WEBVTT - KJ Live - Stais Boseman 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:10.360 This is kJ Live with Chris john Silli and Chris 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.680 is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:19.760 entertainment in the strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:24.560 too in to kJ Live. Happy New Year, everybody. Today's 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:30.280 guests on the show is a California icon who's arguably 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:35.960 the greatest athlete all around athletes ever race the field 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:40.480 for the court simultageous late okay, in the state of California. 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.800 It was all packed ted in basketball at the University 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:49.200 of Southern California. Let's welcome in the boss, Stays bows Man. 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:53.640 What's up, Stays? How's it going there? Man? Yes, same 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:55.840 here brother. Man, it's been so long. Man, you're like 0:00:55.840 --> 0:01:00.240 one of the most like just low key dudes. Uh. 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.040 You know, nobody can find you on social media. You know, 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.560 nobody like asked where Stacey is that? Man? Like he's 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.720 on Facebook? That's it? What's up with that? Man? Why 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.399 are you something little key dun Oh? Man? You know, 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.800 I guess you are who you are. I've always been 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:15.399 like that. Man. I try to keep a little profile. 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.600 I try to staft the way just it's easier. Yeah, 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:20.720 for sure, man, for sure. Man. One of the things 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.280 I wanted to do today, brother's kind of just talk 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.000 about your journey through athletics. Man. You you come out 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.960 of a part of the country, man that has produced 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:32.640 some of the greatest athletes to ever play, uh yourself 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.840 included talk about your upbringing. Man. Where were you born 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:40.200 with city, what neighborhood, and what influence did that uh 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.319 neighborhood have on your growing up? I was born uh 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:45.680 you know Marston Nazi seny four. I was actually born 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.600 in the city of Corver City. I was actually born 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:51.680 in Corver City. And uh, but I resided on Like 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:55.280 you said, who burn eighty four? And I can't believe 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.880 you found that man? And uh that's actually man over 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:00.960 there is like like was that was like one the 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:05.280 time like when like like a cracking and and games 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:07.640 kind of like just kind of like kicked in, you 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.040 know what I mean, like like a flare. So like 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.320 every day it was like it was it was while 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:15.079 over there either it was breaking in the houses and 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.080 were fighting. But at some point we played throw up tackle. 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.320 We played football in the streets. I'm talking about tackle 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:26.000 on concrete. We're hitting cars. That's why that's why I 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.600 developed a love for football over there though. I always 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:30.280 wanted to be like Lin Swan, who was who was 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.240 my childhood ado, and I just took it from there. 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.840 So you're saying it was at the beginning of the 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:40.040 crack era. But you're in the street playing football. Just 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.120 talk about like what a day would look like. Man, 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.160 you're coming from school, Man, dudes is on the corner. 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.160 You had temptations there you I mean, dude slanking. You're 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.000 seeing this stuff like and you're really seeing it, Like 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:52.760 you might be walking down the street in the Allen 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.200 and you've seeing some guy over there getting right, you know, 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:59.760 hitting the hype, are doing whatever you're doing. Just we 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.480 were we had so much energy, I think, like we 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.560 couldn't say still. So we was either like for real 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:11.240 like rocket cars, uh, school, sleeping at people's windows. But 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:13.919 at some point we always find time for football and 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.200 football and knowing that at some point throughout the day 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.160 that I was gonna play football kept me on the 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:22.840 right path. And man, I can't imagine what them games 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.600 in the street must have looked like. Man, because you 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.400 think of the cars, so you got to dodge the 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:30.160 cars and traffic and then the dude you're playing against 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:34.240 that's man, there's no We got cats out there like 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.440 nine and cats out there like like fourteen. So that's real. 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:39.680 It was wild man on the east side of the 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.000 east Side. This is a cut over there, man. But 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.320 thank god. You know, Mom's got a different kind of job. 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.200 She was came a No On one operator. So we 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.360 moved to the city of Englewood, and that's why I 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.960 started playing organized ball. How how old were you when 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.080 you moved to the wood most of the wood? I 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.440 was eight years old? Okay, and you you played? But 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.840 where did you start off with parking? What Rex Centers, 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:08.360 the legendary Derby Park. Yeah, yeah, I went up there. 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.000 I went up there to just that was a local 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:12.680 park when we first moved over there. The first day 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:17.000 we moved over, like a park around here. Go to 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.320 the park and uh, we're just playing ball and stuff, 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.279 and Cash is going to sign up for football. I'm like, 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.680 what y'all doing it? I might so it's organized games. 