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Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris john Silli and Chris

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Speaker 1: is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and

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Speaker 1: entertainment in the strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now

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Speaker 1: too in to kJ Live. Happy New Year, everybody. Today's

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Speaker 1: guests on the show is a California icon who's arguably

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Speaker 1: the greatest athlete all around athletes ever race the field

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Speaker 1: for the court simultageous late okay, in the state of California.

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Speaker 1: It was all packed ted in basketball at the University

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Speaker 1: of Southern California. Let's welcome in the boss, Stays bows Man.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Stays? How's it going there? Man? Yes, same

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Speaker 1: here brother. Man, it's been so long. Man, you're like

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Speaker 1: one of the most like just low key dudes. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, nobody can find you on social media. You know,

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Speaker 1: nobody like asked where Stacey is that? Man? Like he's

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Speaker 1: on Facebook? That's it? What's up with that? Man? Why

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Speaker 1: are you something little key dun Oh? Man? You know,

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Speaker 1: I guess you are who you are. I've always been

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Speaker 1: like that. Man. I try to keep a little profile.

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Speaker 1: I try to staft the way just it's easier. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure, man, for sure. Man. One of the things

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Speaker 1: I wanted to do today, brother's kind of just talk

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Speaker 1: about your journey through athletics. Man. You you come out

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Speaker 1: of a part of the country, man that has produced

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Speaker 1: some of the greatest athletes to ever play, uh yourself

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Speaker 1: included talk about your upbringing. Man. Where were you born

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Speaker 1: with city, what neighborhood, and what influence did that uh

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Speaker 1: neighborhood have on your growing up? I was born uh

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Speaker 1: you know Marston Nazi seny four. I was actually born

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Speaker 1: in the city of Corver City. I was actually born

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Speaker 1: in Corver City. And uh, but I resided on Like

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Speaker 1: you said, who burn eighty four? And I can't believe

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Speaker 1: you found that man? And uh that's actually man over

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Speaker 1: there is like like was that was like one the

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Speaker 1: time like when like like a cracking and and games

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Speaker 1: kind of like just kind of like kicked in, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, like like a flare. So like

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Speaker 1: every day it was like it was it was while

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Speaker 1: over there either it was breaking in the houses and

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Speaker 1: were fighting. But at some point we played throw up tackle.

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Speaker 1: We played football in the streets. I'm talking about tackle

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Speaker 1: on concrete. We're hitting cars. That's why that's why I

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Speaker 1: developed a love for football over there though. I always

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Speaker 1: wanted to be like Lin Swan, who was who was

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Speaker 1: my childhood ado, and I just took it from there.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying it was at the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: crack era. But you're in the street playing football. Just

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Speaker 1: talk about like what a day would look like. Man,

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Speaker 1: you're coming from school, Man, dudes is on the corner.

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Speaker 1: You had temptations there you I mean, dude slanking. You're

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Speaker 1: seeing this stuff like and you're really seeing it, Like

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Speaker 1: you might be walking down the street in the Allen

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Speaker 1: and you've seeing some guy over there getting right, you know,

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Speaker 1: hitting the hype, are doing whatever you're doing. Just we

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Speaker 1: were we had so much energy, I think, like we

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Speaker 1: couldn't say still. So we was either like for real

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Speaker 1: like rocket cars, uh, school, sleeping at people's windows. But

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Speaker 1: at some point we always find time for football and

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Speaker 1: football and knowing that at some point throughout the day

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Speaker 1: that I was gonna play football kept me on the

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Speaker 1: right path. And man, I can't imagine what them games

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Speaker 1: in the street must have looked like. Man, because you

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Speaker 1: think of the cars, so you got to dodge the

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Speaker 1: that's man, there's no We got cats out there like

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Speaker 1: nine and cats out there like like fourteen. So that's real.

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Speaker 1: It was wild man on the east side of the

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Speaker 1: east Side. This is a cut over there, man. But

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Speaker 1: thank god. You know, Mom's got a different kind of job.

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Speaker 1: She was came a No On one operator. So we

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Speaker 1: moved to the city of Englewood, and that's why I

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Speaker 1: started playing organized ball. How how old were you when

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Speaker 1: you moved to the wood most of the wood? I

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Speaker 1: was eight years old? Okay, and you you played? But

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Speaker 1: where did you start off with parking? What Rex Centers,

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Speaker 1: the legendary Derby Park. Yeah, yeah, I went up there.

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Speaker 1: and Cash is going to sign up for football. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: So I run home, grab mom's litter or somebody. Yes, free,

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Speaker 1: come sign me. Yeah. Yeah, we get there. It's like

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Speaker 1: like you know, Carson and all these other type of

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Speaker 1: playing at Sportsman's Part, which Jesse Owens Park, so he

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Speaker 1: why I played basketball at Sportsman. I played Jesse Part. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: at Jesse, I wasn't kind of I wasn't nice enough

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Speaker 1: wanted Jesse. It just kind of more rough and rugged.

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Speaker 1: So you know, that's what we worked with me. But

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Speaker 1: were there any other cats? Were there any other cats?

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Speaker 1: Like you know, guys, we may know that you came

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Speaker 1: Lindsley Hunt. It was so many there's so many guys

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Speaker 1: That's real. That's real. And so you're doing the football thing,

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Speaker 1: mornings at our Inglewood with the war Online Elementary? Okay,

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Speaker 1: And now was there a difference as far as the

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Speaker 1: adjustment process as far as being from uh, growing up

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Speaker 1: how he was getting it. You know. It was kind

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Speaker 1: and then immersing themselves in that is that Does that

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Speaker 1: I did described to a tea And people probably didn't

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Speaker 1: know that about me, But I was all flamboyant, but

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Speaker 1: I was just the opposite, you know, so concentrating on

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Speaker 1: the sport and actually, uh, you know, meeting dominicu Ellis

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Speaker 1: out a lot. Yeah. How old were you when you

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Speaker 1: were dime met man? Uh? Ten eleven? Wow? Two or something?

