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Speaker 1: Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 1: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 1: a sibling Railvalry.

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Speaker 3: No, no, sibling raval You don't do that with your mouth, revelry.

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Speaker 1: That's good. I'm on spring break. I'm taking a break

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Speaker 1: for the spring right now. Essentially, that's what this is.

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Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with uh, you know, us

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Speaker 1: taking school off and time off for spring. Spring is

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Speaker 1: breaking for us. That's where I look at it. You know,

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Speaker 1: I like to be the alpha in spring break, so

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Speaker 1: so the spring's breaking for us. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: the fuck I'm talking about. I am in Palm Desert

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Speaker 1: right now. I was just in Big Sky, Montana skiing,

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Speaker 1: and I am about to go on a health journey.

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Speaker 1: That's what I tell myself all the time, and then

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Speaker 1: I get all pumped about it and then I fucking quit.

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Speaker 1: But I'm calling a nutritionist, I am taking blood. I'm

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Speaker 1: actually doing a You guys are gonna all get really

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Speaker 1: horny right now. I am about to do a stool sample. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be great. But you know what it's time.

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Speaker 1: I'm forty eight and a half. By the time i'm fifty,

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Speaker 1: I want to be an optimal shape. It feels good

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Speaker 1: to feel good. It's fun to party, it's fun to indulge.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not going to totally eliminate that from my life,

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Speaker 1: because let's be honest, I don't know who I am

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Speaker 1: without it. But I need to move to more of

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Speaker 1: an eighty twenty life you know what I mean, eighty

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Speaker 1: twenty life style. Right right now, I'm kind of twenty eighty.

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Speaker 1: I'm not like ten ninety. I'm like five ninety five.

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Speaker 1: Really eighty other way, I need to do more of

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Speaker 1: an eighty twenty, and it's time. I think it's time.

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Speaker 1: The Hudson Express has been on the tracks for a

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Speaker 1: long time. The Hudson Express has been going one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty miles an hour, sometimes bullet train speed. It's

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Speaker 1: time that the Hudson Express maybe pulls it in. You know,

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Speaker 1: it gets a fucking oil change and then turns into

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Speaker 1: a chew chew, you know, the Hudson choot chew. That's

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Speaker 1: that's where we're going. That's what we're going to go for.

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Speaker 1: You know, where if I wanted to give it like

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Speaker 1: some fucking you know, I've got a button on the

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Speaker 1: Jut show where I can go six hundred, so that

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Speaker 1: still exists. But then for the most part it kind

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Speaker 1: of just chugs along and enjoys the scenery. That's who

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Speaker 1: I want to be now. Anyway, we have a really

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Speaker 1: fun guest on and yeah, I mean it might have

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Speaker 1: been it might have been attracted to or at some

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Speaker 1: point I don't know who wasn't, But very cool story

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Speaker 1: and it's just very interesting life and U very open,

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Speaker 1: very cool bring around Denise, Denise Richard's everyone. Everyone give

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Speaker 1: up a clap, one clap Denise.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you so much for pushing it.

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Speaker 1: Oh babe, don't worry about it. I'm I'm horribly late

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Speaker 1: all the time. I try to be better at my life,

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Speaker 1: you know, but it's still bad.

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Speaker 2: It's hard.

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Speaker 1: It's hard. I don't know. I don't know what it means,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if if maybe I'm entitled

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Speaker 1: or I'm like, it'll all fucking work out. I always

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Speaker 1: have my whole thing. It's going to be on my gravestone.

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Speaker 1: Is like, we'll figure it out. It'll work out out

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Speaker 1: one way.

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Speaker 2: Or everything will work out.

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Speaker 1: That's how I operate, and sometimes to the detriment of

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Speaker 1: other people, it's like, it'll be fine, it'll work out.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes I find with kids it's hard to always be

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Speaker 4: super on time and I, oh my.

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Speaker 1: God, well my wife is It's something that you just

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Speaker 1: have to live with and deal with, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, it's just late. It's just who she is.

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Speaker 1: It's part of her DNA, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Like we've been together for twenty five years, very long time. Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been crazy twenty four when we met.

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Speaker 2: Wow, good for you. That's a lifetime in this industry.

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Speaker 1: God, I mean, hasn't been without It's complete insanity and

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Speaker 1: obstacles and figuring shit out. You know, that's just normal.

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Speaker 4: That's life, and that's that's life. Brings you back together closer.

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Speaker 1: Oh for sure, you know. And I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of times, you know, in relationships, it's easy to just

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Speaker 1: Oh you hurt me, fuck you, it's gone. Rather than

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Speaker 1: larger view, the macro. Do I love this person? Is

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Speaker 1: this person an amazing human being? Are we all? Do

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Speaker 1: we all have major faults? Yes? Are we all afflicted

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Speaker 1: one way or another? Fuck? Yes? So let's figure all

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Speaker 1: made it work.

