1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: She's better known for the things that she does on 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: the mattress. Whoa, And then she changed the lyrics to 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: he was a moth to the flame. She was holding 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: the mattress whoa. 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 2: Oh that's cool. 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I like the slutshame version better. 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: She's sheen a me, no mate, not my mate? 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 3: Yo yoo? 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: No, what is your child? 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: I am a shocker? 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 2: You know what's going down? Before like. 12 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 1: Round. I saw this clip on Twitter the other day. 13 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: Sorry X no, we're not calling at that, We're going 14 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: And it was when Riverdale ended and someone was like, 15 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to miss the show, and it was a 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: clip of one of the moms going up to one 17 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: of the other moms and being like, I heard your 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: daughter was getting slut shamed at school. That's what happens 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: when sluts get shamed, which I thought was very funny. 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: Riverdale is amazing, honestly, I mean just a small just 21 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: a small aside. I watched many seasons of Riverdale. I 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: don't know if the Virgins know this about me. I 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 2: became very obsessed. I think up until season four, right 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: around the time where Archie gets sent to like penitentiary 25 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: prison and like plays basketball with all of his prisonmates, 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 2: and I think. 27 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: That does any gay stuff happen? 28 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that the one gay guy on 29 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 2: the show has like is like in a kind of 30 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: grinder relationship at this point. And I'm pretty sure. 31 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: No, but no gay stuff happens with Archie in prison. 32 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: I don't think. No, not with Archie. No, not with Archie. 33 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: Well that's the thing is, like I know, maybe one 34 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: of them gets like yeah, I don't know, no, but 35 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: Archie's never gay. And when the show ended and I 36 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: haven't been keeping up, it's apparently gone. 37 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 3: Off off the off, the off the rails, like like 38 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 3: it's now just multiple universes horror fantasy, like everybody fucking everybody. 39 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: And in the final episode they revealed that the four 40 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: of them Betty Juughhead, Archie and Ica and Camilla Mendez 41 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: Ken does are We're in a quad relationship, which is 42 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: essentially a poly foursome. And that is so disrespectful, so 43 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: disrespectful to goad us with a polyphor way and not 44 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 2: show us Jughead taking it up the bum bum like sorry, 45 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 2: like that is rude. I needed someone. 46 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, does it make you mad enough to want to 47 00:02:58,880 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: kill someone? 48 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: Yes? Oh yeah, I forgot we're here to talk about 49 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: so anyways, once again there's an adderall shortage. 50 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: Right, don't worry. I will be your adderall. 51 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll be my adderall be on adderall. 52 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: So we are here today to talk about the two 53 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: thousand and three film Kill Bill and sequel kill Bill two, 54 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Uma Thurman, Fox and Lucy Lou. Yes, 55 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: we recently. Well, I watched the first movie a couple 56 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: weeks ago, and then Fran and I watched part two 57 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: last week. And I hadn't seen Kill Bill in over 58 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: a decade. 59 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 60 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: And let me tell you, when these movies came out, 61 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: I made them my whole personality. 62 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. I also I had cousins that were obsessed with them, 63 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: that were like film people, and so I become obsessed 64 00:03:54,040 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: with them kind of tangentially. Yeah, I I what do 65 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: you What did you latch onto about them? Well? 66 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: I think the Well, okay, let's be real. First of all, 67 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: it's all about kill Bill one. Yeah, all of the 68 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: iconic visuals, lines, sequences are all in the first movie, 69 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: and the second movie feels like a very long coda 70 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: in many ways. There are good moments, but it's all 71 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: about the first movie. It's about the yellow jumpsuit. It's 72 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: about the anime scene. It's about it's about a tear 73 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: the fucking bitch apart. It's about Nikiya Niki so good. 74 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: I love that Vivica a Fox. Let's have us a 75 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: knife fight. Yeah, it's about fucking when she cuts the 76 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: arm off that bitch. It's about the band in the restaurant. 77 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's about that the lucy luccene in 78 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: the boardroom. Oh yeah, the guy. Now, it's the fucking time. 79 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: It's about silly coccade Asian girl likes to play with Samurai. 80 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: So yes, okay, So here's the thing. I I feel like, Okay, no, 81 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: Quentin Tarantino, But unfortunately these films are like we're are 82 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: like cinematic invention and like totally genius on the format level. 83 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: A lot of the time. 84 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: He put his whole. 85 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 2: Into that, And like, we hate Quentin Tarantino, but we're 86 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: not going to deny the fact that these are good 87 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 2: fucking films. 88 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, even all the lingering shots of feet. Yeah, and 89 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: I think that wiggle wiggle you're big. 90 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: You know that, quin No, not let me not go there. 91 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 4: Oh you know, oh god, he's big, big, Okay. 92 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: I I think it's lovely that the films are called 93 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: Volume one and Volume two, because obviously, in American cinema 94 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: we treat everything as like a sequel, a sequel, a sequel, 95 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 2: it's a reboot, and it's like no, in actuality, these 96 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: two films are one film, and I personally, when I 97 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: watch them, like, I view them as one film and 98 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: Volume two is a just as you said, like a 99 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 2: denu mat to the rest of the story, and therefore 100 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: is kind of boring it. 101 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: Honestly, like it makes me wonder should it just have 102 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: been edited in order of the kills or But because 103 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: the thing is, the end of the first film is perfect, perfect, 104 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: and the climax and the ending with Lucy Lou is 105 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: the way that first movie should end. But it's not 106 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: the end of the story. That's actually that's her first kill. 107 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, well she kills Vivica. 