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Speaker 1: Got into the wood by teen eleven, that's right, that's right, man,

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Speaker 1: because you guys, you guys had that that you guys

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Speaker 1: had a couple of movies done on your hard hardwood

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Speaker 1: dreams and they followed you guys from Pretty young Man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well they followed us Hardwood Dreams, the first one. They

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Speaker 1: followed us a whole senior in high school. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: but it was like every day though. It was like

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Speaker 1: you know, about your house, you know, Friday, like camera like, hey,

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Speaker 1: what you're doing? It not count? How did you? How

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Speaker 1: did you adjust to that? Man? You know, you ego

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Speaker 1: what you decided to go to Morningside and now you

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Speaker 1: you adjust to that? I really didn't because for me,

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Speaker 1: I never wanted to do it because this at that point,

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Speaker 1: And it just made it the show everywhere you went,

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Speaker 1: and pressure on you that that I didn't I didn't want,

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Speaker 1: I also think, man, it's it was at a time

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Speaker 1: it shared the light of a lot of things, man,

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Speaker 1: But I think you guys, man, you guys had a

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Speaker 1: you know, you guys had a hell of a run. Man.

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Speaker 1: the country. What it was most memorable about that senior year,

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Speaker 1: are on. Man. Uh, probably when we played our teaser man. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know you you with my career, I don't did

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Speaker 1: a couple of game winners. You don't hit You're like,

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Speaker 1: you're hitting game winners every game, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So it was a big game of big stage and uh,

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Speaker 1: I hit a three to win the game, and that

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Speaker 1: as far as basketball. Wait, I think I remember hearing

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Speaker 1: about that. You wait, that's the way you like. Then

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Speaker 1: you get the rebound and dribble it out and sudd

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Speaker 1: I guess I was just nervous, don't keep it real.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why d over out because I could

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Speaker 1: just put it right back in. Yeah yeah, but let

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Speaker 1: it fly. And it was game and I was That's

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Speaker 1: sometimes such stuff taking over and you just don't know

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Speaker 1: what you and just happened, you know, Yeah? Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I mean I shot I hit a finger roll from

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Speaker 1: about fifteen feet out the sports arena against my other day. Man,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I was doing. I just I

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Speaker 1: just threw it up. I just do that thing up,

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Speaker 1: same exact type of scenario. It was like. When I

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Speaker 1: But I got one question for you, man. I always

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Speaker 1: go for a fifty ball in college? Oh man, it

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Speaker 1: the same time. It was like I went to the

426
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Speaker 1: Raids camp right and two days in, like three days

427
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 1: into that, the we Jack camp started, so I had

428
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,959
Speaker 1: to leave a day early. So they I was supposed

429
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 1: to leave. They they came to me that morning and

430
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: woke me up because I mean the meeting room and

431
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 1: mind me. All this business stuff to me is is

432
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 1: different man, because I'm I was like, I just want

433
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 1: to hoop, but playball. I didn't understand this part of

434
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 1: the game, you know. So they're telling me right there,

435
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 1: and now they offer me to be on the practice squad.

436
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 1: I think Pratt was eating like a hundred SENTI five

437
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 1: thousand a year or something like that. I had to like,

438
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm I'm my flight leaving tomorrow morning.

439
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 1: I'm going to Chicago. I want to see. I had

440
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: to put all that work in the basketball just to

441
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 1: not like give it a like I thought. I thought

442
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 1: I'd be quitting personally, and that's not what it was about.

443
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 1: Any kind of about to do over. I probably would

444
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: have signed that letter of right there the practor squad,

445
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: they'll either signed with us or we'll do what you do.

446
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 1: So I called my agent, and my agent I couldn't

447
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 1: get to him. I'm like, I ain'tn't want to do that, man.

448
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta gonna least see if I could

449
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: make it or not. You know what, I mean, yeah,

450
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 1: I made that decision, and so you actually but you

451
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: actually went through like a mini camp with the Raiders

452
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 1: where you you actually were playing like dB or safety

453
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: and from the man corner, which was from the left corner.

454
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: And I went out there for like, I loove there

455
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: for like five days. They had drafted that's to you,

456
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: the drafted up my boy one wrestling piece, Darrell Russell

457
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 1: de Russ, the drafted the number one was gonna plan together. Actually,

458
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 1: uh he was like he actually looked off from me. Man,

459
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: I love man the rush used to be because that's

460
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: Jelani McCoy's best friend. So he De Russ used to

461
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: be in U c. L A messing with us all

462
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 1: the time. Russ state look states. I gotta tell you this,

463
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: the Russ De Russ saved my life one time. Man.

464
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 1: I was over here, that's c messing with y'all with

465
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: the football dudes or whatever. Man, but I was messing

466
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: with it. Was like Willie McGinnis, a bunch of other

467
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: than big big old day Royn Harris looking dudes just

468
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 1: walking around big d man. So I almost got into

469
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: it with Willie over there, and Daryl was like, had

470
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: to save me. That I looked back at it now,

471
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: like man, I've been that. It was about to get

472
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: I was about to get up. Gilani was even like, Yo,

473
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: you're tripping dog. I would I couldn't. I couldn't have

474
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: your back that day. kJ He was like, yo, there

475
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: was about when we did them, news was there was

476
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 1: no was no joke. And I learned that. I learned

477
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: after that, like hold on, man, but no, man, that's

478
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: that's dope. But staying with that Raiders thing. Al David's

479
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: hit you up, didn't. Yeah, Man, he want contacted me

480
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: and offered me to come down there, and I was like,

481
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: I hold up the first time because my homies to

482
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: be playing and stuff. I'm like, man, stop playing. You

483
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: thought if somebody else like come in my line with

484
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: that man? So and then I meant to do that.

485
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: The uh when I made him at the facilities, Oh my,

486
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: like me god, man, like I've never been a person

487
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: and his presence was like this presence was like yes,

488
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: hunting like people was like pretty much stuff. But I've

489
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: never seen it like that. Man. I've been around a

490
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: lot of them. I've been a Maddick Johnson. I've been

491
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: around a lot of like a lot of seen the

492
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: presence like that before over my life. It was kind

493
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: of intimidating. I'm not evenna lie and you had and

494
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: you had to tell them, no, man, you walk away

495
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: and you think that becauseid me if your first love

496
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: my thing is gott it, if your first love is football. Yeah,

497
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: and you know you had the tools and the talent.

