like a football thing rather
Speaker 1: than a flaw. On this list, it shows you how
Speaker 1: much having an amazing supporting cast can make a quarterback
Speaker 1: look better or perform better. If Dak Prescott switched places
Speaker 1: with Carson Wentz, I'm not saying Wentz would have performed
Speaker 1: as well, but I don't think Dak Prescott is on
Speaker 1: the right side of this yet. But the Cowboys, just
Speaker 1: like the chiefs and reverse. The cowboys told you what
Speaker 1: they thought by letting Tony Romo drift off. And I
Speaker 1: think Dak, like, for instance, Jared Goff, you know we're
Speaker 1: giving him a pass. I think we saw enough out
Speaker 1: of Jared Goff to say if he had been put
Speaker 1: in that situation in Dallas, things would not have gone
Speaker 1: as well as they went with Dak Prescott. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can still make evaluations on whether guys are processing
Speaker 1: things because he's not accurate, because he really sorry, I
Speaker 1: miss did you say Tony Romo? No, I was saying
Speaker 1: Goff somehow Dallas. Then then it wouldn't work out. Okay, Sorry, Greg,
Speaker 1: I just misunderstood you for sec Now you said something else,
Speaker 1: and I was going to take him to pisc on
Speaker 1: News and then I said, wait a second, did I
Speaker 1: hear him? Right? It turns out I didn't thank you
Speaker 1: for taking us through your thought process. All right? In
Speaker 1: the bottom mark, do you have a thirty two? Did
Speaker 1: you do with thirty two two? Or am I just
Speaker 1: going off West? And I did not produce one? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fine, that's fine. So probably to the viewer's delight, Greg,
Speaker 1: this is on TV, Greg, Greg and West in your
Speaker 1: respective bottom tens. Who's the guy that would surprise you
Speaker 1: the least to jump onto the right side of the
Speaker 1: primer Indian here? Uh, it's between Trevor Simeon and Blake Bortles.
Speaker 1: If Bortles could ever fix his mechanics, and I am
Speaker 1: no longer holding out hope. You have twenty six and
Speaker 1: twenty seven those two guys, Bortles and Simmon in that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I am not holding out hope for Bortles anymore. I
Speaker 1: have given up the ghost. But he has the tools
Speaker 1: if he can ever fix his mechanics. Trevor Simmey and
Speaker 1: I liked almost everything I saw out of him last year.
Speaker 1: I just don't know if he's talented enough. We'll see
Speaker 1: barely sneaking into my bottom ten. There was Sam Bradford,
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me with some improved protection,
Speaker 1: uh that he puts together. If he puts together the
Speaker 1: quality of play that he did a year ago again,
Speaker 1: then to me, he's he's kind of proven that he
Speaker 1: is a reliable, middle tier but solid franchise quarterback. The
Speaker 1: only reason I still had him so low is that
Speaker 1: it was the best season of his career, and he's
Speaker 1: been in the NFL a long time. He's played a
Speaker 1: long time, so I want to see him. I want
Speaker 1: to see him do it again. He outplayed Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: with uh you know, Dalton had a bad offensive line.
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford had one of the worst offensive lines I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. I think that's fair. But you have you
Speaker 1: have Bradford below your Dalton scale as well I do.
Speaker 1: I have him nineteen and he would be higher if
Speaker 1: not for his injury history. Next, I feel like Sam
Speaker 1: Bradford is exactly where he should be, the place he
Speaker 1: always was and always will be. Like right around twenty
Speaker 1: on this list, hand's never bought into the Bradford renaissance.
Speaker 1: Well he was. He was very good last year, but still,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, what was he He
Speaker 1: was a quarterback that lorded over a deeply mediocre team.