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Speaker 4: But I think it's easier to say fuck off when

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Speaker 4: you're just dating, but when you make that convent for marriage,

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Speaker 4: it's you're like, okay, yeah, I'm not for everyone, and

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Speaker 4: some people can say fuck off married or you know,

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Speaker 4: the other way. But I think that it's that's part

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Speaker 4: of marriage too. It's like, also, even in your eyes,

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Speaker 2: Not on paper.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, in your life and your love life, how

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Speaker 1: much have you said funk off? And how much have

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Speaker 1: you said we got to work on this.

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Speaker 2: It depends which husband you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Just go through all of them.

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Speaker 2: I've only had two.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 4: The first one was an extreme circumstance situation. Yeah, but

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Speaker 4: I was now I'm I like to resolve things. And

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Speaker 4: you know, I think though, as we get older and

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Speaker 4: you're you have a specific way of what you want

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Speaker 4: to deal with, but also in a mature way of

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Speaker 4: looking at things, like, Okay, this is how I see.

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Speaker 4: You know, shit happens. We can fight and say fuck

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Speaker 4: we're good, you know.

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Speaker 2: What I mean.

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Speaker 4: It's like my husband and I if we say that

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Speaker 4: we know, and you know, five minutes later we're good

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Speaker 4: and we can go have lunch together or do some things.

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Speaker 4: So it's just there's just circumstances sometimes, I think, and

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Speaker 4: when you have the stress of kids and family and

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Speaker 4: whatever else is going on, and sometimes shit happens.

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Speaker 1: No, I know, how old are your kids now?

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Speaker 4: My oldest is twenty one and the nineteen she'll be twenty.

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Speaker 2: They're fifteen months apart.

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Speaker 4: So those girls I had with Charlie right then. My

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Speaker 4: youngest I adopted as a single mom. She's thirteen. She's

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Speaker 4: special needs. And actually and Aaron, my husbands been he's

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Speaker 4: been in her life since she was four years old.

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Speaker 2: And that's dad.

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Speaker 4: And you know, we were in the process of doing

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Speaker 4: adoption during the pandemic and then you know, share with

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Speaker 4: fiveways with all that. So but anyway, that's her dad too.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's great. So your husband's name is Aaron.

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Speaker 2: Aaron.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife's name is Aaron.

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Speaker 2: Oh, well that'll be easy, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Well that's so amazing. So you adopted a child with

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Speaker 1: special needs. Obviously you knew the child had special I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I got her at birth and we didn't know she

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Speaker 4: had special intels. She was you know, she wasn't meeting

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Speaker 4: her pediatrician didn't just attributed it as you know, every

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Speaker 2: But then it was.

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Speaker 4: As she you know, when it became time to really

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Speaker 4: deletion and chromosome eight and which contributed to a lot

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Speaker 4: She says, you know, quite a few words, but not

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Speaker 1: How was that, though, I mean, that's so interesting, because

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Speaker 1: what a strange gift in a way, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. It's that silver lining stuff where you think

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Speaker 2: You know, and I adopted her as a single mom.

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Speaker 4: I was it horrid? Yes, and no, I think that

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Speaker 4: obviously she was such a gift to me. And we

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Speaker 4: came to, you know, going through the adoption process. It

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Speaker 4: took a year and a half and there were several situations.

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Speaker 4: We have closed adoption, and she was number thirteen with situations.

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Speaker 4: But I always said, I always I feel children choose

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Speaker 4: their parents, and it feels like in my older girls,

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Speaker 4: they were seven and eight years old when she was adopted,

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Speaker 4: her six or seven somewhere around there, and they feel

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Speaker 4: like I had her. So I feel like Eloise that's

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Speaker 4: years before I adopted Eloise. She always told me that,

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Speaker 4: you know, special needs children are children of angels from God.

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Speaker 2: And so that's how I always viewed it.

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Speaker 4: And with Eloise, I've grown with her special needs, if

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Speaker 4: that makes sense, like it wasn't. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: But it has a lot of challenges, especially as she's

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Speaker 4: And I guess younger too. It has challenges, but there's

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Speaker 4: so many gifts to with it.

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Speaker 1: M Yeah, it's amazing. And then Aaron coming into your

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's actually when I really knew how much

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Speaker 4: I loved him. Was to take in two daughters where

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Speaker 4: my ax was Charlie Sheen.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot to have that X with all.

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Speaker 4: Due respect to Charlie or there's a lot of ups

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Speaker 4: and downs with that and say that too, but that

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Speaker 4: also to have a man embrace and be the you know,

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Speaker 4: wanting to be the father to my daughter. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the whole union was a no brainer. And my love

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, let's go back a little bit. I want

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Speaker 1: to know about your life growing up. Where did you

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Speaker 4: You know, I grew up in a small town outside

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Speaker 4: to church. Every Sunday, we went to CCD. My sister

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Speaker 4: and I. We were actually a Nielsen.

