1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: So just now in the Oval Office, Trump is meeting 4 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: with the president of South Africa. 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: Have you seen this yet? Buck? Oh? Yeah? 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 3: Uh. 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: He dimmed the lights in the Oval Office and played 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: a four and a half minute video of South African 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: lawmakers demanding that white people be killed and their land 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: be sieved. And it is blowing up everywhere as we speak. 11 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: I am scrolling through to see how South Africa's leader responded, 12 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: but it is It is really pretty extraordinary, these moments 13 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: that Trump is having in the Oval Office with leaders 14 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: of foreign countries, whether it was Zelenski in February, now 15 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: the South African leader today. And of course this comes 16 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: on the heel was at fifty nine fifty some odd 17 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: South African farmers who were white being granted amnesty in 18 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: the United States, and everybody came out and said, oh 19 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: my goodness, this is on the Democrat side, unacceptable and 20 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: this has just happened. So we will pay attention to you. 21 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: I just want to give you a heads up, Buck. 22 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: This is something we've talked about quite a lot on 23 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: the show, and it has not gotten very much attention. 24 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: But remember one of the CNN commentators said, why don't 25 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: they just go back to where they're from? And many 26 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: of these South African white farmers have been there for 27 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: hundreds of years, some of them since the sixteen hundreds. 28 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: And these were people that have been victims of islands 29 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: at high levels. 30 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 4: The Dutch East India Company land around the what is 31 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 4: it the Cape of Good Hope around sixteen fifty four, 32 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 4: and the Dutch didn't displace and there was no one there. 33 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 4: Now you could say there was somebody there in the 34 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 4: land that is now currently South Africa. Yeah, but it 35 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 4: was a sparsely populated land. Here's some things that people 36 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 4: don't ever think about when they talk about this what 37 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 4: was considered tribal land at that point. Well, they may 38 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 4: be curious to know that in the seventeenth century and 39 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 4: that part of Africa, the tribes almost to I think 40 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 4: every single one. I mean, I'm trying to think of 41 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 4: there's any exception. 42 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: Clay. 43 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 4: They were migrant herdsmen, if you will, So they were 44 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 4: constantly on the move. They would move with the seasons, 45 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 4: they would move with their herds. They were overwhelming a 46 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 4: herding societies. So what's their land or rather how much 47 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: land or what really is is why is it that 48 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 4: there's an assumption that to be native to Africa you 49 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 4: have to be black. There there are people now, I 50 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 4: know people are gonna say everybody originated from Africa, and 51 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 4: I'm aware of this too, and the you know, the 52 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 4: anthropological origins of the of the human species. 53 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: But there's the whole northern part of Africa. Is you know, 54 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: is Egypt part of Africa. It's a fun thing to 55 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: ask people, this is Egypt part of Africa? They go, well, yes, 56 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: but so are Egyptians Africans? 57 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: People will say no, and you say why why is 58 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: not the case? Of course they're Africans right. 59 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: Anyway, It's interesting the way these things are spoken about 60 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: and talked about because the storyline, Now, yes, was there 61 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: a racist system of. 62 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 4: Apartheid instituted that you know, needed to be overturned. Absolutely, 63 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 4: it happened, But they didn't overturn it with a system 64 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 4: that was also not race or rather that was not racist. 65 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 4: They overturned it with a system that was explicitly racist. 66 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 4: It just switched the direction of the racism and what 67 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 4: you see now with Trump showing everybody what's really going on, 68 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: is that the objection. You know, Clay, We've been covering 69 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 4: the immigration issue very closely every time, and I used 70 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 4: to have these fights. And you know, when I lived 71 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 4: in DC for a couple of years, I was doing 72 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 4: the show at the Hill. We'd have all these Democrats on. 73 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 4: I would say, these people are not asylum secrets. 74 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: So yes they are. 75 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: They deserve their day in court, they deserve to present 76 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: evidence to show. I'm like, these people are showing up 77 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: with with Q cards that say in whatever language they speak, 78 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: you know, and by the way, I mean actual QUE cards. 