498
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: How do you, I guess reconcile saying you know, I

499
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: know to the Raiders and then going to Chicago for

500
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: the pre draft camp. You know, I came back to

501
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: my senior year and I really hurt my ankle, like

502
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: I just cut up one time, and to cut up

503
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: and I just broke it, man, And I'm just like

504
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: six seven games man pretty much in the end, I

505
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: just I just always wrote it back to that. But

506
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: I had and I don't have nobody really in my

507
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: ear telling me like how you probably have pops, like

508
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: you need to work to drible step back here, and no, son,

509
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: you ain't. I started young. I'm gon to get it

510
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: off right there. What I mean, I don't really had that, man,

511
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's important. That's important, too much, a good

512
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: educated decision. I didn't. I didn't have that. And you

513
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 1: you had worked so hard, man, you put all your

514
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: eggs into the basketball basket. You know you don't. You

515
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of tape on football since high

516
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: school for the NFL, So I mean it's sort of

517
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: like I can I mean, although you do have an

518
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: opportunity to raiders and I guess who's the coach like

519
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: Bill Callahan and somebody. I could sense I could see

520
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: you being like, you know, uh, down two picks. I mean,

521
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: the zone part of it was kind of messing up

522
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: a little bit because in the league, you understand cat

523
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: might cross your face and you got a hand the mall,

524
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: but you can't leave to your handym mall. You still

525
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: responsible for your zone. Yea, it was. It was different

526
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: with the zone part of that. That that breaks up

527
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: a good point I want to tell me about just

528
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: as a hooper, I'm just curious about this, like the

529
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: ins and out, so like your playbook and football, like

530
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: how much how long do you guys spend learning that

531
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: stuff compared to like a basketball playbook batball? If you

532
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: have a little meeting, watch a little film for maybe

533
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. Who you got you the little thing? You

534
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: look like? Okay, this guy do this was that in

535
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: football practice started at too. We're in the classroom at nine.

536
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: We're in there from nine to twelve. Damn in the classroom.

537
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: It's a real classroom. It's like we got chalked back

538
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: back in our day. But you know it's like like

539
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: we really like we really it was. It was really.

540
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot just

541
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: to get to the fields. When we'll do that for

542
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: three hours, we're gonna eat. From then we go eat,

543
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: we'll come back and do the little treatment. Do you

544
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: hit to feel that two o'clock. So that's a day.

545
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: It's a day. It's a real day. And and the

546
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: good ones day long after the two o'clock we go

547
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: from two to four cats it the weight room. Yeah,

548
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: that's what I'm man. And then some do. So that's

549
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: what they talked about when they said, guys spend all

550
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: day in the facility, like all day with football is

551
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: not a game. You are a football player. So when

552
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: they get pissed, when they get that kind of got

553
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: into the basketball. The basketball is a little bit more player,

554
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, when they get piste off at guys like

555
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, JaMarcus Russell for instance, back in the day.

556
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: He probably was getting out of there at about two.

557
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: Wasn't putting no extra time and wouldn't putting no extra work.

558
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: And it sounds like football, that's important. You gotta do

559
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: that because that you're gonna be a better player off

560
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: that study. Yes you might not even be better, but

561
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: just to like, yeah, but it's in the terminology and

562
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: all that stuff. You gotta be. You got to be

563
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: in that class room. That's real. Eric Turner, Man, Eric

564
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: Turner was like burping me, Dudell close, you got to

565
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: sleep third. I'm like, thank you, because I wouldn't. It

566
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: was all foreign to me. You know. Eric Turners in

567
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: the Great Rest of Peace, the Great Safety out of

568
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: u c L A number two pick in the draft.

569
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 1: I remember he was one of the first real US

570
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: football dudes growing up. I was like, oh, he clean.

571
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: He wasn't play yeah brown, he was live. He comes

572
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: back in the summer, you know, chains and business. I'd

573
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: be like, who that Eric Turner? That Eric turn He

574
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: was so cool though, man, he was like so cool. Man,

575
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: he was he was cool. Yeah, So tell me about Chicago, man,

576
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,239
Speaker 1: who who was who was there in the pre draft? Man?

577
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: This is you know you're all your eggs are in

578
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: this basket. Man, who was there? Who would compete against?

579
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: And funnything you're gonna laugh about this man, because we did.

580
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: We was five now and we actually want the whole thing.

581
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: But guess guess it was my black corporate When it

582
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: was Sham guy, it was me and Sham got out.

583
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: We played in. I'm like, yeah, you have coming to

584
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: get that right. You worked him in relationships, man, that's sick.

585
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: Same guy. Okay, y'all turned it off. It was it

586
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: was me him and uh uh. Jenfry was our coach.

587
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: Man was a rude dude. Man, he was. That's why

588
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: I knew guy. Assistant coaches in the league's are really knowledgeable.

589
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: In the head coach, they really pretty much running the team. Yeah,

590
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: you know, the head coach is doing a game and

591
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: all that, but the assistant coach is putting a lot

592
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: of work in. Uh. I have I respect with Jenry

593
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: after that camp. But it was fun though. Man. That

594
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: was That was a year. I think Tim Duncan went

595
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: number one that year and the jocking them came up there,

596
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: but they didn't play the top chains or whatever. So

597
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: it was him. Man, It was a lot of pressure

598
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: because they're right there, like I'm talking about you shoot

599
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: the jake, They're right here. Yeah, they're like, you know,

600
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: like they want to know how it is. Man. They

601
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: own it man. So and when when you perform or play,

602
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, in scenarios like that man with a lot

603
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: of pressure, a lot of eyeballs on you. Man, well,

604
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: how does it like how do you respond? Like what

605
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: do you are you getting nervous and then kind of

606
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: find your groove or do you kind of come out

607
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: from jump Street and just you already locked in. I'm

608
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: already locked in because I think it's like like i'd

609
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: be like competing against the Scotch, like it's me against you,

610
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: Like I tweaked my mind like y'all don't like me,

611
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna prove myself to make y'all like me. So

612
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: it's like I kind of give myself an ass just

613
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: saying they did something to me. Are they don't like me?

