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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast. Wayme's t D for the

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Speaker 1: Move the Sticks Podcast. Welcome back to another edition of

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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined by room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling and Greg Roseatal. What's up boys? Ow, it's Thursday?

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Speaker 1: T G I G. I mean t something like something

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Speaker 1: like that. What's up? What's up? Everybody? West back in

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Speaker 1: the chair? Good to see again, buddy, good to be back.

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Speaker 1: How are things going? How about a little Chris Westling

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Speaker 1: health update? Maybe we have to cook up a sound

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Speaker 1: drop for happen for now, just the straight up last update.

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Speaker 1: I am. I am really looking forward to your cancer drop. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's coming, It's coming. I started chemo and radiation this week.

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Speaker 1: Radiation is ten minutes a day every Monday through Friday.

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Speaker 1: Chemo is once a week. I feel good. The medicines

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Speaker 1: really nausea is not much a factor. I think once

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Speaker 1: they ramp up the treatments, I'll start to feel more

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Speaker 1: more fatigue. But they want me to exercise as much

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Speaker 1: and I feel good, I feel strong. Everything's going well,

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Speaker 1: and the paramore has been by my side, taking notes,

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Speaker 1: asking all the questions, recording all the doctors. Meeting has

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Speaker 1: been a big been a big support system for me.

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Speaker 1: Here comes the broad. He's been an m v P.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and you're I mean, you're feeling good enough

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Speaker 1: t a Wednesday yesterday. At one point I think because

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Speaker 1: of the news that was coming in, you were just like,

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Speaker 1: I picked the right time a year to get cancer.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, there's nothing going on. It's part of

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Speaker 1: my new my new favorite genre. West makes jokes about cancer.

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Speaker 1: Once you're yeah, I mean it sucks, um, I I

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Speaker 1: assumed to be diagnosed with cancer. But the one positive

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Speaker 1: of it is you can start just up and out,

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Speaker 1: ramping up your cancer bits and you could say whatever

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Speaker 1: like playing the cancer card. That's that's been fun for me,

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Speaker 1: you know, get out of a few things. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: been all right. You were saying, the radiation, the little

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Speaker 1: because the radiation is going right into my chest. And

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Speaker 1: they play a little Bob Marley for ten minutes and

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Speaker 1: I space out and I'm out of there. You sent

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Speaker 1: Facebook basically that you, underneath line back getting the treatment

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Speaker 1: underneath blankets looked more manly than most any of us

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Speaker 1: would ever look it. Just you still somehow looked like

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Speaker 1: a gigantic, amazing man. I was speaking for myself essentially there,

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Speaker 1: but checked out. Wait, so let me just Le'm gonna

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Speaker 1: picture it. So you're laying back, arms above your head,

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Speaker 1: all right, appropriate time for that. So there's the West update,

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Speaker 1: and he's playing center field for the Shield today. We

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Speaker 1: need to win two straight losses. Um. I I took

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I left Greg and charge and

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Speaker 1: you know a sloppy loss. Wow, First of all, that's

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Speaker 1: not even accurate. West was our acting manager, and West

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Speaker 1: made a beautiful uh shoe string sliding catch out there

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Speaker 1: Everyone is involved. Cabs we gotta we gotta this. It

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Speaker 1: one of the NBA Finals, which starts tonight. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: on the roster. I like it. I gotta shake things up.

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Speaker 1: it that way. We do have a good luck charm today,

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Speaker 1: Uh big show today, you know it's a big show.

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Speaker 1: We're bringing back the Dalton scale. Whoa oho, the Dalton

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Speaker 1: scaleen uh, in which we decide who is west what

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Speaker 1: who is because I don't understand primary radiant of quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: If any Dalton is right in the middle, that means

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Speaker 1: if your quarterback is ranked ahead of him, you've got

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Speaker 1: We do this every year. This is the third year

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Speaker 1: mediocrity or that that middle gray area for for many years.

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Speaker 1: figure out who's around that spot, who's above Who's Who's

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Speaker 1: Who's a franchise quarterback? That's the question. That is the key,

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Speaker 1: and uh. Before we get going, I want to say

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Speaker 1: hi to Sully behind the glass us. What's up, bud

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Speaker 1: Hi Fellers are you today? Colors doing well? What is

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Speaker 1: uh you? You did a great job in the first show,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it taking over in your Dan Campbell role for Sydney.

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Speaker 1: And now Dan Campbell won his first game if you remember, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was all bro hugs and um, you know, puffing

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Speaker 1: Dan didn't come back. So you're looking to avoid that fate,

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Speaker 1: Oh certainly, yeah, yeah, we want to keep those bro

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Speaker 1: so I'm not I'm not going to be ignored. Let's

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Speaker 1: it's a trade and it's the it's the most depressing

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Speaker 1: this up, Sally. You know you've gotta like it. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what this song, Craig and what does it mean? Greg?

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Speaker 1: Panka is back, not not quite, but we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: some Thursday Night football and Prianka celebration music is necessary

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Speaker 1: because Mike tarik I was gonna be in the boot

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Speaker 1: on a full time capacity. Sports Business Daily reported Wednesday

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Speaker 1: at the NFL approved h NBC's request to allow how

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Speaker 1: silly that ever came to this, to allow Tarrico allowed

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Speaker 1: to Rico, the like borderline or arguably the best guy

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Speaker 1: in the business of this, to be the play by

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Speaker 1: play announcer for Thursday Night Football, taking Al Michael's place

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Speaker 1: alongside Chris Collinsworth. So Collinsworth stays on the Thursday Sunday shift.

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Speaker 1: Al Michaels is one and done as a Thursday Sunday guy,

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Speaker 1: which I think makes sense for everyone. Tariko from the

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Speaker 1: time he jumped from ESPN to NBC made the most sense,

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Speaker 1: uh for Thursday Night and now al Michaels, who is

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Speaker 1: in his early to mid seventies. At this point can

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Speaker 1: go back to just focusing on one game a week.

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Speaker 1: Uh win win for everyone, and especially for the Tariko

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Speaker 1: fans like me out there, who now can guarantee to

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Speaker 1: get Mike. There's maybe the games will be crap, but

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Speaker 1: the guy calling him won't be. How was the Tariko

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Speaker 1: fan reddit board after this news blew up? It actually crashed.