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Speaker 4: We had these boxes on our TV because we were

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Speaker 4: your typical all American family and they wanted to know

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Speaker 4: what we were watching and all that.

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Speaker 2: So we were part of the Nielsen rating side.

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Speaker 1: So funny that I'm a hundred well no, I mean

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Speaker 1: my producing part. We were just looking up, you know,

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Speaker 4: But you grew up with very famous parents, yes, which

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Speaker 4: I also admire about Lola is that on her own

438
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 4: she decided. She's like yes, because she was like, I'm

439
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 4: getting baptized, and I said you've been baptized.

440
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: She goes, no, Mom, I'm getting baptized. And I'm glad.

441
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 4: You know, it was good for me to understand that

442
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 4: that was something she made, the choice and her decision.

443
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 4: It wasn't my mom did it when I was a

444
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 4: baby and I didn't even know what was happening, you know, so,

445
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 4: but you know, my girls have been through a lot,

446
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 4: as we all have in life, and you know, for

447
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 4: Lola especially, this has been the path that has been

448
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 4: really great and very healthy for her. And so I'm

449
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 4: happy for her and you know, and to be able

450
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 4: to do her own podcast.

451
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: It's awesome. What's her podcast called.

452
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 4: Wella's podcast is called Heavenly Bonded and my dad actually

453
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 4: wants to be her first guest.

454
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: She hasn't guessed yet, so he asked if he could

455
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: be her first guest.

456
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: That's sweet.

457
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was excited.

458
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: This is cool. I love it. It'll be fun for

459
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: her to bring on people too, who are yeah, you know,

460
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: I mean the non believers or.

461
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 2: Or people on the fence or there.

462
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: Right, are different points of view exactly. That's fun.

463
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 4: Good for her, Oliver, before I forget, yeah, you were

464
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 4: going to do special Forces the season.

465
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: How did you know I was going to do that?

466
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: You know why?

467
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: You hear a little?

468
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, you and you were. I was so excited that

469
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 4: you were going to do it, so I know.

470
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: I it's how I watched. I watched some of it

471
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: and fuck, all.

472
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: Right, are you?

473
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: I mean part of me is happy I didn't And

474
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: then of course, part of me wants to challenge myself.

475
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 4: You would have had fun with the guys, like with

476
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 4: Carrie and Yadi and Cam and I mean we had

477
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 4: a great group.

478
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: Yeah was it it was? Was it fun? Or was

479
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: it was it?

480
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it fun.

481
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't fun.

482
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 4: It was the hardest thing is I've ever done in

483
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 4: my life. It's dangerous. I felt it. I mean, how

484
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 4: can I not be? But it was really hard. I

485
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 4: don't regret doing it. I really don't, because only because

486
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 4: of the people I became friends. Yeah yeah, if they

487
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 4: weren't there, i'd be like, well, but it's it's very challenging,

488
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 4: which I knew, but it was.

489
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 2: It's a lot harder than I thought.

490
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh no, I know. I mean the

491
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: cold water alone.

492
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: I didn't know we were going to do all that

493
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: water ship.

494
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: It's so much water stuff because I watched I watched

495
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: a few episodes like, fuck, it's all water freezing.

496
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 4: I did not know it was all water and it

497
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 4: was fucking cold as hell. And we really do like

498
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 4: I'm sure you had all the conversations and all that. Yeah,

499
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 4: and when they tell you like you do have to

500
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 4: turn your phone in and all that. I just thought

501
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 4: they just tell people you do there is no food,

502
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 4: like there is no pref service. I thought they would

503
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 4: shut things down and say, Okay, you guys can have

504
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 4: a break. The guys are going to go have a break,

505
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 4: and production would come in and kind of say, you

506
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 4: guys can go have snacks or do this.

507
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: You know it's not it is not that.

508
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: You're in it the whole time.

509
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 4: Yes, And but you know what's so funny is the

510
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 4: producers they asked me to do season two and sent

511
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 4: me season one, and I was like, heyll no, I'm

512
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 4: not doing this. There's no way I could do this.

513
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 4: Then season three came around and I finally said yes.

514
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 4: But they kept comparing me to your mom.

515
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: She goes Beck.

516
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 4: You would be like, please, please please, you are my

517
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 4: private benchmin, It's.

518
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: My getting my private which is such a huge compliment.

519
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 5: So it was very funny.

520
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: Did you push yourself beyond what you thought you could do?

521
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: I am terrified of heights.

522
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 4: I was able to stupidly on speedboat where they're like

523
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 4: just jump and grab onto a helicopter.

524
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: I saw that like if you're preparing for a movie, yeah, yeah.

525
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: If they would show you okay.

526
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, here's what we're gonna do.

527
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

528
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: An entire team of stunt coordinators saying, you know, blah

529
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: blah blah.

530
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 4: Blah, you're in that water and that I don't even

531
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: know where the hell we were. We were in the

532
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 4: Irish Sea and we didn't have our phone, so I

533
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 4: couldn't google, like what animals are.