108 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: No, I think she's already killed Lucy when she kills 109 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: Vivica a fox? 110 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: What hold on? 111 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: Let me let me pull up I think, so, let 112 00:06:53,120 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: me pull up her kills kill bill kill list. Yeah, 113 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: Oren is shee is number one, So it's Oren Vernita 114 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: bud Elle and Bill got it, so that would have Yeah, 115 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: you can't start the movies with her killing Oren, because 116 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: that is the most exciting part of both films. 117 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: These are based on a comic book. 118 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: Right, No, no, no, They're based on a character that Quentin 119 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: Tarantino and Uma Thurman created together because you know, they 120 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: had worked together on pulp fiction. They were great friends, 121 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: and they sort of conceptualized this idea of the bride 122 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: together and made these movies. 123 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: Oh, that's so cool, it's so cool. It's how films 124 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: should be made. It makes me so mad at that 125 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: Quentin Tarantino is such a piece of shit. But honestly, well, okay, 126 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: I don't want to go right into the negative. But 127 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: we already talked about how much we love these films. 128 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: So well, let's talk more about the why they gripped 129 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: us the way. Yeah they did when we were teenagers, 130 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: because I don't think I had like we've talked before 131 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: about how there were certain movies or pop culture experiences 132 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: that I had as a teenager that like opened me 133 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: up to a specific side of pop culture, and like, 134 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, like I talked about how Garden State was 135 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: really my introduction to indie movies and like that kind 136 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:19,559 Speaker 1: of like quieter, character driven story. And I do think 137 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: for kill Bill, this was the first time I saw 138 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: a film that was like like an outeur film, you know, 139 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: like yeah, and also something that was so referential of 140 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: an entire genre that I had never experienced before, which is, 141 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: you know, like westerns and Mars Samurai movies and revenge 142 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: films and martial arts movies. And it was the first 143 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: time that I understood that filmmakers like existed in conversation 144 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: with the movies that came before them. Yeah. 145 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. It was also probably the first kind of utter 146 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 2: film I ever saw, too, And I think that I 147 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: felt like I was inspired to be a filmmaker because 148 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: of in part Kill Bill, Wow Yeah and kill Bill, 149 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: and also like Mulan Bruge, like Baslerman honestly, but like 150 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: just like I just remember two maximalists Bosler you know me. 151 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 2: I love maximalism. And the thing that I think really 152 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: sticks to me about Kill Bill still to this day, 153 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: as we just rewatched volume two and you just watch 154 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: volume one, is that the visual language of the film 155 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: is still so strong it stands on its own. Most 156 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: of it is not derivative of anything. It's just like 157 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 2: fully his art. 158 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: Obviously, it's like I mean, it's derivative, but in a 159 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: in a way reference full of reverence. Yes, obviously he 160 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: has lots of reverence for Westerns and lots of reverence 161 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: for these kind of like Eastern like martial arts movies, 162 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: which you know, there's a whole other kind of like 163 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: nuanced problema to conversation have about that that we're not 164 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: going to have here on this podcast. But yeah, I 165 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: just like I was so struck by the specificity. And 166 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: I you know me, I like movies about revenge. I 167 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: like movies about women. I like movies that are violent, 168 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: and this has all of all of those things. It 169 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: has everything. It has all these hot cunty women killing 170 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: each other with swords, with swords with swords. Like there's 171 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: so few guns used in this movie, which is something 172 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: I really appreciate. Like obviously at the beginning there's a gun, 173 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: but like it is so like all of these ideas 174 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: about sort of like honor and revenge, and like there's 175 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: no there's no morality placed on the bride aka Beatrix 176 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: Kiddo for wanting her revenge, Like we we support her 177 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 1: and I do think, said her killing spree. 178 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. 179 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: This is at a time when there was sort of 180 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: a moralistic like view grafted onto mainstream media that we 181 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: should be watching good people do like triumph over. 182 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: Bad, especially women. Like yeah, oh like if if there's 183 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 2: a woman character, she's not allowed to be bad or 184 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: or a killer at all. 185 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I loved that this character was a mother 186 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: and was also like the most dangerous assassin in the world. 187 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 2: It's so cool if only she had broken out her 188 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: southern drawl that she brings into red wine and royal. Yeah. No, 189 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: I really I love these movies. I feel like Go 190 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 2: Go is my gender, Like I feel like I feel 191 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 2: like there's something about. 192 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: The Halloween costume for you go Go Ubari. 193 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 2: It would I just like any sort of hard femme, 194 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: Like there's something about the evil femme that I've always 195 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: been attracted to, whether it's like Mole the Scent, or 196 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: like Beatrix or Lucy Lou. Honestly, like these are I 197 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: don't know. I just I'm addicted to stories like that, 198 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: and it feels so basic sometimes because now we're seeing 199 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: this twenty twenties kind of girl bossification of villains, which 200 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: with things like I care a lot, which you very 201 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 2: just you and I very much so disagree about. But 202 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: like you know, the girl bossification of villains is like 203 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: a very it's like they're treating it like it's new again. 