614
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: Or I just give myself sometimes because me personally, I

615
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: had to play angry. Yeah. I mean, if I'm sitting

616
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: out there, I'm just jolly jagging and is cool, it's

617
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: not gonna be good for me. So I just kind

618
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: of tweaked my mind to make to make up some

619
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: kind of some kind of foundation that they don't like me. No,

620
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 1: I mean that's it's actually something. I don't think it's

621
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: done enough in today's athlete. I think you know, in

622
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: our generation, we played a lot more angry. There's a

623
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: lot different inspirations and motivation for why we performed on

624
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: the court, why we went hard. You know, it was

625
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 1: like some weird stuff going over. We were motivated by

626
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: different stuff. And it's a trip. It's a trip to

627
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: see today's generation. And let me segue really quickly because

628
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: I got you here and Morningside guy, earlier this year,

629
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: Inglewood beat Morningside in football like a hundred to nothing.

630
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: I think you might have heard about that and saw that.

631
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: You think about what you think about that? Man? What

632
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: do you think that was too much? Or because it's

633
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: a rivalry and because because you know about the Inglewood

634
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: Morningside rival did you expect something like that to happen?

635
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: Me personally, I was it was bananas. It was crazy

636
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: to me that somebody would like it had a hundred

637
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: some points whatever the high school football game. I'm like,

638
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: what were we over there doing? We did we even

639
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: got eleven players, and that's that's what I think. But

640
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: on the on the flip of that, it's like I

641
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: have no remorse for nobody's not with me competing. Like

642
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: if I was a coach and I could beat you

643
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: by two hundred, I'll just scored two hundred the hundred

644
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: some points. I gotta stop him. I don't know. I

645
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: think English could have scored more points with they could have. Yeah,

646
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: I would have. Yeah, I'm trying. I'll score. I'm trying

647
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: toco a father. I don't know you. I don't care

648
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: about none of your feelings, none of that. No, man's

649
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: sports is an extra thing. You don't have to play it. Yeah. Yeah,

650
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: I like that viewpoint, man. But it just shows that

651
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: it's a shift now in the thinking. It's like we

652
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: gotta stall people out. If I'm better than you, I

653
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: gotta stall you out. Yeah that's what they are. I'm trying.

654
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to take your heart, eat your lunch, all that,

655
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna need it tomorrow too. So every

656
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: day of the week. Yeah. So, I mean sports is

657
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: as far as the competition, it is a little different now.

658
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: There's a little bit more sportsmanship, and though I get

659
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: it personally, I had I was told opposite of that.

660
00:31:53,920 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: I didn't have no before you after Chicago you got

661
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: an invite or or I believe that was the order

662
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: you got Summer League with the Rockets or how did

663
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: how did that work? But uh, after after after that,

664
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: I actually wouldn't play the C B A A. I

665
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: came back that that's when the Rockets invited me to

666
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: the to the camp. How was that experience inviting me

667
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: the summlar You know, I summlarly here they buy like

668
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: fifty people, but they only got one, like one or

669
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: two looking at it. Yeah, it's like twenty dudes here,

670
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, some dudes here on favor,

671
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: some dudes here. I got there kind of because of

672
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: my agent a little bit. And then Roger Rose was

673
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: actually there anyway because they had drafted Rodger Rose in

674
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: the first round the Uh so he was actually what

675
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: the us when I was working out with him. So

676
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 1: I want to I want to play summingly one of them.

677
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: And I did pretty well man, And they, uh they

678
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: were surprised and said were gonna write them back in

679
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: the mint. The Vestan's camp that was the Vettor camptaing.

680
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: Uh I actually started one game because uh so do

681
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: Atlanta from Georgia. Last name was Anderson. His mom had

682
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: passed awaye oh wow, and uh she went to the

683
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: doctors for ordinary check up, man, and they did something

684
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: some reaction and she passed away when she wrest from Clisia.

685
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: And that was that was the time there was love

686
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: to bring. That was away. That was the time. That

687
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: was just my son. That was time there was love

688
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: to bring. Uho Mabby off the bench. They started me,

689
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I had like thirteen points again, man,

690
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: I played pretty well. Man who so it was so

691
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: that was around the era and Cochino and uh Walk

692
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: Williams and the weir. Yeah that all because my dog

693
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:50,239
Speaker 1: and uh Steve Francs was there, Mouchie Norris. Wow that's

694
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: a nice little crew. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that was

695
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: a nice little Yeah. It was some good dudes too, man.

696
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: That it was like, that's the first time I've been

697
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: around the star stet of people who didn't act like

698
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: that and that like normal kind of cats, you know

699
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: what I mean in the league. Catch me, yeah, big

700
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: guy a little you you know. It was real cool, man,

701
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: that was real cool. That's dope, man, that's dope. That

702
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: with Houston. You you played a couple of preseason games

703
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: and go through training camper and then they ended up

704
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: releasing you the best practice and they tell me the

705
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: whole time, I don't keep me. Yeah, man, what's you're

706
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: going around looking for apartments for me? I'm because, like

707
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: I went to camp. I'm like, okay, it's like and

708
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: they do the hats that you make these kind of things.

709
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm not prepared my mind. I'm not gonna make it, okay.

710
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: I mean I want to fall hard. I'm gonna go hard.

711
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: That's just I go. But they tell me the whole time,

712
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep you for dim uh got my uh.

713
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: I got half of my contract for the year for

714
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: that year they had to do that. Give me as practice.

715
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm talking about be as practice. I'm going to the

716
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: talk to you. I'm like some ice like na bro,

717
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: that's that's that's no longer your ice. Oh my god.

718
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: Rudy was real cool, man. Rudy and I forgot them

719
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: in the island, but really really was really cool about it. Man.

720
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: They talked talked about thirty minutes. Man, we teach Rudy

721
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: talk j okay, they're drinking that coffee and gin, and

722
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, Rudy Man really was cool. Man. They

723
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: WoT me down easy, but I took that kind of

724
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: hard man. Yeah. I went home and I posted the

725
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: right to play the Brand Rappers and I was like,

726
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: I'm cool, I'm going to the career. I'm home about

727
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: Monday number Yeah, and let's talk. Let's talk about those

728
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: moments because I had those kind of moments to my

729
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: playing career. Bro. When I got you know, i'll get

730
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: hurt or got cut from somewhere and I get back

731
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: home and I take me about a month and a

732
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: half to get out of it. And I'm and when

733
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: I and I used to you know what, we call

734
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: it dissipate. So I used to do things that weren't

735
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: necessarily good for me or my body. I'll pick up

736
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: fifty eight pounds. Now I'm drinking, I'm blowing, and I'm

737
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: doing all kind of extra stuff and you know, I'm

738
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: jeopardizing the drug test. Now when I go back, it's like,

739
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: you just be like, why is it, though, Why is

740
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: it that we get sold in a downward spiral? Man?