79 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: They actually would have this written out. Sometimes I have 80 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: a credible fear of violence in my insert the blank country, 81 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: and that was how you pass their credible fear test. 82 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: Clay. 83 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 4: I bring this up because all the media are assuming 84 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 4: that these fifty migrants that we've taken in from legally 85 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 4: taken in from South Africa are not deserving of asylum. 86 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: They have no idea, None of. 87 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 4: These people have, you know, they haven't looked into their 88 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 4: individual cases. Their objection to the South African migrants, and 89 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 4: this goes to what Trump is is explicitly I think 90 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 4: showing every right now is that they are white and 91 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 4: that they've come here legally. 92 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 93 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: Look, sorry, I'm just catching up because of this Oval 94 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: Office event reminds me of what happened with Ukraine, where 95 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: we're live on the air and we're like, oh my goodness, 96 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: like this is kind of remarkable. I'm sending some clips 97 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: in to our team so that they can be on 98 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: top of this and we can share with all of you. Look, 99 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: this is I think significant. You might say, Okay, why 100 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: does this matter? 101 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 5: Right? 102 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: Well, and again I'm texting in different clips that have 103 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: just happened in the Oval Office to our team so 104 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: that we can make sure that we're on top of this. 105 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: What is really happening here in the Oval Office is 106 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: and this is unique. I don't remember this happening very often. 107 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: Trump has decided that one of the best ways he 108 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: can dominate the news cycle and force the media to 109 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: talk about what he wants them to talk about is 110 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: do it while you have these gatherings with foreign leaders 111 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: in the Oval Office, which are traditionally just kind of banal. 112 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: There's not a lot of news that comes out of them. 113 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: They talk about how much they like each other, and 114 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: it's a kind of a grip and grin handshake style event. 115 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: Trump is turning them into must see television and also 116 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: forcing then the media to cover what takes place there. Now, 117 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: I can already tell you what the response to this 118 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: is going to be. Oh, Trump only cares about violence 119 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: in South Africa when it impacts white people, right, And 120 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 1: they're going to say, well, yes, there is violence against 121 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: white people in South Africa, but South Africa has huge 122 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: rates of violence overall, and black people are actually much 123 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: more likely to be victims of violence in South Africa, 124 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: which is true because they're the majority of the country. 125 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: But I'm just telling you what the talking points will 126 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: be in response to this. 127 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 4: But let's keep digging into this, right, Let's keep having 128 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 4: this fight with them, because they're wrong, and so they'll lose. 129 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 4: The more that's exposed, the more that is known about this, 130 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 4: weaker the Democrat position becomes, which is true of almost 131 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 4: every Democrat position, I think, But in this case, I 132 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 4: think they're digging a deeper hole for themselves than they realize. 133 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 4: First of all, the people, and you're right about what 134 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 4: they're talking points will be. The people that would make 135 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 4: that case though, are also people who in this country, 136 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 4: for example, we say they only care about let's say 137 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 4: police brutality or police violence that involves members of the 138 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 4: black community, correct, even though guess what, overwhelmingly it is 139 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 4: members of the white community who suffer from state or 140 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 4: police violence. 141 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: But they will say, oh, it's all about the proportion. 142 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, then let's take a look at the proportional 143 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 4: violence in South Africa, and let's also take a look 144 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 4: at the you know, the reason, the motive for that violence, 145 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: and it is in many cases explicitly anti white, and 146 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 4: it is encouraged by the state. So mir the people 147 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 4: who are objecting to the South African migrants, when they 148 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 4: apply a similar framework of state violent racism in this country, 149 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 4: you can see they actually have no principles to work 150 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 4: on whatsoever. That that that it's only what happens here 151 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 4: and what happens there they view as totally you know, 152 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 4: irrelevant comparisons when they're actually very apt comparisons. 153 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 154 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: Well, look, I mean I use this analogy all the 155 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,559 Speaker 1: time because I think it is an important aspirational goal. Lady, 156 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: justice is blind. Go look at any exact I've heard 157 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: you say that before, You've heard me say it. But 158 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: I think it's it's such an important example to use 159 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: because it's an aspirational goal for all of society that 160 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: we would weigh guilt or innocence based. 