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Speaker 1: You're like the greedy, greedy of Reddit where you're running

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Speaker 1: the red boards. Yeah, we were not. A lot of

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Speaker 1: us got sleep last night. Put it that way once

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Speaker 1: the news came out. So Tarrico will call Thursday football

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Speaker 1: and finally I love it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: should be there for the next twenty five years. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if TNF should be, but it should be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think uh al Michael's we all love al too,

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Speaker 1: but you know you need to have a succession plan.

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Speaker 1: By the way, saw Pianca. If I'm not mistaken in Baywatch,

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Speaker 1: You know where that was filmed? Right? Tybee? Baywatch was

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Speaker 1: filmed on Tybee. That's why I went to see it. No,

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Speaker 1: I because I I had ripped through a bunch of

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Speaker 1: played if I'm not mistaken. I at one point I

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Speaker 1: left for like twenty minutes. It's walking around the movie theater.

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Speaker 1: But like um, it's supposed to be a wretched film.

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Speaker 1: It's awful but very enjoyable if you go in realizing

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Speaker 1: this maybe one of the top worst movie, top five

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Speaker 1: horse movies you've ever seen. In it fit that bill

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Speaker 1: Mark is full of surprises, but rarely have I been

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Speaker 1: Morris eyes by anything coming out of his mouth. Then

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Speaker 1: I went to see Baywatch. Our house was under construction.

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Speaker 1: I had to leave for like hours at a time,

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Speaker 1: and I was doing it a week long staycation, you know,

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Speaker 1: so honest, honest. The answer, how much did the hot

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Speaker 1: babe factor come into the decision to go? Didn't hurt

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Speaker 1: at all. Of course, it helped me get in there.

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Speaker 1: But that, I will say that alone is not you

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Speaker 1: could get that anywhere. I mean, it's a it's not

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Speaker 1: a good reason to spend I think I dropped sixteen

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Speaker 1: dollars to get into the theater too. Wow. By the way,

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Speaker 1: never the movie, she plays some sort of villains. She's

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Speaker 1: like the antagonist in the film. Yeah, she's fine. It's

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Speaker 1: like you've seen the same You've seen the role seventeen

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Speaker 1: eighteen thousand times before. K Rich once upon a time

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Speaker 1: tease the possibility that we could get Prianka in studio,

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Speaker 1: but that never happened, and Andrianka then was one and

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Speaker 1: done as the voice of Thursday Night. Yeah, we are

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Speaker 1: the only people keeping the memory of that great song alive.

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Speaker 1: And I'm proud of that. You do love that song. Greg. Finally,

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Speaker 1: Dez Bryant Uh at Cowboys O t as Uh this week.

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Speaker 1: Uh I was talking about driving fast because the Indie

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Speaker 1: five winner a lot of sports, a lot of different

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Speaker 1: sports coming up today. Uh. Takuma Sato was at the practice. Greg,

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Speaker 1: did I get that right? I know you have a

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Speaker 1: Japanese wife. Wow, I believe so, And it doesn't make

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Speaker 1: me an expert in all pronunciation. It sounds right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I nailed it. Anyway, des Brian was asked

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Speaker 1: what's the fastest he's gone in a car because he's

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Speaker 1: a maniac. He said he went one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 1: miles per hour and his Bentley got pulled over by

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Speaker 1: the cops who didn't give him a ticket. We'd still

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Speaker 1: be in jail if we got pulled over for going

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Speaker 1: one eight. I'm just curious for you guys, because for me,

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Speaker 1: I I've never I've never been that guy. You know,

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Speaker 1: my car history is a Ford s Court into a Honda,

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Speaker 1: a Chord into a Jetta. Uh so, I don't have

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Speaker 1: any high octane sports cars in my past. So once

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Speaker 1: get into the you know, feeling good, there's no traffic

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Speaker 1: all a sudden, I'm at eighty and then if I

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Speaker 1: then I went out and that's eighty five. Say nine

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Speaker 1: is the highest ever gone highest you have fastest you've

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Speaker 1: limitations is up hundred and five. You got the triple

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Speaker 1: digits once. I mean on. This was in Kansas, driving

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Speaker 1: the way to Denver, and there were no cars in

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Speaker 1: either direction at all. And I got up there and

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Speaker 1: then I looked. I didn't intentionally do you look at

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Speaker 1: the s pedomen I got my god, get down, Greg.

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Speaker 1: I was writing that same area. Similar story driving with

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Speaker 1: I don't remember not much. I drove a Dodd Ram

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Speaker 1: nothing but gelopes and those cars. Every single one of

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Speaker 1: them would shake. Yeah, mind shaf it was shake when

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Speaker 1: you get out the eighty five or ninety. I think

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Speaker 1: I've probably top ninety a couple of times, but I've

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Speaker 1: handle that. So you seem like a guy that maybe

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Speaker 1: I think I might have. All you guys beat does

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Speaker 1: Bryan beat. I don't know if we could count it

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Speaker 1: was awesome to drive on Talladega. It was it was sweet.

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Speaker 1: Ex Uh listen, everybody, let's save for the White Bad

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Speaker 1: Someones that stand out, of course, the Theology podcast, which

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Speaker 1: is coming, it's coming. Uh, let's see someones that we liked.

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Speaker 1: The Chris Hustling dating podcast. Uh, the West Needs Money podcast.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed that time. Yeah, Dan's Gullibility podcast is a

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Speaker 1: the Round the NFL podcast, the Dalton Scale edition, and yes,

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't West Again a brief rundown. How this came

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Speaker 1: we all realized that Andy Dalton was quarterback purgatory, that

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Speaker 1: he could take you to the playoffs. He was a facilitator.

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Speaker 1: He was only as good as the surrounding talent, but

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Speaker 1: he didn't make teammates better, and the Bengals would lose

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Speaker 1: Dalton as the primary inning of quarterbacks. If your quarterback

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Speaker 1: If your quarterback is ranked behind Andy Dalton, you need

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Speaker 1: There you go a great explainer. And uh, in terms

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Speaker 1: of the history of this podcast, So Dalton was that guy.