204 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 2: And Quan Tarantino, Quan Tarantina, what's like doing this a 205 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: long time ago? Yeah, and like doing it without I 206 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: mean I can't I can't say that I was aware 207 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: of the media narrative around it at the time and 208 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: like what they talked about, but there's not there doesn't 209 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: seem to be any big ideas about feminism in these films. Yeah, 210 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: it's really they are the type of violent revenge stories 211 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: that had existed for decades, just with women placed in 212 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: the lead roles and very little conversation about that. 213 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: Like there were there were not a lot of moments 214 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: in these movies where men were like devaluing or second 215 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: guessing these women because they were women, like they were 216 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: they were killers, yea, And like that was just presented 217 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: in sort of a very matter of fact way that 218 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: I think was pretty progressive for the time, but like 219 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: didn't maybe we didn't try to like pat itself on 220 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: the back for it. 221 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. And yeah, and also just like on top of 222 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: the like the effortlessness of it all that you're kind 223 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: of describing. On top of that, there's this thing that 224 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 2: I just tend to love in movies. It's the thing 225 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: that'll make me remember a movie is when a director 226 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: understands how fucking weird they are and they figure out 227 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: how to lean into it and that and that like 228 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: kill Bill, these are weird movies, like really weird movies 229 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: that do things that you are like, wait, what's happening 230 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: sometimes if you're seeing it for the first time. And 231 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 2: that's why, you know, I kind of loved Barbie or 232 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: loved like everything everwhere all at once, or like when 233 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: these movie when movies like this triumph, I'm always just 234 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: like I love that a weird movie got somewhere, because 235 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: these days, the only movies that are successful are the 236 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 2: ones that are following formulas like I mean, we're gonna 237 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: talk about Marvel again, but you know what I mean. 238 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: Like and kill Bill was at the time was unlike 239 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: anything that existed, and it. 240 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: Was outside of obviously Western movies and like martial arts no, but. 241 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: I mean movies that like mainstream films that were getting 242 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: not a time and it was a huge hit like 243 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: it Kill Bill dominated culture. I didn't even know that, 244 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: and it was a huge success that had a thirty 245 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: million dollar budget and the it made one hundred and 246 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: eighty million dollars at the box office, so it was 247 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: a huge hit and it was Tarantino's like biggest hit 248 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: at the time. And I just remember like the references 249 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: of it were everywhere because the the imagery of it 250 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: is so iconic that I think it really permeated culture 251 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: at the time, and they were like I was just 252 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,359 Speaker 1: obsessed with it, Like I wanted a Samurai sword. 253 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: Obviously. 254 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: I wanted those like yellow Acex she was wearing. I 255 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: actually did recently, but did their only Zuca tigers, and 256 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: I did recently buy a pair of Oh yeah you. 257 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: Did, and now I want them to I do feel 258 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: like the movie, the Kill Bill movies did move me 259 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: to go watch every subsequent Quentin Tarantino film, and I 260 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: also watched pulp Fiction, which I thought was a little boring. 261 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 2: I have not seen the most recent one he did 262 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: another Western recently that I haven't seen. 263 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: Well, I've the only movies of his I've seen are 264 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: The Kill Bills, Pulp Fiction, and Once upon a Time 265 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: in Hollywood. I've never seen Jackie Brown. I've never seen 266 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: Reservoir Dogs. 267 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: I thought he just produced that. I don't remember. 268 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I can't say that. I'm like a 269 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: huge fan of him, but these movies I am a 270 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: fan of. Has he been canceled in any way? 271 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: No? No, I mean not effectively. No. There are a 272 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: bunch of women that came forward to talk about the 273 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: ways they were maybe not treated correctly on set. But 274 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: I think the fact that like Lupita has been silent, 275 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: and that like Margaret Robbie was like weirdly defensive. She's like, no, no, no, 276 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: I love being in movies where I only have five lines. 277 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: It's like great, Like this is like so amazing. 278 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: It's like, oh yeah, because she said nothing once upon 279 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: a time. 280 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: Noting anyways, it's infuriating. But no, I don't think he's 281 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: been effectively canceled. And it's kind of wild because he 282 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: really is a textbook abuser. And if you have seen 283 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: literally any any interview with him, or if you've ever 284 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: heard Fiona Apple talk about dating him, we all know 285 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: he's a bad person. 286 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he also is sorry, horrendously. 287 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: Ugly, horrendously ugly can we say that, thank you, but. 288 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: You know, he may he put his whole pussy, he 289 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: put his whole terranuzzy into at the very least kill 290 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: Bill one, like kill Bill two, Kill Bill two feels 291 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: the fact that there's two of them feels a bit masturbatory, 292 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: oh and like indulgent. And I do think and I 293 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: even remember as a teenager leaving the second movie, and 294 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: it might have been the first time like as a 295 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: like as like consciously as a young adult that I 296 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: experienced like the disappointment of thinking that a piece of 297 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: art was bad rather than just like I didn't like it. 298 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 1: I think I left it being like, oh, that's not 299 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: as good as it could have been, and helped me 300 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: sort of like in building my like taste when it 301 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: came to art. But yeah, I just remember like thinking 302 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: it was really like unnecessary. 