161 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: Not in any way on what the. 162 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: Race or gender, or ethnicity or religion or sexuality is 163 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: of the accused, that we would just look at the facts. 164 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: And in many ways, what happens is we swung right 165 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: from admittedly racism against minorities to racism is okay in 166 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: favor of minorities to make up for racism in the past, 167 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: and we skipped right over trying to have fair and 168 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: impartial application of justice. 169 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 4: Well, now you're hitting on the critical principle that is 170 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 4: so upsetting. So there's the immigration component of this right, 171 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 4: which is America shouldn't take in any white people really 172 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 4: as immigrants period. I mean, that's what the Democrats actually want. 173 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 4: Democrats believe that a less white America will inherently be 174 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 4: a more just America because it is the white people 175 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 4: in America who do all the oppressing, right, if you 176 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 4: actually take their love, So they think that a more 177 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 4: just America must be a less white America. That is 178 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 4: a left wing Democrat belief. So that's on the immigration piece, Clay. 179 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 4: But the other piece, which is what you just touched on, 180 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 4: is in South Africa, you have a dender rights case 181 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 4: of black racism against white people as a matter of law, 182 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 4: as a matter of policy, and as a matter of 183 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 4: day to day life. Well, if it's possible there, doesn't 184 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 4: that go against the narrative in this country of only 185 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 4: white people can be racist? 186 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: Yes, it distracts this. 187 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: This is what I would say is a foundational idea 188 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: that I would encourage all of you to contemplate if 189 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: you haven't already come to the conclusion white, Black, Asian 190 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: and Hispanic people can all be racist. That is one 191 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: billion percent true. Kind of like we're very anti cancer here, 192 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: we're very anti racism, yes, but you know the thing 193 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: with like the cancer, like there's no good cancer, and 194 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: there's no good racism. 195 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 4: We're anti it across the board. I'm anti any racial 196 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 4: animis based on skin color. I'm anti all tumors, right, 197 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 4: I mean this is you can be consistent. Yes, and 198 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 4: we wish nobody ever died. We would be very pro 199 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 4: immortality too. Yes, we are pro anty death, anti death, 200 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 4: pro living. 201 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: But I do think that that statement that I just 202 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: made white black Asian and Hispanic people can all be racist. 203 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: Many Democrats, many left wing voters would say, no, Clay, 204 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: you're wrong. 205 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: Oh, they fundamentally reject that. 206 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: Yes, only white people can be racist, and therefore we 207 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: can only focus on racism white in the direction of black, 208 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: Asian or Hispanic. And what's really fascinating about this is 209 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: you question me. You say, Okay, Clay, I don't disagree. 210 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: Remember when stop Asian Hate just vanished, when they decided 211 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: that Asian hate was actually being driven You know what 212 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: the problem with that campaign was surveillance cameras. 213 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's rough. They start rough. 214 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: It was like two months they were like this, and 215 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: it was that post COVID they were like, this rise 216 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: of anti Asian hate is unexcepted. 217 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 2: They the media was like. 218 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: Must be guys named Billy, Bob and Maga hats and no, 219 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: it turned out it was not mostly black guys beating 220 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: up innocent Asian people. And they were like, oh, well, 221 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: Asian hate's really not that big of a deal. And look, 222 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: hate is wrong. Racism is wrong, but it can run 223 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: in many different directs. Should be condemned everywhere. By the way, 224 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: this is interesting too, Trump, I don't know I've ever 225 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: seen a president who loves athletes more. He's got Ernie 226 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: Els and Ratief Goosen, two famous South African golfers with. 227 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: Him in the meeting. 