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Speaker 1: Then Dalton had that big year as we all know

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Speaker 1: collectively that Alex Smith was the new prime Ridian And um, so,

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Speaker 1: I guess the good way to start here, and we'll

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Speaker 1: start with you, Mark, is who should we install as

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Speaker 1: As we mentioned on our NFL Network, Kid the guy

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Speaker 1: over and over that he's good enough to get your team.

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Speaker 1: He can he can serviceably get your team to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to shred that opportunity, can get you there.

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Speaker 1: But then it all starts to crumble. And Alex Smith

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Speaker 1: to me tells you Alex Smith is out sooner than

636
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: later in Kansas City. Yeah, I think you have to

637
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: consider Alex Smith below the Dalton scale. Now. The Chiefs

638
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: have told us he's not a franchise quarterback. When Aaron

639
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: Rodgers fell to the Packers and they had Brett Farve,

640
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: they took him because he was the best player on

641
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: the board. The Chiefs gave away an extra first round pick,

642
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: traded way up to Patrick Mahomes, and that's a much

643
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: different story. Right even if Smith is sort of right

644
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: near the line, I think that move really says the

645
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: Chiefs believe he's below the line. And when you start

646
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: to do the numbers and what we can talk about

647
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, when you start to just line up all

648
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: these players, in my mind, it's unfair to have Dalton

649
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: as the middle. But then you think about who are

650
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 1: the guys you would rather have and the guys you wouldn't,

651
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: and you know what, it still works out pretty even

652
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: I did a list of who who I would want

653
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: as my quarterback moving forward, and Andy Dalton landed right

654
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: smack in the middle of starting quarterbacks. Number sixteen. Now

655
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: he's better than the number sixteen quarterback used to be,

656
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: but the the quality of play at quarterback and their

657
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: numbers are just at a different level that actually, like,

658
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: you would rather have Marcus Mariota more than him, wouldn't you,

659
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: Dan Dak Brascott, Matthew Stafford, Jamis what I mean. Those

660
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 1: are the guys that are kind of in the ten

661
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: to fifteen level, and then there's Dalton back right where

662
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: he should be. It's back to the Dalton scale. Alright,

663
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: a couple of things come that a little bit. Um.

664
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: Although we do appreciate your enthusiasm, I think it's a

665
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: little bit unfair. I thought Dalton got kind of hosed

666
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: by his own team last year, which did not do

667
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: a nice job building around him, leading to of uh,

668
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: two contributors go Tyler and Eifford being hurt at the

669
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl did not help him at all. So I

670
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: don't think like I think Andy Dalton kind of elevated

671
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: his game to the next level with me Andy's um

672
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: two years ago, and then last year he kind of

673
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: got banged by his surroundings a little bit. Uh, And

674
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: then this year I expect him to kind of be

675
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: close to guys, So I think he's on the right

676
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: side in my opinion. I want to go back to

677
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: Alex Smith one second here, Um, have you guys heard

678
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes yet? And then yeah, I mean just really

679
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: dove into playbook, getting up to speed on trying to

680
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: catch up to where these guys are, and really just

681
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: going through the motions, learning from mistakes and getting better

682
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: every rop. I don't know if it's if I'm that

683
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: far away, it's just more about I just gonna keep working,

684
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: keep getting better. I mean these veterans or guys who've

685
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: been around the league, been in the league, and I've

686
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: been very successful. So in order to be like, uh,

687
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: does that change how you guys feel at all about Patrick?

688
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: I feel like I've hit beers with him at hucka Poose.

689
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: Definitely know that voice from some how many Pro Bowl

690
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: quarterbacks came out of huck a Poose. He's He's definitely

691
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: a man where you see him step to the podium

692
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: and when the voice that comes out of his mouth

693
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 1: comes out of his it's it's surprising. It takes you back.

694
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: So I I think Alex Smith is still Alex Smith.

695
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: He's more Alex Smith than he's ever been. So I'm

696
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: with Mark on this, and you guys are more in

697
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: the camp of Dalton returning to his roots, which I

698
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: can get by. I don't want to deadlock this thing

699
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: because it's frankly, it's easier to call the Dalton scale

700
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: and Dalton is the guy in the middle. Well, I've

701
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: never taken Dalton out of west, never bought this. I

702
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I was listening to our podcast last year

703
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: and you did state that his performance last year changed

704
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: your feeling on him a little bit. It did. I

705
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: think I still ranked him sixteen. Though, how about if

706
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: we called it it's it's at any point if Andy

707
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: Dalton left to become an accountant. We called it the

708
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: Smith scale. It's the most boring last name, right at

709
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: the most area where you cannot possibly being excited. We

710
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: thought about calling it from Tanna scale too. Here the

711
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: problem with Alex Smith. First of all, he didn't play

712
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: as well last year as he had the previous two

713
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: or three years. I think he played at a lower

714
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: level and I've got him about twenty among starters, and

715
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: that team that seems like too low to be the

716
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: Daltons is not necessarily all because of the quarterback. But

717
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: you know, he was the quarterback for a team that

718
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: won the a f C West, and you know, yeah,

719
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: but I think he would I think he would admit

720
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: he did not play as well personal individually as he

721
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: did in That's the same paradigm though is Dalton, where

722
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: when he had a good team around him, they go

723
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: to the playoffs eleven and five, ten and six, and

724
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: he's not the reason alone that they were. He's not

725
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: going to be the reason that why they're six and

726
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: ten to be the one other real logical guy, and

727
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: it's the guy couldn't decide whether to rank Dalton over

728
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: or below is Kirk Cousins, who's basically East Coast Andy Dalton.

729
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: And I think if you put Andy Dalton on the Redskins,

730
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: he would put up numbers like Kirk Cousins. And I

731
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: think you mentioned how Dalton kind of went up and

732
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: down based on his surrounding cast, and I think that's

733
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: the kind of quarter of that Cousins is. How about

734
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: this for a compromise, I'm all down with putting Dalton

735
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: right there Rheins dalling him as long as we're o

736
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: k putting Alex Smith as the first guy on either side.