534
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: I was so nervous what the fuck was in the water.

535
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: And I was like, fuck, we don't have our phone.

536
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what's down there.

537
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 4: It's dark, it was raining, and you can't see ship,

538
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 4: and there's lots of current and everything, and.

539
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: You're on the boat. You just go on the boat.

540
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 4: And Foxy was like, okay, when the helicopter comes down,

541
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say go and you have a small window

542
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 4: and you just have.

543
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: To go and leap and grab on.

544
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 4: And I'm like, okay, I can't fucking believe I did it?

545
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: Did you make this?

546
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 4: You?

547
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: Did you get the skin?

548
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: Hang on?

549
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 4: As the helicopter was pulling away, I was struggling and

550
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 4: I'm a left deep, so I was trying to go

551
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 4: up the other way when you have to go that

552
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 4: way to get in. I started to get a little

553
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 4: nervous because the helicopter was going up and I knew

554
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 4: the higher we go up, the deeper fall into that

555
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 4: weird ass water.

556
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: So I finally just let go. No, it'scy but I was.

557
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 4: Like, I can't believe, like I'm you know, I would

558
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 4: just do that. Lily like, oh shut I'll jump on

559
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 4: to that.

560
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's dangerous.

561
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: What finally made you break?

562
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: Okay? So what made so?

563
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: Then?

564
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: I lasted two days.

565
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 4: The second day I jumped off the bridge and the harness, which,

566
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 4: by the way, again I'm afraid of heights.

567
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: The hardness.

568
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 4: I almost asked, do you know cut the gentleman on

569
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 4: the das on there? And I almost said to him,

570
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I do not say anything. I'm like,

571
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 4: is this gonna? I?

572
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 5: Uh?

573
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: Caught my implants, I almost.

574
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 4: Asked them, and I'm like, I better not fuck around

575
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 4: with them.

576
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: Well it did.

577
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 4: I jumped off the bridge and my implants ruptured and

578
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 4: I felt something, uh, and.

579
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: Then the heart the way the harness was too. I

580
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: knew I hurt myself. Yeah.

581
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 4: So then we went to this water thing and then

582
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 4: I had to carry a log, and so I said,

583
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 4: you see a doctor.

584
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: I just wanted to make sure I wasn't and I didn't.

585
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: He's like playing, I don't want to tell him. I

586
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: think my.

587
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: Boobs hurt, right, like my tit exploded, and I please

588
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: see a doctor.

589
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: I think you if I like carry on and get

590
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: on with it. I said they wouldn't.

591
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 4: He wouldn't let me see a doctor, and so I said, well,

592
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 4: I feel like I have no choice but to go

593
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 4: because I want to make sure I was.

594
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: It wasn't just that.

595
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, a.

596
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 4: Lot grain area, but anyway, basically, you just destroyed every

597
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 4: part of you.

598
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: That's I wanted to make sure to go home completely broken.

599
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

600
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: But other than that, I think you would have a

601
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: great time.

602
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: Oh no, I would. The problem is I felt when

603
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: I watched it, I felt like I had to train

604
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: for it because I have to be in some kind

605
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: of shape, you know what I mean, Like I love

606
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: my booze, and you know, I smoked some cigarettes and

607
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: then I was like, I need to be in some

608
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: kind of shape here otherwise I'm going to be dead.

609
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 4: I trained for when when I sucked because I had

610
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 4: a toilet issue with the show, so I wasn't sure.

611
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: I didn't know for a month.

612
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 4: If I because I gave them one, I go, this

613
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 4: is my only deal breaker for me to do it.

614
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: And I thought, there's no way they're going to do it.

615
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

616
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 4: I was actually told by previous cast members They're like,

617
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: they're not going to let you have a toilet.

618
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: So they did, but everyone else could use it too.

619
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 4: Okay, So I had three weeks to so I started

620
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 4: training six days a week, like four hours. Obviously that

621
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 4: didn't cut it. It's not so much that it's I'm

622
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 4: not an athlete. Even if I trained my ass off,

623
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 4: I am not an athlete, and even if I was twenty,

624
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 4: I still think like there's just certain things like I'm

625
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 4: not athletic.

626
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a pilates girl, and there's no challenges where

627
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: there's pilates.

628
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 4: Ind No, they did not have a pilates challenge at all.

629
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: You know, I really love the show and it's really

630
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: fun to watch and you can tell that it's real.

631
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: It's very real, right, the only thing, and you know

632
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: I have I have a production deal at Fox actually

633
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: right now, like it's producing stuff, So I'm not I

634
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: don't want to diss them in any way. They're my homies,

635
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: but the only thing that seemed a little funky to

636
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: me is when they put the thing over your head

637
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: and then they're going, You're going into the room, and

638
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to act. You know what

639
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: if I and my whole thing was I'm gonna go

640
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: sit down and am I taking this seriously? Where they're like,

641
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: you know, fucking in that interrogation setting with the thing

642
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: on your head, I'm like I would normally be like,

643
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: all right, you know, I know, I know this is performative.