228 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: And Ernie Els and Ratief Goosen have spoken out to 229 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: say they want to see the country flourish, but they 230 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: have to end racism in the country in order for 231 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: that to happen. So those are two white golfers who 232 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: many of you out there who are golf fans will 233 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: know very well. Ernie El's Ratief Goosen, both major winners 234 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 1: in the PGA Tour, and just goes there just this 235 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: is another moment where Trump is forcing the Democrats. It's 236 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: like the MS thirteen guy and that we're all supposed 237 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: to care so much that he was deported, you know, 238 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: the bad guy. Trump is forcing the Democrats here because 239 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: he knows how they think to defend the indefensible, which 240 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: is the policies right now of South Africa. They are 241 00:12:55,160 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: morally and intellectually indefensible. If you're anti racism, yes, and 242 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: it's an example of moving from apartheid, which was wrong, 243 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: to now a new form of racism, which is white 244 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: no longer being in the control of the government. I 245 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: think they're seven percent of the population. I would also 246 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: point out and being discriminated against by the majority black 247 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: ruling class. Now I would also point out Elon Musk 248 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: is South African, So I think I would. I would 249 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: bet that one reason Trump has become more aware of 250 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: this is that Elon Musk has been outspoken about what 251 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: he has seen in his country, and I think Trump 252 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: has certainly become aware of it in a way that 253 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: he might not have. 254 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 4: Think about how powerful the narrative really is that's been 255 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 4: sort of foisted on everybody in this country. Can you say, 256 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 4: if you walk into a room, you're like, Elon Musk 257 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 4: is an African? Do people think that you're you know 258 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 4: that that's weird? They there's automatically right. You say it 259 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 4: and they go, ohh whoa, whoa, what do you mean? 260 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 4: So there are land masses that are only for certain 261 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,599 Speaker 4: like massive land masses that are only for people of 262 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 4: a certain skin color. Is that is not the position 263 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 4: that they take, but that is the position. 264 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 2: That Democrats take. 265 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: Evon Musk is factually the most successful African American in 266 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: the history of the United States. 267 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: He's the most yeah in the world. 268 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: Yes, maybe the most successful African American in the history 269 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: of Africa existing as we know it in civilization. Certainly 270 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: he's up near the top of the list. Maybe they'll 271 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: make a statute to him in the new African American 272 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: Museum going up on the National Mall. That would be 273 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: Can you imagine Can you imagine the reaction if Trump 274 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: came out and said, Hey, I think we need an 275 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: Evon musk wing in the new African American Mall that's 276 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: going up on the Capitol, the Capitol Mall. That the 277 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: reaction to that would be absolutely hysterical. All right, look, 278 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: we'll get back into this. We'll actually take you to 279 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: a couple of clips of the president here in just 280 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: a second, talking to the President of South Africa. But 281 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: your online identity is worth a lot of cyber hackers. 282 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: Then the latest scam involves a fe call. 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Structurally, Trump knows that if he admits these 308 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: fifty South African farmers into the United States, Buck, that 309 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: He's going to get ripped to the high heavens by 310 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: the media who were going to say, there's no Democrats, 311 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: there's no reasonable justification for this at all. He probably 312 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: already had this four and a half minute video to 313 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: his staff credit done. He knows South Africa's president is 314 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: coming for a visit, and they just sprung an incredible 315 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: trap on the media and the Democrats because it is 316 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: beyond dispute that there are white people being murdered in 317 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: South Africa because of their race, and he just played it, 318 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: forcing everyone in that Oval office to cover this as 319 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: a news story, and he did it entirely on his terms. 320 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: It is an unbelievable master class in owning the narrative. 321 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: And I think this is a masterclass in a very 322 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: long tease that is going to extend us through the 323 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: next break, Clay, because now your additional intro has put 324 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,479 Speaker 1: us beyond time to play the clip, So I'm going 325 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: to have to wait. I'm like, guys, I promise we're 326 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: gonna play Trump when we get back. Clay's like, wait, wait, wait. 327 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: This is like in Survivor when they're like, and we 328 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: have the results for you when we come back from 329 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: this break you know what I mean, or The Bachelor 330 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: or whatever. So se Clainos headline just got from the 331 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: New York Times, Buck, you know, breaking news. Trump's meeting 332 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: with South African leader turns contentious over genocide claims, as 333 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: you would expect might happen when there are genocide claims 334 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: that are made. 335 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 4: We are going to jump into this. We will play 336 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 4: I promise you, Clay promises to this time. We're gonna 337 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 4: play the clips here when we come back with you 338 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 4: in just a minute of Trump. 