741
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: When we don't make it like in a cut situation

742
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: bro especially cuts, like, Man, you are first competitors, it's

743
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: hard to accept that you lose, Like that's actually what

744
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: you did, you know what I mean. So it's kind

745
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 1: of a hard thing to accept. Then you start throwing

746
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: a pretty party about yourself and they're like, wow, there

747
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: is this person, this coach is that. And then it's

748
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: about a you know, thirty days, a couple of weeks,

749
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: the real you come out, the dog come back. You're like,

750
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: hold up, man, I just gonna see and click about

751
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: your upbringing, your parents and what they're instilled in you.

752
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: You're your neighborhood. Then you get back to it, man,

753
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: you know, but it's not an easy transition, and and

754
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: and and everybody isn't going for no man, it's not

755
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: his cutthroat man, and us shadow your whole thing. I

756
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: mean talk about though, because we had a similar experience, man,

757
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: where the NBA draft and you know, I thought I

758
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: might have been a second round pick. You Tak Jazz

759
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: were talking about something. You know, I had a couple

760
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: of little fifty two fifty three, you know, towards the

761
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: end of the dreams as I was like, okay, I

762
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: might be up in there right right right, But you

763
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: don't hear your name called stas that moment, man, that

764
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: moment when you don't hear your name called, you know

765
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: the draft is over for that year. Just describe it, man,

766
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: Just describe the feeling. Bro Uh. I never experienced dying

767
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: or death for anything like that, but it's almost like

768
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: living like like you know, living death a little bit man,

769
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: because because because time stopped for you, because it's like boom,

770
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: not only my broke. I don't have a plan. I

771
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: don't know what I mean, like what's my next moves?

772
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: Like what I'm supposed to do now? So it's on

773
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: the shell, shocking it. You don't have no kind of direction.

774
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: Many people, thank god, thank god I had the age

775
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: and I had your own Stanley. Who who would work

776
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: with me and who would help me out? Who was

777
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: trying to find places to play and who you know,

778
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: if I was downing my love, who might throw me

779
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: a couple of dollars? You know? It was a really

780
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: good dude. Man. That's awesome, man. That's and people sometimes

781
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: they don't really understand Jerome Stanley, who was Keyshawan Johnson's

782
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: agents who signed cash Is Stanley uh got signed for

783
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: ten day, I think last week or two cashes in

784
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: the league playing. But people don't understand, um how important

785
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: it is to have an agent or somebody like that

786
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: in your corner. At those times, I had a guy

787
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: by the name of Jerome Henderson. I don't know if

788
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: you remember Big Roaning. He's big O O G O

789
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: G six leven O G wrong. Yeah dog. But hey,

790
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: but after I didn't get draft, he he was in

791
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: my head every day, man about working out, about getting

792
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: about taking any little job. He sent me to Russia.

793
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: He sent me to the RuSHA for like tan rax.

794
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: He sent me here for like fifteen and you know

795
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: he was just like, man, you just gotta go, get

796
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: on the plane. But just get on the plane. If

797
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: I if I gotta gig, just get on the plane.

798
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, what it did, stays was keeping me going,

799
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: and it kept me working and I had now I

800
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: had a light at the end of the tunnel, bro.

801
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: And I think that's the that's something that it's very

802
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: important when you were in a position like we were

803
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: in with trying to scratch and call and trying to

804
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: make it. I mean, look look at nowadays, man, these

805
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: guys signing these ten day contracts and guys that have

806
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: been out the league for two and three uh, two

807
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: and three years and that are just now getting back

808
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: in the reason that they're in a position to get

809
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: back in the league is because they didn't give up.

810
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: They didn't give up. It's because they kept in shape

811
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 1: and they kept borrowing. But but people don't get how

812
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: hard it is. Man. So I usually got a shape

813
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: so quick, man, and I didn't like, I didn't get

814
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: like it to be to get back in shape, man,

815
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: real shape. It's like why am I here killing? Like

816
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: why am I doing all this? And like what am

817
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: I doing it for? Yeah? No, it makes no sense

818
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: to you, and you're just doing it, Like what the

819
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: hell am I doing? But because one of them years, man,

820
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: I like, I'm like flicking. Man, I stopped working up

821
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: and went back to that seat. Yeah, three classes that semester.

822
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: Uh team and uh, the CBA called me a team

823
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: in Michigan called me, gave me a thousand a week

824
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: and some reason why I had completed a semester, passed

825
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: all my classes. I was going back to finising semester

826
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: semester and I left. I should have stayed finished my

827
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: school man, Man, that's so crazy because I'm in love

828
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: with that game so much. Man. I was like, yeah,

829
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: it's hard to say no, man, especially when you love it. Man,

830
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: it's hard to say no an opportunity. Man, It's like

831
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: it's like the great I treated all my opportunities like

832
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: if as if I was in the NBA, is if

833
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 1: this was the league? You know, you know you feel

834
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: me stays. It's like, I'm not tripping on where it

835
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: is and where it's that. I'm trying to go over

836
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: here and just dominated uh, where did you go though?

837
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: Where did you play after you got released from the

838
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: Hot Rockets training camp? Where did you end up? I

839
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: went to, uh, I'm going home for a minute, and

840
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: it was for Mars. I was like, you can't just

841
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: you can't be here. You gotta do something. I'm like,

842
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: so I want to Grand Rappers, Grand Rappers Michigan play

843
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: for the Grand Rappers. Whoops. Actually was a good professional

844
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: organization as far as the ship A check some time,

845
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: good departments we had to you gonna teams, Yeah about

846
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: check don't catch it to the morrow like, well you

847
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: talk what I was? I was a quant city that

848
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: happened to be one time. Isaiah Thomas and bought the

849
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: CBA when I was hest the league. So yeah. But

850
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: but but to his credit, the checks world on time.

851
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: We had to go to like tow there's two check

852
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: cashing places in town that we can go to. And

853
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: I go to one of these. You know, they take

854
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: their little fifteen dollars off my top, but I get

855
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: my brand. And for me, I was like you, like,

856
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: I just love a game. So wherever I'm at, it's

857
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: the league and I'm going and I'm maxing out. Yeah

858
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I'm treated like this league. I'm

859
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: not even have enough ball. Yeah, I'm getting paid to

860
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: do this and do this anyway. How long did that?