644
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: I guess I have to play along.

645
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 4: Yes, And it's funny you said that, because that was

646
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 4: my thing too. I made the decision to disclose things

647
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: that I've never talked about, and it's because I wanted

648
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 4: to keep it like these guys, this is what they do.

649
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 4: And and at the end of the day, when I

650
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 4: did decide to do the show, I wanted to get

651
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 4: out of it as much as I could.

652
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 2: And I have been.

653
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 4: Through a lot of stuff and like all of us,

654
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 4: and so I said some stuff that I was like,

655
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 4: oh fuck. When I finished the show, I was like, gosh,

656
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 4: why the hell did I do you know what I mean?

657
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: Did they air it? They?

658
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: I never watched it. By the way the show. But

659
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: I know they aired a version of it.

660
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 4: Because people brought it up to me and interviews, but

661
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: I couldn't watch it after, you know. But yeah, so

662
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 4: I but I agree with you. Like on one hand,

663
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 4: you're like, okay, we are still doing a TV show, sure,

664
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 4: but how do you far do.

665
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: You take it? But I decided, you know what, fuck it.

666
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: I did this for a reason.

667
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: I think that's the best way to go. I mean,

668
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: even talking to you now, you seem like a very

669
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: open person, and I guess have you made the decision

670
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: just based on your life and how sort of public

671
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: it's been to just talk about it, And is that

672
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: part of why you're doing this reality show as well?

673
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: And I think Charlie's even on the show a little isn't.

674
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 2: Going to be an episode you mean to talk about

675
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: my life?

676
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: Just your life, you know. I mean there's a lot there.

677
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 4: I used to be very private until my divorce when

678
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 4: it was so public.

679
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: There's so much shit.

680
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 4: It was really hard because I went through a period

681
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 4: where people wouldn't hire me because they thought I was

682
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: trying to take down on Charlie and do all this stuff.

683
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 4: And it was so hard for me to accept that

684
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 4: people were judging me based on my personal life and

685
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 4: I really went through I could have gone in a

686
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 4: very dark place, and I.

687
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was so awful to feel like out of.

688
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 4: The I never had bad press, I never had people

689
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 4: say shit about me, and then over night to have

690
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 4: it be that and where I lost jobs and people

691
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 4: wouldn't even and people were talking about me on you know,

692
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 4: the Today's Show and all these talk shows and they

693
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 4: didn't know me. It was based off of their judgment

694
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 4: of me going through a divorce and protecting my kids.

695
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 4: And you know, I didn't want to do mud slinging

696
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 4: with Charlie. I didn't want to do that shit. And

697
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 4: I just had to keep trying.

698
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: To be quiet.

699
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 4: And I got to a point where I just had

700
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 4: to kind of be in a bubble and tell everyone,

701
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 4: like I don't want to hear anything.

702
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: I don't want to.

703
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 4: Read anything if I need to say something, you know.

704
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 4: But and it was actually, to be honest, a blessing

705
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 4: for me because I was always such a people pleaser

706
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 4: and careful what I said in interviews and like wanted

707
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 4: to be the good girl and this and that, and

708
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 4: it was such a blessing for me.

709
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: To be a be my.

710
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 4: True authentic self and people will like me or hate

711
00:37:59,239 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 4: me or whatever.

712
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: I don't get shit.

713
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 4: I'm just me, So I think that's what's how I

714
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 4: now am so open.

715
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: Do you remember that moment where you're like, you know what,

716
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 1: fuck this, I'm living in this bubble?

717
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was that time where it was just so awful.

718
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: And then do you.

719
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: Have a moment though, where you're like, this is everyone

720
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: come to my house, I'm gonna fucking talk.

721
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 4: No, it wasn't about talking. It was about being quiet

722
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 4: and me not me really thinking like I have to.

723
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: I cannot live with the toxic noise. I have to

724
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 4: because if I do, this could go a different path.

725
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 4: I had two little girls that I had to and

726
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 4: my mom was sick at the time, ended up passing away,

727
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 4: and I was just like, I need to focus on

728
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 4: what's really important. And at the end of the day,

729
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 4: who's there for you are the people that are really important,

730
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 4: and that's what I needed to focus on and I

731
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 4: can't worry about you know. My publicist, she's so incredible.

732
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 4: She would have to talk me off the ledge because

733
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 4: so many times I wanted to say stuff and she's like,

734
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 4: be quiet, and she's so right about it, because if

735
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 4: you comment, then it's another story, another story. And then

736
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 4: a few years later, you know, eventually things come out

737
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 4: and then you know, unfortunately Charlie, but Charlie I divorced

738
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 4: was what people started to see, and you know, the

739
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 4: spiral of that whole situation and everything, and.

740
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: Then you know, people started to think, oh, she's not

741
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: the crazy.