339 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 2: He's amazing. He's just amazing, honestly, like I love this guy. 340 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: We also love everybody who is fighting to help keep 341 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: as many people safe as possible in Israel. I was 342 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: over there in December, as all of you know, and 343 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: it is incredibly important to provide as much support as 344 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: we can for the people of Israel. Country is not 345 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: as wealthy as you might anticipate, still a very young 346 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: country filled with lots of people of a variety of 347 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: different backgrounds, and what they need right now is help 348 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: dealing with war on all front and also, boy, they 349 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: really need help with being able to protect themselves, whether 350 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: it's bomb shelters, whether it's bulletproof vehicles. That's what the 351 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: International Fellowship of Christians and Jews does. They provide a 352 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: lifeline in the form of hot meals boxes for of 353 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: healthy food. A lot of Holocaust survivors not able to 354 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: take care of themselves necessarily, you can help at IFCJ 355 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: dot org. That's IFCJ dot org. 356 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: Sexton on the front Lines of Truth. 357 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Okay, we're 358 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: going to play some audio from the explosive meeting with 359 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: South Africa's president here in a moment. But I told 360 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: you how this was going to be covered by many 361 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: of the same media outlets that told you that Joe 362 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: Biden was fit as a fiddle and sharp as attack 363 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: and the best version of himself that he's ever been. 364 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: Breaking news New York Times meeting with This is the 365 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: opening paragraph. Meeting with President Cyril Ramafosa of South Africa. 366 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: President Trump showed videos meant to back up his false 367 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: claims about mass killings of a white ethnic minority. That 368 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: is the breaking news that you would have just received 369 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: if you, like me, are a New York Times subscriber. 370 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: Also from Axios, headline Trump and Bush's South Africa's President 371 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: with video footage in the Oval office. There's no evidence, 372 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: says Axios, that white farmers are experience experiencing a spike 373 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: in violence, despite a few high profile cases. I mean, 374 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: this is really kind of amazing. But I just wanted 375 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: to tell you. You knew how this would be covered 376 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: by the same people who told you that Joe Biden 377 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: was the best version of himself. But I want to 378 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: play some of you some of this so you can 379 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: hear it yourself. Trump Cut twenty five. Let's listen to this. 380 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 6: So we'll be discussing many things and some of the 381 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 6: things you've been reading about in the papers, in the media. 382 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 5: And I would say that, look, though the President is. 383 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 6: A truly respected man in many many circles, and in 384 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 6: some circles he is considered a little controversial. But we're 385 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 6: going to be discussing some of the things that are 386 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 6: taking place in South Africa. 387 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 5: See, we can help and we want to help. 388 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: All Right, I'm going to play several of these because 389 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: it's going to be a big news story. Cut twenty seven. 390 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: This has just happened in the last little bit. This 391 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: is Trump confronting South Africa's president about the amount of 392 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: people calling for the killing of white people. 393 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 6: They have hundreds of people, thousands of people trying to 394 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 6: come into our country because they feel they're going to 395 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 6: be killed and their land is going to be confiscated. 396 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 6: And you do have laws that were passed that gives 397 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 6: you the right to confiscate land for no payment. 398 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 7: You can take away land for no payment. I don't 399 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 7: want to clarify that, because we have a constitution. A 400 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 7: constitution guarantees and protects the sanctity of tenure of land ownership, 401 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 7: and that constitution protect all South Africans with regards to 402 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 7: land ownership. However, we do say, because we've got to 403 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 7: deal with the past, the government and s your government 404 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 7: also has their right to it's appropriate land for public use, 405 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 7: and we're doing that, and we've never really got in 406 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 7: underway with that, and we are going to be. 407 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 5: Doing you're taking you're taking people's land. We have not examined. 408 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 6: And those people, in many cases are being executed. They're 409 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 6: being executed, and they happen to be white, and most 410 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 6: of them happened to be farmers. And that's a tough situation. 411 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 6: I don't know how you explain that. How do you 412 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 6: explain that they're taking people's land away, and in many 413 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 6: cases those people are being executed. 