737
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: Now I have Alex Smith, I think the trade, the

738
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: trade changes everything. Alex Smith is not a franchise quarterback,

739
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: so to me, he's below guys like Joe Flacco, WHOA

740
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: I have Flacco below Dalton, but I could see an

741
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: argument for either side because Flacco has not played well

742
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: the past couple of years, but he's also his like Dalton,

743
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: his surrounding town has gone downhill. And as soon as

744
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: you want to rank Dalton ahead of Flacco, you remember

745
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: Flacco's postseason success, Well, you're gonna have Eli at thirty

746
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: three on this liston he is to Eli is one

747
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: of the Eli's postseason record is not nearly as good

748
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: as people think it is. All right, I'm gonna now

749
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: I will He's he's had two runs and every other

750
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: playoff appearance he's been terrible. You know, do you understand

751
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: what a super Bowl run is to to go through

752
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: the playoffs but go four and o two separate years.

753
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: But that doesn't think der useless. All other data involved

754
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: I think we can agree on though, is the Dalton

755
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: scale is a snapshot in time. So Eli has had

756
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: his time, and West and I at least I think

757
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: are in agreement that he is not where he was.

758
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: He was significantly worse last year and and that's why

759
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: it was not hard for me to rank him below

760
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: Dalton here on the Dawnton scale. I think they need

761
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: another franchise quarterback. I think this is the year, uh

762
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: that Eli, to me enters that guy. I know he's

763
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: been there for you guys earlier than this, coming off

764
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: that bad year. What is how is he going to

765
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: react to that? With a better cast around him? Should

766
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: the Shiant Giants are good enough to win games in

767
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: the playoffs this year, and if they don't and Eli

768
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: plays poorly again, I think he's on the wrong side

769
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: of this. I think he's in that kind. I still

770
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: think he's on the right side of this prime Ridian

771
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: but now he's closer than ever to the middle. For

772
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 1: me anyway, I put him right next to um Andy

773
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: Dalton right now at this point in that area. That's

774
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: where I had. Where do you got him? I put

775
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: him higher to I mean you and I think there's

776
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: two of us in this room that are probably or

777
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: more on the manning side of things. But you have

778
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: Eli manning one spot above Jared Goff. I found your

779
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: your placement of Jared Goff at one spot about tyros Well,

780
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: I know, and maybe you're you're thinking that we didn't

781
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: get a full picture of him last year. And I

782
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: also look at Carson Wentz, who you know, he has

783
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: his faults too, but he's two spots below Andy Dalton.

784
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: Where I get caught up is that if I were

785
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: to create my own team, I would quickly take a

786
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: shot on Carson Wentz is my quarterback over Andy Dalton

787
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: or not. I wouldn't go much higher on this list,

788
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: but he would be above the Andy Dalton skille for

789
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: me based on the potential. Well, I I believe that

790
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: for three years running, that same logic killed us with

791
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles. You're right at the same time, I just

792
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: don't you. Carson Wentz fixes his obvious mechanical flaws, I

793
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: cannot put him above and it is a snapshot in time.

794
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: But if the deafinitions that anyone under under below Andy Dalton,

795
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: that GM that team needs to go and find a quarterback.

796
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: It's tricky with someone like Carson Wentz when they sold

797
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: so many draft picks to go get wins. If there's

798
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: any flaw in the Dalton scale, it is those young

799
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: ascending quarterbacks that you haven't seen do it yet. Because

800
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: you're right, I had went below it too. But he

801
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: is He's not a guy that you're looking to draft

802
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: another player, but he's also not a franchise quarterback here.

803
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: He hasn't proven yet. I think I don't think we've

804
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: seen yet that he's gonna be one of the worst

805
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the NFL from mid October through the end

806
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: of You're right, and we also asked too much. It's

807
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: I think we all have learned that we don't want

808
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: to define what a quarterback is after one year. We

809
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: did that with Derek Carr. In some cases, we did

810
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: that with Blake Bortles. We've all been on the wrong

811
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: side of the fence with some of this stuff, and

812
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: some of these guys are just you have or even

813
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: after two or three years. Literally a year ago, I

814
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: did that the QBN next year end rankings. I went, look,

815
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: I had Blake Bortles ahead of Matt Ryan that year

816
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: after his good year. I think I had him fourteenth

817
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: and Ryan fifty. So a year ago at this time,

818
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: Bortles I think would have been above it. And that

819
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: was a misfire. I think it. See you called it

820
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: a flaw potentially, Greg, I see it as it makes

821
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: sense that they should be lower on the list until

822
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: they proved that they should be above that threshold. So hypothetically,

823
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: a guy like Carson Wentz, who West, you have him

824
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: at eighteen here, even despite some of his struggles in

825
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: the back half of that season, he showed a lot

826
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: of growth to get into this neighborhood now and now

827
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: we'll see if he takes the next step to get

828
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: over the hump at sixteen and then you and the Eagles.

829
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: You're feeling great because after year two you you have

830
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback for sure, but we're not sure yet.

831
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: See him there says we're not sure yet, but it's promising.

832
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: Because he's eighteen, it would be wrong to say you're sure.

833
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: So I get why he's below Dalton. So to answer

834
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: your Jared Golf question, he gets a mulligan for last year.

835
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: We don't know who he is. He had one of

836
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: the worst offensive coaching staffs we've seen in a long time,

837
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: with no quarterback guru on the staff. Uh soft offensive line,

838
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: no running game, bad receivers. I said all year, Dan,

839
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: if you remember he wasn't ready to play, they shouldn't

840
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: play it. He was terrible as a rookie. But I

841
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: think he gets a mulligan. So I ranked him right

842
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: above all the guys who nobody wants that Tyrod Taylor.

843
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: Nobody wanted him because he has limitations. Yeah, but that's

844
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: that's assuming they know what that that they're doing. I mean,

845
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: the NFL mis evaluates quarterbacks all the time, as we do.

846
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: That's why players get drafted in bad spots. I don't

847
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't get caught up too much. I have Taylor

848
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: way ahead of Golf, but it doesn't matter. They're not

849
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: that close really to the Dalton scale. The one thing

850
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: with Goff, though, that gets me, is like we're kind

851
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: of moving the goal posts here for a number one

852
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: overall pick. Like I I agree he should be given,

853
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: uh mostly a pass for his rookie season considering everything

854
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: around him, But he's also the number one pick in

855
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: the draft. And we weren't. We weren't just hoping that

856
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: Cam Newton would be passible in his second year. Like

857
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: if he is just possible, if he's okay, everyone's gonna

858
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: feel great about Jared Goff. That's not how he felt

859
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: about Luck. That's not how he felt about Marcus Mariotta,

860
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: who had no weapons around him as a rookie, Like,

861
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: this is a guy you should be able to improve

862
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: some of your teammates a little bit. Different types of prospects, though.