303 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, we were talking about it when we were watching it. 304 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: And you know, if I'm thinking about the two of 305 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: these movies as one film, which is kind of how 306 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 2: I see that, I feel like only the last half 307 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 2: of Volume two was when I was just like, all right, 308 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 2: this is about as good as like the last thirty 309 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: minutes of the Lord of the Rings trilogy which I 310 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: think is extremely boring and unnecessary. 311 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: The last thirty minutes of Kilbill two is like all talking. Yes, 312 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: it's so allot Beatrix and Bill talking. 313 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 2: And masturbatory is exactly the word. And these are these 314 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 2: are the parts of the films where I'm just like, Okay, 315 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: this was like during an era of movies where they 316 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 2: let white men do literally anything they want with this script. 317 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: And it's like these and then the male characters will 318 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: just talk and talk and talk and talk, and there's 319 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 2: always just a girl like sitting there like listening for 320 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: like no reason, not saying anything. It's like, okay, Quentin Tarantino, Like, 321 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: these are the parts where it's just like we we 322 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 2: we get it, we get it, we get it. But 323 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: I still loved Volume two. Well. 324 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: The fight with Daryl Hannah is the best part of 325 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: the movie. And when she snatches her eye out at 326 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: the end, Wow, and Daryl Hannah screaming like after she's 327 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: been pluck. Yeah, so good. And what Daryl Hannah is incredible? 328 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: She an icon, She's so hot and I her. I 329 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: was obsessed with her boots while we were watching the movie. 330 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: And I really need a county pair of black pointy toe. 331 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: You were on essence, Like as soon as those boots, 332 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I was sitting there watching the movie, 333 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 2: like searching the essenil rest in peace, And. 334 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: I still have not found a good pair of County 335 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: l from kill Bill boots. But you know, I will 336 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: keep looking. Who of all of the people on the 337 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: kill list, on the kill list, who would you most 338 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: want to fight or who would you be the most 339 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: afraid to fight. 340 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 2: I would be most afraid to fight Lucy Lou. I 341 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 2: would want to fight Bud. Yeah, he was like I 342 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 2: thought that when he buried her the in volume two, 343 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: Like I just vividly remember that scene as a child 344 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: in how Like it's very viscerally horrifying. 345 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, the sound design is so really scary suffocating. 346 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, really scary. And yeah, so him, I think is 347 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: like he has like the most deserved revenge, Like I 348 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 2: would love to kill also just a man, of course, 349 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 2: what about you? 350 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: I think I would also be the most scared to 351 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: fight o Renihie just because she's sickening and she also 352 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: has the most sort of infrastructure. 353 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 2: Around her protecting her to kill eighty eight people? Wait, 354 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: is it the crazy eighty eight the crazy idea? You 355 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 2: have to kill eighty eight people before. 356 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: And then who would I want to fight the most. 357 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily saying like who who I think needs 358 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: to die the most? But I would want to fight 359 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: Vernita Green Vic Fox the most because that is like, 360 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: there's a reason why that's the first fight in the movie, 361 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: because it sets the tone so perfectly. 362 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: Yes, and I love And the thing that I love 363 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: about the tone throughout the film is this kind of 364 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 2: like blistering violence, shock, horror, high sticks and then pause, joke, 365 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 2: let's talk normal. It's funny that we're talking normal. We're 366 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: actually just average people. We just also kill each other sometimes. 367 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 2: Like it's so I just love that dissonance and the language. 368 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, the language, and like the monologuing, the way that 369 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: people say things is so specific and like, yes, there 370 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: are some very dark stuff that happens that's intercut with 371 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: things that are very funny, like when you find out 372 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: that the nurse of the hospital has been charging men 373 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: to rape for years, but. 374 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 2: Then the revenge becomes so much sweeter satisfying. 375 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: Well, she when she kills both of them. 376 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: And she's like, your. 377 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: Name's Buck right, and you like to fuck right? And 378 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: then kills him it's so satisfying. 379 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 2: God it is. I love revenge fantasies. Revenge fantasy should 380 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 2: be a mainstream genre. That is like busting the summer 381 00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 2: box offices. 382 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: Also, without kill Bill, we would never have gotten the 383 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: pussy Wagon and the telephone music video. 384 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I forgot. 385 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: And just for that, Tarantino deserves to have his ass. 386 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: Ha no one lick, one lick, one lick, not by me, 387 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: but by someone. 388 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 2: No, no, no, He's had his ass like plenty of times. 389 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: It's true, I am, but he's never cleaned it. 390 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: He's never cleaned it. No, I mean, Fionda Apple probably 391 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 2: hasn't eaten his hass. I think she loves herself a 392 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 2: little too much. Do you think Tarantina Apple has eaten 393 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 2: Tarantina's ass? 394 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: Unfortunately? Unfortunately? 395 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: I do think. 396 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: If you were on a revenge quest, what would be 397 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: your weapon of choice? 