Speaker 1: It wasn't all his fault, obviously, But is he ever
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy that's you're gonna build a franchise
Speaker 1: around At this stage, if it hasn't happened yet, still
Speaker 1: pretty young, I mean guys thirty at this point, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got you. But guys like rich Gannon, we we've
Speaker 1: seen quarterbacks as you think Trent Green that yeah, that
Speaker 1: if he got in the perfect it is tough quarterback
Speaker 1: to take to separate him from the team. But if
Speaker 1: he got a perfect situation like a Trent Green, like
Speaker 1: a rich Gannon, could he make that sort of developed
Speaker 1: that late in his career. Maybe forget sandwiches, I will uh,
Speaker 1: you could sign over your car payments and your monthly
Speaker 1: rentals at your home in Santa Monica. If Sam Bradford
Speaker 1: ever wins the m v P and or takes his
Speaker 1: team to the super Bowl. But take him up on that? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: what do I give up? Nothing? I mean MVP, MVP
Speaker 1: and happening going to the super Bowl. I mean some
Speaker 1: bad core are Rex have made it to the super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Rex gross and made it to the super Bowl. Daddy
Speaker 1: likes that one. They never know. I mean that that
Speaker 1: Viking spread seven? Who know that's possible? That's good luck?
Speaker 1: Good luck. Can you imagine Dan, if you had to
Speaker 1: go home one night and explain to your wife and
Speaker 1: at that point your children who would be would be
Speaker 1: aware of this that you have taken on a financial
Speaker 1: burden that will sink your household for a thousand better?
Speaker 1: What if what if the Vikings start making a run right?
Speaker 1: This is this is they're making the playoffs. This is recorded,
Speaker 1: and you picked the wrong like you know, if you
Speaker 1: did this with wesser Mark, they'd be like, a ha ha,
Speaker 1: you can take me up for some jects. Now I
Speaker 1: want that Oh, I want that run money that's happening.
Speaker 1: I know this, you know scratches an itch for you, Greg,
Speaker 1: So I have no problem with it. And now I
Speaker 1: will say, if it ever did happen, if you turned
Speaker 1: out to be the subject of a date line episode,
Speaker 1: don't be surprised if I had to make the problem
Speaker 1: go away. You know what does that even mean? That
Speaker 1: means you would be you'd beat the subject, but you
Speaker 1: wouldn't be watching it because you'd be deep below the earth.
Speaker 1: But it's like you wouldn't be interviewed, but you would be.
Speaker 1: I got not to to hide. Well, he wants to
Speaker 1: hide something. It would be you. I'd kill you, Greg,
Speaker 1: I had murder you if I had, if you stood
Speaker 1: between between me and taking care of my family, would
Speaker 1: have to probably kill you. I thought you were trying
Speaker 1: to entrap me in some sort of uh no, but
Speaker 1: that's a good idea too. That I could entrap you. Well,
Speaker 1: you you've already hatched the plan on a public podcast.
Speaker 1: We should we should edit this part out just in
Speaker 1: case I need to unferral some type of scheme. Cut
Speaker 1: it out. Where would you guys put Ryan? Do you
Speaker 1: guys think that Ryan tanne I feel like I'm speaking
Speaker 1: to the wrong room for this, but I think if
Speaker 1: we were talking to a lot of NFL people, there
Speaker 1: would be something that would make the case for Ryan Tannehilton.
Speaker 1: Dat scale at this. Why do you do this every
Speaker 1: off season? All the Dolphins fans are starting to get
Speaker 1: riled up. Everybody calm down, Let's hear out West. Now
Speaker 1: I have an off season. People want to act like
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill's much better than he is. He played better
Speaker 1: last year. I think that's fair to say that the
Speaker 1: end stretch with Gaze was the best stretch of his career.
Speaker 1: I think that his last six seven games last year
Speaker 1: before he got hurt, I'm a big unclosing season stretch,
Speaker 1: and then he got hurt, wildly played up in the
Speaker 1: upcoming season. I remember JaMarcus Russell's wild closing stretch and
Speaker 1: everybody was convinced. How about the Geno Smith closing stretch
Speaker 1: that had Gregg doing cartwheels. He hasn't played since. A
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of stuff is happening at the
Speaker 1: end of any NFL season two. But I think here's
Speaker 1: that was mid season. He just got hurt in Week
Speaker 1: fourteen or whatever. I guess think it's it's a snapshot
Speaker 1: of Tannehill. He'd be higher than he would have been
Speaker 1: maybe in other periods in his career. But if it's
Speaker 1: if you're thinking about Tannehill the overall product, I think
Speaker 1: he's right where he should be. I I have him
Speaker 1: nineteen and I think he is among the guys below
Speaker 1: the Dalton scale for me, like Flacco, that would have
Speaker 1: a good chance to jump above because I think, but
Speaker 1: you say that year, but this is the first time
Speaker 1: he's had a competent coordinator for the second straight year.