863
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: Just because you're a number one pick doesn't mean you're

864
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: the same. Cam Newton was not the same as Andrew

865
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: Luck and who's not the same as Jared. Some of

866
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: this is the failure of the draft industrial complex that

867
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: Jared you even went number one in the first place. Yeah,

868
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: and I am. I am fundamentally concerned about someone and

869
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: I this is not a football issue. You don't know

870
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: what side of the sky the sun rises. There's something

871
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: happening with you as a person. I would never put

872
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: that person this high on any list. So you're putting

873
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: that hard knocks uh stumble as a major disqualifier. Potentially,

874
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: it's it's much more drastic than uh Tannehill not knowing

875
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: the divisions and how all the divisions land, which was

876
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: also concerning to me. But that's more of we're all

877
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: plugged into that. He's maybe not. Maybe that is excess

878
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: mean about his focus. How focused are you on life

879
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: if you don't know where the sunrise at age twenty something?

880
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: I will counter if you went through the Hall of

881
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: Fame quarterbacks, the living hall of same quarterbacks, you might

882
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: be surprised how many of those quarterbacks don't know where

883
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: the sun right at the end of the lives. Yes,

884
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: what are you saying about quarterbacks? I'm saying it their respect.

885
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever have you ever mowed the lawn?

886
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: Have you ever walked through a park? You can't tell

887
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: where the sun is setting a rising mark? You like

888
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: you tell time by a sun dial. You're really plugged

889
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: in on this. I mean I if if I have

890
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: any friends that do not know where the sun rises

891
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: and sets, I don't think that I'd have to sit

892
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: down and think about the friendship. All right, West, by

893
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: the way, on your list, you have Carson Palmer, and

894
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: you know this Eli stuff sticks in my crawl. Carson

895
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: Palmer is a noted playoff, choke artist and a guy

896
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: that really stumbled in his age thirty eight season, and

897
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reason to think that he is

898
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: not nearly the guy he was three years ago. That

899
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 1: you have him considerably higher than Eli Um. Why is that? Well,

900
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: he's what a year and a half removed from finishing

901
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: second in the m v P race. He played really

902
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: well down a stretch last time, well as Eli Manning

903
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: was uh face planting and ruining the Giant season. Carson

904
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: Palmer is a better quarterback than Eli Manning. That's why

905
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: I have him. But he but he is below the

906
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: Dalton line, which I think makes sense because I think

907
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: you saw last year he's going up and down with

908
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: what's happening around him. If he does not have protection.

909
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: He is not someone who's going to survive, which is

910
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: true of a lot of quarterbacks, but he is a

911
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: guy that you no longer feel is the guy that

912
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: they need to get another. The only reason I have

913
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: him below Dalton is because he is flirted with retirement

914
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: and he's year to year at this point, so you

915
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: can't consider my franchise quarter And there was a lot

916
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: of heat around the fact that the Cardinals also were

917
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: very interested in Patrick Mahomes. I had I have him

918
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: as the quarterback directly below the Dalton scale. That's where

919
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: Harson Carson Palmer. Yeah, but that he's the first one

920
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: that gets cut. So you okay, So and West has

921
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins. Excusing that Kirk Cousins Joe Flacco in that

922
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: same spot, Palmer, Mark, Who would you put as the

923
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: first guy kind of below Andy Dalton although you think

924
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: it's Alex Smith. Yeah, I think I would. I would

925
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: flip flop dalt. I would maybe put Dalton below Alx Smith.

926
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: I would be that would be the same place I

927
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: would go with it. You guys think Alex Smith is

928
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: a better player than Dalton. Is that what you're saying? No,

929
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: I think I think Dalton. Well, let me put it

930
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: kind of like the same thing. I guess to me

931
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: better they better be touching each other. And I put

932
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: kirk Cousins above both of them. I think Dalton can

933
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: be uh considerably better. And yeah, Cousins was the one

934
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, guys, how you're feeling

935
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: about old Kirky these days, because he's me and him

936
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: and Dalton are the same guy. Alex Smith, to me

937
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: is is a tear is pretty significantly below that. And

938
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: those two guys are are to me the whole They

939
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: are this exercise. They are that I feel like, if

940
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 1: you have you should have, if your if your list

941
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: is making sense, it makes sense. Or Kirk Cousins to

942
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: being that fourteen to eighteen area, Yeah, I feel like,

943
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, he's and this is a big year for

944
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: him and the only thing you could say about it's

945
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: been a very weird contract uh SA situation way it's

946
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: played out in d C with Kirk Cousins. But if

947
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: the Redskins, for instance, we're all about the Dalton scale,

948
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: this is exactly how you would want to play it,

949
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: kind of taking this thing year by year and try

950
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 1: to figure out who this guy is. Uh. And they

951
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: now they get another year to it seems like that's

952
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: exactly how they're playing it. And yeah, and maybe to

953
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: their credit, unless it blows up in their face, they

954
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: I think they they share that view, or else they

955
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: would have acted differently over the last few years. They

956
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: seem pretty willing to roll the dice and and walk

957
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: watch him walk away, or possibly even trade him away

958
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: a year from now. Well, I think Jake Gruden sees

959
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: him is is Andy Dalton, And if Jake Gruden was

960
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: running that front office, he'd be signed already. But he's

961
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: not running that front office. How about Dak Prescott, just

962
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: fourth round rookie jumping right over the Dalton Dalton line,

963
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: unlike most rookies right in his first season. He deserves

964
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: it right agree everything that he did about it, but

965
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: it does again, it's more like a football thing rather

966
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: than a flaw. On this list, it shows you how

967
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: much having an amazing supporting cast can make a quarterback

968
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: look better or perform better. If Dak Prescott switched places

969
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: with Carson Wentz, I'm not saying Wentz would have performed

970
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: as well, but I don't think Dak Prescott is on

971
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: the right side of this yet. But the Cowboys, just