398 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to not pick samurai sword. I would 399 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: think maybe two twin swords would be pretty dope. 400 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: Very like I'm playing right now has two swords. I 401 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: would love twin steel s. 402 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, silver steel for humans, got it, didn't I 403 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 2: didn't know that Now I know I would definitely do 404 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 2: twin swords, and my revenge fantasy would be against maybe 405 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 2: a esthetician who botched a gender firming a piece of 406 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 2: for me. 407 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: Sorry, I don't mean to last because it's a joke, 408 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: but it's not. 409 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Okay, let's talk about this. I have 410 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: multiple nemesy. You do multiple, and I will not be 411 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 2: naming them on this podcast. And because I really don't 412 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: have that many, but I have tried and true people 413 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 2: that if I saw them on the street, my face 414 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 2: would turn red. And and who are those people? 415 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 3: For? You? 416 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: Can? You? 417 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: Can you think of anybody? Actually? I think we saw 418 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: one on. 419 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: Well, no, I have who Oh yes, I wouldn't call 420 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: him an nemesis. 421 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 2: He kind of hime. 422 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, someone else called him an nemesis. He's 423 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: not really my nemesis. That gives him a little too 424 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: much power. 425 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I had. 426 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: An nemesis who died, but I had I've had no 427 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: part in his death. 428 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 2: Oh I don't even know who this guy is. Yeah, 429 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 2: well we could cut it. 430 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: But my nemesis was oh my anyway, God. So if 431 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: I was going to go on a revenge spree, my 432 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: weapon of choice, I think i'd want to do daggers 433 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: because I did throw. I am like I don't have 434 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: good eye coordination. But on a vacationion recently, we were 435 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: playing darts and I was pretty good at it. So 436 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: I like daggers because you can throw them. But then 437 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: they're also for close up combat and it feels very 438 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: personal when you stab someone with a dagger. 439 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. You want to be right there seeing 440 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: their eye color, smelling their their glossier, you perfume. 441 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: I don't think I would be I don't think I 442 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: would have a gun, but I would be very skilled 443 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: in martial arts. 444 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 2: I would love to be martial artist. I would also 445 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 2: love a bow and arrow. 446 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: What about a crossbow? 447 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: No, I would want a bow an arrow, I would 448 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 2: I would want my full like Catnus Legols fantasy. I 449 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 2: think crossbow is too militant. 450 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: Oh maybe I'll have an axe. 451 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 2: I don't want anything that resembles give me. Oh, an 452 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 2: axe would be. 453 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: What would your okay so Beatrix Kiddo the bride, her 454 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: iconic look is the yellow track suit. What would your 455 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: iconic revenge fantasy look? 456 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: Bem, do you have an answer for this? I'm thinking 457 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 2: Schiparelli he had to toe gold armor SCHEPERELLI yeah, I 458 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 2: think it's got I think it's got to be black leather, 459 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: like classic black leather, a really cunty boot, like a 460 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 2: long braid hanging down, because you know, you can't be 461 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 2: fighting with your hair in your face. Yeah, it's got 462 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: to be giving. Mortal Kombat, it's got to give. It 463 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: be giving like street fodder, Frighter, it's got to be giving. 464 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 2: Finish them, yeah, yeah, them, you know, finish them, them, 465 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: Finish they them, finish Zezer. 466 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: Finish folks. Would you feel comfortable with civilians dying in 467 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: the line of fire in your quest for vengeance? 468 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 2: If it was my fault, that would be pretty I would. 469 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: I would probably have a existential crisis in okay. But 470 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 2: but but if it was someone else's fault, I don't 471 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: think I would. I would really hold on to that. 472 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: Would you kill someone whose child was upstairs, like the 473 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: to Bernita Green, and then would you tell the child 474 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: that they could come seek vengeance from you? 475 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: I thought that was very fair and balanced of her. 476 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: And you know, just like, listen, if you're still mad 477 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 2: about this, you can come find mommy. 478 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: If you're still pressed, if you're so salty and. 479 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 2: Can come, well, tell your mommy. 480 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: And you know, Quentin Tarantino always said that he wanted 481 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: to make a sequel years in the future, but I 482 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: feel like recently he said something that like that's probably 483 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 1: never gonna happen, really, which is such a Bummercuse. 484 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Vivica's daughter like for volume three and volume four. 485 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 2: That means it's an entirely new protagonist. And then Uma 486 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 2: Thurman gets to be the big bad like that's fucking sick. 487 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: That would be so oh my god. 488 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: And then and then we could have Uma Thurman's daughter 489 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 1: get all grown up. 490 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I know we cast India and everything, 491 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: but Zindia would be would be so good and oh 492 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: my god, wait wait wait total aside. Yes, I was 493 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 2: supposed to talk about this and chit chat I did 494 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 2: see The Greatest Showman. We need to talk about this 495 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 2: in our next chit chat virgins. Don't worry, we'll talk 496 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: about it. No no, no, not a full episode. But 497 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 2: I have to tell you you loved it, No, I 498 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 2: I love I thought that it was a near perfect, 499 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 2: perfectly constructed film that is not really for me, that 500 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: had excellent music and brilliant twists, and was well acted. 501 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 2: It's just not really for me, but the music is 502 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 2: so good. Anyways, I bring this up, right, I bring 503 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: this up because in a future episode we'll talk about 504 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: my many takeaways. But the biggest one of the one 505 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 2: of the bigger takeaways that I took away was was 506 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: first and foremost, Zendaia needs to be in a good movie, 507 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: and she needs to be in a good musical. Like 508 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: Greatest Showman is great, but it's not a good musical 509 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: or a good movie for Zendaea. 