Speaker 1: He certainly got better talent around him. If he doesn't
Speaker 1: do it now, there are no excuses. But I think
Speaker 1: you can look at Mike Sherman and Joe Philbin and
Speaker 1: and what's been going on with the offensive line and
Speaker 1: and make some excuses for I think that's what we
Speaker 1: When Andy Dalton took the team to eight and no
Speaker 1: or whatever, and he was playing in an m v
Speaker 1: P level. It was in a world where everything around
Speaker 1: him was perfect for the most part, and we got
Speaker 1: the prime version of Andy Dalton, a version that I
Speaker 1: think would have argued for him not to be in
Speaker 1: this spot again if that play had continued. Ever again,
Speaker 1: not close to it. But if you look at Tannehill,
Speaker 1: we're projecting that he has to do it. We can't
Speaker 1: just say everything needs to be perfect around Tannehill then
Speaker 1: he'll rise above Dalton. It's no coincidence that this sequence
Speaker 1: that Gregg is talking about also Cohen. It is also
Speaker 1: when they started to run their offense through j h I. Yep,
Speaker 1: but he ran he One thing Tannehill did last year
Speaker 1: and he should be given credit because he got picked
Speaker 1: on a lot for it was he threw the ball
Speaker 1: deep well period and that was one of maybe the
Speaker 1: biggest weakness that he had. Ended up averaging seven point
Speaker 1: seven yards per tempt, Like can you do it again? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he showed some progress, That's all I'm saying. He's been
Speaker 1: around for a while. I can't track of Greg's Tannehill
Speaker 1: love scale. It seems to come and go. It's sometimes
Speaker 1: it's stronger than others. I remember it was very very
Speaker 1: strong entering that Dan Campbell season. I'd started lost off
Speaker 1: going into last year, and now your kid's getting back.
Speaker 1: He regretted bailing on him, Yeah, a little bit. Well
Speaker 1: it's not too late. Not too late. Uh. I think
Speaker 1: he's perfect right where he is hanging out around Sam Bradford.
Speaker 1: But we'll see. Maybe he does make the leap. Uh
Speaker 1: for good for you, Greg, which would be bad news
Speaker 1: for your football team, but you don't really care anymore.
Speaker 1: I care if you know, if any Tannehill gets in
Speaker 1: the way of them in the playoffs or anything like
Speaker 1: that that crush them, like all credit to him. I'm
Speaker 1: not expecting that happened. Um, anything else we want to discuss,
Speaker 1: we I guess we because I like, I like to
Speaker 1: come out of this with us all being on the
Speaker 1: same page. But there's no reason to force it either.
Speaker 1: But where some of us believe Alex Smith is, some
Speaker 1: of us believe, uh that Andy Dalton is the prime Ridian.
Speaker 1: But in general, I think the bigger takeaways who is
Speaker 1: in that realm and who's gonna who's gonna fall back,
Speaker 1: who's gonna jump over? And that's what we've really dug
Speaker 1: get on here, and I think we haven't talked a
Speaker 1: lot about the guys that are above the line because
Speaker 1: it feels like this year, more than others, that they
Speaker 1: are kind of no doubters. Like Stafford is a no doubter. Now,
Speaker 1: Camp of course is a no doubter. I think Mariota
Speaker 1: and Winston at this point are are no doubters all
Speaker 1: right here, Yeah, let's do this earlier we we looked
Speaker 1: at the bottom ten. Who in your boys is top
Speaker 1: ten quarterbacks? Uh? Stands the greatest chance to drop below
Speaker 1: the Dalton line in oh this was where it could
Speaker 1: get a little testy. Well, I have Stafford in Newton
Speaker 1: nine and ten. I just say they're the most likely. Stafford,
Speaker 1: I mean he's in an offense where they throw quick
Speaker 1: short passes. Does that really use his skill set the most?