972
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: like the chiefs and reverse. The cowboys told you what

973
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: they thought by letting Tony Romo drift off. And I

974
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 1: think Dak, like, for instance, Jared Goff, you know we're

975
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: giving him a pass. I think we saw enough out

976
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: of Jared Goff to say if he had been put

977
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: in that situation in Dallas, things would not have gone

978
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: as well as they went with Dak Prescott. I mean,

979
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: you can still make evaluations on whether guys are processing

980
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: things because he's not accurate, because he really sorry, I

981
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: miss did you say Tony Romo? No, I was saying

982
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: Goff somehow Dallas. Then then it wouldn't work out. Okay, Sorry, Greg,

983
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: I just misunderstood you for sec Now you said something else,

984
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: and I was going to take him to pisc on

985
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: News and then I said, wait a second, did I

986
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: hear him? Right? It turns out I didn't thank you

987
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: for taking us through your thought process. All right? In

988
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: the bottom mark, do you have a thirty two? Did

989
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: you do with thirty two two? Or am I just

990
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: going off West? And I did not produce one? Okay,

991
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: that's fine, that's fine. So probably to the viewer's delight, Greg,

992
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: this is on TV, Greg, Greg and West in your

993
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: respective bottom tens. Who's the guy that would surprise you

994
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: the least to jump onto the right side of the

995
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: primer Indian here? Uh, it's between Trevor Simeon and Blake Bortles.

996
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: If Bortles could ever fix his mechanics, and I am

997
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: no longer holding out hope. You have twenty six and

998
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: twenty seven those two guys, Bortles and Simmon in that. Yeah,

999
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: I am not holding out hope for Bortles anymore. I

1000
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: have given up the ghost. But he has the tools

1001
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: if he can ever fix his mechanics. Trevor Simmey and

1002
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: I liked almost everything I saw out of him last year.

1003
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: I just don't know if he's talented enough. We'll see

1004
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 1: barely sneaking into my bottom ten. There was Sam Bradford,

1005
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me with some improved protection,

1006
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: uh that he puts together. If he puts together the

1007
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: quality of play that he did a year ago again,

1008
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: then to me, he's he's kind of proven that he

1009
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: is a reliable, middle tier but solid franchise quarterback. The

1010
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: only reason I still had him so low is that

1011
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: it was the best season of his career, and he's

1012
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: been in the NFL a long time. He's played a

1013
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: long time, so I want to see him. I want

1014
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: to see him do it again. He outplayed Andy Dalton

1015
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 1: with uh you know, Dalton had a bad offensive line.

1016
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford had one of the worst offensive lines I've

1017
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: ever seen. I think that's fair. But you have you

1018
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: have Bradford below your Dalton scale as well I do.

1019
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: I have him nineteen and he would be higher if

1020
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: not for his injury history. Next, I feel like Sam

1021
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: Bradford is exactly where he should be, the place he

1022
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: always was and always will be. Like right around twenty

1023
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: on this list, hand's never bought into the Bradford renaissance.

1024
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: Well he was. He was very good last year, but still,

1025
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, what was he He

1026
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: was a quarterback that lorded over a deeply mediocre team.

1027
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: It wasn't all his fault, obviously, But is he ever

1028
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy that's you're gonna build a franchise

1029
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: around At this stage, if it hasn't happened yet, still

1030
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 1: pretty young, I mean guys thirty at this point, Yeah,

1031
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: I got you. But guys like rich Gannon, we we've

1032
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: seen quarterbacks as you think Trent Green that yeah, that

1033
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: if he got in the perfect it is tough quarterback

1034
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: to take to separate him from the team. But if

1035
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: he got a perfect situation like a Trent Green, like

1036
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: a rich Gannon, could he make that sort of developed

1037
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: that late in his career. Maybe forget sandwiches, I will uh,

1038
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: you could sign over your car payments and your monthly

1039
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: rentals at your home in Santa Monica. If Sam Bradford

1040
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: ever wins the m v P and or takes his

1041
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: team to the super Bowl. But take him up on that? Yeah, okay,

1042
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 1: what do I give up? Nothing? I mean MVP, MVP

1043
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: and happening going to the super Bowl. I mean some

1044
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: bad core are Rex have made it to the super Bowl?

1045
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: Rex gross and made it to the super Bowl. Daddy

1046
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: likes that one. They never know. I mean that that

1047
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 1: Viking spread seven? Who know that's possible? That's good luck?

1048
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: Good luck. Can you imagine Dan, if you had to

1049
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: go home one night and explain to your wife and

1050
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: at that point your children who would be would be

1051
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: aware of this that you have taken on a financial

1052
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: burden that will sink your household for a thousand better?

1053
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: What if what if the Vikings start making a run right?

1054
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: This is this is they're making the playoffs. This is recorded,

1055
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: and you picked the wrong like you know, if you

1056
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: did this with wesser Mark, they'd be like, a ha ha,

1057
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: you can take me up for some jects. Now I

1058
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: want that Oh, I want that run money that's happening.

1059
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: I know this, you know scratches an itch for you, Greg,

1060
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: So I have no problem with it. And now I

1061
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 1: will say, if it ever did happen, if you turned

1062
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: out to be the subject of a date line episode,

1063
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: don't be surprised if I had to make the problem

1064
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: go away. You know what does that even mean? That

1065
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: means you would be you'd beat the subject, but you

1066
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't be watching it because you'd be deep below the earth.

1067
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: But it's like you wouldn't be interviewed, but you would be.

1068
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: I got not to to hide. Well, he wants to

1069
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: hide something. It would be you. I'd kill you, Greg,

1070
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 1: I had murder you if I had, if you stood

1071
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: between between me and taking care of my family, would

1072
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 1: have to probably kill you. I thought you were trying

1073
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: to entrap me in some sort of uh no, but

1074
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: that's a good idea too. That I could entrap you. Well,

1075
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: you you've already hatched the plan on a public podcast.

1076
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: We should we should edit this part out just in

1077
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: case I need to unferral some type of scheme. Cut

1078
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: it out. Where would you guys put Ryan? Do you

1079
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: guys think that Ryan tanne I feel like I'm speaking

1080
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: to the wrong room for this, but I think if

1081
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: we were talking to a lot of NFL people, there

1082
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: would be something that would make the case for Ryan Tannehilton.