510 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: Kill Bill three the musical, That's what I'm saying, Kill 511 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: Bell three the musical, Gil three the Musical Star but 512 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: it's not directed by Quentin Taranty. 513 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 2: No, no, no, Well that's that. That's the other problem 514 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: is that those movies couldn't be made because he would 515 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: have his reckoning immediately. 516 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, Kill Bill three the Musical directed by 517 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: Karen Kusama. 518 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 2: He I feel like Quentin Tarantino high key made a 519 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: whole ass other film that no one talked about. It 520 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 2: was another Western that no one talked about. Wasn't it 521 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 2: called like the Hateful Eight? It was after Django and Chained, 522 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: Like when did Hateful Eight come out? I don't know, 523 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying I think he's like fully making 524 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 2: movies that no one talks about. 525 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: Entry like Inglorious Bastards. 526 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 2: Yes, that was actually really funny. 527 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: I didn't see it. 528 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was like a successful Quentin Tarantino 529 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: project because he's not trying to write for black people, 530 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: which is like really hard. It's hard to hear the 531 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 2: script sometimes on some of these other movies. 532 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: The thing that sucks about Quentin Tarantino is obviously he's 533 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: like probably a bad person. And you know, I'm not 534 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: the kind of person who like measures my the things 535 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: I like or alters the things I like based on 536 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: other people who like them. But the worst men in 537 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: the world love Quentin Tarantino, yep, and so and that 538 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: is I don't like the intersection. 539 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: I don't like being among the worst men I know. 540 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: So that's why I'm glad that of his movies, the 541 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: ones I love are the girly ones, you know. And 542 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure that all the fucking horrible dudes out there 543 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: who love Tarantino don't love Kill Bill. 544 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 2: Well, they probably like pulp fiction more, yeah, like which 545 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: is sorry, a kind of boring movie, But they probably 546 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 2: love reservoir dogs. The masturbatory man talking thing that is 547 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 2: all pulp fiction, like talk doc talk talk talk talk talk. 548 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: Oh my god. I mean it's funny because a lot 549 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: of times, like the things that I love about Tarantino 550 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: are also the things that I hate, because it is 551 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 2: kind of lovely that at this time, like movies had 552 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 2: looser reins and could be much longer, and dialogue could 553 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 2: be longer because people's attention deafit sits and attention spans 554 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 2: hadn't been like mortally, I don't know, wounded wounded by 555 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 2: iPhones and the internet. But anyways, Quentin Tarantino haven't comeback. 556 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Just if Quentin Tarantino came out as trans. 557 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 2: Well, then I'm plugged in Mama, like move over which house? 558 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: This is a new tour we women, oh one hundred percent. 559 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 2: But the thing is, it has to be a trans name, 560 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 2: and therefore, what if it's just Tina, Well, like Quentin Tarantina. 561 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 2: Tarantina is really funny. Well, I was thinking of Q names, 562 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: and I'm thinking about just like trans names in general, 563 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 2: and how if he sorry, if she is trans, then 564 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 2: she has to for her name pick a Greek goddess, 565 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: a planet or an herb three joins or no, or 566 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 2: a literary character or a literary character. So her name 567 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: could be Quarrel, professor Quarrel, her ce names, her name 568 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 2: could be, her name could be are there any other Quendola? 569 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 2: There are no planets? Or Greek god, Queen Queen, Queen 570 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 2: Queen Tarantina. Well, okay, do you want to hear something hilarious? 571 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: Is so? 572 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 2: I obviously like my If you don't know my dead 573 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: name by now, you should be able to figure it 574 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 2: out by my social media handle. I have been thinking 575 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 2: about trying to figure out how to change my socially 576 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 2: social media handled to Frans Skuishka. I would never because 577 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: it's actually just two on the nose and two gimmicky. 578 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: But like he should be, she should be named. 579 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 3: Fuck. 580 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 2: I give miss Gendering Quina Gwendola Tarantina. 581 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: Gwendola. 582 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 2: Gwendola's really funny. Gwendola Tarantina is actually her new name. 583 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: Do you have a foot fetish? 584 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 2: No, I don't have a foot fetish, but I will 585 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 2: absolutely suck a clean foot if it's in my face, 586 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 2: I will, and I will do it without being asked. 587 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: You do you like having your toes suck. 588 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sometimes it's a little too, it's a little 589 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 2: less sexual and a little more ticklish. But I'm never 590 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 2: gonna say no, what about you? This is a really 591 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 2: great prompt. 592 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: But I don't have a foot fetish. But I do 593 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: have sort of a go to move, which is that 594 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: if I'm like laying down and someone is between my legs, 595 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: so to speak, doing something, I will almost oh and 596 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: if this person has a dick, I will almost always 597 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: reach my foot down, if not both feet to sort 598 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: of dig in. Give a foot job. Give either with 599 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: one foot sort of teasingly, or both feet and press 600 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: them together and create a little channel. 601 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 2: I've definitely given the suggestion of a foot job before, 602 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 2: but it but the feet, definitely. I think that feet 603 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 2: should be insects. And I think that if you are 604 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 2: deterred by feet or just body parts in general, like 605 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 2: I mean, just wash it, Just wash the foot and 606 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 2: eat it. 607 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: I just sometimes feel insecure about my feet because I 608 00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: get I get callouses. 