Speaker 1: I don't know. And Newton had one of the least
Speaker 1: accurate stretches we've seen down the stretch last year. He
Speaker 1: was playing through a shoulder injury. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think we'll see what Cam Newton does this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Cam would be my choice, and I I love Cam,
Speaker 1: I love watching him. I don't think it's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: yet they want to change the offense. He's coming up
Speaker 1: a shoulder surgery, and you look at the last his
Speaker 1: last three seasons. I think it's universally agreed not a
Speaker 1: top ten quarterback in M v P. Not a top
Speaker 1: ten quarterback. That is a but that's a crazy career thing.
Speaker 1: So could he if he struggled again, if he had
Speaker 1: another bad season, is that going to change the way
Speaker 1: we think about And you know, I guess, I guess
Speaker 1: it would because I would be three out of four years.
Speaker 1: I would go with Stafford and Newton because I think
Speaker 1: they'll both be leapfrogged by Mariotta and Winston and and honestly,
Speaker 1: I could see Philip Rivers getting back up into the
Speaker 1: top ten. With with top ten, I'm talking that will
Speaker 1: drop out of the top. I'm saying that would just
Speaker 1: that would displace the too co out of the sixteen.
Speaker 1: Stafford for me, yeah, I'm with you all that just
Speaker 1: because obviously he's had great moments all throughout his career.
Speaker 1: But could I see him regressing a little bit? Has
Speaker 1: he has he peeked as a player. It's it's possible.
Speaker 1: I got a bad taste of my mouth to that
Speaker 1: that playoff loss to the Seahawks. I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: kind of sick of Met Stafford after that game, sick
Speaker 1: of the hole met Stafford. Also, I really was impressed
Speaker 1: by the way he played. I think he played in
Speaker 1: a way that convinced me that he's going to have
Speaker 1: a really nice back end of his career. That he
Speaker 1: kind of was is a very steady He was not
Speaker 1: their problem. He's the one problem. But I think in
Speaker 1: the past he's been very up and down. Last year
Speaker 1: he was not up and down. To me, it's just
Speaker 1: looking at West top ten over here, I don't see
Speaker 1: like a total phony hanging out in there. It's an
Speaker 1: automatic to drop it to I think when you when
Speaker 1: you look at the breath of Matthew Stafford's career, the
Speaker 1: one thing that jumps out is his total inability to
Speaker 1: beat good teams. Yeah, and that's a trait of I
Speaker 1: think that's a trait of the Dalton scale esque issues.
Speaker 1: Is that for me, that's part of it. And Stafford
Speaker 1: has been there and he's been this physically gifted player
Speaker 1: the whole time, and yet how many huge wins do
Speaker 1: you remember? And and finally, just a little cute note
Speaker 1: here my favorite little rivalry between my boys. West has
Speaker 1: uh Marcus Mariotta one spot ahead of Jamis Walton, and
Speaker 1: Greg has Jamis Winston one spot ahead of Marcus Mariotta.
Speaker 1: You guys are so cute. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: waffle on that one at all. Mariota clearly. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean it's not like you have them to to uh
Speaker 1: too far apart there. That is funny. We didn't see
Speaker 1: our lists obviously separate. All right, there you go. That
Speaker 1: is are Dalton Scale conversation for two thousand, uh seventeen.
Speaker 1: Finally a little bit of breaking news here and then
Speaker 1: to do that, Yes, we're going to the Ravens Nest.
Speaker 1: Hit me again. Not good news. Ravens cornerback Tavon Young
Speaker 1: suffered a torn a c l at O t a
Speaker 1: s expected to uh miss most of or if not,
Speaker 1: the entire seen season. Was a nice player in the
Speaker 1: slot for them as a rookie. Uh no official word
Speaker 1: out yet, but tough times in the Ravens Nest today.