414 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 5: And in many cases it's not. 415 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 6: The government that soon, it's people that kill them and 416 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 6: then take their land and nothing happens to them. But 417 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 6: we have thousands of people that want to come into 418 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 6: our country. They're also going to Australia owner number. But 419 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 6: we have thousands of people that want to come into 420 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 6: our country and they're white farmers, and they feel that 421 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 6: they're going to die in South Africa. 422 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 5: And it's a bad thing. 423 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: Wait a couple more, because it keeps getting it keeps 424 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: getting more contentious. You can't accuse Trump of being unwilling 425 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: to confront things like this. When he sees it cut 426 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: twenty eight, he says, how about the stadium rallies where 427 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: they're chanting to kill white farmers in South Africa? 428 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 7: We in nineteen fifty five adopted a document which said, 429 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 7: so Africa belongs. 430 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 5: To poor lad But why wouldn't you arrest that man? 431 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 6: That man said kill the white farmers, kill the white farmers. 432 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 6: And then he danced, and he's dancing dancing, and it's 433 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 6: killed the white farmers. 434 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 5: I think I'm not sure, but I think. 435 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 6: If somebody got up in Parliament and started saying kill 436 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 6: a certain group of people that he would be in 437 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 6: would be arrested very quickly. That man is going all 438 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 6: over South Africa. And that's not a small party. That 439 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 6: was a stadium that holds one hundred thousand people and 440 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 6: I hardly saw. 441 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 5: An empty sea. That's a lot of people. 442 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 6: That's a lot of representation, and those crosses. We have 443 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 6: dead white people, dead white farmers mostly. 444 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 5: And you take a look at Australia, they're. 445 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 6: Being inundated and whipping inundated with people that want to 446 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 6: get out and their farmers valueless. 447 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 5: It's valueless and they just want to get out with 448 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 5: their life. 449 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 6: And this is a very serious situation. 450 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: Okay, a couple of other because there's a lot going 451 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: on here. A reporter asked, hey, you're saying genocide. Have 452 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: you made up your mind as to whether you believe 453 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: genocide is occurring in South Africa? 454 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 2: Cut twenty nine. 455 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 5: That's a very strong word. I don't eat up your mind. 456 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 5: That's whether people The Times I has a crime as that. 457 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 3: Was, hows why the president I'm a close secure. 458 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 5: Stay well, I haven't made up my mind. I hate 459 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 5: to see it. Uh. 460 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 6: From the same point of South Africa. But also you know, 461 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 6: I'm trying to save lives. I'm working with Russia and Ukraine. 462 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 5: I don't have to do that. It's not our war. 463 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 5: It was started by other people. 464 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 6: Uh, something belonged by our past administration, and we would've 465 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 6: never happened if I were president. 466 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 5: But I'm trying to save lives and no matter where. 467 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 6: Uh Rwanda, I have nothing to do with Rwanda and 468 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 6: the Congo. But I felt I had a very talented 469 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 6: person in this administration and I sent him there and 470 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 6: he did an unbelievable job. 471 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 5: I think. 472 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 6: I mean, we're gonna find out, but he's uh done 473 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 6: the hardest part of the job. 474 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 5: It should it should happen. If I can save lives, 475 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 5: I wanna save the lives. 476 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 6: If it's in Africa, that's great, If it's in Europe, 477 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 6: if it's uh wherever it may be. And uh it's 478 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 6: a very small investment to do, believe mean compared to 479 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 6: what the consequences. 480 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: Okay, one last I mentioned that he had retief Goosen 481 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: and Ernie els Buck. You've covered this, You've talked about 482 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: it before, Zimbabwe, South Africa. Are you kind of stunned 483 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: that this is suddenly now going to be on the 484 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: public consciousness, maybe in a way that it hasn't ever before. 485 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, I mean I'm I'm thrilled because people 486 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 4: should know about this. I've been covering this issue for 487 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 4: a long time. I've had I have some friends who 488 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 4: are South African. I have a friend who's a South 489 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 4: African journalist. And you know, I've heard the harrowing tales 490 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 4: of the home invasions, the police who never show up. 491 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 4: Think about that. It's one thing to say that police 492 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 4: don't show up fast enough. Imagine if the police just 493 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 4: don't come after a home invasion. I mean, some of 494 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 4: the stuff that you'll hear about in that country and 495 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 4: the way things go are you know, just jarring. And 496 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 4: what's funny to me, Clay, is that a lot of 497 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 4: these people in you have to remember, people