742
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 4: She's not not she wasn't trying to destroy That might

743
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 4: be crazy in other ways, but I was, do.

744
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, so I just

745
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: started to change.

746
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 4: But it was the silver lining of all that was

747
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 4: just me being just myself and fuck it.

748
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: But not to say that I.

749
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 4: You know, I don't air dirty long, you know, like

750
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 4: I'm protective still, but it's like at least an open book,

751
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 4: like if you ask me question, I'll answer it truthful,

752
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 4: and I'm not like, yeah, you know, trying to like

753
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 4: be a people pleaser supposed to hear.

754
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it does. It's limits, it's liberating. It was

755
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: actually sure, of course, and you know, with something that

756
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: at least from the outside and when I say the outside,

757
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 1: meaning half of it is probably bullshit. But just because

758
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: of how things get so turned around, but it's it

759
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: was an extremely insanely I don't think toxic is even

760
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: the right word for that kind of a situation. But

761
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: you both have seemed to come out on top, meaning

762
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: he's going to be on your show, you're still parenting.

763
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know, but together, I mean, you know,

764
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: it's not like it's just been split and gone and

765
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: you seem to there's there's some cohesion. I guess through

766
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: all of the insanity.

767
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 4: Always wanted us to be positive in front.

768
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: Of the girls. I never talked bad about their dad

769
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 2: in front of them.

770
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 4: And when times when Charlie was in a good place

771
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 4: and all of that, he was always invited to you know,

772
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 4: family shit, birthdays, holidays, whatever, and times when we would

773
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 4: get together together and times where.

774
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 2: It wasn't wouldn't happen.

775
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 4: And that's okay, but I always I actually sheltered the

776
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 4: kids almost to a point of where now as they're

777
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 4: getting older, they're discovering things, and they were at first

778
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 4: getting upset with me, like why.

779
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: Didn't you tell me that?

780
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 4: How am I going to tell you that? That's like

781
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 4: not a there's no handbook for this.

782
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: Would you have done it? Differently now that you know.

783
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny you said that because I've gone

784
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 4: back and forth with that, like maybe I sheltered them

785
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 4: too much.

786
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: But this is a very relatable start interrupt, and it's

787
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: a very relatable topic. And I think you can probably

788
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: educate people while when people got for real, because you know,

789
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: you are not an anomaly. This shit happens in the

790
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 1: real world all the time. And a parent, someone who

791
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: is the parent who is dealing with their children, and

792
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: someone who is an addict, someone who is going through

793
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: some serious, serious shit, and you know, how do you

794
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: navigate that? You know, do you tell them? Are you like, hey,

795
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: this is who it is, this is who your father is.

796
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: I loved him, He's still your dad. You need to

797
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: know the truth, or everything's fine.

798
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 4: You know what I didn't do. There were times I

799
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 4: did Everything's fine. Like, but if I was at a

800
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 4: school performance and he was supposed to show up and

801
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 4: I get a call something happened sideways, hospital whatever, I'm

802
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 4: not going to tell the kids the truth. I told

803
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 4: them I lied and I said Dad had to work.

804
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 4: You know, he was arrested on Christmas and he called

805
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 4: me from jail to say Mary Christmas to the girls,

806
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 4: and they were busy playing with their toys.

807
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: They're like, we'll talk to the dad later.

808
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 4: I go, I think dad's can be a little busy later,

809
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 4: so let's say so. So I didn't say, uh, your

810
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 4: dad just got fucking arrested, and he said, also, come

811
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 4: say Merry Christmas right now.

812
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: That's smart shit, of course, thank you. Yes, I mean

813
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: come on, I know. Yeah, it's like but Santa came,

814
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like, yeah.

815
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 4: Some of the things were so outrageously bad where I'm like,

816
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 4: I can't say that. So I did lie, and I

817
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 4: sugarcoated and I protected him. And also, like I said,

818
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 4: with some of the ship he would say in the

819
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 4: press and crept like that.

820
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 2: I didn't tell the kids.

821
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 4: I would about you know, I would just say I

822
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 4: wanted to protect their relationship. And I wanted my girls

823
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 4: to always get to know their dad for Charlie, not

824
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 4: for their dad meaning not meaning you know, I didn't

825
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 4: want them to put honestly and Charlie, he and I

826
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 4: have had these conversations. You know, there was a time

827
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 4: he was so I didn't know if he was going

828
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 4: to live, and I didn't want the girls to ever

829
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 4: get to know their dad, what they would read. I

830
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 4: wanted to see their experience in their relationship. And I

831
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 4: also didn't want to put on them my feelings because

832
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 4: that's not fair to them.

833
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 2: And their relationship with him.

834
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 4: I always wanted things and I even told Charlie, I

835
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,479
Speaker 4: don't care if you're pissed at me, Let's have dinner

836
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 4: with the girls. Just fucking suck it up, because there

837
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 4: are daughters. They don't deserve to have their family split.