609 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 2: Well, my foot are tore up, Mama, I'm having foot issues. 610 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 2: I have like bunyans, I have calluses, and because of 611 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 2: all the foot where I use their. 612 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: Scars, you gotta wiggle your big toe. 613 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 2: I got to wiggle my big toe. No, I have 614 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 2: to get one of those like full foot masts that 615 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 2: like like we're fish like eat off the top three 616 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: like layers of my skin. 617 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: That is terrifying to me. Do you think I could 618 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: do it? 619 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 2: Is that actually? Does that actually work? Ers that like 620 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 2: a fad a fad? Okay, then I'm going because my 621 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 2: feet are I mean, you've seen my feet. 622 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: I got a pedicure last weekend and they did not 623 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: go hard enough on my calluses. Oh oh, I gotta be, 624 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: I gotta be. 625 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 2: I gotta put like a leather belt between my teeth 626 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 2: and grip it. That's how I want to feel when 627 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 2: my Bunyan's when you're when when the lady at the 628 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 2: pedicurist is going at my and my calluses. 629 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to lose at least two layers of skin. 630 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to be like holding onto a scream 631 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 2: and not screaming. 632 00:35:59,239 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: You want to be scrump. 633 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 2: I want to be Gwendola Tarantina. There's no cure. We 634 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 2: are force yeah, Quentin Tarantino. I'm sure it's not the 635 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 2: first time we're force beming everybody. It's like the Iggy 636 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 2: Azalea music video. Oh when Quentin Tarantino gives huge chaser vibes, 637 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Well that's a little disrespectful to chasers. Honestly, Uh, 638 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 2: chasers don't deserve respect. Chasers don't deserve respect. But like 639 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 2: I'm saying, like even chasers have more humanity than Quentin Tarantino. 640 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 1: Well, that's why she's gonna transition. 641 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 2: I have previously told a story wherein I was sleeping 642 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 2: with someone who had a boyfriend. This is maybe the 643 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 2: fourth or fifth time I've been the other woman, and 644 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 2: I told the boyfriend's best friend that he was cheating 645 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 2: on him in an uberpool because we randomly were in 646 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 2: an uberpool together. That was pretty evil. But I love 647 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 2: revenge where they never know it was me, right, I 648 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 2: love it. 649 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: I want her to note tell Sircy, I want her 650 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: to notice me. I guess I got revenge because my 651 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: nemesis died. 652 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 2: Your nemesis died. 653 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: Although I had no hand in it. 654 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 2: I just schew my I the rather Oh no, i'm singing. 655 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: I thought you were singing this is a song. 656 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 2: I am No. I'm just saying I always complain about 657 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 2: you singing, and here I am singing. 658 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm gonna get my revenge on you. 659 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, hypocrisy who we know several people who we would 660 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 2: like to get mutual revenge on. 661 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: I think yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. Also, if there's 662 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: anyone out there who I have wronged and wants revenge on. 663 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 2: Me, like, go for it. In the words of Lanay 664 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 2: pull Up, pull Up, pull Up, I will absolutely gladly 665 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 2: fight you or also talk it out. I would love 666 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 2: to talk it out. And I'm serious, Like, if you 667 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 2: have a problem with me, I'm not aware of it 668 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 2: because I don't really read the Internet and I don't 669 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,760 Speaker 2: read criticisms of me slash. They honestly don't even Sometimes 670 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 2: I'll be talking to someone and we'll get into a 671 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 2: conversation about social media and people will be like, yeah, well, 672 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 2: I mean, like your gms are crazy, like people hate you, 673 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 2: and I'm like do they? I'm like do they? But 674 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 2: like I don't know because I don't read that. 675 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: Literally, I'm that's you're so lucky, Like people have to 676 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: move in the world. And now a clip from our 677 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: Patreon Become a patron at patreon dot com slash like 678 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: a Virgin for weekly bonus episodes and. 679 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 2: More Selling the OC. Yes, that's where we're starting today. 680 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we have both recently consumed the new second 681 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: season of Selling the OC. 682 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 2: I watch it, you watch I watch all of it. 683 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 2: It's I mean, you can watch all of it in 684 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 2: a single sitting. 685 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 1: It's I'm going to say something that I don't know 686 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: what if you will agree with it? Okay, I think 687 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: it has dethroned Selling Sunset. Wait, I think in I 688 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: think agree Selling Sunset as it currently is is not 689 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 1: as good as selling the OC. I agree it must 690 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: be acknowledged of course that selling Sunset at one point 691 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 1: was like God, to your television is the blueprint. But 692 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: now to me, the quality has dipped so low that 693 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: actually the bar to de throne it was pretty low. 694 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: I think what I identified as the issue is that, 695 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: so selling the OC doesn't have the kind of star 696 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: power that selling Sunset does because selling Sunset has all 697 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 1: of these people who have become like cultural icons race, right, 698 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: So selling Sunset has that star power, But selling OC 699 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: has such a such a captivating and cohesive ensemble people 700 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: of star power, yes, who are all interacting in a 701 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:17,320 Speaker 1: very actually tight plot line that is about kind of 702 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: one major thing which is like reputation and ethics and. 703 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 2: Like purity or the interpretation of it. 704 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: Yes, and and you know the sanctity of marriage, and 705 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: it must be said like based just on that being 706 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,879 Speaker 1: the storyline, it is very obvious that selling the OC 707 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: is incredibly conservative. 