1083
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: Dat scale at this. Why do you do this every

1084
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: off season? All the Dolphins fans are starting to get

1085
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: riled up. Everybody calm down, Let's hear out West. Now

1086
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: I have an off season. People want to act like

1087
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill's much better than he is. He played better

1088
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: last year. I think that's fair to say that the

1089
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: end stretch with Gaze was the best stretch of his career.

1090
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: I think that his last six seven games last year

1091
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: before he got hurt, I'm a big unclosing season stretch,

1092
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: and then he got hurt, wildly played up in the

1093
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: upcoming season. I remember JaMarcus Russell's wild closing stretch and

1094
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: everybody was convinced. How about the Geno Smith closing stretch

1095
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: that had Gregg doing cartwheels. He hasn't played since. A

1096
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of stuff is happening at the

1097
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: end of any NFL season two. But I think here's

1098
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: that was mid season. He just got hurt in Week

1099
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 1: fourteen or whatever. I guess think it's it's a snapshot

1100
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: of Tannehill. He'd be higher than he would have been

1101
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: maybe in other periods in his career. But if it's

1102
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: if you're thinking about Tannehill the overall product, I think

1103
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: he's right where he should be. I I have him

1104
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: nineteen and I think he is among the guys below

1105
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: the Dalton scale for me, like Flacco, that would have

1106
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: a good chance to jump above because I think, but

1107
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: you say that year, but this is the first time

1108
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: he's had a competent coordinator for the second straight year.

1109
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: He certainly got better talent around him. If he doesn't

1110
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: do it now, there are no excuses. But I think

1111
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: you can look at Mike Sherman and Joe Philbin and

1112
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: and what's been going on with the offensive line and

1113
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: and make some excuses for I think that's what we

1114
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: When Andy Dalton took the team to eight and no

1115
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: or whatever, and he was playing in an m v

1116
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: P level. It was in a world where everything around

1117
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: him was perfect for the most part, and we got

1118
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: the prime version of Andy Dalton, a version that I

1119
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: think would have argued for him not to be in

1120
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: this spot again if that play had continued. Ever again,

1121
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: not close to it. But if you look at Tannehill,

1122
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: we're projecting that he has to do it. We can't

1123
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: just say everything needs to be perfect around Tannehill then

1124
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: he'll rise above Dalton. It's no coincidence that this sequence

1125
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: that Gregg is talking about also Cohen. It is also

1126
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,439
Speaker 1: when they started to run their offense through j h I. Yep,

1127
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: but he ran he One thing Tannehill did last year

1128
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: and he should be given credit because he got picked

1129
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: on a lot for it was he threw the ball

1130
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: deep well period and that was one of maybe the

1131
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: biggest weakness that he had. Ended up averaging seven point

1132
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: seven yards per tempt, Like can you do it again? Yeah,

1133
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: he showed some progress, That's all I'm saying. He's been

1134
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: around for a while. I can't track of Greg's Tannehill

1135
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: love scale. It seems to come and go. It's sometimes

1136
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: it's stronger than others. I remember it was very very

1137
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: strong entering that Dan Campbell season. I'd started lost off

1138
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: going into last year, and now your kid's getting back.

1139
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: He regretted bailing on him, Yeah, a little bit. Well

1140
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: it's not too late. Not too late. Uh. I think

1141
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: he's perfect right where he is hanging out around Sam Bradford.

1142
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: But we'll see. Maybe he does make the leap. Uh

1143
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: for good for you, Greg, which would be bad news

1144
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: for your football team, but you don't really care anymore.

1145
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: I care if you know, if any Tannehill gets in

1146
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: the way of them in the playoffs or anything like

1147
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: that that crush them, like all credit to him. I'm

1148
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: not expecting that happened. Um, anything else we want to discuss,

1149
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: we I guess we because I like, I like to

1150
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: come out of this with us all being on the

1151
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: same page. But there's no reason to force it either.

1152
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: But where some of us believe Alex Smith is, some

1153
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: of us believe, uh that Andy Dalton is the prime Ridian.

1154
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: But in general, I think the bigger takeaways who is

1155
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: in that realm and who's gonna who's gonna fall back,

1156
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: who's gonna jump over? And that's what we've really dug

1157
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: get on here, and I think we haven't talked a

1158
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: lot about the guys that are above the line because

1159
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: it feels like this year, more than others, that they

1160
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: are kind of no doubters. Like Stafford is a no doubter. Now,

1161
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: Camp of course is a no doubter. I think Mariota

1162
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: and Winston at this point are are no doubters all

1163
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: right here, Yeah, let's do this earlier we we looked

1164
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: at the bottom ten. Who in your boys is top

1165
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: ten quarterbacks? Uh? Stands the greatest chance to drop below

1166
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: the Dalton line in oh this was where it could

1167
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: get a little testy. Well, I have Stafford in Newton

1168
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: nine and ten. I just say they're the most likely. Stafford,

1169
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean he's in an offense where they throw quick

1170
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: short passes. Does that really use his skill set the most?

1171
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. And Newton had one of the least

1172
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: accurate stretches we've seen down the stretch last year. He

1173
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: was playing through a shoulder injury. But I don't know.

1174
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,479
Speaker 1: I think we'll see what Cam Newton does this year. Yeah,

1175
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: Cam would be my choice, and I I love Cam,

1176
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: I love watching him. I don't think it's gonna happen,

1177
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: yet they want to change the offense. He's coming up

1178
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: a shoulder surgery, and you look at the last his

1179
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: last three seasons. I think it's universally agreed not a

1180
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: top ten quarterback in M v P. Not a top

1181
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: ten quarterback. That is a but that's a crazy career thing.

1182
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: So could he if he struggled again, if he had

1183
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: another bad season, is that going to change the way

1184
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: we think about And you know, I guess, I guess

1185
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: it would because I would be three out of four years.

1186
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: I would go with Stafford and Newton because I think

1187
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: they'll both be leapfrogged by Mariotta and Winston and and honestly,

1188
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: I could see Philip Rivers getting back up into the

1189
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: top ten. With with top ten, I'm talking that will

1190
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: drop out of the top. I'm saying that would just

1191
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: that would displace the too co out of the sixteen.