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.560 So I run home, grab mom's litter or somebody. Yes, free, 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.040 come sign me. Yeah. Yeah, we get there. It's like 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:32.919 a hundred dollars. She looking at me like, I'm like, 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:38.760 find that. That's why I signed up at uh and 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.280 I started playing football for Derby Park for the UHLE 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.760 with uh Incas. That was my first team in with 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.040 incas so and and then not with the Incas that 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.320 was this tackle was this flagg at first so straight 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:55.440 tackle it first helmet everything. Now did y'all compete against 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.680 like you know, Carson and all these other type of 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:02.400 programs and stuff, Carson Landwood hard thing like all the 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.520 uh the schools. Yeah, it was real. Who were some 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.839 of the guys, man, Because because my dad grew up 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.240 playing at Sportsman's Part, which Jesse Owens Park, so he 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.120 always talks about him, James loft In, the old receiver 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:18.200 from the Yeah, but they grew up together. But that's 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:23.920 why I played basketball at Sportsman. I played Jesse Part. Okay, Okay, 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.000 at Jesse, I wasn't kind of I wasn't nice enough 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.159 to play at Darby. Okay, that's real. That's so I 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.279 wanted Jesse. It just kind of more rough and rugged. 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.440 So you know, that's what we worked with me. But 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.320 were there any other cats? Were there any other cats? 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.760 Like you know, guys, we may know that you came 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:45.080 up with that at Darby too, Darby, like Curtis Conway 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:50.120 was always my football bro. Jamel Holloway. It was something 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.120 Lindsley Hunt. It was so many there's so many guys 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:55.120 over there, man. But yeah, yeah it was pretty cool. Man. 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.440 That's real. That's real. And so you're doing the football thing, 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.080 you get in the morning side. What school did you 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.040 start off at? What was your first elementary school? The 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:06.040 mornings at our Inglewood with the war Online Elementary? Okay, 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.599 And now was there a difference as far as the 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.479 adjustment process as far as being from uh, growing up 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.320 on the East Side and then going to Inglewood or 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.880 was it good or was it cool? It was a 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.240 big adjustment because casting Ingleod was kind of way a 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.760 little bit more players were kind of late back, you know, 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.520 Catt like you know, dressed and like, you know, I 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:28.839 had outfits on like it was matching. It was matching 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.719 and all that, you know, she was matching name brassed 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:33.799 up and of my coming from you were just getting 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.160 how he was getting it. You know. It was kind 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:37.960 of a show. Shock in my first year was actually 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.200 kind of rough for me to fit in because I 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.360 didn't I didn't I was almost always kind of little 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.400 socially awkward and it was kind of really kind of 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.200 rough me to fit in over there for the first year. Yeah, 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.880 one from me being uh pretty good ball, it would 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.560 have been really really rough. I'll kind of cut that 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.080 brother from me, you know. Yeah, man, I mean I 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:57.880 hear that a lot. Man. A lot of guys that 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.320 you know may have struggled with, you know, the ship 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.920 part of the thing. They kind of gravitated towards just 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.040 just hooping or just playing football, just doing one thing 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.919 and then immersing themselves in that is that Does that 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.720 describe what you kind of did or that's exactly what 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:14.559 I did described to a tea And people probably didn't 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.560 know that about me, But I was all flamboyant, but 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.720 I was just the opposite, you know, so concentrating on 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.920 the sport and actually, uh, you know, meeting dominicu Ellis 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:25.560 and my best friend kind of kind of helped me 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.720 out a lot. Yeah. How old were you when you 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:33.360 were dime met man? Uh? Ten eleven? Wow? Two or something? 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:35.960 Got into the wood by teen eleven, that's right, that's right, man, 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.520 because you guys, you guys had that that you guys 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.640 had a couple of movies done on your hard hardwood 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:45.560 dreams and they followed you guys from Pretty young Man. Yeah, 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.120 well they followed us Hardwood Dreams, the first one. They 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.120 followed us a whole senior in high school. Okay, okay, 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.120 but it was like every day though. It was like 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.320 so that was getting stuff they were supposed to get, 0:07:55.360 --> 0:08:00.160 you know, about your house, you know, Friday, like camera like, hey, 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:04.640 what you're doing? It not count? How did you? How 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:06.920 did you adjust to that? Man? You know, you ego 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.480 what you decided to go to Morningside and now you 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.400 got cameras in your face? How do you? How did 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.360 you adjust to that? I really didn't because for me, 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:15.880 I never wanted to do it because this at that point, 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:17.880 I don't want cameras following me around all the time. 