838
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 4: And you know, and now your other ex wife and

839
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 4: your kid, you know what I mean, Like, let's all

840
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 4: keep it harmonious as much as possible. So that's still

841
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 4: to this day, I still try to do it.

842
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: I'm not in a similar situation. You know. Again, I

843
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: told you my dad and I have reconnected and things

844
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: are good. But you know, it was not a great divorce.

845
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: And you know, he did a lot of press back

846
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: in the day, really like hitting mom hard, and you know,

847
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: it was very public, and it wasn't like it is now, obviously,

848
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, because it was back then. But Mom made

849
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: a point of never bad mouthing my dad and then

850
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: even wrote me a letter that I still have. It

851
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: was a whole letter that She wrote about why she

852
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: married him and what an amazing man he was and is,

853
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: and how funny he is and how much like all

854
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: the good things about me, you know, that are from him,

855
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: and it was just incredible to read. And it was

856
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: not it was not something just to do because she

857
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: felt like she had to think. She felt that and

858
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: that I needed to know that, right, you know, because

859
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 1: there's been still so much negativity that she's like, well,

860
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, understanding that I am half his blood is

861
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: running through me, right, and there could be a time

862
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: where I wonder, oh my god, am I if half

863
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: of me tainted? But that's not how it works. She

864
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: wanted me to understand that your father is an amazing

865
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: person and I never would have married him if you right,

866
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: exactly so. And I think that's important, you know, because

867
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: when you married Charlie, and I mean you did it

868
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: for real, he was fucking awesome and talented, funny and

869
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: all of the great things. And your daughters have that absolutely.

870
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 4: And I am so grateful to him. Without him, I

871
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 4: wouldn't have.

872
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: My daughter, and we have.

873
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 4: Our journey has been very unique, but it was meant

874
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 4: to be, and you know, and it is up and

875
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 4: down and it's okay.

876
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: But you know, at the end of the day.

877
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 4: I know if I needed some I could call him

878
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 4: and he knows I will always be.

879
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: There for him.

880
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 4: And you know, and it is important, I think for

881
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 4: coming from my parents stayed married and to my mom

882
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 4: till death, do us Park, you know, so I don't

883
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 4: know what it's like to grow up with a split family,

884
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 4: And so it's interesting also to hear from you, like

885
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 4: what you know, the letter your mom wrote, because I

886
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 4: do think it's important for kids to cure the good. Yeah,

887
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 4: And you're in a unique situation, just like Mike. Not

888
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 4: everyone's children are exposed to it publicly, but it could

889
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 4: be their public, whether it's at school, whether it's the

890
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 4: small town knows everything that's going on with the family.

891
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: That's their public, you know what I mean. So where

892
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: all the neighbors know that going on.

893
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: And that's so hard for your yeahs navigating that ship.

894
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: Oh my god, especially as they get older now and

895
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 1: they're able to sort of think for themselves and read

896
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: for themselves, and everything's right there and you know, this

897
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: is what happened, and dad has this and he had

898
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: HIV or whatever. It's like, what the fuck I mean, yeah,

899
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: that must be so well. I'm just saying even for them, yes,

900
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: but even for you, just like, oh fuck, okay, here

901
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: we go. They're older ladies. Now how do we How

902
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: do I deal with this ship? And then it's up

903
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: to Charlie too, I think, you know, I don't know

904
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: him at all, but just to say, hey, let me

905
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: sit down with you for a second and explain my life. Yeah,

906
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: we all, we all. It all comes from something, you know.

907
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: I I've done want to work on myself and dealing

908
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: with my parents and my dad and my own afflictions.

909
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: You know. I went to the Hoffmann Institute and I

910
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: fucking dug deep. And when you can find compassion and

911
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: resolve for the people who may have, you know, hurt

912
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: you and not meant to hurt you, but just have

913
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: with their actions, you understand that there's a reason for that.

914
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: And if you dig back into their lives, if you

915
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: dig back into Charlie's life as a child, in his childhood,

916
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: we can find the patterns that are existing. So while

917
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: of course it is his fault, at the same time,

918
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: there are reasons and it's not all your fault, you know,

919
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: And and you know that helped me a lot with forgiveness,

920
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: finding the compassion as an older person, really feeling that compassion,

921
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: which then allowed me to truly forgive, you know, and

922
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: it's been healing.

923
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: Did this happen after you had your kids?

924
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yes exactly.

925
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 4: I think with girls, I think the real forgiveness will

926
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 4: be one after they have children, and they'll be.