Speaker 1: I I really was impressed by him as a rookie.
Speaker 1: He was such a tough player. But they are about
Speaker 1: as deep at cornerback as as any team in football,
Speaker 1: which is surprising to say about the Ravens. They have
Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith, their first round pick, Marlon Humphrey and Brandon
Speaker 1: Carr still three pretty solid cornerbacks. So if if they
Speaker 1: were going to take a bad injury at a position,
Speaker 1: I guess cornerback would be one to do it. Guys,
Speaker 1: right to hop out of the nests. We're late visit
Speaker 1: to the nest. Sometimes you're and sometimes you're have time
Speaker 1: to hop out of that nest. All right, it's time
Speaker 1: to end the Around the NFL podcast. We got a
Speaker 1: big softball game to prepare for. No more work, only
Speaker 1: focus on an important game. And I will say it again.
Speaker 1: I say this with peace and love. Heads will roll
Speaker 1: if we do not prevail tonight. Pressure is on how
Speaker 1: many jobs are on the line in this game. I
Speaker 1: don't want to put a number on it because I
Speaker 1: don't want people listen. I want people looking over their
Speaker 1: shoulders during this game, but I don't want them to
Speaker 1: be in an outright panic where they're they're counting numbers
Speaker 1: and saying, looking at the box score, who's doing better?
Speaker 1: Do I have to stay above this guy? But just
Speaker 1: no skips watching very closely half the team is in Europe.
Speaker 1: I mean, how are you going to contact one of
Speaker 1: these vacationers if it's them that gets axed. Uh, we
Speaker 1: should have close to a full squad today. Actually, when
Speaker 1: one thing you should like or not like, but at
Speaker 1: least take comfort in the the arc of the team.
Speaker 1: It's somewhat similar. It's even early in the process to
Speaker 1: last year's team. Right, you guys had some ups and downs.
Speaker 1: You were saying, you're seven and seven at one each
Speaker 1: With all due respect, each season is its own thing.
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to say, oh, just because we
Speaker 1: sucked it up for a portion of the regular season
Speaker 1: last year, it's okay, that's happening this year. No, I
Speaker 1: expect more from this team this year coming off our season,
Speaker 1: and I haven't liked what I've seen in the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Some of the some of the playing
Speaker 1: and some of the attitudes quite funny. Uh. And if
Speaker 1: I have to make a move, I have to make
Speaker 1: a move. So I don't want to get on your radar.
Speaker 1: But what if someone raises the issue that you were
Speaker 1: not at the last time. Well, I put family above softball, Alright,
Speaker 1: this isn't about everyone can miss a game here and there.
Speaker 1: That's fine, that's not the issue. And it's when you're
Speaker 1: on the field, what are you doing for me? In fact,
Speaker 1: me missing games shouldn't be the end of the world.
Speaker 1: So we have a lot of guys. My problem is,
Speaker 1: I got a lot of guys, But I got a
Speaker 1: lot of guys that can play, and I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: some decisions based on I see today. I have taken
Speaker 1: copious scattering reports the last few weeks, and I am
Speaker 1: ready to contribute to this discussion anyway you needs. You know,
Speaker 1: as my as my consigliari, we always discuss any huge moves. Uh,
Speaker 1: and that will happen again. So good luck Greg in
Speaker 1: today's game. Wow. Great, No, Greg, You've done very well
Speaker 1: this season. I just want to make that clear. Uh.
Speaker 1: But it's more, I'm watching the entire team. Okay, that's it.
Speaker 1: We'll be back. I mean, I'm out here sacrificing for
Speaker 1: this team. I see a gnarly, bloody picture every like Greg.
Speaker 1: Greg's earned. Just keep We'll be back on Tuesday with
Speaker 1: another episode of the Round the NFL podcast. Dan Hans
Speaker 1: designing off for the Scissor, The Mailman, the Boston Slily
Speaker 1: Behind the Glass Tail Tuesday, Pat