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.440 And it just made it the show everywhere you went, 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:22.600 like every you know, just following you the class, follow 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.640 you the lunch. It just put a lot of tension 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.720 and pressure on you that that I didn't I didn't want, 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.920 But it wasn't my decision towards the end because because 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:32.720 it's part of a team and the team wanted to 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.320 do it for publicity and stuff like that. So and 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.000 I also think, man, it's it was at a time 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:41.000 when that type of story was you know, it was 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.520 really important to tell you know, you had other stories 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.839 that they were doing documentaries of the inner city high 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.200 school athlete and his plight. And I think that that 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:50.920 it shared the light of a lot of things, man, 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.440 about what people like yourself actually had to go through 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:56.880 on the day to day. A lot of times we 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.160 hear about this stuff, but once you see it, you know, 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.520 on the big scre it kind of changes your perspective. 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:02.959 But I think you guys, man, you guys had a 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:04.920 you know, you guys had a hell of a run. Man. 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:06.640 You guys were obviously one of the best teams in 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.720 the country. What it was most memorable about that senior year, 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.840 like a memorable game, a memorable moment when the cameras 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:19.679 are on. Man. Uh, probably when we played our teaser man. Uh, 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:23.400 you know you you with my career, I don't did 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.280 a couple of game winners. You don't hit You're like, 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.160 you're hitting game winners every game, you know what I mean. 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:30.959 So it was a big game of big stage and uh, 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.080 I hit a three to win the game, and that 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.400 was probably the most memorable as far as my senior 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.880 as far as basketball. Wait, I think I remember hearing 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:43.560 about that. You wait, that's the way you like. Then 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.880 you get the rebound and dribble it out and sudd 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:50.040 the rebound, dribble it out and why I don't know. 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.440 I guess I was just nervous, don't keep it real. 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:54.160 I don't know why d over out because I could 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:58.719 just put it right back in. Yeah yeah, but let 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.920 it fly. And it was game and I was That's 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:02.520 all I remember so much, so I was like, what 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:07.200 was I doing? Like now, that was when you competing 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:09.560 sometimes such stuff taking over and you just don't know 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.760 what you and just happened, you know, Yeah? Yeah, man, 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:14.560 I mean I shot I hit a finger roll from 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.200 about fifteen feet out the sports arena against my other day. Man, 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.480 I don't know what I was doing. I just I 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.000 just threw it up. I just do that thing up, 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.760 same exact type of scenario. It was like. When I 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.080 looked back, I'm like, what was I thinking? I'm shooting 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:31.320 a finger roll from fifty feet in nine? Right? Right? 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.480 But I got one question for you, man. I always 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.160 want to ask you man, like I doesn't feel to 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:40.040 go for a fifty ball in college? Oh man, it 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:44.440 wasn't fifty man, it felt like it was thirty six. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.040 It felt like it was twenty five. In the first half. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.079 It should have been fifth, should have been fifty, but 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.599 they stopped passing to too many seconds. But I know 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:54.719 I felt good. Brother, Now I felt good. Man. That 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:56.640 was against Kyle Sharif and them, man, but that was 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.120 doing the heyday of the Pac ten man. That the 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:04.040 live live time. Man. But people, but stay, but stay. 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:05.959 Something I wanted to talk. I wanted to find out 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:07.800 from you man during this time. Right, so you have 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.760 Morningside man, you bother your star to sport athlete. I 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:13.640 remember you, guys. I think you. Then you guys went 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.199 state in football too. You want to state in football? 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.200 But they askedly took the took the title back because 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.839 we had a player that was alignment. Okay, back when 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:23.880 they used to pop you for being too oh, nowadays 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.680 you can be like twenty two and no problems, no problem, 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.559 no problem, Okay, take it away. But but what I 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.600 wanted to know, man, Like when we hear about guys 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.719 your reputation in high school was like, oh, stay, you 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.439 know he real with it. You know he's he's real. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:46.400 So I wanted to know how much of that persona 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:50.079 or that reputation was real, and how much of it 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.480 was kind of a legendary thing that people were just 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:55.319 kind of saying and putting a lot on it, and 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.079 how much of it was real. I mean, you know, 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.679 none's never hundred percent real when you're in the media, 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:06.200 you know. But but I'll probably say it for the job, 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.800 because you know, I was you know, I was actively 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:10.599 in the gang and I was in the streets, so 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.840 I can't think that's just who I was at that time. 