927
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: Up to you know, maybe totally you know, yeah, I

928
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: mean I think they have to want it, number one,

929
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: be forced upon them, Like you need to work on

930
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: yourself so you can forgive your dad so that you

931
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: can be a better person and not repeat these patterns,

932
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. When I was a kid,

933
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: I remember I was, you know, sixteen years old or

934
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: fourteen years old, and Mom was just ripping on me,

935
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 1: like what is wrong? What is wrong? You know, because

936
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: I was going through those tough times at school and

937
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: you know whatever, and I just fell to the ground

938
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: sort of sobbing, saying I don't want to be like

939
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: my dad, you know, and I missed him. I needed him,

940
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: I wanted him, even though Kurt was my father and

941
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: in my life, and I just didn't like the way

942
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: that it felt not to have him in my life

943
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: and I made a decision in that moment that I

944
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: would never do that to my children, you know. So

945
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: I sort of broke the pattern in that moment to

946
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: the point where I might be hyper parent. You know,

947
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: if I miss one little thing, I'm like, oh my god,

948
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: they're all fucked up. They're going to know. It's like

949
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: I've abandoned them and I missed, like I'm working in

950
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: Toronto and I missed like a you know, a morning

951
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: meeting at their school. And now I think that they're

952
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: going to be But I made that choice. I made

953
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: that choice, and that was earlier on, that was before

954
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: I had So I think sometimes our trauma, you know,

955
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: we can either swim in it and repeat it, or

956
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: we can look at it from you know, a different

957
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: perspective and step away from it and say, Okay, I

958
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: don't want to be that, and I'm going to make

959
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: sure that I am not that.

960
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 2: You know, You're still like, you're such an amazing dad.

961
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: I love being a dad. It's hard, I know, but

962
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: I do. I dig it. I mean, it's a number.

963
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: It's a definite priority for me. I mean, I won't

964
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: work in New York on TV shows for six, you know,

965
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: for six years I have to be around to the

966
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: detriment of my career, honestly.

967
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it.

968
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: I've made this my priority, you know. Sure, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

969
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nothing like that's amazing.

970
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: No, it's great. I mean it's great. It's amazing. And

971
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: we don't know. I like, you know, we don't know.

972
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: We don't know. We think we're doing it right. I

973
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: think I don't fucking know. We all do it differently,

974
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: you know. And I've said this a thousand times. It's

975
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: not it's not if we fuck up ours. It's just

976
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: to what degree that's true, you know, I know, it's

977
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: to what degree we're doing our best under these circumstances.

978
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: It's true.

979
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 4: You know, we're trying hard, We're trying as best as

980
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 4: we can.

981
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So talk about your show a little bit.

982
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: I want to hear what is it on?

983
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: What? Oh?

984
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 4: So it's on It's on Bravo andesday nights at nine

985
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 4: o'clock and then the next night on Peacock. And I

986
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 4: believe our season finale is Tuesday, and uh, you know

987
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 4: it was I did Housewives at Beverly Hills and Ali

988
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 4: does that He approached me about doing a family reality show,

989
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 4: and so we decided let's do it, and.

990
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 2: It's been good.

991
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: Is this the first season?

992
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: It's our first season.

993
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: Was it hard when you approach the girls? Was it

994
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 1: like okay, you know that? Were they down? Was it like, mom,

995
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this?

996
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 4: Well, so Sammy the oldest, she was, I definitely want

997
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 4: to do it.

998
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: Mom, like we need cameras because our life.

999
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 4: Is so great. Lola was at first, she was like,

1000
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 4: I'm not sure, and she was concerned with because of

1001
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 4: her faith, and I told her it's also an opportunity

1002
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 4: for her to inspire people who are wanting to explore

1003
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 4: that or want to share their faith too. But anyway,

1004
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 4: I did. She I didn't want to If no one

1005
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 4: wanted to do it, obviously we wouldn't be doing a

1006
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 4: family show.

1007
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: And what about Aaron?

1008
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: Aaron was he'll support what.

1009
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 4: He's like, sure after the Housewives, He's like, sure, whatever

1010
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 4: you want want to.

1011
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: Do, this will be compared.

1012
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, although there were times I was like I wish

1013
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 4: I was fighting with those bitches.

1014
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and then Charlie. Did you have to say

1015
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: to Charlie, hey.

1016
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 4: We're doing the show. You need to support your daughters. Yeah,

1017
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 4: film with us.

1018
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. Yeah, well Denise, thanks for hanging out

1019
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: for a little bit.

1020
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 2: It's so good to talk to you know.

1021
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: It was fun. And yeah, I'll see you around.

1022
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: I'll see you around. And if you do Special Forces

1023
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 2: then call me.

1024
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: I know, I will, I will.

1025
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: All right, cool, thank you so much.

1026
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: All right, see you later. Been through a lot and

1027
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: it's crazy ship, crazy ship, but she's navigating it now.

1028
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 4: It's just.

1029
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: What am I gonna do right now? I Am going

1030
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: to do a cold plunge. Yeah, the Special Forces thing.

1031
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: You know. I was just scared. Hey, guys, don't tell anyone,

1032
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: but I was like scared, and I didn't really want

1033
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: to work out and get ready for it, and I

1034
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: didn't want to go to like whales. But I don't know,

1035
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: maybe I'll do it next time. I'm gonna leave. I'm

1036
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: gonna leave, goodbye.