to hear 498 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 4: the Washington Post, most of the people doing the like 499 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 4: copywriting and the and the day to day stuff in 500 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 4: that newsroom are you know, twenty five to thirty five 501 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 4: year old libs who don't know anything. I mean, they 502 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 4: don't know. They're ass from their elbow, honestly, and they 503 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 4: certainly don't know anything about South Africa and So what's 504 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 4: funny is that these people know they know what they're 505 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 4: supposed to say because of the narrative here, which is like, 506 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 4: there's no racism in South Africa. But if you actually 507 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 4: know anything about South Africa or what's happened next to 508 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 4: or in Zimbabwe for that matter, it's explicitly soaked. 509 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 2: In racism as a matter of policy. And the whole thing, 510 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: the whole state is. 511 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 4: Being built upon, the new South African state is being 512 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 4: built upon explicitly racist policy. And so they've taken this 513 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 4: argument that what Trump is doing is wrong. But to 514 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 4: your point about the bear trap, they don't know they 515 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 4: will lose. 516 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: This is a little bit like the you know, do 517 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: trans men really have an athletic advantage over women? 518 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: Yes? They do. 519 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: Is South African government South Africa's government racist against white. 520 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: People, Yes it is. They just don't know. 521 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: Here is I mentioned Ratief Goosen and Ernie Els. These 522 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: are major winners in the PGA tour. If you're a golfer, 523 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: you certainly know these names. Ratief Goosen and Ernie Els, 524 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: both in the Oval office. Ratief Goosen says, hey, my 525 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: dad was a property developer. Some of his buddy farmers 526 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: got killed, telling you directly about his experience as a 527 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: South African living there. 528 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: Here's Ratief Goosen. 529 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 5: I grew up in. 530 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 8: An area in South Africa that he's a farmman area, 531 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 8: and there's some. 532 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 5: Issues up there. 533 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 8: Obviously my dad was a proper develop as well as 534 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 8: a part time farmer. And yes, some of these buddy 535 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 8: farmers got killed. The farm is still going, my brothers running, 536 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 8: but it's a constant bethnal of farm's trying to get 537 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 8: trying to burn the farm's down. 538 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 5: To chase you away. 539 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 8: So it is it is a concern to try and 540 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 8: a thing as a farmer and today and they you know, 541 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 8: if that farm is not food on the plate, so 542 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 8: we need we meet the farm. 543 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 5: You wouldn't do it. You wouldn't even want to do 544 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 5: what you'd do. They love the farming, they don't want 545 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 5: to leave. It's just struggle. 546 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 4: So just got just another little bit of sorry, Clay. 547 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 4: You know, I get I'm very fared up about this. 548 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 4: You know what when this when they when the Dutch 549 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 4: landed in South Africa and this that middle of the 550 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 4: seventeenth century, you know it's uh, it would have been 551 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 4: very hard for them to steal the farms because there 552 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 4: was no farming going on, certainly nothing that we would 553 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 4: consider farming on a scale that could feed population centers 554 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 4: because there also were no major population centers. So, you know, 555 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 4: it's interesting as people think this through and they're trying 556 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 4: to decide, like, well, who's native to the land and 557 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 4: who's not and all this other stuff. I would also 558 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 4: point this out, Clay, we have we have a lot 559 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 4: of farmers who listen right. We got a lot of 560 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 4: people who either grew up on farms are still farm 561 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 4: you know, who are listening to our show right now. 562 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 4: How many of them know a farmer who's targeted and 563 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 4: murdered for being a farmer and had their farm burned down? Now, fortunately, 564 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 4: I think the answer is probably zero. But yet it's 565 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 4: a commonplace occurrence in South Africa. What does that tell you, Like, 566 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 4: generally farmers aren't in the crosshairs, you know what I mean? 567 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 4: And clearly they are in South Africa, which is why 568 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 4: Trump was showing news stories about murdered farmers. 