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.400 I think that kind of helped my toughness because on 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.839 a day to day life in the streets, while I 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.559 from Inglewood and the bottoms and stuff like that, it's 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.120 it can get pretty rough. I can help me as 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.920 far as, like, you know, as far as the basketball 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.000 and football, because guys are out there in your best 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.360 sentsians elbows here and you know, tripping you here and 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.600 there and there. But you know, it just didn't really 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.640 face me like that. What was that influence in your 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.800 life that kept you on that path that straight and narrow, 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.800 the one that was Staates, you know, going to college 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:48.439 and he's gonna you know, be going to class and 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:50.720 being eligible and playing and being an all pac twelve. 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.199 Who what was the influence in your life that helped 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.959 you stay on that path? It was it was for me, 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.520 it was always my mom's wresting peace. She's just always 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:02.839 I mean, even when I was messing up, Like my 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:04.840 mom was a hit the block, people like, hey, when 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.360 your moms just came right and I'm like what, I'm like, man, 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.319 where's she go? I'm like, all right, let me let me, 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:11.760 you know what I mean. Moms is just she was 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.679 always even like she just never quit on me, even 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.719 because you know, you know how it is, you know, 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.720 you don't always make the best decisions when you when 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.400 you're young, you know, when you're youngster. So but in 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.839 the bad time, she never quit on me. And it 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.760 was bad always, so how much fight she had in 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:28.600 her and I wanted to kind of make it right 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.280 and try to get back on the right path, you know, 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:34.160 absolutely absolutely. Uh. Talk about your recruiting process at this 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.040 time as a two sport athlete, Man, I know you 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.319 had some of the top schools in the country. The 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.600 thing recruiting you, the thing I was kind of curious 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.319 about was, you know what, like where were you real 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.480 serious about going outside of s C obviously like to 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.120 play and in what schools we're gonna let you play 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:56.160 football and basketball? Well, Arizona was was a school I was, well, actually, 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.800 I'll take that back. Connecticut was a school I wasn't 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.000 about too. Man was on my trip I committed and everything. Man, 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.360 you can't huh yeah, man uh. I went there. It 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.240 was just I had such a great time and it's 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.280 such a family atmosphere. It was just and Calhoun was 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.480 just the best man. He was like he was I 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.199 don't know, just so there's something a bottom and just 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:17.400 just made you want to run through a wall, you 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.120 know what I mean. Like I was on my I 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.320 was on my recruit trip. I'm like, man, that's school. 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:23.920 Grab shoes. He threw me some shoes and I was 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.000 hooping him. So it was I understood what I went 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:28.520 there to day. It was gonna be about business and 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.440 trying to get somewhere, and that's what I wanted to do. 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:35.880 That's why any other schools, you should come up to 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.360 my school man and at lone with me, Like at 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.840 least four or five times I'm sitting there with Luke. 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:51.040 If you were the bottoms lou Lou Louia Jesse Evans Jesse. Uh. 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.080 That wasn't let me play both. That wasn't let me 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.920 play both man. Uh, And she just put it on 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.920 real thick man and man wrapped. Just I just got 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.040 is connection with rap man. I still have to the day. Yeah. 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.960 It was like for for a black man. For me, 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:11.080 sending a black man that's successful and powerful just just 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.400 did someth to men. Just it just like I just 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.960 wanted to play for a rap you know. So I 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.640 walking the keen speech, you know, it was it was 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:25.400 more than sports and basketball and like fracturing my ankle 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:27.240 my shin and you're in a football I missed like 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.200 six games. I kind of understood that, like sports wouldn't 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:35.200 be there forever, and that path for sports is night forever. 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.040 But you as a person is like better yourself as 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.920 a man, you know. And I just took to that, 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.600 and I just had to play for rap. Oh that's real. 