861
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: How long did that last for you in the cb A,

862
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: How long did you do the cb A thing? For that? Man?

863
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: I would I was for about my seven years. Man.

864
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: That was my like, that was my little situation. I

865
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: go this c b A okay and not gonna venezuela.

866
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, don't pick up me some maxition money and

867
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: then I'll try to get a cool job somewhere. Begin

868
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: know the next year, if I about to make the lead.

869
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: That was my whole thing. Yeah, yeah, you like a

870
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: lot of of us, that was our thing too. I

871
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: hate to see. I try to find somebody here. It

872
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: was it was because port member Puerto Rico, Venezuela. Go

873
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: get you somebody after the scene. It's lucky you twelve

874
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: months in a month and I mean it's vity so

875
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: it's out there the months. It's it's a nice place.

876
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: Were you in Caracas? Were you know this? Man? How

877
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: was it? How was it? It was crazy, man, because

878
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: as well as not like one of the places you

879
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: just go and just be walking around. Now, it's real

880
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: property over there. It's it's it's real property. Its sad sometimes,

881
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: o man, you got this. It's a dog infestation over there,

882
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: like a gang of dogs running a run as well.

883
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: But I had about guard so it was cool. But

884
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: that's real. But being from l a man, being from

885
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: from from the hood in l A. When you go

886
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: to a place like Venezuela and you see that type

887
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: of that next level I want to say next level poverty,

888
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's I've seen it's the next

889
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: level of poverty. I've seen some stuff where it's like

890
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: damgn I ain't never seen a ship like this back

891
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: in the mouth. What what would be your perspective? How

892
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: did that change or affect you as as a person

893
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: in your perspective on the world. Oh, it just it

894
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: made me appreciate who I was and the things I

895
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: had a little more. Man, it made me appreciate, appreciate

896
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: it have been actually been an American, because you know,

897
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: I've been a black man in America is not always

898
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: the thing to be or it's not always gravy. So

899
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: it just it just gave me a new a new

900
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: foundation of being American and loving who I am and

901
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: where I come from. Because I'm like, wow, it was

902
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: like something like some days I'll be walking to my room. Man,

903
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: I bought a couple of chickens. Man, I was giving

904
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: them out to people, man, because people was really sitting

905
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: there like drinking from the from the uh from the street.

906
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: It was. It was it was like it's bad, man,

907
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: It's bad. It's real bad. Yeah. No, man, that's deep.

908
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: And so you do Venezuela and the c b A

909
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: for about seven years. How what point in your career

910
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: did I give you that call? Man? And when when

911
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: I tried to when I asked you to come to

912
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: the Qatar, oh know, and I was like I was like,

913
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: bug about that. I'm like Christian, I'm just stopping you

914
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: might get down. Are you talking about? Wait? Why are

915
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: you so burnt down? Why why are you so down?

916
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that. We was just something something.

917
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: I was like, no, you can't compete harder than me, Yes,

918
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: I can. And just I was like, so, like, knowld on,

919
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: let me see what's ups. I'll never walk away with

920
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: money and at leastee, what's up? So I hit you back.

921
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: You're like words like so they're giving me sixteen or

922
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: eighteen just to come. I'm like stopping man in the

923
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: middleways balled over there, like stopping, bro, I get over there, man,

924
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: you over the I'm like, oh quit, you're here and

925
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: the cut getting it up. It was a nice situation.

926
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: It was a nice situation. It was hot as hell,

927
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 1: but money and a lifestyle. Man. I was in Dubai. Yeah,

928
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: we was in Dubai early before. It was like trading cap.

929
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: It was for the whole month. We was there for

930
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: like a month. They were there chilling for like a month.

931
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: I was a little jealous of you, Alaser spirit and

932
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: that team, and the team was like we sure did

933
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: I still jump out the gym. I forgot his name,

934
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: but y'all seen, you're seen. Was like, man, yeah, he

935
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: just retired. He just retired. People like Stringy Long talking

936
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: about just retired. Just retired like two years ago to

937
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: three years ago. He just retired. Man, he was amazing.

938
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,479
Speaker 1: He wanted They want another championship with Todd Day. Todd

939
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: Day came over there after me and you like they

940
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: brought Todd Day over there. They want another one. They

941
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: want another one in the two thousand and five and

942
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: they're like the big three on three champions So Qutar

943
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: is now the like the top three on three and Asian. Yeah. Man, yeah,

944
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: the basketball just kind of like they ain't want them

945
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: before we won one, right, No, man, they hadn't won anything.

946
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: I think the best finish was the year before. Man,

947
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: we made it to the championship. But man, that year

948
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: two thousand one, Man, I tell you what, Man, that

949
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: team when when I when you joined the crew, man,

950
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: it just took us to a hold of the type

951
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: of level. Um. It was definitely they say that that

952
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: was like the best team that they ever had over

953
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: there with the team with men you we were sitting

954
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: but I can do there was like sixt six. We

955
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: had a real because now then we could play in

956
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: our our normal positions at the time. So now you

957
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about doing too much over here

958
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: trying to grab boards. We cant like lock dudes up, Dude,

959
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: I can come off the screen and just come off

960
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: this pick like one of the best professional experience I had.

961
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,479
Speaker 1: Like like I went over there to a good team.

962
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: I got to play my role, fifteen same points, play

963
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: great defense, get the shooters to score. It was. It

964
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: was a utiful thing, man, like forty like thirty days

965
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: or something like that. Oh beautiful thing. I'm forget about. Man.

966
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: I never told you thank you for that, man, to

967
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: slep you for that. It's all good. Thank you brother,

968
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: Thank you brother. I always wanted to talk to you

969
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: about that. Man. So then after Qatar, Man, after Qatar,

970
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,959
Speaker 1: you come back to America, what did you get into

971
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: you at that point, I think, Qatar, I'm still I'm

972
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: still playing, like I'm still doing the same thing. Man.

973
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: I did that same I did that same scenario. It

974
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: so I retired, man, And when did you retire? What

975
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: did you shut it down? I don't even remember. I was.