708 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,320 Speaker 2: And OC like Orange County, like those the people that 709 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 2: live there, they want us all dead and like. 710 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: And like Alexandra Jarvis is like like vocally like Trump supporter. 711 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 2: Having full full neo Nazi. 712 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: Rose Rose, like Robert F. Kenney Junior a lot. 713 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 2: So Rose is giving, like like she used to be 714 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 2: in rooms with Epstein. 715 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 1: Rose is giving. She used to kill small animals for 716 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: fun when she was a child. And that's why she's 717 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:21,280 Speaker 1: low key. My favorite character Rose because she is psychotic. 718 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 2: She's so weird and she has no expression in her 719 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 2: eyes at all. 720 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: Oh totally dead. 721 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 2: And she is always wearing the craziest most bimbo outfit. 722 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,839 Speaker 1: Crazy like she literally shows up to like the time 723 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: they went on the boat, she was wearing lingerie as 724 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: a bathing suit. Then later that night for dinner she 725 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: just wore a bra. And she's also worn just a 726 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,280 Speaker 1: broad to like showing wait wait, wait, the yellow outfit 727 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: that she wore to the office. I have to find it. 728 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: Alex Rose yellow outfits so crazy? 729 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,359 Speaker 2: Oh right, her name is Alex Rose, not Rose. It's 730 00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:02,479 Speaker 2: so weird. And Jarvis Jarvis and Rose Jarvis. This Jesus Christ, Wait, 731 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 2: what is this weird saggy panty? Like it looks like honestly, 732 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 2: like she's wearing a tablecloth. No, what it looks like 733 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,439 Speaker 2: is like it's a body suit. 734 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: And she didn't snap the buttons in the middle, just 735 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: let these. 736 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:17,839 Speaker 2: She was like, Oh, I just wanted to be as 737 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 2: short as possible. But she's all unhinged. 738 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: She's crazy. And I do respect Jarvis for this season 739 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: being like, I need a storyline, so what I'm going 740 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: to do is break up with my work bestie, my 741 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,279 Speaker 1: work wife. And that was very smart of her. I 742 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: do have to say, for some reason, Okay, I know 743 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't like Alex Hall, and I 744 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: will agree that I don't think she's like compelling. I 745 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: don't think she's like as compelling as a protagonist of 746 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: the show as she could be. But for some reason, 747 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: I got weirdly invested in the whole thing with her 748 00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: and Tyler when they kissed him, when they kissed. I 749 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 1: screamed into my pillow. Oh, because I was like, finally, 750 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: and I like want them to be together, even though 751 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: I know they're both bad people, Like he's he's disgusting. 752 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 2: He well, okay, here's the thing, is like I actually 753 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 2: don't so hot. I don't think he's hot. He's like 754 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,760 Speaker 2: kind of so hot. I don't find introverts hot. Really, 755 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 2: it's hard for me. 756 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: He's so tall. And then when he shut up to 757 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 1: that party in his underwear and you could see his 758 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: huge talk. 759 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 2: Go unattractive to me, the most disgusting boxer briefs I've 760 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 2: ever seen in my life. Love that you're not even 761 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 2: gonna spring for like some savage fentie. You fucking ugly? 762 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 2: I could not. Sorry, I know he's not actually ugly, 763 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 2: but I'm infuriated because I actually don't think he's like 764 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 2: I'm okay, of course I'm. 765 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,479 Speaker 1: Team Britney Snow let it be said. But he's ex wife. 766 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah. 767 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 2: Right, okay, okay, so Tyler being the kind of like 768 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 2: you know, golden goose of a divorcee that everyone is 769 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 2: now trying to gnaw on. It is literally everyone in 770 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 2: that office, Yes, is actually amazing, it's great TV, and 771 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 2: both seasons of the show have now been about how 772 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 2: everyone wants to fuck him, is fucking him, or could 773 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 2: be fucked and the fact that he is actually kind 774 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 2: of like I do believe he is actually really introverted 775 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 2: and is actually really bad at receiving all of this attention. 776 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 2: That doesn't make him any less of like a scummy man, 777 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 2: but I do think he's like wildly ill equipped for 778 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 2: the position he's been put in, funny enough, so that 779 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,320 Speaker 2: does make it all the more interesting. Selling the OSI 780 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 2: and Selling Sunset both have this like really really painful production, 781 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 2: like this forced production of a scene, Like every single 782 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,800 Speaker 2: scene is so so scripted. 783 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:47,439 Speaker 1: But it is so good. 784 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 2: It is it's good because you know that if you 785 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 2: tried to make them improvise, it would be worse because 786 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 2: they're not smart enough to improvise. 787 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 1: But it is like they are. I do feel I 788 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,880 Speaker 1: have always felt with both of these franchises, and like 789 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: reality TV in general, like we are getting such a 790 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 1: filtered version of the story, and I think we're selling 791 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:13,279 Speaker 1: the OC specifically, like they decided what the season was 792 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,839 Speaker 1: going to be about and like worked backwards from there. 793 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: So I always feel like what they're talking about is like, 794 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,759 Speaker 1: the emotion is real and the tension is real, it's 795 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,720 Speaker 1: just the specifics that are being either exaggerated or straight 796 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,800 Speaker 1: up lied about. Yeah, Like, I don't think that was 797 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: the first time that Hall and Tyler. 798 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 2: No fucking way unless there are motherfucking pilgrims, like please, 799 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 2: there's I mean, if they if that actually was their 800 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 2: first kiss, I would be so concerned for the state 801 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 2: of heterosexuality, like I am there already there is actually 802 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 2: no there's there's heterosexual people would be I mean, I'm 803 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 2: grateful that heterosexual people don't fuck like baggats, but if 804 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,319 Speaker 2: they did, society would collapse, but also that everyone would 805 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 2: be so much happier.