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.320 I always wondered just kind of what's going on over 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.320 the sc how the inner workings worked. You know. Obviously 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.920 states were rivals at the time, and so it was 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.720 like you wasn't really concerned about nothing but beating these dudes, 0:15:55.800 --> 0:16:00.400 and you know, you hated these dudes and and I'm 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.920 one of the seven. I only one one again my 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.240 fresh moan would be the uh at the at the 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:10.120 sports and that ever since then donuts, Yeah I remember 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.040 Mark was that the one Mark boyd and Ed got 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.640 into it. Yeah yeah, and and just threw it to 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:21.800 the ground. And what I thought me personally my eyes, 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.000 I thought the man was the best high super basketball 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.000 player I ever sing. Oh man, I can go on 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.440 and on about it. First time I saw Ed, I 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.240 was in the eighth grade. Dog. I walked in the 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.280 gym and you know, he's taken off from the dieting 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.760 on somebody and just I'm just like, who is this guy? 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.400 And I came home and told my dad, man Ed Obannon, 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:39.920 man Ed Obannon, Yeah, I've seen that, like an au 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:45.160 gag was like him, Tracy Murray, uh Butler, Yeah, a game. 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.120 I'm like, I'm glad I played football because like I 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.520 could never be this good like they was like like 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.240 they was out there like like like professor was in 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:56.680 high school. Really yeah, it was crazy. So when you 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:00.240 started off and you came in as a as a wing, 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.000 right as just a straight up wing. By the time 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:04.959 you were a senior, man, I remember you being at 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:09.600 the one. How did that process of development go for 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.040 you at SC as far as just coming in at 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:13.720 a certain position, and then when you have a chance 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.680 to be a professional, you had a coach that put 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.160 you in a position. I think he felt like would 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.560 be your best position as a pro right because you know, 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.560 him may put me at the one, and uh, everybody, 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:27.720 you know, he has a lot of basketball knowledge, but 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.159 people probably don't know no no about him a lot, 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:32.280 but he has a lot. He's one of every level 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.680 of college player for john Wood and uh CBA Championship, 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:37.840 the NBA Championship, so he has a lot, a lot 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:39.840 of knowledge. He thought that that would be the best 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.159 position that I feel, like further my basketball world and 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.800 what she was like. So as I graduated, like so 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.600 I left that seat. Everybody thought it was a point guard. 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.359 It was like youtubo literally to play, you know, to win, 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.840 you know how it is a lady united position, especially 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.119 back then, especially back then, especially back then. Now anybody 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.959 to get away right now because everybody's pretty mu us freelancing, 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.879 you know, I mean, it's not really positions right now. 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:09.160 So yeah, but it was a little struggle at first 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.359 to play my first like six or seven games playing 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.080 with baby because he's the man a lot from the one. 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.160 It's a different game from up top looking down there 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:18.040 rather getting it, you know what I mean. You know 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.320 people don't understand the angle the views on the court. 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.520 Now you're looking at a whole another viewer, dudes on 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.480 either side, except you know before you had other dudes 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.359 on that side. It made life a little bit easier. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.000 But you did a hell of a job Man, first team, 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.119 All packed ten. Kind of learning that new position just 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.240 was the testament. I mean, you're one of the toughest 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.000 dudes that we we had to play against. We always 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.000 you know, it's like, oh ship, we got station them, 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:42.480 and you know, you had to bring your a game. 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:44.280 You had to come with all your good stuff or 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.120 you know, you was getting ripped and you might get 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.000 banged on. You know, something that happened that was gonna 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.760 be embarrassing. Hey, when you look back on your time 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.200 at s C Man and all the ups and downs, 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.399 and you know, everything that was good and everything that 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:00.600 was bad, do you think that it was you stayed 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:02.600 too close to home to go to college. Do you 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.119 think you would have been better off somewhere else or 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.480 do you think that s C. It was all good 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.920 for you to be in that C. It was it 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.359 was honestly thinking personally, to be real with you, I 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:15.560 think I said the one way college because I've been 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.720 a little bit more focused because I've seen my first 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.840 year I moved back home, like so I'll be I'll 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:22.760 be playing the games and I'm right to the hood, 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:25.639 you know what I mean. So like I didn't really 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.680 really so it wasn't no, It wasn't no. Like the 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:30.440 first time I've seen real work was when I was 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:39.159 with you. It's just not before the Chris crazy like 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.359 I was getting it and so I was like, so 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.000 after that, That's when I've developed my work after that. Actually, 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:47.440 But if I live in a way to school, I 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:49.480 think I've been a little bit more focused on as 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:51.440