976
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: I was in a cb A playing for the plan

977
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: for Minnesota. Mayhem. Uh. I went to close on on

978
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: this dude right in the corn and the dude blue

979
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: by me. I'm like thirty four to dude blue by me? Right?

980
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: He do with my little check I normally dudes they

981
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: call that because now because you can't hear, you can't check.

982
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: Lu was no more right, man, dude was just like

983
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: getting blind me, like with the ease man talking to

984
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: me crazy. You know I'm not to talk and ship.

985
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, I looked up. I was

986
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: on the bench. Now I'm sweating. Man. I looked around.

987
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: I said it's time and like once I can't compete

988
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: and stop dudes like I wanted to. It was. It

989
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: was it was time to go, man, because man, people

990
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: saying my whole thing, like I came to the gym.

991
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, who supposed to be the superstar? Okay, I

992
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: need that. You are getting nothing today? Right? If you

993
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: get something's gonna because I slipped up or you. I

994
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: don't know what happened. You shouldn't have got that. Like

995
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: that was my whole thing, come to the gym and

996
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: I didn't do that. No more saying you don't even

997
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: want to play if you can't do that you know,

998
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: you don't want to be out there no more. Want

999
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: to be out there was over and after you retired, Like,

1000
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: what did you get into did you? How was the

1001
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: adjustment I guess into being in the real world, because bro,

1002
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: that is one of the I talked about it all

1003
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: the time with all all my guys. Man, just that transition,

1004
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: because because look, unless you transition, this is my theory stage,

1005
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: unless you transition into basketball related career right directly where

1006
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: you can use the skill set that you gained the

1007
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: last twenty something years, then everything else is gonna be

1008
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: a little tricky. Listen. It was like I was just

1009
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: not being born, damn you know. I mean it was

1010
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: like I was so self shock man. I'm talking about

1011
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm like anybody doing nothing for you, Like nobody give

1012
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: a gamble no more. It was like it was like

1013
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: self shocking, man. It was like really shelf shocking. Man.

1014
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: I struggled, man for a minute, for a minute, man,

1015
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: I actually got to some trouble and up being incarcerated

1016
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: for like a year, like a year some change, uh,

1017
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 1: And I got out of jail. Man, my mom had passed.

1018
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: My mom passed. It Just people understand for me that

1019
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: was my whole world. Man. I was I was just

1020
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: my that was my heartbeat, and her passion kind of

1021
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: just like I don't know, it's just kind of like

1022
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: matured me and woke me up. Man. I went back

1023
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: to school for jobs. I took the money she left me,

1024
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 1: and I moved to Minnesota. Get him to my Uh.

1025
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: My kid was out here about the nine was out

1026
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: here about a little house and talking about here. You know,

1027
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: it's dirt cheap to get something out here. So and

1028
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: then I started working as a counselor at UH this

1029
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: place called a learning center. And so as a counselor,

1030
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: you work with UH kids all the time, of all ages,

1031
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: of all social economic backgrounds or how does that work?

1032
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: From school? It's like, it's not we have them back

1033
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 1: at home. We called them SCROP. It's like an alternative

1034
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: high school for kids that you know, lacking their credits,

1035
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: are maybe a little older because we had couple kids

1036
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you knows old just graduating, which is

1037
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: a great thing. And they stuck with it. So it's

1038
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: it's it's a school like that, man, And people think

1039
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: things a bad school for bad kids, but it's not.

1040
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: It's just for kids. It was a little extra help.

1041
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: You look, actually helping got a lot of potential if

1042
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: they if they get that help and they can't, got

1043
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: a lot of potential. And yeah, and I was kind

1044
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 1: of mad at myself and I stereotyping before I got there. Yeah,

1045
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: I didn't start learning. I'm like, oh, I was just

1046
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: as bad as other people staying type my bad Like,

1047
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, not bad at all. I just misunderstood. Now

1048
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: that's dope that that you you know, are dedicated to

1049
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: your purpose, now to giving back man and help him

1050
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: change lives. Brother, I wanted to ask you about with

1051
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: you being in Minnesota, uh, you know the George Floyd trial,

1052
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: the whole situation up there, Man, what was it like?

1053
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: You see, you're if you're from l A. So you've

1054
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: seen the riots. You was there with Rodney King, So

1055
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: you know Rodney Kings. And that's what I'm sounds like

1056
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm in I'm in the paint. That's what I'm saying.

1057
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: Everybody else, I'm getting it. So what we were using protesting,

1058
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: we was looking it was you was out to go

1059
00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: get something. It wasn't no ye wash. This one is

1060
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: a little bit more, a little bit more political and

1061
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: hit it hit home a little different because I was

1062
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: I was I'm grown man, and I was a black man.

1063
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: And to see uh black man broad day, like get

1064
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: strangled to death in the middle in the street. It's

1065
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: just like it's just something I'll never forget. Man, Like

1066
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: that image and something like somebody say George Floyd, I

1067
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: just think of him being strangled with death right there

1068
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: on that street corner and it was just bananas. Man.

1069
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: I applaud all the young people in Minnesota because that

1070
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: was the majority of the people who was protesting, and

1071
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: that was really protesting. That wasn't a lotting, It wasn't

1072
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: trying to come up. It was actually really protesting for

1073
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: a cause, and it was it was, it was. It

1074
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: was an amazing thing to see. But also now I

1075
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: look back on it, like right now, like there's nothing

1076
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: that's changed. Yeah, kind of angry, but you still don't

1077
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: want to give up the fight, but it makes you

1078
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: kind of ain't. But being a father of three, obviously

1079
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: your father and you're raising kids that are gonna be

1080
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: the leaders of the next generation, what type of message

1081
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: do you tell them as a father just about being

1082
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: comfortable in their own skin and being African American in

1083
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: this day and age, what do you tell your kids?

1084
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: How do you tell them, especially because I have too

1085
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: by racial kids and I have one kid that's not

1086
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: by racial I just and I just tell them that, like,

1087
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: like you're gonna get pulled from to different side of

1088
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: about racial kids. You're gonna get pulled from too different

1089
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: sides at the end of the day, Like you have

1090
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: to love yourself and choose yourself and you are who

1091
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: you are and never be ashaming yourself. At the end

1092
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: of the day, people gonna like you, People not gonna

1093
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: dislike you, and it's okay. Everybody's not gonna like you.