569 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 2: If you're in a farm, you're in a rural area. 570 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 4: Like how many rural area home invasions that are killing 571 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 4: farmers in this country? Like you start to think this 572 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 4: through and you realize, oh, there's something going on here, 573 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 4: like maybe the government has incited the population against these 574 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 4: people as a means of distracting from the fact that 575 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 4: the South African government is one of the most clownishly 576 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 4: corrupt governments in the world, wildly corrupt. And also, I 577 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 4: think this is important to your larger context. This happened 578 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 4: in Zimbabwe. And when it happened in Zimbabwe, the entire 579 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 4: country was destroyed because the land can no longer be 580 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 4: used productively. This is not going to shock any of you. 581 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: But when the government takes land and tries to give 582 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: it to someone else and say, hey, you use this 583 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: land more productively than the people who have farmed it 584 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: for hundreds of years, the likelihood of that land being 585 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: used more productively and producing more value is virtually zero. 586 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: I think that would be true anywhere in the world. 587 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: Right have you ever heard of a land confiscation by 588 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: the government that has gone better than letting individuals use 589 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: that land. When it comes to farming, this always fails. 590 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 4: It generally leads to mass starvation and horrific oppression, which 591 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 4: is what happens next door in Zimbabwe. And said, I've 592 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 4: mentioned it before and some of you who said book 593 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 4: the name of It Mugabe and the White African. It 594 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 4: is a fabulous documentary. I think you can watch it 595 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 4: even on YouTube. I think they have the full thing 596 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 4: up on YouTube. Go watch it. Because Clay, to your point, 597 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 4: the politicians who take over use the racial animus of 598 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 4: admittedly these countries were stratified by race and oppressive where 599 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,239 Speaker 4: the white minority was oppressed, and that's wrong and that 600 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 4: should end true one hundred percent, okay, But then they 601 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 4: use the animus of, oh, our government, our new government 602 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 4: that doesn't have that system in place, is failing you terribly. 603 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 4: It's the farmer's fault. You know what will fix it? 604 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 4: If we take their land, that will fix it. But 605 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 4: then you know what they do. They have armed men 606 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 4: of this you know, are basically armed thugs of the 607 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 4: state show up and they say get off this land, 608 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 4: and they murder the farmers who won't, and then they 609 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 4: just sell off all the farm equipment, they burn down 610 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 4: the houses, and then there's no food produced. 611 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: And I think this is really important in the case 612 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: of South Africa, but I think we've seen echo of 613 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: it here in the United States. You don't typically redress 614 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: racism by having more racism from the other side, it might, 615 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: in a vengeance perspective, feel better. And I think that's 616 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: the political calculus that is often deployed by leaders in 617 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: those countries because it's easier to make people feel angry 618 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: and to use those emotions to propel your own power. 619 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: But it actually is ultimately destructive in the same way 620 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: that the original racism you tried to fight was as well. 621 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 4: The Democrats, they see this, the case study of black 622 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 4: racism against a white minority, establishes firmly in the minds 623 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 4: of anyone paying attention the principle that racism is possible 624 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 4: by any person against any person of another race, and 625 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 4: it is a bad thing. And that is not something 626 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,479 Speaker 4: that we have been allowed to say in this country 627 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 4: for a long time, because we have been told, because 628 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,959 Speaker 4: of intersectionality in the left and blah blah blah critical 629 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 4: race theory, that it is only possible for whites to 630 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 4: be racist. And this is why they're so upset, because 631 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 4: this is one of the This is a closely held 632 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 4: belief by the Democrats. That's also why any conservative who 633 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 4: opposed this fifty African or showing up some of them 634 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 4: are people that I like, but they're wrong. They were 635 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 4: wrong on this issue. This is important, it's super important. 636 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: It is also the case that this directly ties into 637 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: what happened October seventh in Israel, because, as we have 638 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: told you, Israelis are seen as white and Palestinians are 639 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: seen as brown. And the American college kids who have 640 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: been taught this critical race theory cannot conceptualize the ideas 641 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: that a brown person could be violent in an unjustified 642 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: manner against a white person, and that underlies virtually all 643 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: of the protests that you've seen on American college campuses. 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They have to have almost 672 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 3: half guards. You know. They can't go shopping, you know, 673 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 3: if you're white, because they will be attacked. You know, 674 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 3: and everything thank you for is difficult. 675 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. We've talked about this before, 676 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: but I'm somewhat familiar. I haven't been. I would love 677 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: to go to Africa at some point in continent. 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