1192
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: Stafford for me, yeah, I'm with you all that just

1193
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: because obviously he's had great moments all throughout his career.

1194
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: But could I see him regressing a little bit? Has

1195
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: he has he peeked as a player. It's it's possible.

1196
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: I got a bad taste of my mouth to that

1197
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: that playoff loss to the Seahawks. I feel like I'm

1198
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: kind of sick of Met Stafford after that game, sick

1199
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: of the hole met Stafford. Also, I really was impressed

1200
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: by the way he played. I think he played in

1201
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: a way that convinced me that he's going to have

1202
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: a really nice back end of his career. That he

1203
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: kind of was is a very steady He was not

1204
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: their problem. He's the one problem. But I think in

1205
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: the past he's been very up and down. Last year

1206
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: he was not up and down. To me, it's just

1207
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: looking at West top ten over here, I don't see

1208
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: like a total phony hanging out in there. It's an

1209
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: automatic to drop it to I think when you when

1210
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: you look at the breath of Matthew Stafford's career, the

1211
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: one thing that jumps out is his total inability to

1212
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: beat good teams. Yeah, and that's a trait of I

1213
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: think that's a trait of the Dalton scale esque issues.

1214
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: Is that for me, that's part of it. And Stafford

1215
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: has been there and he's been this physically gifted player

1216
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: the whole time, and yet how many huge wins do

1217
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: you remember? And and finally, just a little cute note

1218
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: here my favorite little rivalry between my boys. West has

1219
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: uh Marcus Mariotta one spot ahead of Jamis Walton, and

1220
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: Greg has Jamis Winston one spot ahead of Marcus Mariotta.

1221
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: You guys are so cute. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't

1222
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: waffle on that one at all. Mariota clearly. Well, I

1223
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: mean it's not like you have them to to uh

1224
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: too far apart there. That is funny. We didn't see

1225
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: our lists obviously separate. All right, there you go. That

1226
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: is are Dalton Scale conversation for two thousand, uh seventeen.

1227
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: Finally a little bit of breaking news here and then

1228
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: to do that, Yes, we're going to the Ravens Nest.

1229
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: Hit me again. Not good news. Ravens cornerback Tavon Young

1230
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: suffered a torn a c l at O t a

1231
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: s expected to uh miss most of or if not,

1232
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: the entire seen season. Was a nice player in the

1233
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: slot for them as a rookie. Uh no official word

1234
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: out yet, but tough times in the Ravens Nest today.

1235
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: I I really was impressed by him as a rookie.

1236
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: He was such a tough player. But they are about

1237
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: as deep at cornerback as as any team in football,

1238
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: which is surprising to say about the Ravens. They have

1239
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith, their first round pick, Marlon Humphrey and Brandon

1240
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: Carr still three pretty solid cornerbacks. So if if they

1241
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: were going to take a bad injury at a position,

1242
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: I guess cornerback would be one to do it. Guys,

1243
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: right to hop out of the nests. We're late visit

1244
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: to the nest. Sometimes you're and sometimes you're have time

1245
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: to hop out of that nest. All right, it's time

1246
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: to end the Around the NFL podcast. We got a

1247
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: big softball game to prepare for. No more work, only

1248
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: focus on an important game. And I will say it again.

1249
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,439
Speaker 1: I say this with peace and love. Heads will roll

1250
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: if we do not prevail tonight. Pressure is on how

1251
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: many jobs are on the line in this game. I

1252
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: don't want to put a number on it because I

1253
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: don't want people listen. I want people looking over their

1254
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: shoulders during this game, but I don't want them to

1255
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: be in an outright panic where they're they're counting numbers

1256
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: and saying, looking at the box score, who's doing better?

1257
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: Do I have to stay above this guy? But just

1258
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: no skips watching very closely half the team is in Europe.

1259
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean, how are you going to contact one of

1260
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: these vacationers if it's them that gets axed. Uh, we

1261
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: should have close to a full squad today. Actually, when

1262
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: one thing you should like or not like, but at

1263
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: least take comfort in the the arc of the team.

1264
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: It's somewhat similar. It's even early in the process to

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Speaker 1: last year's team. Right, you guys had some ups and downs.

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Speaker 1: You were saying, you're seven and seven at one each

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Speaker 1: With all due respect, each season is its own thing.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not going to say, oh, just because we

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Speaker 1: sucked it up for a portion of the regular season

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Speaker 1: last year, it's okay, that's happening this year. No, I

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Speaker 1: expect more from this team this year coming off our season,

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Speaker 1: and I haven't liked what I've seen in the last

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Some of the some of the playing

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Speaker 1: and some of the attitudes quite funny. Uh. And if

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Speaker 1: I have to make a move, I have to make

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Speaker 1: a move. So I don't want to get on your radar.

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Speaker 1: But what if someone raises the issue that you were

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Speaker 1: not at the last time. Well, I put family above softball, Alright,

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Speaker 1: this isn't about everyone can miss a game here and there.

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Speaker 1: That's fine, that's not the issue. And it's when you're

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Speaker 1: on the field, what are you doing for me? In fact,

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Speaker 1: me missing games shouldn't be the end of the world.

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Speaker 1: So we have a lot of guys. My problem is,

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of guys, But I got a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys that can play, and I'm gonna make

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Speaker 1: some decisions based on I see today. I have taken

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Speaker 1: copious scattering reports the last few weeks, and I am

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Speaker 1: ready to contribute to this discussion anyway you needs. You know,

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Speaker 1: as my as my consigliari, we always discuss any huge moves. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and that will happen again. So good luck Greg in

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Speaker 1: today's game. Wow. Great, No, Greg, You've done very well

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Speaker 1: this season. I just want to make that clear. Uh.

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Speaker 1: But it's more, I'm watching the entire team. Okay, that's it.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back. I mean, I'm out here sacrificing for

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Speaker 1: this team. I see a gnarly, bloody picture every like Greg.

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Speaker 1: Greg's earned. Just keep We'll be back on Tuesday with

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Speaker 1: another episode of the Round the NFL podcast. Dan Hans

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Speaker 1: designing off for the Scissor, The Mailman, the Boston Slily

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Speaker 1: Behind the Glass Tail Tuesday, Pat