1094
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: You're not gonna like everybody, and it's okay. But you

1095
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: still have to live yourself and act with a certain

1096
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: kind of respected dignity and take pride in yourself. I

1097
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 1: tell my son in California camera, so now all the time,

1098
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely stays. Uh. One more question then, and I'm

1099
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: gonna let you go. Man. I want to know if

1100
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 1: you could go back in time time somehow and meet

1101
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: your thirteen and fourteen year old self stay supposed to

1102
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: what would you tell yourself back then, I can go

1103
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: back in time, I would tell myself that education in

1104
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: school is more important. I thought it was, and more

1105
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 1: important education in school was relationships with people networking because

1106
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: like everybody know me and always talking about me, but

1107
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: like I don't know nobody, Like I don't I can't call,

1108
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: I don't network, I don't call people. That part of

1109
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: my life. I thought, I think I would work on

1110
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: it a little better, Like the networking and building relationships

1111
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: with people. Like you said that after the after basketball

1112
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: and after career stuff, like right now you can kind

1113
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: of transferred into I see you with the podcast. I'm like, okay, nice,

1114
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: you know, just just to have a supporting crafty enough

1115
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: to do something different, I would I would tell myself

1116
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: that the uh education is way more important. I actually

1117
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: thought it was. So yeah, that's a dope message. Man. Man,

1118
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 1: you had an amazing career. Man, this is a story.

1119
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: Was Your stories are awesome too, bro, because it's one

1120
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: that you know talks about resiliency, man, and making it

1121
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: out of a tough situation. I don't think people really

1122
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: understand how hardness to make it out of those situations, man,

1123
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: when you don't have your father around and it's just

1124
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: you and moms. Man, I have a lot of admiration

1125
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: for the for the young brothers like brothers like yourself

1126
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: and others that have made it out of that situation.

1127
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: Bro Um And I think right now, my papers, I

1128
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: we started talking regularly about two years ago. My Papers

1129
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: is my dude right now. So you just you started

1130
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: talking to your popsic year about two years ago. Damn,

1131
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: how's that? Bed? How's that? How has that been to reconnection?

1132
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: Do you feel differently as a father or does it

1133
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: not really bother you at all? It's almost like a

1134
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: question man asked that you always had a question in

1135
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: your life or where you came from, what you look like,

1136
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: because I had a father figured my life named L. R.

1137
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: Ross Senior, Like that was my dude. You know, we

1138
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: looked out for me the whole time and he just

1139
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: that was my dude. But you always wondering who you

1140
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: come from and why you act a certain way, walk

1141
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: in a certain way. A lot of questions was answered,

1142
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: and uh, I just you know, as far as being

1143
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: a relationship with him, I kind of just forgave him.

1144
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: Like as a kid, you're thinking, like, well, why my

1145
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: father and like why like what do I do? Like

1146
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: I do something to the dude. So it's kind of

1147
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: like it was like a weight off my shoulder for forgiveness.

1148
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: Actually so todly about me. So I'm glad I did.

1149
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: And he's a cool dude. Man, cool dude. He's gonna

1150
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: come to minute started to see you. I don't know,

1151
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: it's been some people like, hey man, we might come

1152
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: in the summer. We gotta we gotta figure that out.

1153
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to resonate, but it's not feeling this

1154
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 1: compass right now. It's probably like seven degrees right, seven

1155
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: and eight degrees, Bro, that's so cool on that where

1156
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: we come from. We come from the palm trees. And

1157
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: you know it's sunny right now. I'm looking outside. Hey,

1158
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: I got the sun. I got a mountain right here.

1159
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm chilling. Here's the thing I would say that I'm

1160
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: most I'm most upset about my whole careers. Like everybody

1161
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: always talked about football with me. I mean, I get

1162
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: I played football, but I think I never get enough

1163
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: credit for being a basketball player, you know what I mean.

1164
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: Like I was off ten in the conference world. It

1165
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: was like real guards in this conference. It's like if

1166
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: you played the pack tim back when we play it

1167
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: was a different kind of cont absolutely every night you're

1168
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: talking about high level guys to high draft picks, lottery picks,

1169
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: number two pick, Mike Bibby, all type of Jason Terry

1170
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: are coming off the bitch, first rounder, coming off the bench.

1171
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: So like it stays yeah, it states you was out

1172
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: there having drawing the toughest defensive assignment probably every single

1173
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: time you stepped on the floor. So you got to

1174
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: really be up in all these dudes like a lot.

1175
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing people gotta stand about you. Your film,

1176
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: your film from college. That's why I had so much

1177
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: confidence in in Qatar bringing you over. They were like,

1178
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: where did he play? I'm like, don't worry about it.

1179
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: I know, I know what time it is. My guy,

1180
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: like I seen him in the past, Tim Dog Like,

1181
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: I know what he eat. Locking dudes up, Bro, He's

1182
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: luck it, dudes up. So you did it, man, and

1183
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: its it's a credit to your game and the athlete.

1184
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: That's why I say, man, you were you were incredible athlete. Bro.

1185
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: To do that in football, Bro, and then to be

1186
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: all packed hit in that era. Bro, that's I mean,

1187
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: think about think about the two sports stars that you

1188
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: came up with. Okay, guys like Antonio carry on or

1189
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: guys like you know, there were other guys that were dope.

1190
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: They didn't take it to the level. Man. They weren't

1191
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: all packed ten and in the heyday of the conference, right, Okay,

1192
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: So that that's I think that's set you a part

1193
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: and why we're gonna look at you and revere you

1194
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: the way we do. Bro. We know, I think people

1195
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,479
Speaker 1: realize it, Bro, people give you that love you still

1196
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: talked about, Bro, like you be on Twitter. Hey wait

1197
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: till I come out with this pod on Twitter, They're

1198
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: gonna be like, I wonder what happened to Stays and

1199
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: this is that? Yeah. But I was always a little

1200
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: key guy man, like I didn't really want too much

1201
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: pressing headlines. Man, I don't want to do this ball man. Yeah,

1202
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: that's what's up. Bro. But man, you be good Man.

1203
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: I appreciate your your time today. Brother. Man. I love

1204
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: to do this again at some point. Man. You stay safe, man,

1205
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: and good luck and everything you're doing. Bro. Man, your

1206
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: family Man's always love and appreciate, always appreciate you. Stays

1207
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: Bosh